WHY DID JOHN CARPENTER HATE HALLOWEEN II? (The Halloween Franchise Part 2)
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- Опубликовано: 22 дек 2020
- Part 2 of the Halloween franchise retrospective. In 1984, John Carpenter publicly expressed his feelings on Director Rick Rosenthal’s 1981 sequel to his own classic movie, declaring it to be ‘An Abomination and a Horrible Movie.” Over the years, John Carpenter has never had any time for Halloween II, a movie generally regarded as one of the best movies in the franchise, and one of the best slashers of all time.
Therefore, we’re trying to answer the question: Why did John Carpenter dislike Halloween II? And does it still stand up as a sequel to one of the greatest horror movies of all time?
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FILM CLIPS USED:
Halloween (John Carpenter, 1978, Compass International Pictures)
Halloween II (Rick Rosenthal, 1981, Dino De Laurentiis Corporation)
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Tobe Hooper, 1974, Vortex)
The Fog (John Carpenter, 1980, Debra Hill Productions, AVCO Embassy)
Escape from New York (John Carpenter, 1981, AVCO Embassy)
The Nightmare isn’t Over: The Making of Halloween II (2012, Scream Factory)
Friday the 13th (Sean S Cunningham, 1980, Paramount Pictures)
Friday the 13th Part 2 (Steve Miner, 1981, Paramount Pictures)
Friday the 13th Part 3 (Steve Miner, 1982, Paramount Pictures)
Happy Birthday to Me (J Lee Thompson, 1981, Columbia Pictures)
The Burning (Tony Maylam, 1981, Miramax Films)
Perfect (James Bridges, 1985, Columbia Pictures)
Someone’s Watching Me! (John Carpenter, 1978, Warner Brothers)
Halloween: 25 Years of Terror (Stefan Hutchinson, 2006, Anchor Bay)
Halloween Trailer: 2018 (David Gordon Green, 2018, Universal, Blumhouse)
Cinema Showcase: John Carpenter (1984) - • Cinema Showcase profil...
Siskel and Ebert: Halloween II review (1981) - • Siskel & Ebert Review ...
Arena Cinema: John Carpenter and Halloween (31/01/1979) - • ARENA CINEMA - John Ca...
Room With a View: 432 Park Avenue - High Rise Building Footage - • Room With a View: 432 ...
MUSIC USED:
Piano Sonata No.14/Moonlight Sonata - Ludwig Van Beethoven
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I think he’s looking at it from directors point of view because although I favor Halloween 78; there’s just something about Halloween2 that stuck with me and gave me a little bit of fear.
Halloween 1 and Halloween 2 go together so well. I can't watch 1 without watching 2.
I've heard a lot of people say that. I've always fancied trying to get hold of The Sandman cut of H1 and H2, thats both films edited into one 3 hour movie.
@@MorbidMoonlight i would love to see that!! Brilliant.
Even without having seen it, I know that Jamie Lee Curtis' wig for H2 would be jarring af.
Theres so many inconsistencies between the two. I dont see how people view it as a good sequel. It's just bad.
Halloween 2 is a great sequel. I actually enjoy it more now than I do the original
I like the scene in Halloween 2 where Michael simply walks into a glass door and it totally shatters. At this point, he's done pretending to be human. The scene where he dies with Loomis is cool, too.
yes, i remember that glass door scene from the trailer back in the day. I always favored 2 over 1
Halloween II was the very first Halloween movie I ever saw. I was around 4 years old and at the time I did not know what the movie was called. All I could remember was Michael Myers, the mask, the Halloween music throughout the movie and the Mr Sandman music from the end credits. As an adult I had already seen other Halloween movies and remembered this movie because of the character. Later when I saw the movie again I loved it as much as I did as a kid. It quickly became my favourite in the series due to me always having the memories of watching it as a kid.
Halloween II was also my first. I was seven. Was over at a friend's house in October and their dad took us to the video store to pick a scary movie. We grabbed it because we liked the box art. I'd never seen anything like it. Ran home raving to my mother about how I just saw the coolest movie I'd ever seen, and being a fan of it herself, and seeing I wasn't scared by it, she allowed me to see the first. And that was the birth of my love for film.
Me too. My very first H movie. I was very young and didn't know anything about it. Couldn't believe what i was seeing when i saw that crazy creepy mask for the first time. Myers/the creepy music scared me so much that after viewing part II i couldn't even hear Mr sandman song anywhere else without freaking out lol. That fear would shoot right back haha
It's absolutely my favorite sequel out of them all. It's now special to me as an adult. OG will always be #1 tho
@LimosineAndPEETZA92 On the contrary, the first one blew me away and became one of my all time favourite films. A little bit different from your example because Halloween is superior to Halloween II, but Freddy’s Dead is a joke lol.
That "shape" is so fucking terrifying! I seen "Halloween II" in the theater back in the summer of 1981 - I was only 13 yrs old and was petrified with horror. Since I was underage at the time, my uncle and auntie took me. I'll never forget that night. I was so scared with a new Michael Myers terrorizing Laurie Strode in the hospital.
You seen it then?
@@andrewbrown5566 : Yes as real as I'm sitting here writing to you.
Halloween 2 was released on October 30, 1981...a week after the network premier of Halloween on NBC...I remember because, I too saw it (but as a 10 year old) in the theater after a week of begging my dad to take me to an R rated film. So we tried to go on opening night (Friday) but it was sold out, the line wrapping around the multiplex...we ended up going two days later on a Sunday during the day. I remember this vividly because it's the most terrified I've ever been in a theater LOL...I've seen every Halloween movie since, except Halloween 3, on opening day and been disappointed to varying degrees because they just don't measure up to those first two....Halloween 3 gets some props for at least being filmed in similar style and has the overall feeling of the first two and Halloween 2018 was a well made alternative Halloween sequel/storyline but the original 2 are still THE best in the franchise and probably should have ended the Michael Myers story.
Lol my uncle and auntie took me to jaws I was like 5 or six still can’t swim to this day
I love the first two films. The first is more about suspense and the second is more a focus on brutality.
This seems to be the route the new trilogy is going as well.
@@joshwilliams6517 don't compare them.
plasticweapon don’t tell me what to do
@@joshwilliams6517 new trilogy ? Not the rob zombie obviously even though I liked his first movie. Then there's the new Halloween 2018 but that starts after 78. Is that what your referring too?
kennel878Xx no the new films, there is another one releasing this year. Halloween Ends
I like Halloween II because the hospital is such a real-life setting, I like the characters in the hospital, it has that "Halloween night" kind of feel to it.
I was in shock after watching these back to back. One of the most exhilarating and frightening experiences of my youth.
I remember ducking behind a pillow for kill scenes. Let’s hear it for the killer piano keyboard parts !!!!!
Best part was him walking after strode n she's outside trying to get in n he walks threw the glass door the music n everything goes with it n he get shot sets back up n slits the cops throat n stands back up n starts walking toward them again...THATS WHAT GOT ME THE BEST PART OF THE MOVIE GAVE ME CHILLS I LOVED IT
I love Halloween 2. It’s my favorite of the Halloween sequels (aside from H3 which doesn’t have Myers). It flows so well when paired with the original. I really like how it literally picks up exactly where H1 ends. Obviously it’s not the masterpiece that the original is, but it does do a lot of things right and has many memorable scenes.
It's an entertaining film in its own right, but I can totally see why John Carpenter didn't like it as a sequel, even though it feels 'faithful', tonally, to the original. In a way, thought, it just makes you realise how special H1 is, and how much John Carpenter brought to that film, and how it's so much more than 'just a slasher film.'
@@MorbidMoonlight as far as I’m concerned the story ends at 2. The rest suck. 3 was the smart direction to go in but they failed miserably because it was so bad.
@@mem1701movies I like 1,2 and H20.
@@chriswilson1968 I like the way Laurie acted in H20... didn’t like how Michael just hung out somewhere for 20 years then gets a brand new mask and brand new coveralls (like a uniform). The first 2 movies made sense that way... none of the others do.
Part 1,2,3. Which part 4 should really be part 3. Part 4 is good, Jamie Lloyd and Loomis makes the movie pretty much for me. Just hate the masks smh. 6 is dope as well.
I don’t know why John criticised Rick Rosenthal’s directing of Halloween 2! Halloween 2 was the perfect combination to gore and suspense. It didn’t overdo it on the gore but had enough to satisfy the blood thirsty fans. The hospital setting was so eerie
i do
I feel bad for Rick Rosenthal. He seemed to have great reverence for Carpenter and wanted to stick to the quiet, haunting, slow stalker elements of the original. Ironically that got him in trouble lol
I think H2 was always going to be a bit of a poisoned chalice. By rights, it should have been Tommy Lee Wallace directing, but didn't want to just churn out a cynical sequel. I'm sure there could have been worse directors, but I've always thought, just from hearing him talk about it, that Rick Rosenthal never once really connected with Halloween 2 in any meaningful way, which means that even though H2 looks and sounds great, a lot of it feels a bit hollow and uninspired.
I just find it ironic that he was trying to make a spiritual follow up to John’s first film, but John elbowed him out of the room and added slasher bloody goodness and a plot twist that would dominate the remainder of the series. Carpenter is very much responsible for where the series went narratively. So in a sense he damned his property without realizing it lol
Well, the extra gore scenes were Carpenter's additions to his own script, not to a film he had nothing to do with. I think it's because RR's direction was a lot flatter than JC would have liked. The gore was just to stick some memorable money shots into an otherwise pretty tepid movie.
He also wasn't so much damming a property, because Carpenter was deliberately ending the story in H2, so we can't blame him for the direction of the sequels. He was never setting up an ongoing plot thread.
@@MorbidMoonlight oh I never meant Carpenter did it intentionally, merely finding the irony that, in his attempt to cleanly finish off the story, he gave a nugget for Akkad to exploit for the next 5 Myers films.
Honestly the reshoots are the closest to the feel of the original movie in my opinion. For the longest time I never knew Carpenter shot that stuff.
To be honest I cannot watch Halloween 2018 without pretending that they made Halloween 2 cannon. It does not make sense that she would be that prepared for Michael's return after so many years just after the first one. Traumatized... yes. Insanely prepared survivalist... no. He needed to come back again to make Halloween 2018 make any real sense. Why is nobody talking about this?
Totally agree. Totally generic clichéd characterisation, where it just seems like a crap photocopy of Terminator 2's Sarah Connor, that doesn't remotely fit the character of Laurie.
Yep!
Honestly I would've liked to have seen what the sequel would've felt like had they gone with it being cannon to H2. But perhaps they wanted to avoid too many parallels to H20.
This paranoid Laurie would make a lot more sense if h2 was Canon in that timeline
They did it so much better in H20
I have thought the exact same thing. The only reason Laurie would be so hard core in 2018 is if Michael had hunted her down more than once. Taking Halloween 2 out of the equation makes no sense at all
Halloween 2 is my favorite movie of all time. It deserves to be put in the same category with sequels like Aliens, T2 or The Godfather Part 2
Whole heartedly agree
No. Not at all. It doesnt hold a candle to the original.
@@loganmason4905
Just watched them both consecutively, Halloween II is definitely more exciting. Where as the original is slower paced. Even the soundtrack is enhanced in the film. Mr. Sandman was a nice touch 🎃
@@byronherrera777 Nope. Nothing is enhanced from the first. The music is annoying to listen to. The mass majority of the soundtrack is essentially the same tracks from the first. Just made annoying and lacking in any form of suspense or creepiness.
@LIQUID FX some of us actually have an attention span, the godfather is objectively the best movie of all time
Halloween 2, like Halloween 1 is an absolute masterpiece.
I honestly think it's one of the best horror sequels ever. Given how it literally picks up where Halloween left off, I think of Halloween 2 as the second half of one big movie. In my opinion it's best viewed immediately after watching Halloween 1 since that has so much build-up to the more violent moments.
Agreed
It was a perfect followup, Part 3 was the real mistake of the original series.
It's not great. I've never liked it. The characters are not developed and it just feels off.
Halloween 3 is not a bad movie is just okay and it's different
@@nadirafasya6320 I believe if Halloween III was just called Season of the Witch and had no connection, it would be remembered more fondly today
Curtis was paid $8,000 for her role in the first one, then $100,000 for part two. Not sure why I felt the need to say this, but there you go.
If that's true, that's a very cool fact. Just shows you how much Halloween was a total passion project, compared to Halloween 2 being just a purely commercial effort.
@@MorbidMoonlight Indeed! And apparently she also had to mostly buy her own wardrobe for the first film. Crazy.
Yea the second film also had a 2.5 mil dollar budget compared to 300,000. Can’t pay one actress a third of your budget
@@MorbidMoonlight I don't know if paying actors means it is a purely commercial effort.
Never understood it myself, thought it was a good sequel. The other ones after it were another story, especially the masks.
Same here, sir👍 The others??....... NAH!!
I agree i thought they should have took Halloween 2018 of of the second Halloween 2 because it took iff the same night it still would have been 40 years later and it wasjust as creepy and suspencful as the first they could have done it that way
Carpenter said his original vision was to use the "Halloween" moniker but to attach different stories with it. He never wanted to create a slasher franchise. That's why people feel so strongly when he gets to H3. That film is closer to the vision he had for the franchise.
Yes.. The Season of the Witch needs to be explored, along with other antagonists for the Halloween Universe.
I don't think he really had a vision for a franchise until it became clear that the studio would make it into one. If it were all up to him, it would have been one Halloween movie and that's it.
@@axebomber2108 Great point and so spot on.
Basically he wanted to do what american horror story does. An anthology of different stories which I would have thought was great as halloween films would have been known as a collection rathe than associated with michael myers. Let's be honest everything after the 2nd halloween film was garbage in comparison. So he Coul have done that and it would have had no impact on michael myers/halloween 1&2 legacy. It would have carried on with halloween 3 then different stories and he could have linked them all together such as the masks causing all the chaos etc.
Looking back, Michael got really lucky that his sister was in Haddenfield. What would he have done if Laurie was living in another state or country?
Lol😂 Back then, dude, there was no Google to look her up. No social media platform either. He would've been screwed
Just picturing his rising his hands in disappointment outside of the house she was supposed to live in 🤣
She did move to California in H20. He went on a road trip, remember? lol
@@c.costanza1145 found her in an AOL chatroom
Well according the current Halloween movies, Michael wasn’t even after Laurie specifically- she just happened to be around .. meh
This was a great video. Halloween II (1981) is still my favorite sequel 40 plus years later.
The sequels after part 3 make this look like an Oscar winner
Halloween 2 is my all-time favorite horror movie, I absolutely love it! However, I do think it's even better when you watch it directly after the original.
Halloween 2 is in my opinion, slightly under the original. I remember watching it as a kid and it creeped me out. I still get that same vibe. For many years I actually favored it over the original before changing my mind recently. It’s a great sequel for sure, but I understand where carpenter is coming from since he made the original.
This was my exact experience with this series. Loved part 2 the most as a kid and watched it more than the original but I have in recent years come to appreciate the genius of part 1 more.
Halloween 2 was brilliant and very entertaining. John Carpenter is a genius and no one denies his brilliance. He's responsible for the creation of Friday the 13th and countless sequels. After the immense success of H1, the producers of Friday clearly thought their audience wanted to be entertained with more graphic murders. And they succeeded. I feel that the success of Friday created the need/expectation for Halloween 2 to move towards more graphic murders. They even re-shot some of the murder scenes because they thought they weren't graphic enough. I thought Dick Warlock was brilliant as Michael Myers. Although I am a confessed Halloween junkie - after Halloween 2 things have gone downhill. When you go to a restaurant hungry, the first steak is great, but if you eat a second and third one, and they offer you the fourth, the last thing you want to see is a steak.
Yes! Great point. The more sequels, the less quality.
He's not responsible for Friday the 13th. Plenty of other Giallo films and Psycho were essential influences for Friday the 13th. Also Friday the 13th is responsible for some of the best Slashers of all time in addition to Halloween.
@El Tomate Mutante Texas Chainsaw Massacre ain’t a slasher, and Black Christmas feels nothing like Friday the 13th at all. There’s more similarities between Jaws and Friday the 13th than Black Christmas and Friday the 13th.
When I was a kid, we got HBO illegally through our VCR's cable box feature, and I remember watching Halloween 2 over and over again. A few years later when we went camping, the campground had a hot tub next to the swimming pool and I was TERRIFIED to get in it because I thought it would boil my face off.
This movie and The Fog are two of my fave horror films to this day... They can both make me still feel like a scared kid again--which I love, of course :)
Ingrid Fong-Daley Halloween 2 is actually my all time favorite horror movie. I remember watching both Halloween 2 and The Fog, as a lil' boy, and they both absolutely terrified me! Like you, I also enjoyed it. 😁
@@justafanofnerdculture7602 I never thought of myself as being a big horror fan, but I've realised in the last few years how much 'scary movies' were really a big part of my childhood and how really well I knew/loved them. For some reason, I thought I had to present more 'goth' to qualify... which makes no sense, but there it is. :)
@@ingridfong-daley5899 I'm a huge horror movie junkie and it's been that way since I was a kid. I do understand what you mean though, Ma'am.
@@justafanofnerdculture7602 Oh noooooo!!! I'm a "M'am!" :) My young life feels officially 'over'.
@@ingridfong-daley5899 Oh, no! Your young life isn't officially over at all, young lady. Did you see what I did there? 😄
One of my all-time favorite horror films! Really enjoyed this video, thanks for doing it!
Strange. I love H2, and it seems like everyone I know does, and also these comments favor it.
I think it’s a trendy RUclips thing to crap on it since the 2018 retcon. Everyone I know loves H2.
Yeah, I honestly find it overrated. I like certain slasher films from this time period, but unfortunately they are overshadowed by Halloween 2 and the first Friday the 13th movie, which I don't like. I think the first Halloween is excellent and the best part of it is the ending, which Halloween 2 pretty much ruins.
I love part 2. The only thing personally I would fix is that a bit less of the film take place in the hospital, and more on deserted, quiet dark streets and maybe even have Michael creep around near the edge of some parks. Feels strange to me how the hospital is so empty of patients and staff
Ghost stories aren’t supposed to have upbeat endings where everything gets resolved. That’s why the first Halloween works well as a stand-alone film. Michael’s physical body is gone but his spirit still lingers over Haddonfield to haunt them every year on the same day. It gives off a spooky aura that stays with you.
Thank you! No one says that Texas Chainsaw Massacre requires a sequel (even those who like TCM 2), but apparently it’s okay when Halloween does it. Like comparing it to Friday the 13th and A Nightmare on Elm Street, those series are way more lore heavy, especially with Friday the 13th, which means that those have way more potential for sequels. Halloween feels way more like a singular vision, a one and done story.
I saw Halloween 2 when I was 10 years old before I saw Halloween and it scared the fool out of me. I love all of the Halloween movies.
I saw H1 and H2 in theaters. I never heard as much screaming in my theater for H2 since the release of Jaws. I can still hear those screams today when Laurie is in the parking lot trying to get back into the hospital and Myers is walking towards her. That really unnerved audiences in its day and still gives me goosebumps because of that theatrical experience.
The sister angle felt to me like another take on fate. In short Michael looses his life going after someone who ultimately turns out to be his sister, yet neither knows about it. Now if that is not the ultimate irony to their fates, I don't know what is.
I think too much gets made over that scene with Loomis and his theory of intent since he's clearly desperate to find Michael and rationalize his motivations. He's already chased a kid into the street with a gun that got him killed. And he proceeds to blow out the deputy's windshield demanding that they be taken to the hospital. His mental well being is off the charts which actually leads to his and Michaels deaths. So to take his statement in the car as a grounded revelation is stretching it a bit.
Thats further cemented by the hospital scene where Laurie calls out Michael's name, which stops him in his tracks with total surprise. He looks at her as if to suggest, " You know me?" So he's clearly not hunting her knowing what Loomis suggested. He was hurt by her earlier that night and wants to get her back. Thats WHY what Loomis says feels so pointless. Because it really was aimless speculation and not truth. Thematically it just played into another aspect of fate which beautifully ties both films together. Great video!
That's a really interesting, eloquent, beautifully written comment.
There is something thats worth pointing out, though, which is that Dr Loomis isn't the one that brings up the brother-sister thing: it's Nurse Marion that tells him about it, so it's not a case of him cooking up this idea.
My point was more that it just feels kind of tracked on.
However, its totally the case that Dr Loomis is basically unhinged by the end of H2.
Otherwise, great post, and thanks for watching! 👍
@@MorbidMoonlight Thanks so much for the kind words! Yes, Marion Chambers gives Loomis the information regarding their relationship and why it was hidden to protect the families. But Loomis weaves the motive from that, which is strictly speculative. That final scene in the hospital really sums that up nicely, because you can see Michael is completely bewildered when Laurie calls him out by name.
Clearly the director wanted his character to illustrate some surprise in realizing this person whom he was about to kill actually knew his name. So if his motive was to kill a known sister through an association, he would have no reason to pause since he didn't hesitate when his first sister called out his name. He stabbed her to death without hesitation. So why hesitate here? Its because he was unaware, which debunks Loomis' last rationale.
I think Loomis might even understand this at the end which is why he has to take his life with Myers to end the killing.
@@Playitstraight44 So, since I completely disagree with your take on why Michael is even in the hospital in the first place. If there is no connection between Michael and Laurie and he's just trying to seal the deal with her basically....how does he even know she's at the hospital to begin with? He doesn't know the ambulance picked her up, he doesn't know she's at the hospital, he's off at the old peoples' house stealing a knife and killing a teenage girl next door with it at that time.
My basic reasoning is he has to have some kind of connection and motivation to know she's at the hospital and then to even go to the hospital.
As to that pause, when he's chasing Jamie in H4 he has a similar pause when Jamie calls him uncle. I think it's Michael having a small touch of humanity left, for a fleeting moment, before going back to doing what he was set out to do. In both movies/cases.
@@sirmang9032 He knows she's at the hospital because he bumps into a kid with a jam box blaring the news about the incident and they say she's been taken to Haddonfield memorial.
He does exactly in H2 what he did in the first film which are random killings. He leaves the house with Laurie in it to take a knife from the Elrods. He decides not to kill them even though Mrs. Elrod is directly in front of him with her back turned. But he's happy to kill the other girl as she steps out hollering for the Elrods.
There's also a little piece people forget about regarding that exchange between the nurse and Loomis.
Laurie was adopted and her identity was sealed so that even Loomis wouldn't know who she was. So why would Michael? It was all about fate, not some working knowledge that he could use as a motive. She was two when he was committed. And their parents died two years after he was committed.
And lets also remember both Myers and Loomis DIE at the end. No one including Carpenter wanted his connection with Laurie morphed into where other writers took it. That was never the intention. So allot of the complaints should be leveled at the far inferior films that tried to make more out of it than what was intended.
@@Playitstraight44 Well in the TV reshoots of Halloween, they show Laurie being taken to see Michael at the asylum. So there is that. Carpenter made it so it was obvious they were brother and sister.
I will agree on the trash that came out after Season of the Witch. Halloween II was supposed to finish the entire story arc of Michael as that was Carpenters intention. Mostly because he didn't even see there needing to be a sequel to begin with and didn't want to leave anything open for anything further. Everything after, with Michael, is strictly on Akkad for milking that cash cow as far as he possibly could.
I actually LOVE H2. It still was a great film IMO. Having them be siblings wasn't the greatest idea. I admit. But 2 me it didn't take away from the overall feel of the film.
I really like Halloween 2 a lot myself, I'm just fascinated that John Carpenter openly admits to hating it, hence the video.
@@MorbidMoonlight
Intriguing indeed 🤔
Agree. I personally never had a problem with the siblings thing. I also like that scene with the weird flashback that Laurie has with the quick snippets of blood dripping and Michael as a kid turns to look at her sitting in the chair by a window in smiths grove sanitarium.
Not sure how else you explain why he keeps coming after her if they aren't related.
@@pepinopolice6928
It was explained that he really wasn't coming after Laurie. She just happened to be in wrong place at that particular time. And in Halloween Kills Dr Sartain was obsessed with Myers. He actually brought Michael to Laurie Strode. So no, Michael just Kills whomever is in his way for apparently no reason other than being pure evil.
Someone should try to do a time summary on Halloween 1 & 2 because that seems like an awfully long damn night.
H2 is one of the best sequels ever made, from the opening credits, to the more terrifying music, the more brutality, picking up from the original and idk about y'all but seeing him walk through a glass door was one of the best scenes I ever witnessed... great movie to me and I watch it faithfully every Halloween...
There are some cool Michael moments in H2 for sure. Him smashing through the door to get to Laurie and Dr Loomis in the operating room is my personal favourite.
@@MorbidMoonlight a definite favorite of mines because at the time we didn't know if he was a supernatural force or a regular pissed off guy but H2 definitely had alot of great moments in my opinion
I can think of 10 horror sequels that are better
Really surprised you only have 913 subs. The editing is so top notch and so is your analysis. Subbed!
Considering the quality of later sequels, Carpenter is also right :P
Not to Halloween 3 and 4 though.
Halloween 4 and H20 was better than this movie
@@thomasffrench3639 You're crazy!!! Halloween 2 is the best film in my opinion.
Halloween 2 RULES !!! I even love its soundtrack. The fact the recently released 4K blu rays of 2021 of the Halloween movies showed that getting a copy of Halloween 1 was easy to do while Halloween 2 was difficult because it was either sold out or slow in shipping shows it demand. Laughable that Halloween Kills does the retcon of Halloween 2 but immediately takes its story back to Haddonfield Memorial Hospital which all had lame scenes compared to what happened in Halloween 2.
Them being siblings was good. He still personified an evil shape even with a motive. It all still fits perfectly. Even with the new Halloween movies, they should have kept it this way and made it fit. This movie has flaws, but it was perfect in its own way.
But Michael having no motive whatsoever would really drive home the idea of him being evil personified.
I'm personally glad the new timeline got rid of the brother-sister dynamic.
@@devinrupp Same. I really didn’t like that Evil personified had a sibling.
@@MrParkerman6 you okay, bud?
@@MrParkerman6 Chill buddy, it's a movie.
And to answer your point the opening proved that Michael WAS pure evil. He came from a good home, he was only six years old.
Yeah, I'm with Carpenter on this one. Halloween didn't grow on me until later, but the one thing I've loved from the beginning was the ending, and the existence kinda ruins it for me. I think that's why I'm harder on Halloween 2 more than most people, because it took my favorite part of the first movie, which was the ending. I also did not grow up with either film, so I don't have nostalgia blinding me for Halloween 2. I find it hard to believe that people like the Halloween franchise (not the first movie) but shit on the Friday the 13th movies, when Friday the 13th parts 4 and 6 (and even part 2) outshine all the Myers sequels in the franchise.
I've always came to an agreement that, Carpenter not working with Yablans on 2 picture deal, by doing The Fog and Halloween II was his fuck up. All Carpenter had to do was do the 2 picture deal with Yablans and he was done. All in a though, I enjoy this sequel, this and the original are the best out of the series.
Halloween 2 is a great sequel. I still watch it every time it’s in. It has a very creepy tone throughout. Halloween 2018 and Kills simply cannot capture the tone of the first 2 Halloween movies
Halloween 2018 came close in a handful of scenes, but it still ironically ended up being full of easter eggs and homages to all of the other Halloween films. Even though it desperately tries to ignore they ever happened in its continuity.
I agree , I have had no desire to watch any of the sequels after # 3
@@LordMalice6d9 eh 2018 was just alright
I still like .. H2.... but he has to take some of the blame since he co-wrote the screenplay.
I don't think it's a case of blame: JC isn't slagging off other people's work, he just didn't like that Halloween 2 ever got made in the first place, and in hindsight, as someone who prided himself on his filmmaking craft, he was obviously very unhappy about the finished product. I'm sure he'd be the first one to take all the blame for Halloween 2 sucking, whether we agree with him or not.
He takes the blame for story developments but I think Carpenter thinks he could have took the script and made the movie scarier. Atmosphere and suspense comes down to the director
It's weird to me that JC didn't just bite the bullet, and actually direct H2, although I can see why he didn't want to.
The michael myers merch sold like hotcakes. The vhs of halloween sold. nbc even aired it and paid for extra scenes. Michael Myers became too much of a hoysehold name when halloween 1 was supposed to be the only movie with him. Hence his loud breathong at the end. It was the story of THE SHAPE AKA THE BOOGEYMAN. Halloween III was supposed to really be HALLOWEEN II the franchise was supposed to be an anthology series. The studio wanted myers as part ii and a direct sequal. Carpenter was tooooo busy to direct it. I thinknhe had the fog, the thing, escape from new york, christine all going on under him. It was his decision to tie myers and laurie's connection. Halloween II is one of the greatest sequals ever. I believe he hates it because it ruined his planned anthogy series he initially wanted
@@alexmelendez6732 he also didn't want to continue it. If you look at all his movies he's only done one sequal for his film and it sucked
23:18 - I picked up on Ben Tramer's death when I saw H2 in the theater. Great pathos in the writing there. To savagely kill off one tender thought from the first film.
Halloween 2 scared me so much as a kid that I was scared to be in a hospital cause I thought they were all empty like in the movie and he would be somewhere in the hospital. The ending where is he stalking her slowly is fucking scary as hell! The music in this one also scared me.....Ah shit....the whole fucking thing scared me as a kid and I have had nightmares about Michael Myers since the first time I saw it as a kid of 10 yrs old....Im 45 yrs old now and I still have nightmares about him periodically. LMAO I thought that Halloween 1 and 2 were the scariest in the whole franchise. I liked Rob Zombies take on the Halloween movies even though alot of people did not. I hope these last 2 that are coming out will be just as good or better then the 2018
What? Its one of the most underrated horror movies ever. If it wasn’t a sequel it would probably be regarded as a horror classic
Great video. Keep up the good work.
Because it was better than the original. He should actually be proud of that since he wrote it.
Great Video! Very well told.
First horror film I watched, and it imprinted on me. Absolutely love this sequel.
Do you think John Carpenter was right to criticise HALLOWEEN II, or was he being overly protective of his original vision?
Overly protective by far!! To me the 1st movie felt incomplete because it just ended...... Like what? Wait a minute? That's it?
See, to me, that 'He could be out there anywhere' ending to the original Halloween is absolutely perfect as is, but I guess maybe if you wanted things wrapped up neatly, H2 certainly tidied things up.
@@MorbidMoonlight I'll say it did. By killing just about everyone LoL! No matter because the new movie will be pretty good IMO
They should’ve kept him mysterious like the first one the first movie ending freaked me out because he could be anywhere especially how u hear him breathing at the end
Carpenter has always been a crotchety old soul. He often doesn’t make a lot of sense. He has made some great flicks and does great soundtracks,. That can’t be denied. But John just needs to relax a bit.
Personally, I prefer the AMC cut of Halloween II. It feels more like Halloween I (Far less gore and a more cohesive story). However, I DO prefer the score for Halloween II; it is the best of the main series (Season of the Witch has the best Carpenter score).
I watched first one at home. Them went see Halloween 2 the next day .Watching both back to back is best and works better than seeing them separately. Ironically being so different but still working together to continue the chaos of Haddonfield. I new that town was no good 🤪
Not enough people talk about murdering that innocent kid with a speeding cop car enough. Honestly perplexed as to why this is in the movie.
Halloween 2 is one of my favorite Halloween movies I love how u can go from 1 straight on too 2 an it fills like one long film. There's only a few things I dislike about it like how they decided to use more blood an gore instead of having Michael stalk the shadows and build tension the second the family ties. Now at first it didn't bother me that much at least not when I was a kid but as I got older an realized that Michale Myers is way more scary when he chooses victims at random when there is no reason he just dose these horrible things just to do them because he can that's way more tarifying than doing it because it's his sister
no sense doing the exact same thing twice.
Part 3 was extremely underrated
Season of the witch
It's better than Escape From L.A.
WAY BETTER! Halloween 1,2 and 3 were good movies and “The FOG” was pretty bone chilling
@@MrParkerman6 What are you smoking?
@@botz77 I wonder myself. A movie made on a $50 million budget and only made back half of its budget says a lot. Lol
@@a.b.s_productions Escape From LA was a disaster. Not even campy fun, just stupid and cheap looking. Art is subjective of course, but that guy's opinion seems insane to me. He probably hates They Live too.
@@botz77 I watched “Escape From LA about a week ago and it was just awful and not even interesting. “They Live” was a good campy movie. The fight scene to this day makes me laugh.
I really like Halloween 2.I thought it was very atmospheric and the characters were interesting (didn't really care for the Rob zombie remakes).
Great video!❤
Holoween 2 one of my favorite sequels ever made
Loved Halloween II. In some ways it's even better than the original
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It looks like The Joker forgot something! 6:47
I like 2 except for a few continuity errors in the beginning such as Michael being shot 7 tunes and going up a ramp and falling off the front balcony. Plus Loomis looked surprised when he got downstairs.
This one was my favorite for a long time because it was the first film in the series I ever watched. I was a kid and snuck downstairs when my mom was watching it and she was screaming like she was on fire. Seeing something solicit that kind of reaction from my mom forever engrained in me a love for horror movies. As I got older, Halloween definitely became my favorite but always have a sweet spot for Halloween II.
03:30 Completely disagree simply due to the fact that the movie ended with Michael Myers disappearing from the lawn. Not saying he had to make Halloween II because of that but it left the door WIDE open for a sequel.
Where did you get the cool alternate posters for the Halloween movies from? The Halloween for ones in specific, they are badass
It was a great sequel. It had all the atmosphere of the first film.
It really didn't.
@@TheJamie6666 Yes Jamie it did.
@@ianplunkett8013 Erm I don’t think so...Halloween II is terrible.
@@TheJamie6666 Jamie...No..it is not.
@@ianplunkett8013 I agree with Jamie, it really doesn't. It tries to, and does a better job than the other sequels do, but it falls short. John Carpenters Halloween is chock full of atmosphere, Halloween II falls flat and is hampered by cliche characters and campiness.
HALLOWEEN 2 IS MY FAVORITE HALLOWEEN MOVIE OF ALL TIME AND MY FAVORITE HALLOWEEN OUT OF ALL THE HALLOWEEN'S 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Only gripe about the sequel is that they change the story from michael now being related to laurie strode
Outside of the second film being a lot more violent the two films are both great.
I don’t like how they got a different guy to play Myers as he was shorter and his rounded face changed the mask. He walked like a zombie but I took it that after being shot he basically became one.
I think Michael Myers in Halloween 2 is the best one, yea he walked slower but he was much smoother and it made him much more creepy, especially when Mike is walking down the stairs, that's the best and scariest shot of Michael Myers
@@MikeLowery1982 that’s why I think he became a zombie. But he was shorter and the face was rounder and the mask looked like Shatner as opposed to the first. I do like 2 despite some flaws and think the story ends there.
The mask was a mess because in the first movie the guy kept putting the mask in his pocket between takes
he was shorter by 1 inch
Warlock is the best Myers hands down. The mask looks the best on his body shape. It's perfect.
"Halloween 3: Season of the witch" has an advert for Halloween 3 staring Michale Myers on the TV in the bar....... So how can the silver shamrock masks in Halloween Kills be connected to the storyline of season of the witch?
Just a pointless bit of fan service, I'm guessing
I think its a nod to suggest that there is a Halloween 'Universe'.
To this day Halloween 2 is the only movie that has given me nightmares. I love that movie so much.
The fact that the new trilogy ignored it made me instantly hate it, then I saw Halloween Kills and was like.........WOW this is garbage! I feel like this franchise is over. Really liked Rob Zombie's remake but kinda went a little too out there with the sequel.
See. I feel the point that the Shape and Laurie are brother and sister has to be made because you have to give motivation for Michael to even go to the hospital in the first place. If he's just the embodiment of evil, as the first movie was playing to, he has no reason to continue to go after Laurie. He just goes on to different people and whomever is available. As we saw in Halloween 2018, it was the doctor who had to lead Michael to Laurie as Michael on his own wasn't just trying to go after Laurie, because he had no reason to do so based on the universe Halloween 2018 was running with.
I think this one detail completely changes the entire experience of watching part 1. Part 1 on its own is a perfect movie in my opinion. The Shape is just the embodiment of evil and the ending makes it that evil cannot be stopped and it can be anywhere and everywhere at the same time. Once you throw in this familial connection then you go from the Shape to humanizing Michael. And once you humanize Michael it just becomes a typical cliche slasher. The first film is still great, it just loses something once you give Michael motivation. H'e's no longer the Shape, he's no longer the embodiment of evil...he's just a man trying to kill his sisters. Nothing more, nothing less.
You don't need that motive, because then it leaves the enormous plot hole of "How the hell did Michael Myers know about the Strodes in the first place?"
You know what the motive was? Laurie went to Michael's house. There, thats all you need. After all, Michael is clinically insane.....crazy doesn't need much of a motive
@@Excremental_Discharge This is why I believe John Carpenter said he liked Season of the Witch more than part two, it avoided the plot holes by not making it about MM, it was about Halloween season, like a horror movie version of the Twilight Zone, different stories every time
@@adrian72300 there's A LOT of people who have this dumb mentality that John Carpenter was hands-on with every Michael Myers movie and that he hated Season of the Witch.
I seriously don't know how people live with themselves when they think that Resurrection is better than Season of the Witch
@@Excremental_Discharge Yea, a popular franchise is it's own worst enemy, Star Wars was never the same after the original '77 movie, why? because they made it about one family that created swiss cheese plot holes in the storyline, watching John Carpenter in this interview is priceless, he's conveying his artistic motivations were not met in part two
@@Excremental_Discharge See, he knows who Laurie is because she shows up at his house, so he follows her after to find out where she is. He then is introduced to Annie and lucky for him, she's just across the street. Then Linda and Bob show up across the street. Everyone in H78 goes straight to him, he doesn't seek anyone out.
H2 he is gone from the front yard after Loomis shoots him. He could be anywhere. He doesn't follow the ambulance to the hospital so he would have no way to know where Laurie is or if she even went to the hospital. He's off in the neighborhood killing some girl who's on the phone hearing about the murders after he stole the knife from the old couple.
Basically, he turned into a guy who targeted people out of random chance that came to him to methodically stalking Laurie to the hospital. Without even knowing she was taken there in the first place.
I think H2018 conveys that entire message well as he doesn't escape just to go find Laurie. He is brought to Laurie.
I feel like Halloween 2 isn't necessarily a bad standalone film, but it's a poor sequel to Halloween 1, it largely torpedos what made 1 so great. The original was basically a modernization of the boogeyman - Michael having no real motive (beyond seeing Laurie drop off a key) was what made it scarier, the events felt like they could happen to anyone. He worked in the shadows creating true suspense, and why the ending where it cuts to different shadowed corridors and what not works so well. Halloween 2 is a fine slasher movie but ruins the original Michael as a character and what made him so terrifying - this is down to poor writing and Carpenter has acknowledged that. This twist also was detrimental to all the sequels that followed except for 2018, the franchise wrote itself into a corner by having to constantly return to a familial link.
But every time the Halloween franchise finds itself in a corner, it turns another corner. Lots of branches on this freaky old tree.
I loved Halloween 2 but I understand the complaints about making Michael Lauries brother out to kill her. The problem is, you cannot keep making Halloween sequels without trying to look into Michaels backstory and giving him some type of motive - as soon as you give him a motive you hurt the mystique of his character.
Halloween just doesn’t work as a long term series . Halloween 2018 and Kills have proved this once again
@@billsimms2511 Good points. Halloween '78 should have been a one and done
Well-said. This is what casual Halloween viewers miss when Halloween "purists" argue for kepping Michael's mystique.
@@ButterCookie1984 I casually viewed both Halloweens, and believe in keeping the mystique of Michael Myers. You're painting with a broad stroke, dumb dumb
It's the 2nd best Halloween and growing up in the 80s you watched Parr 1 and 2 and that gave you one whole movie. Of course the O G 78 film is better but I have always loved H2 .
Halloween II just ruins the mystique of Michael Myers. For one, he becomes flesh n blood with clear (albeit sinister) motivations. He no longer becomes a threat to anyone, just those related to one specific target. That's the least of the film's flaws though. The real problem is with its newly revealed timeline and the lack of logic to force fit those pieces. If he was after Laurie because he knew that was his sister, why even bother Annie or Lynda? Why not just stalk Laurie the entire night. How was Michael ever able to ascertain her whereabouts 15 years removed from Haddonfield, including finding sealed adoption records, how would he have known she was adopted? How would he have known that was her when walking up to the door to drop off the key? If Michael was assigned to Loomis in 1964, then HOW THE HELL did he not become aware of the baby sister? Were his parents killed, before he was assigned to the case? News papers definitely would have covered the deaths of Haddonfield's most notorious family heads, so unless there was some conspiracy to withhold that information about baby sister from the press, Loomis should have known about her. Sure some of these could be explained, but others not so much. The more and more you try to the less and less the plot twist makes sense, and you end up ruining a lot of what made the original so great to begin with.
Imo it’s impossible to write Michael Myers so he fits into multiple sequels. If you give him a motive if some sort, he becomes too human and loses the fear and mystery factor. You can’t imo keep churning out sequels without giving him some sort of backstory or motive.
Plus it’s messy when it comes to whether you
Make Michael supernatural or human. Again, in order for sequels to somehow make sense you have to
Make him supernatural or else how would he keep getting away after being shot, burned and stabbed multiple times? If he’s invincible though, that in itself makes him much
Less interesting and too much like Jason Voorhees ..
Basically I don’t see any way to turn the concept of Michael Myers and make it work long term
Have you seen 2018 and Halloween Kills? They’ve completely ruined the image of Michael lol
@@billsimms2511 He's already implied to be supernatural in the original, being called pure evil and the boogeyman and getting up from being stabbed and shot multiple times. And that was before there were any Friday the 13th movies.
Well i Thing that alot of people forget that Michael Myers did kill His older sister Judith,she was even His First victim so people Stop complaining about the sister issue.
@@jamestyer8294 What are you trying to prove?Who cares about whether or not the first victim was related to him as being logical or fitting, because it doesn't make sense where Laurie is concerned.
@@darrenhood4033 oh its okay for you that he killed His sister but then alot of you Fans bitch and complain in Halloween II Hes Laurie strodes Brother?very hypocritical in my eyes.Ps im Not trying to Prove anything!
It's still the best one in the franchise after the masterpiece.
It is funny that Carpenter thinks it is garbage because I could not see any difference in direction. It looks like it was directed by the same man.
It may look similar because cinematography was done by Dean Cundey who did the first one too, but I think it lacks the suspense and atmosphere the first one managed to create.
He was jealous that it was better than 1!
Here we are in 2021 still making halloween sequels
Think about where this all went? Legendary!
Agreed! best sequel in history.
Michael survives to continue killing random people with Loomis becoming more desperate to catch him = a better sequel. Laurie didn’t need to be a part of it. Wheel her away to the hospital at the beginning and carry on.
I think it's more the case that, after Prom Night and Terror Train doing good box office, Jamie Lee Curtis was considered a star that would attract an audience. Hence why it became a case of, How do we justify bringing Laurie back, and have Michael still going after her?
Should've let it at the first two films, both classics. The franchise just got worse as it goes on, same as Friday the 13th series
I've always thought Friday was the classic example of a franchise that's all over the place in terms of quality, instead of being an obvious downwards spiral. I'm pretty sure most people's favourite Fridays are 3, 4 and 6.
@@MorbidMoonlight I am sort of a fan, which is because the only movies I actually care about are 4 and 6. I don't think any of the other movies are good.
Loved 2. Michael’s mask looks extra terrifying. It had already put in a lot of work that night. Plus , you can actually see Micheal’s lifeless eyes occasionally. It’s better than RZ’s
I enjoyed Halloween 2 more then 2018 verison
H2 is the best in the entire franchise. The best actor for Michael and the best mask (Yes it's the original but the natural aging looks great). Michael looks the best in H2 all around. The hospital was the perfect setting.
Despite my dislike for the film, it will always be Halloween 2 to me. 2018 and it's two sequels can piss off. They've just created a convoluted mess of a timeline now but it's okay because more Micheal Myers right?! Doesn't matter about the substance or reason. Just consume and don't think.
2018 wasnt too bad. I like Curtis in that. It's interesting having a heroine in their 60s. I watched Kills though and I just think it was bad. No mystery or suspense. It was mean spirited and had none of the suspense of 1. 1 makes me jump now. I still notice new things. Like when when the Sheriff and Loomis are talking in the town, Michael drives past.
2 was good in the sense that the setting created atmosphere.
Halloween 1 and 2 is the complete Michael Myers story as far as im concerned. He waited for years to get out to hunt down his living sister, wreaks havok and ends with Dr.Loomis, his obsessed Dr., ultimately killing Myers and himself. There really isnt much more to be told.
That was superb
As someone who only got around to watching the series last year, I have to say I find the negative response to part 2 baffling. I thought it was much scarier and eventful as the first movie, and I honestly thought it was equally well-directed.
I loved Halloween II so.......sorry!!!!
As a kid, II was my fave of the Halloween films.
Only Carpenter will truly know why he dislikes it so much? Maybe he'd wished he had kept him as an unstoppable force of nature, which to be fair he still is, instead of making him more human? It is among the greatest sequels ever made, dovetails perfectly, watched as one long film, there really isn't anything like it.
Hmm the only problem with keeping Myers as an unstoppable force is you can’t keep making sequels without giving him some sort of human motive . The minute you give Myers a human motive then he isn’t as mysterious so it’s s double edged sword
@@billsimms2511 John Carpenter wasn't writing 'sequels, he was writing THE sequel to his own story! The same night ie The same motivation. Unless he was specifically told to give him a motive, i dont understand why Carpenter would do it?
24:25 i lol'd
halloween 2 is my favorite in the franchise (maybe a tie between 1 and 2 tbh) and ive always felt that in 2 michael is just a little pissed and extra motivated due to how halloween 1 ended. his old doctor showed up last minute to ruin his night and shot him 6 times so laurie and the kids could escape and survive. the mask fits different on dick warlocks face (and the mask itself was damaged) and warlock has different body language than castle. but i dont see it as that drastically different. both sell the movie viewer that michael is a terrifying, supernatural, sinister being.
1 more thing, i dont think its unbelievable or out of character for michael to respond to that with more brutality and violence (how he acts in halloween 2). he avoids the cops in the beginning, then hears laurie got taken to the hospital. he goes there and figures he can get his revenge and get his kill that got away, AND he can kill the hospital staff. nobody knows what hes thinking or what drives him because he doesn't speak or show any emotion. its all speculation. hes an evil supernatural being that gets off on killing people that cross his path. is he emotionally driven, mentally, physically? nobody knows why. i love the mystique of the character.
its not crazy to assume that the way michael acted and responded in halloween 2 may have been his instincts.
RIP Ben.
The old TV version of Halloween 2 is a pretty good movie.
Halloween is the more competent of the two but Halloween II is a more enjoyable slasher film in my opinion. The first film is all about building tension and is a little dull for me on repeat viewing the second is a straight up slasher and I like slashers.