Alpha 21 Buffed Spears, But Was It Enough? - 7 Days To Die
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
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► 7 Days To Die Alpha 21 buffed spears but was it enough? let's find out in todays deep dive into the files and changes and decide if spears are now good.
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please check whether stunbaton got buff too
Since you really know stuff in this game i thought an Alpha 21 weapon tier list from you might be a good recommendation. How about that?
what do you think is better clubs or sledge hammers?
I think they should keep the spear as is and make new weapons like javelins which are made to be thrown it is their primary function, some throwing axes or knives would be welcome additions as well. Not sure if it was due to mods haven't played vanilla in a long time but I remember spears being able to have the weighted head mod which would make the knockdown rate probably even more insane.
yeah, i am running around right now with the spear and the weighted head mod in it. knockdowns are very common now on heavy attacks with it. loving it. only way to feel somewhat save in this alpha in early game is with a spear in hand.
Something like the mod War of the Walkers. The Soldier (or Covert?) class can craft throwing knifes.
New build idea: Spartan Soldier.
Guns, nerds and steel did a spartan spear themed horde night for his one night stand series. Pretty good video
THIS makes me wish we had SHIELDS! That would be pretty neat for a build like that.
@@bannankev I still dont understand why dont we have shields and swords in this game, i mean . . . Anything can be a shield/ we already melting down iron for stuff. Soooo we should have it . . . right?
NGL, would need a spear with a longer Hitbox
@@taida_9105 id love to go full medieval with a sword shield and full metal armour
If there is anything you can say about TFP, its that they dont half ass their buffs.
Or their nerfs sadly
Lol, that is great.
Tbh people say perception is bad skillwise but idk. Salvage Operation is absolutely goated and obviously being able to launch your lootstage up is great. Snipers kinda suck since youd rather have higher volume of fire in zombie games but the sniper rifle has a decent mag/fire rate and AP rounds/ Penetrator saves A LOT of ammo on horde night. Plus me and the friends often make trips into snow biomes and being able to bring down lions quickly with a sneak attack headshot is super nice
Let the hunt begin lol
I'm a hardcore spear + rifle user. It's tough to get consistent headshots on a sever w some lag but now that I've adapted to it, and especially now with the lever action rifle, I'm having a blast. I can 1shot irradiated zombies, even bikers. I can deal with demos pretty easily on horde night. I can deal with cops before they get shots off / before they explode. It helps that I have good aim + am good at quick scoping, the spear is also great aim practice. I think the rifle really shines when used in a group - where one person is blasting the priority targets while others gun down larger numbers. Feels good to be the one dealing with some of the more dangerous zombies with relative ease.
I was playing around with spears today and I love the extra reach with them. Especially with the holes in doors now.
Precisely why I want to try a spear playthrough now because of the amazing reach!
Plus, having heavy armor could not be a priority as you can keep enemies at bay when you get better at using spears? No?
@@janpala5922 i like the idea of being a super nimble spearman wearing full light armour with a bunch of points into the agility and perception perks
Nice to see spear get its moment in the sun finally....until TFP decide they have maybe went a bit far and nerf them again :) cheers for the info.
You should do a vid on the new stun baton buffs on the physician skill. I have a feeling it could be very strong
Int build getting Ws and now we are more useful to hang around :3
In early 2024, spears+parkour are still the secret recipe.
Especially if you build a horde base where they run right at you. The penetrator perk of rifles + wild nature of spears make horde nights a breeze.
Do yk how much the spear slows down a zombie bc at max lvl it says 100% chance to slow a zombie’s but how much slower is it 15% like knives or more than 15% or less than15%
The piercing ability on power attack is what is going to make the spear the ultimate kill corridor beast.
Spear books have always been common along with the tailoring ones in most of my playthroughs these are the first two I have completed, usually wasteland survivor, urban combat and the great heist are the last ones I get done.
Bro, im definatly playing with spear but it would be also cool to have shield made out of metal barrel for defense. That would be a banger.
The one benefit to the old throwing power attack: you could charge the throw, draining your stamina, and mouse wheel to another slot (preferably another spear) and let go. It would store the throw charge on that slot so when you swapped back it would instantly throw without the stamina cost. You could store 9 spear throw charges and have 1 slot open for a melee weapon or a bow. Then scroll with your mouse wheel and it would release the spear throw as your scrolled to it. You could turn 9 spears into a mini machine gun with no cost aside from spear crafting materials. 3 spear throws would knock any zombie flat on its back. A common tactic in online play was to have 6 spears charged. Throw 3, have the zombie knocked down, and finish it with your primary weapon. Unleashing all 9 on another player was essentially a guaranteed kill as well early game.
That sounds awful lol
Instead of doing all that prep, you could just use a gun
@@Vloog95 it’s a first 30 minute game play and takes all of 6 seconds to do. There’s no prep. But it’s a moot point, it’s gone now.
Thank you for doing this and thank you for the straight to it answer at the start.
I quite enjoy the piercing aspect of spears. If enemies are lined up closely you can pierce through them to the ones behind.
Just want to say thanks for all this info you put out - I realize 7D2D isn't the most motivating thing for you right now so xtra thanks - stay happy Iz 8)
As a once-was spear user, I might have to come back to them after these buffs (:
It's taken me a while to get into A21, but as a long time spear player I'm absolutely loving them being so immensely OP. I got the level 6 steel spear as a quest reward on about day 20 and now I'm stabby stabbing everything in even the tough POIs. Takes maybe three stabs to finish off radioactive zombies, which is frankly ludicrous, but I'll take it!
Current playthrough, I'm not finding anywhere near as many of the spear magazines and am about half way through (Iron tier 3) at level 34 though I have 4 perk points in spears. Either my RNG sprites are dying laughing at me, or they nerfed it a bit. Either way, it's well worth the pain. Built a melee horde base and it worked beautifully. Only had to shoot a few vultures during second horde which is sweet since ammo seems very hard to find. Love it!
The reason people were maxing the spear magazine perks on streamer weekend is because everyone (including the fun pimps) forgot that for A20 they made spear and archery skill books ridiculously common as a "buff" for those two early game.
With the huge increase in literature sources and like 75% of those containing a spear or archery skill book, it wasn't hard to max both on the first week. Looks like someone remembered to revert that silly change finally for the public experimental.
Long-time spearman here. Glad to see this (finally) going through. Even when spears were not a top-tier weapon, I still stuck with them. I never liked TFP stupid throw mechanic one bit. I would regularly, miskey my attack and up weaponless with my spear stuck in some zombie jerk, or animal, or piece of the world. No more. I totally approve of the new power attack mode and do not miss thrown spears one bit. Clearly, the TFP dont understand spears very well. Thrown spears do of course exist IRL, but, they are not permanent weapons. They are literally, throw aways, the Roman Pilum is a good example of this. It is either a throwing, spear, or a spear that is your primary weapon, and not meant for throwing. Now, at last, the 7d spear is a proper, dedicated meelee weapon.
If people still want throwing spears, then petition TFP to create an entirely new line of spear. A cheap, easy to craft, throwaway weapon, a throw and forget type if you will.
I'd love you to make a video on changes between A20 and A21. Not all changes, but certain things like how you need a pot to boil water now, etc.
besides collecting books so that you can't skip crafting certain levels of items ,there are also some minor changes in recipes + almost 0 chance to find clean water.
Also stuff like coffee ,crushers etc.(anything besides beer) is now eighter harder to find or only craftable/purchasable in vending machine or trader.
The spear stats reminded me a lot of your A19 -> A20 archery comparison.
"In Alpha 19 a level 1 Iron Crossbow had a damage offset of -6, it's now HOLY SHIT DID SOMEONE JUST CALL IN AN AIRSTRIKE?"
I'm on day 37 survivalist with 100% loot setting and I still don't have all 7 spear books. So I'd say you got RNG luck on your run. LOVING my perception build though. The ease of attacking through doors, better reach than all the other melee weapons, built in armor penetration, and now a proper power attack. It has been glorious
I really do like how its feeling so far with a couple of hours with the changes. I am going to miss my throwable light stick (burning shaft spear) though, I considered it a vital part of my kit regardless of build lol.
Honestly I love the spear buff. While it brings the weapon up to a point that almost all melee weapons are equally powerful (Batons are still kinda rough), I think spears being on pace as one of the most powerful melee weapons is pretty accurate to a real life survival situation.
There's a reason spears were so popular until the invention of guns, and it's mostly because they were A.) Cheap, B.) Easy to use and learn, and C.) Long enough to keep you safe from getting attacked back by your target.
Amazing video, my Wife loves spears but they've always been so bad. Also, if that's what a car sounds like near you then you may want to find a real spear ASAP. Great video, thanks for keeping us updated!
Thanks for this spear comparison. I'm actually using them in A21, I didn't use them much in A20 at all.
Considering that I very much enjoy running a spear/sniper build, I am very glad about these buffs, and while I tried to make throwing work in a20, having a power attack does feel much better to me
This is really great to see, I've always felt that spears should be one of the best possible melee weapons instead of one of the worst. In reality, spears and baseball bats would be the first choices for a zombie apocalypse because they are super effective and everyone already has one at home.
I'm afraid I have neither a baseball bat nor a spear at home
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@joedartonthefenderbass You can easily make a spear. Get some duct take, a kitchen knife, and a broom stick and wallah. Homemade spear.
Or you can just sharpen a wooden broom stick.
Make sure to take some strong wood if you plan on making a spear. A broomstick breaks pretty easily
I loved the reach and power of spears in Alpha 21 I have been using them exclusively. With perks it seems to be a great way to do big damage without getting hit.
Neato ^^
I'll give them a shot on my next playthrough. At least they're not disappointing
Agility is also as powerful as strength jumping 3 blocks up and wasting little to no stamina in fights is very useful
I do miss the throw mechanic, it was a nice cheap ranged option with melee potential. I used to run 2-3 stone spears early game, then transition to sledge as the game got harder and maybe hold on to one for low stamina situations. I agree a buff was needed though.
in perception build, yeah spears are very strong now, aim for the head so yeah aiming skills required, crossbows and snipers are also a go to for the build. the book that gives piercing ability: very good for horde night
the only reason i enjoyed the old throwing system is the pre-throwing exploit:
1. Charge a throw
2. switch to a different toolbelt slot
3. release the charge
the visual of throwing the spear happens but it wont throw yet but when you switch to the spear it will instantly shoot out at what your aiming and yes you can stack almost your whole toolbelt with them basically turning into a machinegun spear thrower
Drawbacks:
you need to be verry accurate
Stamina will be deducted on the actual throw
While I did think the spear throw was kind of a unique trait for it among the other weapons and removing the unique trait kind of sucked, outside of its range, it was frankly pretty situational and not really great for good damage without throwing the spear and potentially losing it(and even fighting with your pants down if you miss). Even the previous time where I crafted a bunch of stone spears to be like javelins while my Iron Spear is my main weapon to fight with, but it wasn't too efficient since a single spear took a full inventory slot and I have no pockets to prevent being encumbered. And also being able to poke through doors when a hole is made is just really good for door defenses
Also with the new update where the spears feel like they do quite chunky damage this time around, it's so fun seeing zombies heads pop every time I poke at the head when combined with the new gore system which is a treat.
Thanks for the info here on spears , really appreciate it 👏
i would like to ask one thing tho, does penetrator affects spears too or only shooting weapons?
Was playing with my bud and knives are really good. Damage and bleed works
Great video again, mate, and the best Alpha 21 release content so far. While the other content creator videos have been entertaining I really feel like they were all toeing the line of the Fun Pimps media release, with most of them commenting on exactly the same features as if it was all scripted. You’re videos provide useful information for us seasoned 7D2D players. Keep up the great work. 👍
I would argue that snipers have also been buffed because the perception tree In general is better making a sniper build a lot more manageable. Also they added a zoom acceleration setting in controls so snipers are a lot easier to handle
Yup. Going spears and clubs I think. Good video and thank you❤ Can’t wait for alpha 21!!!🎉😊
I liked the idea of the throw but it should have had like 50 damage on the stone spear with whatever I dunno, 300% base sneak damage but it should have also had like 4x damage on heads when thrown, increased to 10x then 20x depending on the distance of the throw.
The changes are decent though.
Thanks for the concise update. Going to enjoy not being forced to use clubs.
Pro tip: slightly lowering your mouse sensitivity helps land accurate spear shots.
The spear compiled with agility build with padded clothing is a quick, stabby, relentless build. Take some crush and coffee and your stamina will infinitly restore,
(Until the crush and the coffee wears off)
The extra reach with the spear is totally worth it, compared to other melee weapons, also the spear has a quick animation refresh time so no getting caught with your pants down sort of situation.
I used to build STRICTLY ONLY heavy armour builds, now that i got a taste of real agility and what it's capable of with the most optimal weapon, i can't go back to heavy armour anymore. It's that good.
Spears with agility build, can't recommend it enough.
@@Endrance450 Right, forgot that book exists. it's pretty good, why do i get the notion that TFP is going to nerf the hell out of spears again? *Foreshadowing*
Hmm, seems like I started playing at a good time. I love my spear!
Car at the end was rude. Comment though pretty damn funny. 🤣 💜
A very clear, concise and excellent video. Thank you.
major buff for the spear because of the new doors
To me the most logical upgrade you could give to the spear is make it have a longer reach than most weapons. Armor piercing is good though.
Damn, hitting a tiny fence with your bike from a yard took away SEVEN PERCENT damage. Jaysus.
Hitting a tree was a 21% loss.
They weren't kidding about vehicle damage.
Guess I'll levelling up that Perception stat this time round.
I would have to disagree about having to go into the minig perks cause with crafting the tool now done by books once you get them up to augur who cares if you do more dmg and gain more. As long as you have fuel you just have mine a little longer
horde-base hallways will greatly appreciate this
oh so it's like the spear on darkness fall mods, nice i love the stab power atk on spear.
I was sad, (A18.1 was last I played) the pokey stick was underwhelming. I think I might get back into it now.
Not gonna lie still very upset that you can’t transfer saves across updates. You can take a save game from Minecraft beta 1.3.2 from 2012, and move it in to a brand new game with the caves and cliffs update.
Granted they have more staff, but the changes in 7 days to die really don’t seem to warrant the need to nuke your save game every time you update, because it’s kind of a spit in the face of long time players
My conspiracy brain still believes 7 days to die was never supposed to actually come out and was supposed to just be a money laundering scheme, but now they’re in too deep and if they pull out now, TFP would be screwed over
Ngl, would be nice if they made javelins their own weapons to retain the throwing spear aspect.
Thanks for the top notch content!
Any thoughts on the learn by looting system after playing around with it for a while?
Spears are the best now I think that have everything rifles pair well with them too and shot gun makes a great weapon when too close for rifles makes for a good miner crafting / looter build late game could switch to stealth
wish they had more mods for the spear to make it look cool like when you mod the clubs
damn you didnt mention the true part of the spear buff in the video, the ability to superjump at 2:58
cant wait for the stun baton video!
Spears are my signature weapon of choice in any game that offers them, but yeah I just HATE that they're tied to perception, because perception is such a meh stat otherwise :(
the AOE on the a lvl6 stone spear keeps getting me multiple kills,
and the bleeding kills a lot with one hit
I dont think anyone is gonna complain about the spear throw being gone lmao, to me it was never anything except for a nuisance. Been making a spear build in A21 and it's so much fun. I recommend keeping a pipe baton on the side as well in the beginning, or just two spears
If you REALLY want spears to be viable, try the Undead Legacy mod. It's a major overhaul mod that adds a lot of stuff and makes the game a LOT more fun, in my opinion.
Thumbs up, for FUCKING CARS!
Buffed spears? But I thought they removed the throw feature? Which I thought was the only reason to use the spear.
Prebuilt loves to Brag about his Spear.
God damn cars! Lol great vid
so you still got early access just went able to stream it
yah, i got access from my very nice friends. TFP just would have nuked me if i had posted anything about it.
Are spears considered bladed weapons? Can they benefit from the Deep Cuts perk?
no
the spears are much more broken in a20 than people think (in earlygame) it has a bug where you can load the shot and move the mousewheel, that way you can change to anything else, the moment you change back to the spear it will insta launch with 0 stamina cost (at the launch), basically it was an "emergency shotgun" but free (if you say it in the video i will delete this comment)
I really love spears now
The spear is good for choke points. It has a 3 block range and the zombies seem to have a 2 block range.
I believe that it already does have a longer reach. At least that is the feeling I get while trying it. I can stand 2 blocks back on horde night.
How good are stun batons now?
First, love the vids my dude!
I'm using the spear this playyhrough. What are the goto mods for it?
What buff? I pick a spear for reach, but the spear in this game has the same reach as the knife. The reach is horrendous. I have to retort to the stone axe to check the paintings in Pois, because using the spear is so frustrating, because there is no reach.
Me and my friend play this on the Xbox app for pc would anyone know when the update comes out for that?
It does seem that zombies got a buff on range. I've gotten hit while standing outside spear range.
Oh good another reason to start a new server for agility
but how do u level them up if u need str?
I actually forgot how awful the spear throwing was in A20. lol
The massive stamina loss and the fact that it was useless for horde nights.... good riddance to the old spear
yep I'm sold
I don't mind the extra damage but needs nerfed a bit. Really, they should just reduce the chance to knock down or ragdoll.
Laughts in stun baton
Is a spear you can't throw still a spear ?I suppose its quicker to say than blade on a stick lol
works the penetrator skill on speer ? =)
I’m so sad they removed the throw
Why do they have to screw up the Stone spear design?
to be fair, you can fail an attack way easier, high risk high reward weapon, finally historically accurated spears!
I dunno...I tried spear again and the stone spear is worse than the bone knife
I’m wondering if the bows are still as good as they were.
They seem like they are pretty much the same.
Has anyone else been having a world generation issue? should I just try playing on a pregen world?
As a Machete main for the longest amount of time, I am excited to get into spears, something new!