Rudolf Bultmann and Karl Barth really had a very big influence over here in Germany with their liberal demythologization of the bible. I havent had any clue that they had so much impact even in the englisch speaking world too. I tought it was a local phenomenon here in german speaking parts of europe. I‘m very thankfull, that these times are over as we take further steps in science that has changed our world-view from a materialistic standpoint to the undestanding, that we don‘t live in a matter-based universe but rather in an information-based universe what let to many open minded scientist about god and supernatural events.
Argumentum ad populum is the hallmark of the imbecile, which makes Habermas a fully qualified imbecile. The so-called " resurrection" is *Utterly _irrelevant* to christianity because nothing that occurs *After* a teacher is (for himself) destroyed forever can possibly be relevant to what he taught*Before*he was (for himself) destroyed forever, but can that fool Habermas understand that? To ask that question is to answer it?
Simple question: Animals want to live their lives just like u do. U thank God for giving life to u & also for giving life to animals for u to take their lives & eat them. Don't u see how they've tricked you to believe in an imaginary God by fooling u to arrogantly ignoring your hypocrisy & narcissism?
Problem with skeptics is they really don’t want to believe cause they would have to change their lifestyle and focus on God instead of themselves, wealth, power, SIN and material things. They also do t want to believe because they think the books of the New Testament were written down too far from Jesus’s death and resurrection but they forget that the early Christians were already worshipping Jesus as God during and shortly after the resurrection and ascension of Jesus. Just because some were written years later doesn’t mean it’s not accurate, reliable or true! God bless
What they don’t realize is that God himself changes us. They think they have to do something they’re not able to do. It’s up to us to explain this to them so they don’t die hopeless.
Simple question: Animals want to live their lives just like u do. U thank God for giving life to u & also for giving life to animals for u to take their lives & eat them. Don't u see how they've tricked you to believe in an imaginary God by fooling u to arrogantly ignoring your hypocrisy & narcissism?
You don't need to have a doctorate in theology or to be a scholar to know God's plan and Jesus promises to those who put their trust in him.The apostle Paul clearly stated that if Jesus did not rose from the dead then there is no resurrection and therefore we (Christians who put their faith in Christ) are to be pitted!.I rather believe Paul and the rest of the apostles who claimed to be eyewitnesses of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ resurrection and ascension to heaven.If Jesus did not literally resurrected from the dead then the apostles were liars and deceivers, I don't think so!. The Gospel is based on this promise:to those who repent from their sins and put their faith in Jesus Christ, Jesus promised these 3 things: 1-their sins will be forgiven 2-They will be resurrected from the dead in a new incorruptible body and 3-will have eternal life in Gods kingdom!. Let God and Jesus Our Lord be truthful and faithful and let man be called a liar and deceitful.I for one choose to trust and believe the all Mighty all knowing God and his Holly Son Jesus Christ
@Christian Slayer God has never lied about the forgiveness of sins.. it was different in the Old Testamant and forgiveness in the New is solely on believing in the saving blood of Jesus Christ. He paid the price. none of us are worthy. We are all born into Adams seed/Noahs seed.. the seeds of rebellion.
@Christian Slayer If the resurrection of Jesus actually happened (hypothetically speaking), it is of infinite consequence for everyone. It matters whether or not this is true. I don't know what's going on in your head to make you think otherwise. I completely understand your skepticism of the resurrection having actually happened, but to think that it is of "no consequence to anyone" is silly.
The gospel of God which He Promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures Concerning His Son Jesus the Christ my Lord and Savior the only Savior of the world who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, declared to to be Son of God with power according to the Spirit of Holiness, by the resurrection of the dead.
What about the resurrection of the Dead (ek) out from which Jesus was raised? You are teaching the resurrection of Jesus only out of His own death. The Mystery is far deeper. How can you teach Matthew 27:51 and not the rest of that same text? You get a lot of "attaboys" for tickling ears, but if you don't teach the whole truth, you would be better off to not teach any of it. Teach all of the resurrection account Matthew 27:51-53 as one complete event. We have been taught the half-truth for 2ooo years. Your theological cemetery has buried the truth! Now let's hear the "rest of the story"! [Mat 27:51-53 KJV] 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Matthew 27:51-53 is one complete narrative. You must teach all of it together. You cannot omit 52 and 53 and preach 51 only. If we do, we deny the very completed redemptive work of Christ and substitute a false gospel. 52 and 53 are exactly the Work the Father sent His Son to accomplish. It is the fulfillment of Jeremiah 31:16. It is our only Blessed Hope through faith in His Redemption of Israel. [Jer 31:16 KJV] 16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy. (we see in Matthew 2:16-18 that they are the DEAD fulfilling vs 15 of Jer 31) If we miss this plain revelation of prophecy, we miss the Blessed hope found in verse 17 of Jer 31 Jer 31:17 KJV] 17 And there is hope in thine end, saith the LORD, that thy children shall come again to their own border. (Their own coasts from which they were murdered) Denial of this resurrection of the Dead Saints that slept is precisely where modern theological cemeteries bury the truth! This is where "replacement theology" comes in and pretends that the church on earth replaced Israel. This is what Peter warned about in 2 Peter 2:1. The false teachers would "deny the One Redeemer who REDEEMED THEM, the firstfruits of Israel with Him! This denial of the true resurrection was foretold by Simeon in Luke 2:34. [Luk 2:34 KJV] 34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this [child] is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; The word "rising again" should be translated "resurrection to life" as it is 41 other times in scripture. (Why the mistranslation?) As the one who claims to have the best understanding of the resurrection of Christ what will you do with this? Will you continue to "speak against" it as Simeon foretold? Or be renewed. Refute it from scripture if you can! Or repent and believe the gospel as we are commanded.
You can present all the historical individuals and the sources referring to them all you want.. no one is making claims of supernatural ability or events. The man, Jesus, may well have existed, but the claims of Divinity and supernatural ability to rise from the dead are not proven from texts written, especially ones like the four gospels which give fundamentally differing accounts of the ‘events’ leading up to to finding of an ‘empty tomb’ and the events after.
Not much of an argument. Just the same O same O of so many people believe it, it has to be true. I am dissapointed that someone with a phD can not come up with something better, no matter what he himself believes. For a more stringent case look at Richard Carrier (sceptic) or Bart Ehrman (believer) in the historicity and ressurection of Jesus.
@Ali Ali Yes I agree he is an agnostic (about the christian god and Jesus´s pedigree and resurrection) now, but as far as I understand it he is still a believer in the historicity of Jesus, but maybe he has changed his mind about that as well (source?). It doesn´t matter, his argument (I thought well presented) was for the existence of Jesus as a historical person, not a god. In contrast Gary Habermas is a believer in Jesus the son of God etc. and his arguments make absolutely no sense without the presupposition of the bible as a reliable historical source.
@Ali Ali I don´t get your point, to look at the bible as a historical document is what Carrier does, but Habermas insist on treating the bible as a relyable documentation of historic events, something completely different.
@Ali AliThe gospels are not eyewitness accounts. Or, if you think they are, prove it. (St Paul actually says that what he knows has been revealed directly to him, not told by witnesses). However you got something right, that is where the divide between believers and critical thinkers is in the field of biblical history and that is why the believers arguments make absolutely no sense without the presupposition of the bible as a reliable historical source. Please at least look at Richard Carriers RUclips videos if you cannot get his books before you bother to answer. The following links may be useful: ruclips.net/video/bQmMFQzrEsc/видео.html ruclips.net/video/LTllC7TbM8M/видео.html ruclips.net/video/79UAYyMYk7I/видео.html
@Ali Ali Your statement "PEOPLE DONT MAKE UP STORIES, THEN WILLINGLY DIE FOR THOSE MADE UP STORIES." YES, IN FACT THEY DO! if accurate, your statement would prove all religions to be true. If sufficient numbers of otherwise normal people are not prepared to do crazy things for it, it does not count as a religion. (That is btw why Marxism or Nazism can be best analyzed and understood as religions, not just political standpoints). Nothing special about christianity here, except that we have a continuous tradition from the fourth century. Most of the earlier "tradition" were invented (or perhaps more kindly; reconstructed) only after the religion had been established long after the alleged ressurection. When and how did Paul meet the apostles? If he did wouldn,t he have stated it clearly and written about it in his letters? What level of evidence we have for different historical events and people is of course very different. The thing about most of the names you mention is that we get the stories from independent sources, and also that we find accounts of these people were we would expect them if we hypothesize their existence. (This has been developed into a system to evaluate post fact evidence, Look for Bayes theorem on RUclips if you need a more elaborate discussion of the matter.) And again: At least look at Richard Carriers RUclips videos if you cannot get his books before you bother to answer. I think his presentation of the arguments against the historicity of Jesus is very good. The following links may be useful if you are really interested: ruclips.net/video/bQmMFQzrEsc/видео.html ruclips.net/video/LTllC7TbM8M/видео.html ruclips.net/video/79UAYyMYk7I/видео.html
@Ali Ali The gospels were written long after the events allegedly took place, the apostles had nothing to do with the gospels (they would or could not have written in greece, if at all). The people creating religions do not necessarily think they make up stories, they think the get messages from some god/gods/spirits. St Paul and Mohammed have the same position in christianity and islam respectively. I accept that they probably honestly believed they were chosen by god to reveal the truth to mankind. People believing in islam and flying into buildings is exactly the same as people believing in the divinity of christ and burning non-believers at the stake. Again: At least look at Richard Carriers RUclips videos if you cannot get his books before you bother to answer. The following links may be useful if you are really interested: ruclips.net/video/bQmMFQzrEsc/видео.html ruclips.net/video/LTllC7TbM8M/видео.html ruclips.net/video/79UAYyMYk7I/видео.html
Then why don't you just do your own research and find out the truth for yourself? That way you don't have to troll others because of your lack of knowledge.
@@strictlysurgical6607 His sources apparently are the "world's leading colleges and universities with Christian perspectives and the relevance of Jesus." and "leading scientists exploring the credibility of the resurrection." That is like bringing together the worlds leading experts on unicorns for a debate. If he was sincere he would check out and possibly try to counter the arguments put forward in books by non-believers, for example Richard Carrier and Victor Stenger.
Rudolf Bultmann and Karl Barth really had a very big influence over here in Germany with their liberal demythologization of the bible. I havent had any clue that they had so much impact even in the englisch speaking world too. I tought it was a local phenomenon here in german speaking parts of europe. I‘m very thankfull, that these times are over as we take further steps in science that has changed our world-view from a materialistic standpoint to the undestanding, that we don‘t live in a matter-based universe but rather in an information-based universe what let to many open minded scientist about god and supernatural events.
It seems like there aren’t many scientists who noticed this change.😂
Brilliant brilliant presentation.
Yes but not convincing rational peoples.
Argumentum ad populum is the hallmark of the imbecile, which makes Habermas a fully qualified imbecile.
The so-called " resurrection" is *Utterly _irrelevant* to christianity because nothing that occurs *After* a teacher is (for himself) destroyed forever can possibly be relevant to what he taught*Before*he was (for himself) destroyed forever, but can that fool Habermas understand that? To ask that question is to answer it?
Jesus... Thank you
Wow, wow, wow.
I believed on faith, but didn't study to know how much backed up reason to believe.
At least faith is honest. There is NO evidence for or against god. She remains well hidden.
@@mathgod I absolutely disagree with this statement.
Simple question: Animals want to live their lives just like u do. U thank God for giving life to u & also for giving life to animals for u to take their lives & eat them. Don't u see how they've tricked you to believe in an imaginary God by fooling u to arrogantly ignoring your hypocrisy & narcissism?
Learnt so much. 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Problem with skeptics is they really don’t want to believe cause they would have to change their lifestyle and focus on God instead of themselves, wealth, power, SIN and material things. They also do t want to believe because they think the books of the New Testament were written down too far from Jesus’s death and resurrection but they forget that the early Christians were already worshipping Jesus as God during and shortly after the resurrection and ascension of Jesus. Just because some were written years later doesn’t mean it’s not accurate, reliable or true! God bless
What they don’t realize is that God himself changes us. They think they have to do something they’re not able to do. It’s up to us to explain this to them so they don’t die hopeless.
Simple question: Animals want to live their lives just like u do. U thank God for giving life to u & also for giving life to animals for u to take their lives & eat them. Don't u see how they've tricked you to believe in an imaginary God by fooling u to arrogantly ignoring your hypocrisy & narcissism?
Hey friends - does anyone know where I can watch the rest of this presentation? Thank you.
You don't need to have a doctorate in theology or to be a scholar to know God's plan and Jesus promises to those who put their trust in him.The apostle Paul clearly stated that if Jesus did not rose from the dead then there is no resurrection and therefore we (Christians who put their faith in Christ) are to be pitted!.I rather believe Paul and the rest of the apostles who claimed to be eyewitnesses of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ resurrection and ascension to heaven.If Jesus did not literally resurrected from the dead then the apostles were liars and deceivers, I don't think so!.
The Gospel is based on this promise:to those who repent from their sins and put their faith in Jesus Christ, Jesus promised these 3 things: 1-their sins will be forgiven 2-They will be resurrected from the dead in a new incorruptible body and 3-will have eternal life in Gods kingdom!. Let God and Jesus Our Lord be truthful and faithful and let man be called a liar and deceitful.I for one choose to trust and believe the all Mighty all knowing God and his Holly Son Jesus Christ
@Christian Slayer God has never lied about the forgiveness of sins.. it was different in the Old Testamant and forgiveness in the New is solely on believing in the saving blood of Jesus Christ. He paid the price. none of us are worthy. We are all born into Adams seed/Noahs seed.. the seeds of rebellion.
@Christian Slayer You have no clue what the heck you're talking about.
@Christian Slayer If the resurrection of Jesus actually happened (hypothetically speaking), it is of infinite consequence for everyone. It matters whether or not this is true.
I don't know what's going on in your head to make you think otherwise. I completely understand your skepticism of the resurrection having actually happened, but to think that it is of "no consequence to anyone" is silly.
@Christian Slayer Where in the Bible does it say that there's never been any forgiveness of sins?
Your argument rests on "I don't think the apostles lied" yet the Bible itself says Peter lied.
No one in history came back from death, no one, in mythology many.
You believe because you want to believe.
You need to study what Habermas wrote in greater depth.
The title is so misleading, Habermas is only taken seriously among Evangelicals in America
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What they really found at the resurrection tomb was...chocolate eggs!
The gospel of God which He Promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures
Concerning His Son Jesus the Christ my Lord and Savior the only Savior of the world who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, declared to to be Son of God with power according to the Spirit of Holiness, by the resurrection of the dead.
What is your physical evidence to confirm your text claims?
@@robertlight5227
Roman's 1:1-4
@@simclimie6045 Physical evidence please.
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What do you mean physical evidence
@@robertlight5227 The same evidence that proves Shakespeare was a real person.
What about the woman that he appears to? You know, the first to see him.
What is the argument?
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Just because it is in your holy books does not mean that it's true.
What about the resurrection of the Dead (ek) out from which Jesus was raised? You are teaching the resurrection of Jesus only out of His own death. The Mystery is far deeper. How can you teach Matthew 27:51 and not the rest of that same text? You get a lot of "attaboys" for tickling ears, but if you don't teach the whole truth, you would be better off to not teach any of it. Teach all of the resurrection account Matthew 27:51-53 as one complete event. We have been taught the half-truth for 2ooo years. Your theological cemetery has buried the truth! Now let's hear the "rest of the story"!
[Mat 27:51-53 KJV] 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Matthew 27:51-53 is one complete narrative. You must teach all of it together. You cannot omit 52 and 53 and preach 51 only. If we do, we deny the very completed redemptive work of Christ and substitute a false gospel. 52 and 53 are exactly the Work the Father sent His Son to accomplish.
It is the fulfillment of Jeremiah 31:16. It is our only Blessed Hope through faith in His Redemption of Israel.
[Jer 31:16 KJV] 16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy. (we see in Matthew 2:16-18 that they are the DEAD fulfilling vs 15 of Jer 31)
If we miss this plain revelation of prophecy, we miss the Blessed hope found in verse 17 of Jer 31
Jer 31:17 KJV] 17 And there is hope in thine end, saith the LORD, that thy children shall come again to their own border. (Their own coasts from which they were murdered)
Denial of this resurrection of the Dead Saints that slept is precisely where modern theological cemeteries bury the truth! This is where "replacement theology" comes in and pretends that the church on earth replaced Israel. This is what Peter warned about in 2 Peter 2:1. The false teachers would "deny the One Redeemer who REDEEMED THEM, the firstfruits of Israel with Him!
This denial of the true resurrection was foretold by Simeon in Luke 2:34.
[Luk 2:34 KJV] 34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this [child] is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;
The word "rising again" should be translated "resurrection to life" as it is 41 other times in scripture. (Why the mistranslation?)
As the one who claims to have the best understanding of the resurrection of Christ what will you do with this? Will you continue to "speak against" it as Simeon foretold? Or be renewed.
Refute it from scripture if you can! Or repent and believe the gospel as we are commanded.
You can present all the historical individuals and the sources referring to them all you want.. no one is making claims of supernatural ability or events. The man, Jesus, may well have existed, but the claims of Divinity and supernatural ability to rise from the dead are not proven from texts written, especially ones like the four gospels which give fundamentally differing accounts of the ‘events’ leading up to to finding of an ‘empty tomb’ and the events after.
Idiot☝️
"What caused the switch (in views about the resurrection) over the last 40 years?"
FOLLOW THE MONEY!
Still not convinced. You need take off your Christian glasses and be a little more skeptical.
You need to take off your atheist glasses and be a little more believing.
@@Jin-dc7gl that is the strangest saying I’ve ever heard. Do you understand what evidence is?
He pronounces Plato as Play-doh :P
This lecture isnt that good. What university did he get a doctorate from for this?
@Christian Slayer I love how you anti theists dismiss everyone who disagrees with you, even if they have a PhD. Free thinkers, my ass.
Not much of an argument. Just the same O same O of so many people believe it, it has to be true. I am dissapointed that someone with a phD can not come up with something better, no matter what he himself believes. For a more stringent case look at Richard Carrier (sceptic) or Bart Ehrman (believer) in the historicity and ressurection of Jesus.
@Ali Ali Yes I agree he is an agnostic (about the christian god and Jesus´s pedigree and resurrection) now, but as far as I understand it he is still a believer in the historicity of Jesus, but maybe he has changed his mind about that as well (source?). It doesn´t matter, his argument (I thought well presented) was for the existence of Jesus as a historical person, not a god.
In contrast Gary Habermas is a believer in Jesus the son of God etc. and his arguments make absolutely no sense without the presupposition of the bible as a reliable historical source.
@Ali Ali I don´t get your point, to look at the bible as a historical document is what Carrier does, but Habermas insist on treating the bible as a relyable documentation of historic events, something completely different.
@Ali AliThe gospels are not eyewitness accounts. Or, if you think they are, prove it. (St Paul actually says that what he knows has been revealed directly to him, not told by witnesses). However you got something right, that is where the divide between believers and critical thinkers is in the field of biblical history and that is why the believers arguments make absolutely no sense without the presupposition of the bible as a reliable historical source. Please at least look at Richard Carriers RUclips videos if you cannot get his books before you bother to answer. The following links may be useful:
ruclips.net/video/bQmMFQzrEsc/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/LTllC7TbM8M/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/79UAYyMYk7I/видео.html
@Ali Ali Your statement "PEOPLE DONT MAKE UP STORIES, THEN WILLINGLY DIE FOR THOSE MADE UP STORIES." YES, IN FACT THEY DO! if accurate, your statement would prove all religions to be true. If sufficient numbers of otherwise normal people are not prepared to do crazy things for it, it does not count as a religion. (That is btw why Marxism or Nazism can be best analyzed and understood as religions, not just political standpoints).
Nothing special about christianity here, except that we have a continuous tradition from the fourth century. Most of the earlier "tradition" were invented (or perhaps more kindly; reconstructed) only after the religion had been established long after the alleged ressurection.
When and how did Paul meet the apostles? If he did wouldn,t he have stated it clearly and written about it in his letters?
What level of evidence we have for different historical events and people is of course very different. The thing about most of the names you mention is that we get the stories from independent sources, and also that we find accounts of these people were we would expect them if we hypothesize their existence. (This has been developed into a system to evaluate post fact evidence, Look for Bayes theorem on RUclips if you need a more elaborate discussion of the matter.)
And again: At least look at Richard Carriers RUclips videos if you cannot get his books before you bother to answer. I think his presentation of the arguments against the historicity of Jesus is very good.
The following links may be useful if you are really interested:
ruclips.net/video/bQmMFQzrEsc/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/LTllC7TbM8M/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/79UAYyMYk7I/видео.html
@Ali Ali The gospels were written long after the events allegedly took place, the apostles had nothing to do with the gospels (they would or could not have written in greece, if at all).
The people creating religions do not necessarily think they make up stories, they think the get messages from some god/gods/spirits. St Paul and Mohammed have the same position in christianity and islam respectively. I accept that they probably honestly believed they were chosen by god to reveal the truth to mankind. People believing in islam and flying into buildings is exactly the same as people believing in the divinity of christ and burning non-believers at the stake.
Again: At least look at Richard Carriers RUclips videos if you cannot get his books before you bother to answer.
The following links may be useful if you are really interested:
ruclips.net/video/bQmMFQzrEsc/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/LTllC7TbM8M/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/79UAYyMYk7I/видео.html
Sorry, but i gave up listening to this when he started bringing up anonymous sceptics
Then why don't you just do your own research and find out the truth for yourself? That way you don't have to troll others because of your lack of knowledge.
C.S. Lewis, Alister McGrath, Anthony Flew, Francis Collins, Peter Hitchens , etc. Do your research before quitting.
Big claims, no real details. A straight up liar.
You may want to check the sources and do some research. It's plainly listed in the footnotes.
@@strictlysurgical6607 His sources apparently are the "world's leading colleges and universities with Christian perspectives and the relevance of Jesus." and "leading scientists exploring the credibility of the resurrection." That is like bringing together the worlds leading experts on unicorns for a debate. If he was sincere he would check out and possibly try to counter the arguments put forward in books by non-believers, for example Richard Carrier and Victor Stenger.
@@TomasPböckerlyftningschack Yes, many of his sources are Christians but many others are former atheists who saw the light.
Ahh but there are a ton of people who believe the earth is flat also.
@Christian Slayer This is one of the dumbest conspiracy comments I've ever heard. It's as funny as the chem trails one.
hope he is not doing the "human powerpoint" cringe on this one too