Renault 5 GT Turbo vs Golf GTI Mk2 - 80s Hot Hatch Shootout Reloaded!
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- By the mid 1980s, the hot hatchback game had evolved, the class-leading Golf GTI now in its second generation to step yet further ahead of the competition. However, Renault's flawed but feisty 5 GT Turbo offers more power for similar money these days, so could it be the better bet...?
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0:00 Intro
0:56 Renault 5 GT Turbo
4:42 Golf GTI Mk2
9:21 Which Is Best? 
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Had my R5 GTT 12 years from 1991 to 2003 . Lowered and just a bleed valve it ran faultless covering 92000 miles .
I loved my 5 Turbo so much back in the day, not so much the clutch pedal as cable kept coming off, had five GTI Golfs since, but 5 Turbo is the one I smile about
Lol that clutch cable, nightmare when the pedal suddenly hits the floor, but with practice it’s took minutes to fix
Shedding a little tear for my dearly departed tornado red big bumper GTi 8 valve 😢
Mk2 all day long, still own 90’ oak green 16v! had it 23yrs now
I had red 1989 GT Turbo back in 93 for about 5 years. Fortunately my brother was a Renault technician so he knew all the issues. I kept it standard so never really had major issues. I wish I never sold it. Such a great pocket rocket.
Mine blow up and the parts would fall off a great deal, like the suspension part, driveshaft etc.
Still loved the thing
I'm from 1977 , first time watched a R5GT Turbo was in 1985 a red one at 8yo ^^ dad had a lot of r5 ,5ts ,gtl ,alpine(gordini in UK) , alpine turbo (gordini turbo) and Gt turbo ^^ the noise the smell etc ... all of this car is in my brain hard drive ^^
Hello from Belgium )
@@madjidhamdini8114 1975 I'm self, from Britain :). It's was a great car at the time, as hot hatches were quite new to me as well and the noise, look, excitement etc.
All the rest xr2/Supersports, gti were common but these not so much which made them much more desirable.
@@itisjustacomment Yesss ^^ we're lucky to know the good time (80s) music clothes and cars :) turn on the engine ,put a "cassette" from Eurythmics and enjoy !
@@madjidhamdini8114 I still have my Eurythmics albums :).
I can still remember picking up my brand new Pearl white GT Turbo back in ‘89. Swapped it for a green 205 1.9 gti a year later….still wish I had both now
Both great cars. Yeah if you had kept them, wonder what they would be worth today. A fortune I expect.
I owned crashed and wrote off a 5gt and a 205 1.9 gti
My father had both and now he's passed the mk2 gti onto me.
@@Blackmamba12345 lucky you…I had a big bumper Oak green Mk2…another car I wished I still had
@@nickegan3988 considering rate of inflation, storage maintenance, not a right lot.
Surely the Renault 5 turbo should be fighting against the Fiat Uno Turbo that's if they haven't all turned to brown dust lol , any how still nice to see 80s classic hot hatches and in good condition :)
Both H's, 91. The last of their kind :D
Uno turbo ie. or a polo g40.
i saw a purple fiat turbo convertible last year. i was gob smacked \o/
Loving the old skool theme🥰🥰
I really miss it!!
My mum (Italian) had the uno turbo ie mk1, dad an ur quattro 10V and a friend at the time, the fiat strada abarth 130tc!
Try to find one of those that's still road worthy, lol...
I own a GR Yaris now🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Arguably, I'm harking back to my youth, trying to find that lighter car recipe but with the added modern day benefits, pre eco shite! 😊😉
My 1st car was an 8v 3dr Mk2 GTi and that was me hooked! 3 red 16valvers next and now I'm in a Corrado 16v. Still love the Mk2. Great video boys.
Thanks Bobby, we’re big Corrado fans!
I still have my first car, mk2 valver ❤️😍
The GTi for me!! Had one many years ago exactly the same as the one here and it was amazing!
Awesome things, aren’t they?
@@ClassicsWorldUK yes they were! Also had an MkI and a 16V MKIII...
Excellent video! And absolutely right what they say! Had a GT Turbo beginning of the 90’s and bought one again 3 years ago. In summer I drive the 5 GT Turbo in the weekend as explained in the video and I also absolutely love it. Got a 993, boxster s, 986 CS and cayenne turbo but I just love my GT turbo as this one puts a big smile on my face.
Ha!.... I had 2 GT Turbos. First one was knackered. The second had a new engine and 3 head gaskets! I traded it in for the MK2 Gti. Never looked back and never let me down. GT Turbo was fun, but never knew when it would let me down which was unnerving. Ive had a MK2 valver and they are an absolute blast! Miss it!
@luminor007 both standard. First one was a bad buy. The second off a specialist who i traded the first one in for. Just unreliable. I had 2 Gordini Turbos before and the engines on them were bomb proof! Just suffered from rust.
The pushrod engine in Renault is so smooth when the turbo chimes in - loved mine !
Great video 😊 both Fantastic fun cars, I have a MK1 Golf GTI and have recently bought a Renault 5 GT Turbo. Smiles per miles every time 😃😃😃😃😃😃😃 love them both so much 👍
The MK2 may have been my favourite Golf but the R5 GTT is the car I've wanted since I was a child. My first car was an 1108cc R5 and my dad owned 4 R5s. When it came to hot hatches in the 80s the Pug 205 GTi an the R5 GTT just seemed to somehow make the competition look like the warm up act.
My heart said the R5 turbo but my head said 205 Gti, I went with the 205 in the end. I wish I'd listened to the heart. Anyway 20+ years on I can't afford either now.
Brilliant!!
I also loved the dalek! R5 GT Turbo. But, head said 205 GTI in 1.6 guise!
Was still a brilliant car but it likely missed the theatrics of the R5 and the charm of the fiat strada abarth 130tc, when not rusting in front of your eyes.
Those twin webers 🥰
That Golf was my old car!Nice to see it still running.Had it for 151/2 years.A few alterations since l had it,but still recognisable from when l had it,even some of the stickers are still there.Hope it's still running,and as enjoyable for the current owner as it was for me!
My Dad had a red Renault 5 GT turbo back in the day and its still on the road. He sold it in the mid 90s. Luckily I've tracked down who owns it now so lovely to know its in safe hands.
Mk2 golf Gti for me
Love these cars and both put a smile on your face.
I had a highly moded. R5 turbo in 94 , was like a rocket , and my brother had a mk1 and mk2 golf , mine had a hybrid turbo , ,,quickest car to a ton ,I’ve ever had , including a moded wrx, sti, and a moded z350 Nissan , took me down memory lane , cheers lads , Shane uk 🇬🇧
I had a R5Gtt in 1993 (H404 NTG) and you would need something decent to beat one at the time
First time I saw a white GT turbo racing a white nissan Silvia in Blackburn 88 . Police had shut down a party and Everyone had gathered in the town centre .Loved them ever since
I had a pearl white 5 turbo after a black Metro turbo. To this day both were fantastic cars. I was told that they strapped a turbo on the 1.7ltr engine out of the GTL when developing the GT Turbo. It twisted the frame so they went with the 1.4ltr.
I drove plenty of Golf GTi's when I worked at a VW dealer, I bought a 205 GTi. Meanwhile my now wife had a Mazda MX3 V6 in Germany, before we met. That is a rare little gem.
They are quite different cars, and there is something to be said for both. The GTI is more grown-up, but the GTT is more fun in my experience,
How much was the 5 turbo when you bought it?
I had two Renault 5 GT turbos. They were awesome. It was a scream of laughter. There were a few flaws but possibly the best value car for performance and cost in the UK in the 80’s and 90’I owned and drove a number of other hot hatch’s as well.
Having owned both these in the past they were so very diff! R5 GTurbo Tungsten grey was this colour same as the one I had t was fiddled with higher boost etc it went like a stabbed rat used to frighten me to death! Was bad for cracking piston liners bad weak point on those 1.4 engines. VW Golf GTi mine was red not as quick but so well built and what an engine you hit 5500 rpm al day and it just laughed. Only prob was they suffered from water ingress on the rear arches but both iconic 80's cars fond memories! Try to find either today to buy as a toy and their prices now are eye watering. They're worth more now than when a few years old!
Had many r5's they are my favourite of all time, plan on getting another in the next few years as a project.
Had a Pearl white GT turbo in ‘87, very fond memories….. 😀😀😀
Had a G plate blue raider Renault 19 alloys , lowered full magnex exhaust , bleed valve , dump valve , alloy intercooler loved it back in 95-96
Renault for me too. But what about that 205 Gti!!?
I would love to drive a GT Turbo again, but would rather own Golf GTI. Funnily enough I used to own a Golf GTI that had the steering wheel from Renault 5 Turbo.
I used to have the 11 turbo which had the same engine as the 5, it would have blown xr3i, s of the road, I actually loved the turbo lag and the sound of the whistle
Gt turbo is the dream
That Renault 5 In this video used to be mine, I sold it to red line competitions a few years ago.
Have a 2.0 8v and a 16v mk2 here; 16v would have been a better comparison with the R5. 😁 great video guys 👍
I actually think the first hot hatches were the Lotus Sunbeam and maybe the Vauxhall Chevette HS, I could be wrong though guys?
Had a GT Turbo Raider special edition. The one with the blue wheels. Loved that car, it did break down though. But christ it was fun to drive.
Awesome car, Nick!
I had a Raider too 😁 I loved that car, bought with 75k on the clock, sold with 87k, no trouble at all. Had 3 GTT's, the others gave me headaches...
No Contest.... R5GT Turbo every time
Had an H reg 5 GTT, same colour as this one. Miss it more than any other car. Seriously looking at another to store and use for dry days.
Owned booth these new at end of 80s. A golden era.
I bought a pearlescent 1988 white r5gtt in Halifax on Xmas eve 1993. Was driving upto Sunderland straight after buying it. Clutch cable died after about 20 miles. 😂🤣😂 Mine had a fair few issues over the next 4 years but I haven’t had as much fun in anything since. Would love one again.
not direct competitors when new? what the 2 best hot hatches? for sale at the same time
Fond memories of my wife’s 5GT Turbo from 1991 it felt very quick for the time
I remember back in the day few people were brave enough to take on a 5GTT. Still quite rapid today even for a fwd car. Flawed yes but fast. The Golf though.....
In one word..... "dependable".
A few more pounds of boost & a couple supporting mods takes one of these to another level.
My God...memories.... I had two GT turbos, two 1.9 gtis, a 205 1.3 rallye. We used to squeeze the throttle like theres no tomorrow...
I had a mk2 golf gti 16v, R5 gt turbo, metro turbo, maestro turbo and a 1.6 205 gti in my time and they were all amazing, terrible, fantastic, fun and terrifying in equal measure. I still love my hot hatches (currently have a cupra 290) but loved the old 1s more for their rawness and pure nuttiness. Modern cars are obviously 'better' but they isolate you from the driving experience. If I could have 1 of the old 1s now I'd have the golf 16v or the 205. My R5 gt turbo was as unreliable as hell. It blew a turbo and had all sorts of other maladies so I only had it about a year before I got sick of it but when it was behaving it was such fun to hammer along b roads. Virtually no power by todays standards but it felt amazing.
Same with me I had an R5 for about 6 months just about everything that could go wrong with it did all your problems and then some but yes when it was going well what a car.
I had a GT Turbo-nasty little car. Made of thin metal. If you crashed it was game over. Always attracted the attention of the cops too.
With a bit of headwork and a cam etc the 8v was decent enough, great chassis 😎👌 you couldn't go to the shop and back in an r5turbo without boiling it🤣 good fun tho, few friends had them and they really did fly. I've had mj1 2 and 3 golfs
Would have loved to have seen a certain 205 GTI as part of this test... but have to agree, I'm sure the Golf GTI is highly capable but quite clinical. I'm also surprised at the 0-60 being sub 9 seconds, my old Volvo 360 GLT could keep up with an 8v GTI if launched hard back in the day - much to their surprise 😃
If i could find a Volvo 360 GLT in good condition i would pick it up in two seconds. It was a little bit heavier than a Golf but that proven redblock was solid and RWD made it fun mostly in snow.
@@drumtumI still have one for nostalgia reasons, there's a certain amount of rose tinted glasses from driving them 20 years ago but it's good fun!
I was going to buy a Golf back in the day but drove one (mk2 16v) and didn't think it was all that impressive. Nice but not really all that fast or interesting. Then I drove a gen2 GTT like the one here and handed the money over. There's nothing like an old school turbo when it wakes up and pushes. The sound, the feel and even the performance made the Golf seem very plain.
Of course I wasn't so happy when it blew up not long after I got it. And then again not long after it was rebuilt.
I also didn't care for its love of letting water in when it rained (never found the leak but presumed the sunroof) and the steering was a bit shady with its weighting where it would change as you went through its motion.
For all that though it had some of the best seats I've ever sat in, red carpets and just made you feel great when taking it for a thrash.
I had both, The GT Turbo was fun the GTI was bland with bad handling, not much power and crap brakes.
Great video, but you should have got hold of a mk3 VW Polo G40 to compare the R5GTT with. Similar CC, one turbo, one supercharged. Would have been a great comparison
owned a 1989 GT Turbo from 91-97 was phase 1 chipped and 2.5 stainless exhaust other than that looked standard as it should do, i did all my own services and took it in for two recalls at Renault it was so fun yet panicked on the leaded petrol was not being sold, sold it for 2.5k with 44k on the clock other than a few minor issues it was mint, to see a mint one now in that condition i had it would be silly money now
We would all love to see these hot hatches doing drag races at end.
Wish l still had it to be honest,but have now got an OTTO one in 1/18,so a lasting reminder.
I had a drive of a friends Golf GTI 16v and it felt so incredibly slow compared to my Astra GTE 16v. My GTE had way, way better low down torque and way, way better high end too. The only thing that actually felt better was that it felt more solid build wise. But it just had no excitement or fun in comparison. I've never driven a 5 GT turbo but it has to be way more fun to drive, all that with only a tiny little 1.4 8v! Alas, they were built out of tin foil and even back in the 90s they were becoming a rare sight (especially with owners turning up the boost without bothering to strengthen the engine first!)
A friend had a mk3 GTi - it couldn’t keep up with my Alfa 145 1.6 T Spark
@@simonhodgetts6530 yeah, thats why they had to put the 2.8 VR6 engine to make those quick. The GTI kept getting slower until they started putting the 2.0 turbo lump in (mk4 or even mk5?)
@@davekennedy6315 mk4 GTI was 1.8t or an underpowered 2.0 n/a that wasn’t even badged GTI outside the UK. Build quality was good but the MK5 2.0 TFSI was the true return to form.
@@simonhodgetts6530 the 8v mk3 was slow. The 150bhp 16v was better though. Alfa sounded better than both.
Had a Rosso red mk2 XR2 then a G reg MK2 Golf GTI 8v had it for 7 years before being rear ended by a 19 year old in a Shogun jeep...i said to him you know how long I had this, he said yeah I use to see you driving it when i was going school...
See as a second or third car to keep in the garage as a modern classic the R5 has more appeal against the golf. Back in the day as a do it all car (I.e. a hot hatch!) the golf was in a different league. Still fun but way more refined and nicer to drive.
People say hot hatches were ruined, and I would agree quite a few were modified to a point of "form over function". But these two icons were prime examples and possibly the reason for the modified/custom scene.
The lil frenchie became a little tyre scorcher with a bleed valve and straight through. There tiny animals with some choice modifications, in my mind I don't desire a bone standard r5 turbo. I want the 200hp k-tec sorted one like my buddy had, feckin lunacy on wheels. Only car I've been in that passenger's shoulder touches the drivers, there tiny and them arches are iconic
The mk2 started the whole dub scene back in the 90's, while it's gotten a bit ridiculous fashion wise you can't deny the creativity and workmanship that went into the crazy projects. A "slammed " mk2 on tasty wheels still looks tough as. But it was also handling orientated back then not just for static looks. Even a 8v with a decent driver can be a very fun car. But these cars could accept a variety of funky engines too. When the 8v is too lazy, instead of tossing it aside why not 20v turbo it, or vr6 people used to hold onto cars.
I also like to point out that the mk2 golf is one of few cars with a body flaw from factory. The swage line on both c pillers are different. I think it adds character
The mk2 didn’t start the 90s vw scene.
The mk1 did
Had a mk2 gti in the 90s and it was just a fantastic car to drive...
I'll take the R5 all day long. I actually hated them bitd, but with retrospect it's the classic hot hatch I'd most like in my garage.
Give me the GT Turbo any day of the week. Bought mine new in 1986 Pearl Metallic White....wish I still had it today! 😭
However, if I remember correctly, the phase one was actually quicker to 60 mph than the phase two, not the other way around.
Cheers. 😊😎🎸🇬🇧🇺🇦
Having owned both these exact models back in later 1980s from new, the Renault wins hands down - Golf was good but forgettable, the 5 turbo has left a lasting memory in my 75 year old head!
When are you going to do a piece on the daddy of all the hot hatches, the uno turbo
Had both , GTi just wins for me
Would you own one today, Ade?
@@ClassicsWorldUK would love one
I have had two of each aside from build quality the GT Turbo is better in every way, better performance, better handling , steering and brakes. The golfs are reliable but as exciting as uncooked pastry, while the GT Turbo is a shot of tequila
I'd love to know if F101 TJH, a black 5 GTT, is still doing the rounds - I doubt it). I had it for 8 years from 1990 (and three clutch cables!). The go-kart of the roads back then.
type is my car taxed into Google, go on the government website and type the reg, that will tell you if its still taxed and mot'd, if its not it maybe dead, it could be parked and sorn thow
@@paulageorgia7239 thanks for that. I've checked and it's taxed and MOT'd to Oct '21, 32 years on! Now all I need is access to the police national computer... kidding.
My trainers do not weigh 850kg. Even my work trainers with steel toecaps don't weigh that much. They might weigh 1.5, but not 850
Yes, Clarkson had ensured that such silly comparisons must be made. Good cars and review though.
I had an H reg tungsten grey GT Turbo in ‘96, can’t remember the rest of the reg so it’s entirely possible this is my old car, probably not though, mine had a damaged passenger door when I sold it. Of all the cars I’ve owned the one I’d really love to own again is the GT Turbo.
what about the Fiat Uno Turbo IE or the Daihatsu Charde GTTi both overlooked
I had a GTTi, loved it but as an apprentice on £3 per hour it ruined me
I had the 5 Turbo. It was such a laugh. Especially after BBR got hold of it! Went through a few clutch cables and electrical relays though…
Lol me too!!
Reggie 5GT every time I had a tungsten grey H plate minter and have regretted selling every day since…….
Back to the 80s, great cars, great music and optimism not like it is today. Rolling computer systems without emotion and today people bad mood are all just negative
I miss my GT turbo, it's a shame as the turbo blow and made a complete mess of the engine all around.
Ended up buying a Nova GTE, oh the shame.
No one considering a Golf gti would of even considered a R5 GtTurbo. The price difference was huge, they attracted very different buyers. The 5 competition was Uno turbo, 205 gti, charade turbo etc.
The 205 GTi 1.9 was like a Renault 5 on steroids but still flimsy, the golf is built like a tank which I like, like that someone brought up the Uno turbo that was a mad little thing! Does anyone remember the Strada 130tc?
I owned a 4 year old Golf Mk2 16v in 1990/91. Journalists raved about it. More astute observers noted that the performance of the standard 1.8 non 16v was more accessible, whereas you had to rather wring the 16v to get the extra performance. Also, some years prior, I rented a Peugeot 205 GTI 1.6 for 10 days. For me, a far more fun, and enjoyable car to drive than the Golf GTI. So, no, I disagree that the Golf was ".... yet further ahead of the competition...". It was OK, but I never really missed it when it was gone, or have any significant great memories of it.
I had a 1990 FIAT UNO TURBO in Red and stupidily sold it for a Renault 5 GT Turbo Raider great car but broke my heart with electrical problems
I adore the 5 GT Turbo
For me it's the gt turbo I've had both well the 16v i also had a GTE 8/16v and put them both in a field not brilliant handling cars 😬🤣 obviously tuned the gt turbo up because that's u did back in l8 90s erely 00s and it was so quick and really fun to drive sold it to my friend who crashed it 🙄 gutted I got an st220 after that both the gt turbo and the st 220 still hold a special place in my heart the golf was just another car 🤷♂️
They where the day's boys 😛
The comments indicate the 5T is the winner but the 205GTI 1.9 was the King . French hot hatches are incredible values!
Had both and loved them, but golf all day long unless there’s a 205 about
I had both and I would go for the GT Turbo everytime over the GTI.. The only way that it was better was build quality , as a fun car the GT Turbo gets it. Funny how differnet people like different cars. I was really uninspired driving the GTI's
@@markgriff9053 my 5 was tuned and always wanted to kill me. Great fun but got tired using it as a daily. My last golf was built by me at a much older age and was how I wanted it. Probably the main reason for my choice.
Review the peugeot 205 1.9 gti please.
Check our previous videos, Greg, we have reviewed the 205 GTI!
I had two GT Turbo's and two GTI's , The golf I always felt was really over ratted. The handling and brakes were not really precise either. However the quality was far better than the GTTurbo. The GT was faster and handled , but tricky on the limit. If I could have one again I would have the GT turbo. Aside from reliability, they were the best of all the hot hatches of the day. I had an RS Turbo that was chipped back then which was alot quicker than the standard car , but again handling was just ok the brakes under heavy use had nothing but brake fade.
Debo reconocer que el GTI es y será la referencia del segmento y honor a quien honor merece. Mucho más confiable. predecible y de mejor conducción peeeeroooo el GT turbo amén de averías eléctricas y algunas cosas más era el que más me gusta por estilo y diseño.
Apart from image and build quality the GT turbo totally eclipsed the Golf GTI in all driving dynamics.
For me the R5 GTT.
The GT turbo was great fun and fast in its day but they did like to eat head gaskets.
To beat it, you need the 16v gti, they were bomb proof reliable, posted the same 7.5 to 60 but the 16v golf was faster to 100mph by a 1.5sec and it was faster top speed.
Put a turbo on the vw 16v= 500hp
@@fastinradfordable modified arguments are pointless because there isn't an end.
Swift gti was a great car. Also uno turbo ie. polo g40.
Love the Renault 5 😍
Had all the cars my best was the Nissan pulsar or the 205.19gti
I've always been a vw guy but can't say no to a 80s turbo car
Launched in 1971, the Alfasud beat the Golf to the game by three years it was met with widespread acclaim, the 'Sud showed the motoring world a small car doesn’t have to be an uninteresting drive.
Nobody has even mentioned the Honda Crx vt ???
160bhp back in 1992, I had a silver J plate.
They were 150 bhp
The Golf didn’t break down. The 5 did. They ate turbos and were a nightmare to start when hot. The Golf can also pull from 1000 revs in 5th gear. The bottom end torque is unbelievable.
I had a phase 1 in the day, absolutely no problems whatsoever and it was thrashed. I could have been lucky.
@@wessmith3161 my friend had the Phase 1 Cobra too. Ate turbos.
@@raftonpounder6696 overall I would agree the golf being the better car, it just wasn't manic and exciting enough. I had to comment on this as my mother incidentally had the same golf at that time, although a 5 door version.
@@wessmith3161 i owned a 1.9 205 GTi when he owned the 5. The Peugeot was the best out of all of the hot hatches of that time.
R5 all day long
I tried to buy the Renault back when I was 18 it was only 2k but they wanted 5k for insurance so I didn’t end up with it wish I had tho
The golfs the dependable wife, the r5 gtt is the dirty bit on the side.
My car of this era was a 1991 Renault 19 16V Series 1. Decent though flimsy thing
You really needed a 205 GTI in this test too
R11 Turbo Zender vs VW Caribe pls
Escort RS Turbo v something feature please
We’ll track one down and make it happen!