Older LED vs OLED | There's Still a Place for LED TV's
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- Опубликовано: 20 янв 2022
- It's time to talk about tvs. OLED and LED have their strengths and weaknesses... but the led has a distinct hdr impact that oled still can't match. It all comes down to it... contrast and black levels, or pure brightness and hdr pop?
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Thats right! I've got a 930e that gets compliments ALL THE TIME! "Damn that's a good picture. What tv is that?"
@@ymmij1973 it's still a fantastic panel. And it's extremely flexible! You can crank it or turn down the brightness a smidge for better blacks
Im still rocking my Sony x930e😋
It's still a great panel!
Thanks for video and i am feeling you.
X930E never getting old even five years later..
I have LG C1 OLED and X930E i need to say,i am more enjoying x930e than lg oled.
There are definitely aspects of the OLED I like more, but yeah... I miss the 930e HDR quality. It's nice not worrying about abl and what not
Im literally watching this vid on my 930e ! Love my A90J too though
I'm in the same boat. Both are so great for different reasons
X930e is still an absolutely stunning TV I do find it amazing how it seems sony went back to that 2016-2017 look a bit which I'm absolutely in love with. Of course with its improvemtns but there is a reason 2016-2017 was so good for sony. Now for me I'm not into crazy brightness I only was for a short time. I prefer that oled image even during the brighter scenes just to my eyes. I prefer that deeper/darker look but for me the a90j is the perfect sweet spot for me. I'm actually going to miss this type of oled later. I don't even use my a90j like that. But I will say for people that want that just use brightness preffered and things or even contrast enhancements which sony seems to be pushing for 2022 as if they actually want us to use it. We shall see though. Of course led will always win in full screen brightness it will win in those type of scenes but luckily I'm so happy with how it shows scenes. Also this yesr we are going to see the master drive coming back from the z9d so the z9k will have it yay. Also the x95k led is going to be great since it will be mini led. Think about sony processing and there algorithm with such few zones now they will have those zones so I want you to check out the x95k.
Those panels just felt like a full effort by Sony. The 900e was a Stellar panel and it felt like Sony was taking their stride in the tv market. to this day I still turn the 930e on and just gawk at hdr content
@@SpencersStuffTV wait until this year. Master drive is back with mini led though. With sony control over zones and algorithm I can't wait to see what they can do with the z9k also the x95k will have more zones finally and mini led so I can't wait to see it. This is the year for sony led tvs I can alsmot promise you that. Me I love my oled image even next to brighter led tvs but that's my preference I do know the benefits of led also though and would never say oh get an oled over led if you like led. If you like led go for it. I do believe these new led tvs this year from sony will be something else. I at least want to test the x95k haha. Also I'm not one to push only accuracy I want people to use there tvs they want to me sometimes I add to my image.
@@reviewforthetube6485 I wish I could go to a showroom to see the new z9k. The z series is still my dream tv. I think the backlight master drive making it's comeback will set the mini led industry straight. After the backlight master drive on the z9d and then the 930 series pushing, Samsung finally woke up and realized they needed to make some changes. I can only imagine the zone control on a Sony mini led tv 😍
I 100% agree with you. I love both technologies. I love my 75” qn900a. It’s stunning! and i am going to go with a 65 a90j for the darker room with more light control.
That's definitely the way to go! I'm happy some people can see both technologies for their strengths
@@SpencersStuffTV I think a lot of it has to do with the amount of subpar LEDs that came out after those 2017 Sonys that rubbed people the wrong way. I’m excited to see what the future holds with miniled as well as qd-oled.
@@SD71232 I agree. I think after 2017 everything cheapened... Although maybe not the processors. I'm happy to see some growth though and development continue. I hear Samsung's microled is breathtaking
@@SpencersStuffTV yeah I’m sure the Microled is insane but we are a generation away from that technology. Minimum. Mini led and qd-oled is the upcoming generation for the next 5 or 6 years that’s going to replace woled and fald.
@@SD71232 2025 is when I expect we will see qned and microled. I don't think it's 5 or 6 years. Both Sony and Samsung have working models of microled and they're shrinking every year. At this point it's down to affordable manufacturing
I have an lg oled c9 next to a 75in qn90a and the qn90a is on another level seriously, I can't go back to buying another oled until they get as bright as leds..qn90a has oled blacks with light cannon brightness are saturation
I'm happy we have other led junkies in here haha. The a90j was a good bridge tv for me, but my end goal will end up with qned or microled when that hits. The feeling of the light cannon on hdr content creates a depth that an OLED cannot match. It's gorgeous when a tv can reproduce the highlights as intended without tone mapping
Good video. I'm on the fence from moving on from my z9f master series to a a80j oled. Z9f is bright and all around great tv. Idk on the fence for oled some days I want one others I feel like keeping my z9f.
I was in that boat as well when I grabbed the a90j. I had never owned an OLED. It looks like the a90j is getting a price drop soon and could be a good move for you as opposed to the new panels this year... I don't know. Like I said in the video, both technologies have their perks. The depth by oled is unmatched but the HDR impact on a solid led tv cannot be touched by oled. I would take a look at what you regularly consume for content. If you have alot of bright content and with heavy hdr elements, stick with the z9f. I would also wait and see what the z9k is doing this year. The mini led with the backlight master drive could be gamechanging
@@SpencersStuffTV thanks!
@@SpencersStuffTV do you notice a big difference in picture quality gaming on the oled compared to the 930e????
@@jayjustgames1725 the faster pixel response on the OLED was noticeable for me. I know the x930e has an extremely slow pixel response. Besides that the contrast and colors were the main draw. I felt more immersed by the content. ABL did kick in several times in sports games though which I wasn't too thrilled about.
@michigan1777 ended up ordering the Sony A80J , gonna compare it to my Sony Z9F next week when it comes! Thanks for the feedback.
I still have a 55" sony 930e as well and It was one of the last panels made from 2018. Its also a very clean panel as well. My questions for you as I am Going to get another Oled(as the CX didnt cut it and gave it to my folks). For gaming in SDR games with the PS5 how does the brightness compare in game for full picture APL level?? I know the 930e can put out alot of brightness But Id like to know how you felt and feel with the a90J sdr gaming? Where you surprised at how bright it was, did it leave you wanting more brightness or did you just say to yourself this is not what you expected and at that moment had buyers remorse? I also ask because the Sony A95k isnt going to be much brighter if the rumors are true. Im a Sony Processing fan always have been but the Samsung S95b has been looking very tempting. Still some things its gotta work out and the recent patch did end up lowering the amount of brightness so not sure on the samsung. Just would really like to hear your thoughts since you went from a 930e to a A90j. thanks
All in all I've been happier with the colors and contrast from the oled. And for gaming the pixel response is alot better. In terms of brightness though, there are times abl kicks in still and it ruins HDR/sdr gaming. If the content youre playing is varied, you'll be fine, but if it's sports games or the game has alot of static images on screen, it tends to kick in. All in all besides sports games and Gran Turismo to an extent, the TV's have been great. I do very much miss the sustained brightness of the 930e for gaming though. Granted you lose a solid picture when you enable vrr on led TV's. Each technology has it's tradeoffs. I would say I'd give a slight edge to the OLED, but I do miss sdr and HDR brightness from my 930e.
@@SpencersStuffTV I was asking the SDR gaming question in relation to call of duty. I play cod in SDR almost 100% of the time. The reason I held off is because of the Sony A95K which wouldve been out right now but was pushed back so you can see my predicament. And Im not sure as Im not ready to pull the trigger because theres that chance Sony will push the QD oled harder than the A90J. I also understand how the brightness levels of G2 and A90J are just to where the colors arnt suffering from Wrgb oleds. But the A95K price hike is hard to justify without seeing. I wish Sony would implement a game dash board like Samsung and LG. If they did this I feel like they would make more $$$. But, gaming to Sony is an after thought. Im sure that in their mind they think that why would someone game on our flagship Sony or master series when they could just use a monitor for gaming. I feel like that is the thought process.
@@mobbman1 it looks like HDTV test just released a review of the A95K. Sounds like the abl is not aggressive at all. Might want to go give it a watch to help you make a decision!
@@SpencersStuffTV Oh , I watched it yesterday. Thanks again. I was surprised to see the side by side comparison of how much the a95k and s95b will dim over time. It looked like the Samsung had a bit smoother motion in that scene. Im not a fan of Soe at all either. It seems that if the motion settings on the samsung(off?) were set to be the same as the Sony(off?) its motion processing will have added interpolation or smoothing compared to the Sony. Im thinking about going for the A90J. I really would like to see both side by side to compare the full field brightness. Vincent did say that its near black gamma is tracking a bit over than reference. Not surprised about that. The A95K is what 4k for a 65" and the A90J Can be got for around $2500. I cant see the QD oled being $1500 dollars better and vincent even said they look very similar. Do you have any plans on getting the A95K at launch or sometime down the road? Thinking that on Prime day most displays will have discounts. Though the A95K doesnt start to ship until what 2nd week in July sometime? I wish that Panasonic would ship to the U.S. or start selling here again.
@@mobbman1 I will continue using the a90j for a few years. I'm saving up for a house right now so money is tight. I want to see them improve qd OLED as much as possible or wait until the next thing. I'll know when I'm ready for the upgrade. I may go back to led on my next tv and try the z9 series.
Since I’ve never used HDR before because it’s awful on my model, I can’t really grasp how good it is, but I trust you. That’s why I’m excited about an A90J, so I still get all the benefits of OLED but can still get great highlights in HDR. Seems like the best if both worlds for the big sizes.
The peak brightness on the a90j still can't touch the x930e in my opinion, but the contrast overall does help reduce that gap. Honestly the A95K looks amazing, and I'd have that on my list of TV's this year to buy. If I didn't game as frequently it would have been a top choice. if you're primarily a tv and movie watcher, take a look at it!
@@SpencersStuffTV Too bad the A95K is only up to 65", I can't go that small, and I don't wanna wait another year or two. Sense of scale is really important to me, and the 70"+ feel perfect for that. And A90J still be great for years to come though, especially one that's pro-calibrated.
@@Jackp2003 oh shoot I didn't realize the A95K was only in 65 inch. Honestly if you can wait a year I would wait and see what comes out next year. I imagine any oleds and mini led TV's will only get bigger and better
@@SpencersStuffTV If they will be they'll certainly be out of my price range and at the 80"+ range haha. The next best thing will always be right around the corner, so better off to just pick and settle and appreciate it.
@@Jackp2003 yeah that makes sense! I guess if you haven't experienced great HDR yet too you'll be in for a treat either way!
halo M thank you for the video about this beautiful x930e I wish that I would to buy this tv. I have a problem now because I live in living room a lot of sun come inside so......I can not by OLED TV. I need to buy now MINI LED TV. maby samsung qn90a or new sony tv 2022 I wish that I would get this beautiful x930e tv
I'm known that sony x930e no more available in electronic stores so maybe the new models of sony in 2022 I can buy
I own the X930E in 55" and I wanted to upgrade. Bought the Samsung QN90B in 65" and I was totally disappointed. Like yes, the XE930E has bigger blooming patches in hdr, but the Samsung hase much more "Intense" (brighter but smaller) Blooming. And now comes the thing. In SDR the Sony has less visible blooming, somehow. I do not know what Sony did here but the QN90B was really disappointing. BTW, I also do not really like quantum dot colors (: So now I am thinking of getting the X95J (not K) :X
I always say shoot for the brightest tv you can and tone back the brightness if need be. The x95k is stellar. My parents bought the panel and I can say it is better than the 930e. Brighter, better contrast and punchier.
I'm thinking of grabbing the z9k or the a95l this year. Not sure yet
@@SpencersStuffTV oh thanks for your Input :) the new tv is one for the living room, so I dont wann spend so much money for the x95K. I really hope the J will also be an improvement over the X930E. In my "Home cinema" I am currently using a sony a8h. Will someday upgrade but I think I will wait 2-3 more yrs :) However, I was really disappointed by the qn90b. Way too bright and blooming in HDR in my honest opinion was really Bad. Had to dimm the tv pretty drastically and Samsungs processing (in my opinion) is also worse than Sonys right now :) I am close to pull the trigger for the x95j but I am still deciding between the a80j and the x95j (right now good prices) I am just a bit sacred my girlfriend falls asleep too often while watching OLED and the netflix Banner with "are you still watching" pops up for a several hours 😂
@@SpencersStuffTV Oh, and when I compare the Blooming Shots on RTINGS (x930e vs x95j) then the blooming on the x95j also looks way worse on the test pattern with the cross T_T Even the X95K hase more blooming on rtings test pattern which really is weird ...
A90j make a better gaming tv than 930e? 930e input lag was only thing that didn’t blow me away respectfully.
The a90j is a better gaming tv generally. Much quicker pixel response, less input lag... However in racing games and sports games, the abl kicks in and ruins the hdr