Is Sentinel Spam a Total Sleeper? | Astra Militarum Tactics
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Shhh! Don't scare the non-guard... my 9 scouts and 9 armored sentinels are counting on the surprise factor!
I think a meme lift full of catachans being lead by Engineers and units od Plasma Armored Sentinels would be hilarious.
Trying this concept this weekend against Tau.
How did that go? I'm fighting Tau this weekend myself...@@drewthorne552
Been running Sentinel spam with a lot of indirect fire. Typically, it works well with my local meta but we usually have a lot of empty area in the middle of our battle grounds with much of the terrain in the starting areas.
I run 6 of them to support the trench running.
6 boys to charge in front of the infantry and by time to get set up on objectives
I used it, I can say before getting 1 second in, its not good at all, right of the bat, i can say there's no firepower in the spam, its just overpriced heavy weapon's, 1 for 60-70 points when you can get a HWT for the same price with X3 the units, the sentinel spam is only good for objective rushing away from anti tank, and will just be a slow death with no kills or objective holds beyond the first 2 turns, sentinels are made for supporting other units with there ability's, being a distraction carnifex and slipping past enemy's to troll objectives, not to be a battleline or heavy hitting unit. you can however, troll people with reinforcements on a 210 point unit lol
What was the rest of your list? My buddy ran it with success.
HWT does have 3X the firepower but they are ridiculously fragile.
@@BloodBuffalo It was full sentinel, nothing else, would not be a true sentinel spam otherwise, there is a huge difference between sentinel only and sentinels with basilisks.
it was 9 armored sentinel's, 5 scout's and marbo as a warlord to camp the back objective with lone operative.
And then you still get screened out by a hyper elite army like Custodes because you're trying to bring in three different 60 Mil bases in the SAME UNIT from Strat reserves.
@9drunkninjafoxes367 How did you do that? Marbo isn't able to be designated a Warlord.
As someone who almost got their Norn emissary one shot by a Sentinel squad only for them to respawn. I'd say yes 😅
Do it! Use the list on tournament to prove its effectiveness
13:25... Never thought of comparing cost of sentinels and Battle line units.... Id love to see a report at hos a list like this does in a tournament.
I could see an artillery/sentinel combination list. Would be interesting.
18 Sentinels and a Cerastus Knight Castigator is 1655 points. Tank Commander and 10 rough riders to round it out?
I like the Scout Sential best. I use two of them as 1 man units. I mostly use them for the ability to help my Russ tanks and Rogal Dorn.
Underrated IMO. Can punch above their price and take down much larger monsters/vehicles when complimented with the right units. An example would be using Creed/Master Vox, a unit of Bombast Field Guns and a full squadron of Scout Sentinels with Lascanons. Creed can issue 'Take Aim' Orders as both have the 'Regiment' Keyword. Scout Sentinels, use their 'Daring Recon' ability, "painting" the target unit. Both the Bombast Field Guns and Scout Sentinels are now hitting on 3s and re-rolling 1s. The Bombast Fields Guns have 'Sustained Hits' and 'Lethal Hits' because of the army rule and unit ability. Combining these abilities creates a work around for these units' weaknesses against higher priced/high toughness units. All this takes is the target unit being visible and within 18" of the Scout Sentinels and the Scout Sentinels and Bombast Fields Guns being within 24" of Creed.
I’d love to see you take 18 sentinels to a tourney!
1170pts for 18, I reckon you could use the spare 800 pts to cover their weaknesses
All the lists I've been tinkering with are 12 sentinels. They basically replace the armor corp of a normal guard army.
Thanks for doing a highlight on my current list!
Sentinel spam is so tempting this edition with the 2+ save on armored sents
That said, I'm very happy with 3 units of 1 scout sentinel each, does the job very nicely.
Does that set up mean you can use daring recon on multiple targets?
@@tonmandude yeah, each unit of Scouts can use the ability. A unit of 3 scouts gets one Daring Recon, but 3 units of 1 scout gets 3 uses of Daring Recon
Yep! And as a bonus they're harder to kill. You admittedly can't get all 3 back with one use of reinforcements, but in my games the 3 man scouts were never getting fully destroyed anyway.
Dont be a beta go 1x3
The sentinel is such a workhorse model right now, every guard player should get 3 imo.
A squadron of 3 scout cans in a combined arms list puts the opponent into a hard to calculate decision bind. If they ignore the cans till lategame you get a solid force multiplier all game. If they put firepower into them you can get great value out of your 2cp. (I use the conversion rate of 6 mortals per cp, so 21 wounds of high T high Sv is solid) A smart opponent will turn the problem back on you by dropping the cans to 1 model t1. T2+ start shooting infantry off the board before resolving anti tank shooting, and if you dont cp reinforce the infantry, put their anti tank into your main armour.
A single scout can in reserve is a nuisance threat that punishes lists that run light on chaff.
All sentinels have great keywords which makes them a handy order dump if the primary order target got deleted early.
Tanky Cans give your infantry and scions lists a sticky anti tank unit.
Tanky Cans give your tank company some OC ferrets without sacrificing your armour skew.
I think the time of the 10th ed can can can list is over already. However, if "3d printer go brrr" then the financial cost of enjoying the meme is probably justifiable.
TLDR: Balanced unit. Strong, but has counter play. Take? Yes. Spam? No, but funny.
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I’d be tempted to take LASCANON X2 and a H.Flamer on your squad of three. That way when they leave your sents on 1 model you can bum rush it into combat to be a pain in the arse and/or kill it for reinforcements
You can always move-move them and charge them into the killiest things. Helps to spend orders on them and deploying on the right side of the board.
🤣Why was this so hilarious to me@@cavemansam8400
I want a sentinel command squad.
An oponent found them surprisingly tanky the damage output on the other hand is nefarius
Same for me.
But re rolling 1’s and having “take aim” on heavy weapons in the back is great (or rerolling 1 on Kaserkin with take aim and rapid fire).
Especially when you add the “sustained hits”.
So every one you roll is a chance to get an additional 6.
Since i tend to use a lot of battle cannons i used the armored variant to screen catch fire and be a good objective for reinforcements@@Baktrianos
If they can charge every turn it gets mitigated by their utility. Not to mention 3 armored sentis getting all their HK missiles. Suddenly you are getting a 500 pts unit that is worth 500 points of firepower too (with help of HK and CC and resurrections).
@@Baktrianos1 scout, 1 attaches and 2 medusa carriages is where is at to get the most out of scout sentinels.
I was just thinking about this actually. So neat to hear this take.
If I did my math right, 9 scout and 9 Armored comes out to 1170, which still leaves a decent amount of points.
So 180 for a 20 man infantry with a command squad. Take 3 of those, for 540. Add Ursula for 2 more orders.
If you take the Vox and only the flag or medic, you could stuff 3 mortars in each of those blobs.
180 for 3 mortar teams and you’re left with 55 to play with if you took creed, 110 if you didn’t. And you get a potential of 18 mortars as well.
Play around with it a bit to take more bodies or a basilisk or two, maybe more orders, and you’d have decent amount of indirect fire and bodies to compliment the sentinels.
Not entirely sure how to make it work, but 830 points seems like enough to make up for some of the army’s weaknesses. I’d like to see this in action.
This is gonna be so great for my catachan army
Initial answer from me: no 0:13.
11:34: maybeeeeeee?
I'd certainly be interested in what your list would look like if you took on 18 sentinels, considering you would still have over 800 points left to use in a 2k list to build around them.
Slightly less battleline since sents are nice and expendable, and slighly fewer tanks since sents can punch other vehicles like tanks can with lascannons and HK missiles. You still need a few men to bubblewrap some leaders like solar, creed, and straken. You can lean further into the medium armor spam with chimeras. Lascannon loadout is bad at clearing chaff, so chimeras and scions/kasrkin might help with that. I also think rough-riders are sleepers in general.
18 Sentinel with six each five model Scion squads and a mortar pit will be able to play the objective game. There ought to be enough left for Guard characters.
@@quincykunz3481for the points I’d rather do rough rider spam. At least between the frag/melta options and the lance ability they have strong anti-chaff and anti-tank.
@@quincykunz3481 You could throw a Command Squad with Master Vox and like a Heavy Weapon Squad. Command Chimera seems tempting, Take Master Vox, a Special Weapon, and HWT, use HWT and Special Weapon with Firing Deck and Get 24 inch orders from Sentinel.
leontus, 3 hydra, 3 basilisk, 3x3 scout 3x3 armoured gives 24 hk missiles, farming command points, plenty of dakka and wounds. all less than 2000pts
I think it looks like you won’t have enough fire power if you spam them, but I do love scouts roaming around to paint targets and cause objective worries
Yes it is a total sleeper and I've been having tons of fun with it since 8th.
i just built this list. i filled in my infantry with stormtooper battle line. lead by a psyker and Nork Vad.. I mean Nork Deaddog
I wouldnt go recommending sentinel spam, just because of the lack of firepower and the price for the unit. That being said, everyone should take 2x squads of 3x scout sentinels, all with autocannons. They are indeed a staple unit, and our best access to re-rolling 1s
This is my plan with my catachan army. Rapid deployment to the front with scouting. Jungle snipers (ratlings) as a reserve. And some artillery.
A dream list of mine tbh for funnies
My current list has 3 units of 2 armoured and 3 units of scout… still a lot of sentinels roaming the board, but it’s backed up by organ and catachans in chimera and loooots of artillery (and the solar/krieg/command squad)
180pts for 3 with out orders or a infantry squad with orders it’s a difficult choice as you would still need the command squad to give the sentinels an order in 24 inches.
I’m looking at taking 2 teams of 2 scouts in a list with plenty of indirect fire. Makes them equal return on reinforcements cost then having them indebidualy
Scout Sentinels are pretty great, but I've gone off spamming big units of them. They're fast and durable, the spotter ability is essential, and being able to use Reinforcements on them is great. But they're not going to be dealing a lot of damage, so that's potentially a good few points that won't contribute to removing enemy units. Armoured Sentinels have the same problem, they're just a bit more durable while also being slower.
So for me, I have my 2 or 3 individual scout sentinels in any list and that's it.
Did this have anything to do with me telling you I take 9 armored setinals in my list?🥰
Great stuff bro.
Hypothetically, If you have both Creed and Leontus, you can "Reinforce" 2 unit (6 sentinels) per every rounds.
I thought creed doesn’t work with Reinforcements since the unit is no longer on the field.
You can't though unfortunately, since they nerfed free strat abilities it doesn't work on reinforcments
Modifying stratagem costs was FAQ’d to only be battle tactics in the core rules. Sadly reinforcements is not a battle tactic. Also regular Vox-casters are almost useless if Leontus is in the list because you can only gain 1 extra CP per round. However, fields of fire is an excellent freebie for Creed to spam especially with a leman Russ exterminator in combination and the extra CP from Leontus/vox-casters leaves enough extra to do things outside of reinforcements. (Expert bombardiers is not the worst use of a CP in an artillery heavy list as it lets the ALL of the indirect fire move and still have +1 to hit. And since it targets the vox-caster unit to activate they get to roll for the bonus CP when they use it.)
I am a fan of this video, I would love to see sentinels in a bat rep
Smells like Konflikt 47'
Chicken walkers go STOMP😁
this reminds me of star wars's AT ST in a way, but smaller and better
Everyone loves a chicken walker
ML has heavy. ML, and LC are only two weapons worth taking . lesser weapons might last longer on the field
Why does almost every armies META always devolve into a big handful of mobile, somewhat tanky units?
Chaos Knights, Imperial Knights, Necrons, and now Guard.
My friend HATES my sentinel loadout. I have 2 squads of 1 scout and 2 squads of 2 armored. 3 autocannon and 3 lascannon, they follow each other around the battle and bring all kinds of havoc
i try and add sentinels to my lists all the time but they always end up getting cut out for one reason or another. usually the lack of firepower or something else feels like its going to do the job more efficiently...
Braaaaaaaah
You should of mentioned that every sentinel gives bring them down.
I'm new to 40k and just building my 1st combat patrol. eventually I want to get a valkyrie. if my valkyrie on/below half combat strength return to strategic reserve by flying off the battlefield (meanwhile having the aircraft keyword), do they regian all of their hp, if not, do they still need to roll for being battle shocked in strategic reserve?
I've tried sentinel spam - it is not great at all. If you want to play a similar list and want better firepower, better movement, better durability (through 4+ invuln and Fire and Fade), deepstrike, better synergy through buffs and stratagems and ability for characters to join, all for cheaper - play Tau and take Crisis Suits.
Sentinel spam worked at the end of 9th with the banner of B*llsh*t though.
Was thinking the same, just constructed three of the new sentinels, brilliant kit. Want to get three more now once I've got these painted up :)
Anyone know the rules on base sizes, I have three old style ones with the old base sizes, are they still legit and if so for now long before I need to rebase them?
Base size rules are gonna vary by location or event, I'd bet. My FLGS allows minis to be played on the base they were sold with, or the current version, for example. That said, if you do have to up-size the bases you could just glue the old base atop one of the new 80mm ones to bring 'em up to code with ease.
How many sentinels is "spam" I would say the floor should be 1 of each unit type (or two units of one type per 1k points), so I could absolutely see that being valid in respective games. But yes 18 sentinels in 2k is probably not valid.
0:55 only a 45 second intro...
I can't afford 18 sentinels! 😂 damn your eyes!
This term 'sleeper' what does it mean?
LVI 2017 I took 9 setinels and scions with fliers I won 5 games.
"Hunter killers are really good" so then are my rolls just terrible? Ive played a handful of games and i think the hunter missile only ever hit once or twice? For very low damage too. I got a better chance at taking out the enemy with a basic lascannon than even hitting with the missile..
Bring it down feels like a problem for a Sentinel skew list? Couldn’t your opponent just clean up?
Almost all balanced guard lists will give up bring it down between Sentinels, indirect and tonks
@@danwoodhouse3134Maybe. Leman Russ are pretty tough though, right? I haven't mathed it out, but when I played with my Nids (not strong anti-tank) it felt distinctively easy to max out. I feel like the fixed per vehicle element in the scoring would be a problem particularly if you're running a *lot* and bringing them back all game. I could be wrong, though.
SIR!! Could you please make a Sly Marbo video?? ´cause i´ve been readin´it´s datasheet and looks kinda sus, tbh
Reporting for duty , Sir o7
It is fun Army great for RTS's , But
1) objective control it is weak VS hordes
2) opponent kills 2 of the 3 in squad ? no reinforcements : biggest weakness
3) It is a seal clubbing Army if opponent has never seen it
4) Rule of cool ? it is a 10/10 like an Armored Regiment is
5) not a cheap "beer and pretzel" Army to make / Ask me I made it
O7
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No it's a meme list. Absolute garbage