Fantastic video, homeslice! I've been playing BF2 since I was four years old, and I've always been fascinated by the 501st journal! I loved the small nod to the Hong Kong freedom fighters getting past the Chinese internet restrictions in the beginning, btw
Yeah there's legit a really good video compilation out there on Kenobi's PTSD, but as for the Clones, they were bred so it didn't really affect them all that much
I like how it's advertised and applied that you are supposed to see the true fall of the empire through the eyes of an Imperial they could have made a better story by doing something similar to halo reach but instead of you dying at the end you have two options where you desert and escape jakku or die fighting the rebels
AccurateThings the Inferno Squad novel was pretty good for convincing them to switch sides but yeah too cliche. I mean if you’ve read Lost Stars then you already know that it’s a superior novel in every way. Even if you have Imperials switching sides.
Memento Mori So I hear, though tbf. You shouldn’t need to read another book in order to make the game feel less cliche, bad and weird. But glad to hear the novel doesn’t make the same mistake
The most impressive part of the original Battlefront 2's story for me was that, despite playing as the Empire in the second half, I never once felt like I was the villain of the story. The way the narrator frames Order 66 and the attack on the Yavin base throws everything into shades of grey.
Lets be honest though, the Rebellion was never the good guys in the Civil war, and the Empire was never the bad guys. They were both dark gray factions on opposite sides
Anti Symboi Ehhh. The empire did bad shit, don’t get me wrong. But the Rebellion ain’t clean either, Death star probably had citizens, their rebellion forced the Empire to crack down on them harder instead of just being lazy and on their arses which leads to the empire taking it out on Civvies. And groups like Saw Gerrora (think that’s how you type it?) were not beyond brutal interrogation and even questionably torture. Whatever they did to that pilot, it wouldn’t be allowed on Earth. And to top it all off, in legends they lead to basically a great war because of what they did. And in cannon they don’t arm themselves and are weak to being attacked by anyone, the fact that they have no military, even to deal with bigger pirate threats is concerning. Much less if they had to fight off anyone like the Yuu Zan vong (probably misspelt it), I’d love to see what their government structure is if their military is nonexistent. And finally, the First order only blew up all those planets because the Rebellion took them and couldn’t even defend them in the first place
Anti Symboi consider this, Palpatine in the old EU knew about the Yuzong Vong from Thrawn, hence all of the super weapons. The Empire might’ve been pretty corrupt, but at least everyone agreed to transition into the Empire, and it actually protected planets that were the north side of screwed during the Republic.
Or it could have been a different clone each time telling their own story because the ones before them are dying and they just so happen to be taking a journal too
There would be in game dialogues where your teammates would call you "Lieutenant" Jesse was a lieutenant before he became an ARC so my opinion that it was him narrating the 501st journal
Francisco Vazquez not all clones were like the 501 a lot of them were trained by mandos so a lot of them actually liked fighting and would even talk shit to little clones for not defending themselves bc they too had the same training and coulda protected themselves they believe
Francisco Vazquez but yeah anakin and a lot of the Jedi never really had nothing to do the sith were gone for 100 years a lot of them never even saw battle so it’s surprising a lot of them weren’t like anakin
I love how the journal hints at order 66. "If they could be fooled they could be killed" "We couldn't bare to look her in the eyes" "I hope her death came quick she earned that much" Such a good written story, even if the timeline was messed up.
I remember numerous times where I’m just capturing a command post, killed everyone before walkin up so im just sittin quietly watching the bar fill to captured. Then out of NO WHERE: *wrist rocket* and i’m dead
You know... Maybe "Just like in the Simulations" is supposed to be a dark joke to the Clones. As the first mission said, It was nothing like the simulations. Much more brutal and death came much quicker. And a very rare few would understand, thus the joke of "Just like the simulations", with a sarcastic tone attached.
@@lucapoquet8828 well I consider myself a sarcastic person and every job I've ever had when something goes terrible but we manage to fix it and work through it. I always said "Just another great at the best place on earth" it catches on everytime.
It's not uncommon for soldiers--especially elite soldiers like Marines (or clone troopers, in Star Wars)--to engage in bravado talk, especially while under enemy fire. There's this urge to act like it's no big deal, likely to both to calm others' nerves as well as one's own. Saying it's "just like the simulations" is an example of that.
mr voice ? This joke clearly doesn’t make sense and isn’t funny. this joke template is used for something that actually might be true, not just saying something completely ridiculous. Try again next time...
@@genericcommentarychannel5343 I love Fallen Order but Battlefront 2 (2005) makes that game look like a cash grab mobile game in comparison But that's just my opinion
If there's one thing to notice is how when the narrator gets to the imperial era his tone is cold and distant... However I still take Clones over regular people... *We never did get used to them*
I remember doing the Operation Knightfall mission for the first time so long ago. At first, I had a hard time doing it but eventually succeeded. Nowadays, while I can do it a bit easily and without much difficulty, I feel...sad and maybe a little regretful after completing it, possibly due to watching The Clone Wars.
This proves how awesome that game was, the feelings you had while playing is exactly what the clone troopers would have been going through during the operation.
“In recognition of our service and loyalty to the Emperor, the 501st were placed under the direct command of Lord Vader. Armed with deadly new weapons, blazing new ships, and shiny new armor, our presence let the galaxy know that the days of the Old Republic were well and truly over. We were establishing a new era, an era of order and peace. An era of The Empire."
@@codename1176 and ... you know the constant threat of rebellion and the last members of a fanatical cult to deal with? everyone seems to forget that part ^^
Hotaru I think if the empire had more competent people ruling ie Not Palpatine or Tarkin types more like Thrawn types able to understand how civilizations tick and keep them at least satisfied there wouldn’t have been as much threat of rebellion certainly there wouldn’t have been as many planets willing to give them aid. As I know your are talking about the Jedi being sarcastic let’s mention that there is nothing you can do about fanatics like Palpatine either they tear down good systems from outside or get inside and seize power instead of using their fanaticism to make healthier systems. To put it simply assholes had power and were breaking things the galaxy got upset and the decent hard working members of the empire get screwed by their Moff who wants more power. Before Disney took over the EU was a great example after papa Palpatine died Moffs all started breaking off and seizing their planets. Wasn’t until Dalla literally killed them all off that only the decent ones where left then Finally the Imperial remnant got good leaders starting with Gallead Palleaon and by the Legacy Era was growing back into an empire. Sorry for this long winded post the incompetence really winds me up.
Fun fact: In legends, the clones didn't have inhibitor chips. They were conditioned to be loyal to the republic and taught the various contingency orders.
I liked how the clones knew about order 66 and were looking forward to it. Instead of not knowing a thing. I loved how the clones were formally "Born as Betrayers"
Yeah but theres no character to them they're boring aside from the sad journals,the clone wars gave them personality and set them apart with character and have a brother to brother trust with some jedi like cody to obi wan and rex to anakin and some sad ones like the death of fives etc,
Like they need to have command chips to show personality you got to remember they were pretty much boring regimented into a very strict way of viewing things and then you got the way the Jedi's view things along what's the fact that yes they were indoctrinated from barefooty basically and you could have had the clone wars show with that as the story however it didn't make it darker because far fewer clones actually refused and a lot more did in the Legends material but also palpatine was nothing if not thorough with his evil plans so the chips do make sense their logically although I'm not sure which one would be darker the clothes without inhibit their chips doing order 66 all the same or the ones that were forced to if they had them
@@mergeads The Clone Wars show mainly follows several high up/notable clones (Rex, Cody, Wolffe, new ARCs, etc) that have a strong relationship with their Jedi Generals and then the viewers project that onto the normal rank and file clones when we don't have much to actually support that. It's more likely that the higherups were like TCW and the rank and file were like the 2003 clone wars/501st journal clones. PS. I know this is an old comment, sorry for the necro
I never liked the introduction of the chips. I personally liked the idea that the Clones simply followed orders. They were so well trained that they followed any of the special contingency orders to the letter without question. As one trooper put it, "the Jedi knew Order 66 existed. They were handed the manual for their slave army. Not our fault they never read it."
The chips make sense especially with the 501st who fought under Anakin. Anakin rarely ever followed orders “to the letter” the way clones were bred to, and you’d imagine that ‘creativity’ would rub off on them over a long period of time
@@great-wall-of-nowhere9377 In the Clone Commando books, one of the Null clones mentioned(this is after Order 66, the Null clones never figured out the chips) "Sure, us clones were bred to be obedient and for war. But theres no way all of the clones decided to murder their generals just because of the order."
@@kaxdra To be fair, if you have an outside perspective of Windu going to the chancellor's office, it does look like a legitimate coup. The Order 66 book of the Republic Commando series gave us a perspective we haven't been exposed to yet: the idea of Jedi and Sith turf war being an internal thing for the Jedi Order. Taken outside of that context, it really does look like the Jedi unlawfully attempting to either detain or, at worst, assassinate Palps without passing it through the oversight of the Senate which makes it look like the Jedi are overstepping their boundaries especially with how insular they are with their own matters. If anything, it legitimizes Order 66 and makes it look like, to us, an amazing stroke of manipulation on the part of Palps since he openly revealed his nature to Anakin knowing that the Jedi Order would jump at the opportunity to take down an active Sith Lord whom they believe was orchestrating the entire war.
My gut feeling is the "inhibitor chips" were added much later as a retcon to explain why all of these really cool Clones could willingly commit a genocide against their commanding officers who they fought and died with. For example, Cody does not seem like the type to just go "Lol. Bye, Obi." and just shoot him. And if Rex hadn't found out, his character would have been ruined. This game makes the 501st out to be more like the SS or NKVD. An armed unit serving directly under Space Hitler/Stalin that goes in to do the dirty work for him and get rid of political enemies when he is ready for them. Like all of the Clones knew exactly what Knightfall was and there wasn't a big moment where Palpatine needs to explain it to the player. They just kinda knew the Jedi were going to be killed at their hands and felt either supportive about it in the case of Mundi or disheartened in the case of Secura. But at the same time, they were "just following orders."
All clones when originally written knew about Order 66. They were just unnaturally loyal to Palpatine and could lie to a Jedis' face for years then shoot them in the back at a moments notice. They were agents of the Sith until The Clone Wars didn't want kids to be sad that their cartoon protagonists were cold hearted and brutal.
The clones were aware of order 66 as were the Jedi. The order was created in case the Jedi went rouge. There were orders of the same type for the chancellor, the senate, CSF, and GAR officers. The chancellor declared that the Jedi have gone rouge, and following lawful protocol, enacts order 66.
3:11 Soldiers died a LOT in training. Live fire training started early and realism was not abandoned to spare a life. Source: Kal Skirata, from the *Star Wars: Republic Commando* Book Series by Karen Traviss
I never liked the cerebral-chip thing, to me it sound so much more correct that the clones were simply train to execute the contigency ordres and simply went on with it. Plus it make explaining why some clones didn't executed the ordrer so much easier
K F I see the opposite, there’s only so much you can do with indoctrination and you are growing them, why you would you not slap a little chip in that compels them to do a set of orders on 99.999999999999 percent of clones.
@@luckysix1015 well considering the learning technics used ( flash training) and genetic engeenering it is totally credible to assume that its would actually work in 99.9% within regs tanks, which bring us to the second part of : if chips, then how do you explain thé non complience of some troops ? And what about RC and ARCs, and Null, do they have chips too ? If yes, why so many RC didn't complied with the order ? Did they knew about the chip ? How ? And if they didn't had chips, why ? I personnaly see it as more easy to coordonate all of that by simply explain that the contigengy orders were part of their basic and elemantal training and that they simply followed the plan as they were trained. Plus I believe it to be more fitting as well to how the clones are portrayed in all the materials we have. And finally, considering the way TCW showed us how the chip acted on the clone, it does look very off compared to what we see in ROTS.
K F I don’t know about legends but in canon only like 3 clones that we know disobeyed order 66 and its because they removed their chips. There was also commander Grey in the Kanan comic but he disobeyed weeks to months after the initial order, so we can’t even say if the chip was still active.
That was the fun thing about a lot of planets, you had to deal with the local populace/nature. Like you said on Felucia you had to deal with Acklays, or if you played as the empire on Endor you had to deal with Ewok’s, Jabba’s Palace both sides had to deal with the Gamorrean guards and the Rancor, in Mos Eisley you had neutral Jawa’s who’d build and repair shit. Just a lot of detail that was placed in such a game.
YES! thank you! people always say "oh galactic conquest and the multiplayer was fun, but god was the campaign boring", and i've always thought it was an amazing campaign, good to see someone showing why it was so good. :)
The way that the 501st clone refers to Aayla Secura, stating that: “It’s a good thing that we were wearing helmets because none of us could bare to look her in the eye.” Seems to be indicating that the clones had prior knowledge of Order 66 as the men of the 501st felt a level of remorse and sadness in regards to what was about to happen to Aayla. Can someone please clarify wether or not the clones consciously knew about Order 66 prior to Palpatine issuing it. NOTE: I know that the 501st account featured in this video is from Star Wars Battlefront which isn’t considered canon but I’d still like to know wether my observation holds any merit towards the actual canon timeline.
Yes they knew it also the jedi were handed a manual with all the executive orders. As one clone put it "The jedi were handed a manual for their slave army. It's not our fault they didn't read it."
The 501st Journal is more realistic. It would have been set up so that the clones would always be ready to turn on their Jedi generals at any opportune moment. If the inhibitor chip in one clone malfunctioned due to battle stress, then at least a few thousand other clones should have suffered similar effects throughout the war
Yeah I'm not happy about the way that they explained tups malfunction. I'm also not happy about how the clones didn't know about the contingency orders
They knew. Many clones hated the Jedi for wasting clone’s lives in war. Disney owns Star Wars now so we probably won’t ever get the realistic depiction of the clone wars that we deserve. With Temuera Morrison voicing the clones of course
Well originally there was an explanation it's called about the inhibitor chips they still always usually believed in following orders like almost obsessedly but the original explanation was well yeah they mostly just hated the Jedi way of approaching things in general
@@NotABot-px7ky from clone wars the explaination does indeed say they do....the horrible dream, the mission, order 66 at least, is well known to them, just that they cannot an will never be able to disobey it on their own is also built into it
Funny thing is in the movie there are two theorys about the scene of her death, that either she was so loved by her troopers that the pain it caused them reached master Yoda, or that they hated her so much that Yoda felt there anger being unleashed , either way its believed thats what tiped Yoda off that everything was going to hell
As a kid I absolutely loved this story and the fact they got the actor who played Jango Fett to voice this whole campaign. I wish we could have more Star Wars stories like this to play in video games.
Detachment to Migeto, detachment to Feluchia, detatment split off and given to ahsoka as its own battalion, Its a wonder there were any 501 members left to complete operation knightfall
I like how this is written from the perspective of the original canon; NO inhibitor chips and the clones knew Order 66 was coming. They gained confidence in Order 66 on Mygeeto, and they felt remorse on Felucia knowing what was about to come. Of course once they made a show featuring the clones they didn't want their kid show protagonists to willingly be traitors so they made up the inhibitor chip in one of The Clone Wars' weaker written ideas.
naw. in old eu the clone were droid-like emotionless drones that just followed every order they were given. They were kind of badass, but they were also boring, and felt no different than droids. In the clone wars they were fleshed out a lot more and the show made the clones seem like real people. That was one of the greatest things about the show. However with making them real people you have to wonder why they'd ALL kill their friends without a second hesitation. The inhibitor chip was 100% necessary, and they did it in the best way possible. I like both ideas and consider them in separate universes. None is inherently bad they're both done well its just personal preference.
AngryEchidna does palpatine want millions of clones knowing order 66 existed? seriously palpatine would never take that risk, inhibitor chips is sort of the thing palpatine needed against any clone who defected, making those 90% clones following orders into 100%
I just have one problem with it. How the fuck did the Jedi not know!? Clones are weak minded, easy to control with force persuasion. So how did not one Jedi not decide to read a clones mind? Not once did one grow curious about the army that came out of nowhere and decide to read ones mind? Or not over hearing them talking about it? Because you can not tell me they didn't talk about it with each other.
I'm glad that you covered the 501st journal on the Legends (aka Expanded Universe) side of the lore. However, I'd like to mention that the inhibitor chips were never part of Legends but were only introduced in our current Canon lore. In Legends, the Jedi weren't really all that chummy with their troops, making them disconnected to the clones. This is in stark contrast to FIloni's Clone Wars where we actually see the Jedi having good teamwork with their clone armies. On a side note, I was kinda hoping you were gonna mention about Aayla's death. As the Journal put it, "I hope she gets a quick death. That much, she deserved". Plot Twist: She didn't. She was shot in the back several times over by the Elite Star Corps, her own men. Her death was so bad that it made Yoda drop his cane as he felt it all the way from Kashykk. Kinda ironic that the clones that met her for a month or so had more sympathy towards her than the men that had fought alongside her since the start of the Clone Wars.
She was killed practically instantly, Bly knew where to aim. However after that she was riddled with blaster bolts, even when she was dead on the ground. Her death was swift but her execution has brutal in the extreme.
And we haven't even seen the darkest part of the 501st's time yet. That will come when we finally see the Siege of Mandalore, when Rex has to gun down his own brothers to get a dear friend to safety.
Feels so odd listening to Temeura Morrison voicing the clones. I've grown so used to Dee Bradley Baker doing it, that the original guy just feels strange.
Temuera is supreme, and the original. Baker does a shitty white-washed version of Morrison’s accent and its trash. Baker is the one that feels strange, and the movies and the Republic comics from 2002-2006 always made the clones look and act like they’re supposed to. I hate baker, Morrison is the OG and deserves to voice and portray his clones again. Idc wtf y’all have to say, Morrison is a million, billion times better than baker, and baker is just the dollar-menu cheap ass discount.
"You only liked the stormtroopers because of their armor" Well yes, and no, they're people too, and I think people just see star wars as the rebels vs the empire, good vs evil. And its just NOT. the Sith balanced the Jedi order, they needed eachother.
No, its definitely just good vs evil lol, and how one choose to be. A few stories may be framed in a more greyish area but the core concept is still there. We’ve seen time and time again that the galaxy do not need the Sith, nor does the Jedi need it. The Sith is a corrupt and selfish institution, like a plague, a harm to both the people of the galaxy and itself. The Force wanted most of the Jedi to be wiped because the Jedi Order too was corrupt and needed an overhaul. And that overhaul was succeeded by Luke, after Vader destroyed the Sith. Or at least that was the idea, until Palpatine/Snoke came back. But even with that, ultimately its the Jedi who survived in the end.
@@langletprolet8378 LOL, the Force wanted the Jedi wiped out because they were corrupt? When did it become sentient so that it was looking in on them and the Sith? You've been drinking the Mouse Kool-Aid too long!
@@jeck988 Sure, call people idiots just because disagreement about fiction lore. Real class. Anyhow, my opinion was based on George Lucas’ interviews. You can call me out on all the wrong details, at least that would be better than just calling names.
@@Slayer398 It’s been a thing for a long time which is why you hear the characters say things like “the will of the Force”. The Force dictating the events of the SW universe is common knowledge of SW lore by this point that I’m surprised by your reply. It’s literally a plot point of the Knights of the Old Republic 2 game.
As silly as this sounds when compared to real life Felucia still scares me ten years after I beat BF2. The explosions, the implacable droids hunting you through the fungal forest, the shrieks of the Acklays and the low visibility still make me grit my teeth thinking about it.
I used to always restart the mission if i died, so it would just always be the same soldier who was talking. In that playthrough i didnt even play as the heros/villains so i would continue playing as the protagonist. But I allowed myself to change classes bc a clone could always just pick up stuff from a dead brother, so I often chose the republic jet trooper. I really love that class, because whenever you get enough kills with their pistol, you would basically end up with jango fett because of the upgrade you get. Operation nightfall was the worst... especially killing the 3 jedi masters. After that I would say Hoth. Next would be either the space missions where you have to board the enemy ship or the death star mission, because I just got lost in the hallways a lot.
I really hope the Battlefront modding community makes a mod that adds more to the Battlefront 2 (2005) campaign. Maybe we include Mos Eisley, Dagobah, Endor, Jabba's Place, and other modded maps like Bespin, Rhen Var, Kothlis, other Tatooine maps (maybe Tatooine: City Attack), some other variants on Mustafar, and some more maps.
First off they didn’t have inhibitors chips in the legends versions (which is this) they were just extremely loyal to the newly formed empire and palps. In legends the rate of clones defecting was also higher. 90% of ARCs just up and left becoming bounty hunters, mandalorians, or just running for a new life. Omega squad even defected and another squad of commandos. Even remaining null arcs and alphas like Fordo which isn’t in the new clone wars for some reason even tho him and his munillist 10 tipped the scales of the war multiple times
I think the Canonical order issue can be explained away as it being an old man remembering his experiences and writing them all down. I always felt like the 501st Journal was an old clone telling some new recruits his war stories after they said something about a rough battle. Something like "There has been worse, let me tell you so you can learn from my experiences."
The order of events in the campaign does make sense if you accept the notion that in the old EU the 501st operated in small special operations detachments spread across the Grand Army, which allows them to be many places at once. It doesn't all have to be one single Clone's journal entries, but a collaborative journal from multiple members
The Kaminoans absolutely killed clones during training sessions. Yeah, the sub-par ones were killed outside of training, but in the Republic Commando books, Darman talks quite a few times about brothers dying during training.
How about a video discussing the voice difference between the unknown trooper's voice and that of the announcer and clones in game? That and a part two would be awesome.
This makes me think that Anakin Skywalker kid in the house full control of the five-oh-first legion I was only granted a small part of it even Captain Rex only had control of torrent company just think that groups within the five-oh-first were sent on Black Ops missions
Jesus I was saying this out through the microphone while pushing carts at my job is this really what came out I'm surprised any of you figure out what I was talkin about
A point about Mygeeto and Felucia, it seems the 501st knew of order 66 way before it came to pass, while the animated series states the clones had no clue about it
Well. In Legends, Order 66 was a contingency order out of 150 that they all had been taught as part of their training on Kamino while in Canon, such as TCW, the clones knew nothing about Order 66 (except of a few like Fives, Rex, the Bad Batch etc.) as the inhibitor-chips are implanted in their brains. And Order 66 could be just a standalone order in TCW/Canon and the contingency orders in general maybe don't exist there.
I love the felucia journal regarding master secura. The clone stated they couldn’t bear look her in the eye knowing she would be killed by many of the clones who’s love and respect she earned through her leadership in the hell that was felucia. The duality of the statement speaks volumes
I see the Knightfall bit differently. I took it as they knew their whole purpose is completed after this last mission. What happens next? Last mission which will be the most demanding and risky fight for the 501st or any battalion to be honest. They all knew and had witnessed what Jedi are capable for, especially 501st whom had followed the chosen one, General Skywalker and his Padawan Ahsoka Tano, this little teenage girl who was capable of standing her ground against Jedi killing maniac cyborg general who had killed hundreds of Jedi by himself and she was teenager. What's inside the temple? Masters with decades, even centuries of training under their belt. The mental preparation for such battle even with any emotional ties towards the enemy would be very silent ride alone. Now they had to follow order to kill their allies and even friends. I mean, at this point who says Star Wars ain't art? That portion of the video was a masterpiece of a psychological war story done by few lines and proper delivery.
If they do another live action Star Wars show, it should be about clones. The three coolest candidates for me are arc troopers, republic commandos, or a show on a specific division of the clones, like maybe a coruscant guard show. Imagine getting to see arc troopers jump off a gunship in live action, it would be awesome.
Order 66, Operation Knightfall, The Galactic Empire, and The Galactic Civil War could have been prevented if Anakin only listened to Fives. Let that Sink in.
The one thing I've never liked about the journal is the nonsensical claim that 501st took part in EVERY battle we see in episodes 2 and 3. The battles of Mygeeto and Kashyyyk for instance happen simultaneously with the battle of Utapau, and Knightfall takes place shortly after Utapau and while the other two are still in full motion. And then they are also supposedly at Coruscant at the start of ep3? They simply couldn't have done it all.
@@user-dg2ub7rn8i Not when you consider that Palpatine manipulated the entire thing; he was the one truly in charge but had the Jedi on the front lines during the Clone Wars.
I really like this take on the clones. It’s so gritty and pessimistic, it really paints a grim picture of the true nature of the Clone Wars. However this could be my personal bias, but I vastly prefer The Clone Wars tv show’s portrayal of the clones. Yeah it’s a lot more kid friendly, but the clones felt like they had so much more humanity to them. They felt like unique people, and I always loved the way they were used to re-contextualize Anakin Skywalker‘s character in the prequel trilogy era. You see he deeply cared about his troops, always leading the charge, never having them take risks he wasn’t willing to take personally, as well as forming friendships with them, often risking his life to save individual troopers. I really love how compelling it makes the tragedy of the clones, as when you boil it down, they are the victims of the clone wars. These soldiers Who valued their individuality more than anything had it stripped away from them and turned into nothing more mindless droids.
I would disagree about the part where you say that no trooper died, there's mentions of clones killed during live-fire training simulations on Kamino, notably in the Republic Commando books serie ( which i highly recommand to any Star Wars fan who didn't yet got their hands on it )
Ngl, I’m kinda wondering if the clone is an actual unknown clone, or if he’s one of the few generation 1 501st clones who survived the fighting. There weren’t that many by the end of the war.
I have a theory on the 501st journal I think it’s not just one clone at all these battles but multiple clones accounts in the war that fixes the timeline problems
The big thing about the early part is Remember. The legends clones had no inhibitors. They knew they were going to kill the Jedi. Many had jango memories about the Jedi. Most knew it was one of palpatine s options. But the clones did know they weren’t loyal. Which is why they couldn’t look aayla in the eye. They also were bred to follow any order without question meaning they would do any dumb thing they were told
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YES!!! Please do another video about the rest of the 501st missions from that game with more details about each one just like you did here !!!
Fantastic video, homeslice! I've been playing BF2 since I was four years old, and I've always been fascinated by the 501st journal!
I loved the small nod to the Hong Kong freedom fighters getting past the Chinese internet restrictions in the beginning, btw
"An army large enough to capture 3 star systems".
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@@patriot17764th Just like the simulations
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Dude, the PTSD these guys must have had to endure because of the war.. I think kenobi got PTSD big time
Yeah there's legit a really good video compilation out there on Kenobi's PTSD, but as for the Clones, they were bred so it didn't really affect them all that much
Geetsly's yeah. I guess I didn’t think of that aspect as much With the clones 😂
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Geetsly's yeah, it's called obi -wan has PTSD and I highly recommend watching it as it was the only one to bring me on the verge of tears
Likey bad
Meanwhile, in the other Battlefront II:
"Hey guys, let's join the rebels."
"K."
Fuck battlefront 2’s “story”
Good thing the multiplayer is good
I like how it's advertised and applied that you are supposed to see the true fall of the empire through the eyes of an Imperial they could have made a better story by doing something similar to halo reach but instead of you dying at the end you have two options where you desert and escape jakku or die fighting the rebels
And they switched so easily! It was so cliche, the whole way
AccurateThings the Inferno Squad novel was pretty good for convincing them to switch sides but yeah too cliche. I mean if you’ve read Lost Stars then you already know that it’s a superior novel in every way. Even if you have Imperials switching sides.
Memento Mori So I hear, though tbf. You shouldn’t need to read another book in order to make the game feel less cliche, bad and weird. But glad to hear the novel doesn’t make the same mistake
The most impressive part of the original Battlefront 2's story for me was that, despite playing as the Empire in the second half, I never once felt like I was the villain of the story. The way the narrator frames Order 66 and the attack on the Yavin base throws everything into shades of grey.
Lets be honest though, the Rebellion was never the good guys in the Civil war, and the Empire was never the bad guys. They were both dark gray factions on opposite sides
@@marcusromulus5646 That literally could not be more wrong, buddy. The empire were textbook mustache twirling villains.
I didn't feel that way. I felt a pang of guilt for every rebel I killed in-game.
Anti Symboi Ehhh. The empire did bad shit, don’t get me wrong. But the Rebellion ain’t clean either, Death star probably had citizens, their rebellion forced the Empire to crack down on them harder instead of just being lazy and on their arses which leads to the empire taking it out on Civvies. And groups like Saw Gerrora (think that’s how you type it?) were not beyond brutal interrogation and even questionably torture. Whatever they did to that pilot, it wouldn’t be allowed on Earth. And to top it all off, in legends they lead to basically a great war because of what they did. And in cannon they don’t arm themselves and are weak to being attacked by anyone, the fact that they have no military, even to deal with bigger pirate threats is concerning. Much less if they had to fight off anyone like the Yuu Zan vong (probably misspelt it), I’d love to see what their government structure is if their military is nonexistent. And finally, the First order only blew up all those planets because the Rebellion took them and couldn’t even defend them in the first place
Anti Symboi consider this, Palpatine in the old EU knew about the Yuzong Vong from Thrawn, hence all of the super weapons. The Empire might’ve been pretty corrupt, but at least everyone agreed to transition into the Empire, and it actually protected planets that were the north side of screwed during the Republic.
Always wondered who the Unknown 501st soldier was. Even if you’d died in mission you’d wonder who was narrating if he just got shot taking a CP lmao
Ik right
I would assume the final soldier you're playing as in each map is the trooper in question. It would at least depict him as a surviving member.
OlympianAndrew I like to think that he was a “nobody”
Or it could have been a different clone each time telling their own story because the ones before them are dying and they just so happen to be taking a journal too
There would be in game dialogues where your teammates would call you "Lieutenant"
Jesse was a lieutenant before he became an ARC so my opinion that it was him narrating the 501st journal
Of all the classic games being remastered, this one gets ignored. Such a tragedy.
I honestly had high hopes for modern battlefront 2.
@Overkill XJ Seems about right
Agreed
They won't do it because EAfront 2 would lose players
Star wars empire at war is not being remastered too
Geetsly: "Should there be a part two?"
The fans: "Do it."
No, you mean "Dew it!"
Dew it!
D E W I T
DEW IIIIT
Dewit.
501st: *piloting ships and dieing during Battle of Coruscant by the dozens*
At the same time, Anakin: *"This is where the fun begins."*
Francisco Vazquez not all clones were like the 501 a lot of them were trained by mandos so a lot of them actually liked fighting and would even talk shit to little clones for not defending themselves bc they too had the same training and coulda protected themselves they believe
Francisco Vazquez but yeah anakin and a lot of the Jedi never really had nothing to do the sith were gone for 100 years a lot of them never even saw battle so it’s surprising a lot of them weren’t like anakin
Took all the credit too.
@@CT--og4iv what does he watch CloneTube?, did they do a top 10 coolest clones and pilest were left out? haha
To be fair, Anakin took down an entire trade federation mothership and won a podracing race as a small child. He's kind of a god behind the stick.
I love how the journal hints at order 66.
"If they could be fooled they could be killed"
"We couldn't bare to look her in the eyes"
"I hope her death came quick she earned that much"
Such a good written story, even if the timeline was messed up.
Personal vs orders
Meanwhile, Bly is just like "FIRE EVERYTHING!"
House Slippers How was the timeline messed up?
@CABRALFAN27 He did that intentionally to kill her quickly so she wouldn’t suffer.
well... not so much hinting, as screaming -_-
Felucia: space Vietnam
Kashyyk: *space D-Day*
Umbara: *REAL SPACE 'NAM*
Nah Felucia is Space Australia
Second battle of geonosis was space d day to me
Squiddle nah
Space d day was the second Geonosis battle
@@MrAnt-sf2sk nah, more like desert storm on drugs
Nah nah y’all all wrong geonosis is space Iraq
my childhood gets hit right in the feels whenever I hear your intro or see one of these two old battlefronts 😢
Clone: Then it become a battle, a winnable battle
Also clone: Watch those wrist rockets!!
That's a super!
@@CommanderAdis good thing you're on our side !
I remember numerous times where I’m just capturing a command post, killed everyone before walkin up so im just sittin quietly watching the bar fill to captured. Then out of NO WHERE: *wrist rocket* and i’m dead
Seconds later
HHSHAHAHAHAHAH Shoto lightsaber goees beeeewm
You know... Maybe "Just like in the Simulations" is supposed to be a dark joke to the Clones. As the first mission said, It was nothing like the simulations. Much more brutal and death came much quicker.
And a very rare few would understand, thus the joke of "Just like the simulations", with a sarcastic tone attached.
The clones usualy say that when they kill a lot of droids so i don’t think so but why not
@@lucapoquet8828 well I consider myself a sarcastic person and every job I've ever had when something goes terrible but we manage to fix it and work through it. I always said "Just another great at the best place on earth" it catches on everytime.
It's not uncommon for soldiers--especially elite soldiers like Marines (or clone troopers, in Star Wars)--to engage in bravado talk, especially while under enemy fire. There's this urge to act like it's no big deal, likely to both to calm others' nerves as well as one's own. Saying it's "just like the simulations" is an example of that.
Who would win?
A clone trooper
Or
A unwatched wrist rocket
Noah Eley have to watch em
To be fair I died alot to them when I didnt see them lol
If a Wrist Rocket can total an AT-RT then I'd say we better watch them.
Have probably hundreds of hours in the PS2 version but never once got hit by those wrist rockets
Its always the one you dont see coming
"It's a good thing we were all wearing helmets... None of us could look her in the eyes."
Oof...
Plot twist:the helmets ARE their eyes
mr voice ? This joke clearly doesn’t make sense and isn’t funny. this joke template is used for something that actually might be true, not just saying something completely ridiculous. Try again next time...
@@edyfreitas67 I don't know what was going through my mind when I wrote that
Why couldn’t they look her in the eyes? I never understood that one part
@@themasterchiefozzy Because they were ashamed of themselves for letting her walk to her death, despite how well she'd done for them.
It’s a damn shame this masterpiece never got a remaster, it’s still better than EA’s Star Wars games
A hundred times yes
Even Jedi Fallen Order?
I always said that theyjust had to remaster this masterpiece with the shiny new graphics, mabye some Skins, new Maps. That would be heavenly.
@@olafgurke4699 Check out Moddb for the remaster project. The creator did some great work breathing life into the game
@@genericcommentarychannel5343 I love Fallen Order but Battlefront 2 (2005) makes that game look like a cash grab mobile game in comparison
But that's just my opinion
If there's one thing to notice is how when the narrator gets to the imperial era his tone is cold and distant...
However I still take Clones over regular people...
*We never did get used to them*
I remember doing the Operation Knightfall mission for the first time so long ago. At first, I had a hard time doing it but eventually succeeded. Nowadays, while I can do it a bit easily and without much difficulty, I feel...sad and maybe a little regretful after completing it, possibly due to watching The Clone Wars.
Maho! It is I! The great Katyusha!
Panzer Vor!
This proves how awesome that game was, the feelings you had while playing is exactly what the clone troopers would have been going through during the operation.
Execute order77 ( no emotions against Jedi made it up)
I still struggle with the library section but once ani gets done slaughtering the younglings it gets way easier
0:20
That art is just so badass
Basic star wars fan : "Aayla Secura is hot."
Battlefront 2 vets : *making a military salute while crying*
Don't forget the fans who read through her adventures in the Republic comics alongside her master Quinlan Vos.
Averege star wars fan vs averege battlefront 2 enjoyer
She was dating Kit fisto in the comics as well
She is tho
“In recognition of our service and loyalty to the Emperor, the 501st were placed under the direct command of Lord Vader. Armed with deadly new weapons, blazing new ships, and shiny new armor, our presence let the galaxy know that the days of the Old Republic were well and truly over. We were establishing a new era, an era of order and peace. An era of The Empire."
"THE REPUBLIC WILL BE REORGANIZED. INTO THE FIRST. GALACTIC. EMPIRE!!"
A Jade Rabbit “I love democracy. I love the Republic”
Jaela Aurelius except the empire had to many ways for snakes to rise the power instead of competent people
@@codename1176 and ... you know the constant threat of rebellion and the last members of a fanatical cult to deal with?
everyone seems to forget that part ^^
Hotaru I think if the empire had more competent people ruling ie Not Palpatine or Tarkin types more like Thrawn types able to understand how civilizations tick and keep them at least satisfied there wouldn’t have been as much threat of rebellion certainly there wouldn’t have been as many planets willing to give them aid. As I know your are talking about the Jedi being sarcastic let’s mention that there is nothing you can do about fanatics like Palpatine either they tear down good systems from outside or get inside and seize power instead of using their fanaticism to make healthier systems. To put it simply assholes had power and were breaking things the galaxy got upset and the decent hard working members of the empire get screwed by their Moff who wants more power. Before Disney took over the EU was a great example after papa Palpatine died Moffs all started breaking off and seizing their planets. Wasn’t until Dalla literally killed them all off that only the decent ones where left then Finally the Imperial remnant got good leaders starting with Gallead Palleaon and by the Legacy Era was growing back into an empire. Sorry for this long winded post the incompetence really winds me up.
"If they can be fooled, they can be killed"
I see what they did there
TheKenji2221 it bleeds we can kill it
Hints at Order 66. People need to remember, in legends THEY ALWAYS KNEW about Order 66 from the very start. It was just another order they might do.
"If it bleeds, we can kill it"
Fun fact: In legends, the clones didn't have inhibitor chips. They were conditioned to be loyal to the republic and taught the various contingency orders.
I freaking love classic battlefront the nostalgia It's so good
I liked how the clones knew about order 66 and were looking forward to it. Instead of not knowing a thing. I loved how the clones were formally "Born as Betrayers"
Yeah but theres no character to them they're boring aside from the sad journals,the clone wars gave them personality and set them apart with character and have a brother to brother trust with some jedi like cody to obi wan and rex to anakin and some sad ones like the death of fives etc,
to me this was the better build up than the command chip showing the darkerside and tragic side to the clones
Like they need to have command chips to show personality you got to remember they were pretty much boring regimented into a very strict way of viewing things and then you got the way the Jedi's view things along what's the fact that yes they were indoctrinated from barefooty basically and you could have had the clone wars show with that as the story however it didn't make it darker because far fewer clones actually refused and a lot more did in the Legends material but also palpatine was nothing if not thorough with his evil plans so the chips do make sense their logically although I'm not sure which one would be darker the clothes without inhibit their chips doing order 66 all the same or the ones that were forced to if they had them
@@mergeads The Clone Wars show mainly follows several high up/notable clones (Rex, Cody, Wolffe, new ARCs, etc) that have a strong relationship with their Jedi Generals and then the viewers project that onto the normal rank and file clones when we don't have much to actually support that. It's more likely that the higherups were like TCW and the rank and file were like the 2003 clone wars/501st journal clones.
PS. I know this is an old comment, sorry for the necro
@@mergeads
Which makes no sense at all. They are clones, they should all have the same personality.
I never liked the introduction of the chips. I personally liked the idea that the Clones simply followed orders. They were so well trained that they followed any of the special contingency orders to the letter without question. As one trooper put it, "the Jedi knew Order 66 existed. They were handed the manual for their slave army. Not our fault they never read it."
I don't disagree with you, but the chips give us the ability to forgive the clones for what they did.
@@NotABot-px7ky I feel like the chips were the final insurance. Clones are well bred but in an army of millions you can't be sure 100%.
The chips make sense especially with the 501st who fought under Anakin. Anakin rarely ever followed orders “to the letter” the way clones were bred to, and you’d imagine that ‘creativity’ would rub off on them over a long period of time
@@great-wall-of-nowhere9377 In the Clone Commando books, one of the Null clones mentioned(this is after Order 66, the Null clones never figured out the chips) "Sure, us clones were bred to be obedient and for war. But theres no way all of the clones decided to murder their generals just because of the order."
@@kaxdra To be fair, if you have an outside perspective of Windu going to the chancellor's office, it does look like a legitimate coup. The Order 66 book of the Republic Commando series gave us a perspective we haven't been exposed to yet: the idea of Jedi and Sith turf war being an internal thing for the Jedi Order.
Taken outside of that context, it really does look like the Jedi unlawfully attempting to either detain or, at worst, assassinate Palps without passing it through the oversight of the Senate which makes it look like the Jedi are overstepping their boundaries especially with how insular they are with their own matters.
If anything, it legitimizes Order 66 and makes it look like, to us, an amazing stroke of manipulation on the part of Palps since he openly revealed his nature to Anakin knowing that the Jedi Order would jump at the opportunity to take down an active Sith Lord whom they believe was orchestrating the entire war.
The only the thing about the classic bf2 campaign is that it seems the clones almost seemed aware of order 66 but that could just be me
They were in classic bf2. The chips didnt exist and they knew about the order.
co op campaign was great when either one have to be the hero Jedi for Order 66...
My gut feeling is the "inhibitor chips" were added much later as a retcon to explain why all of these really cool Clones could willingly commit a genocide against their commanding officers who they fought and died with. For example, Cody does not seem like the type to just go "Lol. Bye, Obi." and just shoot him. And if Rex hadn't found out, his character would have been ruined.
This game makes the 501st out to be more like the SS or NKVD. An armed unit serving directly under Space Hitler/Stalin that goes in to do the dirty work for him and get rid of political enemies when he is ready for them. Like all of the Clones knew exactly what Knightfall was and there wasn't a big moment where Palpatine needs to explain it to the player. They just kinda knew the Jedi were going to be killed at their hands and felt either supportive about it in the case of Mundi or disheartened in the case of Secura. But at the same time, they were "just following orders."
All clones when originally written knew about Order 66. They were just unnaturally loyal to Palpatine and could lie to a Jedis' face for years then shoot them in the back at a moments notice. They were agents of the Sith until The Clone Wars didn't want kids to be sad that their cartoon protagonists were cold hearted and brutal.
The clones were aware of order 66 as were the Jedi. The order was created in case the Jedi went rouge. There were orders of the same type for the chancellor, the senate, CSF, and GAR officers. The chancellor declared that the Jedi have gone rouge, and following lawful protocol, enacts order 66.
3:11 Soldiers died a LOT in training. Live fire training started early and realism was not abandoned to spare a life.
Source: Kal Skirata, from the *Star Wars: Republic Commando* Book Series by Karen Traviss
Only for Commandos am I right?
@@212th Maybe? I guess the others got "flash training," huh?
Geetslys: Why the 501st journal is so dark
Geetslys: Covers a third of it
The 501st journal is better than the inhibitor chips
Even with the Journal I can’t see the clones actually following through after the clone wars cartoon.
I never liked the cerebral-chip thing, to me it sound so much more correct that the clones were simply train to execute the contigency ordres and simply went on with it.
Plus it make explaining why some clones didn't executed the ordrer so much easier
K F I see the opposite, there’s only so much you can do with indoctrination and you are growing them, why you would you not slap a little chip in that compels them to do a set of orders on 99.999999999999 percent of clones.
@@luckysix1015 well considering the learning technics used ( flash training) and genetic engeenering it is totally credible to assume that its would actually work in 99.9% within regs tanks, which bring us to the second part of : if chips, then how do you explain thé non complience of some troops ? And what about RC and ARCs, and Null, do they have chips too ? If yes, why so many RC didn't complied with the order ?
Did they knew about the chip ? How ? And if they didn't had chips, why ?
I personnaly see it as more easy to coordonate all of that by simply explain that the contigengy orders were part of their basic and elemantal training and that they simply followed the plan as they were trained.
Plus I believe it to be more fitting as well to how the clones are portrayed in all the materials we have.
And finally, considering the way TCW showed us how the chip acted on the clone, it does look very off compared to what we see in ROTS.
K F I don’t know about legends but in canon only like 3 clones that we know disobeyed order 66 and its because they removed their chips. There was also commander Grey in the Kanan comic but he disobeyed weeks to months after the initial order, so we can’t even say if the chip was still active.
I still have Felucia PTSD... Those giant-six legged creatures are in my nightmares...
Hide under the AT-TE
Play as an engineer. Drop a detpack and blow them up.
Don’t worry Aayla will protect you. Oh wait
That was the fun thing about a lot of planets, you had to deal with the local populace/nature. Like you said on Felucia you had to deal with Acklays, or if you played as the empire on Endor you had to deal with Ewok’s, Jabba’s Palace both sides had to deal with the Gamorrean guards and the Rancor, in Mos Eisley you had neutral Jawa’s who’d build and repair shit. Just a lot of detail that was placed in such a game.
They’re called Acklays
YES! thank you! people always say "oh galactic conquest and the multiplayer was fun, but god was the campaign boring", and i've always thought it was an amazing campaign, good to see someone showing why it was so good. :)
Dam near the best campaign I've ever played
Heck yes. Totally go for a second video about this from the Galactic Civil War era. It's always fun to talk about the PS2 Battlefront II game. :)
6:42 PTSD Sets in
Some folks are born, made to wave the flag
@@icanfly7038 Felucia sure wasn’t Fortunate
I preferred it when they didnt have inhibitor chips it made that so much darker and so much more there in a way.
The way that the 501st clone refers to Aayla Secura, stating that: “It’s a good thing that we were wearing helmets because none of us could bare to look her in the eye.” Seems to be indicating that the clones had prior knowledge of Order 66 as the men of the 501st felt a level of remorse and sadness in regards to what was about to happen to Aayla. Can someone please clarify wether or not the clones consciously knew about Order 66 prior to Palpatine issuing it.
NOTE: I know that the 501st account featured in this video is from Star Wars Battlefront which isn’t considered canon but I’d still like to know wether my observation holds any merit towards the actual canon timeline.
Yes they knew it also the jedi were handed a manual with all the executive orders. As one clone put it "The jedi were handed a manual for their slave army. It's not our fault they didn't read it."
The Canon timeline has no merit at all.
Not the Disney canon, but it held a great deal in common with the legends timeline
The 501st Journal is more realistic. It would have been set up so that the clones would always be ready to turn on their Jedi generals at any opportune moment. If the inhibitor chip in one clone malfunctioned due to battle stress, then at least a few thousand other clones should have suffered similar effects throughout the war
Yeah I'm not happy about the way that they explained tups malfunction. I'm also not happy about how the clones didn't know about the contingency orders
They knew. Many clones hated the Jedi for wasting clone’s lives in war. Disney owns Star Wars now so we probably won’t ever get the realistic depiction of the clone wars that we deserve. With Temuera Morrison voicing the clones of course
Yea but, if they just shot Jedi then why would they attack Anakin, Ahsoka, Plo Koon and Yoda?
All of them would die for their men and vice Versa.
Well originally there was an explanation it's called about the inhibitor chips they still always usually believed in following orders like almost obsessedly but the original explanation was well yeah they mostly just hated the Jedi way of approaching things in general
@@NotABot-px7ky from clone wars the explaination does indeed say they do....the horrible dream, the mission, order 66 at least, is well known to them, just that they cannot an will never be able to disobey it on their own is also built into it
"When her death came, I hope it was quick. She earned that much."
Fucking haunting
Funny thing is in the movie there are two theorys about the scene of her death, that either she was so loved by her troopers that the pain it caused them reached master Yoda, or that they hated her so much that Yoda felt there anger being unleashed , either way its believed thats what tiped Yoda off that everything was going to hell
@@giannicolamatteo8155I think it was the pain from the heartbroken troopers.
As a kid I absolutely loved this story and the fact they got the actor who played Jango Fett to voice this whole campaign. I wish we could have more Star Wars stories like this to play in video games.
Detachment to Migeto, detachment to Feluchia, detatment split off and given to ahsoka as its own battalion, Its a wonder there were any 501 members left to complete operation knightfall
"What i remember about the rise of the empire is.... is how quiet it was." - 501st journal
I played this game so much and the campaign so often, I really loved it.
It’s so good to hear Temuera Morrison again.
He needs to come back and portray/voice the clones again. Like we need him to, he is our only hope
Well at least he’s back for Boba
I want to hear a 501st soldiers account of the Siege of Mandalore
half the ones who took part in it died in the Venator crash...
Dieselface there were still quite a few troopers left on Mandalore when Ahsoka left
@@EditedAF987 the other half were probably on coruscant, not entirely the 501st, unless the legion was just that big
@@mandolorian162 the 501st is stated to house over 14 thousand clones so...yeah
I like how this is written from the perspective of the original canon; NO inhibitor chips and the clones knew Order 66 was coming. They gained confidence in Order 66 on Mygeeto, and they felt remorse on Felucia knowing what was about to come. Of course once they made a show featuring the clones they didn't want their kid show protagonists to willingly be traitors so they made up the inhibitor chip in one of The Clone Wars' weaker written ideas.
This was made around the time of ROTS, republic commando and the Tartakovsky clone wars, so it wouldn't have TCW or Disney Star Wars plots.
naw. in old eu the clone were droid-like emotionless drones that just followed every order they were given. They were kind of badass, but they were also boring, and felt no different than droids. In the clone wars they were fleshed out a lot more and the show made the clones seem like real people. That was one of the greatest things about the show. However with making them real people you have to wonder why they'd ALL kill their friends without a second hesitation. The inhibitor chip was 100% necessary, and they did it in the best way possible. I like both ideas and consider them in separate universes. None is inherently bad they're both done well its just personal preference.
AngryEchidna does palpatine want millions of clones knowing order 66 existed? seriously palpatine would never take that risk, inhibitor chips is sort of the thing palpatine needed against any clone who defected, making those 90% clones following orders into 100%
@@StateOfTheMind11225 They acted as his personal servants in the original canon, they were written as purely loyal.
I just have one problem with it. How the fuck did the Jedi not know!? Clones are weak minded, easy to control with force persuasion. So how did not one Jedi not decide to read a clones mind? Not once did one grow curious about the army that came out of nowhere and decide to read ones mind? Or not over hearing them talking about it? Because you can not tell me they didn't talk about it with each other.
I'm glad that you covered the 501st journal on the Legends (aka Expanded Universe) side of the lore. However, I'd like to mention that the inhibitor chips were never part of Legends but were only introduced in our current Canon lore. In Legends, the Jedi weren't really all that chummy with their troops, making them disconnected to the clones. This is in stark contrast to FIloni's Clone Wars where we actually see the Jedi having good teamwork with their clone armies.
On a side note, I was kinda hoping you were gonna mention about Aayla's death. As the Journal put it, "I hope she gets a quick death. That much, she deserved". Plot Twist: She didn't. She was shot in the back several times over by the Elite Star Corps, her own men. Her death was so bad that it made Yoda drop his cane as he felt it all the way from Kashykk. Kinda ironic that the clones that met her for a month or so had more sympathy towards her than the men that had fought alongside her since the start of the Clone Wars.
That was a good death,quick swift and she didn't know it.Yoda dropped his stick due to all of the Jedi being killed at the same time
She was killed practically instantly, Bly knew where to aim. However after that she was riddled with blaster bolts, even when she was dead on the ground. Her death was swift but her execution has brutal in the extreme.
" I couldn't help but wonder why so many men had to die for a bunch of walking carpets." lol
And we haven't even seen the darkest part of the 501st's time yet. That will come when we finally see the Siege of Mandalore, when Rex has to gun down his own brothers to get a dear friend to safety.
Feels so odd listening to Temeura Morrison voicing the clones. I've grown so used to Dee Bradley Baker doing it, that the original guy just feels strange.
I love them both. Dee Bradley does a good job of giving each clone their own distinct personality, and temeura just sounds SO badass.
Baker is the better one
I wanna see republic commando books brought to life in some fashion on Disney+ with dee and Temura both voicing a different commando
Sounds better in my opinion.
Temuera is supreme, and the original. Baker does a shitty white-washed version of Morrison’s accent and its trash. Baker is the one that feels strange, and the movies and the Republic comics from 2002-2006 always made the clones look and act like they’re supposed to. I hate baker, Morrison is the OG and deserves to voice and portray his clones again. Idc wtf y’all have to say, Morrison is a million, billion times better than baker, and baker is just the dollar-menu cheap ass discount.
Let’s not forget the biggest struggle; protecting the bookcases in the Corasaunt mission.
I hated that mission as a kid
The key is to switch to the Engineer class and use their fusion cutter to repair at least one bookcase.
You know I just realized there is no reason to think the entire journal is by one clone. They all have the same voice, it could be multiple clones.
The story's sad as it is. But with Temuerra Morrissons voice over? That just SELLS it man
"You only liked the stormtroopers because of their armor"
Well yes, and no, they're people too, and I think people just see star wars as the rebels vs the empire, good vs evil. And its just NOT. the Sith balanced the Jedi order, they needed eachother.
No, its definitely just good vs evil lol, and how one choose to be. A few stories may be framed in a more greyish area but the core concept is still there. We’ve seen time and time again that the galaxy do not need the Sith, nor does the Jedi need it. The Sith is a corrupt and selfish institution, like a plague, a harm to both the people of the galaxy and itself. The Force wanted most of the Jedi to be wiped because the Jedi Order too was corrupt and needed an overhaul. And that overhaul was succeeded by Luke, after Vader destroyed the Sith. Or at least that was the idea, until Palpatine/Snoke came back. But even with that, ultimately its the Jedi who survived in the end.
Raga Bintang your an idiot if you think it’s that cut an dry. Look at Thrawn for a perfect example
@@langletprolet8378 LOL, the Force wanted the Jedi wiped out because they were corrupt? When did it become sentient so that it was looking in on them and the Sith? You've been drinking the Mouse Kool-Aid too long!
@@jeck988 Sure, call people idiots just because disagreement about fiction lore. Real class. Anyhow, my opinion was based on George Lucas’ interviews. You can call me out on all the wrong details, at least that would be better than just calling names.
@@Slayer398 It’s been a thing for a long time which is why you hear the characters say things like “the will of the Force”. The Force dictating the events of the SW universe is common knowledge of SW lore by this point that I’m surprised by your reply. It’s literally a plot point of the Knights of the Old Republic 2 game.
As silly as this sounds when compared to real life Felucia still scares me ten years after I beat BF2. The explosions, the implacable droids hunting you through the fungal forest, the shrieks of the Acklays and the low visibility still make me grit my teeth thinking about it.
I used to always restart the mission if i died, so it would just always be the same soldier who was talking. In that playthrough i didnt even play as the heros/villains so i would continue playing as the protagonist. But I allowed myself to change classes bc a clone could always just pick up stuff from a dead brother, so I often chose the republic jet trooper. I really love that class, because whenever you get enough kills with their pistol, you would basically end up with jango fett because of the upgrade you get.
Operation nightfall was the worst... especially killing the 3 jedi masters. After that I would say Hoth. Next would be either the space missions where you have to board the enemy ship or the death star mission, because I just got lost in the hallways a lot.
I really hope the Battlefront modding community makes a mod that adds more to the Battlefront 2 (2005) campaign. Maybe we include Mos Eisley, Dagobah, Endor, Jabba's Place, and other modded maps like Bespin, Rhen Var, Kothlis, other Tatooine maps (maybe Tatooine: City Attack), some other variants on Mustafar, and some more maps.
First off they didn’t have inhibitors chips in the legends versions (which is this) they were just extremely loyal to the newly formed empire and palps. In legends the rate of clones defecting was also higher. 90% of ARCs just up and left becoming bounty hunters, mandalorians, or just running for a new life. Omega squad even defected and another squad of commandos. Even remaining null arcs and alphas like Fordo which isn’t in the new clone wars for some reason even tho him and his munillist 10 tipped the scales of the war multiple times
Morrisons voice is absolutely amazing
LETS GET HIM TO VOICE AND POTRAY THE CLONES AGAIN
The Narrator is Commander Appo who took over after Captain Rex
Oh ok.
Can't be. He died shortly after the Republic fell, and this guys survived all the way to Hoth.
It’s not, it’s multiple clones sharing their experiences
I’m pretty sure this game was made before those comics came out.
Such amazing voice acting on Temuera's part!! Always liked to think that the soldier was Appo from the 501st, kindve fills in his story🙌🙌🙌🙌
I think the Canonical order issue can be explained away as it being an old man remembering his experiences and writing them all down. I always felt like the 501st Journal was an old clone telling some new recruits his war stories after they said something about a rough battle.
Something like "There has been worse, let me tell you so you can learn from my experiences."
Temuera Morrison is the freaken coolest
The order of events in the campaign does make sense if you accept the notion that in the old EU the 501st operated in small special operations detachments spread across the Grand Army, which allows them to be many places at once. It doesn't all have to be one single Clone's journal entries, but a collaborative journal from multiple members
i'd love a second part of this
The Kaminoans absolutely killed clones during training sessions. Yeah, the sub-par ones were killed outside of training, but in the Republic Commando books, Darman talks quite a few times about brothers dying during training.
How about a video discussing the voice difference between the unknown trooper's voice and that of the announcer and clones in game? That and a part two would be awesome.
"Was my diary going to cause online drama? Perhaps. But I said not a word about it. Not a word..."
This makes me think that Anakin Skywalker kid in the house full control of the five-oh-first legion I was only granted a small part of it even Captain Rex only had control of torrent company just think that groups within the five-oh-first were sent on Black Ops missions
Jesus I was saying this out through the microphone while pushing carts at my job is this really what came out I'm surprised any of you figure out what I was talkin about
Nope, couldn't decipher what you meant
A point about Mygeeto and Felucia, it seems the 501st knew of order 66 way before it came to pass, while the animated series states the clones had no clue about it
Well. In Legends, Order 66 was a contingency order out of 150 that they all had been taught as part of their training on Kamino while in Canon, such as TCW, the clones knew nothing about Order 66 (except of a few like Fives, Rex, the Bad Batch etc.) as the inhibitor-chips are implanted in their brains.
And Order 66 could be just a standalone order in TCW/Canon and the contingency orders in general maybe don't exist there.
“... and reduced the chancellor. Took all the credit too.” Love that Line
I love the felucia journal regarding master secura. The clone stated they couldn’t bear look her in the eye knowing she would be killed by many of the clones who’s love and respect she earned through her leadership in the hell that was felucia. The duality of the statement speaks volumes
I see the Knightfall bit differently. I took it as they knew their whole purpose is completed after this last mission. What happens next?
Last mission which will be the most demanding and risky fight for the 501st or any battalion to be honest.
They all knew and had witnessed what Jedi are capable for, especially 501st whom had followed the chosen one, General Skywalker and his Padawan Ahsoka Tano, this little teenage girl who was capable of standing her ground against Jedi killing maniac cyborg general who had killed hundreds of Jedi by himself and she was teenager. What's inside the temple? Masters with decades, even centuries of training under their belt.
The mental preparation for such battle even with any emotional ties towards the enemy would be very silent ride alone. Now they had to follow order to kill their allies and even friends.
I mean, at this point who says Star Wars ain't art? That portion of the video was a masterpiece of a psychological war story done by few lines and proper delivery.
They were lucky that Anakin took down the main threats and they were left dealing with non-combatant Jedi (healers, teachers, etc.)
Craziest part is that this single clone survived about 25 years, from the battle of Geonosis to the battle of Hoth, and presumably even longer.
Remember that clone trooper who got snatched up by a geonocian lol
Clone: “Nothing at all like the simulations on Kamino”
Also Clone: “Just like the simulations!”
I’d get PTSD too if I had to deal with those freaking Acklays...
Rancors and Sarlaccs on Felucia; Allow us to introduce ourselves.
If they do another live action Star Wars show, it should be about clones. The three coolest candidates for me are arc troopers, republic commandos, or a show on a specific division of the clones, like maybe a coruscant guard show. Imagine getting to see arc troopers jump off a gunship in live action, it would be awesome.
Well if you thought it was all flame-roses and sunshine
you're dead wrong, it was bloody. I lost lots of my brothers in this damn war!
Lol
You & your fallen brothers can take solice knowing you saved the Republic & built a great empire.
“It’s said that the 501st got the best of the war”
Ad: “But they never did…”
Order 66, Operation Knightfall, The Galactic Empire, and The Galactic Civil War could have been prevented if Anakin only listened to Fives. Let that Sink in.
Kelvin S. The Jedi stood in the way of peace
The greatest SW game of my life and childhood. Long live the Clones and rest in peace.
Second part would be greatly enjoyed I love the 501st journal and your breakdown is amazing and is exactly why I love the journal and your channel
Can we all recognize how good Temuera Morrison's voice acting is, anything with him in it has my full undivided attention.
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Inhibitor chips weren't a thing in the old EU though.
Inhibitor chips are just easy story telling for kids
I still find it amazing that there is so much more in a show/movie/game/comic series than there is the world almost
I _really_ wish I still had the original Star Wars Battlefront 2. Great video, though.
same...co op campaign was great for who get the most points to get a Jedi commander for survival of Order 66...
I have it, but unfortunately my little bro somehow scratched it while I was gone. Bought it on steam but haven't had a chance to play it
You guys know it's on Steam right?
@@ethanrobinson4672 and xbox one thru backwards compatbilty
It costs like 8 dollars on steam...
The one thing I've never liked about the journal is the nonsensical claim that 501st took part in EVERY battle we see in episodes 2 and 3. The battles of Mygeeto and Kashyyyk for instance happen simultaneously with the battle of Utapau, and Knightfall takes place shortly after Utapau and while the other two are still in full motion. And then they are also supposedly at Coruscant at the start of ep3? They simply couldn't have done it all.
"WATCH THOSE WRIST ROCKETS!"
I'm still happy that Aayla Secura, one of my favorite jedi had the respect of the 501st, one of my favorite clone divisions.
So, the clones were all... slaves, right? The republic army was an army of slaves? That's dark all by itself.
@@user-dg2ub7rn8i Not when you consider that Palpatine manipulated the entire thing; he was the one truly in charge but had the Jedi on the front lines during the Clone Wars.
I really like this take on the clones. It’s so gritty and pessimistic, it really paints a grim picture of the true nature of the Clone Wars.
However this could be my personal bias, but I vastly prefer The Clone Wars tv show’s portrayal of the clones. Yeah it’s a lot more kid friendly, but the clones felt like they had so much more humanity to them. They felt like unique people, and I always loved the way they were used to re-contextualize Anakin Skywalker‘s character in the prequel trilogy era. You see he deeply cared about his troops, always leading the charge, never having them take risks he wasn’t willing to take personally, as well as forming friendships with them, often risking his life to save individual troopers.
I really love how compelling it makes the tragedy of the clones, as when you boil it down, they are the victims of the clone wars. These soldiers Who valued their individuality more than anything had it stripped away from them and turned into nothing more mindless droids.
I would disagree about the part where you say that no trooper died, there's mentions of clones killed during live-fire training simulations on Kamino, notably in the Republic Commando books serie ( which i highly recommand to any Star Wars fan who didn't yet got their hands on it )
K F That's commandos, not regs.
@@GeneralGrievous-1138 i do strongly believe some major exercices were live-fire, correct me if wrong tho
K F I'll have to reread Republic Commando. No objections there :^)
Ngl, I’m kinda wondering if the clone is an actual unknown clone, or if he’s one of the few generation 1 501st clones who survived the fighting. There weren’t that many by the end of the war.
This was great, could you do a part two based on this Clone's experience with the Empire?
I have a theory on the 501st journal I think it’s not just one clone at all these battles but multiple clones accounts in the war that fixes the timeline problems
Tup says to 5s before he dies that he is free from the mission (order 66)
The big thing about the early part is Remember. The legends clones had no inhibitors. They knew they were going to kill the Jedi. Many had jango memories about the Jedi. Most knew it was one of palpatine s options. But the clones did know they weren’t loyal. Which is why they couldn’t look aayla in the eye. They also were bred to follow any order without question meaning they would do any dumb thing they were told
Definitely excited for clone wars season 7