I am 27 years old, and for the first 26 years of my life I was an atheist. I am also an alcoholic, drug addict, liar, manipulator, sinner. I have been sober for 18 months, and it is in direct correlation to the date when I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. I tried to quit ruining my life on my own... over and over again... every attempt ended in relapse and failure. One day, I realized the booze and the drugs were not the problem... I WAS! I thought I was in control, but I wasn't. While I was busy thinking I was in control, my life was out of control. So I surrendered. I said, "You know what, Jesus might actually be who He said He was, and I have nothing to lose, so I am going to trust Him." My life, 18 months later, is surreal. Maybe it's the placebo effect, maybe I am just "tricking" my brain, maybe it is all psychological... whatever. Maybe it is real? Maybe Jesus is the Son of God? I believe He is. I am not writing this in an attempt to convert anyone to Christianity. I am merely putting my story, which is MUCH longer than this post, onto the internet for people to read. I have lived a life without Christ, and I have lived a life with Christ, and this life with Christ is so much more fulfilling than anything else I have ever experienced. Whether you are a believer, agnostic, or atheist, I love you! I believe you have value, and are gifted beyond your wildest dreams! Peace and blessings, Tom
Thanks Tom for sharing your testimony. If this was the placebo effect you would have been able to overcome your drug addiction on your own, but you weren't able to do that. So it was not the placebo, but God's power in Jesus name. I have also tried to overcome things without God's help, but failed. God the Father through Jesus the Son, is real and alive right now as I'm writing this. He certainly can and does help us when we call on Him. God bless you.
I was born and raised Muslim. Christ redeemed me from the dead religion of Islam. The historical evidence for Christ's deity and resurrection are irrefutable!
After spending 25 years an electrical and software engineer, THIS may be the most beautiful piece of logic and reasoning I have ever heard! Thank you and God bless you 🙏🙏🙏
Apparently you never learned with logical fallacies were as a software engineer. Don’t murder any babies ‘on faith’ today just because some member of a death cult claims that God said so. "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). So you’d murder your neighbor’s entire family, including his infant, if some man claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said you should? If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult who thought the world was flat and illness was caused by demons, then it MUST be a reliable source of real history, right?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
@@mythbuster1483 "Apparently you never learned with logical fallacies were as a software engineer." What logical fallacies does Dr. Habermas commit? Could you provide time-stamps? "Don’t murder any babies ‘on faith’ today just because some member of a death cult claims that God said so. "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). So you’d murder your neighbor’s entire family, including his infant, if some man claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said you should?" Does Paul only claim that He saw Jesus? Wasn't Ananias also called to meet Paul? Consider the context. "If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies," I do not recall the Bible mentioning any beings that eat brains. "written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult who thought the world was flat and illness was caused by demons," Anonymous? How did you come to that conclusion? How is Judaism a "death cult?" Where does the Bible claim that the earth is flat (saying something has a circular nature does not count)? "then it MUST be a reliable source of real history, right?!! SUCKER - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary" What actually happened does not necessarily have to be repeatable.
Lolol this is not logic this is what you do when you have no logic he said themselves as I win tells you lose but he didn't actually demonstrate either of those points at all
Hey brother, I agree! You can hear the logic and reasoning because you also have the wisdom and understanding of the Holy Spirit 🙏🕊🤓 But the Bible says that to those who are unregenerate, the wisdom of God sounds foolish. Count it all JOY!!! 😊👏👏👏🙌✝️
God bless you Dr. Gary Habermas. Your sound scholarship in the field of apologetics continues to be a source of encouragement and wisdom for the church. With all the fiery darts that are being thrown at Christianity today it is a breathe of fresh air to see scholarship and truth lead the way instead of preconceived notions and bias. Let the scriptures speak!!
I remember before i gave my life to Christ i started reading a book called „Case for Christ „ by Lee Strobel. I remember that i threw it against the wall and rejected it. Lee has outstanding arguments for Christianity. I just didn’t want it to be true. Hardened hearts don’t get anywhere. I guess it was prayers that melted my heart.
Its your human arrogance that died in order for you to reborn! I was just the same! Thinking i knew better than God i kept rejecting him. Truth is ,we know nothing! God knows us better than we know ourselves! HE saved you ! He saved me 🙏🌟
It is purely by God's grace. The human heart is too corrupt to incline towards God on its own. God by his grace softens our hearts and enables us to accept the truth. Rejoice that you are amongst the elect that Christ died for.
@@hitman5782 how about the Apostles that gave their lives after Christ had been crucified. Do you think they did it to be safe or for money? They knew what it would probably mean and still they gave their lives! 🙏🙏
@@robertmclaren9620 How do you know that anybody gave his life for anything? That´s characters in a book. And anyway, what´s the point? We have millions of Muslims willing to blow themselves up for Allah, and that´s in the real world, does that make Allah any more real? We had sects where about 90% of all members committed suicide for their gods, so..? All that shows is how unreal crazy religion is and what it is able to do with otherwise normal people.
I was raised in the Christian faith. But I didn't receive Christ until I was married and my wife was expecting our child. My Dad was a minister but I didn't know if God exisit. Jesus finally put the light on for me . My wife was a Christian. When she told me about the baby . I was so happy then sad . That something could happen to her and the baby during birth. Then Jesus put me on my knees showing me all the evil I had done. could come back to me. He opened my heart and mind when I accepted him as my Lord and saviour . I was so happy and full of love.I have stumbled but he's been there and picked me up every time and dusted me off and says it will be okay. Think you Jesus for coming into my life . I live by faith now. Knowing he's there. May God Bless All!!!!
@@TruthDissident If you read what I put down. It stated that I was raised in a Christian home. But you can be near the faith .And still be far from God . May God Bless you!
@@billybarnes9208 Only imaginary gods need to be defended by credulous cult members. If a *MAGIC INVISIBLE SKY GENIE* really existed and wanted humans to know it, he could easily provide evidence himself, especially if he was “all-powerful”, as Christian cult members claim. So your stupid posts debunk your imaginary god. And the liars who wrote your fake holy book claimed that Jesus said, "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22). “Whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you" (John 16:23), "whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours" (Mark 11:24). We both know those claims are lies, which your posts also prove, since if they were true you would simply post a miracle video. Pray for Jesus to appear to you right now, and post the video of *NOTHING HAPPENING* ! LOL! Silly cultard----myths are for kids!
Dr. Tom Dykstra, Journal of the Orthodox Center for the Advancement of Biblical Studies: "We know that many of the gospel stories are pure fiction." ocabs.org/journal/index.php/jocabs/article/viewFile/80/47
Dr. Gerd Ludemann, Chair of History and Literature of Early Christianity at the University of Göttingen: “much of the New Testament record is fiction…no thinking person could remain a traditional Christian.” wwwuser.gwdg.de/~gluedem/download/what-jesus-didn-t-say.pdf
@Momazos Hail Chile So what? Most Christian scholars debunk the gospel fairy tales. Gary Habermas is a fringe fundamentalist and does not represent the consensus view. Habermas couldn’t tell you the truth even if he wanted to, since he is contractually obligated to support Liberty University's faith statement, which claims, “The universe was created in six historical days" www.liberty.edu/aboutliberty/index.cfm?PID=6907 LOL! This is a fringe position and has been completely debunked by science and defies common sense. How would you measure “six historical days” before the earth even existed? Dr. Habermas would be *FIRED* if he said anything against Liberty University's faith statement, and would lose his lucrative job selling lies to the gullible. So he is clearly not a credible source, and is simply a paid liar for your debunked cult’s nonsense.
@Momazos Hail Chile “Habermas's work does not resemble the work of historians. Rather, he is stating that the events in the gospels are basically self-evidently true, which is just as fallacious as stating the events leading up to Mohammad's ascension are true by citing Islamic scripture. He provides no external verification.” rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gary_Habermas
@Momazos Hail Chile Even if Muslim scholars claimed that the Quran was given to Muhammad by the angel Gabriel, that makes the claim true? If Christian scholars claim the bible is true, that means it MUST be true? "MAGIC BOOK SAYS SO" is a rational argument?
Lol. I love Habermas. So funny. So thorough. If I could only teach people one apologetic argument, this would be it. It absolutely CRUSHES the opposition.
Habermas and Licona cite scholars such as Gerd Ludermann, Crossan, Michael Grant etc...about what facts are accepted, so I suggest you delete much of your post to avoid any further embarrassment to yourself.
Jesus' own mother and brothers remained skeptical of his claims throughout his earthly ministry and tried to prevent him from accomplishing his mission. Mark 3:21, John 7:5. If Jesus was doing genuinely supernatural miracles that whole time, how do you explain what you must think was the shocking obstinacy of Jesus' own family toward his claims?
It bears repeat watching as there was a lot of information to unpack. I agree with others that people don't fail to believe due to a lack of evidence but due to an unwillingness to change, even to their own detriment; so sad!
@@curtflory7147 Soooo, you can not name a single valid from the entire film?! Yeah, great you figured it out, congratulations. We atheists are not able to believe in your god for the same reasons why you are not able to believe in all the countless other gods worldwide. What are you talking about "unwillingness to change"? Even if true, what would that have to do with anything? Are we not exactly the way your god created us?
@@hitman5782 Wow, did I hit a nerve? Did that describe you; "those who are unwilling to change"? You come to a video on creation science to attack those who believe? I think you protest a wee too much HitMan. All the evidence he cited is a reason to believe in the one true God of heaven and earth. Deny as you will, it matters not to me. Romans 1 says ALL people know there is a God through the things that have been created. Looks and see or not, that is your choice. I chose God over all else. And this was a really well done presentation.
The tomb wasn't even built until 345 AD. This includes the 'burial bed' of Jesus which also was not constructed until 345 AD, more than 300 years after the death of the 'saviour'. The marble slab was was independently dated at two separate labs using optically stimulated luminescence. The results reveal the slab was mortared in place in the mid-fourth century under the orders of Emperor Constantine.
@@cygnusustushow do you know that there wasn't? From what I know almost all scholars accept that there was so you better have something to give which they have missed
@@dimitris_zaha "From what I know almost all scholars accept that there was" Then you don't know much. The most that reputable scholars will say is that it is possible. Most will agree that it is improbable, since only rarely were crucifixion victims afforded burial.
@@cygnusustus why wouldn't someone like Jesus who wasn't a random guy not get a proper burial? Why should we doubt the story of the empty tomb and if we doubt it then what do you think happened to his body after his crucifixion
At least there's no harm in believing absurd supernatural claims with no evidence! "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" - New York Times. Wow, where would they get a crazy idea like that?!! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). It's not like the bible contains proven lies by liars, right? "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *the Bible is full of lies* , even if they refuse to use the term." Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina, - Who Wrote the Bible and Why it Matters.
@@samiverson2496 Don't cry, cultard, just because you have *NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER* for the absurd claims of your debunked ancient death cult. Tell me why I should believe absurd stories in your DEBUNKED BOOK OF ANCIENT BULLSHIT about a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, woman turned into a pillar of salt, the sun standing still in the sky for a full day, a man living inside of a fish for 3 days, zombie apocalypse, and a virgin-born demigod with superpowers whose magic mucus could heal the blind?!! It couldn't possibly be a bunch of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, New Testament professor: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that the Bible is full of lies, even if they refuse to use the term." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters
@@samiverson2496 Tell me more about the *TALKING DONKEY* in your debunked book of ancient fairy tales! "And the LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times? Then Balaam said to the donkey, Because you have made a mockery of me! If there had been a sword in my hand, I would have killed you by now. The donkey said to Balaam, Am I not your donkey on which you have ridden all your life to this day? Have I ever been accustomed to do so to you? And he said, No" (Numbers 22:28-32). Then they found Shrek and rescued Princess Fiona from the dragon! 😄 😄 😄 Oh, sorry, wrong fiction story. SUCKER: “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
"People don't believe what they don't want to believe." He couldn't have said it any better. He just spent about 50 minutes laying out the evidence that he even said liberal scholars accept. And to prove his statement above, you have numerous people claiming there is no evidence.
Philip Ramos If that was his point, then he basically denied the possibility of knowledge about the world in general and completely undermined the idea that he can be any kind of expert - because he'll just believe, or not believe, whatever for no reason. As for the claim that "liberal scholars" will accept his evidence - realize two things: 1) He is deliberately excluding everyone who disagrees with him as "scholars" and 2) The field of biblical studies(as opposed to *history*) is flooded with cultists who presuppose not only that Jesus existed, but that he is God. A consensus by such people is as useless as a consensus among Qur'anic scholars that Islam is true. As for the bit about no evidence - people who claim this are of course not accepting one of the baseless presuppositions held by most biblical scholars. Namely that the gospels must have a historical core that you can extract merely by comparing the gospels against each other. They also don't accept that accounts postdating the gospels can be uncritically regarded as independent accounts. The main reason for this skepticism(apart from the magical nature of Jesus) is that the earliest Christian writings - the epistles - never mention a historical Jesus, any details of his ministry or execution by Pontius Pilate. Instead, they talk about a "Jesus" that reveals himself to self-styled prophets like Paul(And such prophets also disagree about doctrine as Paul's writings challenges competing prophets) as well as through creative reinterpretation of scripture. The "historical" details about Jesus appears to pop out of nowhere in Mark, half a century later and this work, as well as the other gospels, has clear evidence of being a manufactured work that creates stories around selective quotes from OT.
Gnomefro I don't think he is denying the possibility of knowledge. He was simply making a statement that a lot of people can be given evidence, good evidence in my opinion, and still believe something to the contrary. For example, let's say I told you my name and you didn't believe me. Then I showed you my id or birth certificate and you still had doubts about what I was saying. It's kind of like that (obviously the video topic is more significant than my name. It's a silly example, but it gets the point across). I don't think he was making a statement pro-relative truth (which is self contradictory to begin with). As for you points about scholarship, I would imagine there are those who disagree. I really couldn't say how many scholars, who study the subject, disagree but I would think they are far and few between given there is nothing "supernatural" about the minimal facts he's given. Now, the conclusion he reaches, that's a different story. Of course there are scholars who are going to disagree with that. Now, I would imagine there are those in the field of biblical studies who believe in Jesus' deity (I think that's a given). However, there are scholars who are atheists, Jewish, or even Muslim that study the material as well. The dating of the gospels seems rather far off from the date that Jesus was crucified, but in comparison to other works from antiquity, the dates are almost insignificant. You mentioned Paul never mentions a "historical" Jesus. This seems to be an argument from silence, which is pretty much not accepted by scholars. Plus, Paul mentions Jesus being born of a woman I believe in Galatians, and mentions him being a descendant of King David in Romans. I have a question though. you said it's baseless to think that the gospels have a historical core. I'm curious as to how you draw that conclusion. Thanks for writing.
nathan wach We can essentially say the same thing about atheism. Atheism (naturalism in specific) isn't anything new. It's been around since the beginning of time so I can throw around the same statement: atheism has been forced on generations of people, so of course people buy into it. But this doesn't get us any closer to knowing what is true. We take a look at the evidence and see where it points to. And the evidence to me points to Christianity.
vortex222 That's the problem right there. People throw around phrases/words like pet dragon, santa clause, flying spaghetti monster, fairys, etc, as if the concept of a God who created the universe is on the same level. I think it's naïve to do this. Coming into the conversation of whether God exists or not with that level of bias, then of course all the evidence is not going to mean anything to you. Then this idea of "extraordinary evidence" Let's just say God doesn't exist, then the universe coming into existence is a rather extraordinary feat. And yet the "evidence" that claims the universe created itself out of nothing is not extraordinary. The idea that the universe created itself from nothing is a big leap of faith if you ask me, and yet people eat it up. It seems to me like there is inconsistency on the side of some atheists.
vortex222 "The universe coming into existence is not extraordinary because we are here" Do universes coming into existence from nothing happen every day? Maybe it's just me but our universe and everything in it seem rather extraordinary to me. And contrary to your belief, I did read your comment. It would be nice if we could stray away from mild attempts at insults and actually have a good discussion. The questions that you listed about who created God and so on I believe are not even necessary. I think it's pretty clear we believe in a God that wasn't created but has existed from eternity past. Now, this may seem like nonsense but I do believe there are scientists out there that claim the universe existed eternally. Do you find their claim makes no sense? Or do you readily except it because it's scientific? You know instead of talking past each other continuously let me ask this, what is your world view? What do you believe about our existence and where we came from, etc? I think I've made the mistake (too many times!) of just jumping into a response and assuming I know what people believe. So again, what exactly do you believe?
Thank you for sharing a part of your story. Your story seems simular to my husband. My husband is not an athiest but still struggles to fully surrender "his" way of doing things unto the Lord. He has struggled with addiction since the age of 18 and has been clean and sober almost five months. (Yay God) I believe that the Holy Spirit is working and moving in his life and I also believe everyday, that God is revealing his love for my husband. I know that my husband will surrender to the lord in Gods timing. Its between my husband and God. I praise God for your life and all that God is doing for you and through you. Be Blessed.
@@fritzdoerring9058 “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities” - Voltaire. Don’t murder any babies today just because some member of a death cult claims that God said so. "This is what the Lord Almighty says...Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). So you’d murder your neighbor’s entire family, including his infant, if some man claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said you should?
@@mythbuster1483 "“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities” - Voltaire." Is Voltaire a credible source for Biblical scholarship? "Don’t murder any babies today just because some member of a death cult claims that God said so. "This is what the Lord Almighty says...Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1 Samuel 15:2-3)." God is not stating that for us to do today, if you were to look at *the passage which you cut out,* this is saying to destroy all that belongs to Amalek. And whats this death cult you are referring to? "So you’d murder your neighbor’s entire family, including his infant, if some man claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said you should?" I'm not sure anyone would, unless there was some credible source that indicated that the man was correct and that it was not some random spirit (demon).
@@mythbuster1483 That’s good you’re reading the Bible , Buster . Don’t stop there though . Keep going for the context and the point of the whole thing !
yes there is- watch the video or shut your piehole-- even atheist historian think the basics about Jesus was true-- and that the resurrection was possible and we have eyewitness testimony --- same as any history--- so there is PLENTY of evidence to support this--it doesnt prove without a shadow of a doubt- but very few things are ever proven beyonf=d a shadow of a doubt--
Dude I am to the point where I will not even argue anymore, some people just want to be divisive. The thing about the resurrection is, what did they actually see. I believe them big time, but for the skeptic, honestly to say flat out no, is being short sighted and A little disingenuous, something miraculous happened. And trying to explain it away is the bigger burden. But I have stopped trying to argue this.
You are a moron- do you know who Bart Erhman is? He is the atheist New Testament scholar - in the world- he knows these are facts and states it in every book and paper he has ever written on the subject- instead of you going around spouting off BS lies - try and go to college and learn some fucking history you broke numbnuts--- you get all emotional because God didn't answe your little prayers and you became an atheist- when you can engage in fact based dialogue- come back and talk to me- otherwise- back to the brake pad factor for you, TommyBoy
Eric- no need to engage this slap nuts- he is a moron and hasn't even heard most of the people we speak of-- he is someone who watches Tv and believs anything--
I was born again on 8/29/1971. Called to the Ministry that fall. Best discourse on the Resurrection that I’ve ever heard. I am blessed by all the comments. God bless you!
Jesus cured me of my suicidal thoughts and lustful actions. I prayed to Jesus, if he was real, to save me. He did. I was filled with the spirit and cried like i never had before. The beauty of Christ is like no other. He will not reveal himself to you unless you swallow you're pride, himble yourself and ask him!
The one about Paul consulting the original Apostles and they added nothing to him was a fantastic point. There are some unbelievers that will argue that Christianity was exclusively based on Paul's teachings and not the original apostles. Thank you for all that you guys do. God Bless your ministry.
You're assuming these stories represent what people actually said and did, and are not simply fiction. If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult who thought the world was flat and illness was caused by demons, then it MUST be a reliable source of real history?!!
@@mythbuster1483 Let me see you post a youtube video proving your knowledge of the subject, then maybe I'll take your words over Mr. Habermas here and all the other scholars, either way, nice try Satan
@@michaeldais8079 LOL! “Fools will believe anything” (Prov. 14:15, New Century Version). Dr. Brent Landau, professor of Religion at the University of Texas: “Gary Habermas and William Lane Craig, both teach at institutions (Liberty University and Biola University, respectively) that require their faculty to sign statements affirming that they believe the Bible is inspired by God and is free of any contradictions, historical inaccuracies or moral failings. For example, the Liberty University faculty application requires assent to the following statement: “We affirm that the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, though written by men, was supernaturally inspired by God so that all its words are written true revelation of God; it is therefore inerrant in the originals and authoritative in all matters.” The overwhelming majority of professional biblical scholars teaching in the United States and elsewhere are not required to sign such statements of faith. Many of the other scholars he interviews in his book have similar affiliations. Strobel has thus drawn from a quite narrow range of scholars that are not representative of the field as a whole.” - 'The Case for Christ': What's the evidence for the resurrection?
@@michaeldais8079 Dr. Richard Carrier on Gary Habermas: "The real Habermas is of course a notorious liar. His methods are a con game. He’s the kind of source real journalistic standards were invented to defend us against...Habermas also tells Strobel there are 'nine ancient sources' confirming encounters with Jesus after his death. That’s pretty much a lie. Because Habermas is a liar. " - The Case for Christ: The Movie!
@@michaeldais8079 Anytime you want to prove your book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers---go ahead! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Go ahead! You believe what some anonymous ancient scribes claim that Jesus said, right? What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" - 2 Drink Strychnine At Service and Die In Display of Faith, New York Times. It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that THE BIBLE IS FULL OF LIES, even if they refuse to use the term." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters
Early writers fabricated the resurrection hoax by making up fake testimonials that the disciples & others have witnessed an empty tomb & a risen Jesus.
So they made up a false claim for which they knew they would be killed and started preaching it which eventually killed them, is that what you're saying?
@@dimitris_zaha Don't get confused please. I said, the early writers, not the disciples, fabricated the resurrection hoax by making up fake testimonials that the disciples & others have witnessed an empty tomb & a risen Jesus.
@@dimitris_zaha Besides, followers of Jim Jones, Marshall Applewhite & David Koresh gave up everything including their lives. Does that mean what they believed must be true???
@@AtamMardes Paul who everyone agrees that wrote some part of the new testament did believe all the things you mentioned and some things in his letters are dated to even 2 years after Jesus's resurrection which is very very early. Plus we have other sources confirming that the disciples actually preached these things and died for it it's not just the Bible. Plus I didn't see any evidence behind your claim so although I could just say that you made it up I decided to respond anyway
Dr. Gary Habermas is acknowledged by many of the world’s leading Christian apologists to be the current world authority on the Resurrection. Simonline🏴🤔😀👍
A lot of people believe that studying history, archaeology and the like in order to show the validity of Jesus' life, death and resurrection, and other aspects in the Bible, show a lack of faith in God, which is absurd. Faith is the evidence of things not seen, which suggests at least in part that studying the Bible is one of many things we are supposed to do. It has strengthened my faith, even though I cannot "see" God. Many atheists believe something similar, that faith is a blind leap. Ultimately, however, the final step of faith involves experience and emotional commitment, just as it would be getting engaged. We have a solid foundation to believe, and it is wonderful and delights my heart and my mind. Many blessings to Gary Habermas for continuing to perpetuate such strong evidence in such a relatable and fun manner. Also bless Abdu Murray, as well as Nabeel Qureshi's family, who is keeping his ministry going.
Amen! This is the Truth of simplistic belief, it is righteousness acceptable by God as the power of redemption, like that of walking on water, and moving mountains.
I want to give this to my daughter to listen to who questions historicity of the resurrection. I’m a little bugged that I have to go ahead and tell her to read first Corinthians 15 because Dr. Habermas never gets around to actually quoting what Paul received. That is a huge miss in this very wonderful talk.
It's not like Habermas is a member of a baby-killing human sacrifice cult, right? "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). If some cult member claims to hear voices from invisible spirit beings telling him to murder children, does that make him MORE credible…or LESS credible? What’s the most likely explanation for such a claim? 1) A liar lied, 2) the guy is suffering from mental illness, or 3) an all-powerful “God of love and peace” (2 Cor. 13:11) needs human help to murder babies for him? SUCKER - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
The key point made in the lecture is that the proof uses only sources accepted as valid by non-Christian scholars. The commenters here that essentially call Paul a liar seem to have missed that essential point. Paul's writings (the 6 books mentioned) are accepted by experts, including atheists as valid historical records. Is there some new evidence that contradicts or casts doubt on the validity of Paul's writings?
@schizoidman I asked you to provide me a list of atheists who accept Paul's writings as 'valid historical records,' that is, they believe the content therein. That they proceed from the first century is not in doubt, but the claims made by these writings are accepted by NO atheist. Please provide the requested information.
The epistles of Paul are not historic in essence. They are instructional, not historical. There is no nown historical evidence establishing the existence of Jesus.
@@theoskeptomai2535 your entire comment here is false to the extreme of ridiculous. Now you're going to try to make the claim that there's no evidence for the life of Jesus either? You just disqualified yourself for having any credibility whatsoever. This is, and I don't use this expression lightly, common knowledge.
Paul Osbourne : This is what got me there. I studied darwinian evolution and the big bang. After 4 months I believed in Christianity. Science does not discredit creation. It actually enforces creation.
@@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n You mean convicted felon Kent Hovind? "Kent ended up serving a long stretch in prison (over eight years). Perhaps more damaging to Kent's first marriage was the one year that his wife Jo had to serve. Nearing the end of his prison term, he was charged with new crimes due to actions that he had taken to affect the title to property that the government had seized as a result of the first conviction...His homecoming was not quite what he had had in mind, as he ended up in a bitter dispute with his family about control of property and also in one of his TMI bursts he let everybody know that he and Jo were not sharing a room. They divorced and Kent moved to Lenox Alabama where he is building a new Dinosaur Adventure Land." www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2018/09/05/how-tax-resistance-can-hurt-your-marriages-the-kent-hovind-saga/#dfd393eb927e
@@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n "Hovind served about nine years of a 10-year prison sentence after being convicted of failing to withhold employee income taxes and “structuring” bank withdrawals to avoid reporting requirements." www.pnj.com/story/news/local/2015/07/10/hovind-free-jail-back-pensacola/29969745/
@@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n You can look him up on the Federal Bureau of Prisons site www.bop.gov/inmateloc/ His inmate # is 06452-017. You can look up his wife also! Hers is 06453-017.
david s Richard Carrier, John Loftus, Hector Avalos, Robert Price, Earl Doherty, Dan Barker, Christopher Hitchens....these are just a few that come to mind.
Living and accustomed to Islamic way of life at the age of about 26 years accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. My understanding Islam dies without lies.
@@DocReasonablebecause of the historical mistakes, the scientific mistakes and most importantly the immorality of the supposedly "perfect" moral prophet and their god
Dawkins: "Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence." Don't murder any unbelievers today just because they won't convert to your debunked ancient cult. "And whoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman" (2 Chron. 15:13). If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult who thought the world was flat and illness was caused by demons, then it MUST be a reliable source of real history?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
At least Dawkins doesn't tell his followers to murder the families of those who disagree with him, like your death cult does: "And whoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman" (2 Chron. 15:13). If some guy who hears voices claims that God said to murder people, then it MUST be true, right?
@Nosoup899 If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased cult members, then it MUST be a reliable source, right?
Come? Repent to Holy Bible Rev.22:20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon." Amen. Come, LORD JESUS. THE GRACE OF THE LORD JESUS be with God's people.Amen." Prays Jesus Christ?
I'll miss him too. Anyway, I think it's beautiful that these people know each other and speak together... Gary, Ravi, Nabeel, Lennox, WLC, etc. Have a nice week there, my friend!
@@GarciaonlyJesus It's okay to admit that you've been conned by liars. "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that the Bible is full of lies , even if they refuse to use the term." www.huffpost.com/entry/the-bible-telling-lies-to_b_840301
@@mythbuster1483 if the Word of God( Bible) is a lie for you, why do you care? Why you tried so hard to open people’s eyes using the Bible in such an ignorant way, you want to attack Christians? then you need to first, learn how to interpret the Bible The Word of God, but let me tell you something you are not attacking me no no no you are attacking God the creator of EVERYTHING so will see how far you get!!! 😁
@@GarciaonlyJesus I care about delusional cult members who are brainwashed to commit acts of violence against others, and who make the world worse. "This is what the Lord Almighty says...Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). So you’d murder your neighbor’s entire family, including his infant, if some man claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said you should?
Maybe a mom is not going to lie about their son. But someone can make up a story about a mom and a son. Which is one of the questions that Philosophers asked in the Age of Enlightenment. Why would a God that knew humans are sinners and as sinners, humans are also liars, corrupt, dishonest, embellishers, makers up of stories, etc., why would that God let humans carry that Gods most important message? Humans are not to be trusted with that. That is why the Age of Enlightenment Philosophers wanted to look at Nature to see what a God is like. Humans make up stories, but Nature, if created from God, then that is the most reliable thing.
@@ronaldlindeman6136yet these people we can't trust have managed to somehow preserve a 2000 year old book as it was written and now with the internet will possibly never be lost
Superb lecture, Now I really want to know more about the other accounts for the other apostles and witnesses researched. Almost this entire lecture was just based off what one account that the skeptics allow witch was Paul.
@@allanyoung6231 The sad truth for Christians is that they have NOTHING written by ‘Paul’ from the 1st century. The earliest texts of any Pauline Epistles date to the 3rd century, were written by unknown, biased fanatics, and contain evidence of forgery and fiction. Dr. William O. Walker: “I have called attention to the fact that we possess the Pauline letters only as parts of a collection that was assembled, edited, preserved and transmitted by the early Church under the name of Paul. Both points, in my judgment, strongly suggest that the Pauline letters, as we now have them, are likely to contain non-Pauline interpolations [forgeries]. This probability is significantly strengthened, however, by yet a third consideration: the surviving manuscripts of these letters provide abundant evidence of actual textual alterations including numerous short additions to the text. As is well known, the extant manuscripts contain countless variant readings (indeed, except in the case of brief fragments, no two of the texts are identical in every detail!)…In any case, it is clear that the surviving manuscripts of the Pauline letters contain numerous short additions to the text.” - Interpolations in the Pauline Letters.
"no decent data to demonstrate a resurrection occurred." - It's like Dawkins and Atkins who tell they wouldn't believe even if Lord Jesus appeared to them personally. Matthew 13:15 For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’
The fact that 12 men from the backwaters of Judea spread the message of Jesus all across the known world by their deaths, all being executed for the message they carried except one, is as much a miracle and a testament that they found something spectacular as the very resurrection of Jesus is.
It's not a "fact", it's simply a STORY, just like Muslim claims that the angel Gabriel appeared to Muhammad in a cave and gave him the Quran. That makes it a fact---because it says so on some anonymous manuscript dated hundreds of years after the supposed events? Dr. Kurt L. Noll, Chair of the Religion Department at Brandon University: “The Gospel narratives of the New Testament are FICTIONS…New Testament authors routinely invented FICTIONS about Jesus inspired by passages from Jewish literature.” - Is This Not The Carpenter?: The Question of the Historicity of the Figure of Jesus (2012).
Dr. Gerd Ludemann, Chair of History and Literature of Early Christianity at the University of Göttingen: "the results of historical scholarship can be made known to the public - especially to believers - only with difficulty. Many Christians feel threatened if they hear that MOST of what was written in the Bible is (in historical terms) UNTRUE and that none of the four New Testament Gospels was written by the author listed at the top of the text." - Kêrygma and History in the Thought of Rudolf Bultmann
Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *THE BIBLE IS FULL OF LIES* , even if they refuse to use the term. And here is the truth: Many of the books of the New Testament were written by people who lied about their identity, claiming to be a famous apostle - Peter, Paul or James - knowing full well they were someone else. In modern parlance, that is a lie, and a book written by someone who lies about his identity is a forgery." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters
@@mythbuster1483 The Qur’an is a one man testimony. No other witnesses. No one else in the whole world ever saw this Jibreel that he reported seeing over and over, in fact most of his “revelations” came to him when he was asleep they were not dictated to him by some entity they came from his brain that he mistook for Allah.
Faith in false claims by proven liars is no credit to the believer. "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Go ahead! You believe what some anonymous ancient scribes claim that Jesus said, right? What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" - 2 Drink Strychnine At Service and Die In Display of Faith, New York Times. It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that THE BIBLE IS FULL OF LIES, even if they refuse to use the term." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters
I’m not sure what lies your speaking of, but I haven’t found one. And my God has made sure we get His word so we can make a decision based on Truth. I’ve discovered on my own some deceptions organized religions have portrayed but I don’t go by man’s word, I go by God’s word. And if you’re seeking Him, you always find Him. I trust my Lord with my life and I will know what I’m supposed to know.
@@stevemccaskell3888 Your posts prove the bible is false and Jesus is imaginary: "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), “Whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you" (John 16:23), "whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours" (Mark 11:24). If any of that were true, you could simply pray for Jesus to appear to you RIGHT NOW, and post the resulting miracle video to RUclips! But you know Jesus will NEVER appear because the authors of the gospel tales were proven liars. Praying to Jesus is no different than praying to Zeus, Odin, a Flying Spaghetti Monster, or to any other fictional character in a book. All Christians can do is make pathetic excuses for why this NEVER works, despite the bible’s promises. *FACTS* 1) If Jesus was real, and a god, he COULD appear to you, or to anyone. 2) He supposedly appeared to others in ancient stories that we have no evidence for (Acts 1:3). 3) Jesus supposedly promised that believers would “receive whatever you ask for in prayer” (Matt 21:22). 4) Regardless how much you pray or ask...Jesus won't appear. The most likely explanation for the above? Jesus won’t appear because he CAN’T. Fictional literary characters can't hear prayers or do anything in real life.
And good brother if you know of deceit in the Bible you should show your truth. And as many scholars you know of supporting your claims, I know as many that would support mine. The one deceit that I know of by scripture is we live on a flat plane under the firmament which all the stars moon and sun are in. God never mentions a planet. The old called them wandering stars.
@@stevemccaskell3888 First, there is no reason to believe absurd claims with no evidence whatsoever, and you have none. But I've even shown how the bible makes provably false claims. You don't have the magical poison-resistance promised by the bible, and you don't have the magic prayer superpowers promised by the bible. The whole point is that believing ridiculous supernatural claims on faith, despite evidence to the contrary, is delusional and harms people. The problem with credulous fanatics who believe absurd, supernatural claims on ‘faith’, is that they can be easily manipulated by con men who claim that God said to murder gays (Lev. 20:13), witches (Exodus 22:18), their own wife and children if they choose another faith (Deut. 13:6-16), women who aren't virgins on their wedding night (Deut 22:13-21) the children & infants of their enemies (1 Sam. 15:2-3), etc. This is dangerous and harmful to society. Otherwise, I could care less what harmless nonsense people want to believe. “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities” - Voltaire.
I was watching a debate between atheist Richard Dawkins and Christian philosopher John Lennox, and Dawkins admitted during their debate that Jesus existed. At first, Dawkins didn't want to admit it, but he did.
“One of the striking and to many people, surprising facts about the first century is that we don't have any Roman records, of any kind, that attest to the existence of Jesus. We have no birth certificate, no references to his works or deeds, no accounts of his trial, no description of his death - no reference to him whatsoever in any way, shape, or form. Jesus's name is not even mentioned in any Roman source of the first century.” "Forged" by Bart Ehrman
Hey, Atheists! If you REALLY don't believe in God, why are you SO obsessed with Him? I don't believe in unicorns but I don't waste my whole life hunting them down and hating on them.
***** To prove to everyone who reads these threads exactly how fanatically religious, illogical and irrational so many cyber-stalking hate-theists are. It's working.
+David s 1 Peter 3:15-16: ". . . always be ready to give an answer to anyone who asks about the hope you possess. Yet do it with courtesy and respect, keeping a good conscience, so that those who slander your good conduct in Christ may be put to shame when they accuse you."
Proverbs 15:32 Those who disregard discipline despise themselves, but the one who heeds correction gains understanding. Ecclesiastes 7:5 It is better to heed the rebuke of a wise person than to listen to the song of fools. Proverbs 28:23 He that rebuketh a man afterwards shall find more favour than he that flattereth with the tongue.
+EnemyofEVILution This is a point I have raised time and time again. For example: I don't believe in Islam. Not wanting to get into a debate why, i'm just stating that I don't. Yet I don't spend my life trying to tell Muslims they are wrong. If I meet one and wishes to engage in debate, I will. But I don't need to fill my life with anti-Islam thoughts in order to justify my position. Now when you go on to an atheists Twitter or Facebook page ... they talk about God more than me. On Dawkins Twitter page, the first thing you see is the word "religion". There's something quite ironic and even pitiful about all of this.
+EnemyofEVILution Why are there so few attacks on scientology, buddhism or even satanism? Maybe the 1st 2 are unicorns but the last is most common world religion.
A common technique of liars is calling unsupported claims 'facts' and then engaging in the circular reasoning fallacy. This is nothing more than "magic book says so", which is the same technique that Muslims, Mormons and Hindus use.
By calling unsupported CLAIMS in a STORY ‘facts’ we can ‘prove’ anything, such as that that Spider-Man was real and a superhero! FACT #1: Peter Parker was a college student in New York City when he was bitten by a radioactive spider, which gave him superpowers. How else can you explain his ability to climb walls and swing from webs if he wasn’t, in fact, bitten by a radioactive spider? FACT #2: Peter’s uncle Ben was murdered by a criminal. This explains why Spider-Man was a crime-fighter. FACT #3: Peter Parker was friends with Harry Osborn, whose father owned Oscorp and was the Green Goblin. How could Peter have been friends with Harry unless Peter Parker was a real historical figure? FACT #4: Spider-Man defeated the Green Goblin in front of eyewitnesses. How could Peter Parker have defeated a super-villain unless he was, in fact, Spider-Man and had superpowers?!! In your face, nonbelievers!
@vikinganpgNOPE , I WIN 💀😂😂😂😂😂 you Got OWNED! Dr. Justin J. Meggitt, Professor of Divinity, University of Cambridge: "The GOSPELS CANNOT BE TRUSTED as sources for historical data. They are full of contradictions, discrepancies, supernatural claims and obvious bias...Mark is a work of fiction not history. Mark was also written far too late to give any authentic historical facts." ‘More Ingenious Than Learned’? Examining the Quest for the Non-Historical Jesus
@vikinganpg NOPE , I WIN 💀😂😂😂😂😂 you Got OWNED! The consensus view of scholars is that the New Testament is a bunch of lies by proven liars, although they rarely use these terms. Dr. David Brakke, Professor in the History of Christianity at Ohio State University, wrote an article in the Journal of Religion entitled, “Early Christian Lies and the Lying Liars Who Wrote Them”, which shows how the anonymous early Christian scribes who wrote the New Testament were blatant liars, forgers and frauds. - Early Christian Lies and the Lying Liars Who Wrote Them, The Journal of Religion, Volume 96, Number 3
@vikinganpg NOPE , I WIN 💀😂😂😂😂😂 you Got OWNED! Dr. Burton Mack, professor emeritus in early Christianity at the Claremont School of Theology: "The Gospels are fictional mythologies" - Who Wrote the New Testament?
The only possible eyewitnesses might have been people in Acts. None of the gospels were written by eyewitnesses. Acts is earlier than any of the gospels. He says Christianity is the only one with a resurrection. Wrong there are many resurrection stories in ancient history. I’d like to see him debate Richard Carrier. John was written later than he states, about 90-100 CE.
@@bootsie280 Okay cultard. Don't murder any unbelievers today just because they won't convert to your debunked ancient cult. "And whoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman" (2 Chron. 15:13). If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult who thought the world was flat and illness was caused by demons, then it MUST be a reliable source of real history?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
@@mythbuster1483 - lol- why you’re so mad? You must have satan stock in your rear end!!! Lol, lol, the sucker is you because you feel the need to butt-in in other peoples comments to unleashed the pain you have in your arse, feel sorry for you… one day you will find out the truth I hope isn’t too late.
@@bootsie280 LOL - why you’re so mad? You must have satan stock in your rear end!!! Lol, lol, the sucker is you because you feel the need to butt-in in other peoples comments to unleashed the pain you have in your arse, feel sorry for you… "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Go ahead! LOL!
It’s hilarious how many atheists are in the comment section. If you’re so so convinced it’s all fake and made up, why spend anytime watching it or commenting? That’s because Christ is pulling you in my friends. Turn to him
I was once a zealous christian... thanks god i'm an atheist now and my life is getting better everyday. My Sundays belong now to my family and my confidence boosted the moment I left church. Happily married, have a son and I feel happy because the burden of religion was taken away from me. couldnt care less now what "god" likes or dislikes...
@@Number4lead Your stupid posts prove that prayer doesn't work, and that Jesus is imaginary: "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), “Whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you" (John 16:23), "whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours" (Mark 11:24). You KNOW these claims are false. If any of that were true, you could simply pray for Jesus to appear to you RIGHT NOW, and post the resulting miracle video to RUclips, instead of making a bunch of pathetic comments with no evidence whatsoever! But you know Jesus will NEVER appear because the authors of the gospel tales were proven liars. Praying to Jesus is no different than praying to Zeus, Odin, a Flying Spaghetti Monster, or to any other fictional character in a book. All Christians can do is make pathetic excuses for why this NEVER works, despite the bible’s promises. *FACTS* 1) If Jesus was real, and a god, he COULD appear to you, or to anyone. 2) He supposedly appeared to others in ancient stories that we have no evidence for (Acts 1:3). 3) Jesus supposedly promised that believers would “receive whatever you ask for in prayer” (Matt 21:22). 4) Regardless how much you pray or ask...Jesus won't appear. The most likely explanation for the above? Jesus won’t appear because he CAN’T. Fictional literary characters can't hear prayers or do anything in real life.
“Religions are divisive and quarrelsome. They are a form of one-upmanship because they depend upon separating the “saved” from the “damned,” the true believers from the heretics, the in-group from the out-group… All belief is fervent hope, and thus a cover-up for doubt and uncertainty.” ~ Alan Watts
Only that this is not how Christianity is supposed to work. Jesus told us to see him in everybody. To feel love for all people. To believe that everyone is in the in-group. Not what actually happened but that's human nature unfortunately.
@MrSeedi76 no, some go to hell. And, Christianity Jesus said: "For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matthew 10:35-37 And, he believed in stoning unriluly children: Jesus: Mark 7:10: in Other Translations10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die. ' 10 For instance, Moses gave you this law from God: 'Honor your father and mother,' and 'Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death. ' LOVING STUFF!
“The first thing to realize...is that most people go through life with a whole world of beliefs that have no sort of rational justification, and that one man’s world of beliefs is apt to be incompatible with another man’s, so that they cannot both be right. People’s opinions are mainly designed to make them feel comfortable; truth, for most people is a secondary consideration.” ― Bertrand Russell
Most of Habermas's conclusions and arguments are based on the assumption of the absolute reliability of the stories of the gospels and nothing more. He's so good at bullshitting and twisting to fit his narrative. Cha-Ching!!! Right Gary? LOL Gary is a deer in the headlights and angry when called out in debates by actual biblical experts. Here in this video, he's free to drivel on and on without question.
@@michaelbrickley2443 It's not like Habernas is a fanatic who believes a book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers, right? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *the Bible is full of lies* , even if they refuse to use the term." www.huffpost.com/entry/the-bible-telling-lies-to_b_840301
It's not like Habermas is a member of a baby-killing human sacrifice cult, right? "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). If some cult member claims to hear voices from invisible spirit beings telling him to murder children, does that make him MORE credible…or LESS credible? What’s the most likely explanation for such a claim? 1) A liar lied, 2) the guy is suffering from mental illness, or 3) an all-powerful “God of love and peace” (2 Cor. 13:11) needs human help to murder babies for him? SUCKER - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
Habermas would never murder a baby just because some cult member claimed that God said so, right? "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). If some cult member claims to hear voices from invisible spirit beings telling him to murder children, does that make him MORE credible…or LESS credible? What’s the most likely explanation for such a claim? 1) A liar lied, 2) the guy is suffering from mental illness, or 3) an all-powerful “God of love and peace” (2 Cor. 13:11) needs human help to murder babies for him? *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
@@mythbuster1483 Was watching a show last week on the BBC about scammers.....they are now targeting christian dating websites because they figure they are the most gullible believing they already believe in nonsense....one woman was duped with them using romance and a few bible verses....they got her to hand over £95,000
This guys is freaking serious. As a Catholic Christian, I want to see him talk with, not debate, Scott Hahn for 3 hours. I will sponsor it. They can both come to my house and I'll livestream it. We can share perogies and beer. I want to see a video of him in an old-timers' hockey game fight. He is probably a maniac on the ice.
God doesn't want you elevating Mary. It's just not part of the picture. Jesus came in the flesh, which was very humbling. But to come as a piece of bread billions of times after? The bible has many warnings. John 6 just can't mean that Jesus is literally a piece of bread in Catholic understanding because then you'd be saved if you ate it, which it doesn't even let you have. You're not saved by works, i.e. going to a confessional booth, but by faith. Read the bible. Don't trust others to tell you what it says. Mary says "my savior" - she's not sinless. Purgatory lessens the work of Jesus. The effects of sin is death, that's what it says. Jesus paid for your sins, you don't have more to pay. Jesus saves you through your belief and trust in him. Period.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr protestant heretic. Mere faith is not enough to save yourself. You have to live Christ and bear the cross, not just believe Christ. Your words and thoughts alone are nothing if they're not backed by actions. Faith is crucial, and it is proven through actions. Neither can go without the other. Protestantism is weak and devided into so many denominations, every protestant country except USA left its Christian tradition long ago. You lost the historic battle, if not for usa protestantism would be dead.
@@josephcro2138 As James says, if you just think you believe but it doesn't come out in your words and actions, it wasn't real to begin with, it was a dead faith. So yes I agree that a real saving faith will come out in your words and actions. But there's not an outward action that you can do to be saved. There's no factory line to heaven. Most denominations have the same core belief of being saved by Jesus. Those are the real Christians, the ones that read the bible and seek God with their whole heart, following the first and second greatest commandments. Call them protestant if you want, I call them Christian.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr if there are outward actions that can condemn you to eternal darkness, there are outward ones that can save you. Love is an inward emotion expressed outwardly, without it, there is no eternal life. Meaningful self sacrifice is outward action that can save you. A lot of Christians treat Christianity as some cookie cutter process where if you neatly follow the rules you will be saved, but end up never knowing the truth. I'm not claiming that I know the truth, I'm a sinful man myself, but my life is a testimony that I search for it. I wish could bring you to confess to a priest that converted me. I was an agnostic for many years, but when he put his hand onto my forhead, I collapsed. There are no words that could describe the sensation I felt. First electricity, tremors, convulsions, then warmth, lightness of breath, easiness of existance. I can't properly describe it, but I wish you could feel it, and realize catholic confession is not a lie
Buzzards ate'im........so Jeebus was resurrected as mostly nitrogen bird poop fertilizer. Yay? Oh, the larvae of flesh flies and carrion beetles also ate helped.
@@Glorious716 Why is it so easy to get credulous members of your cult to murder children and infants just by claiming that god said so? "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). Hopefully members of a death cult don’t murder your entire family just because some member of their cult claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said they should. If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult who thought the world was flat and illness was caused by demons, then it MUST be a reliable source of real history, right?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
The Washington Codex in the Smithsonian is a full copy of the four gospels. On leather. Found in the ruins of a first century church in Egypt. Some scholars think it was 4th Century, but others think that the four dates at the bottom of each are truthful: Matthew 67 AD, Mark 69 AD, Luke 71 AD, and John 96 AD. There is evidence that the first 5 chapters of John were written by John himself! There are photo copies of these in many libraries.
Bold and smart? Believing absurd claims because some cult member said so? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" - 2 Drink Strychnine At Service and Die In Display of Faith, New York Times. It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that THE BIBLE IS FULL OF LIES, even if they refuse to use the term." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters
@@zamiel3 Define "forced on others" or "cause harm to others"... Speaking out in public about such beliefs, is that an example? As I see it, many people in the US now consider this (free speech) to be an attack against them personally and as such, a Christian speaking out about the truth that we are all responsible for a sins and will face judgement one day... this is, certainly, a threat to many because it forces them to reconsider the consequences of their "happiness quest."
@@michaelwill7811 What are you saying??? I wasn't actually talking about street preachers...but since you brought it up. For clarification....do you think it's ok, for someone to stand on a street corner, screaming into a megaphone that homosexuals are an abomination and should be put to death?
@@zamiel3 "I wasn't actually talking about street preachers" Neither was I, so, it is interesting that you took the chat in that direction. I think though that, deep down, that's what you meant. People stand on corners and shout all sorts of things I don't care to hear. However, I don't plan on violating the US Constitution because I don't want to hear what they are saying... I can simply go elsewhere. Blaming Christians for something that some crazy person said, is almost as bad as what the crazy person said. Sure, us Christians think homosexuality is a sin but we know that punishment for sin is God's responsibility, not ours. We are *commanded by God* to love ALL people the way that He loves us. You are, I think, confused about the difference between a Christian and someone using the religion to further their own agenda. Please try to remember that just because someone says they are a Christian, it isn't necessarily true... I could say I am a billionaire, doesn't make it true.
@@michaelwill7811 I literally said I wasn't talking about street preachers. If you choose "deep down" to believe something else, that's because your heart is filled with doubt. That's something you need to work on, instead of allowing doubt to distort truth. You were the one who brought up "speaking in public about beliefs", "free speech", and "Christians speaking out about truth". Maybe "deep down", you just wanted to project that on to me. To relieve some guilt you felt for bringing it up in the first place. For you to say, that the person spewing Bible passages about abominations against God..isn't a Christian is absurd. They believe they are a Christian, just as much as other Christians believe themselves to be. I'm sure there are some that would say you aren't a "real" Christian as well. Simply for misquoting the words of Jesus. You aren't *commanded by GOD* to love ALL people as HE loves us". An example of religion being forced on someone or being harmful. One would be the court ruling that allows Hobby Lobby and Conestoga to exclude a full range of contraceptives from the insurance plan...because of their "sincerely held religious beliefs". Which violated the Affordable Care Act..effecting their employees who don't hold those beliefs. It also brings further issues with the RFRA that weren't ruled on. This opens the door for any company to refuse any healthcare products and services, from insurance plans, for any "sincerely held belief". Would you want your, or a loved one's, heart surgery to be "not covered" because of a "sincerely held religious belief" says blood transfusions are a sin?
Jesus said that those that believe me she'll see heaven ...I believe in Jesus 100% because I'm also believing that God has created all things 100% because his design patents of his creations being geometry, mathematics, and scientific calculations are his signature of all his creations, it's all around us and within us. We have drawn on Gods mathematical genius laws to create the industrial revolution, the atom bomb, etc, etc. We use Gods mathematical design to make what ever we want be it for good or evil, the equations are there to draw from. When our last breath is expelled we meet Jesus.
Sorry, but i really do not get your point. So you believe that this god is more real than the endless amount of other gods we humans invented because...this universe is only dead and lethal to 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999..%?
Hello people at Biola University! I found this material very resourceful. I woork with some brothers to translate material from English to Spanish to share with the Spanish speaking community. I was hoping if you could grant me the permission to translate this video and share it on our channel. Of course we would add the original link to your RUclips Channel. We would give all the credit to you and Dr. Habermas. Thank you very much for your time.
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Gary is great. I got to see him about three years ago near Seattle. Some Christian teacher don't like his "minimal facts" approach but I think it provides a great foundation. Skeptic or Atheist - you can't really get past the minimal evidence for the resurection.
LOL! Absurd claims by anonymous fanatics found in manuscripts dated hundreds of years after the supposed events are not "evidence" for the claims being true! Learn some critical thinking skills. Something is true because the Quran says so, or the Book of Mormon, etc? All Christian defenses are variations of three logical fallacies: 1) "Magic book says so" (fallacy of circular reasoning), 2) "Some anonymous member of my cult claimed that these stories are true in an ancient manuscript dated hundreds of years after the supposed events" (fallacy of anonymous authority), or 3) “Some member of my cult believes that these absurd claims are true, on faith” (fallacy of non sequitur), none of which is EVIDENCE that the stories are true.
@@mythbuster1483 Wow, where do I start. Your reply is more of a rant than a thoughtful critique but I'll give it a shot. The Biblical New Testament, has the oldest and best attestations of any ancient religious or philosophical work with over 25,000 handwritten copys or fragments in eight different languages. Oldest copys of important ancient works are typically hundreds of or even a thousand years more recent than the original. The oldest New Testament fragment is a portion of the book of John dated about 40 years after the original. Most of the New Testament could be assembled just from the writings of the early Church Fathers (disciples of the Apostles). Even uber skeptical Biblical scholar Bart Ehrman admits that no cardinal doctrine of the church is in doubt.
Dr. Gary Habermas didn't just fall off the turnip truck. He is considered a great Biblical scholar and he is the world's greatest living authority on the resurrection of Jesus - not an exaggeration. Obviously, you don't believe in the resurrection but that doesn't mean there is no historical evidence. Jurist Simon Greenleaf said “The foundation of our religion is a basis of fact - the fact of the birth, ministry, miracles, death, resurrection by the Evangelists as having actually occurred, within their own personal knowledge.” Greenleaf set the standard for what evidence could be admitted in a court of law in America. He also co-founded Harvard school of law. J. Warner Wallace is probably the preeminent cold case homicide detective today with a record of 30 to zero cold cases won. He was a happy, fulfilled and content Atheist and routinely ate Christians for lunch. He decided to examine the four gospels more or less on a dare. Using forensic statement analysis he determined that the new testament writers were bona fide eyewitnesses. He is now a leading Christian apologist. If you believe in the Big Bang and the origin of life on Earth from non-living matter then you already believe in much bigger miracles than God raising a man from the grave. The odds against both of those happening are super-astronomical.
@@craigbirchfield417 I appreciate your response, but unfortunately, you've been lied to. Regarding all the supposed manuscripts, you failed to mention that none date from the 1st century, none are by the original authors, and you don't even have fragments reliably dated to the 2nd century, as you claimed with John. Your earliest complete manuscripts are from the 4th century, are filled with proven fiction, forgery and evidence of editing, and no two read the same, and they were all written by anonymous, biased cult members who had both motive and opportunity to alter the texts. Gary Habermas is a fundamentalist fanatic who is outside the mainstream of biblical scholarship. What do REAL scholars say about him? Dr. Brent Landau, professor of Religion at the University of Texas: “Yet the two biblical scholars who are featured in the movie [The Case for Christ], Gary Habermas and William Lane Craig, both teach at institutions (Liberty University and Biola University, respectively) that require their faculty to sign statements affirming that they believe the Bible is inspired by God and is free of any contradictions, historical inaccuracies or moral failings. For example, the Liberty University faculty application requires assent to the following statement: “We affirm that the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, though written by men, was supernaturally inspired by God so that all its words are written true revelation of God; it is therefore inerrant in the originals and authoritative in all matters.” The overwhelming majority of professional biblical scholars teaching in the United States and elsewhere are not required to sign such statements of faith. Many of the other scholars he interviews in his book have similar affiliations. Strobel has thus drawn from a quite narrow range of scholars that are not representative of the field as a whole.” - 'The Case for Christ': What's the evidence for the resurrection?
@@craigbirchfield417 Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: “Of our 5,500-some Greek manuscripts, over 94 percent were made after the eighth century. In other words, 94 percent of our surviving manuscripts were produced 700 years or more after the originals. So we have a lot of manuscripts, but most of them are not very close to the date of the originals. Most of them are from the Middle Ages. How many mistakes are in these manuscripts?...There are more differences in our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament. Some scholars will tell you there are 200,000 differences, some will tell you 300,000 differences, some say 400,000. I don’t know. It’s something like that; between 300,000 and 400,000 would be my guess.” - The Reliability of the New Testament
@@craigbirchfield417 Dr. Kenneth W. Clark, professor at Duke University, expert on Greek New Testament manuscripts: “The simple fact of *MASSIVE TEXTUAL VARIATIONS* (small and large) is beyond denial or refutation…These revisions clearly were made with deliberate intent and, furthermore, they do alter the sense of the text and affect the interpretation…We may well begin to ask if there really was a stable text at the beginning. We talk of recovering the original text, and of course every document had such a text. But the earliest witnesses to NT text even from the first century already show such variety and freedom that we may well wonder if the text remained stable long enough to hold a priority…it may be doubted that there is evidence of one original text to be recovered.” - The Theological Relevance of Textual Variation in Current Criticism of the Greek New Testament, Journal of Biblical Literature, Vol. 85, No. 1
Hello. I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending acknowledgement of the existence of gods until sufficient evidence can be presented. My position is that *_I have no good reason to acknowledge the existence of gods._* And here is the evidence as to why I currently hold to such a position. 1. I personally have never observed a god. 2. I have never encountered a person whom has claimed to have observed a god. 3. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity. 4. I have never been presented a valid logical argument which also employed sound premises that lead deductively to a conclusion that a god(s) exists. 5. Of the 46 logical syllogisms I have encountered arguing for the existence of a god(s), I have found all to contain multiple fallacious or unsubstantiated premises. 6. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon. 7. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered _vice versa._ 8. I have never experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event. 9. Every phenomena that I have ever observed has *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity. 10. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have encountered have either been refuted to my satisfaction, or do not present as falsifiable. ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the existence of a god. I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding such acknowledgement until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstatiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._* I welcome any cordial response. Peace.
But we have *LOTS* of evidence for liars, and lying being common and easy, and lots of evidence for credulous idiots who will believe anything on faith...but *ZERO* evidence for gods, talking snakes, talking donkeys, 900-year-old men, or virgin-born demigods with superpowers, rotting corpses magically returning to life after 3 days, etc.
@@Glorious716 It's okay to admit that you've been conned by liars. "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that the Bible is full of lies , even if they refuse to use the term." www.huffpost.com/entry/the-bible-telling-lies-to_b_840301
Ressurection stories were common in Greek literary tradition. The gospel writers, obviously writing to their Greek (gentile) audience, would follow that tradition. The biography of Alexander, and many other "hero" stories, also contained the ressurection element. For the contemporary audience it was no surprise that they wrote that Jesus had ressurected. Alot of "hero's" in stories did. In fact, it would be quite strange to them if their hero didn't "get up from the dead".
19:26 He made an error right here when he said "Matthew plus 80" when what he meant to say was Matthew 80AD or plus 50. He accidentally began confusing the relative dates with the time differences.
From another lecture he gave, I would say you are correct. In the other lecture, he places all of the Gospels before 70 AD because the temple was destroyed in 70 AD and NONE of them mention what would not only be a huge deal in and of itself (the temple's destruction) but also because Jesus predicted its destruction and it would be been a great confirmation.
@@michaelwill7811 But the gospels *DO* mention the temple's destruction, which would place the dates of the hypothetical, lost original manuscripts *AFTER* 70 CE. But we don't have any of the lost original texts, and don't know what they said. The earliest complete manuscripts of any of the gospel *STORIES* are dated hundreds of years later, written by anonymous, biased fanatics based on edited versions of edited versions of edited versions of the lost originals. Additionally, the earliest texts are filled with proven fiction, forgery and fraud.
@@michaelwill7811 Mark 13:2. The gospels of Matthew and Luke are plagiarized re-writes of Mark, so that puts their dates later. This is common knowledge. Dr. James Tabor, Biblical scholar and Professor of Early Christianity at the University of North Carolina: "Of the four gospels, Mark, not Matthew, comes first, written sometime around A.D. 80 or later. Mark gives no account of Jesus’ birth at all, miraculous or otherwise, and most strikingly, in his original version, as we will see, there are no post-resurrection appearances of Jesus to the disciples! This fact alone provides us with an important key to unraveling the mystery surrounding the empty tomb. The author of Mark preserves for us a stage of history when the Jesus story is being told with an entirely different ending...What this means is that for several decades, when there were no other gospels but Mark in circulation, Christians were relating the Jesus story without the two elements that later came to be considered foundational for the Christian faith-Jesus’ virgin birth and his Easter morning appearances." Paul and Jesus: How the Apostle Transformed Christianity, pg 65-66, www.amazon.com/Paul-Jesus-Apostle-Transformed-Christianity/dp/1439123322
@@michaelwill7811 Boston College, The Dating of the Gospels: "the vast majority of researchers believe that Mark was the first Gospel to be written, sometime around the year 70. This scholarly consensus holds that the Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Luke were composed, independently of one another, sometime in the 80s or 90s. " www.bc.edu/bc-web/schools/stm/sites/crossroads/resources/mini-course/death-of-jesus/introductory-materials.html
Great talk and I love the walk around. What I don't love is when speakers congratulate a questioner "good question" or I think GH said "excellent question". This means that every question that doesn't get congratulated is not a good or excellent question...perhaps they are dopey, dumb, dull, idiotic questions. But the game is not about the 'quality' of the question in the mind of the answerer, its the need for the answer in the mind of the questioner. When I speak I want questions, I don't want to discourage anyone (oops, I better not ask a question because I might not have a good/excellent question, just an ordinary dull one). So I say 'thanks for that question' then I answer it. Or I say, 'let me think for a moment', or I just darn well answer without judging. Imagine going to your doctor who says, 'now that's an interesting disease'...not good. Well same thing. Just don't do it.
You make a good point here. (Am I implying all other points made in the comments are not good points?) This sounds more like a personal sensitivity you have for some reason rather than a worthwhile concern that we all need to change our behavior based on.
If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult, then it MUST be a reliable source?!!
What a speaker is saying is that they perceive that the audience understands the subject matter. The evidence for that is that they recognize the progression of the thesis! It’s an unintentional way to encourage the audience to pursue the thesis with increasingly more insightful questions! Just saying! I’ve been listening to this man for 40 years and he is so relaxed and confident in his knowledge of the current scholarship! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼✝️🙏🏼
The argument against the amount of source materials for Jesus that makes the most sense is that ultimately it doesn't matter if we are wrong about Alexander the Great. Belief in him requires nothing of us. It offers some interesting insight into how the will play into our beliefs. The threat to their beliefs bit goes both ways and is certainly justified because none of us really keeps out beliefs to ourselves. We all restrict one another with them politically. But the idea that most atheist apologist have daddy issues seems pretty spot on to me.
When someone is dead it means you will never see them again. That is what "dead" means. Someone can die without leaving a body behind. To say that Jesus was resurrected is to say that he wasn't dead. it is not a question of science or evidence, but a question of the meaning of words. Misunderstanding of the meaning of the resurrection is what spun Christianity off into the clouds.
Lol, lol…your entire comment is a cheap fallacy! Your idiocracy is evident in your opening statement “Being dead means you will never see them again”- really! Wrong because that’s not necessarily true someone can moved to a different country and you’ll no see them again but doesn’t mean they’re dead…right!? Being dead is to ceased to exist…Get a life because whether you believe it or not Jesus Christ is the risen Lord! Ps. You don’t know the meaning of anything! Please, explain how your nut brain works when you say that “someone can die without leaving a body behind”!?
Platforms like this are a problem because open comments are allowed and anyone and I mean anyone can pretend to know something in this case God and spewed their ignorance into the world carelessly! Like you…
How can someone die without leaving a body behind?. Did you ever hear about what happens when someone drops an atomic bomb? you should try to be a little less rude. @@bootsie280
@ around 1:09:55 and on of the Q&A, it made me think of a debate James White had with Bart Ehrman and Dr. Ehrman's first rebuttal was surprisingly an emotional plea to the audience to discredit Dr. White's presentation on the reliability of the NT. He admitted that Dr. White's presentation was cogent and well thought out and praised Dr. White for being smart along with a lot of intelligent of Christians out there. But he asked people to look past what Dr. White presented as if to say it was a biased view. Dr. White, in my opinion, gave one of the best responses to Bart Ehrman's critiques of the NT in this debate that I've heard and I've listened to a lot of debates involving Dr. Ehrman. So yes, while atheists and agnostics present some challenges to the faith, there seems to be some angry ones out there.
The problem with most religious nuts is that they don't understand what EVIDENCE is, or how CLAIMS differ from FACTS. Liars can claim anything, right? 'Some guy said so' is not EVIDENCE that his claim is true, and 'some anonymous, biased cult member made supernatural claims' is the LEAST CREDIBLE kind of claim. Do you understand why that is? And yet, that's all you have with the gospel fairy tales. Some biased member of your cult wrote a story, and you believe it on faith. But fools can believe anything on faith, right? The point is that you don't have a scrap of credible EVIDENCE that the CLAIMS are true.
@@andys3035 Also, regarding your claim of "angry" atheists and agnostics, I don't see any of them telling their followers to murder the wives and children of those who believe differently, like your cult's holy book does: "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). So you’d murder your neighbor’s entire family, including his infant, if some man claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said you should? If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased cult members, then it MUST be a reliable source?!!
@@andys3035 At least there's no harm in believing absurd supernatural claims with no evidence! "Christian father shot his son dead for being gay" Daily Mail. Where would he get that crazy idea? "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (Lev. 20:13). It's not like the bible contains proven lies by liars, right? "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *the Bible is full of lies* , even if they refuse to use the term." Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina
You and everyone who believes evolution “believes Darwin and his band of compadres”, what’s the difference?? We have more proof of the existence of God than that far fetched lie that all became into existence by a cosmic mistake..
@@bootsie280people accept evolution as true due to the overwhelming amount of evidence not because Darwin published the origin of species……from my personal experience (take it how you will) the only people who constantly bring up Darwin when referring to Evolution are the very people who deny Evolution…
@@AlCapwnd-tb5ow - what other “OVERWHELMING” evidence there is to evolution besides of what Darwin deemed to be is taught!? None all that is an extension of Darwin’s original lie…nothing new same lie repackaged!! For your FYI, I do believe in science as the study of the species.. from the beginning of the age to today the earth’s topology, climate etc., has definitely gone through many changes therefore everything else have to adapt to its current environment…just because I believe in God doesn’t mean I denied the things that happens in nature…
If we weren't animals, we wouldn't have all of the same features as animals. Take a look at all mammals, and their immediate ancestral classes, the reptiles and the amphibians. ALL have a skeleton, head, body, four limbs, two eyes, two ears, a nasal structure, a mouth, an anus, female/male reproductive organs, a brain, kidneys, spleen and most of the exact internal organs. We all live, sleep, eat, think and eventually die. All of these factors indicate our comparative relationships to each other. 'But we're more intelligent than animals!' I hear the creationists scream. Not from what I can see on this page, you're not.@@bootsie280
He's an interesting speaker. Has an air of confidence in what he says. I disagree. Listening and learning from both sides, I lean atheism pretty hard. Not convinced God is real.
It’s not like believers aren’t familiar with leaning atheistic. Most believers were atheists by the way they lived, before being born again as believers. You cannot be on God’s team without an invitation. Don’t think God is begging for believers. If there’s a beggar, it’s us. But God being God, doesn’t leave us orphans, begging forever. He adopts us as sons and daughters.
To begin, my life has been one of creativity. It is that through creating I came to know of Love and through Love did I come to create. The dynamic at work in it all for me has been my imagination, and that my work as a composer serves as testament to my Faith in God, given that I consider God to be my imagination. Some thoughts worth considering if I may, in light of the above, and the creative spirit that has gifted this world so many things at which we marvel, and that more often than not serve to sustain us as a species: Consider if you will, a mind whose imagination knew no bounds in tailoring such spectacles as 'The Taming of the Shrew'; who penned tales of truth and treachery, benevolence and betrayal, love and death, and death as sacrifice in honour of love; dualities within a state to tax even the greatest of truths, the likes of which the world will never bear witness to again. A man whose mind sustained him; in whom the rhythm and texture of words found no other counterpart within the genre of his expression, neither before or after the advent of his being; not in any penned history, tragedy or comedy, neither poem nor varied part that saw his art adapted by way of experimental variance to the contemporary so as to appeal more simply to the herds that otherwise might not have heard his "teachings" for what they were. Where it could well be argued that the canon of works comprising thirty-seven plays, two narrative poems and a collection of sonnets Shakespeare presented to the world "says it all", did not Jesus say it all too, but more precisely, and with no less poetry at play by way of The Sermon on the Mount, and has not The Sermon on the Mount stood the greater test of time? Not that it can be held true, nor even refuted, for we will never surely know, but how much of Shakespeare's work, if we consider it in just proportion to the highest of ideals, could be aligned to the allure of such a sermon that might have served as serum for the sorrows of his own personal life, the death of his son in 1596, his father in 1601 and his mother seven years later in 1608, not to mention the approach of his own passing in 1616, the cause of which is not known ... What frailties of the human experience does Shakespeare touch upon that Jesus did not to divine the way? Against the arras that was to become the backdrop for all subsequent literary endeavours by poets and playwrights alike, being of expression the most ideal, let us now consider The Holy Scriptures, penned as they were so many centuries before, believed by the devout to be a matter of fact, and the "in doubt" a moment of mere fiction; how in light of love their provenance matters little but for the friction that is of this: * For any mind to imagine the coming of a Messiah; the presence of a divinity in human form, that such a form as was Jesus became The Christ who made the blind to see and the lame to walk; who removed illness and raised the dead but to be sacrificed for the sins of the world as was he so humbled before the face of humankind at its most cruel, and then to be resurrected, suggests that within the scribes who had not the inherent styling of speech as did Shakespeare, but whose servitude was such in purity to possibly surpass him - each purity of thought being a pause for thought - was the presence of The Divine, a consummate spirit that was itself both the creator and the creation of His Story: History. How could they have been "imagined" otherwise? How can you first imagine God without God first being present within you? How does any artist imagine their ideal without that ideal first being present in his or her being, or is that where our humility draws the line, at any hint we should so honour the power that first bestowed upon us that by which we ourselves are honoured? To that must then be considered this: how can you first imagine evil without evil first being present within you? How could even Shakespeare first imagine treachery without treachery first being present in him? But then, things can be consciously willed and that they be so willed does not imply one necessarily has the want to occasion them. Conversely, you do not have to be present in God for God to be present within you, and is that not the divine mercy of God, that his love is so to remain present and regardless? It is that whatever tale you tell should adhere to the highest tenet of truth any legalism or casuistry can ever admit, the truth that saw jealousy kill Jesus. And what about the music of Bach, a voice "not quite God" but near enough to at least make you want to believe in the Almighty, and at most exclaims : "I do!" And for that matter, what of the matter that is of you? If The Bible is the sum total of its contradictions, is that not Life? Is that not Love? Is not the greater question one of acceptance? Are we not all, as is Life and Love, the sum total of our contradictions? Therefore, is not The Bible a testament of Life and the treasury of Love one's faith requires of it to be - whatever your belief - if in what you believe there is the presence of love? Why bother to debunk or even approve of it, after all, are we not ourselves the greatest piece of fiction before the reality that will be our fate! Is that anything to shake a spear at?
The idea that early Christianity was unified is simply untrue, it was a complete mess. In many of Paul's letters he's attacking other Christians for saying thing's that he doesn't believe in. In Acts Peter & John are described as unlearned & ignorant men. I'm struggling to believe that everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet.
24:35 he covers exactly what's wrong with the historicity of the Bible compared to other ancient historical sources. We know Julius Caesar was attributed with divinity after his death, but no historian actually accepts that as true, despite taking other bits of information that actually render plausibility within the same source. Historians treat explicitly religious texts in a far less accepting manner. Another good example would be that they don't believe that the oracle of Delphi had any prophetic powers despite the countless accounts of accurate predictions and the discovery of their temple. The Bible is absolutely historically useful for trying to understand first century Christians. However, this is not indicative of the truthfulness to the miracle claims.
@@ballasog He has a Doctor of Philosophy from Michigan state university and a master's degree in philosophical theology from the University of Detroit. Pretty smart I would think As to the second part. Are you saying that people with a religious belief and/or religious background are not smart? That's not necessarily true. There have been s lot of smart people, past and present, that have had religion as a pronounced part of their life. Can world views get in the way of learning and teaching? Absolutely
@@CedanyTheAlaskan He teaches at Liberty University. I'm not saying people with a religious belief and religious background are not smart, but smart people generally don't belong to the freakshow denominations that make up white evangelicalism. And You can tell Habermas is a stone idiot because he makes the stupidest resurrection argument that can be imagined, and he uses near-death experiences to back it up. Stupid is as stupid does. Q.E.D.
@@ballasog Well said! Habermas is also contractually obligated to defend Liberty University's faith statement, or he could lose his lucrative job selling lies to gullible fanatics.
Love your work. Would love a scaled down, linear presentation. You are always interrupting your main points, to give sidebars. I forget where you are going. Takes patience as a listener.
I actually like that. It gives Gary a more natural and authentic delivery because he stutters, goes of topic and occasionally mixes up names and dates. For me, it actually makes his argument better because you can tell he believes it so deeply that he doesn't need it to be scripted and can just deliver it off the cuff. It's a stark contrast to Lee Strobel. I watched one of Lee's talks and started watching another but quickly realised the second was almost line for line identical to the first one. I believe that Lee believed what he was saying but he doesn't have Gary's relaxed and confident charisma because it's clear he needs to plan his speeches beforehand.
Dr. Robert W. Funk (chairman of the graduate department of religion at Vanderbilt University): "Information derived from what nameless or unnamed people say is called ‘hearsay.’ The foundation of the critical approach to the gospels is the recognition that much of the information in the gospels is based on hearsay." - The Acts of Jesus: The Search for the Authentic Deeds of Jesus
The only problem with that argument is that every bit of evidence for any person in history is hearsay. Or came to us from sources that were written 1000 years after the fact. Or we only have "evidence" in the form of buildings that were built or stuff like that. Nobody for example has any evidence for any speeches a person in antiquity held, except for hearsay.
We have to understand that the huge thing that is taught is the faith factor. The bible says, without faith it is impossible to please God. He also reminded Thomas of these points. Thomas demanded the evidence of his wombs. Then Jesus rebukes him. Why ? He had no faith unless he sees the evidence first. He had no faith in God unless he sees evidence. Another way to explain this is when a child comes to the Father and he doesn't understand anything about science (required evidence by man). So he asks his dad if he can go ice skating. The dad says no son, the ice is too thin. The Father understands science. So what pleases the father is, his son having faith in him and says, " Thanks dad I won't go ice skating ? " To which the Father is well pleased. One of the other factors that exist is the belief that because you have a university degree it means you are smarter than the next person. Nothing could be further from the truth. Why ? When Jesus was only 7 years old he was in the temple speaking with these religious scholars. The scholars were absolutely amazed at his answers. (Now I would also like to point out that this doesn't mean you should not go to university ) The difference is because you have a degree does not necessarily mean you are more intelligent than those who do have a degree. Why do you suppose some universities give honorary degrees to certain individuals in society. Here's the reason why. When Thomas Edison invented most of his inventions there were no books written on his inventions yet. So how could anyone learn how a light bulb for example was produced. The engineering students would not have had the material to learn. One of the other verses in the bible which actually leads to this thought is, Who taught God ? You cannot even fathom the mind of God ! Paul also pointed to this analysis. Gary was also dead on when he leads to the analogy about when the New Testament was written. Now also remember the disciples do not really come to faith until after the resurrection of Jesus. Jesus basically told them this would happen to them, but they did not get it until the resurrection occurred. He said I most go first. Then they would understand after his death. Remember all the times Peter rejected Jesus. Jesus told him this would occur. So one day Peter is having a real bad day fishing. Then out of nowhere he hears this voice giving him instructions on where to cast his net. I am sure he recognized the voice but at first he doesn't get it. Then when he is obedient and listens to his voice. His boat is swamped with fish. Instantly he recognizes that voice. Why ? Peter was receiving a miracle. Now you have to remember Peter abandoned him at and after the cross. But he instantly realizes Jesus still had not given up on him. It was then when Peter's life was changed forever. He indeed had a friend who not only pursued him, but never abandoned him ! For the first time Peter realized this verse or saying from Jesus. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit-fruit that will last-and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. 17 This is my command: Love each other. John 15: 12-17
Religious nuts are LESS moral than nonbelievers. Could you convince an atheist to stab an infant to death? With credulous fanatics, all you have to do is claim "gawd"! "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3).
@@Glorious716 Why is it so easy to get credulous members of your cult to murder children and infants just by claiming that god said so? "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). Hopefully members of a death cult don’t murder your entire family just because some member of their cult claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said they should. If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult who thought the world was flat and illness was caused by demons, then it MUST be a reliable source of real history, right?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
Why do people disbelieve despite the evidence? Habermas says people believe what they want to believe despite the evidence. True. And similarly there are those who believe despite no evidence. Habermas falls by his own statement. His evidence is weak, yet he believes. He believes in the resurrection because he wants to believe.
I find it interesting that we cannot verify supernatural events in modern times, such as haunting or other mysteries claimed to be supernatural, but then confidently claim the study of history can perform this task based on written descriptions alone. All explanations for the supernatural are guesswork because if the supernatural is “beyond” the bounds of nature, no natural means can investigate them. The field of history is as incapable of confirming the supernatural as a yardstick is incapable of measuring how heavy something is. The tool is just not capable of the task. We can use history to explore what people said, wrote, or believed about the event, but can know nothing about the event itself. Here’s a challenge: use historical research along to demonstrate the validity of the Flying Dutchman’s existence. This should be easy since we have eyewitness from modern times giving testimony in their own words. This should be even more convincing than the Gospels, shouldn’t it?
Do you know of anyone who is (or was, if not modern) so absolutely convinced that they saw the Flying Dutchman that they would have died rather than deny it? There are plenty of things that people see, which may or may not be figments of their imaginations. The difference between those supernatural phenomena and the resurrection is that the witnesses fully believed it and went to their deaths believing it; some of them did not even believe in Jesus until they saw him after his death. Anyone can say they saw anything. It's quite another thing entirely to say it in the face of torture and death.
@@lauraandrews1676 There really isn't as much evidence for Christian martyrs as you think there are. It's an oversold argument. Sean McDowell is a good Christian resource who talks about this. But let's ignore actual history for a moment. How do you imagine a martyr scenario would play out, exactly? Romans: "Deny your master or you'll die!" Disciple: "OK, I made it all up! Just let me go!" Romans: "Oh, well, okay then. I guess the rules say we're forced to set you free. Dang it!" Roman 2: "We really should stop giving them that option. Why do we let then recant again?" Roman 1: *shrug* Even if we go so far as to say some disciple were tortured to death for their beliefs, there is zero reason to believe they were ever given the opportunity to recant, and if they were given the opportunity, that their captors would actually set them free instead of simply kill them as a deterrent to others.
@@lauraandrews1676 Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies, University of North Carolina: “We don’t know what happened to most of the disciples in the end. We certainly have no evidence that they were all martyred for their faith. On the contrary, almost certainly most of them were not. So there is no need for talk about anyone dying for a lie.” - How Jesus Became God.
@@lauraandrews1676 Dr. Candida Moss, professor of early Christianity at the University of Notre Dame: "On the Roman side, there is very little historical or archaeological evidence for the widespread persecution of Christians...Then there were the STORIES about early Christian martyrs, commonly known as 'martyr acts' or martyrdom stories...The vast majority of these STORIES, however, were written long after the events they purport to describe. There are literally hundreds of STORIES describing the deaths of thousands of early Christian martyrs, but almost everyone of these stories is legendary...for those interested in the history of martyrdom, fabrication causes a problem. In some of these cases, scholars are not sure that the people described in these stories even existed, much less that they were martyred." The Myth of Persecution: How Early Christians Invented a Story of Martyrdom, pg 14 - 16
Why can't it be true that God intervened through miracles in the past but not now? We refuse to believe it unless it's ongoing? That's not a foolproof method of determining the past, is it?
@@steveschmidt6847 I don't think you're being honest because there's no way that you're actually that dumb. Just in case you're not a liar and you're just an idiot, "we" refers to anyone who does not agree with him. In this case, since the king dunce Habermas specifically said that "skeptics" accept his positions, you could at the very least have identified "skeptics" as being in the "we" category. Honestly, what an insanely stupid question.
Watched this a couple times, haven't seen a cameo by any Dr. Gary Habermas yet...what video is everyone else in the comments seeing or is there a b side I'm missing... 🤔
The fundamental problem here is that all the evidence is internal to the NT. Characters in a story saying things does not constitute evidence, unless there is independent verification. So, when Tacitus writes that "Tiberius did such and such" or that "The Roman Legions in Germany attacked this or that place" one's evidence for the existence of the people mentioned and the deeds attested is not confined to the text. There are substantial amounts of corroborating evidence, whether other texts, archaeology, etc. But, if I were to suggest that because hundreds of people watched Harry Potter win a Quidditch match, we have evidence of the existence of Harry Potter, Quidditich, and the Match, the problem would be that other than the text itself, there is no other corroborating evidence. Of course, as we all know, the testimony of fictional characters does not constitute evidence of anything. The NT is a lot more like a Harry Potter book than it is like Tacitus. There is very little external corroboration of the people and events, significantly less, even, than for the Old Testament. Even the very existence of Jesus as an actual, historical person has scant evidence, outside the NT, with Josephus being one of the most notable examples and those sections of Josephus, now, are increasingly believed to have been added later. And certainly, we have no evidence that the characters in the stories who say they saw Jesus after he died existed or that they actually said anything of the sort, other than what it says in the NT itself. Sorry, Gary. Do not pass "Go," do not collect $200."
Give me non-Romans sources for the life of Nero. I want non-Roman sources since Romans writers are bias and write with political agenda. Therefore any account of the character of Nero as portrayed by Suetonius and Tacitus for example cannot be trusted as having any basis in history but historical fiction. It is just like reading Harry Potter.
The New Testament has LOTS of collaboration. Like the reign of Herod, Pontius Pilate, the High Priest Caiaphas, Saducees, Pharisees, Tiberius Caesar, the Jewish Temple layout, the layout of first century Palestine, etc. You are just a biased Fundy atheist using double standards when it comes to viewing documents.
LogosTheos _"Give me non-Romans sources for the life of Nero. I want non-Roman sources since Romans writers are bias and write with political agenda."_ There exists archaeological evidence of Nero, such as official Roman currency. I'm sorry, but your attempt to even the playing field here doesn't work at all.
LogosTheos _"The New Testament has LOTS of collaboration. Like the reign of Herod, Pontius Pilate, the High Priest Caiaphas, Saducees, Pharisees, Tiberius Caesar, the Jewish Temple layout, the layout of first century Palestine, etc."_ In what way does this substantiate other claims about magical people? You seem to be arguing that we should believe that Spiderman exists because the comics about him talk about New York. _"You are just a biased Fundy atheist using double standards when it comes to viewing documents."_ Nah, Bayes theorem demands that rational inference always adjusts the demand for evidence according to the background evidence. That is, when someone claims people do impossible things like walking on water, this has to be accompanied with equally impressive evidence. When the claims are about things that are unheard of, they will also be inherently less probable than alternative hypotheses such as "people lied or were mistaken". That said, I don't trust much of the sources you point to there either. Suetonius is a worthless historical source who transmits the most inane slander. Even so, it's possible to treat his writings as hypotheses that might be substantiated by archaeology. In any case, I'm sorry to tell you that you're wildly irrational if you think that having substantiated the existence of Pontius Pilate you are now free to believe that magic took place 2000 years ago. This would be objectively invalid reasoning.
It's quite comical reading your comment after watching the video (which I'm assuming you haven't). We literally have more contemporary sources on Jesus than we do Tiberius Caesar, even excluding writings in the New Testament (21:15).
@@EricTheYounger If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult, then it MUST be a reliable source?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
waterborne I get that I’m very late to the party, but yes, it sounds to me like that’s his argument. Everyone, everywhere is now wrong about everything, and now nothing from history is knowable, because if we fairly apply the normal standards of evidence that all historians use in all other situations to THIS topic, it would force him to have to consider something that makes him uncomfortable. Sigh... This is the sad state of intellectual honesty in our world, and it only seems to be getting worse.
Habermas' examples of Alexander the Great (20:22) and Tiberius (21:27) as comparandums for the Bible are unfortunate because they do undermine his case somewhat. While it is true that the surviving histories concerning Alexander the Great are much later, he ignores the wealth of non-literary evidence: archaeological (so the Macedonian royal tomb has been discovered at Aegae), epigraphical (contemporary inscriptions made by, in the name of, or for, Alexander), and numismatic (coins) evidence. In short, we have coins with Alexander's face on them, and the eastern half of the Roman empire speaks Greek for a reason. Much is the same evidentially for Tiberius, who was actually a very successful general before becoming emperor, and his career is well-knowable. As a point of detail, the earliest history referencing Tiberius is not Tacitus but Velleius Paterculus, who served under Tiberius and was an exact contemporary, publishing his history in 30 AD while Tiberius was emperor. Herod Antipas founds the city Tiberias, named after the emperor (his friend) in 17 AD. Finally, Habermas' date for Mark (19:10) and suggestion that 40 years is not a long time in the ancient world is a little misleading because the average lifespan in antiquity is around 20 years old. So 40 years is two generations into the future. Two generations' worth of time is a big deal, especially for something as unique and apparently fantastical as someone literally coming back from the dead.
@@HS-zk5nn Prove that magic CAN happen for a start. Also, it'd be great if you could find some contemporary historical accounts of Jesus because nobody else ever has.
@@HS-zk5nn It's not science, so it's magic. There are no accounts of Jesus other than the Gospels, which were written at least 350 years after his supposed lifetime.
If you’re not a born again Christian then chances are that you’ll be unable to place your right palm on the KJV and say these words once only. Rev.12:9 The devil deceives the whole world. ❤️✝️Jn.3:7
"The devil deceives the whole world." What again was this good for? Was this some kind of magical spell? what´s the effect? But i have a challenge for you as well: I bet that no born-again Christian is able to present even a single rational argument for his god to be more real than all the millions of other gods worldwide.
@@variousbirdspecieshahaha Sure, no problem, i will link it to you, but given that i did as you asked, please at least try to complete my challenge as well. Try to present a single rational argument that should convince an open mind that your god is more real than all the other gods worldwide. And one question, what´s the point with this "The devil deceives the whole world."? Is that something the devil can´t say or a magical spell, or what should that be good for? And if it doesn´t satisfy you when people write this text, what´s the difference if they make a video about voicing it? I really don´t get it. And if it is somehow necessary to make a video about it, what have people done before videos have been invented?
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I am 27 years old, and for the first 26 years of my life I was an atheist. I am also an alcoholic, drug addict, liar, manipulator, sinner. I have been sober for 18 months, and it is in direct correlation to the date when I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. I tried to quit ruining my life on my own... over and over again... every attempt ended in relapse and failure.
One day, I realized the booze and the drugs were not the problem... I WAS! I thought I was in control, but I wasn't. While I was busy thinking I was in control, my life was out of control. So I surrendered. I said, "You know what, Jesus might actually be who He said He was, and I have nothing to lose, so I am going to trust Him." My life, 18 months later, is surreal.
Maybe it's the placebo effect, maybe I am just "tricking" my brain, maybe it is all psychological... whatever. Maybe it is real? Maybe Jesus is the Son of God? I believe He is.
I am not writing this in an attempt to convert anyone to Christianity. I am merely putting my story, which is MUCH longer than this post, onto the internet for people to read. I have lived a life without Christ, and I have lived a life with Christ, and this life with Christ is so much more fulfilling than anything else I have ever experienced.
Whether you are a believer, agnostic, or atheist, I love you! I believe you have value, and are gifted beyond your wildest dreams!
Peace and blessings,
Tom
Tom Chilton you've been drinking since 1 years old? wtf
Tom Chilton you've been drinking since 1 years old? wtf
Tom Chilton good for you. I have found a belief in jesus has transformed many lives
Thanks Tom for sharing your testimony. If this was the placebo effect you would have been able to overcome your drug addiction on your own, but you weren't able to do that. So it was not the placebo, but God's power in Jesus name. I have also tried to overcome things without God's help, but failed. God the Father through Jesus the Son, is real and alive right now as I'm writing this. He certainly can and does help us when we call on Him. God bless you.
Awesome! God bless you and continue to live in his power that transforms lives through the cross.
I was born and raised Muslim. Christ redeemed me from the dead religion of Islam. The historical evidence for Christ's deity and resurrection are irrefutable!
Markus GH God bless you and keep you from those who would be inspired to kill you, as if they were doing Him a favor.
God bless you brother!
same dude its a happiness to being a child of god
The grace of Jesus be with you🖐
@HuckFinn Why do you call them liars?
After spending 25 years an electrical and software engineer, THIS may be the most beautiful piece of logic and reasoning I have ever heard! Thank you and God bless you 🙏🙏🙏
Apparently you never learned with logical fallacies were as a software engineer. Don’t murder any babies ‘on faith’ today just because some member of a death cult claims that God said so. "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). So you’d murder your neighbor’s entire family, including his infant, if some man claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said you should? If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult who thought the world was flat and illness was caused by demons, then it MUST be a reliable source of real history, right?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
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"Apparently you never learned with logical fallacies were as a software engineer."
What logical fallacies does Dr. Habermas commit? Could you provide time-stamps?
"Don’t murder any babies ‘on faith’ today just because some member of a death cult claims that God said so. "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). So you’d murder your neighbor’s entire family, including his infant, if some man claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said you should?"
Does Paul only claim that He saw Jesus? Wasn't Ananias also called to meet Paul? Consider the context.
"If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies,"
I do not recall the Bible mentioning any beings that eat brains.
"written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult who thought the world was flat and illness was caused by demons,"
Anonymous? How did you come to that conclusion? How is Judaism a "death cult?" Where does the Bible claim that the earth is flat (saying something has a circular nature does not count)?
"then it MUST be a reliable source of real history, right?!! SUCKER - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary"
What actually happened does not necessarily have to be repeatable.
Lolol this is not logic this is what you do when you have no logic he said themselves as I win tells you lose but he didn't actually demonstrate either of those points at all
Did anyone check your wiring?
Hey brother, I agree!
You can hear the logic and reasoning because you also have the wisdom and understanding of the Holy Spirit 🙏🕊🤓 But the Bible says that to those who are unregenerate, the wisdom of God sounds foolish. Count it all JOY!!! 😊👏👏👏🙌✝️
God bless you Dr. Gary Habermas. Your sound scholarship in the field of apologetics continues to be a source of encouragement and wisdom for the church. With all the fiery darts that are being thrown at Christianity today it is a breathe of fresh air to see scholarship and truth lead the way instead of preconceived notions and bias. Let the scriptures speak!!
***** Sure we do Dave. Gary is sound in his approach.
***** Tell me what happened to Christ's body ?
***** You must have an opinion.
***** All the Romans or Jews had to do was show the disciples that His body was in the tomb.
+David You have to take into account that it wasn't just the empty tomb , but the 40 day post resurrection appearances as well.
I remember before i gave my life to Christ i started reading a book called „Case for Christ „ by Lee Strobel. I remember that i threw it against the wall and rejected it. Lee has outstanding arguments for Christianity. I just didn’t want it to be true. Hardened hearts don’t get anywhere. I guess it was prayers that melted my heart.
Its your human arrogance that died in order for you to reborn! I was just the same! Thinking i knew better than God i kept rejecting him. Truth is ,we know nothing! God knows us better than we know ourselves! HE saved you ! He saved me 🙏🌟
It is purely by God's grace. The human heart is too corrupt to incline towards God on its own. God by his grace softens our hearts and enables us to accept the truth. Rejoice that you are amongst the elect that Christ died for.
Can you please name a single of these "outstanding arguments"? Just one?
@@hitman5782 how about the Apostles that gave their lives after Christ had been crucified. Do you think they did it to be safe or for money? They knew what it would probably mean and still they gave their lives! 🙏🙏
@@robertmclaren9620 How do you know that anybody gave his life for anything? That´s characters in a book. And anyway, what´s the point?
We have millions of Muslims willing to blow themselves up for Allah, and that´s in the real world, does that make Allah any more real?
We had sects where about 90% of all members committed suicide for their gods, so..?
All that shows is how unreal crazy religion is and what it is able to do with otherwise normal people.
I was raised in the Christian faith. But I didn't receive Christ until I was married and my wife was expecting our child. My Dad was a minister but I didn't know if God exisit. Jesus finally put the light on for me . My wife was a Christian. When she told me about the baby . I was so happy then sad . That something could happen to her and the baby during birth. Then Jesus put me on my knees showing me all the evil I had done. could come back to me. He opened my heart and mind when I accepted him as my Lord and saviour . I was so happy and full of love.I have stumbled but he's been there and picked me up every time and dusted me off and says it will be okay. Think you Jesus for coming into my life . I live by faith now. Knowing he's there. May God Bless All!!!!
Your dad was a minister. Quit acting like you were super far from Christianity. You weren't.
@@TruthDissident If you read what I put down. It stated that I was raised in a Christian home. But you can be near the faith .And still be far from God . May God Bless you!
@@billybarnes9208 Only imaginary gods need to be defended by credulous cult members. If a *MAGIC INVISIBLE SKY GENIE* really existed and wanted humans to know it, he could easily provide evidence himself, especially if he was “all-powerful”, as Christian cult members claim. So your stupid posts debunk your imaginary god. And the liars who wrote your fake holy book claimed that Jesus said, "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22). “Whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you" (John 16:23), "whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours" (Mark 11:24). We both know those claims are lies, which your posts also prove, since if they were true you would simply post a miracle video. Pray for Jesus to appear to you right now, and post the video of *NOTHING HAPPENING* ! LOL! Silly cultard----myths are for kids!
Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
God bless you all.
Dr. Tom Dykstra, Journal of the Orthodox Center for the Advancement of Biblical Studies: "We know that many of the gospel stories are pure fiction." ocabs.org/journal/index.php/jocabs/article/viewFile/80/47
Dr. Gerd Ludemann, Chair of History and Literature of Early Christianity at the University of Göttingen: “much of the New Testament record is fiction…no thinking person could remain a traditional Christian.” wwwuser.gwdg.de/~gluedem/download/what-jesus-didn-t-say.pdf
@Momazos Hail Chile So what? Most Christian scholars debunk the gospel fairy tales. Gary Habermas is a fringe fundamentalist and does not represent the consensus view. Habermas couldn’t tell you the truth even if he wanted to, since he is contractually obligated to support Liberty University's faith statement, which claims, “The universe was created in six historical days" www.liberty.edu/aboutliberty/index.cfm?PID=6907 LOL! This is a fringe position and has been completely debunked by science and defies common sense. How would you measure “six historical days” before the earth even existed? Dr. Habermas would be *FIRED* if he said anything against Liberty University's faith statement, and would lose his lucrative job selling lies to the gullible. So he is clearly not a credible source, and is simply a paid liar for your debunked cult’s nonsense.
@Momazos Hail Chile “Habermas's work does not resemble the work of historians. Rather, he is stating that the events in the gospels are basically self-evidently true, which is just as fallacious as stating the events leading up to Mohammad's ascension are true by citing Islamic scripture. He provides no external verification.” rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gary_Habermas
@Momazos Hail Chile Even if Muslim scholars claimed that the Quran was given to Muhammad by the angel Gabriel, that makes the claim true? If Christian scholars claim the bible is true, that means it MUST be true? "MAGIC BOOK SAYS SO" is a rational argument?
Lol. I love Habermas. So funny. So thorough. If I could only teach people one apologetic argument, this would be it. It absolutely CRUSHES the opposition.
+David s Wow...brilliant comeback...please point out specific moments of idiocy by Habermas..methinks you are scared!
+david sock unj
Idiot. We have scholars, non-Christian scholars agreeing to these "facts" in published works. Smartin up!
Habermas and Licona cite scholars such as Gerd Ludermann, Crossan, Michael Grant etc...about what facts are accepted, so I suggest you delete much of your post to avoid any further embarrassment to yourself.
Jesus' own mother and brothers remained skeptical of his claims throughout his earthly ministry and tried to prevent him from accomplishing his mission. Mark 3:21, John 7:5. If Jesus was doing genuinely supernatural miracles that whole time, how do you explain what you must think was the shocking obstinacy of Jesus' own family toward his claims?
Ive watched this SO many times, yet somehow COMPLETELY MISSED that He introduced Nabeel Qureshi. That is awesome
Lol, you have watched this nonsense more than once? No insult, but can you name a single valid point from this video? Just one?
@@hitman5782 Magic book says so!
It bears repeat watching as there was a lot of information to unpack. I agree with others that people don't fail to believe due to a lack of evidence but due to an unwillingness to change, even to their own detriment; so sad!
@@curtflory7147 Soooo, you can not name a single valid from the entire film?!
Yeah, great you figured it out, congratulations. We atheists are not able to believe in your god for the same reasons why you are not able to believe in all the countless other gods worldwide.
What are you talking about "unwillingness to change"?
Even if true, what would that have to do with anything?
Are we not exactly the way your god created us?
@@hitman5782 Wow, did I hit a nerve? Did that describe you; "those who are unwilling to change"? You come to a video on creation science to attack those who believe? I think you protest a wee too much HitMan. All the evidence he cited is a reason to believe in the one true God of heaven and earth. Deny as you will, it matters not to me. Romans 1 says ALL people know there is a God through the things that have been created. Looks and see or not, that is your choice. I chose God over all else. And this was a really well done presentation.
The TOMB IS EMPTY.
Praise HIM! Thank you for your teachings Dr Gary Habermas.
The tomb never existed. Praise Jell-O!
The tomb wasn't even built until 345 AD. This includes the 'burial bed' of Jesus which also was not constructed until 345 AD, more than 300 years after the death of the 'saviour'. The marble slab was was independently dated at two separate labs using optically stimulated luminescence. The results reveal the slab was mortared in place in the mid-fourth century under the orders of Emperor Constantine.
@@cygnusustushow do you know that there wasn't? From what I know almost all scholars accept that there was so you better have something to give which they have missed
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"From what I know almost all scholars accept that there was"
Then you don't know much.
The most that reputable scholars will say is that it is possible. Most will agree that it is improbable, since only rarely were crucifixion victims afforded burial.
@@cygnusustus why wouldn't someone like Jesus who wasn't a random guy not get a proper burial? Why should we doubt the story of the empty tomb and if we doubt it then what do you think happened to his body after his crucifixion
I thank the Lord Jesus Christ for Gary Habermass! He is totally captivating. God Bless you and yours, Sir!
At least there's no harm in believing absurd supernatural claims with no evidence! "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" - New York Times. Wow, where would they get a crazy idea like that?!! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). It's not like the bible contains proven lies by liars, right? "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *the Bible is full of lies* , even if they refuse to use the term." Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina, - Who Wrote the Bible and Why it Matters.
@@mythbuster1483good job you just destroyed a cherrypicked verse with no context. Congrats buddy proud of ya
@@samiverson2496 Don't cry, cultard, just because you have *NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER* for the absurd claims of your debunked ancient death cult. Tell me why I should believe absurd stories in your DEBUNKED BOOK OF ANCIENT BULLSHIT about a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, woman turned into a pillar of salt, the sun standing still in the sky for a full day, a man living inside of a fish for 3 days, zombie apocalypse, and a virgin-born demigod with superpowers whose magic mucus could heal the blind?!! It couldn't possibly be a bunch of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, New Testament professor: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that the Bible is full of lies, even if they refuse to use the term." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters
@@samiverson2496 Tell me more about the *TALKING DONKEY* in your debunked book of ancient fairy tales! "And the LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times? Then Balaam said to the donkey, Because you have made a mockery of me! If there had been a sword in my hand, I would have killed you by now. The donkey said to Balaam, Am I not your donkey on which you have ridden all your life to this day? Have I ever been accustomed to do so to you? And he said, No" (Numbers 22:28-32). Then they found Shrek and rescued Princess Fiona from the dragon! 😄 😄 😄 Oh, sorry, wrong fiction story. SUCKER: “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
Why are you thankful for being lied to?
"People don't believe what they don't want to believe."
He couldn't have said it any better. He just spent about 50 minutes laying out the evidence that he even said liberal scholars accept. And to prove his statement above, you have numerous people claiming there is no evidence.
Philip Ramos If that was his point, then he basically denied the possibility of knowledge about the world in general and completely undermined the idea that he can be any kind of expert - because he'll just believe, or not believe, whatever for no reason.
As for the claim that "liberal scholars" will accept his evidence - realize two things:
1) He is deliberately excluding everyone who disagrees with him as "scholars"
and
2) The field of biblical studies(as opposed to *history*) is flooded with cultists who presuppose not only that Jesus existed, but that he is God. A consensus by such people is as useless as a consensus among Qur'anic scholars that Islam is true.
As for the bit about no evidence - people who claim this are of course not accepting one of the baseless presuppositions held by most biblical scholars. Namely that the gospels must have a historical core that you can extract merely by comparing the gospels against each other. They also don't accept that accounts postdating the gospels can be uncritically regarded as independent accounts. The main reason for this skepticism(apart from the magical nature of Jesus) is that the earliest Christian writings - the epistles - never mention a historical Jesus, any details of his ministry or execution by Pontius Pilate. Instead, they talk about a "Jesus" that reveals himself to self-styled prophets like Paul(And such prophets also disagree about doctrine as Paul's writings challenges competing prophets) as well as through creative reinterpretation of scripture.
The "historical" details about Jesus appears to pop out of nowhere in Mark, half a century later and this work, as well as the other gospels, has clear evidence of being a manufactured work that creates stories around selective quotes from OT.
Gnomefro I don't think he is denying the possibility of knowledge. He was simply making a statement that a lot of people can be given evidence, good evidence in my opinion, and still believe something to the contrary.
For example, let's say I told you my name and you didn't believe me. Then I showed you my id or birth certificate and you still had doubts about what I was saying. It's kind of like that (obviously the video topic is more significant than my name. It's a silly example, but it gets the point across). I don't think he was making a statement pro-relative truth (which is self contradictory to begin with).
As for you points about scholarship, I would imagine there are those who disagree. I really couldn't say how many scholars, who study the subject, disagree but I would think they are far and few between given there is nothing "supernatural" about the minimal facts he's given. Now, the conclusion he reaches, that's a different story. Of course there are scholars who are going to disagree with that.
Now, I would imagine there are those in the field of biblical studies who believe in Jesus' deity (I think that's a given). However, there are scholars who are atheists, Jewish, or even Muslim that study the material as well.
The dating of the gospels seems rather far off from the date that Jesus was crucified, but in comparison to other works from antiquity, the dates are almost insignificant.
You mentioned Paul never mentions a "historical" Jesus. This seems to be an argument from silence, which is pretty much not accepted by scholars. Plus, Paul mentions Jesus being born of a woman I believe in Galatians, and mentions him being a descendant of King David in Romans.
I have a question though. you said it's baseless to think that the gospels have a historical core. I'm curious as to how you draw that conclusion.
Thanks for writing.
nathan wach We can essentially say the same thing about atheism. Atheism (naturalism in specific) isn't anything new. It's been around since the beginning of time so I can throw around the same statement: atheism has been forced on generations of people, so of course people buy into it. But this doesn't get us any closer to knowing what is true. We take a look at the evidence and see where it points to. And the evidence to me points to Christianity.
vortex222 That's the problem right there. People throw around phrases/words like pet dragon, santa clause, flying spaghetti monster, fairys, etc, as if the concept of a God who created the universe is on the same level. I think it's naïve to do this. Coming into the conversation of whether God exists or not with that level of bias, then of course all the evidence is not going to mean anything to you. Then this idea of "extraordinary evidence" Let's just say God doesn't exist, then the universe coming into existence is a rather extraordinary feat. And yet the "evidence" that claims the universe created itself out of nothing is not extraordinary. The idea that the universe created itself from nothing is a big leap of faith if you ask me, and yet people eat it up. It seems to me like there is inconsistency on the side of some atheists.
vortex222 "The universe coming into existence is not extraordinary because we are here" Do universes coming into existence from nothing happen every day? Maybe it's just me but our universe and everything in it seem rather extraordinary to me. And contrary to your belief, I did read your comment. It would be nice if we could stray away from mild attempts at insults and actually have a good discussion. The questions that you listed about who created God and so on I believe are not even necessary. I think it's pretty clear we believe in a God that wasn't created but has existed from eternity past. Now, this may seem like nonsense but I do believe there are scientists out there that claim the universe existed eternally. Do you find their claim makes no sense? Or do you readily except it because it's scientific? You know instead of talking past each other continuously let me ask this, what is your world view? What do you believe about our existence and where we came from, etc? I think I've made the mistake (too many times!) of just jumping into a response and assuming I know what people believe. So again, what exactly do you believe?
Thank you for sharing a part of your story. Your story seems simular to my husband. My husband is not an athiest but still struggles to fully surrender "his" way of doing things unto the Lord. He has struggled with addiction since the age of 18 and has been clean and sober almost five months. (Yay God) I believe that the Holy Spirit is working and moving in his life and I also believe everyday, that God is revealing his love for my husband. I know that my husband will surrender to the lord in Gods timing. Its between my husband and God. I praise God for your life and all that God is doing for you and through you. Be Blessed.
Thank you faithful spouse! You are The Witness, and support companion of The Lord. Keep it up.
@@fritzdoerring9058 “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities” - Voltaire. Don’t murder any babies today just because some member of a death cult claims that God said so. "This is what the Lord Almighty says...Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). So you’d murder your neighbor’s entire family, including his infant, if some man claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said you should?
Yea praise the being who committed mass genocide and many other crimes if he existed yay god
@@mythbuster1483
"“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities” - Voltaire."
Is Voltaire a credible source for Biblical scholarship?
"Don’t murder any babies today just because some member of a death cult claims that God said so. "This is what the Lord Almighty says...Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1 Samuel 15:2-3)."
God is not stating that for us to do today, if you were to look at *the passage which you cut out,* this is saying to destroy all that belongs to Amalek. And whats this death cult you are referring to?
"So you’d murder your neighbor’s entire family, including his infant, if some man claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said you should?"
I'm not sure anyone would, unless there was some credible source that indicated that the man was correct and that it was not some random spirit (demon).
@@mythbuster1483 That’s good you’re reading the Bible , Buster .
Don’t stop there though .
Keep going for the context and the point of the whole thing !
Habermas, along with Witherington are two of the very best minds in New Testament studies, and the resurrection.
yes there is- watch the video or shut your piehole-- even atheist historian think the basics about Jesus was true-- and that the resurrection was possible and we have eyewitness testimony --- same as any history--- so there is PLENTY of evidence to support this--it doesnt prove without a shadow of a doubt- but very few things are ever proven beyonf=d a shadow of a doubt--
Dude I am to the point where I will not even argue anymore, some people just want to be divisive. The thing about the resurrection is, what did they actually see. I believe them big time, but for the skeptic, honestly to say flat out no, is being short sighted and A little disingenuous, something miraculous happened. And trying to explain it away is the bigger burden. But I have stopped trying to argue this.
***** Ok so why take the time out of your busy day to inform me of that. I mean you dont see me running around trying to disprove the easter bunny.
You are a moron- do you know who Bart Erhman is? He is the atheist New Testament scholar - in the world- he knows these are facts and states it in every book and paper he has ever written on the subject- instead of you going around spouting off BS lies - try and go to college and learn some fucking history you broke numbnuts--- you get all emotional because God didn't answe your little prayers and you became an atheist- when you can engage in fact based dialogue- come back and talk to me- otherwise- back to the brake pad factor for you, TommyBoy
Eric- no need to engage this slap nuts- he is a moron and hasn't even heard most of the people we speak of-- he is someone who watches Tv and believs anything--
I was born again on 8/29/1971. Called to the Ministry that fall. Best discourse on the Resurrection that I’ve ever heard.
I am blessed by all the comments. God bless you!
You have very low standards.
Jesus cured me of my suicidal thoughts and lustful actions. I prayed to Jesus, if he was real, to save me. He did. I was filled with the spirit and cried like i never had before. The beauty of Christ is like no other. He will not reveal himself to you unless you swallow you're pride, himble yourself and ask him!
The one about Paul consulting the original Apostles and they added nothing to him was a fantastic point. There are some unbelievers that will argue that Christianity was exclusively based on Paul's teachings and not the original apostles. Thank you for all that you guys do. God Bless your ministry.
You're assuming these stories represent what people actually said and did, and are not simply fiction. If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult who thought the world was flat and illness was caused by demons, then it MUST be a reliable source of real history?!!
@@mythbuster1483 Let me see you post a youtube video proving your knowledge of the subject, then maybe I'll take your words over Mr. Habermas here and all the other scholars, either way, nice try Satan
@@michaeldais8079 LOL! “Fools will believe anything” (Prov. 14:15, New Century Version). Dr. Brent Landau, professor of Religion at the University of Texas: “Gary Habermas and William Lane Craig, both teach at institutions (Liberty University and Biola University, respectively) that require their faculty to sign statements affirming that they believe the Bible is inspired by God and is free of any contradictions, historical inaccuracies or moral failings. For example, the Liberty University faculty application requires assent to the following statement: “We affirm that the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, though written by men, was supernaturally inspired by God so that all its words are written true revelation of God; it is therefore inerrant in the originals and authoritative in all matters.” The overwhelming majority of professional biblical scholars teaching in the United States and elsewhere are not required to sign such statements of faith. Many of the other scholars he interviews in his book have similar affiliations. Strobel has thus drawn from a quite narrow range of scholars that are not representative of the field as a whole.” - 'The Case for Christ': What's the evidence for the resurrection?
@@michaeldais8079 Dr. Richard Carrier on Gary Habermas: "The real Habermas is of course a notorious liar. His methods are a con game. He’s the kind of source real journalistic standards were invented to defend us against...Habermas also tells Strobel there are 'nine ancient sources' confirming encounters with Jesus after his death. That’s pretty much a lie. Because Habermas is a liar. " - The Case for Christ: The Movie!
@@michaeldais8079 Anytime you want to prove your book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers---go ahead! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Go ahead! You believe what some anonymous ancient scribes claim that Jesus said, right? What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" - 2 Drink Strychnine At Service and Die In Display of Faith, New York Times. It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that THE BIBLE IS FULL OF LIES, even if they refuse to use the term." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters
Early writers fabricated the resurrection hoax by making up fake testimonials that the disciples & others have witnessed an empty tomb & a risen Jesus.
So they made up a false claim for which they knew they would be killed and started preaching it which eventually killed them, is that what you're saying?
@@dimitris_zaha
Don't get confused please. I said, the early writers, not the disciples, fabricated the resurrection hoax by making up fake testimonials that the disciples & others have witnessed an empty tomb & a risen Jesus.
@@dimitris_zaha
The disciples died blindly just like followers of Jim Jones, Marshall Applewhite & David Koresh.
@@dimitris_zaha
Besides, followers of Jim Jones, Marshall Applewhite & David Koresh gave up everything including their lives. Does that mean what they believed must be true???
@@AtamMardes Paul who everyone agrees that wrote some part of the new testament did believe all the things you mentioned and some things in his letters are dated to even 2 years after Jesus's resurrection which is very very early. Plus we have other sources confirming that the disciples actually preached these things and died for it it's not just the Bible. Plus I didn't see any evidence behind your claim so although I could just say that you made it up I decided to respond anyway
Dr. Gary Habermas is acknowledged by many of the world’s leading Christian apologists to be the current world authority on the Resurrection.
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That’s a pretty low bar… but I would say that Michael Licona surpassed him.
A lot of people believe that studying history, archaeology and the like in order to show the validity of Jesus' life, death and resurrection, and other aspects in the Bible, show a lack of faith in God, which is absurd. Faith is the evidence of things not seen, which suggests at least in part that studying the Bible is one of many things we are supposed to do. It has strengthened my faith, even though I cannot "see" God. Many atheists believe something similar, that faith is a blind leap. Ultimately, however, the final step of faith involves experience and emotional commitment, just as it would be getting engaged. We have a solid foundation to believe, and it is wonderful and delights my heart and my mind. Many blessings to Gary Habermas for continuing to perpetuate such strong evidence in such a relatable and fun manner. Also bless Abdu Murray, as well as Nabeel Qureshi's family, who is keeping his ministry going.
Amen! This is the Truth of simplistic belief, it is righteousness acceptable
by God as the power of redemption, like that of walking on water, and
moving mountains.
100% true. Look into flat earth if you want your faith deepened even more.
Thank you for showing still Jesus is with you ❤
I want to give this to my daughter to listen to who questions historicity of the resurrection. I’m a little bugged that I have to go ahead and tell her to read first Corinthians 15 because Dr. Habermas never gets around to actually quoting what Paul received. That is a huge miss in this very wonderful talk.
Great topic. I like his personality.
It's not like Habermas is a member of a baby-killing human sacrifice cult, right? "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). If some cult member claims to hear voices from invisible spirit beings telling him to murder children, does that make him MORE credible…or LESS credible? What’s the most likely explanation for such a claim? 1) A liar lied, 2) the guy is suffering from mental illness, or 3) an all-powerful “God of love and peace” (2 Cor. 13:11) needs human help to murder babies for him? SUCKER - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
The key point made in the lecture is that the proof uses only sources accepted as valid by non-Christian scholars. The commenters here that essentially call Paul a liar seem to have missed that essential point. Paul's writings (the 6 books mentioned) are accepted by experts, including atheists as valid historical records. Is there some new evidence that contradicts or casts doubt on the validity of Paul's writings?
schizoidman No there are no writings that contradict what Saul Did and who and what he became!
@schizoidman I asked you to provide me a list of atheists who accept Paul's writings as 'valid historical records,' that is, they believe the content therein. That they proceed from the first century is not in doubt, but the claims made by these writings are accepted by NO atheist. Please provide the requested information.
@@madamvaudelune3298 Do your own hard work.
The epistles of Paul are not historic in essence. They are instructional, not historical. There is no nown historical evidence establishing the existence of Jesus.
@@theoskeptomai2535 your entire comment here is false to the extreme of ridiculous. Now you're going to try to make the claim that there's no evidence for the life of Jesus either? You just disqualified yourself for having any credibility whatsoever. This is, and I don't use this expression lightly, common knowledge.
Paul Osbourne : This is what got me there. I studied darwinian evolution and the big bang. After 4 months I believed in Christianity. Science does not discredit creation. It actually enforces creation.
Kent Hovind is a Godsend because my faith benefitted tremendously from the scientific approach to Christian apologetics he employs.
@@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n
Pseudo-Science
@@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n You mean convicted felon Kent Hovind? "Kent ended up serving a long stretch in prison (over eight years). Perhaps more damaging to Kent's first marriage was the one year that his wife Jo had to serve. Nearing the end of his prison term, he was charged with new crimes due to actions that he had taken to affect the title to property that the government had seized as a result of the first conviction...His homecoming was not quite what he had had in mind, as he ended up in a bitter dispute with his family about control of property and also in one of his TMI bursts he let everybody know that he and Jo were not sharing a room. They divorced and Kent moved to Lenox Alabama where he is building a new Dinosaur Adventure Land." www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2018/09/05/how-tax-resistance-can-hurt-your-marriages-the-kent-hovind-saga/#dfd393eb927e
@@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n "Hovind served about nine years of a 10-year prison sentence after being convicted of failing to withhold employee income taxes and “structuring” bank withdrawals to avoid reporting requirements." www.pnj.com/story/news/local/2015/07/10/hovind-free-jail-back-pensacola/29969745/
@@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n You can look him up on the Federal Bureau of Prisons site www.bop.gov/inmateloc/ His inmate # is 06452-017. You can look up his wife also! Hers is 06453-017.
Great presentation... excellent scholarship. He crushes this topic.
david s Yep, he's no better than the douchebag William Lane Craig....same ridiculous arguments that idiots like Josh McDowell and Lee Strobel use.
david s Richard Carrier, John Loftus, Hector Avalos, Robert Price, Earl Doherty, Dan Barker, Christopher Hitchens....these are just a few that come to mind.
Oh and "Doubting Jesus' Resurrection" by Kris Komaritsky is a really great book that debunks the case for a bodily resurrection of Jesus.
So other than name dropping and name calling do you actually have a refutation of what he said?
HuckFinn sooooo you dont have a refutation.
Living and accustomed to Islamic way of life at the age of about 26 years accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. My understanding Islam dies without lies.
Amen! Brother Jesus Christ is the way , the truth and the life!! Take care and God bless!!
Why don't you agree with Islam? @@bootsie280
@@DocReasonablebecause of the historical mistakes, the scientific mistakes and most importantly the immorality of the supposedly "perfect" moral prophet and their god
Thank very informative.. May God bless u..and may more will bless and increase in faith.. in strongest and reliable data on resurrection..
Dawkins: "there is no God."
Also Dawkins: "it's possible that higher advanced beings are responsible for life on earth."
Dawkins: "Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence." Don't murder any unbelievers today just because they won't convert to your debunked ancient cult. "And whoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman" (2 Chron. 15:13). If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult who thought the world was flat and illness was caused by demons, then it MUST be a reliable source of real history?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
At least Dawkins doesn't tell his followers to murder the families of those who disagree with him, like your death cult does: "And whoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman" (2 Chron. 15:13). If some guy who hears voices claims that God said to murder people, then it MUST be true, right?
Also, atheists that are academics, "Richard Dawkins makes me embarrassed to be an atheist. " lol
love listening to this man. bravo!
@Nosoup899 If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased cult members, then it MUST be a reliable source, right?
Why do you love being lied to?
Come? Repent to Holy Bible Rev.22:20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon." Amen. Come, LORD JESUS. THE GRACE OF THE LORD JESUS be with God's people.Amen." Prays Jesus Christ?
In Rev. 22:7, Jesus supposedly says, "Look, I am coming soon!" 2000 years later and...nothing, which is just what we'd expect from a fiction book!
Brilliant! None of the critical comments here provided any counter arguments. Just insults. Well done.
Gary is always great!
Awwww Nabeel Qureshi is there 😭😭😭😭😭😭🤧🤧🤧 I miss that man!!.. such a wonderful life God gave him!!!
I'll miss him too. Anyway, I think it's beautiful that these people know each other and speak together... Gary, Ravi, Nabeel, Lennox, WLC, etc. Have a nice week there, my friend!
Igor Oliveira yes!!! I follow all of them and i’ve been learning a lot .. you too my friend 🙏
@@GarciaonlyJesus It's okay to admit that you've been conned by liars. "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that the Bible is full of lies , even if they refuse to use the term." www.huffpost.com/entry/the-bible-telling-lies-to_b_840301
@@mythbuster1483 if the Word of God( Bible) is a lie for you, why do you care? Why you tried so hard to open people’s eyes using the Bible in such an ignorant way, you want to attack Christians? then you need to first, learn how to interpret the Bible The Word of God, but let me tell you something you are not attacking me no no no you are attacking God the creator of EVERYTHING so will see how far you get!!! 😁
@@GarciaonlyJesus I care about delusional cult members who are brainwashed to commit acts of violence against others, and who make the world worse. "This is what the Lord Almighty says...Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). So you’d murder your neighbor’s entire family, including his infant, if some man claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said you should?
Mary is a very powerful eyewitness...she saw Him die and she saw Him resurrected... and no mom is going to lie about it.
Absolutely but for the skeptics she’s not good enough because as a mother one can’t be biased…
Maybe a mom is not going to lie about their son. But someone can make up a story about a mom and a son. Which is one of the questions that Philosophers asked in the Age of Enlightenment. Why would a God that knew humans are sinners and as sinners, humans are also liars, corrupt, dishonest, embellishers, makers up of stories, etc., why would that God let humans carry that Gods most important message? Humans are not to be trusted with that. That is why the Age of Enlightenment Philosophers wanted to look at Nature to see what a God is like. Humans make up stories, but Nature, if created from God, then that is the most reliable thing.
@@ronaldlindeman6136yet these people we can't trust have managed to somehow preserve a 2000 year old book as it was written and now with the internet will possibly never be lost
Help my thesis advisor told me to read Habermas to understand the public sphere so I watched this now I'm even more confused
So frustrating trying to keep track of a speaker running in 5 different directions without finishing a sentence.
Superb lecture, Now I really want to know more about the other accounts for the other apostles and witnesses researched. Almost this entire lecture was just based off what one account that the skeptics allow witch was Paul.
Why is Paul the only account of the 500 people that saw? Why?
@@Truth-Be-Told-USA Because Paul made it up and 501 people saw him do it.
Read the Gospels. Paul wasn't at the crucifixion. He never claimed to be.
@@allanyoung6231 The sad truth for Christians is that they have NOTHING written by ‘Paul’ from the 1st century. The earliest texts of any Pauline Epistles date to the 3rd century, were written by unknown, biased fanatics, and contain evidence of forgery and fiction. Dr. William O. Walker: “I have called attention to the fact that we possess the Pauline letters only as parts of a collection that was assembled, edited, preserved and transmitted by the early Church under the name of Paul. Both points, in my judgment, strongly suggest that the Pauline letters, as we now have them, are likely to contain non-Pauline interpolations [forgeries]. This probability is significantly strengthened, however, by yet a third consideration: the surviving manuscripts of these letters provide abundant evidence of actual textual alterations including numerous short additions to the text. As is well known, the extant manuscripts contain countless variant readings (indeed, except in the case of brief fragments, no two of the texts are identical in every detail!)…In any case, it is clear that the surviving manuscripts of the Pauline letters contain numerous short additions to the text.” - Interpolations in the Pauline Letters.
@@mythbuster1483 It's you spinning myths Abdul. You are included cuckoo land with the nonsense in that post.
Nine years since this... and actually nothing has changed in scholarship: still no decent data to demonstrate a resurrection occurred.
"no decent data to demonstrate a resurrection occurred." - It's like Dawkins and Atkins who tell they wouldn't believe even if Lord Jesus appeared to them personally.
Matthew 13:15
For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’
@@jounisuninen That's whataboutery. Utterly irrelevant to the point at hand.
The fact that 12 men from the backwaters of Judea spread the message of Jesus all across the known world by their deaths, all being executed for the message they carried except one, is as much a miracle and a testament that they found something spectacular as the very resurrection of Jesus is.
It's not a "fact", it's simply a STORY, just like Muslim claims that the angel Gabriel appeared to Muhammad in a cave and gave him the Quran. That makes it a fact---because it says so on some anonymous manuscript dated hundreds of years after the supposed events? Dr. Kurt L. Noll, Chair of the Religion Department at Brandon University: “The Gospel narratives of the New Testament are FICTIONS…New Testament authors routinely invented FICTIONS about Jesus inspired by passages from Jewish literature.” - Is This Not The Carpenter?: The Question of the Historicity of the Figure of Jesus (2012).
Dr. Gerd Ludemann, Chair of History and Literature of Early Christianity at the University of Göttingen: "the results of historical scholarship can be made known to the public - especially to believers - only with difficulty. Many Christians feel threatened if they hear that MOST of what was written in the Bible is (in historical terms) UNTRUE and that none of the four New Testament Gospels was written by the author listed at the top of the text." - Kêrygma and History in the Thought of Rudolf Bultmann
Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *THE BIBLE IS FULL OF LIES* , even if they refuse to use the term. And here is the truth: Many of the books of the New Testament were written by people who lied about their identity, claiming to be a famous apostle - Peter, Paul or James - knowing full well they were someone else. In modern parlance, that is a lie, and a book written by someone who lies about his identity is a forgery." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters
@@mythbuster1483 That isn’t the view of the vast majority of New Testament scholars.
@@mythbuster1483 The Qur’an is a one man testimony. No other witnesses. No one else in the whole world ever saw this Jibreel that he reported seeing over and over, in fact most of his “revelations” came to him when he was asleep they were not dictated to him by some entity they came from his brain that he mistook for Allah.
Bless you for presenting this evidence. This gives me hope.
@# christianity is about being spiritual so you can have a connection with God to get to that point you need to have an open heart.
# if you tell me where in the bible it says to hate other races, and hate gays i will turn what ever religion you want
# and also its punishable by death in the New Testament for abortion so
# if you look at numbers 30 it explains why there doing what there doing and it has nothing to do with abortion
# and you clearly didnt read 13:16
My faith is in the Truth of the Bible! To God be all the Glory!❤🙏🏻
Faith in false claims by proven liars is no credit to the believer. "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Go ahead! You believe what some anonymous ancient scribes claim that Jesus said, right? What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" - 2 Drink Strychnine At Service and Die In Display of Faith, New York Times. It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that THE BIBLE IS FULL OF LIES, even if they refuse to use the term." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters
I’m not sure what lies your speaking of, but I haven’t found one. And my God has made sure we get His word so we can make a decision based on Truth. I’ve discovered on my own some deceptions organized religions have portrayed but I don’t go by man’s word, I go by God’s word. And if you’re seeking Him, you always find Him. I trust my Lord with my life and I will know what I’m supposed to know.
@@stevemccaskell3888 Your posts prove the bible is false and Jesus is imaginary: "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), “Whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you" (John 16:23), "whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours" (Mark 11:24). If any of that were true, you could simply pray for Jesus to appear to you RIGHT NOW, and post the resulting miracle video to RUclips! But you know Jesus will NEVER appear because the authors of the gospel tales were proven liars. Praying to Jesus is no different than praying to Zeus, Odin, a Flying Spaghetti Monster, or to any other fictional character in a book. All Christians can do is make pathetic excuses for why this NEVER works, despite the bible’s promises. *FACTS*
1) If Jesus was real, and a god, he COULD appear to you, or to anyone.
2) He supposedly appeared to others in ancient stories that we have no evidence for (Acts 1:3).
3) Jesus supposedly promised that believers would “receive whatever you ask for in prayer” (Matt 21:22).
4) Regardless how much you pray or ask...Jesus won't appear.
The most likely explanation for the above? Jesus won’t appear because he CAN’T. Fictional literary characters can't hear prayers or do anything in real life.
And good brother if you know of deceit in the Bible you should show your truth. And as many scholars you know of supporting your claims, I know as many that would support mine. The one deceit that I know of by scripture is we live on a flat plane under the firmament which all the stars moon and sun are in. God never mentions a planet. The old called them wandering stars.
@@stevemccaskell3888 First, there is no reason to believe absurd claims with no evidence whatsoever, and you have none. But I've even shown how the bible makes provably false claims. You don't have the magical poison-resistance promised by the bible, and you don't have the magic prayer superpowers promised by the bible. The whole point is that believing ridiculous supernatural claims on faith, despite evidence to the contrary, is delusional and harms people. The problem with credulous fanatics who believe absurd, supernatural claims on ‘faith’, is that they can be easily manipulated by con men who claim that God said to murder gays (Lev. 20:13), witches (Exodus 22:18), their own wife and children if they choose another faith (Deut. 13:6-16), women who aren't virgins on their wedding night (Deut 22:13-21) the children & infants of their enemies (1 Sam. 15:2-3), etc. This is dangerous and harmful to society. Otherwise, I could care less what harmless nonsense people want to believe.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities” - Voltaire.
I was watching a debate between atheist Richard Dawkins and Christian philosopher John Lennox, and Dawkins admitted during their debate that Jesus existed. At first, Dawkins didn't want to admit it, but he did.
“One of the striking and to many people, surprising facts about the first century is that we don't have any Roman records, of any kind, that attest to the existence of Jesus. We have no birth certificate, no references to his works or deeds, no accounts of his trial, no description of his death - no reference to him whatsoever in any way, shape, or form. Jesus's name is not even mentioned in any Roman source of the first century.”
"Forged" by Bart Ehrman
Hey, Atheists! If you REALLY don't believe in God, why are you SO obsessed with Him? I don't believe in unicorns but I don't waste my whole life hunting them down and hating on them.
***** To prove to everyone who reads these threads exactly how fanatically religious, illogical and irrational so many cyber-stalking hate-theists are. It's working.
+David s 1 Peter 3:15-16: ". . . always be ready to give an answer to anyone who asks about the hope you possess. Yet do it with courtesy and respect, keeping a good conscience, so that those who slander your good conduct in Christ may be put to shame when they accuse you."
Proverbs 15:32
Those who disregard discipline despise themselves, but the one who heeds correction gains understanding.
Ecclesiastes 7:5
It is better to heed the rebuke of a wise person than to listen to the song of fools.
Proverbs 28:23
He that rebuketh a man afterwards shall find more favour than he that flattereth with the tongue.
+EnemyofEVILution This is a point I have raised time and time again.
For example: I don't believe in Islam. Not wanting to get into a debate why, i'm just stating that I don't.
Yet I don't spend my life trying to tell Muslims they are wrong. If I meet one and wishes to engage in debate, I will. But I don't need to fill my life with anti-Islam thoughts in order to justify my position.
Now when you go on to an atheists Twitter or Facebook page ... they talk about God more than me.
On Dawkins Twitter page, the first thing you see is the word "religion".
There's something quite ironic and even pitiful about all of this.
+EnemyofEVILution Why are there so few attacks on scientology, buddhism or even satanism? Maybe the 1st 2 are unicorns but the last is most common world religion.
He's a great speaker. He knows his facts.
A common technique of liars is calling unsupported claims 'facts' and then engaging in the circular reasoning fallacy. This is nothing more than "magic book says so", which is the same technique that Muslims, Mormons and Hindus use.
By calling unsupported CLAIMS in a STORY ‘facts’ we can ‘prove’ anything, such as that that Spider-Man was real and a superhero! FACT #1: Peter Parker was a college student in New York City when he was bitten by a radioactive spider, which gave him superpowers. How else can you explain his ability to climb walls and swing from webs if he wasn’t, in fact, bitten by a radioactive spider? FACT #2: Peter’s uncle Ben was murdered by a criminal. This explains why Spider-Man was a crime-fighter. FACT #3: Peter Parker was friends with Harry Osborn, whose father owned Oscorp and was the Green Goblin. How could Peter have been friends with Harry unless Peter Parker was a real historical figure? FACT #4: Spider-Man defeated the Green Goblin in front of eyewitnesses. How could Peter Parker have defeated a super-villain unless he was, in fact, Spider-Man and had superpowers?!! In your face, nonbelievers!
@vikinganpgNOPE , I WIN 💀😂😂😂😂😂 you Got OWNED! Dr. Justin J. Meggitt, Professor of Divinity, University of Cambridge: "The GOSPELS CANNOT BE TRUSTED as sources for historical data. They are full of contradictions, discrepancies, supernatural claims and obvious bias...Mark is a work of fiction not history. Mark was also written far too late to give any authentic historical facts." ‘More Ingenious Than Learned’? Examining the Quest for the Non-Historical Jesus
@vikinganpg NOPE , I WIN 💀😂😂😂😂😂 you Got OWNED! The consensus view of scholars is that the New Testament is a bunch of lies by proven liars, although they rarely use these terms. Dr. David Brakke, Professor in the History of Christianity at Ohio State University, wrote an article in the Journal of Religion entitled, “Early Christian Lies and the Lying Liars Who Wrote Them”, which shows how the anonymous early Christian scribes who wrote the New Testament were blatant liars, forgers and frauds. - Early Christian Lies and the Lying Liars Who Wrote Them, The Journal of Religion, Volume 96, Number 3
@vikinganpg NOPE , I WIN 💀😂😂😂😂😂 you Got OWNED! Dr. Burton Mack, professor emeritus in early Christianity at the Claremont School of Theology: "The Gospels are fictional mythologies" - Who Wrote the New Testament?
The only possible eyewitnesses might have been people in Acts. None of the gospels were written by eyewitnesses. Acts is earlier than any of the gospels. He says Christianity is the only one with a resurrection. Wrong there are many resurrection stories in ancient history. I’d like to see him debate Richard Carrier. John was written later than he states, about 90-100 CE.
After watching this video I became an atheist.
Good for you! Your soul doesn’t need saving.
@@bootsie280 Okay cultard. Don't murder any unbelievers today just because they won't convert to your debunked ancient cult. "And whoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman" (2 Chron. 15:13). If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult who thought the world was flat and illness was caused by demons, then it MUST be a reliable source of real history?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
@@mythbuster1483 - lol- why you’re so mad? You must have satan stock in your rear end!!! Lol, lol, the sucker is you because you feel the need to butt-in in other peoples comments to unleashed the pain you have in your arse, feel sorry for you… one day you will find out the truth I hope isn’t too late.
@@bootsie280 LOL - why you’re so mad? You must have satan stock in your rear end!!! Lol, lol, the sucker is you because you feel the need to butt-in in other peoples comments to unleashed the pain you have in your arse, feel sorry for you… "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Go ahead! LOL!
It’s hilarious how many atheists are in the comment section. If you’re so so convinced it’s all fake and made up, why spend anytime watching it or commenting? That’s because Christ is pulling you in my friends. Turn to him
Amen!!! Those who resist and/or rejects the Holy Spirit will become reprobates…very sad..
I was once a zealous christian... thanks god i'm an atheist now and my life is getting better everyday. My Sundays belong now to my family and my confidence boosted the moment I left church. Happily married, have a son and I feel happy because the burden of religion was taken away from me. couldnt care less now what "god" likes or dislikes...
I will pray for you.
@@Number4lead Your stupid posts prove that prayer doesn't work, and that Jesus is imaginary: "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), “Whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you" (John 16:23), "whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours" (Mark 11:24). You KNOW these claims are false. If any of that were true, you could simply pray for Jesus to appear to you RIGHT NOW, and post the resulting miracle video to RUclips, instead of making a bunch of pathetic comments with no evidence whatsoever! But you know Jesus will NEVER appear because the authors of the gospel tales were proven liars. Praying to Jesus is no different than praying to Zeus, Odin, a Flying Spaghetti Monster, or to any other fictional character in a book. All Christians can do is make pathetic excuses for why this NEVER works, despite the bible’s promises. *FACTS*
1) If Jesus was real, and a god, he COULD appear to you, or to anyone.
2) He supposedly appeared to others in ancient stories that we have no evidence for (Acts 1:3).
3) Jesus supposedly promised that believers would “receive whatever you ask for in prayer” (Matt 21:22).
4) Regardless how much you pray or ask...Jesus won't appear.
The most likely explanation for the above? Jesus won’t appear because he CAN’T. Fictional literary characters can't hear prayers or do anything in real life.
Churchianity is often the antithesis to Christianity.
@@DD-ld1xqin Germany we have a saying: "I have no issue with God, but I just don't like his ground crew."
“Religions are divisive and quarrelsome. They are a form of one-upmanship because they depend upon separating the “saved” from the “damned,” the true believers from the heretics, the in-group from the out-group… All belief is fervent hope, and thus a cover-up for doubt and uncertainty.”
~ Alan Watts
@BeetleFartMedia yeah, me too. Im not an atheist.
@BeetleFartMedia eh?
Only that this is not how Christianity is supposed to work. Jesus told us to see him in everybody. To feel love for all people. To believe that everyone is in the in-group. Not what actually happened but that's human nature unfortunately.
@MrSeedi76 no, some go to hell. And, Christianity Jesus said:
"For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Matthew 10:35-37
And, he believed in stoning unriluly children:
Jesus:
Mark 7:10:
in Other Translations10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die. ' 10 For instance, Moses gave you this law from God: 'Honor your father and mother,' and 'Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death. '
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“The first thing to realize...is that most people go through life with a whole world of beliefs that have no sort of rational justification, and that one man’s world of beliefs is apt to be incompatible with another man’s, so that they cannot both be right. People’s opinions are mainly designed to make them feel comfortable; truth, for most people is a secondary consideration.”
― Bertrand Russell
Most of Habermas's conclusions and arguments are based on the assumption of the absolute reliability of the stories of the gospels and nothing more. He's so good at bullshitting and twisting to fit his narrative. Cha-Ching!!! Right Gary? LOL Gary is a deer in the headlights and angry when called out in debates by actual biblical experts. Here in this video, he's free to drivel on and on without question.
Great presentation really like habermas.
Penguins9526, He’s doing the definitive book, I think it’s supposed to be between one and 2000 pages
@@michaelbrickley2443 It's not like Habernas is a fanatic who believes a book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers, right? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *the Bible is full of lies* , even if they refuse to use the term." www.huffpost.com/entry/the-bible-telling-lies-to_b_840301
Wonderful video as usual from Garry habermas..
It's not like Habermas is a member of a baby-killing human sacrifice cult, right? "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). If some cult member claims to hear voices from invisible spirit beings telling him to murder children, does that make him MORE credible…or LESS credible? What’s the most likely explanation for such a claim? 1) A liar lied, 2) the guy is suffering from mental illness, or 3) an all-powerful “God of love and peace” (2 Cor. 13:11) needs human help to murder babies for him? SUCKER - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
Only amongst current believers.Those of us who ask for demonstrable verification are not convinced at all..
He honestly seems like such a nice guy
and very very rich
Habermas would never murder a baby just because some cult member claimed that God said so, right? "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). If some cult member claims to hear voices from invisible spirit beings telling him to murder children, does that make him MORE credible…or LESS credible? What’s the most likely explanation for such a claim? 1) A liar lied, 2) the guy is suffering from mental illness, or 3) an all-powerful “God of love and peace” (2 Cor. 13:11) needs human help to murder babies for him? *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
@@mythbuster1483 Was watching a show last week on the BBC about scammers.....they are now targeting christian dating websites because they figure they are the most gullible believing they already believe in nonsense....one woman was duped with them using romance and a few bible verses....they got her to hand over £95,000
@@paulrichards6894 why is that important?
@@HS-zk5nn you mean gary habermas being a multi millionaire.....matthew 19.24....or is this another story not be taken literally??
This guys is freaking serious.
As a Catholic Christian, I want to see him talk with, not debate, Scott Hahn for 3 hours. I will sponsor it. They can both come to my house and I'll livestream it. We can share perogies and beer.
I want to see a video of him in an old-timers' hockey game fight. He is probably a maniac on the ice.
Mmmm...perogies.
God doesn't want you elevating Mary. It's just not part of the picture. Jesus came in the flesh, which was very humbling. But to come as a piece of bread billions of times after? The bible has many warnings. John 6 just can't mean that Jesus is literally a piece of bread in Catholic understanding because then you'd be saved if you ate it, which it doesn't even let you have. You're not saved by works, i.e. going to a confessional booth, but by faith. Read the bible. Don't trust others to tell you what it says. Mary says "my savior" - she's not sinless. Purgatory lessens the work of Jesus. The effects of sin is death, that's what it says. Jesus paid for your sins, you don't have more to pay. Jesus saves you through your belief and trust in him. Period.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr protestant heretic. Mere faith is not enough to save yourself. You have to live Christ and bear the cross, not just believe Christ. Your words and thoughts alone are nothing if they're not backed by actions. Faith is crucial, and it is proven through actions. Neither can go without the other. Protestantism is weak and devided into so many denominations, every protestant country except USA left its Christian tradition long ago. You lost the historic battle, if not for usa protestantism would be dead.
@@josephcro2138 As James says, if you just think you believe but it doesn't come out in your words and actions, it wasn't real to begin with, it was a dead faith. So yes I agree that a real saving faith will come out in your words and actions. But there's not an outward action that you can do to be saved. There's no factory line to heaven.
Most denominations have the same core belief of being saved by Jesus. Those are the real Christians, the ones that read the bible and seek God with their whole heart, following the first and second greatest commandments. Call them protestant if you want, I call them Christian.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr if there are outward actions that can condemn you to eternal darkness, there are outward ones that can save you. Love is an inward emotion expressed outwardly, without it, there is no eternal life. Meaningful self sacrifice is outward action that can save you. A lot of Christians treat Christianity as some cookie cutter process where if you neatly follow the rules you will be saved, but end up never knowing the truth. I'm not claiming that I know the truth, I'm a sinful man myself, but my life is a testimony that I search for it.
I wish could bring you to confess to a priest that converted me. I was an agnostic for many years, but when he put his hand onto my forhead, I collapsed. There are no words that could describe the sensation I felt. First electricity, tremors, convulsions, then warmth, lightness of breath, easiness of existance. I can't properly describe it, but I wish you could feel it, and realize catholic confession is not a lie
Buzzards ate'im........so Jeebus was resurrected as mostly nitrogen bird poop fertilizer. Yay? Oh, the larvae of flesh flies and carrion beetles also ate helped.
Keep searching, God bless
@@Glorious716 Why is it so easy to get credulous members of your cult to murder children and infants just by claiming that god said so? "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). Hopefully members of a death cult don’t murder your entire family just because some member of their cult claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said they should. If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult who thought the world was flat and illness was caused by demons, then it MUST be a reliable source of real history, right?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
The Washington Codex in the Smithsonian is a full copy of the four gospels. On leather. Found in the ruins of a first century church in Egypt. Some scholars think it was 4th Century, but others think that the four dates at the bottom of each are truthful: Matthew 67 AD, Mark 69 AD, Luke 71 AD, and John 96 AD. There is evidence that the first 5 chapters of John were written by John himself! There are photo copies of these in many libraries.
this is how it's done. bold and smart.
Bold and smart? Believing absurd claims because some cult member said so? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" - 2 Drink Strychnine At Service and Die In Display of Faith, New York Times. It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that THE BIBLE IS FULL OF LIES, even if they refuse to use the term." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters
"Your beliefs are a threat to them."
Been thinking something similar for a while now, couldn't have phrased it better though.
No one's beliefs are a threat until they are forced on others...or cause harm to others.
@@zamiel3 Define "forced on others" or "cause harm to others"... Speaking out in public about such beliefs, is that an example?
As I see it, many people in the US now consider this (free speech) to be an attack against them personally and as such, a Christian speaking out about the truth that we are all responsible for a sins and will face judgement one day... this is, certainly, a threat to many because it forces them to reconsider the consequences of their "happiness quest."
@@michaelwill7811 What are you saying??? I wasn't actually talking about street preachers...but since you brought it up. For clarification....do you think it's ok, for someone to stand on a street corner, screaming into a megaphone that homosexuals are an abomination and should be put to death?
@@zamiel3 "I wasn't actually talking about street preachers"
Neither was I, so, it is interesting that you took the chat in that direction. I think though that, deep down, that's what you meant. People stand on corners and shout all sorts of things I don't care to hear. However, I don't plan on violating the US Constitution because I don't want to hear what they are saying... I can simply go elsewhere.
Blaming Christians for something that some crazy person said, is almost as bad as what the crazy person said. Sure, us Christians think homosexuality is a sin but we know that punishment for sin is God's responsibility, not ours. We are *commanded by God* to love ALL people the way that He loves us. You are, I think, confused about the difference between a Christian and someone using the religion to further their own agenda. Please try to remember that just because someone says they are a Christian, it isn't necessarily true... I could say I am a billionaire, doesn't make it true.
@@michaelwill7811 I literally said I wasn't talking about street preachers. If you choose "deep down" to believe something else, that's because your heart is filled with doubt. That's something you need to work on, instead of allowing doubt to distort truth. You were the one who brought up "speaking in public about beliefs", "free speech", and "Christians speaking out about truth". Maybe "deep down", you just wanted to project that on to me. To relieve some guilt you felt for bringing it up in the first place.
For you to say, that the person spewing Bible passages about abominations against God..isn't a Christian is absurd. They believe they are a Christian, just as much as other Christians believe themselves to be. I'm sure there are some that would say you aren't a "real" Christian as well. Simply for misquoting the words of Jesus. You aren't *commanded by GOD* to love ALL people as HE loves us".
An example of religion being forced on someone or being harmful. One would be the court ruling that allows Hobby Lobby and Conestoga to exclude a full range of contraceptives from the insurance plan...because of their "sincerely held religious beliefs". Which violated the Affordable Care Act..effecting their employees who don't hold those beliefs. It also brings further issues with the RFRA that weren't ruled on. This opens the door for any company to refuse any healthcare products and services, from insurance plans, for any "sincerely held belief". Would you want your, or a loved one's, heart surgery to be "not covered" because of a "sincerely held religious belief" says blood transfusions are a sin?
Listening to this, I didn’t realise that Peter Griffin was a Christian apologist.
Jesus said that those that believe me she'll see heaven ...I believe in Jesus 100% because I'm also believing that God has created all things 100% because his design patents of his creations being geometry, mathematics, and scientific calculations are his signature of all his creations, it's all around us and within us. We have drawn on Gods mathematical genius laws to create the industrial revolution, the atom bomb, etc, etc. We use Gods mathematical design to make what ever we want be it for good or evil, the equations are there to draw from. When our last breath is expelled we meet Jesus.
Sorry, but i really do not get your point. So you believe that this god is more real than the endless amount of other gods we humans invented because...this universe is only dead and lethal to 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999..%?
Hello people at Biola University! I found this material very resourceful. I woork with some brothers to translate material from English to Spanish to share with the Spanish speaking community.
I was hoping if you could grant me the permission to translate this video and share it on our channel. Of course we would add the original link to your RUclips Channel. We would give all the credit to you and Dr. Habermas.
Thank you very much for your time.
You should probably message them or even better get the schools contact information and call them. There is good reason for them to not see your comment.
@@glenmurdock5631 Or just pray to magic sky Jesus! Prayer works, right?
Gary is great. I got to see him about three years ago near Seattle. Some Christian teacher don't like his "minimal facts" approach but I think it provides a great foundation. Skeptic or Atheist - you can't really get past the minimal evidence for the resurection.
LOL! Absurd claims by anonymous fanatics found in manuscripts dated hundreds of years after the supposed events are not "evidence" for the claims being true! Learn some critical thinking skills. Something is true because the Quran says so, or the Book of Mormon, etc? All Christian defenses are variations of three logical fallacies: 1) "Magic book says so" (fallacy of circular reasoning), 2) "Some anonymous member of my cult claimed that these stories are true in an ancient manuscript dated hundreds of years after the supposed events" (fallacy of anonymous authority), or 3) “Some member of my cult believes that these absurd claims are true, on faith” (fallacy of non sequitur), none of which is EVIDENCE that the stories are true.
@@mythbuster1483 Wow, where do I start. Your reply is more of a rant than a thoughtful critique but I'll give it a shot. The Biblical New Testament, has the oldest and best attestations of any ancient religious or philosophical work with over 25,000 handwritten copys or fragments in eight different languages. Oldest copys of important ancient works are typically hundreds of or even a thousand years more recent than the original. The oldest New Testament fragment is a portion of the book of John dated about 40 years after the original. Most of the New Testament could be assembled just from the writings of the early Church Fathers (disciples of the Apostles). Even uber skeptical Biblical scholar Bart Ehrman admits that no cardinal doctrine of the church is in doubt.
Dr. Gary Habermas didn't just fall off the turnip truck. He is considered a great Biblical scholar and he is the world's greatest living authority on the resurrection of Jesus - not an exaggeration. Obviously, you don't believe in the resurrection but that doesn't mean there is no historical evidence. Jurist Simon Greenleaf said “The foundation of our religion is a basis of fact - the fact of the birth, ministry, miracles, death, resurrection by the Evangelists as having actually occurred, within their own personal knowledge.” Greenleaf set the standard for what evidence could be admitted in a court of law in America. He also co-founded Harvard school of law. J. Warner Wallace is probably the preeminent cold case homicide detective today with a record of 30 to zero cold cases won. He was a happy, fulfilled and content Atheist and routinely ate Christians for lunch. He decided to examine the four gospels more or less on a dare. Using forensic statement analysis he determined that the new testament writers were bona fide eyewitnesses. He is now a leading Christian apologist. If you believe in the Big Bang and the origin of life on Earth from non-living matter then you already believe in much bigger miracles than God raising a man from the grave. The odds against both of those happening are super-astronomical.
@@craigbirchfield417 I appreciate your response, but unfortunately, you've been lied to. Regarding all the supposed manuscripts, you failed to mention that none date from the 1st century, none are by the original authors, and you don't even have fragments reliably dated to the 2nd century, as you claimed with John. Your earliest complete manuscripts are from the 4th century, are filled with proven fiction, forgery and evidence of editing, and no two read the same, and they were all written by anonymous, biased cult members who had both motive and opportunity to alter the texts.
Gary Habermas is a fundamentalist fanatic who is outside the mainstream of biblical scholarship. What do REAL scholars say about him? Dr. Brent Landau, professor of Religion at the University of Texas: “Yet the two biblical scholars who are featured in the movie [The Case for Christ], Gary Habermas and William Lane Craig, both teach at institutions (Liberty University and Biola University, respectively) that require their faculty to sign statements affirming that they believe the Bible is inspired by God and is free of any contradictions, historical inaccuracies or moral failings. For example, the Liberty University faculty application requires assent to the following statement: “We affirm that the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, though written by men, was supernaturally inspired by God so that all its words are written true revelation of God; it is therefore inerrant in the originals and authoritative in all matters.” The overwhelming majority of professional biblical scholars teaching in the United States and elsewhere are not required to sign such statements of faith. Many of the other scholars he interviews in his book have similar affiliations. Strobel has thus drawn from a quite narrow range of scholars that are not representative of the field as a whole.” - 'The Case for Christ': What's the evidence for the resurrection?
@@craigbirchfield417 Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: “Of our 5,500-some Greek manuscripts, over 94 percent were made after the eighth century. In other words, 94 percent of our surviving manuscripts were produced 700 years or more after the originals. So we have a lot of manuscripts, but most of them are not very close to the date of the originals. Most of them are from the Middle Ages. How many mistakes are in these manuscripts?...There are more differences in our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament. Some scholars will tell you there are 200,000 differences, some will tell you 300,000 differences, some say 400,000. I don’t know. It’s something like that; between 300,000 and 400,000 would be my guess.” - The Reliability of the New Testament
@@craigbirchfield417 Dr. Kenneth W. Clark, professor at Duke University, expert on Greek New Testament manuscripts: “The simple fact of *MASSIVE TEXTUAL VARIATIONS* (small and large) is beyond denial or refutation…These revisions clearly were made with deliberate intent and, furthermore, they do alter the sense of the text and affect the interpretation…We may well begin to ask if there really was a stable text at the beginning. We talk of recovering the original text, and of course every document had such a text. But the earliest witnesses to NT text even from the first century already show such variety and freedom that we may well wonder if the text remained stable long enough to hold a priority…it may be doubted that there is evidence of one original text to be recovered.” - The Theological Relevance of Textual Variation in Current Criticism of the Greek New Testament, Journal of Biblical Literature, Vol. 85, No. 1
Hello. I am an atheist. I define atheism as suspending acknowledgement of the existence of gods until sufficient evidence can be presented. My position is that *_I have no good reason to acknowledge the existence of gods._*
And here is the evidence as to why I currently hold to such a position.
1. I personally have never observed a god.
2. I have never encountered a person whom has claimed to have observed a god.
3. I know of no accounts of persons claiming to have observed a god that were willing or able to demonstrate or verify their observation for authenticity, accuracy, or validity.
4. I have never been presented a valid logical argument which also employed sound premises that lead deductively to a conclusion that a god(s) exists.
5. Of the 46 logical syllogisms I have encountered arguing for the existence of a god(s), I have found all to contain multiple fallacious or unsubstantiated premises.
6. I have never observed a phenomenon in which the existence of a god was a necessary antecedent for the known or probable explanation for the causation of that phenomenon.
7. Several proposed (and generally accepted) explanations for observable phenomena that were previously based on the agency of a god(s), have subsequently been replaced with rational, natural explanations, each substantiated with evidence that excluded the agency of a god(s). I have never encountered _vice versa._
8. I have never experienced the presence of a god through intercession of angels, divine revelation, the miraculous act of divinity, or any occurrence of a supernatural event.
9. Every phenomena that I have ever observed has *_emerged_* from necessary and sufficient antecedents over time without exception. In other words, I have never observed a phenomenon (entity, process, object, event, process, substance, system, or being) that was created _ex nihilo_ - that is instantaneously came into existence by the solitary volition of a deity.
10. All claims of a supernatural or divine nature that I have encountered have either been refuted to my satisfaction, or do not present as falsifiable.
ALL of these facts lead me to the only rational conclusion that concurs with the realities I have been presented - and that is the fact that there is *_no good reason_* for me to acknowledge the existence of a god.
I have heard often that atheism is the denial of the Abrahamic god. But denial is the active rejection of a substantiated fact once credible evidence has been presented. Atheism is simply withholding such acknowledgement until sufficient credible evidence is introduced. *_It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstatiated claims, especially extraordinary ones._*
I welcome any cordial response. Peace.
But we have *LOTS* of evidence for liars, and lying being common and easy, and lots of evidence for credulous idiots who will believe anything on faith...but *ZERO* evidence for gods, talking snakes, talking donkeys, 900-year-old men, or virgin-born demigods with superpowers, rotting corpses magically returning to life after 3 days, etc.
@@mythbuster1483 Exactly! Well stated. Keep posting!
It’s okay to be scared of what you cannot see, better bro, God bless
@@mythbuster1483 It’s okay to be scared of what you cannot see, better bro, God bless
@@Glorious716 It's okay to admit that you've been conned by liars. "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that the Bible is full of lies , even if they refuse to use the term." www.huffpost.com/entry/the-bible-telling-lies-to_b_840301
Ressurection stories were common in Greek literary tradition.
The gospel writers, obviously writing to their Greek (gentile) audience, would follow that tradition.
The biography of Alexander, and many other "hero" stories, also contained the ressurection element.
For the contemporary audience it was no surprise that they wrote that Jesus had ressurected. Alot of "hero's" in stories did.
In fact, it would be quite strange to them if their hero didn't "get up from the dead".
satan indeed is a liar and a deceiver…he’s lying and deceiving through you!!
@@bootsie280 Then at least satan provides a workable hypothesis while your god is no hypothesis at all.
@@lizadowning4389 - ignorance is a disease that leads to death…you will die in yours!
19:26 He made an error right here when he said "Matthew plus 80" when what he meant to say was Matthew 80AD or plus 50. He accidentally began confusing the relative dates with the time differences.
From another lecture he gave, I would say you are correct. In the other lecture, he places all of the Gospels before 70 AD because the temple was destroyed in 70 AD and NONE of them mention what would not only be a huge deal in and of itself (the temple's destruction) but also because Jesus predicted its destruction and it would be been a great confirmation.
@@michaelwill7811 But the gospels *DO* mention the temple's destruction, which would place the dates of the hypothetical, lost original manuscripts *AFTER* 70 CE. But we don't have any of the lost original texts, and don't know what they said. The earliest complete manuscripts of any of the gospel *STORIES* are dated hundreds of years later, written by anonymous, biased fanatics based on edited versions of edited versions of edited versions of the lost originals. Additionally, the earliest texts are filled with proven fiction, forgery and fraud.
@@mythbuster1483 Which Gospels? Book, chapter and verse please.
@@michaelwill7811 Mark 13:2. The gospels of Matthew and Luke are plagiarized re-writes of Mark, so that puts their dates later. This is common knowledge. Dr. James Tabor, Biblical scholar and Professor of Early Christianity at the University of North Carolina: "Of the four gospels, Mark, not Matthew, comes first, written sometime around A.D. 80 or later. Mark gives no account of Jesus’ birth at all, miraculous or otherwise, and most strikingly, in his original version, as we will see, there are no post-resurrection appearances of Jesus to the disciples! This fact alone provides us with an important key to unraveling the mystery surrounding the empty tomb. The author of Mark preserves for us a stage of history when the Jesus story is being told with an entirely different ending...What this means is that for several decades, when there were no other gospels but Mark in circulation, Christians were relating the Jesus story without the two elements that later came to be considered foundational for the Christian faith-Jesus’ virgin birth and his Easter morning appearances." Paul and Jesus: How the Apostle Transformed Christianity, pg 65-66, www.amazon.com/Paul-Jesus-Apostle-Transformed-Christianity/dp/1439123322
@@michaelwill7811 Boston College, The Dating of the Gospels: "the vast majority of researchers believe that Mark was the first Gospel to be written, sometime around the year 70. This scholarly consensus holds that the Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Luke were composed, independently of one another, sometime in the 80s or 90s. "
www.bc.edu/bc-web/schools/stm/sites/crossroads/resources/mini-course/death-of-jesus/introductory-materials.html
Great talk and I love the walk around. What I don't love is when speakers congratulate a questioner "good question" or I think GH said "excellent question". This means that every question that doesn't get congratulated is not a good or excellent question...perhaps they are dopey, dumb, dull, idiotic questions. But the game is not about the 'quality' of the question in the mind of the answerer, its the need for the answer in the mind of the questioner. When I speak I want questions, I don't want to discourage anyone (oops, I better not ask a question because I might not have a good/excellent question, just an ordinary dull one). So I say 'thanks for that question' then I answer it. Or I say, 'let me think for a moment', or I just darn well answer without judging. Imagine going to your doctor who says, 'now that's an interesting disease'...not good. Well same thing. Just don't do it.
You make a good point here. (Am I implying all other points made in the comments are not good points?) This sounds more like a personal sensitivity you have for some reason rather than a worthwhile concern that we all need to change our behavior based on.
If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult, then it MUST be a reliable source?!!
What a speaker is saying is that they perceive that the audience understands the subject matter. The evidence for that is that they recognize the progression of the thesis! It’s an unintentional way to encourage the audience to pursue the thesis with increasingly more insightful questions! Just saying!
I’ve been listening to this man for 40 years and he is so relaxed and confident in his knowledge of the current scholarship! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼✝️🙏🏼
The argument against the amount of source materials for Jesus that makes the most sense is that ultimately it doesn't matter if we are wrong about Alexander the Great. Belief in him requires nothing of us.
It offers some interesting insight into how the will play into our beliefs.
The threat to their beliefs bit goes both ways and is certainly justified because none of us really keeps out beliefs to ourselves. We all restrict one another with them politically. But the idea that most atheist apologist have daddy issues seems pretty spot on to me.
When someone is dead it means you will never see them again. That is what "dead" means. Someone can die without leaving a body behind. To say that Jesus was resurrected is to say that he wasn't dead. it is not a question of science or evidence, but a question of the meaning of words. Misunderstanding of the meaning of the resurrection is what spun Christianity off into the clouds.
Lol, lol…your entire comment is a cheap fallacy! Your idiocracy is evident in your opening statement “Being dead means you will never see them again”- really! Wrong because that’s not necessarily true someone can moved to a different country and you’ll no see them again but doesn’t mean they’re dead…right!? Being dead is to ceased to exist…Get a life because whether you believe it or not Jesus Christ is the risen Lord! Ps. You don’t know the meaning of anything! Please, explain how your nut brain works when you say that “someone can die without leaving a body behind”!?
Platforms like this are a problem because open comments are allowed and anyone and I mean anyone can pretend to know something in this case God and spewed their ignorance into the world carelessly! Like you…
so sorry. What do you think someone is saying when he says someone is dead? you know in the ordinary everyday sense of the word.@@bootsie280
How can someone die without leaving a body behind?. Did you ever hear about what happens when someone drops an atomic bomb? you should try to be a little less rude. @@bootsie280
@@mdoliner526his body was there for two days and on the third he was risen meaning he is alive so what's the objection here?
@ around 1:09:55 and on of the Q&A, it made me think of a debate James White had with Bart Ehrman and Dr. Ehrman's first rebuttal was surprisingly an emotional plea to the audience to discredit Dr. White's presentation on the reliability of the NT. He admitted that Dr. White's presentation was cogent and well thought out and praised Dr. White for being smart along with a lot of intelligent of Christians out there. But he asked people to look past what Dr. White presented as if to say it was a biased view.
Dr. White, in my opinion, gave one of the best responses to Bart Ehrman's critiques of the NT in this debate that I've heard and I've listened to a lot of debates involving Dr. Ehrman. So yes, while atheists and agnostics present some challenges to the faith, there seems to be some angry ones out there.
The problem with most religious nuts is that they don't understand what EVIDENCE is, or how CLAIMS differ from FACTS. Liars can claim anything, right? 'Some guy said so' is not EVIDENCE that his claim is true, and 'some anonymous, biased cult member made supernatural claims' is the LEAST CREDIBLE kind of claim. Do you understand why that is? And yet, that's all you have with the gospel fairy tales. Some biased member of your cult wrote a story, and you believe it on faith. But fools can believe anything on faith, right? The point is that you don't have a scrap of credible EVIDENCE that the CLAIMS are true.
@@mythbuster1483 Hi 👋
@@andys3035 Also, regarding your claim of "angry" atheists and agnostics, I don't see any of them telling their followers to murder the wives and children of those who believe differently, like your cult's holy book does: "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). So you’d murder your neighbor’s entire family, including his infant, if some man claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said you should? If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased cult members, then it MUST be a reliable source?!!
@@mythbuster1483 k 😜
@@andys3035 At least there's no harm in believing absurd supernatural claims with no evidence! "Christian father shot his son dead for being gay" Daily Mail. Where would he get that crazy idea? "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (Lev. 20:13). It's not like the bible contains proven lies by liars, right? "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *the Bible is full of lies* , even if they refuse to use the term." Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina
Atheists don't hate god, how the hell do you hate something that doesn't exist ?
That is true, how would someone hate a non existent person? Their efforts do seem to be driven by emotion
What is this dude saying other than "others (scholars) say Jesus is real, believe them"
You and everyone who believes evolution “believes Darwin and his band of compadres”, what’s the difference?? We have more proof of the existence of God than that far fetched lie that all became into existence by a cosmic mistake..
@@bootsie280people accept evolution as true due to the overwhelming amount of evidence not because Darwin published the origin of species……from my personal experience (take it how you will) the only people who constantly bring up Darwin when referring to Evolution are the very people who deny Evolution…
@@AlCapwnd-tb5ow - what other “OVERWHELMING” evidence there is to evolution besides of what Darwin deemed to be is taught!? None all that is an extension of Darwin’s original lie…nothing new same lie repackaged!! For your FYI, I do believe in science as the study of the species.. from the beginning of the age to today the earth’s topology, climate etc., has definitely gone through many changes therefore everything else have to adapt to its current environment…just because I believe in God doesn’t mean I denied the things that happens in nature…
If we weren't animals, we wouldn't have all of the same features as animals. Take a look at all mammals, and their immediate ancestral classes, the reptiles and the amphibians. ALL have a skeleton, head, body, four limbs, two eyes, two ears, a nasal structure, a mouth, an anus, female/male reproductive organs, a brain, kidneys, spleen and most of the exact internal organs. We all live, sleep, eat, think and eventually die. All of these factors indicate our comparative relationships to each other. 'But we're more intelligent than animals!' I hear the creationists scream. Not from what I can see on this page, you're not.@@bootsie280
He's an interesting speaker. Has an air of confidence in what he says.
I disagree.
Listening and learning from both sides, I lean atheism pretty hard. Not convinced God is real.
It’s not like believers aren’t familiar with leaning atheistic. Most believers were atheists by the way they lived, before being born again as believers. You cannot be on God’s team without an invitation. Don’t think God is begging for believers. If there’s a beggar, it’s us. But God being God, doesn’t leave us orphans, begging forever. He adopts us as sons and daughters.
Listening to this, I can't help but hear the occasional line be delivered by the dad from Family Guy. Great message either way, haha.
Gary: "Your relief system is a threat to them." Now chew on tha bit. 😎
To begin, my life has been one of creativity. It is that through creating I came to know of Love and through Love did I come to create. The dynamic at work in it all for me has been my imagination, and that my work as a composer serves as testament to my Faith in God, given that I consider God to be my imagination.
Some thoughts worth considering if I may, in light of the above, and the creative spirit that has gifted this world so many things at which we marvel, and that more often than not serve to sustain us as a species:
Consider if you will, a mind whose imagination knew no bounds in tailoring such spectacles as 'The Taming of the Shrew'; who penned tales of truth and treachery, benevolence and betrayal, love and death, and death as sacrifice in honour of love; dualities within a state to tax even the greatest of truths, the likes of which the world will never bear witness to again.
A man whose mind sustained him; in whom the rhythm and texture of words found no other counterpart within the genre of his expression, neither before or after the advent of his being; not in any penned history, tragedy or comedy, neither poem nor varied part that saw his art adapted by way of experimental variance to the contemporary so as to appeal more simply to the herds that otherwise might not have heard his "teachings" for what they were.
Where it could well be argued that the canon of works comprising thirty-seven plays, two narrative poems and a collection of sonnets Shakespeare presented to the world "says it all", did not Jesus say it all too, but more precisely, and with no less poetry at play by way of The Sermon on the Mount, and has not The Sermon on the Mount stood the greater test of time?
Not that it can be held true, nor even refuted, for we will never surely know, but how much of Shakespeare's work, if we consider it in just proportion to the highest of ideals, could be aligned to the allure of such a sermon that might have served as serum for the sorrows of his own personal life, the death of his son in 1596, his father in 1601 and his mother seven years later in 1608, not to mention the approach of his own passing in 1616, the cause of which is not known ...
What frailties of the human experience does Shakespeare touch upon that Jesus did not to divine the way?
Against the arras that was to become the backdrop for all subsequent literary endeavours by poets and playwrights alike, being of expression the most ideal, let us now consider The Holy Scriptures, penned as they were so many centuries before, believed by the devout to be a matter of fact, and the "in doubt" a moment of mere fiction; how in light of love their provenance matters little but for the friction that is of this:
* For any mind to imagine the coming of a Messiah; the presence of a divinity in human form, that such a form as was Jesus became The Christ who made the blind to see and the lame to walk; who removed illness and raised the dead but to be sacrificed for the sins of the world as was he so humbled before the face of humankind at its most cruel, and then to be resurrected, suggests that within the scribes who had not the inherent styling of speech as did Shakespeare, but whose servitude was such in purity to possibly surpass him - each purity of thought being a pause for thought - was the presence of The Divine, a consummate spirit that was itself both the creator and the creation of His Story: History.
How could they have been "imagined" otherwise?
How can you first imagine God without God first being present within you? How does any artist imagine their ideal without that ideal first being present in his or her being, or is that where our humility draws the line, at any hint we should so honour the power that first bestowed upon us that by which we ourselves are honoured?
To that must then be considered this: how can you first imagine evil without evil first being present within you? How could even Shakespeare first imagine treachery without treachery first being present in him? But then, things can be consciously willed and that they be so willed does not imply one necessarily has the want to occasion them. Conversely, you do not have to be present in God for God to be present within you, and is that not the divine mercy of God, that his love is so to remain present and regardless?
It is that whatever tale you tell should adhere to the highest tenet of truth any legalism or casuistry can ever admit, the truth that saw jealousy kill Jesus.
And what about the music of Bach, a voice "not quite God" but near enough to at least make you want to believe in the Almighty, and at most exclaims : "I do!"
And for that matter, what of the matter that is of you?
If The Bible is the sum total of its contradictions, is that not Life? Is that not Love?
Is not the greater question one of acceptance?
Are we not all, as is Life and Love, the sum total of our contradictions?
Therefore, is not The Bible a testament of Life and the treasury of Love one's faith requires of it to be - whatever your belief - if in what you believe there is the presence of love? Why bother to debunk or even approve of it, after all, are we not ourselves the greatest piece of fiction before the reality that will be our fate!
Is that anything to shake a spear at?
The idea that early Christianity was unified is simply untrue, it was a complete mess. In many of Paul's letters he's attacking other Christians for saying thing's that he doesn't believe in. In Acts Peter & John are described as unlearned & ignorant men. I'm struggling to believe that everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet.
24:35 he covers exactly what's wrong with the historicity of the Bible compared to other ancient historical sources. We know Julius Caesar was attributed with divinity after his death, but no historian actually accepts that as true, despite taking other bits of information that actually render plausibility within the same source. Historians treat explicitly religious texts in a far less accepting manner. Another good example would be that they don't believe that the oracle of Delphi had any prophetic powers despite the countless accounts of accurate predictions and the discovery of their temple.
The Bible is absolutely historically useful for trying to understand first century Christians. However, this is not indicative of the truthfulness to the miracle claims.
He's not a smart man and he's not talking to smart people.
@@ballasog He has a Doctor of Philosophy from Michigan state university and a master's degree in philosophical theology from the University of Detroit.
Pretty smart I would think
As to the second part.
Are you saying that people with a religious belief and/or religious background are not smart? That's not necessarily true. There have been s lot of smart people, past and present, that have had religion as a pronounced part of their life.
Can world views get in the way of learning and teaching? Absolutely
@@CedanyTheAlaskan He teaches at Liberty University. I'm not saying people with a religious belief and religious background are not smart, but smart people generally don't belong to the freakshow denominations that make up white evangelicalism. And You can tell Habermas is a stone idiot because he makes the stupidest resurrection argument that can be imagined, and he uses near-death experiences to back it up.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Q.E.D.
@@ballasog Well said! Habermas is also contractually obligated to defend Liberty University's faith statement, or he could lose his lucrative job selling lies to gullible fanatics.
If Caesar was God, he did a bad job making his religion. If anyone is God, it's Jesus. Look into flat earth. Proves God is real.
Love your work. Would love a scaled down, linear presentation. You are always interrupting your main points, to give sidebars. I forget where you are going. Takes patience as a listener.
I actually like that. It gives Gary a more natural and authentic delivery because he stutters, goes of topic and occasionally mixes up names and dates. For me, it actually makes his argument better because you can tell he believes it so deeply that he doesn't need it to be scripted and can just deliver it off the cuff. It's a stark contrast to Lee Strobel. I watched one of Lee's talks and started watching another but quickly realised the second was almost line for line identical to the first one. I believe that Lee believed what he was saying but he doesn't have Gary's relaxed and confident charisma because it's clear he needs to plan his speeches beforehand.
Dr. Robert W. Funk (chairman of the graduate department of religion at Vanderbilt University): "Information derived from what nameless or unnamed people say is called ‘hearsay.’ The foundation of the critical approach to the gospels is the recognition that much of the information in the gospels is based on hearsay." - The Acts of Jesus: The Search for the Authentic Deeds of Jesus
The only problem with that argument is that every bit of evidence for any person in history is hearsay. Or came to us from sources that were written 1000 years after the fact. Or we only have "evidence" in the form of buildings that were built or stuff like that. Nobody for example has any evidence for any speeches a person in antiquity held, except for hearsay.
We have to understand that the huge thing that is taught is the faith factor. The bible says, without faith it is impossible to please God. He also reminded Thomas of these points. Thomas demanded the evidence of his wombs. Then Jesus rebukes him. Why ? He had no faith unless he sees the evidence first. He had no faith in God unless he sees evidence. Another way to explain this is when a child comes to the Father and he doesn't understand anything about science (required evidence by man). So he asks his dad if he can go ice skating. The dad says no son, the ice is too thin. The Father understands science. So what pleases the father is, his son having faith in him and says, " Thanks dad I won't go ice skating ? " To which the Father is well pleased.
One of the other factors that exist is the belief that because you have a university degree it means you are smarter than the next person. Nothing could be further from the truth. Why ? When Jesus was only 7 years old he was in the temple speaking with these religious scholars. The scholars were absolutely amazed at his answers. (Now I would also like to point out that this doesn't mean you should not go to university ) The difference is because you have a degree does not necessarily mean you are more intelligent than those who do have a degree. Why do you suppose some universities give honorary degrees to certain individuals in society. Here's the reason why. When Thomas Edison invented most of his inventions there were no books written on his inventions yet. So how could anyone learn how a light bulb for example was produced. The engineering students would not have had the material to learn. One of the other verses in the bible which actually leads to this thought is, Who taught God ? You cannot even fathom the mind of God ! Paul also pointed to this analysis.
Gary was also dead on when he leads to the analogy about when the New Testament was written. Now also remember the disciples do not really come to faith until after the resurrection of Jesus. Jesus basically told them this would happen to them, but they did not get it until the resurrection occurred. He said I most go first. Then they would understand after his death. Remember all the times Peter rejected Jesus. Jesus told him this would occur. So one day Peter is having a real bad day fishing. Then out of nowhere he hears this voice giving him instructions on where to cast his net. I am sure he recognized the voice but at first he doesn't get it. Then when he is obedient and listens to his voice. His boat is swamped with fish. Instantly he recognizes that voice. Why ? Peter was receiving a miracle. Now you have to remember Peter abandoned him at and after the cross. But he instantly realizes Jesus still had not given up on him. It was then when Peter's life was changed forever. He indeed had a friend who not only pursued him, but never abandoned him ! For the first time Peter realized this verse or saying from Jesus.
12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit-fruit that will last-and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. 17 This is my command: Love each other. John 15: 12-17
Wow the sound is nice.
You can be moral without seeing evidence of a loving God who is an invisible spirit. Yes, you can. I know many people who are.
Religious nuts are LESS moral than nonbelievers. Could you convince an atheist to stab an infant to death? With credulous fanatics, all you have to do is claim "gawd"! "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3).
It’s a contradiction brother, all love and God bless
@@Glorious716 true love is actions not invisibility
@@Glorious716 Why is it so easy to get credulous members of your cult to murder children and infants just by claiming that god said so? "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). Hopefully members of a death cult don’t murder your entire family just because some member of their cult claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said they should. If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult who thought the world was flat and illness was caused by demons, then it MUST be a reliable source of real history, right?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
Over an hour long. At which point in this video is evidence for the resurrection presented?
Why do people disbelieve despite the evidence? Habermas says people believe what they want to believe despite the evidence. True. And similarly there are those who believe despite no evidence. Habermas falls by his own statement. His evidence is weak, yet he believes. He believes in the resurrection because he wants to believe.
I find it interesting that we cannot verify supernatural events in modern times, such as haunting or other mysteries claimed to be supernatural, but then confidently claim the study of history can perform this task based on written descriptions alone.
All explanations for the supernatural are guesswork because if the supernatural is “beyond” the bounds of nature, no natural means can investigate them.
The field of history is as incapable of confirming the supernatural as a yardstick is incapable of measuring how heavy something is. The tool is just not capable of the task. We can use history to explore what people said, wrote, or believed about the event, but can know nothing about the event itself.
Here’s a challenge: use historical research along to demonstrate the validity of the Flying Dutchman’s existence. This should be easy since we have eyewitness from modern times giving testimony in their own words. This should be even more convincing than the Gospels, shouldn’t it?
Do you know of anyone who is (or was, if not modern) so absolutely convinced that they saw the Flying Dutchman that they would have died rather than deny it?
There are plenty of things that people see, which may or may not be figments of their imaginations. The difference between those supernatural phenomena and the resurrection is that the witnesses fully believed it and went to their deaths believing it; some of them did not even believe in Jesus until they saw him after his death.
Anyone can say they saw anything. It's quite another thing entirely to say it in the face of torture and death.
@@lauraandrews1676 There really isn't as much evidence for Christian martyrs as you think there are. It's an oversold argument. Sean McDowell is a good Christian resource who talks about this.
But let's ignore actual history for a moment. How do you imagine a martyr scenario would play out, exactly?
Romans: "Deny your master or you'll die!"
Disciple: "OK, I made it all up! Just let me go!"
Romans: "Oh, well, okay then. I guess the rules say we're forced to set you free. Dang it!"
Roman 2: "We really should stop giving them that option. Why do we let then recant again?"
Roman 1: *shrug*
Even if we go so far as to say some disciple were tortured to death for their beliefs, there is zero reason to believe they were ever given the opportunity to recant, and if they were given the opportunity, that their captors would actually set them free instead of simply kill them as a deterrent to others.
@@lauraandrews1676 Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies, University of North Carolina: “We don’t know what happened to most of the disciples in the end. We certainly have no evidence that they were all martyred for their faith. On the contrary, almost certainly most of them were not. So there is no need for talk about anyone dying for a lie.” - How Jesus Became God.
@@lauraandrews1676 Dr. Candida Moss, professor of early Christianity at the University of Notre Dame: "On the Roman side, there is very little historical or archaeological evidence for the widespread persecution of Christians...Then there were the STORIES about early Christian martyrs, commonly known as 'martyr acts' or martyrdom stories...The vast majority of these STORIES, however, were written long after the events they purport to describe. There are literally hundreds of STORIES describing the deaths of thousands of early Christian martyrs, but almost everyone of these stories is legendary...for those interested in the history of martyrdom, fabrication causes a problem. In some of these cases, scholars are not sure that the people described in these stories even existed, much less that they were martyred." The Myth of Persecution: How Early Christians Invented a Story of Martyrdom, pg 14 - 16
Why can't it be true that God intervened through miracles in the past but not now? We refuse to believe it unless it's ongoing? That's not a foolproof method of determining the past, is it?
Habermas' argument: "everyone already agrees with me." No, Gary. No, we do not. That's why you're here.
Who are "we"?
Abdul you can disagree but the evidence speaks for itself and you just look and sound stupid
@@steveschmidt6847 I don't think you're being honest because there's no way that you're actually that dumb. Just in case you're not a liar and you're just an idiot, "we" refers to anyone who does not agree with him. In this case, since the king dunce Habermas specifically said that "skeptics" accept his positions, you could at the very least have identified "skeptics" as being in the "we" category. Honestly, what an insanely stupid question.
Huh? Did you listen to his argument?
@@dentonhahn2907 Yes, obviously. I see that you did not.
Watched this a couple times, haven't seen a cameo by any Dr. Gary Habermas yet...what video is everyone else in the comments seeing or is there a b side I'm missing... 🤔
Dr. Habermas is the speaker through the full video…..😂
15 minutes in and still telling background stories. Please tightened it up sir.
The fundamental problem here is that all the evidence is internal to the NT.
Characters in a story saying things does not constitute evidence, unless there is independent verification.
So, when Tacitus writes that "Tiberius did such and such" or that "The Roman Legions in Germany attacked this or that place" one's evidence for the existence of the people mentioned and the deeds attested is not confined to the text. There are substantial amounts of corroborating evidence, whether other texts, archaeology, etc.
But, if I were to suggest that because hundreds of people watched Harry Potter win a Quidditch match, we have evidence of the existence of Harry Potter, Quidditich, and the Match, the problem would be that other than the text itself, there is no other corroborating evidence. Of course, as we all know, the testimony of fictional characters does not constitute evidence of anything.
The NT is a lot more like a Harry Potter book than it is like Tacitus. There is very little external corroboration of the people and events, significantly less, even, than for the Old Testament. Even the very existence of Jesus as an actual, historical person has scant evidence, outside the NT, with Josephus being one of the most notable examples and those sections of Josephus, now, are increasingly believed to have been added later. And certainly, we have no evidence that the characters in the stories who say they saw Jesus after he died existed or that they actually said anything of the sort, other than what it says in the NT itself.
Sorry, Gary. Do not pass "Go," do not collect $200."
Give me non-Romans sources for the life of Nero. I want non-Roman sources since Romans writers are bias and write with political agenda. Therefore any account of the character of Nero as portrayed by Suetonius and Tacitus for example cannot be trusted as having any basis in history but historical fiction. It is just like reading Harry Potter.
The New Testament has LOTS of collaboration. Like the reign of Herod, Pontius Pilate, the High Priest Caiaphas, Saducees, Pharisees, Tiberius Caesar, the Jewish Temple layout, the layout of first century Palestine, etc. You are just a biased Fundy atheist using double standards when it comes to viewing documents.
LogosTheos
_"Give me non-Romans sources for the life of Nero. I want non-Roman sources since Romans writers are bias and write with political agenda."_
There exists archaeological evidence of Nero, such as official Roman currency. I'm sorry, but your attempt to even the playing field here doesn't work at all.
LogosTheos
_"The New Testament has LOTS of collaboration. Like the reign of Herod, Pontius Pilate, the High Priest Caiaphas, Saducees, Pharisees, Tiberius Caesar, the Jewish Temple layout, the layout of first century Palestine, etc."_
In what way does this substantiate other claims about magical people? You seem to be arguing that we should believe that Spiderman exists because the comics about him talk about New York.
_"You are just a biased Fundy atheist using double standards when it comes to viewing documents."_
Nah, Bayes theorem demands that rational inference always adjusts the demand for evidence according to the background evidence. That is, when someone claims people do impossible things like walking on water, this has to be accompanied with equally impressive evidence. When the claims are about things that are unheard of, they will also be inherently less probable than alternative hypotheses such as "people lied or were mistaken".
That said, I don't trust much of the sources you point to there either. Suetonius is a worthless historical source who transmits the most inane slander. Even so, it's possible to treat his writings as hypotheses that might be substantiated by archaeology.
In any case, I'm sorry to tell you that you're wildly irrational if you think that having substantiated the existence of Pontius Pilate you are now free to believe that magic took place 2000 years ago. This would be objectively invalid reasoning.
Just because it's been given a name and people really really really thought they were true doesn't make it any less of a pile of historical documents.
I'm assuming this is comedy?
Surely these people know there's no such person as the "Jesus" of the bible?
I really think they believe that there once was a man walking around performing miracles that no one recorded, priceless!
It's quite comical reading your comment after watching the video (which I'm assuming you haven't). We literally have more contemporary sources on Jesus than we do Tiberius Caesar, even excluding writings in the New Testament (21:15).
@@EricTheYounger Fine can you share them?
@@EricTheYounger Still waiting Eric, how much longer are you going to be??
@@EricTheYounger If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult, then it MUST be a reliable source?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
Dr. HABERMAS should come to Slovenia and destroy all this academic borredom here. 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Dude literally provided zero evidence for a resurrection
It's a miracle.
Wow. Such nonsense. So much spin and misrepresentation.
+scottbignell any specifics?
HuckFinn so all scholars whether atheist, agnostic, Jewish, etc. are all wrong and have no specifics. it is all documented.
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I get that I’m very late to the party, but yes, it sounds to me like that’s his argument. Everyone, everywhere is now wrong about everything, and now nothing from history is knowable, because if we fairly apply the normal standards of evidence that all historians use in all other situations to THIS topic, it would force him to have to consider something that makes him uncomfortable.
Sigh...
This is the sad state of intellectual honesty in our world, and it only seems to be getting worse.
Habermas' examples of Alexander the Great (20:22) and Tiberius (21:27) as comparandums for the Bible are unfortunate because they do undermine his case somewhat. While it is true that the surviving histories concerning Alexander the Great are much later, he ignores the wealth of non-literary evidence: archaeological (so the Macedonian royal tomb has been discovered at Aegae), epigraphical (contemporary inscriptions made by, in the name of, or for, Alexander), and numismatic (coins) evidence. In short, we have coins with Alexander's face on them, and the eastern half of the Roman empire speaks Greek for a reason. Much is the same evidentially for Tiberius, who was actually a very successful general before becoming emperor, and his career is well-knowable. As a point of detail, the earliest history referencing Tiberius is not Tacitus but Velleius Paterculus, who served under Tiberius and was an exact contemporary, publishing his history in 30 AD while Tiberius was emperor. Herod Antipas founds the city Tiberias, named after the emperor (his friend) in 17 AD. Finally, Habermas' date for Mark (19:10) and suggestion that 40 years is not a long time in the ancient world is a little misleading because the average lifespan in antiquity is around 20 years old. So 40 years is two generations into the future. Two generations' worth of time is a big deal, especially for something as unique and apparently fantastical as someone literally coming back from the dead.
I don’t know what it is , but I keep on coming back listening to you and that somehow makes me feel closer to Christ !
Yeah, don't worry about evidence or proof.
@@DocReasonable what proof or evidence would you need?
@@HS-zk5nn Prove that magic CAN happen for a start. Also, it'd be great if you could find some contemporary historical accounts of Jesus because nobody else ever has.
@@DocReasonable who said it was magic? there are plenty of accounts
@@HS-zk5nn It's not science, so it's magic. There are no accounts of Jesus other than the Gospels, which were written at least 350 years after his supposed lifetime.
If you’re not a born again Christian then chances are that you’ll be unable to place your right palm on the KJV and say these words once only.
Rev.12:9 The devil deceives the whole world.
❤️✝️Jn.3:7
"The devil deceives the whole world." What again was this good for? Was this some kind of magical spell? what´s the effect?
But i have a challenge for you as well: I bet that no born-again Christian is able to present even a single rational argument for his god to be more real than all the millions of other gods worldwide.
@@hitman5782 post a video of yourself voicing these words once only-> I refuse to be deceived by the devil
@@variousbirdspecieshahaha Sure, no problem, i will link it to you, but given that i did as you asked, please at least try to complete my challenge as well.
Try to present a single rational argument that should convince an open mind that your god is more real than all the other gods worldwide.
And one question, what´s the point with this "The devil deceives the whole world."? Is that something the devil can´t say or a magical spell, or what should that be good for? And if it doesn´t satisfy you when people write this text, what´s the difference if they make a video about voicing it? I really don´t get it.
And if it is somehow necessary to make a video about it, what have people done before videos have been invented?
@@hitman5782 post a video of yourself voicing these words once only-> I refuse to be deceived by the devil