RTX 4070 Laptops are Confusing...
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- Опубликовано: 21 фев 2023
- My review of the MSI Stealth 16 Studio and Stealth 14 Studio. The best thin gaming laptop from MSI with RTX 4070 and RTX 4060. Performance and gaming benchmarks compared to RTX 3070 Ti + RTX 3070
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MSI: "we call this the "STEALTH".
Also MSI: slaps a knockoff Lamborghini logo and RGB LEDs on it
See also: Linus's definition of a "sleeper PC".
Well considering how their non-stealth gaming laptops look this IS stealth 😅
It also also used to be way worse in the gaming laptop bracket, there were many many atrocities that I personally wouldn't of even felt comfortable pulling up with at the local coffee shop. Arguably so the RGB craze is somewhat a good runner up to match those god awful designs
Ferrari crest*
You misused a quotation mark.
Different name, not very different performance. Hardware unboxed was so unimpressed they cancelled their review
ouch!
Even Jarrod review say the same
How about the price? I would assume it's different.
shouldn't have cancelled it, should have called Nvidia on who they are - a bunch of scammers. Why not base the laptop 4070 chip on the desktop 4070? Ah yes, because money. Because how many people would buy 4080 laptops if Nvidia kept it honest?
Wait... but Matthew Moniz just said "not that much a diference that last year model, and thats a good thing" when he reviewed razer with 4070... So is not good to pay much more $$$ for same???? Damn Dave...
The problem with the 4070 at this price its just too expensive for what it is
Correct, it is more like 3060, than 3070 replacement, generation wise.
Bro that’s the case with every 4000 series graphics card
I mean if you want the new 18 inch G18, the 4070 model is "Cheap" for a brand new product with top of the line I9 13980HX and that amazing 18" 1600p 240hz screen
The problem with 4070m is that it's a scam. In 3000 series, 3070m was based on the same chip as desktop 3070.
This time around, 4070m is based on desktop 4060 ti, those are 2 different chips with 4060\4060 ti being largely inferior to 4070.
Thats a feature, not a bug mate. It helps justify the cost of the 4080 when the 4080 is overpriced as well
I love the looks of them and can't wait to try them out! But I think the "stealth" moniker really becomes meaningless when they light up the "stealth" letters...
Should be invisible dark force. Now, we white edition.
Glad I just got the Legion 5 Pro 3070. Massive clearance sales increase the price gap a ton between the previous and next gen devices. After seeing benchmarks, it would mean I have to pay 35% more money for 5-10% more performance overall
Can you help me get out of plat? I'm lvl 300 soon I should be at least Ascendant at this point lol
How much did you get it for?
@@Solokid404
The Legion 5 pro 3070 got down to $1100 over Black Friday. 3070 to laptops, which provide the same performance (sometimes better) than the 4070 were down to $1300. Meanwhile 4070 laptops are $2000+. You would genuinely have to be special in the head to buy a 4070 laptop over last gen with that price gap. The only time it's truly better is in DLSS FG but very, very few games support it and even new games coming out aren't certain to.
4070 laptops are over $2,000.
@@KaoruSugimura $1100?! I would have snagged that in a heartbeat 😭
As per Jarrod's tech analysis, Mobile 4070 performs worse than mobile 3070ti.
MSI: The Stealth lineup will be more of a budget option.
MSI in Australia: The 14 inch model with the 4060 will start at $3700.
Yeah, no idea what he is thinking calling it a „budget“ option. MSI has always been absurdly overpriced.
The 4080 variant sits at 5k in Europe, so the 4070 will probably be around 4k which is just stupid.
>live on island thousands of miles from anywhere else
>every single good on the island has to be sent by boat or airplanes
>wonder why everything costs more
>blame the companies because you live on an island
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator you do know all these laptops are manufactured in either Taiwan or China right?
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator That's the same for nearly every country because everything is shipped from China.
@CyberneticArgumentCreator Most things in Australia excepting tech products and cars are made locally. The "island" you're talking about is larger than Western Europe
Also, what country makes literally everything except maybe China?
Always appreciate the concise objectivity and the clean, pleasing colors Dave. Two thumbs up!
Dave spitting facts. No nonsense videos. Love it.
I keep thinking there's a grey spec of dust in the middle of my screen whenever I watch a new Dave2D video
Very curious to see how well the zephyrus g14 will fare this year with NVIDIA gpus
hopefully it's in my budget too 😿
I found a 3080ti laptop for nearly $1000 off MSRP the day before the 4080 mobile launched. It’s a proper little beast of a gaming laptop and while the new version is a pretty solid improvement, I’m not sure it is worth the nearly $2000 extra dollars it would have cost over the unit I got on sale.
Which laptop 💻?
@@Parichaychatterjee1 razor blade 15.
Dave2D always comes in fresh even when the outro is an oldie. ;-)
How is it oldie? More like it's his signature.
@@rollingthunder9769 it's an oldie because like he said, he hasn't said it in a long time. ;-)
@@kyoko703 I see, didn't even realize he rarely do that now. Time sure flies.
@@rollingthunder9769 fo sho!!! 2020 to now has all seem like a gigantic blur.....
@@kyoko703 Yea, struggled so much to get through the pandemic with a long chain of unfortunate events. It gets better this year and so i hope i can find some good memories.
Loving the longer hair bro 😁
Gotta go full super Saiyan soon
agreed 💯
I looks like the winds blowing behind him
Thought you were kandyrew for a moment
Gay
The 4070 laptops should take a big cut in pricing to be worth buying else it's not. There are not many games that support DLSS3 and Frame Generation
literally all the new AAA game supported it what do you mean? Even some old games are starting to update to DLSS3 too.
@@phongphamthanh5911 at least he got more likes so he must be right *irony off*
3:24 that numpad should be illegal
Do you think you could recommend the MSI stealth 14 studio over like ASUS g14 AMD advantage edition from last year? Looking to pick up a new laptop this year but don't know if this year's laptops really have that significant in gains to merit the extra $.
"Haven't said this phrase in a really long time", I totally cocked my head to the side when you said it, because I hadn't heard it in awhile! Bring it back Dave! Awesome content as always, love your videos. 7 thumbs up!!
As somebody who has no interest in 4K, I'm kinda interested in the 4070 if I were to ever upgrade my laptop
Always appreciate how you explain the market position of new products Dave and the relative value compared to previous iterations. Thanks man 👍
Your two second intro is so smooth it’s almost therapeutic
Do u know when the stealth 16 studio will be available in stores tho? I really want to purchase this.
Crazy that I made the perfect decision buying a Legion 5 Pro 2021. The fully powered 3070 in the Legion is more or less on par with devices released two years later.
What a loss, same performance + new technology
Nice watch btw! Is it a new ga2100 model or some custom mod?
Would also like to know that!!!
Hey Dave! Thank you for all the good content! Will you make a new "The Best Laptops" video for 2022? I like your previous ones.
Keeping the keyboard area dark keeps you from needing to have the screen brightness up. White is bright and would need a brighter screen to compensate for that.
Everything okay with you bro?
Dave - it's been a long time - are you still alive?
I have your oldest, and I'm waiting for your newest to come in the mail to replace it. Apart from the spicy pillows MSI used instead of batteries in the GS63, it has been a great laptop. I'm only just now running into games I can't play, and technically, Starfield does play on it, just at very low settings.
The music at the end sounded AWESOME. Listening on my iPhone 13 mini in my living room, sounded like surround sound. It made me look behind me.
Name?
Please review the samsung book 3 ultra and how it compares to the dell XPS
MSI laptop hinges are extremely flimsy. My PS42's hinge cracked under very normal, mostly at home use, it's being held together by reinforced aluminum tape... I see that those new devices have a pretty much identical hinge mechanism.
Looking at the graph at 1:32 it makes me wonder if you can get a high wattage 4060 instead of a 4070, or just step all the way up to a 4080.
Assuming this is the time to buy last generation laptops at a great price, what are some top choices? Thank you so much!
Man I really appreciate the 60fps. Looks so smoother and crisper than all the 30fps productions here on youtube.
Most RUclipsrs use 24 fps because cInEmAtIc
MKBHD is very wrong sticking to 30fps choppy videos, he needs to step up his game too.
@@AliArghavan calm down Steven Spielberg
@@AliArghavanwhy is more frames stepping up? What does that have to do with production value?
@@AliArghavan mkbhd said specifically he like 30fps more. And I understand why. I don't have a preference, but I can see why 60fps video is weird for some people
This "4070" should really be a 4060, where it would actually be a noticeable performance bump coming from a 3060.
As a 4070, it's a rip-off card for the $ considering you can find 3070ti laptops for $1400 right now easily in the US.
Exactly I got my max wattage 3070ti for 1359$ (MSI ge66). Performance is on par with max wattage 4070..
@@7evive 105W 4070 performs the same as a 3070ti at 150W. The only laptops (with 4070) worth it are the thin and light laptops that can handle the 105W and provide the performance of a 3070ti without thermal issues.
@@bl4ckst0ne Honestly I'm not even too sure about these numbers. Jarrod did 25 games with a 150W 3070ti and a 140W 4070.
The 3070Ti beat the 4070 in over half the games if there was no DLSS or frame generation. That is a much bigger sample size than any of these numbers.
@@bl4ckst0ne It doesn't. Watch Jarod's video for a deeper analysis.
@@fidelisitor8953 oh i forgot...jarod's words are gospel
Hey Dave if you see any sales, you can make a video, I bought my current 1660 TI Razer Blade 15 after the video you made when it was in sale
Curious how you do your battery testing, curious how my Eluk g3r 12700h/rtx3060 stacks up.
Not really seeing the 30 series price drops quite yet as 40 series is only now just trickling out. I imagine the price drops will begin in earnest in mid-March through Spring. Once a 3080 Ti lappy is $500-$1000 cheaper than 4070...that'd be the time to snag.
Wdym?
4:10 Could someone give some examples on what workflows could be dependent on video memory speed and why? I'ma beginning hobby photographer with access to Photoshop and Lightroom so im wondering if this would apply to me. I think I don't this part of the video well enough. Thanks in advance c:
This is coming from a dev, so might not apply much to you especifically:
2 memory problems:
-> When you don't have enough to fit everything in the GPU vram (let's say, a really big photo)
-> When you're memory is too slow (something that needs to access large amounts of memory fast)
AI (machine learning) is a prime example: it needs to fit in the memory to perform well and needs to access a ton of memory (*tons of VRAM and big bus*)
Depending on the type of photography that you do, this might affect you, but it is necessay to calculate the exact necessity to be really sure.
PS.: What happens when you can't fit the whole thing in the GPU? 1. I might not run or 2. It migh use your RAM (causing degraded performance)
@@tablettablete186I'm a bit late, but thank you for your response! RUclips didn't notify me of any replies :(
thanks for giving me a different perspective; I was about to get a Crosshair but now reconsidering my options
The startding logo for dave 2D is sick. I watched it like 10 times.
Nice. Got me a 3070 laptop during Christmas sale. So worth
Where's Dave????????
I was thinking about buying the ROG Zephyrus duo 16 with the RTX 4090 and then I saw these videos and now I don't know if I should go with another brand Maybe they do a better job with the components, any help or recommendations would be appreciated
I’m diggin’ the flow Dave, grow it out!
I have a feeling this is where AMD is going to dominate because they're already more efficient and then you add in the new AMD 7000 CPU/GPU Advantage Laptops that'll get more performance at that same wattage
My question is if the 'detuning' has helped the battery life for intel/nvidia laptops because it has been quiet convincingly beat by the all-AMD offerings. I will wait and see what AMD have coming and then decide because battery life is important to me for which I wouldn't mind sacrificing 5-10% performance, if I get 30-40+% better battery (from AMD, plus a cheaper laptop too if possible).
Judging by Dave's hair this video was definitely recorded on a monday... lol 😂
Any chance there is a HP Omen Transcend 16 review coming soon to compare to the MSI Stealth Studio 16? I think they both may fill similar niches and would love to hear your thoughts!
I'm not an expert, but something has always seemed very evident to me in different types of hardware: whenever possible we should avoid buying products that are very close to launches precisely to avoid poor optimization of the technology involved. I've always been a console gamer and never owned a gaming pc or laptop, but now being a Series X owner I'm quite leaning towards buying a laptop with the rtx 4070 because of DLSS3/FG.
Just keep in mind that right now DLSS 3.0 is supported only by a handful of games. Not only that, if you want to play any E-Sports titles, then keep in mind Frame Generatoon causes a quite significant amount of latency, so it's only good for those slower, plot-oriented singleplayer titles. RTX 4070 specifically is good for thin and light gaming/creator notebooks, like new AERO 16 or MSI Stealth lineup, but if you want best bang for a buck, I'd go for a bit chonkier last gen with RTX 3070Ti. Legion lineup was absolutely amazing a year ago!
You bought Xbox ?? 😅😂
@@bugbuster8598 oh yeah. I don't play multi-player titles, so latency is not crucial for me. Otherwise, a 60+fps in ultra settings is definitely something priority to my eyes.
@@boomfestival2023 sim, comprei. Gamepass é incrível.
@@bugbuster8598 Same thing was said about DLSS when it launched and now it's actually a really useful bit of tech to allow your hardware to be relevant longer. You're spot on about the use case for the laptop 4070, though - it's very obviously designed to have lower heat and power to allow itself to be fit into slim and small laptops while still providing a lot of oomph. The 4070 isn't the card to plug into your 4k monitor at home and use as a mobile desktop, but it body slams any previous midrange card at 100W or below.
Im thinking of replacing my 1080 pc to samsungs 4070 laptop, can you say if it'll be an upgrade in performance and how much?
If you really wanna get a laptop then get a 4080 one, more worth your money
I really hoped to get something in the ekosystem i use, but it might be the wise choice to go 4080
@@homophobesnotwelcomed2308 honestly im mostly looking for something i can do 3D work on, and some light gaming, not sure if that changes anything in this equation
Omg I just realized the intro sound effect is amazing I can't stop listening to it
1:35 is best graph I ever seen , awesome content
It’s not confusing. Nvidia simply shifted the stack downward. The 4070 is 3060 equivalent silicon. The 4090 is 3070ti equivalent silicon. The node performance uplift was so huge this generation that they shrank all the dies and named them the next thing up. 4070 is just the weird one where the performance delta is an overlap with the previous gen. That being said, getting more perf at 100W and below is pretty great, as laptop coolers have gotten obnoxiously loud in the RTX generation laptops. I’m waiting to see if the 7940hs/4070 combo in the Razer Blade 14” sees any significant uplift at 100W. Really tempted to pull the trigger on an open box 6900hx/3070ti model since they got upgraded to USB4 on the type-c ports.
I'd wait. 16 GB of RAM is now going to be a limit in modern games, so I'd wait for a 2023 upgrade or just go with another laptop.
@@cameronbosch1213 what games do you play that use more than 10GB RAM, I'm interested to know as I've never seen anything go upwards of that
Ide get the 3070t,i the 4070 will be twice the price and not much better on the gpu
4090 is not 3070ti equivalent
@@4-0-K Some are starting to recommend 32 GB as a minimum (not vRAM).
Miss you Dave 😢
hey Dave how you doing?
You haven't posted any videos lately so I'm just curious.
Am not able to find the stealth 16 inch with 4070 here in Canada. The website either lists the 4060 or the Mercedes Collab one
There's also the issue of the huge "3x performance at very low wattage" claims basically using DLSS with frame generation for the FPS numbers, which is a bit misleading as not everyone wants the loss in visual quality that seems to come with FG so far. They're seemingly detuning the raw performance in other applications (decrease in memory bandwidth, CUDA count) while trying to compensate with DLSS for FPS numbers, and I wouldn't be surprised if they are choosing not to enable FG on older RTX models to keep it as the main selling point for Ada. Not to mention that this is all coming with a price hike, and it seems like plenty of previous-gen models with a 3080/3080Ti or RX6800M/6850M XT can be found for a better price than many new models with a 4070 or even a 4060 (looking at you, Razer).
What?
Waited for the 4070 vids to start dropping aaaand...last night pulled the trigger on a 3070ti Lenovo Legion with amd 6800h, 16gb, 2tb. Felt good about $1499 price.
Did u use the 30% Cashback?
Hopefully you enjoy it! I have the 2021 17 inch with a 5800h and a 3060, and I am absolutely loving it!
@@dilip_1997 no, where can I find info on that? I did find a $50 "first time buyer" coupon (well,, the max is $100 off but only for orders above $2000) that I didn't see until the night after I ordered it, so I'm going to try to call and get that later today.
@@necrojoe i think it was on the capital one shopping app with lenovo!!!
nice, having a comparison between the new g14 and stealth 14 would be awesome
I've missed the closing video phrase! TY Dave
Glad to see Dave call out the lack of improvement of rtx 4070
For the first time, to me, there is more to life than lenovo and Asus. Would love to get that Stealth 16 Studio.
Don't do it!! I got an msi stealth and it was the biggest piece of junk and waste of money in my life. Completely fell apart. I loved msi pc parts, but I will never touch a laptop from them ever again. Save yourself the trouble from my experience!
@@dorrito Thanks for the warning!
Isn't acer decent as well?
You should take a look on new AERO 16 from Gigabyte, then.
I'd like to know where and how you got a pure white stealth studio. I want a white one so bad but can only find blue everywhere.
Where did you get those 4050 results?
Holy shi- ! The Studio 16 looks hella sexy, luv the white and gold colour scheme!
I currently have the ASUS Zephyrus M16 with i7-12700h and RTX 3060, it's quite loud though (I love silent mode when playing old games).
If MSI releases a similar/better looking 16inch studio/thin gaming laptop next GPU gen, I might switch to Team MSI next time I upgrade!
Just got a 3080 laptop, kinda think the cost/performance is a tad better. Also boi needs a haircut
did they really light up the stealth logo making it not stealth at all
Hello Dave,
Please I want to ask, I want to get a PC for creator work and designs, Adobe aftereffects and blender, I am considering Asus ROG Zephyrus M16 (2021) or G14 (2022), Which do you think is better?
im actually happy that u get a gpu with less power and more performance. im very nitpicky in termy of noise so when they restrict power consumptíon by default, their silent modes will actually be silent this time
With how easy it is to set fps and power limits, I don't get your point
People have to remember that the 4070 is actually a "4060". They've just changed the name so they can sell it for more money. The reason why it only has 8GB of VRAM is because it's using their low end silicon. You should compare the performance to the 3060, not the 3070.
I've been trying to find a place to buy the stealth 16 since I found out about it, but I can't seem to find it on any website. MSI customer service was completely unhelpful, and I'm not sure what to do now
There's a mistake with the Time Spy graphics score in your comparison of the 4 generations of MSI Stealth Evolution laptops. I think you meant Fire Strike Graphics. A 4090 is around 21K+ in Time Spy but your graph shows a 3070 PC beating it and even a 4070 scoring above 30K.
Finally. I was a bit disappointed how you ignored all the BS that Nvidia did with their notebook GPUs. Even the 3090 and 3080 have been badly named and did not relate to their desktop counterparts at all. Nvidia has been behaving scummier with each generation and they need to be punished by reviewers, buyers, regulators and consumer protection agencies for it.
AMD all the way
i think by now it is well know that a laptop card is equivalent to its desktop variant of the past generation or the next card in line of the desktop series.
eg laptop 4070 is euqal to desktop 4060 or 3070.
laptop 3080 is equal to desktop 3070 or 2080.
Nothing has changed, i dont c why you say they have been names badly. Nvidia has been a bunch of douches that much is true, but the performance and naming of the laptop cards is the least of it. If u ignore the 128 bit bus thing, the lower cuda cores than past generation, the slower memory bandwidth than the old generation, the 8gb of memory in a supposedly high end card, bad prices etc. just ignore the horror show of the specs and look at the bottom line, the user experience, if u just look at the performance in games, its not awesome, but not bad. it is as expected. with a nice discount come next christmass or black friday etc it may even be called a decent deal. The desktop cards are another sad story though.
@@WaaDokuCringe
@@sovietunion9131 AMD is still best value for the buck. And AMD CPUs have the advantage of being not as high-powered, hence they are better for portable usage in notebooks. What's cringe about that?
MSI proves the importance of logo design.
love your vids ❤
If any of you guys live near a micro center, there is an msi pulse 15 with 13700h/4070 for 1700 dollars. Its still expensive of course but thats much more reasonable than 2000+ from the other models. The only trade off is the screen is 1080p, but at that size the ppi is decent and you will be able to use 144hz across a wider variety of games.
I believe, or want to believe, that the RTX 4050 is the second best card in the whole lineup, if not the best, next to the 4090. Seems to have enough performance to blast any game at ultra settings 1080p and hold consistent 60fps without using DLSS. Why is that amazing? Well, think of the past xx50 cards. They where the medium settngs cards in cheap entry level laptops. Now those laptops, for hopefully the same price, enter "the PC experience" realm, where you can enjoy the graphics we PC gamers have a boner for, on an entrie level machine. I'd love to see some 4050 machines paired with intels new 1360U cpu, or any other low wattage cpu.
Fat batteries, slim chassies, good cooling, affordable. That's what i hope for 4050 laptops.
Some RUclipsrs have noticed stuttering issues on 4050 laptops though, I'd be more cautious.
This is MSI ad!
Nice. I like the white and black inside. Blue good also.
That saturation change though…i noticed Dave!
What I noticed with 4070 mobile lineup is that there is much starker difference in number of cores compared to 4080, then it was between 3070 and 3080.
While between 3070 and 3080, core count difference is 20% (5120 vs 7424), between 4070 and 4080 it is around 60% (4608 vs 7424). 4070 feels more like 3060 replacement then 3070 replacement. In fact, 3080 mobile has 60% more cores than 3060 mobile (3840 vs 7424).
Also RTX 4060 mobile has just 20% more core count than 4050. Feels more like 3050Ti replacement.
In short, what was originally 3050, 3050Ti, 3060, 3070 and 3080 product categories in mobile GPUs, seems to have been shifted to 4050, 4060, 4070, 4080, 4090. New 4070 is now mid-range, not high end GPU, like old 3070.
On the other hand, there is no anymore real replacement for lower TDP 3070 with 4000 series. Seems like only 4070 fills that gap, since there are no low TDP 4080 models at all.
But then, peformance difference between 4050 and lower TDP 4070 is a joke. No more then 30%. While between lower TDP 4070 and 4080 is whooping 50%.
It really feels we are missing lower TDP version of 4080 mobile in the market, as real replacement for lower TDP 3070/3080 for low profile laptops.
4070 laptops are a joke. 50% more expensive than a 3070 ti laptop for the same performance.
Can you make a review with all 14 inch laptops with rtx 40 series ? That would be awesome! Like you said, the gain with this generation is the size...size does matter ;)
Did u or will u be testing the 4070 on the asus m16
Love to see the performance on that 4070
Eagerly waiting for the 4050 & 4060. These are the more budget friendly, made for the masses products... & NVIDIA refuses to drop them & ensures their delay as much a as they possibly can... It's sad...
Dave looks like he needs some sleep 😂
Love your videos mate. There’s a reason you have 3.6M subs.
@6:10 i think the chart is mislabeled, you probably meant Firestrike Graphics...
Its a Trap. Its a 4060
Bro! That hairdo... I get you... I am lazy to get to my barber... n I have similar hair 🤣🤣
Hey Dave, it would be so cool to hear "It's been nice" again, I didn't hear that one for too long :)
@dave2d, Hope everything is alright? Missing your uploads 🥲
so these out yet? thinking about getting something simple like these for gopro edits
"thumbs if you liked it, subs if you loved it." Not heard that in a while! Was almost expecting Dave to end it by saying "it's been nice" to go fully old school.
If laptop 4090 is equivalent to desktop 4080, does same apply for 4070 laptop ?
All this benchmarks are with the laptop plugged in?
Do the GPUs last longer in the lower wattage devices?
Any thoughts about the entry level stealth 16 with 4060?
Dave's hair is getting wilder and wilder and I'm not complaining
Hey Dave.... Hope you are doing great as I haven't seen any new video on the channel for quite some time...