The Adnan Syed/Hae Min Lee case: What most likely happened (documentary)
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- The Adnan Syed/Hae Min Lee case: What most likely happened (documentary)
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0:00 Intro to the case
03:47 The theories
10:43 Who was Hae?
11:23 Who was Adnan?
12:16 Adnan’s motive
17:41 Means and opportunity
26:02 The Nisha Call
35:48 Adnan goes back to Leakin Park?
41:38 Conclusion
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What do you think happened?
adnan guilty beyond shadow of a doubt
I think you have no business making videos about cases that you know next to nothing about.
He got away with murder
@@thomasahearn4142 Care to explain? What in this video stuck out to you as indicating the person didn't know enough?
@@DrControversy Because of what they left out like the lividity evidence, the police misconduct, the fact that incoming calls can't determine the location of a phone, Jay and Jenn admitting to lying, etc. They clearly didn't want to include anything that went against the narrative of Adnan being the culprit.
My heart goes out to Hae’s family. Her tragic death has been lost in the midst of the media storm with Serial. Her life was cut short in a horrific way and the focus is only on Adnan (whether you think he is guilty or not). There is no justice for the Lee family.
This!!
I was honestly completely shocked that he was released. If he did do it and he's acting like such a faithful man, and can live with himself, then he's capable of anything!
He didn't do it. It was clearly the older guy she was dating that did it.
@@DJMarcO138no it wasn’t. He actually was cleared by evidence, and Don didn’t know Jay who lead them to the car…
I can't believe I used to think adnan was innocent
I didn’t fall for serials presentation like I did Making a Murderer.
He probably is guilty, but don’t blame serial for that. The only thing they proved was that Adnan’s case was handled poorly. They did not conclude he was innocent.
@madmarcus1709 Best you catch up on the "Thruth and Justice" podcast. We have gone through this five times with thousands of people looking at every case document, transcripts, audio interviews, cia profilers, cell thech engineers, and still have come to the same conclusion.
@@AmericanHorse-sg9oc what conclusions did they come too?
@hague444 Best you listen. There are more than 65 hours to catch up on. We are nearing the end of this recent round. We just listened to Jennifer full Police interview that has just become public, and what an interview it was.
Boy for someone whom Adnan never hung out with or talked to, he surely had a lot to say and do with that day.
I was disappointed when Serial finished and left me with the belief that Adnan is in fact guilty. It presented nothing to challenge his conviction in any serious way. He seems like a clever and charismatic sociopath, and unfortunately breakup violence is quite common and sometimes fatal.
Have you listened to the first season of Undisclosed and Truth And Justice?
@@RichardPlunkett-ir3un I haven’t (a matter of time & opportunity rather than a lack of interest) but will give them a listen at some point. I know Undisclosed in particular worked with the Sayed Trust and was accused of being very biased, but I also heard it made some very good points. “Listen (or watch or read) with an open mind but also with caveats” is always my approach to advocacy journalism. Unlike the Teresa Halbach case, in which there is no doubt the right people are in prison, I’ve always been more open to the idea that Sayed might be factually innocent. While listening to Serial, I certainly wanted to be convinced. (Edited because I initially misspelled Teresa Halbach’s name.)
@@kcbarbo78 There is a point in both shows where they start to go back and forth talking and looking into the case since they were both looking at it at the same time and looking to see if it was a wrongful conviction.
Sarah Koenig should be sued by Hae's family.
@@RevoVansen why do you say that?
41:49 - So you are saying Adnan planned all of this like a pro, gave Jay the car so he could get into Hae's car and murder her, but he didn't have any idea how to dispose of the body, didn't have shovels, drove around with Jay for an hour because he didn't know where to bury her and where to dump her car? Looks like a pretty sloppy plan. And then he asks her for a ride while others overheard it. That wasn't very subtle. This makes no sense. If he did it, it wasn't premeditated.
Right, he probably didn’t premeditate, but he killed her nonetheless. Should he have a lesser sentence because it was due to an angry outburst?
@@wsidechris Yes. That would be 2nd degree murder and it carries a lower penalty in all jurisdictions I know of compared to premeditated murder.
How does a guy that spoke to, called, and paged a person he cared deeply about EVERY SINGLE DAY for close to year suddenly NEVER calls that same person ever after she goes MISSING …. not one single time? Makes zero sense.
The phone records don’t lie!! People are using their feelings to suggest his innocence rather than focusing on the evidence that supports his guilt.
They do lie actually and the guy who testified about them admitted as much.
Waranowitz eventually wound up signing an affidavit that said he didn’t stand behind his original testimony.
“If I had known that it was AT&T Wireless' legal policy for incoming calls to not be considered reliable information in determining cellphone location, I would have inquired further within my organization and attempted to learn why this disclaimer was issued,” Waranowitz wrote.
And let me guess, the evidence you mention is the phone data or Jay's testimony? Or maybe you believe it was him because of no other suspects. Well by that standard, then you have to then find him not guilty, because that's ALL been debunked.
@@bellevicious2862 Erm, no they don't lie. There were multiple other uses of phone records in this case, none of which have been disputed as factual and all point to Adnan lies and inconsistencies.
In regards to Waranowitz, let me explain. AT&T put a generic disclaimer on the cover sheets of all of their records at that time stating that outgoing call records 'might' be unreliable. Waranowitz is simply saying that because he didn't see that disclaimer, he would have to look closer to see if they were reliable or not. During Adnans appeal, both a private consulting company and an FBI cell records expert (special agent Chad Fitzgerald) both confirmed that the cell records were perfectly accurate. The defence provided no expert to refute this.
In summary, the cell records situation was never about if the records were accurate or not it was part of Adnans team trying to get an appeal by showing the way the evidence was presented to the jury was flawed and therefore he has the right to another trial.
@@bellevicious2862Nah he's saying if he had this information he would've looked into it and considered it.
And the sole reason for this disclaimer is so they won't get sued because you couldn't pinpoint a location exactly with the cell tower coverage back then. That doesn't mean the general areas the phone was located in was wrong it just means it's broader than expected. And the general areas do line up with testimony from multiple people.
So I at least wouldn't classify that as soundproof exculpatory evidence.
I would love to see your analysis of the Ellen Greenburg case. She was a young teacher that was planning a wedding when her fiancé claims to have found her dead in their apartment. She was stabbed more than 20 times with the majority of wounds to her back and back of her neck and head. The coroner determined it was a homicide but days later the police and coroner declared it a suicide. There is so much wrong with this scenario and it’s been more than ten years since then with her family fighting to get justice for their daughter . They have spent all of their money on medical experts and lawyers but despite all of the evidence that their daughter was murdered the police and coroner refuse to reopen the case. It’s really horrible and it’s hard to understand why they are ignoring the evidence and common sense that should make it clear she didn’t kill herself. An example of how absurd the suicide theory is that medical experts hired by the family determined that one of the earliest stab wounds would have hit her spine thus paralyzing her. How does someone who is paralyzed manage to continue to stab themselves another 10-15 or more in the back of their neck, head and back?
It's her boyfriend. It's clear to all, there's just no way to prove it definitely
How is that suicide?! Women who self delete don't usually do something that will disguture their face.
At one point you say Asia's testimony wasn't true (or misremembered) because there wasn't any snowstorm the next day and they never fixed this in the Serial Podcast. Then at 33:25 you say there is an ice storm, school is cancelled, and power is out for parts of the area the day after the murder. Also, Adnan said that he left his cell phone in the car he lent Jay on the day of the murder. It's a leap to insinuate that because Jay was using Adnans phone throughout the day of the murder that this means they were together. Then at 36:02 you insinuate that because a tower pings in an area this means he was driving by a particular site. The typical cell tower range is 2-3 miles. The distance from his school to the burial site is only 3 miles. Three square miles of an urban area is huge. A particular tower pinging in an area where a body is buried does not mean he was anywhere near that site. Also, why would Adnan call his weed dealer to discuss the murder 2x for 30 seconds? I'm not saying Sarah Koenig didn't do this also, but it seems like you are trying to get these facts to fit a particular narrative.
Agree
The fact he said he left his cell phone , doesn't mean he did
Do you often go places without your cell phone ?
Very convenient
Dudes a scumbag
What a waste to devote your time to obfuscating this scumbags guilt
How do we all know you are white ?
they didn’t say that they said the day of the murder they was no snow.. who gives a fk abokt the following day
Yeah I was thinking that too. Dude said that there was no snow to get rid of Asia’s testimony that she saw Adnan day of murder. And left around 2:30. Then goes to say it snowed day after murder….
Bruh that very testimony is what got him out. You can’t just say that was not correct then go on to explain that very snow storm in your account of the events.
I got halfway through Serial and shouted from the rooftops that Adnan was innocent. I finished the series and felt sick to my stomach, that Rabia and SK had caused a murderer to go free.
My personal theory is that Adnan killed Hae in a fit of rage after getting a ride from her. Serial made it seem like the only scenario in which Adnan killed Hae was one in which Adnan was an ice cold psychopath who slaughtered her without mercy. This doesn’t seem accurate to me at all. What made more sense is that Adnan gave in to his anger and throttled Hae, killing her due to his greater strength and size (If a random assailant killed Hae, why wouldn’t they rob/sexually assault her?). Hae didn’t run away because it was her car, assuming that Adnan was mentally stable her assumption would be that as the result of an argument, he should have left.
In the space of five minutes, Adnan went from the golden boy of Woodlawn to a traumatised teenager with a dead body in her car. He called Jay, an acquaintance with a known criminal history and showed her the body (aka trunk pop) at Jay’s house. Jay helped the stressed and terrified Adnan dump the body in Leakin Park, the Nisha call placed them both at Leakin and at the Burial site. Jay can’t tell the full story because it proves he wasn’t coerced into covering up the murder, and Adnan can’t implicate Jay because it proves he killed Hae. That entire day reads to me as the reactive actions of two teenagers struggling to get rid of a body without getting caught.
Adnan Syed killed Hae Min Lee.
Those are my feelings too. Ultimately, there’s too many things connected for Adnan to be innocent.
Just a guess
@@Jennmorris03 Hey mate, before I answer just want to keep in mind it’s been a few months since I got into the Hae Min Lee case so I might be misremembering some stuff. I do think with the strength of the cases at trial, Adnan should have been found Not Guilty so my argument is purely based on actual criminal plausibility.
The reporting that Hae turned down Adnan’s ride request is sourced from the police note about the case, which only mentions Becky’s statement months after Hae’s death. Becky however was called upon to Adnan’s defence at trial and did not make the same claim, instead stating that Hae left class by herself.
As time has passed, I’ve come to believe less in the crime of passion and more that it was a pre-meditated murder (With Bilal’s influence or not). I believe that if Adnan wished to murder Hae, he would have exploited any possible method to get in that car, manipulating her goodwill or outright lying. This provides a motivation for Adnan’s competing stories (including his own changing stories about asking for a ride) as a strategy to ensure he appears innocent. At the end of the day, Adnan is too tied up in the circumstantial evidence for me to believe he is completely innocent
@@alexanderthegreat1270 I love discussions. They are good. Here is where my thoughts are on the points you raised. Hae was supposed to pick up her cousin that afternoon. If she was to of done that, you would automatically think others knew about it.
Also - what does Asia gain here? Especially since she wrote the note the day after he was arrested. She wasn’t friends with him. She even says that she hoped she had spelled his name correctly. So they had no relationship besides ‘hello’ kind of friends.
I feel like Jay’s store is way too full of holes and doesn’t fit the timeline. I feel after the 4th or 5th time you tell a different story, do you really have the right person. I think Jay would have done anything to NOT do to prison and if Adnan has to be the one that was sacrificed, then so be it.
And sorry - I just will never believe that he went to Best Buy and killed her because that’s where they used to go to have sex. During store hours. During the light of day.
Plus you have to at least consider that his attorney was going through some medical things that could have changed the way she intended to defend Adnan.
There are just too many things that would be completely out of character and not make sense for him to be convicted of murder. No DNA. Only one palm print on a map. They have no idea when it was put there.
It’s just overwhelming in my eyes that he did not do this. My personal guess or guesses are Jay, Don or the guy that found her. Not sure why she would be there or how or where her car went from there and who was driving? I don’t know.
@@alexanderthegreat1270 with all due respect and just in conversation about the case - your theory doesn’t line up with the timeline of with the facts.
In defense of Serial, above all else the podcast presents a view of sub par case building and a trial that does not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Adnan was the killer. It presents Adnan as not guilty only within the bounds of a juror's civic duty, due to the shoddiness of the case built and the trial. This is not the same as saying he is innocent. This is also the basis for his release. To date, as far as I know, the state has not exonerated Adnan. It has simply admitted that this was not a fair trial, and largely on the grounds of one of the detectives being discovered later to be a serial witness tamperer (hence Jay's weird testimony switches). I don't know if Adnan was guilty. There is plenty to suggest he is. There is also not enough to say beyond a reasonable doubt that there is. No physical evidence on the body. No DNA match. As a juror, the only outcome under these circumstances is that you acquit. This is the point Koenig makes with Serial.
Personally... I am skeptical but have to just go with the path of least resistance that Adnan is probably guilty. Jay was definitely involved due to him knowing where the car was. There's no other explanation for that. And there's really no other explanation for Jay being so deeply involved other than Adnan being guilty. But the burden of proof is on the prosecution and honestly they used shitty tactics to do their jobs and that is a justifiable basis for Adnan's release. Also the Maryland statute that he was a minor and spent more than 20 yrs in prison helps him out given the major ambiguity in this case; it's a politically safe move to release him rather than continue spending taxpayer money on something this dodgy given that statute.
The podcast spends a lot of effort to maintain objectivity IMO. If you come away with a sense of innocence, it is mostly because they present the flaws of the way it was prosecuted, which points to a lack of provable guilt long before it purports innocence.
Great video!
He’s so guilty it’s pretty cut and dry. The media created a narrative and social media ran with it. While he was only 17 I don’t mind him getting out but I do mind him acting like the victim and people treating a killer like a hero
What lead you to say he's guilty?
Why would you ask such a dumb question?@@RichardPlunkett-ir3un
@@RichardPlunkett-ir3un all of the overwhelming circumstantial evidence against him.
@@ExposeDrift what circumstantial evidence?
The witnesses corroborated story, the cell tower data placing him in incriminating regions, the lack of an alibi despite being contacted by police on the day ‘the love of his life’ goes missing, his many inconsistencies regarding that day in school, his clear motive to strangle an ex who’s got a new guy 13 days after dumping him, him writing I’m going to kill on the back of the breakup letter, the fact he was calling Hae everyday up till the last day she was seen alive…
Great job of thoroughly examining the timeline. “Serial” was basically 12 episodes of Koening talking about her feelings, and about how well spoken and sweet Syed is. She repeatedly falls all over herself to explain away the evidence against him.
Exactly how she has any credibility is beyond me. I could barely listen to it. "He's just so nice with big eyes could he really kill someone". It's like are for freaking for real. The dumbest statement. How she can live with herself and put out such crap is beyond me.
I feel the same way. Her demeanor was embarrassing.
I think it's funny that Rabia is so convinced that Adnan was profiled for his religion that she reverse profiled him and the result is letting a murderer free. She is ridiculous.
She's setting her sights on freeing Scott Peterson as well. Go figure.
Who’s Rabia?
The creator of the podcast which set the whole Free Adnan movement underway. Just bear in mind 80 members of his 'community' said they were willing to testify he was at the mosque at the time of the crime. When his phone records came out they all backtracked. Taqiyya. It's like old days of the Italian mafia and omerta. @gladysnavarro2435
@@Allynavarro2435his lawyer. She brought this case to Sarah to stager serial
What happened is very obvious. But if someone wants to find Mr obvious innocent, this is the story.
Good coverage of this case
One thing is for sure, Jenn, Jay and Adnan all had knowledge about the crime before details were released to the public. That alone should rule out any other suspects. Although the evidence is not necessarily a slam dunk, Adnan had the motive, and No alibi.
Well stated and true
If Syed's friend, Rabia Chaudry, hadn't brought this up, we would have never heard of this murderer. It's a shame he's walking free. Hopefully he doesn't let his anger make him act out again. The deceased's family deserved to be left alone.
I listened to Serial and even crime junkie and also Desi Crime about this case and now I believe that Adnan did kill Haemin Lee! I actually believed he was innocent before but not anymore, there is just too many facts and also he has real motive. So yeah I’m sorry to Hae’s family!! I’ve heard the brother is getting harassed after appealing the release of Adnan which is disgusting! This poor family has suffered the most!
Very well done. Adnan is guilty AF. His lying is a desperate attempt to support his family's and community's mistaken belief that he didn't kill someone. It sucks for everyone involved.
In this video he made it seem that it's more of Adnans fault
it suks, but another way to look at it is we got 22 years out of a murderer and still to this day every court he's been in front of has found him guilty.
I can't believe that Jen heard that Hae was dead on the evening of 13th of January but did not even report it to police! How can you sleep well knowing the truth and there are parents and loved ones of this girl including police who are searching for her? Jen should be charged as well for covering up the murder case. Tsk! And Syed is guilty. Wonder why he was realesed
Adnan had motive means opportunity and he also contradicted himself numerous times and also told direct lies and misrepresented many things. Therefore above all other possible suspects he did the cell phone records is undeniable
Adnan was asked about his day 6 weeks after Hae disappeared. Where were you 6 mondays ago? do you remember? (if you work with more than a couple people do you remember who you met with at work, what you talked about? what time you went for lunch, what you had for lunch?) Cuz i sure as hell don't and I work a relatively similar schedule every week.
What about the cellphone records is undeniable?
@@RichardPlunkett-ir3unas far i know the phone records are not as water tight as they seem. But the cover sheet on the records faxed to Baltimore police by AT&T contained an important warning in small type. “Outgoing calls only are reliable for location status,” it said. “Any incoming calls will NOT be considered reliable information for location.”
@jaylocked9072 if you can't remember what you did the day your ex is murdered your an idiot. Police spoke to him that day and he lied. Phone records prove he was with jay, and he even admits it. He lied multiple times. If the police call and ask what I was doing the day someone I loved disappeared you damn right know were I was. Plus he never EVER calls her again. 1st thing I would do after the police spoke to me would be to call them.
@jaylocked9072 I get what you're saying BUT if something unusual happened that day i would remember that day almost perfectly. My brother died almost 10 years ago I remember key details about that day...the only thing I even remember what I wore.
I use to believe him too, in fact I'm still part of the justice for adnan group BUT some things just started to click
Another excellent video! I still think he did it but that they didn't have enough evidence to convict him.
they had more than enough evidence to convict.. he’s only free as they have discovered 2 more sets of DNA.. he didn’t get his conviction overturned
there is plenty of evidence. Corroborated witness testimony and cell records placing him in the region of the crime. Then added to that are all his lies, inconsistencies and lack of an alibi.
Adnan absolutely killed Hae. If you read the court transcripts carefully there is no other explanation. He’s a remorseless killer.
Yes because people NEVER lie on the witness stand and trial transcripts are always irrefutable and the justice system never ever gets it wrong. By the way, I am being sarcastic.
And lets not forget Jay actually confessed to lieing, hes the only reason cops suspected adnan. Additionally, one of their friends has always maintained she saw adnan in the library and spoke to him during the tine police say the abduction occured. Her statement was not brought in the first trial which is one of adnans appeal notes- ineffective counsel- and he won that. In closing, ALL of the witnesses put on by the state in trial have all since recanted or changed their statements and own the fact they lied. There are so many data points we could discuss that prove adnan didnt do it, but COULDNT have.
@@TheKrisb25Wow, it’s actually impressive how much misinformation you squeezed into that paragraph. Lol.
@@noxncI was going to say some of the shit these people make up to justify someone is insane. Everyone is framed and all the witness are lying lol
@@noxncthe library witness thing is true. Witnesses generally aren't sure of dates at all, because cops waited too long. And Jay is wildly unreliable
BAD THINGS thank you for another amazing video, your consistency is to be applauded. PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ON THE LAS VEGAS SHOOTING OF 2017, we never got anymore answers it was dropped from media in two weeks and potential Saudi ties or ties to terrorism were absolutely forgotten and ignored
We appreciate how well you've articulated your own insights on this matter. Keep working hard.
I’m doing an analysis on this case for a journalism class of mine, and I’m stuck I the facts of this case. The whole case has inconsistencies. Jays statement, Adnans, Asias letter to Adnan, cell phone towers and more. It’s just sad we’ll never truly know what happened to Hae, who killed her and so on.
It sounds like you won’t do well in your journalism course. Because real journalists have to sift through lots of BS to find the real story.
What happened? Adnan killed her and that idiot who is a family friend-turned lawyer tried springing him by claiming they discriminated because he was a Muslim. This was legitimately a case that should be closed and he shouldn’t even be spoken about that this point.
Yep. Just bear in mind 80 members of his 'community' said they were willing to testify he was at the mosque at the time of the crime. When his phone records came out they all backtracked. Taqiyya. It's like old days of the Italian mafia and omerta.
Agreed. This is an open and shut case. I have no idea why anyone thinks otherwise.
If he was really so guilty why did jay lie so much in his interviews?
@@ShadowSlayer1323 A better question is why Jay would come forward and admit his involvement in all of this if it weren't true. Surely you don't think that Jay did it?
@@milart12 I mean it makes sense, he never reported it when adnan supposedly told him he was gonna kill her, and he only snitched on jay once the body was found, almost like he was hoping she was never found, then used adnan as a scapegoat. also, why would a man in prison for murder willfully agree to dna testing if he knows he’s guilty? Idk who’s guilty, but you can’t say that there’s enough evidence that adnan 100% did, especially when the only real witness is so unreliable
Adnan Syed, Rabia, and her brother states that they doesn’t know where leakin park was. 5 mins away from their school. I smell so much bullshit it’s fucking hilarious.
Serial makes it sound like the park was at least an hour away but it’s exactly 3 miles away.
It’s like saying you live in NYC yet you have never heard of Central Park.
Very true…. So close that in fact, the little stream that runs behind the high school (called Dead Run) is the same stream near where they buried the body in LP
There’s a video dedicated to how Leakin Park has a history of being a dumping ground for bodies. I’m pretty sure that all locals would have some awareness of this local curiosity.
Of course he did it. I loved the serial podcast like everyone else, but even their biased reporting showed he was guilty.
Jay knew where the car was, AND the body.
3:22 My only thing to say is that no one should get mad at the Serial podcast team for talking about the this case. The one thing the definitely proved was that Adnan’s Case was messy and handled incorrectly in some places. Other investigators and even a detective they hired said that. Adnan probably is guilty, but still there are some things that are not clear and should have been looked into.
However, they never said he was definitely innocent. They proposed view points at the end. The two being if he was innocent, he was very unlucky that day, but if he’s guilty the story based off Jay’s and witness accounts doesn’t add up entirely.
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Very well done and thorough. I agree with the assessment.
It was Adnan who killed HaeMin. The unwilling accomplice confessed. It is unlikely HaeMin would have let anyone else in her car in this bad neighborhood unless she knew him/her. The person who talked to HaeMin last was Adnan
I doubt that Jay was fully unwilling.
@@jordanbdailey But what's in it for Jay?
“He was, at a glance, your typical American teenager…”
Lol. No. No he wasn’t.
He was though a typical Baltimore teenager
A criminal record for "compulsive streaking"? What a dummy!
Just cover your head with panty hose and have an escape driver ready to go near..........um, so I heard.
😅
LOVE your videos but find the background track very distracting!
Could you cover the case of Julianna Redding please. I haven’t seen one true crime person talk about her case
Almost none of this is accurate. I used to like your channel, but it’s clear you did none of your own research into this case before making this video.
They got the cell records first, then talked to Jen and Jay. They then asked Jay leading questions to get a story that seemed to corroborate the cell records (which were not accurate for incoming calls).
It later turned out that investigators had initially misread some of the cell phone tower maps and they also contained mistakes. Upon police realizing this, Jay’s testimony changed to match the updated/corrected cell tower and call records. Since his sworn testimony was at 2 different trials, jury members never got to see these contradictions.
It’s made to look like Jay corroborated the cell records, but in actuality his story was molded to fit what police thought had happened based on inaccurate cell tower records with multiple different possible interpretations.
Police talked to Jay twice off the record before recording or making notes of their interrogations. This was corroborated by his boss; they picked him up at work. These same officers were later found to have been guilty of misconduct in other cases, which lead to demonstrably false convictions.
Hae’s car had been found and the plates run multiplie times before Jay identified it. Police did know where her car was without Jay. He didn’t even take them to the right location at first.
Don didn’t have an alibi. The police didn’t even look into it for months, by which point no one would’ve remembered him being at work or not on that specific day. There was no punch card nor physical time sheet. The digital time sheet with a different ID number could easily have been put in retroactively as an alibi. Furthermore, that suspicious shift would’ve put Don into overtime that week, and he wasn’t paid any overtime on his paycheck, just his normal wages. He was in his twenties dating a high schooler, and some of her friends told police he was creepy and had made passes at them. I’m not saying any of this proves he’s guilty, but it’s completely false to act as though he had an airtight alibi when he should’ve been investigated by the police immediately after Hae’s disappearance.
Two known serial killers were active in the area and had victims similar to Har. One of them, Roy Davis lived on the route Hae would’ve taken home that day, near a gas station she commonly stopped at.
If you did the most basic research on this case, you would’ve found all of this out. Syed could be guilty, but that’s no more been proven than the guilt or innocence of Jay, Roy Davis, Ronald Moore, Don, or Bilal Ahmed (the pedophile dentist who threatened Hae).
Detective William Ritz had a history of withholding exculpatory evidence in other cases. Because he and MacGillivary did such a subpar job investigating this murder, we will likely never know what happened with any degree of certainty unless DNA technology advances in the future can give us the answers.
Or they got the right killer in the the first place. He lied from day 1. Why lie if your innocent. You worked hard for new phone yet you get it to jay? He asked her for a ride saying his car was in garage LIE. He is a huge as killing liar and the many experts said the phone pings were accurate. He doesn't remember the day police call you and ask if you seen her. I sure the he'll would remember and also I would be calling them. He NEVER calls her. WHY. Cause he knows she's dead. But but but excuses excuses.
Listen to Crime Weekly's deep dive on this case.
This is mostly conjecture filled to irrational red herrings. Your refutation of Jay's testimony largely hinges on unfounded claims of corruption and negligence. The evidence against Adnan is significant, which is why every court and jury has found him repeatedly guilty.
You’re just parroting debunked Undisclosed talking points ffs
The jury was there they looked at him. They listened to the testimony and evidence that was there and presented. I’m sure they thought what we would at that time. They got it right.
There are quite a few of us that were bamboozled by Serial. However a more careful review of the evidence, including the defense files, and seeing more objectives shows outline the cases changed my mind. He is guilty, and the totality of the evidence clearly points to it.
I think Adnan will never admit to murder while his parents are alive.
He won’t ever admit to it because he has a huge fanbase blindly supporting him. And also because he’s a sociopath.
Bro definitely did it but 20 years around the world is about the time you do for murder. It's sad she died but at the same.time 20 years seems sufficient on the fact of he could go back he probably wouldn't do it
Parole should come with remorse and admission of guilt. There is none of that with this guy.
The whole giving someone who is not your goid friend your phone and car is hard to explain away
Jay is the key to this, he testified in court. When they gave Adnon the option to cop to it and get out of jail, and he didn't. That speaks volumes. Because I know plenty of people that would have just took the deal to get out.
Some information in this video isn't correct
It's this simple, whether he actually committed the murder, the conviction was wrong.
Why?
Circumstantial evidence is evidence nonetheless.
Good stuff.
You realize you can pretty much do this with every "Innocence Project" case? They are an activist org started by the attorneys who were on OJ's legal team.
GUILTY.
this guy is a guilty murderer
27:17 - When Jay makes a call to Phil, why does that prove that Adnan is with him?
In the picture that is constantly zoomed in he looks like a young Ralph macchio
There is a little inconsistency in the facts you propose. You stated there was no ice storm or storm on the day that girl said she saw him in the library. But then you said there was during the party?
he said the ice storm was the night of the party.. totally different day
there was no school at all the day of the ice storm
The ice storm was the day after on 1-14-99…. after the murder, before the party
It's obvious he did it. I thought that even when watching the HBO special that tried to make him look innocent.
He probably did do it. Still, I don't think he ever should've been imprisoned.
The cell phone records were troubling but so much of the trial and evidence were fumbled. The case against him isn't beyond doubt.
Everything points to him.
he did it
Adnan did it, and Jay helped him. Serial podcast was biased and got Adnan off.
This guy getting released really peeved me off. He’s the only one who could have done it. He had motive plus he had made statements to the effect that he wanted to kill her. No one else could have done it
No, someone else said they wanted to kill her. The prosecutor tried to lie after the fact and say Syed said it but the prosecutor’s office said that was BS. There are at least two other prime suspects in this case and one of their DNA might actually match, unlike Syed’s. Also her car was found parked behind one of their houses? And one of them became a serial rapist. Not sure if the same guy but they’re both plausible suspects, more plausible than Adnan.
@@bellevicious2862 I get that people have purged themselves in the legal process before but it’s the whole mens rhea , why did they do it that probably atill needs to be worked out. Who would want to kill her and why? all I know is that angry exes have killed before and so the motive was there. I was watching the original documentary on hbo max and the victim seemed like a really sweet girl so I’m having trouble coming up with any other plausible motive
@@bellevicious2862 sorry but this is just false information... .Adnan wrote he wanted to kill on the back of the breakup letter Hae sent him - this is factual court submitted evidence that the police found while searching Adnans house and it's authenticity has never been disputed.
There are no other prime suspects.
Don had no motive and no matching DNA,
Alonzo sellers had no motive and no matching DNA (and passed a polygraph)
Bilal (the rapist) had no motive and no matching DNA
Jay had motive (to help his friend Adnan, but this still implicates Adnan) and no matching DNA
Adnan had serious motive as the replaced ex who just found out Hae had a new boyfriend she was sleeping with. No DNA but plenty of legitimate motive and opportunity.
And no, the car was not found behind any of their houses, but Jay knew where it was because he and Adnan were involved in her death. Jay knowing where the car was rules out all of the other suspects for obvious reasons.
So as the original comment states, unless you want to be wilfully ignorant, nobody else could've done it.
I'm not so peeved, the Hae family got 22 years of justice and even though he's been released, most rational people and pretty much all of the courts still view Adnan as guilty.
@@ExposeDrift he's definitely guilty. I'm not racist but I always sensed that if he didn't kill her with his own hands, he was in on the plot. We don't know if any of his friends or family were more than willing to take this poor girl’s life. I understand that his mother didn't like her. Accused her of making Adnan stray from his family's faith. It could have been mama Sayed but Adnan isn't talking
Your right.
I feel very sorry for Adnan. I'm sure if he had his time again he would deal with his emotions differently as opposed to killing someone he apparantly loved.
It must be hard trying to convice the whole world of your innocence when you know you are guilty.
Sorry but too many factors make it impossible to think anything else.
The case may not be strong enough to reconvict given all of the stuff ups in the first trial however he did kill her.
End of story
What leads you to believe he killed her?
Motive
The evidence is compelling, just a bad trial which is why he got out after all of this time.
Have you listened to the prosecutors podcast? They break it down well as they are lawyers.
There is no do doubt he did it. He even left a rose in the car which was his big moment of romance at the beginning of their relationship.
SImply put , the chances of him not doing it with the circumstancial evidence is almost impossible.
Did not call her once after she disappeared yet was callinh her every day still before she died.
Cell phone data placing his phone in Leakin Park
Lent his car and phone to Jay on the day she died.
Asker her for a ride after school stating his car was at the mechanic
Wrote Im going to kill on the letter that she sent him saying it was over for good.
The list goes on and on.@@RichardPlunkett-ir3un
He is free now so o well it’s over poor girl.
You feel sorry for Adnan out of all the people involved?
Lots of people have suffered however the enduring suffering will be the killer@@Ssqulabu
Adnan did it and Jay help him bury the body 🤷🏿♂️
Poorly titled it's rather clear who did it put this on another Channel
Finally the rest of the world is realizing that he IS-in fact-GUILTY!!!
Isn’t it such a relief? At least if he remains out of prison his future partners will have access to the truth. Especially since he works on a college campus.
why even waste time on people who believes his innocent, they are allowed to have the opinion that maybe the evidence isnt strong, but most people are retarded.
He is guilty end of story. if people want to say they feel it isnt beyond reasonable doubt good for them, to bad those retards walk among us
So you bought into the AI and The Prosecutors? Shame
You introduce 'Jay' without a surname, as if he had been mentioned earlier. Confusing storytelling here.
Can you do a video on the frog boys 🐸
Yes this!
Some of these amateur wannabe detectives are ridiculous and irresponsible. This guy was tried and convicted based on real and sound evidence. There's nothing really that points to him being innocent.
If the evidence was so sound. He would not be out and there never would have been any questions about his conviction. The evidence was primarily circumstantial. The case was a shit show from the cops, prosecutors and even Adnan's own defence attorney from the beginning. In fact, every level of the system failed. So what are you even talking about?
They don’t set murderers free on “solid” evidence of their crimes.
@@jaylocked9072
Prosecutors podcast will set you straight. You've been hoodwinked
@@donwanderley7156 oh sweet innocent lamb
Always trust a gerbil
Whose DNA was found at the "burial" site?
Excellent another great video for the justice for Hae🎉 I hope this guy NEVER represents REAL wrongfully convicted people ever! He’s guilty and I guess at least he did 18 years
What makes you believe he's guilty?
@@RichardPlunkett-ir3unAre you insane?
Sounds to me like Jay did it. Why did he not serve any prison time? He knew where the car and body was, as well as the COD.
This is my theory as well.
He had no real motive.
No motive and no opportunity to do it alone. Jay and Adnan were together most of the afternoon.
According to Jay who would have a motive to lie if he did it.
I always wondered that also. It seems so odd that he wasn’t interrogated more than he was
I love how everyone in the comments refers to the murderer by his first name like they are buddies or something.
There was never really enough evidence presented for him to be convicted of 1st degree murder or anything, but he definitely killed her and he ABSOLUTELY should NOT be celebrated and considered a person who was wrongfully jailed.
actually there was enough evidence, don't be fooled by the podcasts and documentaries, if you actually look at the court transcripts and evidence its a pretty solid case.
Adnan and Jay did not talk to Nisha that day. That was at the porn shop weeks later when Jay started working there. Probably a butt dial. The other calls around that time do show that both Adnan and Jay were together.
A butt dial that lasted over 2 minutes?? Impossible. If, in fact, Adnan called Nisha from the porn shop, don't you think that the cell phone records would demonstrate this. You are obviously aware of all of the discussion about the location of Adnan based on cell phone data. So, you are saying that there is another call to Nisha which emanated from the porn shop, and no one has found this? After all the extensive research into the cell phone records?
@@milart12 is new. Nisha had a landline which would ring forever if you didn't have voicemail. She didn;t have voicemail. This is 25 yrs ago rookie. ATT has in their documentation that location on a receiving call was not reliable.
@@tomgeoghegan9173 If Nisha had not picked up, Adnan would not have been billed for the call, so it is not the case that the phone would ring forever. Someone had to have answered the phone. It is impossible to believe that someone answered and said "Hello"..."Hello" for over 2 minutes.
The whole incoming/outgoing issue has been debunked. And what does location information have to do with this?
This is 25 yrs ago rookie? What does that mean?
You are digging a deeper whole for yourself.
@@milart12 Adnan was billed for the call. They billed you if you talked to someone as well as billing for if you didn;t talk to anyone back then. it really doesn;t matter since Jay worked at the pron shop January 28th where Nisha did talk to Jay and Adnan.
@@tomgeoghegan9173 It is NOT true that Adnan would have been billed if no one answered the phone. Where can I find that.
If indeed there was ANOTHER call, THAT call would be reflected in Adnan's call record and the cell tower information would verify that the call emanated from a location at or near the porn shop. You are certainly aware of all the discussion of cell tower records and location information. So, you are telling me that there is this second call to Nisha which would demonstrate that Adnan was making a call from the porn store, and NO ONE has discovered this?
wait i never heard about the rose in the backseat is that real?
Hae's diary entry about being in love with Don is not evidence for or against Don having feelings of extreme jealousy. The diary was not public so Don could not have known what was in it. And if he was so full of jealousy that it would lead to murder, no public statement of love for Don would counter-balance any fears Don might have had about her feelings for Adnan. Not saying Don did it, but I am saying that this 'proof' is only proof that if Don WAS jealous, then it was unfounded. That said, I did think that all of the shenanigans regarding Don and his time card and his alibi from the woman who was basically his step-mother were highly suspicious. Also, Jay was INCREDIBLY shady, in ALL of his dealings with police, and I never trusted anything to do with him. I think this video is forgetting that not everyone in the late 90s had a phone, like we all do now (I know I didn't). So, Adnan might have given Jay his phone, if Jay didn't have one but Adnan would need to reach him. I also think it's odd that you say Jay and Adnan 'weren't close enough' for Adnan to loan Jay his phone, but have no trouble suggesting that they are close enough friends for Jay to help Adnan cover up a murder. You're also leaning WAY to hard on that cel phone evidence. ALL of that was garbage and totally unusable. There was also physical evidence with Hae's body that indicated that she was laying dead on one place for a very long time -- several days, perhaps -- before being buried. The "Adnan is the killer" timeline relies on the idea that he killed her and buried her right away. Also, I'm EXTREMELY confused about this ice storm/snow thing. You said that the girl who saw him at the library remembered it because it snowed the next day, but that this was retracted somehow. THEN you say, "the next day there was an ice storm" is if that it's some new, unexpected bit of information.
I mu self thought first he was not guilty but i believe he was guilty and should have not let free
This "Documentary" is so suspect and lazy. The time line they give only one version when even Jay had multi version of the timeline. So they get to choose which one fits their narrative best. Check out 2:18, they tell us a call is made to someone named Phil and that Phil is most likely Jay but they never say why or who even made the call....like what are you talking about right now.
Do you think that Adnan is innocent?
I’m saying that this documentary is lazy but on your question I think he is 100% innocent in the courts. In real life, I’m still not sure.
Any theory that excludes Bilal and Saad Choudry (Rabia Choudry's brother) is stale and off.
Haha You HAVE to be joking.
You all are tripping on some half assed. Commentary. Best you all sign on to the "Thruth and Justice" podcast. We are going through months of paperwork, audio and more...you can't base anything off any 45minute youtube vid that is missing scrutiny.
Next you'll be thinking Hammas live the LGBTQ community!? geesh
Oh yeah the podcast that help somebody get free.
The Podcast had nothing to do with it. It was The Juvenile Restoration Act that opened up his case and found the Brady material.
@VR_Aviator Yeah, but he was the podcast they got everybody talking about the case, and that's just the fact.
And it's fact that the podcasts didn't get him out.
Jay led the police to the victim's car. So either he did it or Adnan did.. isn't it obvious?
Another event that may implicate Adnan is the time from when Hae left school and the time she should have arrived to pickup her cousin. It wasn't much time, which leads me to believe the killer likely left with Hae from the school. That would have been Adnan. I think he made one last attempt to get her back and she rejected him, maybe even insulting him.
You are exactly right on this. Hae left Woodlawn at 2:30-2:45 and was supposed to pick up her cousin at 3ish. She never arrived to pick up her cousin. So, her killer had to encounter her either at Woodlawn or on the way to pick up her cousin. Who, other than Adnan, who had asked her for a ride that day, would have been able to get into Hae's car in order to kill her. This is an open and shut case. Adnan is the only one who could have killed Hae.
Excellent point
I agree that the most suspicious thing is he never tries to call or text her
Hae did not have a cellphone so he couldn't try calling or texting her. Also Don never tried getting ahold of her either yet they supposedly spent three hours on the phone the previous night according to him.
@@RichardPlunkett-ir3unshe had a pager. The dude paged her all the time until he killed her
@@davidstevenson319 She may not have had a pager at the time. The police never got her pager records and they never found a pager for her. If she had a pager why didn't Adnan page her on the 12th instead of calling her house?
He’s guilty end of story
This is a poor analysis.
The post mortem showed lividity. This makes Jay's account BS.
Jay is a serial liar and changed his story many times.
Jen has ties with Jay's family who are drug dealers.
Hae bought a present for jay so he could give it to his girlfriend for her birthday on the afternoon of her death. She met Jay at his grandmother's house where nefarious activities were taking place.
Its possible Hae was murdered there ( as she may have walked in on something she wasn't supposed to see )and later buried in LinkedIn park. A man with a mature vouce answered a phone saying ge couldn't help the caller.
The police turned off the tape numerous times when questioning Jay. They were coaching him and reworking timelines to fit their theory.
Jay had a job at a adult store and told his workmates that he was in big trouble and being pursued by a heavy gang, looking out the window constantly.
There are many other inconsistencies such as inaccurate phone cell tower analysis... And much more.!
You’re just regurgitating & parroting debunked conjecture & conspiracy theories from Undisclosed
Do better ffs
You have fallen for the propaganda put out by Syed’s family and fans. You could have stopped at “Jay is a serial liar” - he lied to minimize his involvement, but revealed it nonetheless and it worked in his favor because he never went to jail. So, yes, Jay is a successful serial liar. Doesn’t make him a senseless killer.
@@wsidechris I am not positing Jay as the person directly responsible.
It may be a close family member.
There are conflicting accounts, however on the balance of probabilities from what I understand, I consider it unlikely Adnan Syed is the killer.
Should you have compelling evidence to the contrary I would welcome your comments.
Did anyone look at Adnan’s parents?
Why pray tell do you think they have anything to do with it?
If not with them and their religion this would not have happen.
Of coz he is guilty
Unless the cause and perpetrator are caught in the act, on video, I assume the cops did it and framed someone until I've seen compelling evidence to the contrary.
I think Adnan did it, even if the proof may have been legally insufficient to support a criminal case. Remember he was not exonerated on appeal due to factual innocence, but because of alleged police/prosecution misconduct ⚖️👎
I have enjoyed some of your other videos but you really dropped the ball on this one. How much research did you do into this case? Are you aware of the fact that Jay constantly changed his story to fit the evidence? Are you aware that incoming calls are NOT reliable for determining the location of a phone? Are you aware that the lividity of Hae's body disproves Jay's story? Are you aware that the detectives that investigated Adnan, Ritz and McGilevary, have been proven to tamper with evidence in other cases? Are you aware that Hae told a friend she was going to see Don right after school? You even manage to contradict yourself. You say that Asia must be mistaken about the day because it didn't snow that night. Then later you say there was an ice storm. Which is it? The Baltimore DA's office no longer stands by Adnan's conviction and they're not known for admitting many mistakes. But you apparently think that Adnan being the murderer makes for a good story so you ignore all of that. I think it's time you retired from making videos.
The snow/ice storm was the following day, no contradiction.
@@alanhindmarch4483 Asia said she was snowed in the next day so it backs up her story. Seriously, did they even bother to double check the script before recording?
How much research have YOU done? He is guilty. Listen to all 16-18 hours of The Prosecutors, all 13+ hours of Crime Weekly (9 pts.), & read ALL the court docs & then you’ll realize what the rest of the world finally sees now-Serial picks & chooses pieces to focus on, same w/ most docs out there (HBO), & they show you a POV. It is in no way unbiased-all of those are incredibly one-sided. Did the PD eff this initial investigation up? Absolutely!! But Adnan IS GUILTY. I can tell you all that after I listened to those 2 series I mentioned above, I 1000% changed my mind about his guilt. They are unbiased when they go over the evidence, & save their theories for the very end. When you hear all the holes in the other suspects, or makes it crystal clear the only suspect is Adnan.
@@thomasahearn4142she was incorrect. Her statement is off by a day according to the weather records.
BTW-his conviction was REINSTATED a few months ago bc the Baltimore DA (who is currently being investigated for a ton of her fraud/wrongdoings), did NOT follow procedure is “tossing out” his conviction. So right now-he is free-but still guilty of the murder. There’s a good chance they will call it null bc he has done enough time in prison to qualify for parole. But make no mistake-he is still guilty. Vacated, then ultimately reinstated.
Don't see why would Adnan do it. He would've known there are not many suspects, and that it would be easy to catch him, and It would ruin him.
I live in EC and dated a guy who was in the magnet program with hae and adnan. I know this case start to finish, left and right. If anyone has questions im glad to help.
Interesting! What was his impression on what happened?
Yes please let us know what you think!
@@BadThingsTrueCrime he wasnt so into what happened, i dont think he really wanted to go there in his head, but he said adnan was a super friendly dude and friends kind of thought hae dragged him along before she dumped him. That’s about it from him.
I encourage you all to watch The Case Agaisnt Adnan Syed, its a super thorough docuseries and unbiased investigation that to date is prolly as good as its going to get. Jay recants his story on camera and admits the state forced his statement by holding a drug charge over his head. Jen changes her story and claims she didnt know the state told others she said things she claims she never did, you learn haes car was found in the backyard alley of jays cousin months after the death, you learn theres an eye witness of adnan being in the library during the time the state says hae died- said person was a friend to both hae and adnan and remembers specifically because she had to leave at a certain time for practice or something and remembered looking at the clock when talking to adnan, she stand on that hill to this day. Theres also a thoriugh investigation into the states detective and prosecutors corruption on this case and others, they are no longer allowed to practice in Maryland due to it, and to think they did this shit to high school kids too 🥸 many things brought out in that series that give you perspective. I suggest watching.
Lets hear your view?
This is a tough one, listening to the time line makes it seem there is no doubt but the Serial pod cast makes the opposite conclusion. This is one of those cases where he probably is guilty but not beyond a reasonable doubt. Just an opinion on my part and sadly no justice for the murdered girl or her family
The jury found guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and they heard all the evidence. I will trust their judgment over people who were not there and are basing their judgment on snippets from a podcast or 5 minute RUclips video.
@@charliewilson3390 That same court released him and threw out his conviction. The prosecutors no longer stand by their conviction.
@@jrsherwood1983 nope, no court has ever deemed him to be innocent. The DA vacated his conviction under very sketchy circumstances, massive difference.
1:22 "the area was known as a place where bodies are buried" ???? What, is this the local forest where everyone goes to bury bodies? (did AI write this narration?)
No, i live in baltimore and leakin park is where alot of bodies are found every year. Its a huge place and much of it out of the public view. So routine to find bodies left there that the news rarely reports them anymore. Bodies are usually just dumped in woods, not buried. Crazy but true. Its like a state park, that big and forested.
Read up about Leakin Park. True crime junkies know this spot well as being a dumping site.
Thats wild! I had no idea
Literally almost 70 bodies have been dumped there. If you know the geography of Baltimore and consider there is more than 1 murder a day there, it’s really not a lot
I also believe adnan is guilty. the only reason he got out is because of the serial podcast. He is also handled with kid gloves because he is muslim. I hope he is returned to prison soon,because hae min lee and her family at least deserve that. Jay may also be more involved. Great video.
I agree he was guilty, but interestingly felt his Muslim status made the cops harder on him. Don by comparison seemed to be given a pass from the beginning which felt like it was from his race. There’s obviously no evidence to fit the Don theory, but it seems so weird how quickly they dismissed him into the investigation
Are you serious? He was stereotyped BECAUSE he was Muslim. 🤦♀️ idiot.
He got out because dna evidence tested last year did not corroborate adnan. Rabia Chaudry is his cousin and also his attorney and she made that happen, along with other counsel. Had nothing to do with serial.
It had a lot to do with the publicity of both serial and the woke DA in Baltimore. This is a shame and failing of the justice system. I feel for Hae’s family.
@@TheKrisb25they only tested shit that was in the car and she wasn't even wearing the shit they tested. A pair a shoes she wears at school will of course have loads of dna on it. So dna shit they tested proved nothing. His ass is guilty. He is the biggest liar and hope he ass goes right back to jail.
Sarah Koenig should be ashamed of herself. People like that are complete sociopaths.
Abdoustly agree. How she has any credibility is shocking. I could barely listen to her and had to turn it off. " he's just so nice and with big eyes, could he really do a murder" its like the dumbest statement. Her and the Muslim attorney should be sued and disbarred
OG Day of Jihad
He killed her.