Mastering Outball Line Calls - The Only Pickleball Video on Outballs You NEED to Watch
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
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Pickleball line calls can be very challenging for players of all levels, in this video I explore all the relevant rules in 2024 USA Pickleball Rulebook and explain how and when outball calls should be made. #pickleball #匹克球
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While I am a little annoyed by the rule I am very happy that you took the time to make this video and explain it to me!
Thank you sir, much appreciate your comment and feedback!
Good video, if you see it out after the bounces call it out. missed , if you ask your opponents what they saw, you must accept their call. If they saw it out, they should call it out (integrity counts). If they did not see it, the ball call goes in their favor. If you call it in and your partner calls it out, the call goes in favor of your opponents. Correct me if I am wrong.
Yup!
Nice Video. But I believe this rule is very poor. The rule should be...."If the ball touches the line it's in"....period! Rules will not stop people from making bad calls. For people who are trying to be fair, let them make the judgment if the ball touched the line. Of course if they are not sure if the ball touched the line, they should consider it in. But the current rule is crazy. A "ball in" should not depend on where you view the ball from. It's just stupid and I think 99% of people would agree.
I was also very shocked when I dug into the rules on this, yeah I think it could do with some improvements.
I agree with you! The call should not depend on which angle you are viewing the ball. If you don't clearly see the ball out, then it should be called in. If your playing partner has a better angle at seeing the ball and the line, then let them make the call.
Didn't know about the "clearly see the space" rule. I've always called out based on what I think the point of contact is on or outside the line.
You are not the only one, I used to think the same way!
I agree with @pastorcurtis. Even though the rule states that you must see the gap, the player's and the ref's angle will be slightly different, but the ball is either in or out - it doesn't change it's position just because you see it from a different angle. If the bottom contact point hits outside the line, the ball is out. Especially as the player who is not in position to try and return the ball, we have an obligation to watch carefully and call it correctly. Sure, if I'm in doubt, I won't call it out, but if I see the contact point outside the line, it is wrong for me to not call it out. Even in rec' play, the thinking that "it was close enough" does a disservice to the other team. Try to move into a position where you can see the contact point and try to make accurate calls. It's part of the game.
Thanks for sharing
Great video! I never knew about this rule that's based on your angle of view. That really needs to be changed.
Glad it was helpful! I also think this rule could do with some improvement for sure! share this with your friends if they are struggling calling outballs, too!
These are reasonable guidelines. One of the reasons I hate playing with Joola Gen 3 power type of paddles is because they produce so much power that on smashes you truly can't see the ball wiz by when it's like a foot near the line. Which leads to a wrong calls that you have to make due to rules.
@@M4B3THinSPACE I believe ya! It’s never easy to see the gaps when the ball is so close to the line when it’s that fast!
This is why I always let my partner cross court call out balls they have the best angle. Also on serves I rely on my partner as the ball blocks my view of the line. I also try to help my opponent if I see the ball clearly out but they don’t call it I call it out for them. I’m not perfect at it and it gets harder the faster the balls are hit but I think people know that your trying to be fair goes a long way to help keep the game fun and competitive.
yeah, that's very sensible I think. I agree, if you were to follow the rules, it doesn't mean you'll always end up with perfect calls. making the call with the intent of being fair goes a long way, well said!
Request: video on how to avoid hitting out balls.
Haha, great suggestion!
And easy shots into the net.
Terrible advice at 4:15. Those are clearly out. It's not rocket science: if it touches the line, it's in. If you can clearly tell it did not touch the line, it's out. "overshadowing" the line does not make it in (unlike in tennis where the ball compresses).
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
That ball is out in every game I have ever played, and no one would dispute. Someone starts calling those "IN" and there would be a discussion.
I error on the side of calling it in.
Very much agreed, I also appreciate how hard it can be to be consistent with it during games, especially competitive games!
One conflict...once a player experiences a close line bounce (actually out) it's no longer "unclear" if it's out or in so it's an easy call ....out.
Sorry to say this but this is true. and truth prevails.
Can I just add this too...in your samples showing frustration with the players the referee had the "wrong" angle on the ball and should have delegated the call to the player with the angle. And then put the honor on the player to be truthful.
So either way an argument can be made. Clear or off view of the ball. Peace out.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Thanks for sharing!
Great video!
Thank you CJ!
I’m 63 yoa. I came up through tennis boom of 70s. Pball will
blast tennis outta the stratosphere.
But line calls are an issue. Many don’t understand an
“honor code” of fair play.
I prefer to lose while making fair calls vs win with suspect
calls.
Thus I give away way too many points. Enough to sway a match on occasion.
Pickleball is harder because the ball won’t flatten at impact.
There are a couple iPhone apps out there. If I get competitive in this sport ,
I will get app and ask opponent
if agreeable to use ?
Never thought about that, yeah that would be interesting. I don’t know if Al tournaments allow technology to be used or not, might be worth checking with event organization prior to the game!
People constantly calling balls out that are clearly in is taking the fun out of pickleball.
For those people, karma will eventually catch up to them.
if the line is grazed, the finger is raised
I can see the logic in that for sure.
So, two players with different angles of view can call the same ball in opposite ways and both be correct! So which one do we pick rules the day?
Great question, if both players on the same team cannot reach agreement, then the ball will be ruled in favor of your opponents (ball is in)
@@superdupr.pickleball Wait aminute. My partner and i are looking at a ball that lands outside the court. My partner can’t see a gap though he knows the ball landed out but is required to call it in. I have a better angle and clearly see it out. Are we as a team allowed to defer to the partner with the better angle?
@@davidwatkins8016 the rules are quite complex around this, in your particular scenario, you cannot overrule your partner's initial call after the rally because it puts your team in a advantageous position. if your partner's initial call was 'out', but from your angle you saw it as 'in', then you can overrule your partner's call since that gives the advantage to your opponents. given the situations, here's what your team could do, you would get together with your partner and reach an agreement whether the ball was in or out, if you both agree it was out, then you may request for an appeal (in officiated matches) and ask if the ref saw it as in or out. In unaffiliated match, your only option would be to consult your opponents, if they agree with your adjusted assessment, then you guys can overrule the initial line call, keep in mind, the moment you consult with your opponent for line call, your team lose the right to make any more subsequent line calls for that rally, meaning the decision will be with your opponents
@@superdupr.pickleball Not gonna happen.
It's absolutely impossible to be correct all the time. In tennis, with pros, ref and line judges, the technology has shown that there are many mistakes. People need to chill about lines, my view is that if the opponent calls a ball that I saw as mostly out then I take my pill and follow the rule which is to let the opponents call their side. I do my best to only call a ball out when I see a gap and from decent viewing angles and I'm sure I get a few wrong just like anyone. So be it, it's just a game
Yeah, I agree, doing the best o follow the rule definitely doesn’t equate to perfection, we all make mistakes, intent is more important.
If you’re not sure, it’s in. Period.
Haha
The rule sucks. One person on the team can see a space, the other person can't. What happens then?
That’s a good question, in fact if you and your partner cannot reach agreement on the call, then the rule says that means the ball is automatically ruled ‘in’, in favor of your opponents.
Wtf, the ball touches line. Its in period. The problem is, it can be difficult to see ball based on the speed of p.b.
Yeah the speed doesn’t help.
Pickleball on the slow side compared to squash ball, racquetball, shuttlecock travelling much faster in pro playing than p.b. having camera using instant replay will help??
Absolutely will help, I don’t know if the camera technology will be deployed widely to your local tournaments and rec games.
Who calls it?????
In a game with no refs, the players make the line calls for their own side of the court.
This is not practical
Yeah it’s what makes this rule very tricky in reality.
This is dumb. Having to a ball from where YOU'RE at rather than based on where it actually lands.
The rules could do with some improvements.
I do not 100% agree. If you see that a bal's center is well off the line then the ball is out. A PB ball is different in that it doesn't compress like a tennis ball. But this is not that different from tennis, in that any portion of the ball striking/ in contact with any portion of the line makes it in.
The video is helpful but I do not agree about some of the views and not being able to call the ball out.
I can see your point of view, I think better rule can help
People fucken cheat. I got cheated twice while tied 28 up and lost 28 to 30. My wife was filming and we went back and watched and both those balls was clearly out and it wasnt even that close. Cost me my first lost in months.
Sorry to hear that man, yeah unfortunately there’s always people like that, hopefully those are just the minority.
When in doubt call it out
Thx for sharing your thoughts l.
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