The BEST Bluewater Sailboat, Under $250k - Ep 215 - Lady K Sailing
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2024
- How hard is it to get sailboat insurance? What is the bets bluewater sailboat for under $250k? Tim talks about sailboat insurance and bluewater sailboats in this episode of Lady K Sailing.
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Island Packet should rename that wee sugar-scoop to "sugar packet" or "sea-spoon".
😂🤣😂🤣
I've really been enjoying this series immensely! [smile] Could you possibly do a similar series based upon sailing in the cold? For artic explorers & us Canadians who live upon boats! [grin] P.S - Thanks for all you do!
Sooooooo out of my budget, but a super fun "window shop" to see the boats in this price range. Man, if the husband was on board (no pun..well maybe pun intended) I would sell the house and cars and buy a boat to live on 100%. Alas, I married a tree that likes his roots (and mowing the lawn). Great video!!
Catalina sometimes unfairly suffers reputation-wise like Hunter, but on their larger models in particular, like the 42 and 47, they are really good boats. Solidly constructed, good hardware, good sailing characteristics and functionally laid out on deck and below. I think the sailboat industry is the only one where you get criticized for making a product that is practical and accessible.
Always a good video Tim, I enjoy how you break each boat down and explain things that matter vs things that dont really matter. I also like that you give your opinion in a way that isnt in your face
You didn’t include any European boats, apart from mentioning Oceans 45 at the end!….for well under $250000 you could have easily got an Amel 53, Amel Super Maramu. Probably, arguably one of the best blue water boats ever made. Actually designed for a couple to sail around the world.
Our SM is 30 years old, completed 2 circumnavigations and is about to do another! ⛵️😀
Amel is a production boat with a bolt on cast steel keel so if yours has had that much use change your keel bolts or at least check them , for me that is not what I consider a well made blue water cruiser , but your alive so must be doing it's job for you 🙂 Godspeeds
@pl7868 There is no possible way you can include a Beneteau Oceanis as a blue water sailing yacht over and above an Amel! If the keel bolts are rusting, this would be visible by staining or even cracking on the gelcoat where they are encapsulated. Same on any boat that has encapsulated keel bolts. There are pros and cons to both encapsulated or exposed keel bolts. Neither of which makes a boat more or less likely to lose a keel.
Oyster had fully glassed in keel that ripped a huge hole in several boats when the keels came off! No Amel Super Maramu in 30 plus years has lost a keel through failure. There was one that wes bouncing aground on a reef, but that would affect any boat with a fin keel.
The Beneteau Oceanis you mentioned has a grid structure that is literally just glued to the hull, that is poor design, and several have failed, especially after a grounding that most other boats would survive. No boat is faultless but some are better than others.
For 16 keel bolts to fail, you would have to have something serious go wrong.
@@JayPerrypersonal I never mentioned a beneteau the other guy did and the bolts rust inside the keel you may see signs of it you may not
@@JayPerrypersonal wrong person i have never made a video all i did was make a comment
@@JayPerrypersonal you mistook me as the guy that made the video i'm not , I did look up Amel's though look like decent boats
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us
Been loving the Bayfields and Gozzards for a number of years Tim, Never owned one but sailed a bit on a Bayfield 32. ... Great feature.
I really enjoy your research & videos. Your presentations are excellent. Keep up the great work.
Thank you very much!
Love the channel
Dude... you're awesome. Thank you.
That Catalina was just stunning! I am looking for a boat to take me around the different oceans and my budget is a bit tighter. I will most likely be solo sailing and I am also new to the game as such. I am down at the local docks several times a week just to dream and go window shopping. I know my first offshore boat will be nothing like this, but wow what a beautiful boat!
I insured my Hurley 700 1980 that I bought for €1500. It was abandoned and had damage. I fixed it up and insured it for €20 a month.
I live in the Netherlands so maybe insuring here is way easier than in the US.
Great vid. Fun to get to this end of the market. I'm a year or so from retirement and love to hear your opinions. Dreaming now, reality very soon! Thanks.
Sailed an IP 420 to the Channel Islands for a few days and that boat sailed great. The full keel made it a challenge to dock in tight quarters.
Hey Dan, Ive just sold my starlight 35 and am looking to get a bigger boat. I'm looking at a contest 48 or maybe an IP 440, saw the vid by Micah and am now considering going stateside to buy. Do you think you would get anywhere near a 200 mile day in avg winds?
@@MrSeanglynn don’t think I can answer that with any certainty, but I think 160 is probably a better number. The 420 is a bit underpowered but comfortable.
What about financing an older boat? These you are show are quite expensive. I’m retired vet looking for a 42-48 3 cabin cruiser, how do I find one to go from Alaska to Mexico on those prices?
We sold our 1973 Paceship 29 last spring. The person buying it needed insurance of course. I contacted the insurance company we use (Aviva - Skippers Plan) and they told me if the boat was under $20,000 and photos were provided, then they wouldn't need a survey. I think it depended on what they saw when looking at the photos. We sold it for well under $20,000 and he had no problem getting insurance with just the photos with Aviva. Now, granted, the boat was in excellent condition but that was all he needed and got his insurance. The boat we bought was over $20,000 so we did need that survey.
awesome thanks
We have 1982 westerly fulmar bought 15.5 years ago for €45k. Insurance was Allianz until last year now yachtsman insurance. We’re based in Ireland.
Awesome 👍
Hunter Legend 335 - 1989, insured no issues without a survey (U.K.)
I really enjoy these type of videos because I don't own a sailboat.
Love that Gozzard!!
Nice video
Covering the Catalina this week makes up for not covering it two weeks ago! Man oh man, I am with you 100% on this one. If I had the cash, I'd be all over that.
Hahaha me too!
What boat recommended for sailing in polar ice conditions
How about calling the cute back end of the Island Piglet 420, an IP ""sugar scooplet?!
Many thanks for making these awesome vids. One of my v.favourite sailing channels.
Tim, you rock!! Sent with best regards. From the Isles of Skye, Highlands of Scotland.
Tim, that cal 2-46 is still up for sale, more than a year on. Maybe it's just a bait n switch. 'we sold they one, but ..yada yada. Seems over priced at 250k but what do I know.
Just found your channel. Love it. Only problem was when I looked at the photos of the Catalina 47s for sale, there is protection for the rudder. There are a few on the market and I would be seriously considering one if only it had a skeg. Are there other US made boats like this but with a skeg? What do you think about the Contest 48 a very similar boat? I'm seriously not worried about where I buy, I'm an ex British Military guy and my wife loves adventure more than me :) , now that the £sterling has recovered, could the USA be the place for me to buy?
Wow, can you do an episode on buying new,… for “me”,… mono coastals - great value! Thx Captain DQC
The comments you got asking about boats for high latitudes an polar boats have me scratching the wood holding the hat on , sailing in the far north or south means your freezing for weeks to get someplace to freeze , they should go outside up north somewhere put on winter whatever an hose themselves down for a month then pretend they got where they were going an sit an freeze an think it's another month sailing to get even close to above 0 , if you ask how to sail in that climate and waters then trust me don't try until you have enough experience you don't have to ask , I do like Gozzards 🙂 with a fireplace sailing to someplace warm an sunny 😁
Hi there. I e never been sailing but I grew up with motorboats. I just found your channel, and yes, I’ve subscribed. If money were no option, what boat would you buy? Would it be new or a classic?
Cheers
I'm a Shannon fan boy, so I would say a mid-80s Shannon 50! Look at it's number's alone are impressive!
in Australia where i live you cant get more than third party insurance on your boat if it is home built.
Hi Tim - love your videos - if we're talking about 250K, would it be better to buy for 150K and have 100K to upgrade / fit out? Leaning towards an IP, but would 100K get very much from the factory for upgrading an older boat? thanks!
Hi Tom, can you help me i dersrand how tome affect price? For example any one of these boats you featured say peoce at $250k, what would onw expect the naturla depreciation to be in 5 and 10 years. This assumes refular maintenance and typical upgrades along the way to keepnthe boar in good condion. Thanks in advance.
That Gozzard is still for sale on Yatchworld, 9 months after this video. Wonder what is wrong with it?
What’s the advantage of twin helm why do they make boats with twin helm is there any disadvantage to twin helm
Question would you know why USCG would register a boat 10ft shorter then it actually is? Looking at a boat now and going to have to fly to check it out.
Might be based on waterline length (LWL) but I'm guessing.
lets say you have 250k in pocket to buy the boat outright. What min. monthly income should you have to live on it full time?
Why it is hard to hear anything about yachts from beneteau or hallberg-rassy from most of english-speaking bloggers? Are they that rare in the US? Or there is something wrong with them in your opinion?
What is the best sailing high latitudes???????????????
If you spend most of your time at anchor and still want to race then why hamper the boat performance with a furling main and headsail?
Purely as a curiosity question, are masts on the Gozzards keel stepped?
The mast on the one featured looks deck stepped.
Did I hear the mention of Rum tasting? I'm up for that and I don't care even if it's not on a boat.
Harr, matey! Count me in!
I can answer that...Hans Christian ..now I'll watch the video 😂
Hehhehehe yessss!!!
Progressive doesn't ask for a survey if you just want liability.
Oh WOW good info!!!
What about a 40 c$c
Meanwhile on Sam Holmes Sailing "I found an abandoned Oday 23. Lets take it across the Pacific."
Aren’t Geico and Progressive the same? If you try to get Sportbikes with Geico, they forward you over to Progressive.
I don't recall you ever mentioning Oyster, do you think they are overrated?
Not at all. They just haven't shown up for sale inside the criteria
@@johngalt7465 one word : STEEL
People do your research from sailers and boat builders. It is very difficult to find true bluewater sailboats. Kraken Yachts is a true bluewater boat.
So you can’t cross the pacific ocean in a Catalina 40 footer? Noob here and shopping for a boat.
I usually like what you have to say and the boats that you like to live..... maybe I am mistaken but did you not say the Catalina 47. Is not a blue water boat...then what is.
an IP 420
Joking aside that 420 is beautiful
Avoid the death spiral I endured.
Need ins for moorage.
Need survey for ins.
Need ins for outhaul.
Need outhaul for survey.
No one in the business side of the boating community have a damn that it was a family heirloom....was. God forgive them and help me to as well.
I'll never own a boat I can't do everything myself ever again. Makes me sick to my stomach after trying to save it for 7 years.
I wonder how many $250,000 sailboats are actually sold each year? If you watched this video and have $250K for a sailboat or knows somebody that spent that on a sailboat, chime in I’m curious. The value of my Catalina 30 wouldn’t pay the taxes on a boat like that….
Those are not sailboats.
THOSE ARE TRUE YACHTS!
Dude Swan, pacific seacraft
Didn't see any Deborah
#BoatBoss ;)
sorry no protection for the rudder
FYI, "salon" inpronounced "sa-lon," not "sa-loon."
I used to think that too, but it seems to be a regional thing and manufacturers use both words. I think either is legit at this point.
There are lot's of good boats out there for sale! A lot of us $250 Grand is too much, for several reasons. #1 Not necessary to spend it, some of us would be interested in a lower pricing video. Even if we can afford $250grand, why?? I saw you do the same thing with the couples boats. You went bigger, more money and assumed one needed more when in fact you had a solo boat that was an awesome couples boat for $40-50 grand less. More practical videos would be good.
For a Quarter Million can’t you get a catamaran
Catalina and blue water, not
Bottom line is that many "Sailor's" are still trapped in old memories, movies such as "pirates of the caribbean" and wrong told stories. FACT is that those "bluewater" vessels are a way overpriced load of rotten wood, covered in cracking glass with a catastrophic "repaired" electric, motors and plumbing.
People believe that their "vessel" MUST be good because they paid a ridiculous amount of money for it and told that this old stuff is made to "last".
I refuse to pay big dollars for a stinking old boat "just cause" they are "true bluewater" boats as told by ignorant people.
Besides the "getting a insurance" problem. The constant need for repairs.
People simply should pay close attention in what true Sailor's crossing oceans today. Many in self made tiny boats.
Some simply paddle. Some with modern style "modern "sports" boats.
The boating market has already started to get closer to reality. This is why now people with their old "drift wood" are trying to get rid of their junk as long as someone not knowing better, is willing to pay the dream price their hope to get.
ANY decant modern sailing vessels is absolutely capable to cross oceans with comfort , safety and style. It is hilarious to watch that most "Sailor's" using more their engineering that sails.
My recommendation is clear.
STAY AWAY FROM OLD STUFF.
NO mono hull becomes a hotel room.
Nothing is HUGE in a sailboat.
Anything HUGE becomes redundant as soo as the vessel heels and pitches as the same time. Ask around how much the mooring fees skyrocketing as soon as you go larger than 40ft.
Find out how the prices go up for the yearly crane, drydocking & paint.
Unless you want become one of those who own a BIG vessel but don't have the money to pay for a decant mooring, do yourself a favour.
STAY REALISTIC.
The world is changing.
@John Galt the chance to hit box in the ocean is same chance like winning a 13 million dollars lottery twice in a row.
Besides the fact that a old piece of "bluewater" sailboat will sink the same speed like all other wood/glass construction. Therfore, go metal.
I'm a bit unsure of what exactly means for old stuff.. How old? and what Stuff? However besides price tag above and below 40ft this is not relevant in the context of choosing a boat because it is up to the buyer and his budget not to us to judge.
Bluewater boat? Men and women be rowing it in 25ft boats for years.
too bad this is a US centric pov, for that money you can get an oyster 45, which would blow any of these boats out of the water
I have been looking for an Oyster. They are rediculously priced. Very few in the US. All have teak decks. I spoke with Oyster and they informed me that to replace the deck was $80,000 +/-. There is one Oyster 45 for sale on Yachtword in Antigua for $340K. The 47, a lengthened 45 (aft lockers added) are $350K and up. Great boats, compare to a Contest.
Seriously? Anyone that opens theirs eyes will understand that virtually any boat is “ blue water”. Your list doesn’t fit with reality.
Video for the rich and famous.... Wonderful cruising boats can be had for 20k..... And if she ever goes around you won't piss your g string.