Yes! There is no magic pill that doesn't disable some important part of you. After losing my dog, my father in law, and my son in 6 months (all in shocking ways), I was put on antidepressants. They served to delay the grief cycle for 5 years before I realized that I needed the depression in order to heal. I could have taken those pills for the rest of my life at a cost of 150$ per month and my liver or kidneys. That's depressing. Time, compassion, hope, and self-worth was what I really needed but couldn't afford. Of course I was depressed! They should have been worried if I wasn't depressed.
Just today I listened to a neurologist talking of a study related to rats and their ability to play, and how rats born deaf aren’t able to pick up social cues that help them play with others. They played less, had less social ties, and ended up more aggressive than their peers. I was reminded of your current dive into this issue, and the connection between depression and aggression. It seems there’s a science behind it that goes deeper than just humans. I’m also reminded of an Alan Watts quote where he says (and I’m paraphrasing) “In a world of luxury, it is imperative we learn how to enjoy ourselves, or we will destroy ourselves.” That sort of quest takes more than just a chemical recalibration, which some people do need, but it’s more important to find a way to contend with reality that feels peaceful when it cannot feel enjoyable. So often our perspective of the chaotic outside world is a mirror for the instability we carry inside.
@@MrUppertorso Thankyou , keep learning its inspiring and insightful God bless you for sharing and keep you going , it is very sad that he was so smart and ended up hopeless and made this horrible decision, he could have been something great but something went wrong in his mind or heart
Anti depressants helped me but I didn’t start on them until I was almost thirty. In conjunction with talk therapy, I became more stable, confident and happy - and more social. At 52, I still take them, but at a relatively small dose
Thing is antidepressants only work if one has a particular chemical issue. They can be life saving for those with such issues. If they are prescribed in error, as is so often the case, then they can make matters worse. They will only have a numbing effect on those with that particular chemical response. We need greater understanding of individual response to drugs. That said humans are being isolated more and more and there is only one solution to that.
@@thedeleted117 Sorry, I just saw this. Yes, what @johnoneill7947 said and moreover not being divided. The few who run things for themselves have figured out humans can’t be controlled moving forward, due to the internet. They are doing everything in their power to divide us & create wars. We have to do everything in our power not to be divided.
The sting can cause lack of sleep and other issues that might interfere with one's ability to cope in this crazy world. I have taken antidepressants for years due to severe depression which runs in my family. It is but one component that has made it possible for me to function along with many other things of course that include; quality family time, exercise, nature, and artistic expression. Medication isn't the only treatment protocol of course and a pill shouldn't be utilized to fix a person as it doesn't. There is so much to the complex human being and there are a myriad of dynamics going on in our world that are contributing to the growing unhappiness and powerlessness. The treatment plan for a depressed individual needs way more ingredients than a mere pill and there needs to be changes in this selfish and greedy society in order for there to be positive change. Common sense should tell us that Crooks needed so much more than mere antidepressants to address his feelings of hopelessness. and insignificance. It is sad that Croo'k's life and another's ended due to Crook's desires to be visible and spoken about in death. This problem will continue to only worsen as there are massive cuts in mental health and very little attention being paid to this complex issue. For those out there who think depression has nothing to do with the growing violence in this culture...... do you think that a happy person who is well adjusted person who has a fulfilling life just suddenly decides that " Wow I am so happy and fulfilled I think that I am gong to acquire a weapon that can kill a lot of people, go out with a bang , and take a bunch of others with me." Common sense should tell us that there is clear discontent and inner turmoil going on in the hopeless and depressed individual.
True, like your comment but weather or not he was on some sort of psych med (or coming off one!) at the time is NOT insignificant. Many mass shooters were prescribed psych drugs... Anyone know the statistic?
I was married to a man who had bipolar and if he stopped taking the meds it would throw him into really strong mania. He would cry one second and laugh the next. It had to be horrible for him. He tried to overdose and spent a while in the hospital from there to the mental health hospital. Nothing worked. He hated how the meds made him feel . They actually like feeling all jacked up from the manic part of the bipolar. He didn't sleep. He was completely out of his mind. I figured why he was so messed up. He had been smoking pot with another bipolar friend of his. It was pure hell. All chemicals need to be removed from these people. They don't really understand chemicals and your body how it can react. Even an over load of caffeine can be a trigger. To keep this from messing you up plenty of exercise outside in the sunshine. And good real food and good quality vitamins and minerals.
That is absolutely true for some people, but not everyone. I have bipolar 3 (cyclothymia), and I now use cannabis as a mood stabilizer. It naturally lifts up the bottom by increasing serotonin which alleviates my anxiety and depression, but it also virtually cures my insomnia by helping me to relax enabling me sleep well. When I abstain, I get restless, anxious, hypo-manic (not hyper-manic or psychotic) with terrible insomnia. Cannabis (edibles being best) works for me, but it’s entirely up to the individual and their particular metabolism. With some people, alcohol, cannabis and other substances can do the opposite and trigger a psychotic episode. So, one needs to be careful and find what dose and medication, if any, most suits their specific metabolism. Do these medications have significant side effects? That’s always an important question. Do your own risk/benefit analysis. More research into mental health and how to improve it needs to be done. 🤔
There's something else - sudden withdrawal from anti-depressants can cause psychotic episodes, violent shaking, high anxiety and hallucinations. Prescribing anti-depressants is the cheap way to fix a problem. Therapy is needed in conjunction with the prescription and that I'm sorry to say, is unaffordable. The last I checked a counselor with a license to practice therapy is upwards of $140 a hour - and once a week sessions are recommended. Anti-depressants can help with chemical imbalances but they aren't the whole cure. In some instances it's a bandaid. And if you feel the need to rip the bandaid off, there is no inexpensive treatment or exit plan for withdrawal, at least one that isn't covered by your insurance. By the way I am not speaking from experience, but from someone who has loved ones who are being treated for anxiety and depression with medication as well as a former graduate student in psychology with a specialty and an interest in adolescent behavior. Thank you for your discussion on this topic. As I recall Elliot Rodger was prescribed Xanax and Prozac eventually switching to Paxil, then stopped taking it for a year before his rage expressed itself with a killing spree. Anyway, thanks.
Bravo Nick! I feel you're spot on here. Digging deep can be exhilarating, not easy, of course, but I believe that's where we find our true strong selves.
To be sober in every sense of the word is the only way to face and accept who you are. I've given up so much over the years and I've achieved clarity and peace. The younger generation need guidance and understanding not chemicals. Courage comes from within, we should all try and help someone who needs help to find theirs. Thanks Nick ❤
Having said that, I think many teenagers and young adults are sadly unaware that your 17- 22 year range tends to be the most dreadful when it comes to mental health because your mind is still developing and with that comes a lot of uncertainty, sense of not belonging and change that can have a really big impact. I can agree that perhaps in that year range it is essential that you have friends who can keep you in check. I wish more people understood that this is just a phase most people go through and no matter how much you think your life isn't worth living, it's not true and it gets better. I am about to hit my 30s and i'm kinda depressed about that more than anything, but it's nothing like how i felt back in my early 20s. It was way worse.
Nick I wanred to say thank you my sweet little dog is dying of cancer going to aend her to Rainbow bridge on monday.You have helped me through a really hard time ❤
I have an enlarged head myself.When I was 55, my mother admitted to shaking me when I was a baby.Have learning disability in math.My Irish twin sister has the IQ of a rocket scientist.Makes me wonder.
Hey from Scotland 🏴 Still listening to this channel. 👍 RUclips etc. is just pandemonium. I love the way he talks in this channel. So interesting and in depth. Yeah I have had my fair share of problems with depression and anti depressants. It really is a true problem. I am going out on a limb here, but I do feel a certain sympathy for Thomas Crooks. Sorry but I do. I know wot he has done is deplorable but I feel sorry for him and the bullying and isolation he suffered. I too have experienced this, all be it I didn’t go and shoot people, but I do agree with a theory that was in one of the previous videos. That Thomas maybe felt he was insignificant so he will go out of his life being significant. Who is to say wot a very unhappy, lonely and depressed person will so. Its all so sad actually.
I also feel a little bit of sympathy for him. He was so young, and I'm betting he was on meds. No disrespect towards anyone who needs meds! But my brother was on Welbutrin for 3 months, then did the unthinkable and deleted himself. He left a journal on his computer that explained how the meds effected him. But yeah, I'm pretty sure this guy was on meds, because it seems like most people are. And I do believe those side effects are real. I doubt he would have done this without the disinhibiting effect of meds. Also, the guy who ran over the Christmas parade in Wisconsin had a history of meds. It's tragic to think of people doing these things because of side effects of medication. What a waste.
@@hikingwiththedog6078 I am so sorry for wot happened to ur brother sweets. And the pain u and ur family must have endured. And probably still do. Yeah the meds can make u feel worse before u get better. And some meds just don’t agree with a person, yet they are dishes out like sweeties. Its a real worry ❤️
@@zombiefreek14 Almost everybody I know is on meds. I had an earache once, and the GP told me I might be depressed before he even looked in my ear. He told me depression causes earaches. I suppose he was getting kickbacks...sometimes doctors get rewards from pharma for how many prescriptions they pass out.
@@hikingwiththedog6078 well that does not surprise me at all 😂 Doctors can be pretty clueless! My surgery doesn’t even have one now. Its all Locums and they are rubbish. Terrible attitudes. 💔
I think the problem is that anti-depressants should only be short term for the vast majority of patients. Something to help a person get going, but the long term focus should be on understanding the root causes through therapy so that a person can learn to cope naturally. So many problems can be solved through such simple means. Having a healthy sleep schedule can do wonders for a person's mental and physical health. And that's just one example.
People taking antidepressants know it's MANDATORY to take breaks from them. Antidepressants strip your ability to be naturally happy, a bit like cocaine does.
You make some very good points. For my own anecdotal two cents, my anti-depressants helped me to deal reality rather than not having to. I was so depressed and anxious that I couldn't deal with anything. Once I got on anti-depressants, I felt well enough to face my traumas, get into therapy, and get onto the road to healing.
As I have gotten older, I found my circle of friends wane. People that I am glad they are gone. I am dealing with being alone, not entirely alone, I have one friend in town, but my woman left, and then she died, my guy friends turned out to be closet gay for me, my Parents died, and I am living a strange liberation now. The internet, i.e. RUclips helps me, socially.
@@ricktheexplorer You are not alone.I come from tremendous dysfunction and abuse.People may look down at "loners". Popularity rules.Nice guys finish last , often.If one is too nice, people think you don't respect yourself.
I am also alone. I had a full life but gradually over the years people dropped off, died, and dysfunctional relationships that were so toxic they had to end. Strangely, I too feel liberated, am not unhappy, and enjoy my daily living.
@@DiamondGirl333Same here. I’ve pared down my personal life to eliminate the most toxic people. Sad my best support are a few people I’ve met on social media.
One of the common threads that is not talked about with a lot of these young mass shooters here in the US is how many of them were diagnosed with autism or other psychological problems and had domineering mothers who thought they could be “fixed” or managed with medication. Adam Lanza and James Holmes are just two examples. I would not be surprised if this was the case here, especially considering the mom was a social worker.
Good point and one I was going to mention. Autistic people spend masses of time alone but it doesn't necessarily make them lonely. But, as Nick highlights, what that does to one's self esteem is difficult to measure. Interesting facts in that video re SSRI's.
I appreciate this series, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. However, it is probably thanks to YT algorithms from the JS case, why you appeared on my recommended page. So please don't worry too much about the numbers, the ones who are interested in *your* opinion n analysis', will still be here long after the JS case has stopped trending. I am one of those
I will weigh in as a child counselor. It is my main job to get young people to learn about, and use tools to deal with reality as is. It is my job to support kids in finding their strengths and use those to effect change. A lot of kids actually feel relieved when they find that their depression is actually a normal reaction to a crappy situation. I have also been blessed to work with psychiatrists whose mission it was to get the kids OFF medications.
To add: when young people realize that their depression or anxiety are reactions to situations, not some disease, they mobilize quickly and eagerly take up the challenge of engaging reality. This is especially true for traumatic situations.
Suffering is necessary to build strength of character and resilience. Numbing "pain" with pharmaceuticals does not make it go away just delays its effects or allows it to build up to critical mass. The Assyrians had a saying: hard times make strong men, times of plenty make weak men. Grief, dealing with deep psychological wounds cannot be salved by medication. Mining for gold, is how I would describe the trials and tribulations we undertake, the rewards far outstrip the disappointments. Self esteem and confidence is not always reliant on other people. Life is what you make of it.
Been finding the subject matter engaging and relevant to my experiences (and also lack there of). Can't wait for the next installment for Heuermann and Crooks! Thank you TCRS!
@sherriwilson2407 That doesn't account for anything really. Like another has pointed out, counsellors etc often follow the medical model; ie the person needs fixing rather than whatever is in a person's environment ie their support networks.
I’ve heard that SSRIs can have bad effects on young people. I’m trying to get off of Lexapro but the withdrawal is always too much for me. I think once I get past w/d my brain will eventually reach homeostasis and at that point I hope (and suspect) that my baseline will be fine. I was put on them over 20 years ago in my early 30s for sleep issues. I wish I’d never started!
All depression is situational, not chemical. Common symptoms are disturbed sleep, anxiety, and chronic deep fatigue. It can be met with good food, exercise, sunshine, relaxation. If your life sucks, depression is normal. It cannot be fixed with pills. You must either learn to reframe how you see your reality so that it becomes meaningful to you, or you have to make changes in your life. I would rather spend a week in a sunny new place in the winter if the winter blues are getting me down than start a trial of pills. If a vacation doesn't boost my energy and get me back on track, then I have to look at my job and my lifestyle to see what is making me so tired.
I’ve been depressed since childhood I’m glad I refused meds. I just think it’s my personality and I should just learn to deal. I was pressured to take Zoloft by counseling and my god it almost ruined the little bit of life I had. Never again. I gave away money, bought a total lemon for a car was excited about junk at second hand store and I mean literal junk. I couldn’t afford my med and in a week I woke up to a nightmare. And of course those counselors no where to be found. In the early 2000s it was trend that if you in counseling 6 mos and you say no to drugs they drop you. Come to find out my problem was a life of child abuse, then spouse abuse and trauma from narcissistic abuse- and of course learning disabilities and ladder a severe brain injury
His parents are Counselors AKA Psychologists not Psychiatrists so they DO NOT use medication in their therapy. Hence he probably could have benefited from antidepressants if under the care of a psychiatrist who is a medical doctor.
Thomas Crooks must have felt lost in the world. It is regrettable because he was bright and could have invented a bright future for himself. I look forward to hearing more about VVG at Team Peachtree. I really enjoy it so thank you.
I don't think Thomas Crooks was on antidepressants because I don't think he told any professionals how he was feeling, including his Counsellor parents.
I don’t know exactly where I stand on the issue of antidepressants. They helped me for a short time in my life but soon I couldn’t sleep anymore so I had to quit. Because of that, I know they can mess you up in one way or another.
I’m a fan of the channel who is listening to this with some trepidation. I understand meds have special implications and risks for young people; I absolutely get that. Nonetheless, for some people, meds are the difference between life and death. I’ve known someone who bid the world adieu after years of resisting the idea of meds, not helped by a loved one who said “But meds won’t fix your soul.” The idea that meds simply depress symptoms is a dangerous generalization. Sometimes meds lift a fog and let you be the person you really are. Often, I dare say usually, person taking meds is trying to get back to reality, not run from it.
Good analysis Nick. Psychiatric meds can save lives and end lives. Credible mental health providers frequently insist that patients participate in behavioral-cognitive therapy while taking medication. These meds were never intended to be a long term solution but patients often refuse talk therapy. Providers have no time to counsel the patient and usually just write a prescription. It’s a dangerous cycle.
Some people can handle being alone for a long time. Hell, some thrive in it, myself included. But good point i guess. But depression itself will NOT make you become violent. That's completely down to your self control.
The research findings are not hard to find on line. The 31 problematic meds are common ones. I don't think that doctors look this up or give it the proper weight in balancing treatment options.
yes, I learned antidepressants are only meant to stabilize people during a period of a severe depression. like any other drug they can’t take away the big questions and problems and the task to live a meaningful life.
His parents should know being in that field how their son was....they did call the police about their son being missing.... I'm thinking this was all kismet that it worked out for the shooter that he was undetectable until right before he was going to go through with his plan He didn't shoot the first cop that discovered him...he hurriedly shot at Trump sort of a HAIL MARY he was not a hunter so he probably had buck fever shaking uncontrollable hence shots all over the place...in his mind and heart he had to know feel his life was over from that point...
It depends on the nature and cause of the depression and anxiety. If it’s basically a chemical cause: e.g. Menopause, then chemical support helps hugely. Then again it needs to be the appropriate medication at the correct dose. I tried Citalopram years ago, for a short period, when I could feel it was different from my usual chronic depression. It just made me drowsy. I started on Sertraline last year during a horrific long-covid/anxiety spell, and I don’t have any side effects. I have other endocrine and cardiac issues, but starting on ADHD medication has helped hugely. It’s a chemical disorder, and the chemical management is helping put some order back.
Is it true that depressed people can become very creative as far as painting and poultry? I just thought I just made that observation. When my father-in-law died, I was very unhappy, very depressed, but I wrote a poem about his life that everybody wanted a copy of it.
I like you. One thing I can testify to, is that (aside from trauma caused) as the Bible says, sin dwells in us. And so because of this, we have guilt and guilt causes depression in our minds and it gets harder and harder to deal with it because the real root of it doesn't get dealt with- as you said- the medicine only dulls you- this I also know from experience. The answer? Jesus Himself. The great Physician. He drew me to Himself with "the cords of compassion". Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. James 4:7. Faith makes Reality real. Such is the friend we have in Jesus, who died to take away the Sin of the World. He says, "Come to Me, all those laboring and being burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, because I am meek and lowly in heart, "and you will find rest to your souls." Jer. 6:16 For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light. Mt. 11:28-30 💝👍🏻🙏✝️
We also know they effect the hippoampus which is often seen as the "self." Simply put, inhibitions have tthe potential to be vastly lowered. There are case such as women suddenly taking off thier clothes when a stranger winked at them or something similar. I have heard the hippocampus in young people today is already about 15% smaller than their pararents was at the same age. We have a future coming with no inhibitions - no filters. An npc world.
I usually identify with and appreciate your commentary. However, this evening you seem to demonstrate a striking misunderstanding of pharmacology in relation to mental health management.
@@TCRS No, you're not. I know people who are happy on their meds. But I also know of some bad outcomes, including my brother who passed on in a terrible way after 3 months of Welbutrin. Side effects are real, they should be taken more seriously.
@@TCRS is my understanding that people with chemical imbalances cannot function “normally” without medication. For those people, it is certainly not a copout to incorporate medication as part of their treatment. In fact, without medication, many chemically imbalanced individuals would be profoundly disadvantaged by their chemistry as they seek to deal with reality in a responsible way. I do not dispute that antidepressants seem to be over prescribed and certainly can dull reality in a crippling way.
So true about courage. I reckon kids they see their parents taking anti depressants and they think that's normal. His parents probably put him on them, seeing as they are part of the mental health industry. That's the thing about meds, there's someone selling them. It takes courage to take these brain altering drugs. Courage that could be used elsewhere.
Not all depression is the same. Some depression is driven by anxiety. Quiet the anxiety and the depression goes away and yes, your reality can become much more clear without the background noise. There is depression from true sadness like grief. Should you medicate grief? I guess that depends on how dibilitating it is. These kids are usually neurodivergent and are bullied and teased horribly. Some get PTSD from the abuse and some get angry and rageful. I work with kids that switch schools multiple times to escape bullying. An anti- depressant is definitely not going to fix this type of situation or a kid with a personality disorder. It may lessen the response though. Depression/anxiety can run in families and have a genetic componant. Sometimes everything is actually fine but you cant see it without meds because your brain is way to busy. Sorry, I think your using too broad of strokes on this one. Its not a one size fits all or is cut from the same pattern illness.
He was a very smart kid, a good student, who was working in a nursing home kitchen. Yet both his parents were trained professionals. They should have asked his guidance councilor about that. Why is this smart kid working in a kitchen?
Anti-depressants have their place, but I feel it should very much be a last resort for young, developing minds. Reality, or various forms of it must be very in your face for young people, they are exposed to so much more imagery and information than any other generation before them. From the facade that other people show themselves living their “best lives” on social media, to the consequences of global climate change, atrocities committed around the world etc… it’s all very much slap bang in their faces and must be overwhelming. Maybe understanding mental health and an openness to empathy need to make up a greater part of education for young people.
No I was on antidepressants for 19 years and other drugs and was addicted to I suffer from chronic migraines my neurologist gave me a shot that stays in your system for 30 days I had a allergic reaction to then I went off all medication then I went through withdrawals after that I talked to a friend she told me she thought I was dying if she would have said I wasn't acting like my old self I would have stopped taking the drugs drugs years earlier I still see the doctor but I only take drugs for pdsd and I only take them every 3 days so I don't get addicted to any medication😂😂😂
I’m looking forward to your show tomorrow on the Van Gogh letters. I am fascinated with his story and artwork and I love the connection you’re making!!
Being alone for a certain period would be really good for many. I'm pretty disappointed in your comment about conspiracy theories. YOU don't even know the number of bullets fired because nobody has that information right now.. so shut your mouth about something you know nothing about and let people think things out of the box. Thumps down
Yes sorry I haven't consumed the slop of conspiracy theories. I know how much you'd like to have sensible conversations about how 2 or 3 shooters all missed their target.
@@TCRS I’m actually on a diet. No slop for me, conspiracy theories or otherwise. The real story to be told here is the way the government propaganda controls the narrative. What do we objectivity know to be true or false regardless of propaganda or media spin? Not much. Maybe Re Tardy Oswald acted alone. He could have been groomed too, we don’t know.
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Yes! There is no magic pill that doesn't disable some important part of you.
After losing my dog, my father in law, and my son in 6 months (all in shocking ways), I was put on antidepressants. They served to delay the grief cycle for 5 years before I realized that I needed the depression in order to heal. I could have taken those pills for the rest of my life at a cost of 150$ per month and my liver or kidneys. That's depressing. Time, compassion, hope, and self-worth was what I really needed but couldn't afford.
Of course I was depressed! They should have been worried if I wasn't depressed.
Great comment, thank you.
you taking mind altering drugs over a dog?
@@riplucyburchell4071Over the loss of a child.
@@riplucyburchell4071 So?
@@riplucyburchell4071 Wow. That's what you got outta the comment? SMH
Thank you for this! So many are afraid to bring this up
Just today I listened to a neurologist talking of a study related to rats and their ability to play, and how rats born deaf aren’t able to pick up social cues that help them play with others. They played less, had less social ties, and ended up more aggressive than their peers. I was reminded of your current dive into this issue, and the connection between depression and aggression. It seems there’s a science behind it that goes deeper than just humans. I’m also reminded of an Alan Watts quote where he says (and I’m paraphrasing) “In a world of luxury, it is imperative we learn how to enjoy ourselves, or we will destroy ourselves.”
That sort of quest takes more than just a chemical recalibration, which some people do need, but it’s more important to find a way to contend with reality that feels peaceful when it cannot feel enjoyable. So often our perspective of the chaotic outside world is a mirror for the instability we carry inside.
@@MrUppertorso Thankyou , keep learning its inspiring and insightful
God bless you for sharing and keep you going , it is very sad that he was so smart and ended up hopeless and made this horrible decision, he could have been something great but something went wrong in his mind or heart
I am always watching and appreciate your work!!
Anti depressants have certainly helped me. You have to find the right one.
not really. dr's make no money telling you to fix your poor nutrition which causes 99% of it
Was laughed at when I was in basic training and being fitted for cap.!
99% of that is caused by poor nutrition , dr's make no money though telling to fix your diet
99.9% of the time its caused by poor nutrition but your dr makes no money from telling you eat right
What do you recommend
A very important analysis and well done! Thank you TCRS!
Anti depressants helped me but I didn’t start on them until I was almost thirty. In conjunction with talk therapy, I became more stable, confident and happy - and more social. At 52, I still take them, but at a relatively small dose
@@mattprince9204 They decreased my libido... Even in low dose. No way was I going to let that part of me be Dampened...
Thing is antidepressants only work if one has a particular chemical issue. They can be life saving for those with such issues. If they are prescribed in error, as is so often the case, then they can make matters worse. They will only have a numbing effect on those with that particular chemical response. We need greater understanding of individual response to drugs. That said humans are being isolated more and more and there is only one solution to that.
The solution being?..
@@thedeleted117just a guess: don't be socially isolated.
@@thedeleted117 Sorry, I just saw this. Yes, what @johnoneill7947 said and moreover not being divided. The few who run things for themselves have figured out humans can’t be controlled moving forward, due to the internet. They are doing everything in their power to divide us & create wars. We have to do everything in our power not to be divided.
The sting can cause lack of sleep and other issues that might interfere with one's ability to cope in this crazy world. I have taken antidepressants for years due to severe depression which runs in my family. It is but one component that has made it possible for me to function along with many other things of course that include; quality family time, exercise, nature, and artistic expression. Medication isn't the only treatment protocol of course and a pill shouldn't be utilized to fix a person as it doesn't. There is so much to the complex human being and there are a myriad of dynamics going on in our world that are contributing to the growing unhappiness and powerlessness. The treatment plan for a depressed individual needs way more ingredients than a mere pill and there needs to be changes in this selfish and greedy society in order for there to be positive change. Common sense should tell us that Crooks needed so much more than mere antidepressants to address his feelings of hopelessness. and insignificance. It is sad that Croo'k's life and another's ended due to Crook's desires to be visible and spoken about in death. This problem will continue to only worsen as there are massive cuts in mental health and very little attention being paid to this complex issue.
For those out there who think depression has nothing to do with the growing violence in this culture...... do you think that a happy person who is well adjusted person who has a fulfilling life just suddenly decides that " Wow I am so happy and fulfilled I think that I am gong to acquire a weapon that can kill a lot of people, go out with a bang , and take a bunch of others with me." Common sense should tell us that there is clear discontent and inner turmoil going on in the hopeless and depressed individual.
Well said.
Thank🤠 you!
True, like your comment but weather or not he was on some sort of psych med (or coming off one!) at the time is NOT insignificant. Many mass shooters were prescribed psych drugs... Anyone know the statistic?
Well said.
I feel for this child deeply .
He lost a life that was promising .
But he never knew it himself .
I was married to a man who had bipolar and if he stopped taking the meds it would throw him into really strong mania. He would cry one second and laugh the next. It had to be horrible for him. He tried to overdose and spent a while in the hospital from there to the mental health hospital. Nothing worked. He hated how the meds made him feel . They actually like feeling all jacked up from the manic part of the bipolar. He didn't sleep. He was completely out of his mind. I figured why he was so messed up. He had been smoking pot with another bipolar friend of his. It was pure hell. All chemicals need to be removed from these people. They don't really understand chemicals and your body how it can react. Even an over load of caffeine can be a trigger. To keep this from messing you up plenty of exercise outside in the sunshine. And good real food and good quality vitamins and minerals.
That is absolutely true for some people, but not everyone. I have bipolar 3 (cyclothymia), and I now use cannabis as a mood stabilizer. It naturally lifts up the bottom by increasing serotonin which alleviates my anxiety and depression, but it also virtually cures my insomnia by helping me to relax enabling me sleep well. When I abstain, I get restless, anxious, hypo-manic (not hyper-manic or psychotic) with terrible insomnia. Cannabis (edibles being best) works for me, but it’s entirely up to the individual and their particular metabolism. With some people, alcohol, cannabis and other substances can do the opposite and trigger a psychotic episode. So, one needs to be careful and find what dose and medication, if any, most suits their specific metabolism. Do these medications have significant side effects? That’s always an important question. Do your own risk/benefit analysis. More research into mental health and how to improve it needs to be done. 🤔
@lindaglover Don't forget staying hydrated drinking water =)
There's something else - sudden withdrawal from anti-depressants can cause psychotic episodes, violent shaking, high anxiety and hallucinations. Prescribing anti-depressants is the cheap way to fix a problem. Therapy is needed in conjunction with the prescription and that I'm sorry to say, is unaffordable. The last I checked a counselor with a license to practice therapy is upwards of $140 a hour - and once a week sessions are recommended. Anti-depressants can help with chemical imbalances but they aren't the whole cure. In some instances it's a bandaid. And if you feel the need to rip the bandaid off, there is no inexpensive treatment or exit plan for withdrawal, at least one that isn't covered by your insurance. By the way I am not speaking from experience, but from someone who has loved ones who are being treated for anxiety and depression with medication as well as a former graduate student in psychology with a specialty and an interest in adolescent behavior. Thank you for your discussion on this topic. As I recall Elliot Rodger was prescribed Xanax and Prozac eventually switching to Paxil, then stopped taking it for a year before his rage expressed itself with a killing spree. Anyway, thanks.
I'm coming off anti depressants so that I change things in my life that will make me happy naturally
Wishing you the best!
Bravo Nick! I feel you're spot on here. Digging deep can be exhilarating, not easy, of course, but I believe that's where we find our true strong selves.
To be sober in every sense of the word is the only way to face and accept who you are. I've given up so much over the years and I've achieved clarity and peace. The younger generation need guidance and understanding not chemicals. Courage comes from within, we should all try and help someone who needs help to find theirs.
Thanks Nick ❤
Having said that, I think many teenagers and young adults are sadly unaware that your 17- 22 year range tends to be the most dreadful when it comes to mental health because your mind is still developing and with that comes a lot of uncertainty, sense of not belonging and change that can have a really big impact. I can agree that perhaps in that year range it is essential that you have friends who can keep you in check. I wish more people understood that this is just a phase most people go through and no matter how much you think your life isn't worth living, it's not true and it gets better. I am about to hit my 30s and i'm kinda depressed about that more than anything, but it's nothing like how i felt back in my early 20s. It was way worse.
Nick I wanred to say thank you my sweet little dog is dying of cancer going to aend her to Rainbow bridge on monday.You have helped me through a really hard time ❤
So sorry to hear that. Shame it must be so hard, thinking of you.
So sorry. Your baby has a wonderful person that loves and cares about them. I'm sure they know it. Til you meet your little friend again. Hugs.
I appreciate you I love you very much thank you God bless .Please kiss Timmy for me 💞🙏
@@damnlimpnickis509Thank you so much yes rainbow bridge ❤️
I have an enlarged head myself.When I was 55, my mother admitted to shaking me when I was a baby.Have learning disability in math.My Irish twin sister has the IQ of a rocket scientist.Makes me wonder.
Said if abortion was legal she wouldn't have all us kids.
I knew a girl w. a small hair.Her mom was a drunk and shook her .
@RhondaLange-w5j how many children did she have. My Mom had 7 she was overwhelmed and we were neglected, no favorites. I'm 70 years old.
Yes 🙌
Hey from Scotland 🏴 Still listening to this channel. 👍 RUclips etc. is just pandemonium. I love the way he talks in this channel. So interesting and in depth. Yeah I have had my fair share of problems with depression and anti depressants. It really is a true problem. I am going out on a limb here, but I do feel a certain sympathy for Thomas Crooks. Sorry but I do. I know wot he has done is deplorable but I feel sorry for him and the bullying and isolation he suffered. I too have experienced this, all be it I didn’t go and shoot people, but I do agree with a theory that was in one of the previous videos. That Thomas maybe felt he was insignificant so he will go out of his life being significant. Who is to say wot a very unhappy, lonely and depressed person will so. Its all so sad actually.
I also feel a little bit of sympathy for him. He was so young, and I'm betting he was on meds. No disrespect towards anyone who needs meds! But my brother was on Welbutrin for 3 months, then did the unthinkable and deleted himself. He left a journal on his computer that explained how the meds effected him. But yeah, I'm pretty sure this guy was on meds, because it seems like most people are. And I do believe those side effects are real. I doubt he would have done this without the disinhibiting effect of meds. Also, the guy who ran over the Christmas parade in Wisconsin had a history of meds. It's tragic to think of people doing these things because of side effects of medication. What a waste.
@@hikingwiththedog6078 I am so sorry for wot happened to ur brother sweets. And the pain u and ur family must have endured. And probably still do. Yeah the meds can make u feel worse before u get better. And some meds just don’t agree with a person, yet they are dishes out like sweeties. Its a real worry ❤️
@@zombiefreek14 Almost everybody I know is on meds. I had an earache once, and the GP told me I might be depressed before he even looked in my ear. He told me depression causes earaches. I suppose he was getting kickbacks...sometimes doctors get rewards from pharma for how many prescriptions they pass out.
@@hikingwiththedog6078 well that does not surprise me at all 😂 Doctors can be pretty clueless! My surgery doesn’t even have one now. Its all Locums and they are rubbish. Terrible attitudes. 💔
@@zombiefreek14 I understand. I wish you the best of health over there in beautiful Scotland!! :)
I think the problem is that anti-depressants should only be short term for the vast majority of patients. Something to help a person get going, but the long term focus should be on understanding the root causes through therapy so that a person can learn to cope naturally. So many problems can be solved through such simple means. Having a healthy sleep schedule can do wonders for a person's mental and physical health. And that's just one example.
People taking antidepressants know it's MANDATORY to take breaks from them. Antidepressants strip your ability to be naturally happy, a bit like cocaine does.
Vitamin D deficiency is another especially as more and more young people are spending time indoors on devices etc
@@missiles226 Excellent point. My life changed when I started taking Vitamin D. I suffered for 40 years..my entire life...until I tried D.
You make some very good points. For my own anecdotal two cents, my anti-depressants helped me to deal reality rather than not having to. I was so depressed and anxious that I couldn't deal with anything. Once I got on anti-depressants, I felt well enough to face my traumas, get into therapy, and get onto the road to healing.
Thanks!
Welcome!
As I have gotten older, I found my circle of friends wane. People that I am glad they are gone. I am dealing with being alone, not entirely alone, I have one friend in town, but my woman left, and then she died, my guy friends turned out to be closet gay for me, my Parents died, and I am living a strange liberation now. The internet, i.e. RUclips helps me, socially.
@@ricktheexplorer You are not alone.I come from tremendous dysfunction and abuse.People may look down at "loners". Popularity rules.Nice guys finish last , often.If one is too nice, people think you don't respect yourself.
I am also alone. I had a full life but gradually over the years people dropped off, died, and dysfunctional relationships that were so toxic they had to end. Strangely, I too feel liberated, am not unhappy, and enjoy my daily living.
@@DiamondGirl333Same here. I’ve pared down my personal life to eliminate the most toxic people. Sad my best support are a few people I’ve met on social media.
@@FloraDubya I understand. Feel free to count me in too.
One of the common threads that is not talked about with a lot of these young mass shooters here in the US is how many of them were diagnosed with autism or other psychological problems and had domineering mothers who thought they could be “fixed” or managed with medication. Adam Lanza and James Holmes are just two examples. I would not be surprised if this was the case here, especially considering the mom was a social worker.
Good point and one I was going to mention. Autistic people spend masses of time alone but it doesn't necessarily make them lonely. But, as Nick highlights, what that does to one's self esteem is difficult to measure. Interesting facts in that video re SSRI's.
I appreciate this series, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
However, it is probably thanks to YT algorithms from the JS case, why you appeared on my recommended page. So please don't worry too much about the numbers, the ones who are interested in *your* opinion n analysis', will still be here long after the JS case has stopped trending. I am one of those
Me too.
I will weigh in as a child counselor. It is my main job to get young people to learn about, and use tools to deal with reality as is. It is my job to support kids in finding their strengths and use those to effect change.
A lot of kids actually feel relieved when they find that their depression is actually a normal reaction to a crappy situation.
I have also been blessed to work with psychiatrists whose mission it was to get the kids OFF medications.
To add: when young people realize that their depression or anxiety are reactions to situations, not some disease, they mobilize quickly and eagerly take up the challenge of engaging reality. This is especially true for traumatic situations.
Thanks for sharing, Anita.
Suffering is necessary to build strength of character and resilience. Numbing "pain" with pharmaceuticals does not make it go away just delays its effects or allows it to build up to critical mass. The Assyrians had a saying: hard times make strong men, times of plenty make weak men. Grief, dealing with deep psychological wounds cannot be salved by medication. Mining for gold, is how I would describe the trials and tribulations we undertake, the rewards far outstrip the disappointments. Self esteem and confidence is not always reliant on other people. Life is what you make of it.
I just read your book Slaughter. It makes perfect sense. But it’s also one of the most emotionally difficult things I’ve read in a long time.
Been finding the subject matter engaging and relevant to my experiences (and also lack there of).
Can't wait for the next installment for Heuermann and Crooks! Thank you TCRS!
Good Afternoon 🙂
His parents are both counselors.
IKR. I want to hear more about his home life and what these parents have to say for themselves.
@sherriwilson2407 That doesn't account for anything really. Like another has pointed out, counsellors etc often follow the medical model; ie the person needs fixing rather than whatever is in a person's environment ie their support networks.
I’ve heard that SSRIs can have bad effects on young people. I’m trying to get off of Lexapro but the withdrawal is always too much for me. I think once I get past w/d my brain will eventually reach homeostasis and at that point I hope (and suspect) that my baseline will be fine. I was put on them over 20 years ago in my early 30s for sleep issues. I wish I’d never started!
All depression is situational, not chemical. Common symptoms are disturbed sleep, anxiety, and chronic deep fatigue. It can be met with good food, exercise, sunshine, relaxation. If your life sucks, depression is normal. It cannot be fixed with pills. You must either learn to reframe how you see your reality so that it becomes meaningful to you, or you have to make changes in your life. I would rather spend a week in a sunny new place in the winter if the winter blues are getting me down than start a trial of pills. If a vacation doesn't boost my energy and get me back on track, then I have to look at my job and my lifestyle to see what is making me so tired.
I’ve been depressed since childhood I’m glad I refused meds. I just think it’s my personality and I should just learn to deal. I was pressured to take Zoloft by counseling and my god it almost ruined the little bit of life I had. Never again. I gave away money, bought a total lemon for a car was excited about junk at second hand store and I mean literal junk. I couldn’t afford my med and in a week I woke up to a nightmare. And of course those counselors no where to be found. In the early 2000s it was trend that if you in counseling 6 mos and you say no to drugs they drop you. Come to find out my problem was a life of child abuse, then spouse abuse and trauma from narcissistic abuse- and of course learning disabilities and ladder a severe brain injury
Re: the declaration that all depression is situational, I would urge readers to use the critical thinking skills Nick advocates.
His parents are Counselors AKA Psychologists not Psychiatrists so they DO NOT use medication in their therapy. Hence he probably could have benefited from antidepressants if under the care of a psychiatrist who is a medical doctor.
So your takeout was the opposite of the intended message - give antidepressants to young people.
@@TCRS counselors are not psychologists either...their certification is different...I believe they were school counselors
@@lynnhubbard844 agree. however, your comment ought to be aimed at @RDnAC and not @TCRS because the latter didn't make the comment.
I appreciate your videos very much.
Thomas Crooks must have felt lost in the world. It is regrettable because he was bright and could have invented a bright future for himself. I look forward to hearing more about VVG at Team Peachtree. I really enjoy it so thank you.
Anti depressants made me highly gullible, sleepy and vulnerable I didn’t even notice until I was off them!
I don't think Thomas Crooks was on antidepressants because I don't think he told any professionals how he was feeling, including his Counsellor parents.
Here for it, Nick.
Great video , thanks for your hard work.
I don’t know exactly where I stand on the issue of antidepressants. They helped me for a short time in my life but soon I couldn’t sleep anymore so I had to quit. Because of that, I know they can mess you up in one way or another.
I’m a fan of the channel who is listening to this with some trepidation. I understand meds have special implications and risks for young people; I absolutely get that. Nonetheless, for some people, meds are the difference between life and death. I’ve known someone who bid the world adieu after years of resisting the idea of meds, not helped by a loved one who said “But meds won’t fix your soul.” The idea that meds simply depress symptoms is a dangerous generalization. Sometimes meds lift a fog and let you be the person you really are. Often, I dare say usually, person taking meds is trying to get back to reality, not run from it.
Why is being anti social a problem? I am so antisocial and I’m very happy 😮😅♥️
Crime is antisocial. Also, we are social animals, so being properly socialized is good for us.
Thanks for this Video referring to antidepressants ❤ Greets from europe
Good analysis Nick. Psychiatric meds can save lives and end lives. Credible mental health providers frequently insist that patients participate in behavioral-cognitive therapy while taking medication. These meds were never intended to be a long term solution but patients often refuse talk therapy. Providers have no time to counsel the patient and usually just write a prescription. It’s a dangerous cycle.
Some people can handle being alone for a long time. Hell, some thrive in it, myself included. But good point i guess. But depression itself will NOT make you become violent. That's completely down to your self control.
I have been hearing about this "young shooters and drugs connection" for a long time. Maybe twenty years, I don't know.
The research findings are not hard to find on line. The 31 problematic meds are common ones. I don't think that doctors look this up or give it the proper weight in balancing treatment options.
Yeah let's feel bad for him 👍
Not too long ago there was a study I came upon that said that depression isn't caused by a "chemical imbalance in the Brain."
I'll find it and post.
yes, I learned antidepressants are only meant to stabilize people during a period of a severe depression. like any other drug they can’t take away the big questions and problems and the task to live a meaningful life.
His parents should know being in that field how their son was....they did call the police about their son being missing....
I'm thinking this was all kismet that it worked out for the shooter that he was undetectable until right before he was going to go through with his plan
He didn't shoot the first cop that discovered him...he hurriedly shot at Trump sort of a HAIL MARY he was not a hunter so he probably had buck fever shaking uncontrollable hence shots all over the place...in his mind and heart he had to know feel his life was over from that point...
It depends on the nature and cause of the depression and anxiety. If it’s basically a chemical cause: e.g. Menopause, then chemical support helps hugely.
Then again it needs to be the appropriate medication at the correct dose. I tried Citalopram years ago, for a short period, when I could feel it was different from my usual chronic depression. It just made me drowsy. I started on Sertraline last year during a horrific long-covid/anxiety spell, and I don’t have any side effects.
I have other endocrine and cardiac issues, but starting on ADHD medication has helped hugely. It’s a chemical disorder, and the chemical management is helping put some order back.
Is it true that depressed people can become very creative as far as painting and poultry? I just thought I just made that observation. When my father-in-law died, I was very unhappy, very depressed, but I wrote a poem about his life that everybody wanted a copy of it.
I like you. One thing I can testify to, is that (aside from trauma caused) as the Bible says, sin dwells in us. And so because of this, we have guilt and guilt causes depression in our minds and it gets harder and harder to deal with it because the real root of it doesn't get dealt with- as you said- the medicine only dulls you- this I also know from experience.
The answer? Jesus Himself. The great Physician. He drew me to Himself with "the cords of compassion".
Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. James 4:7.
Faith makes Reality real.
Such is the friend we have in Jesus, who died to take away the Sin of the World.
He says, "Come to Me, all those laboring and being burdened, and I will give you rest.
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, because I am meek and lowly in heart, "and you will find rest to your souls." Jer. 6:16
For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light.
Mt. 11:28-30
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We also know they effect the hippoampus which is often seen as the "self." Simply put, inhibitions have tthe potential to be vastly lowered. There are case such as women suddenly taking off thier clothes when a stranger winked at them or something similar. I have heard the hippocampus in young people today is already about 15% smaller than their pararents was at the same age. We have a future coming with no inhibitions - no filters. An npc world.
Great review as always, greetings from Slovakia.
Hey, thanks!
SSRI's are great.
Your channel has long ago earned respect.
Thanks! 😃
I usually identify with and appreciate your commentary. However, this evening you seem to demonstrate a striking misunderstanding of pharmacology in relation to mental health management.
Well I - I guess I'm out of my league here.
@@TCRS No, you're not. I know people who are happy on their meds. But I also know of some bad outcomes, including my brother who passed on in a terrible way after 3 months of Welbutrin. Side effects are real, they should be taken more seriously.
@@hikingwiththedog6078 Sorry about your brother.
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@@TCRS is my understanding that people with chemical imbalances cannot function “normally” without medication. For those people, it is certainly not a copout to incorporate medication as part of their treatment. In fact, without medication, many chemically imbalanced individuals would be profoundly disadvantaged by their chemistry as they seek to deal with reality in a responsible way. I do not dispute that antidepressants seem to be over prescribed and certainly can dull reality in a crippling way.
So true about courage. I reckon kids they see their parents taking anti depressants and they think that's normal. His parents probably put him on them, seeing as they are part of the mental health industry. That's the thing about meds, there's someone selling them. It takes courage to take these brain altering drugs. Courage that could be used elsewhere.
You and Pat Brown are wonderful.
Not all depression is the same. Some depression is driven by anxiety. Quiet the anxiety and the depression goes away and yes, your reality can become much more clear without the background noise.
There is depression from true sadness like grief. Should you medicate grief? I guess that depends on how dibilitating it is.
These kids are usually neurodivergent and are bullied and teased horribly. Some get PTSD from the abuse and some get angry and
rageful. I work with kids that switch schools multiple times to escape bullying. An anti- depressant is definitely not going to fix this type of situation or a kid with a personality disorder. It may lessen the response though.
Depression/anxiety can run in families and have a genetic componant. Sometimes everything is actually fine but you cant see it without meds because your brain is way to busy.
Sorry, I think your using too broad of strokes on this one.
Its not a one size fits all or is cut from the same pattern illness.
He was a very smart kid, a good student, who was working in a nursing home kitchen. Yet both his parents were trained professionals. They should have asked his guidance councilor about that. Why is this smart kid working in a kitchen?
Anti-depressants have their place, but I feel it should very much be a last resort for young, developing minds. Reality, or various forms of it must be very in your face for young people, they are exposed to so much more imagery and information than any other generation before them. From the facade that other people show themselves living their “best lives” on social media, to the consequences of global climate change, atrocities committed around the world etc… it’s all very much slap bang in their faces and must be overwhelming. Maybe understanding mental health and an openness to empathy need to make up a greater part of education for young people.
Courage? Not even. Enough alcohol, weed or drugs can make even a mouse roar!
TCRS = True Crime Rocket Science OR Thomas Crooks Reality Sucks.
Carry on living with family that doesn't see you?
No I was on antidepressants for 19 years and other drugs and was addicted to I suffer from chronic migraines my neurologist gave me a shot that stays in your system for 30 days I had a allergic reaction to then I went off all medication then I went through withdrawals after that I talked to a friend she told me she thought I was dying if she would have said I wasn't acting like my old self I would have stopped taking the drugs drugs years earlier I still see the doctor but I only take drugs for pdsd and I only take them every 3 days so I don't get addicted to any medication😂😂😂
To me, he has an oddly shaped head.Wonder if he had hydrocephalus or something
Behave u dope
Bingo
I’m looking forward to your show tomorrow on the Van Gogh letters. I am fascinated with his story and artwork and I love the connection you’re making!!
Tomorrow!
Was he an only child?
Is there one topic you are not an expert on😂
There are no Vincent Van Goghs in todays world. His stamina, resilience, bravery, determination and spirit of sacrifice, don’t exist in man anymore.
I think they do. You're just not going to hear about these people because they are not in the media nor are they posting their stories on Instagram.
So true. 🤔 👍
Admire your mind.
No they don't I'm on 300mg of venlafaxine a day and it does fa just additive
This is brilliant Nick
Frustration
Being alone for a certain period would be really good for many. I'm pretty disappointed in your comment about conspiracy theories. YOU don't even know the number of bullets fired because nobody has that information right now.. so shut your mouth about something you know nothing about and let people think things out of the box. Thumps down
Interesting analyses. Of course it’s based on first consuming the slop fed through the media narrative. Very British.
Yes sorry I haven't consumed the slop of conspiracy theories. I know how much you'd like to have sensible conversations about how 2 or 3 shooters all missed their target.
@@TCRS I’m actually on a diet. No slop for me, conspiracy theories or otherwise. The real story to be told here is the way the government propaganda controls the narrative. What do we objectivity know to be true or false regardless of propaganda or media spin? Not much.
Maybe Re Tardy Oswald acted alone. He could have been groomed too, we don’t know.