I've worked for Peugeot and now Citroën. These replacement engines come with a new belt already fitted. They totally rely on having the right oil. Wrong spec oil will destroy the belt very quickly. Unfortunately, non franchise and backstreet garages don't always know how important the oil is with these wet belt designs.. You will be pleased to know that I've see a brand new Fiat 600 a couple of months ago with the 1.2 Puretech engine AND IT HAD A CHAIN WHOOP! WHOOP!
Ford 1.0 Ecoboost, Peugeot Puretec are the main wet belt engines to avoid. Also stay well away from the 2.0 Land Rover & Jaguar ingenium engines as the timing chains go bad.
I’ve heard steer clear from wet belts but didn’t know what the issues were or reasoning behind them, glad you explained just another cost for driver to spend money at dealership for upkeep barmey 😢😢
Had to scrap my partners 2014 Focus because of the wet belt blowing the engine as the repair was more than replacing the engine. Will never ever have another Ford or another car with a wet belt.
Great video. Good to see how to use the belt width tool. I wondered how to fit through the holes in the oil filler. Ive had 2 of these. Replaced belt at 39k just starting to crack. It had 4 dealer oil changes. Oil consumption at 60k is around 1litre per 1000 miles. Apparently this is normal looking at various Peugeot forums.
Certainly is I’ve done my own Ford 1.0 Ecoboost WB except it was a C-Max so had a bit more room than a fiesta to work but you remove the whole right side of the engine as I’m sure you know 😮
You have done a very good job there, well done. The thing is that "metal" can be reused (melted down), rubber (wet belt) can not be reused. So, the manufactures are talking a load of BS.
Wetbelt is suppose to make you buy a new car. Engineers should be made to change and replace them and ask why. They could use chain but they want disposable vehicles.
It's not us engineers. It's the bean counters. We tell 'em this won't work, but in the endless pursuit of ' cost savings' or 'captive audience', they prefer items that encourage repeat spending.
@@alphaomega5721Which ironically will eventually mean the opposite for them because nobody will trust their engines anymore. Greed will eventually bite them in the arse and I hope it does put them all out of business tbh because they clearly do not care about the customers. I would never buy a car equipped with a wet belt, and anyone that asks me about buying a car
what i do love about the PSA wet belt is that it is very easy to inspect and change. also the oil pump pickup is very easy to get to. on the Fords its a massive amount of work to even get your eyes onto the belt. I think as a mechanic this is even dumber then the rear mounted chains :(
I’m not happy at all, my 2015 1.0 fiesta is due next year for the replacement, 70k kilometres but it 10 years old, ford Australia quoted me 3k, enjoyed the video 👍
Petrol BIO engines are a terrible idea for the owners, Diesel BIO even worse, only reason i can think of for there continued use is the incressed revenue generated from the sale of parts. Again Marvelous Lara you have made a nightmare of a job look stright forward well done.
As a mechanical engineer one of the fundamental things that I was taught at work was not to get oil onto rubber belts. It makes the rubber go soft, breaks the lamination down and swells it up. Who ever designed wet belts must have an agenda of wanting car engines to fail so the public buy more cars. Personally I would be more worried about my companies reputation being in tatters.
Synthetic oil to Ford spec wont rot the belt. Issue is people were filling them with the cheapest semi synthetic 5w/30 they could get hold of, instead of the Castrol 5w/20 fully synthetic from Ford! Many also never changing oil on time.
@@cpuuk when the top level build cost per unit efficiency manager come up with the factory efficiency improvement they did not expect failures inside of warranty, a cost saving that's for sure back fired- as I for one would never consider a wet belt car
After market belt manufacturers should be making Kevlar belts that last longer. My 2014 Transit Custom chain engine has 560.000 km on it and doesnt make a noise.
If the no win fee solicitors thought they could they would of by now. "For Ford Ecoblue or PSA group engines, the manufacturer recommends replacing the wet belt every 6 years." Its a bit the same with cam belts, most people in the know reduce these intervals
Newsflash: Car Makers only need the car to last 3-4 years to clear the Warranty period. People buy on PCP contracts, so change cars every 3 years. This means the cars go wrong with the 2nd or 3rd owner, who the car maker doesnt care about. As they want you to buy a new car.
Thank you Marvellous for stating this issue...I really do not undetstand the ideology behind this nonsensical descison to implement Wet Belts in car/van engines...its the same as car manufacturers saying gearbox does not need fluids!..
@@brianburns9190 Brian I found it mad how its thought as a good viable reason to put something like this ahead knowing full well its going to cost the consumers plenty! 👍🤜🏽
I found your channel a few weeks ago and binge watched the last year of your content. This is the first episode I've watched the same day it came out. Its very entertaining and informative content.
Until very recently, I only thought it was Ford that used wet belts on their ecoboom engined. I was horrified to find out that Audi and VW fit them too. I was about to buy a 3 year old Audi A3 for 22k and backed out because of this. Gutted as I really wanted the car.
Hopefully the oil passages aren't clogged with rubber gunk. Guy should change the oil again after 5K. From what I've read (I'm no mechanic), it's a combination of a bunch of things. Wrong oil, petrol and fumes seeping into the crank case through bad piston rings (cold engines), ect... But yes, it's mostly small oil dilution that erodes the belt. The only solution is to change the oil more regularly, especially if you do a lot of cold start (city driving). Then, a lot more regularly (I'd say twice the recommended maintenance). and Checking the state of the belt, and checking the oil pickup once in a while. It's not a death sentence having a wet belt, but it's a hassle, requires very good maintenance, more than recommended. And changing the belt earlier than recommended too. And let's face it, people buying Peugeots and Citroens aren't the most savvy in terms of mechanical reliability and maintenance schedules. Renaults have no wet belts. Issues, but not that one. Toyotas don't have wet belts AFAIK, they do have some PSA engines, but not many. Some are Daihatsu / Toyota, on a PSA platform (Aygo), I think a few Peugeot engines snuck in there at some point, but no wet belts.
low oil pressure probably cause bearing damage and all the belt trash clogged oil passages, turbo ect. once the belt has gone so far it is time to junk it.
I have a 2014. Pug 2008. Did not know about wet belt. Until i had owned it for a few months. Had 3 tears now. 47,500 miles to date.. Wet belt "Haunts" me every day. They can cost a lot of money to replace. Time for a change I think. See you in the next one. Cheers. 👍👍
As an engineer, I find it perplexing to see a rubber belt exposed continuously to hot oil as a solution from mechanical engineers. Throw in manufacturers selling long time between oil changes and there you have it. I do my cars at 5k miles or 6 months for oil/filter changes. Simple job so no excuses. Oh yes... timing chains
Really good to see more awarness being spread about these atrocious wet belt engines. Had to scrap my partners car after this blew her engine. I would never have bought it if I'd have known about this. First thing i check when looking at a car is if it has a wet belt and walk away if it does and I suggest everyone out there foes the same. Absolute joke.
I own 2017 308 1.2 THP. PSA did a recall and replaced my wet belt. It was a day to replace free of charge. I had no issues with the car before except the Cat failed in 2 years and was a warranty replacement. They said if everything was clogged they had to have the vehicle for three days and replace a lot of parts. I have used the correct oil since day one of ownership which is a specific grade B71 2312 0-30w c2 and not the B71 2290 which is for earlier versions. That little width gauge is a great way of checking. Very simple and cheap. Cracked tyres is more of a problem these days only after 2 years of use Michelin Pilots or even Goodyears !
What is the purpose cause a rubber belt has to remain dry wereas obviously a timing chain needs oil feed. It was probably an apprentice technician in France won a competition for a new design and the chief engineer just went with it.
To be fair, the state of the engines oil indicated severe neglect by a careless owner and I would guess the wrong grade of oil was used anyway which would have contributed to this cars wet belt malaise.
Just changed my wet belt for the second time at 200,000miles. It came out pristine. Oil changes every 10,000 miles. Two belts (I don't believe a manufacturer would change an engine without changing all belts) at almost identical mileages says owner, not vehicle, to me.
I was just say this I’m a window fitter I get a nice new van every 3 years and all been transits L350 LW/HR 2013 2016 2019 2023 now these vans don’t get wrapped in Cotten wool, hard use each and everyday and coving min 1000miles per week loaded with tools/and windows/doors each day Iv not ONCE had any issues with the mechanical side esp the dreaded wet belt of doom because each vehicle gets serviced on the button, main dealership each time so all the correct oil/components used soon as it’s picked up, booked back in 20 weeks later (20.000miles) the company I worked for leased them, it was all payed just the driver who was named to it had too book it in and sort it out. Didn’t pay for it but it was my responsibility but the issues of other drivers wouldn’t use main dealers just authorised service centres I would not even care about this wet belt issue Used vehicle or new Used it be straight in for a new one fitted to the manufacturer of the vehicle and fully serviced If you don’t maintain a car/van then expect things like this to happen
wont help. far too many people buying cars who don't even know what brad they drive never mind what powers it. manufacturers are basically praying on them at this point.
Part of the driving test should include maintenance because a lot don’t even know to open the bonnet a bet a lot of these wet belt owners are the ones you see waiting for the AA to come change there tyre
At the main dealer they should be checking the belt by default at every oil change but you better make sure they do. On newer cars they raised the pressure value the warning light comes on. Still if you don't stop immediately, that engine is basically fubar.
Switch to the newest version of the belt, use the factory recommended oil and dont cheap out on the E5 petrol. City driving cokes up the poor bastard so you have to floor it sometimes. First thing you should do at every startup is turn off the star&stop system, since it's so agressive it won't let the oil to heat up properly during short trips. This way you might be able to get 100.000miles out of this engineering marvel of an engine. When you thought they couldn't do worse than the prince engine...
Wet belt engines are just garbage. I've got the Ford 1.5 diesel and something fails on that engine about every three months and that's with the correct servicing
well my old corolla has over 200,000 miles on it and the engine has never been touched internally, got to say something about modern technology. Baffles me how someone as young as you Lara is so knowledgeable, or do you just look young? Either way many thanks for posting as its always a treat to have a Marvelous Lara vid to relax to.
Could be they failed to maintained are route time but to have wetbelt and oil - they never mix nor do they work. Oil eats rubber and when rubber breaks down it contaminates filter and fills any holes it can find.
The Peugeot 108 and Citroen C1 mk2 could be bought with the Toyota 1KR-FE as well as the PSA Puretech engine, but Toyota knew better than to offer the Puretech engine in the Aygo mk2. I think that says it all really
Miller oils recommend halving the oil drain interval on wet belt vehicles. I appreciate they may have a vested interest but appears sincere to me. Interested why you rate Febi filters, Mahle and Mann are usually touted as premium.
Garages filling with cheap oil is what is rotting these belts. Owners/fleets topping up with incorrect oil too. 99% of the public just think oil is oil, it is not! 112k on a ford ecoboost with oil changes with genuine ford synthetic castrol magnetec 5w/20 every 6-8k, had belt changed, was like new!
In the netherlands we had a tv show about Cars with those Puretech engines causing problems, a few Vauxhalls have those to , I thought Vauxhalls are populair in the Uk beware buying one ....... any car with a Puretech inside
I have never heard of a wet belt until watching your video. My understanding was you either had an internal chain or an external fibre belt. I know that second hand car dealers promote the chain over a fibre belt because the chain lasts longer. Interesting video Marv, thank you!
I have an appointement this morning to sign up for a mechanic school (and was interested into becoming a mobile mechanic) but when I see the pain in some of your videos, I think I should reconsider my choice 😅
I see it as a hurdle mate. You’ll come across sht on a daily basis but once you’re over it, you’ll feel good about it! I say keep at it and enjoy the journey 😁
These ridiculous wet belt systems are designed fail. It's all about using cheaper materials to build engines, maximising profits. If cars breakdown the manufacturers make more money selling parts and new cars. I did read that in America, Ford got sued over the reliably issues with there crap wet belt systems. They are so bad, that used car dealers won't sell Ford Eco boost fitted cars retail because of the constant reliably problems with these rubbish designed engines. I'm glad that mechanics like yourself are calling out these manufacturers about these issues with their poorly designed engines. In the long term its going to cost these manufacturers their reputation, and inevitably their car sales.
Car manufacturer's have known for decades that wet belt systems are unreliable and in some design set ups, like here, are dangerous. They don't care, about you, the environment or the brand, because it's all about the money.
@@Bond2025 Yeah your average punter doesn't know crap about cars. They buy the pretty, comfy one with the gizmos, and it's got 'cheap' finance or whatever. My mom certainly wouldn't know about any of these issues, and she is the typical dealer's favorite customer.
Thank you for the video. Like many others, I had no idea that a wet belt existed. Whatever happened to the old rubber timing belts that they used to have? You could easily check their condition and replace cheaply on a regular basis. Needless to say, I will avoid buying any of these wet belts so thank you for the warning!
They’d have received a class action by now in the States! The sad thing is how many people are buying these used lemons without even knowing there is an issue.
Since cars are sold at near-zero profit, it makes sense for it to have a wet-belt with which the car will be trash in 70K. new engine needed. Of course, if the car is serviced with the correct oil it may last longer, but car service places use cheap oil, so....
I know little about these other than what I see on here, but it gives me the feeling it's one more step in making the engine a disposable item, it sounds completely ridiculous 😮
The real problem of those shit puretech engines comes from the pistons rings! There are too much loose for stupid ecological reasons... so some gas accross the cylinders to polute engine oil! And this makes the timing belt eating. Until the stellantis group doesn't solve this, the problem will still be here but out of warranty.
hii marvelous i love your video's, about the car manufacturers you cant only blame them for using a wet belt. the do this kind of stuff like egr adblue ect because the government wants it
Why disable the thumbs down, which we can't see anyway. The only people who are going to dislike this are Peugeot and any other car maker who uses this stupid system! edit: Anyway, great video. I bought one of these damn things myself last year. It's due to go in for its' 2nd annual service in a few weeks. After this, I will be looking to go back to a good old chain driven Toyota!
People should make more informed decision prior to buying a car , considering wet belts have been around for the last 15 years and have caused problems .
Stellantis la plus grosse arnaque de l'histoire des marques de véhicules des groupes en France on portée plinthes et la marque psa à perdu son âme de moteurs robustes 😢😮
Great video . iv got ford focus 2020 plate my mechanic said to me get a car Ford focus don’t get a diesel don’t get a wet belt so I’ve got a petrol and I’ve got a chain happy days
Wet belts have certainly got a bad reputation. In my opinion, some of it is deserved, and there were definitely issues with design and materials especially with the earlier models which have them, and also with manufacture recommended service intervals being too long. The majority (especially the revised/upgraded belts) are fine as long as they are changed on time and the correct specification oil is used. Unfortunately those which don't, or had the poorer quality belt/design, suffer the issues but even when a belt is replaced can then later suffer issues caused by the first failure. As far as i know, most manufacturers will sort issues under warranty/goodwill, as long as correct servicing has been maintained - unfortunately usually it has not.
I can understand making machines operate efficiently, but there is a right way and a wrong way to go about it. These wet belts may be fine theoretically, but it appears that is about as far as it goes. I don't know if it's oil contamination, temperatures or what that's causing these wet belts to have a much shorter life. Personally, I think all vehicles and especially those with wet belts inside should have proper oil pressure gauges because if the rate the pressure builds when the engine is started slows down then you know for certain there is a problem developing that need investigating and as soon as possible. One thing is clear: They should have been designed so they are relatively simple and quick to replace, like the earlier dry cambelt systems before you had to release engine mounts and other nonsense just to swap a simple rubber belt. It was also ridiculous putting a wet rubber belt on the oil pump and requiring sump removal and a other operations to replace it, instead of making it chain or gear driven so that it stays good for the life of the engine. It's almost as if modern engines are simply made to be disposable items not meant to be repaired but thrown away and replaced. No doubt if the entire 'eco' footprint of the issues caused by and the total remedial action required to do so were taken into account then wet belts would be shown to be anything but ecological.
From my understanding, this wetbelt palava is to reduce emission to get in line with new law about being sustainable and ‘net zero’ however, I’m sure there are 100 million other ways to do this but oh well…
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I've worked for Peugeot and now Citroën. These replacement engines come with a new belt already fitted. They totally rely on having the right oil. Wrong spec oil will destroy the belt very quickly. Unfortunately, non franchise and backstreet garages don't always know how important the oil is with these wet belt designs..
You will be pleased to know that I've see a brand new Fiat 600 a couple of months ago with the 1.2 Puretech engine AND IT HAD A CHAIN
WHOOP! WHOOP!
The worst design out there.
But they're still doing it.....
@@Chris-v4z1t well for them it's easy money with the repairs after the guarantee or in accidents cases...
Like I said, they appear to have gone back to chains on the latest incarnation of the Puretech 1.2 engine. Only seen one though.
Your most passionate rant to date. I didn’t even know what a ‘wet belt’ was. I won’t be buying ANY vehicle with one! ❌🙈👍🏻🙏🙏
🤣😂🤣😂
Ford 1.0 Ecoboost, Peugeot Puretec are the main wet belt engines to avoid. Also stay well away from the 2.0 Land Rover & Jaguar ingenium engines as the timing chains go bad.
I’ve heard steer clear from wet belts but didn’t know what the issues were or reasoning behind them, glad you explained just another cost for driver to spend money at dealership for upkeep barmey 😢😢
Had to scrap my partners 2014 Focus because of the wet belt blowing the engine as the repair was more than replacing the engine. Will never ever have another Ford or another car with a wet belt.
Great video. Good to see how to use the belt width tool. I wondered how to fit through the holes in the oil filler.
Ive had 2 of these. Replaced belt at 39k just starting to crack. It had 4 dealer oil changes.
Oil consumption at 60k is around 1litre per 1000 miles. Apparently this is normal looking at various Peugeot forums.
I watch Baz Meredith, he has done a tonne of these, he has all the gear, lift post ect. Hats off to you doing it on the drive.
A PSA 1.2 wet belt is far, far easier than a Ford though.
Certainly is I’ve done my own Ford 1.0 Ecoboost WB except it was a C-Max so had a bit more room than a fiesta to work but you remove the whole right side of the engine as I’m sure you know 😮
@@khalidacosta7133 they sure are
You have done a very good job there, well done. The thing is that "metal" can be reused (melted down), rubber (wet belt) can not be reused. So, the manufactures are talking a load of BS.
You're absolutely right!
Wet belt timing is a terrible deign choice.
Avoid at all costs
yes avoid wet belts and buy an EV. is what manufacturers want you to do
Wetbelt is suppose to make you buy a new car. Engineers should be made to change and replace them and ask why. They could use chain but they want disposable vehicles.
‘More ECONOMICAL’ 😂
It's not us engineers. It's the bean counters. We tell 'em this won't work, but in the endless pursuit of ' cost savings' or 'captive audience', they prefer items that encourage repeat spending.
@@alphaomega5721Which ironically will eventually mean the opposite for them because nobody will trust their engines anymore.
Greed will eventually bite them in the arse and I hope it does put them all out of business tbh because they clearly do not care about the customers.
I would never buy a car equipped with a wet belt, and anyone that asks me about buying a car
Great work your a legend
what i do love about the PSA wet belt is that it is very easy to inspect and change. also the oil pump pickup is very easy to get to.
on the Fords its a massive amount of work to even get your eyes onto the belt.
I think as a mechanic this is even dumber then the rear mounted chains :(
I still wouldn't buy any of them.
Rear mounted chains like diesel BMW or Vauxhall insignia, LR Ingenium engine can also do one! They’re SH*T to do!!!
At least Ford and PSA specify a service interval. No specified service interval on VAG engines....
I’m not happy at all, my 2015 1.0 fiesta is due next year for the replacement, 70k kilometres but it 10 years old, ford Australia quoted me 3k, enjoyed the video 👍
Petrol BIO engines are a terrible idea for the owners, Diesel BIO even worse, only reason i can think of for there continued use is the incressed revenue generated from the sale of parts. Again Marvelous Lara you have made a nightmare of a job look stright forward well done.
As a mechanical engineer one of the fundamental things that I was taught at work was not to get oil onto rubber belts. It makes the rubber go soft, breaks the lamination down and swells it up. Who ever designed wet belts must have an agenda of wanting car engines to fail so the public buy more cars. Personally I would be more worried about my companies reputation being in tatters.
Synthetic oil to Ford spec wont rot the belt. Issue is people were filling them with the cheapest semi synthetic 5w/30 they could get hold of, instead of the Castrol 5w/20 fully synthetic from Ford! Many also never changing oil on time.
1% fuel saving and a 12% engine build cost saving from the factory, definitely a production saving decision
£1200 average dealer replacement cost.
Totally understandable really but I’m sure there is another way…- removing adblue to save engine build cost? 😂
Ah, but a nice little earner for the dealer.
@@cpuuk when the top level build cost per unit efficiency manager come up with the factory efficiency improvement they did not expect failures inside of warranty, a cost saving that's for sure back fired- as I for one would never consider a wet belt car
Work out how much they saved on not putting chains on some if not all the 4,400,000 vehicles sold last year…
Well done mate ! You did it with passion 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
After market belt manufacturers should be making Kevlar belts that last longer.
My 2014 Transit Custom chain engine has 560.000 km on it and doesnt make a noise.
This sort of common defect should be covered under not fit for purpose law... It's just if anyone wants to take on a big company.
If the no win fee solicitors thought they could they would of by now. "For Ford Ecoblue or PSA group engines, the manufacturer recommends replacing the wet belt every 6 years." Its a bit the same with cam belts, most people in the know reduce these intervals
Ford has started to pay for the full cost of repair so long as the car has a full service history.
That's why they are getting sued.
Fantastic work. Well done marvellous… Definitely keep them coming. Nothing more rewarding than hearing a Healthy car again 😃😃
Manufacturers want you to crash ? What an idiotic statement
You are 100% right we went to a ford transit the other day belt completely gone , motor replacement
Newsflash: Car Makers only need the car to last 3-4 years to clear the Warranty period. People buy on PCP contracts, so change cars every 3 years. This means the cars go wrong with the 2nd or 3rd owner, who the car maker doesnt care about. As they want you to buy a new car.
Thank you Marvellous for stating this issue...I really do not undetstand the ideology behind this nonsensical descison to implement Wet Belts in car/van engines...its the same as car manufacturers saying gearbox does not need fluids!..
It blows my mind on a daily basis
@themarvelousvlog my c4 1.2 done 46 thousand miles .Just booked in to get belt replaced. been lucky no problems.
How many cars go scrapyard from engendered in failure and isn’t the vat on a new car 20% so on a 40k car the dirty government get 8k
@@brianburns9190
Brian
I found it mad how its thought as a good viable reason to put something like this ahead knowing full well its going to cost the consumers plenty!
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@@janlojko5228
Its nonsensical really!
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Apparently you can get rid of the wet belt and change it for a ‘dry’ belt .
I found your channel a few weeks ago and binge watched the last year of your content. This is the first episode I've watched the same day it came out. Its very entertaining and informative content.
Welcome aboard! Thank you for the kind words 😁
Manufacturers who use wet belts should be done for fraud that's when they will start wetting themselves
Until very recently, I only thought it was Ford that used wet belts on their ecoboom engined. I was horrified to find out that Audi and VW fit them too. I was about to buy a 3 year old Audi A3 for 22k and backed out because of this. Gutted as I really wanted the car.
Hopefully the oil passages aren't clogged with rubber gunk. Guy should change the oil again after 5K.
From what I've read (I'm no mechanic), it's a combination of a bunch of things. Wrong oil, petrol and fumes seeping into the crank case through bad piston rings (cold engines), ect... But yes, it's mostly small oil dilution that erodes the belt.
The only solution is to change the oil more regularly, especially if you do a lot of cold start (city driving). Then, a lot more regularly (I'd say twice the recommended maintenance). and Checking the state of the belt, and checking the oil pickup once in a while. It's not a death sentence having a wet belt, but it's a hassle, requires very good maintenance, more than recommended. And changing the belt earlier than recommended too.
And let's face it, people buying Peugeots and Citroens aren't the most savvy in terms of mechanical reliability and maintenance schedules.
Renaults have no wet belts. Issues, but not that one. Toyotas don't have wet belts AFAIK, they do have some PSA engines, but not many. Some are Daihatsu / Toyota, on a PSA platform (Aygo), I think a few Peugeot engines snuck in there at some point, but no wet belts.
why do they not do chains instead? simple answer, they can make more money selling a new engine thanks for the video
low oil pressure probably cause bearing damage and all the belt trash clogged oil passages, turbo ect. once the belt has gone so far it is time to junk it.
It is about time that someone sues these maggots as this is manufactured thievery by car manufacturers.
Never mind the wet belt, you’re a great mechanic! Very entertaining content. Keep it coming.
Thanks, will do!
I have a 2014. Pug 2008. Did not know about wet belt. Until i had owned it for a few months. Had 3 tears now. 47,500 miles to date.. Wet belt "Haunts" me every day. They can cost a lot of money to replace. Time for a change I think. See you in the next one. Cheers. 👍👍
Next one in line is the Knock Sensor kicking in due to carbonisation 🥲
Car manufacturers are like politicians. Hard to trust.
As an engineer, I find it perplexing to see a rubber belt exposed continuously to hot oil as a solution from mechanical engineers. Throw in manufacturers selling long time between oil changes and there you have it. I do my cars at 5k miles or 6 months for oil/filter changes. Simple job so no excuses. Oh yes... timing chains
Preach that
Not sure what engineer doesn't know that belt will not be rubber.....
@@khalidacosta7133 what do you think they would be made from, steel looking like rubber, or the less popular polyurathane or neoprene ?
Really good to see more awarness being spread about these atrocious wet belt engines. Had to scrap my partners car after this blew her engine. I would never have bought it if I'd have known about this. First thing i check when looking at a car is if it has a wet belt and walk away if it does and I suggest everyone out there foes the same. Absolute joke.
Ill stick with my old panda .timing kits about £40 takes an hour to change. Non interference. Even the dog knows oil and rubber dont get on well.
Manufacturers no guilt here, legal requierments are pushing them to do this.. egr prime example 🎉
Excellent video,complex mechanical work,with clear explanation ,done with a sense of humour!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I own 2017 308 1.2 THP. PSA did a recall and replaced my wet belt. It was a day to replace free of charge. I had no issues with the car before except the Cat failed in 2 years and was a warranty replacement. They said if everything was clogged they had to have the vehicle for three days and replace a lot of parts. I have used the correct oil since day one of ownership which is a specific grade B71 2312 0-30w c2 and not the B71 2290 which is for earlier versions. That little width gauge is a great way of checking. Very simple and cheap. Cracked tyres is more of a problem these days only after 2 years of use Michelin Pilots or even Goodyears !
But honda uses wet belt and they don't fail.....that 1.6dtec has amazing reliability and loads of people drive them
What is the purpose cause a rubber belt has to remain dry wereas obviously a timing chain needs oil feed.
It was probably an apprentice technician in France won a competition for a new design and the chief engineer just went with it.
To be fair, the state of the engines oil indicated severe neglect by a careless owner and I would guess the wrong grade of oil was used anyway which would have contributed to this cars wet belt malaise.
I agree with this…
Just changed my wet belt for the second time at 200,000miles. It came out pristine. Oil changes every 10,000 miles. Two belts (I don't believe a manufacturer would change an engine without changing all belts) at almost identical mileages says owner, not vehicle, to me.
I was just say this
I’m a window fitter
I get a nice new van every 3 years and all been transits L350 LW/HR
2013
2016
2019
2023
now these vans don’t get wrapped in Cotten wool, hard use each and everyday and coving min 1000miles per week loaded with tools/and windows/doors each day
Iv not ONCE had any issues with the mechanical side esp the dreaded wet belt of doom
because each vehicle gets serviced on the button, main dealership each time so all the correct oil/components used
soon as it’s picked up, booked back in 20 weeks later (20.000miles)
the company I worked for leased them, it was all payed just the driver who was named to it had too book it in and sort it out. Didn’t pay for it but it was my responsibility
but the issues of other drivers wouldn’t use main dealers just authorised service centres
I would not even care about this wet belt issue
Used vehicle or new
Used it be straight in for a new one fitted to the manufacturer of the vehicle and fully serviced
If you don’t maintain a car/van then expect things like this to happen
Ford We're just fined 160 million in America for not admitting the wet belt problem for 12 years ....
That’s crazy! 🤯
Yet Ford Europe won't even acknowledge there is an issue with the Ecoboom engine.
That's peanuts for Ford. How many vehicles they sold with that defect?
@@0bzen22ALL OF THEM😂
Wet belts are crap and pointless they should make manufacturers replace engines for normal dry cam belts .
There really was nothing wrong with regular dry timing belts
People must stop buying cars with these stupid engines, so companies can shove oily wet belts up, wherever they want.
😂😂😂
wont help. far too many people buying cars who don't even know what brad they drive never mind what powers it. manufacturers are basically praying on them at this point.
makes it a real pain when you just buy 2nd hand cars. then wind up finding a bunch with stupid configurations that you would otherwise want.
Part of the driving test should include maintenance
because a lot don’t even know to open the bonnet
a bet a lot of these wet belt owners are the ones you see waiting for the AA to come change there tyre
Great Video and helpful, my Daughter has a Citroen C3, same engine, regular oil changes are priority, but I admit, very poor idea! 😡
Anytime now! Best to buy the small tool before it’s too late 😳
At the main dealer they should be checking the belt by default at every oil change but you better make sure they do. On newer cars they raised the pressure value the warning light comes on. Still if you don't stop immediately, that engine is basically fubar.
Switch to the newest version of the belt, use the factory recommended oil and dont cheap out on the E5 petrol. City driving cokes up the poor bastard so you have to floor it sometimes. First thing you should do at every startup is turn off the star&stop system, since it's so agressive it won't let the oil to heat up properly during short trips. This way you might be able to get 100.000miles out of this engineering marvel of an engine.
When you thought they couldn't do worse than the prince engine...
That’s why I still keep my 407 hdi tank of a car.
Wet belt engines are just garbage. I've got the Ford 1.5 diesel and something fails on that engine about every three months and that's with the correct servicing
well my old corolla has over 200,000 miles on it and the engine has never been touched internally, got to say something about modern technology. Baffles me how someone as young as you Lara is so knowledgeable, or do you just look young? Either way many thanks for posting as its always a treat to have a Marvelous Lara vid to relax to.
Just like our modern roads, always cracking and forming potholes out of the blue!
I just look young 😂 I’m almost 30 haha
@@themarvelousvlog Yep you are young but obviously a bit of a mechanical genius!
also as i was consumed by the red mist lol i forgot to say this is another great video from Lara. so thanks bro. keep it up. x
Awesome! Thank you!
Could be they failed to maintained are route time but to have wetbelt and oil - they never mix nor do they work. Oil eats rubber and when rubber breaks down it contaminates filter and fills any holes it can find.
Is there no aftermarket chain kits available?
I drive a Toyota, no wet belt problems ever.....
I'm toyota man won't own any other brand 😊
The Peugeot 108 and Citroen C1 mk2 could be bought with the Toyota 1KR-FE as well as the PSA Puretech engine, but Toyota knew better than to offer the Puretech engine in the Aygo mk2. I think that says it all really
And Toyota hybrids have no rubber drivebelts of any sort anywhere on the car 😊
Not necessarily true :D They have models with Peugeot engines. I don't think any have wet belts in them, but always be careful.
Would never by a car with a wet belt….junk….
Been neglected servicing on their part good video👌😁 strange seeing a vaccuum pump on a petrol i thought they were only on diesels🤷♂️😳
Miller oils recommend halving the oil drain interval on wet belt vehicles. I appreciate they may have a vested interest but appears sincere to me. Interested why you rate Febi filters, Mahle and Mann are usually touted as premium.
Febi is OE Matching, which means exactly the same as the OEM product. You’ll find that Febi will etch off the OEM branding off the part
Garages filling with cheap oil is what is rotting these belts. Owners/fleets topping up with incorrect oil too. 99% of the public just think oil is oil, it is not! 112k on a ford ecoboost with oil changes with genuine ford synthetic castrol magnetec 5w/20 every 6-8k, had belt changed, was like new!
In the netherlands we had a tv show about Cars with those Puretech engines causing problems, a few Vauxhalls have those to , I thought Vauxhalls are populair in the Uk beware buying one ....... any car with a Puretech inside
I have never heard of a wet belt until watching your video. My understanding was you either had an internal chain or an external fibre belt. I know that second hand car dealers promote the chain over a fibre belt because the chain lasts longer. Interesting video Marv, thank you!
I have an appointement this morning to sign up for a mechanic school (and was interested into becoming a mobile mechanic) but when I see the pain in some of your videos, I think I should reconsider my choice 😅
I see it as a hurdle mate. You’ll come across sht on a daily basis but once you’re over it, you’ll feel good about it! I say keep at it and enjoy the journey 😁
@themarvelousvlog Thank you ^^
Switching career after 10 exhausting years in IT, I hope I won't regret it (too much) 😁
@giovannipomarico2035 follow Alpha Autos here on YT and TikTok. He’s got a great story to tell you. I believe he used to be an IT consultant too 😁
surely if the car had a new engine the warranty time restarts and can be replaced?
I wouldn't even replace a wet belt because it's just still a wet belt
Well done lad doing a job like this outside in somebody's yard !!
These ridiculous wet belt systems are designed fail. It's all about using cheaper materials to build engines, maximising profits. If cars breakdown the manufacturers make more money selling parts and new cars. I did read that in America, Ford got sued over the reliably issues with there crap wet belt systems. They are so bad, that used car dealers won't sell Ford Eco boost fitted cars retail because of the constant reliably problems with these rubbish designed engines. I'm glad that mechanics like yourself are calling out these manufacturers about these issues with their poorly designed engines. In the long term its going to cost these manufacturers their reputation, and inevitably their car sales.
True, terrible design.
Wet belts are good business for mechanics
Car manufacturer's have known for decades that wet belt systems are unreliable and in some design set ups, like here, are dangerous. They don't care, about you, the environment or the brand, because it's all about the money.
If people stopped buying vehicles with a wet belt engine, the vehicle manufacturers would very quickly stop selling vehicles with wet belt engines.
People said that about CVT. We still have them.
@@Bond2025 Yeah your average punter doesn't know crap about cars. They buy the pretty, comfy one with the gizmos, and it's got 'cheap' finance or whatever. My mom certainly wouldn't know about any of these issues, and she is the typical dealer's favorite customer.
Thank you for the video. Like many others, I had no idea that a wet belt existed. Whatever happened to the old rubber timing belts that they used to have? You could easily check their condition and replace cheaply on a regular basis. Needless to say, I will avoid buying any of these wet belts so thank you for the warning!
A lot of people are unaware of this until the dreaded oil pressure light comes on 🥲
Some say the belts wear out because of the ethanol content in the petrol.
I’m sure it does contribute to it but imagine if it was a dry belt- what a world it would have been 😂
They’d have received a class action by now in the States! The sad thing is how many people are buying these used lemons without even knowing there is an issue.
Brilliant video as ever ,what a crap idea manufacturers made big mistake😢😢😢😢😢
Since cars are sold at near-zero profit, it makes sense for it to have a wet-belt with which the car will be trash in 70K. new engine needed.
Of course, if the car is serviced with the correct oil it may last longer, but car service places use cheap oil, so....
I know little about these other than what I see on here, but it gives me the feeling it's one more step in making the engine a disposable item, it sounds completely ridiculous 😮
Like a couple of others I had no idea of what a 'wet belt' is, no way on earth would I buy a car manufactured with one.
Great job, very well explained. PureTechnician 🔧
Thank you mate!
The real problem of those shit puretech engines comes from the pistons rings! There are too much loose for stupid ecological reasons... so some gas accross the cylinders to polute engine oil! And this makes the timing belt eating. Until the stellantis group doesn't solve this, the problem will still be here but out of warranty.
hii marvelous i love your video's, about the car manufacturers you cant only blame them for using a wet belt. the do this kind of stuff like egr adblue ect because the government wants it
It all goes back to them doesn’t? Is there any other way, or any other way to be economical without using wetbelt?
bisogna dare una lezione a questi costruttori (stellantis e ford e forse qualcun'altro)
bisogna comprare macchine buone ,ad esempio giappone e corea
Chain conversion kit is coming very soon.
Definitely wants getting rid of it. If they should replace them at cost too the manufacture, I’d bet they soon get rid of it then 👍👍👍👍👍🙋♂️nice job
Yeah I agree!
According to some manufacturers the wet belt was to reach new emission standards
bro your a brave man working out in that british weather
I try
Worst design belt ever created and the pug is now good for another 30k 🤣🤣 great work young man. How to I get on your shop plz ??
Not a bad rant at all Lara...and I agreed with everything you said.
And nice to meet you on Tuesday at Sandown park with Kerby and Baz
You too mate! Great to meet you
Why disable the thumbs down, which we can't see anyway. The only people who are going to dislike this are Peugeot and any other car maker who uses this stupid system!
edit: Anyway, great video. I bought one of these damn things myself last year. It's due to go in for its' 2nd annual service in a few weeks. After this, I will be looking to go back to a good old chain driven Toyota!
People should make more informed decision prior to buying a car , considering wet belts have been around for the last 15 years and have caused problems .
If the gauze on the oil pick up is excessively damaged the engine is toast
I'M a Peugeot fan throught thick and thin , that I won't buy.
Stellantis la plus grosse arnaque de l'histoire des marques de véhicules des groupes en France on portée plinthes et la marque psa à perdu son âme de moteurs robustes 😢😮
What was the cost of replacing the wet belt?
Great video .
iv got ford focus 2020 plate
my mechanic said to me get a car Ford focus don’t get a diesel don’t get a wet belt so I’ve got a petrol and I’ve got a chain
happy days
Manufacturers are selling a new car to a customer not to the next two or three owners , the sales waffle is the tool used to sell it new .
Conspiracy but I agree!
BIO - Biodegradable in oil 🤣
Hahah! Thats right!
Good video brother 🙌 0:46
Good information broooo.
Love from watford
Big up
YOU TELL THEM MARVELOUS
😂😂😂
More manufacturing more disposal finally someone gets it.
Totally agree with you about wet belts .but that engines never had an oil change since it got replaced ,owners fault it’s went like that ???
I would say so!
Wet belts have certainly got a bad reputation. In my opinion, some of it is deserved, and there were definitely issues with design and materials especially with the earlier models which have them, and also with manufacture recommended service intervals being too long. The majority (especially the revised/upgraded belts) are fine as long as they are changed on time and the correct specification oil is used. Unfortunately those which don't, or had the poorer quality belt/design, suffer the issues but even when a belt is replaced can then later suffer issues caused by the first failure. As far as i know, most manufacturers will sort issues under warranty/goodwill, as long as correct servicing has been maintained - unfortunately usually it has not.
I can understand making machines operate efficiently, but there is a right way and a wrong way to go about it. These wet belts may be fine theoretically, but it appears that is about as far as it goes. I don't know if it's oil contamination, temperatures or what that's causing these wet belts to have a much shorter life.
Personally, I think all vehicles and especially those with wet belts inside should have proper oil pressure gauges because if the rate the pressure builds when the engine is started slows down then you know for certain there is a problem developing that need investigating and as soon as possible.
One thing is clear: They should have been designed so they are relatively simple and quick to replace, like the earlier dry cambelt systems before you had to release engine mounts and other nonsense just to swap a simple rubber belt. It was also ridiculous putting a wet rubber belt on the oil pump and requiring sump removal and a other operations to replace it, instead of making it chain or gear driven so that it stays good for the life of the engine.
It's almost as if modern engines are simply made to be disposable items not meant to be repaired but thrown away and replaced. No doubt if the entire 'eco' footprint of the issues caused by and the total remedial action required to do so were taken into account then wet belts would be shown to be anything but ecological.
From my understanding, this wetbelt palava is to reduce emission to get in line with new law about being sustainable and ‘net zero’ however, I’m sure there are 100 million other ways to do this but oh well…