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Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R VS Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperSport RS VS Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R - Tested
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2020
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The Goodyear Eagle F1 SuperSport RS, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R and Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R are regarded as three of the fastest road-legal track day tyres in the world. To find out which of these three semi slick tires reign supreme, I've borrowed a 991.2 Porsche 911 GT3 RS, and have use of Michelin's tyre test facility in central France to run my own tyre testing program.
Not being satisfied with just running dry handling, I'm going to test the tyres in wet handling, dry and wet braking, and of course the all important dry handling, to find out which tyre is fastest in which conditions.
As always, any questions you have about the test, please feel free to ask in the comments, I do my best to answer everything!
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@@kasakasa5719 it's not a track tyre
I'm genuinely dissapointed in people for caring so little about tyres that they'll drive around on dry rotted winter tyres in midsummer.
This channel is super important, and it provides invaluable information that I genuinely find interesting and even fun.
It is stunning that so many people don't seem to care about tyres. They just stick whatever is cheapest and forget about them. Also, the amount of cars I've that have failed their MOT because of bald tyres is shocking.
Thank you 😊
@@setra23 and new cars get 3 years before an inspection... if only uk government had common sense instead of smart ideas!
Here in Florida all tires are summer tires 😂🤣😂
It is astonishing that people have decent cars and wrecked/cheap-o tyres. When I get out of my car in a car park, I casually look at the tyres and can barely believe the things I've seen.
The feeling from your car when you fit quality new tyres is worth the premium every time. Pulling out of junctions aggressively and the traction control remaining dormant is very satisfying, not to mention safe!
the hero we have but don't deserve
I love these kinds of videos comparing tyres. It's just amazing how tyres make such a huge difference to a car yet it's the thing people don't take care of, pay attention to or know about. I love shopping for new tyres and videos like these help to compare. Awesome.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@tyrereviews Hi , wich tyres with rim protection you gonna suggest me to get ,as I have 275 35 r21 ...and i don't know wich to get ! As I'm a taxi driver!
Thanks in advance!
I love how you characterise each tyre and explain which is suited for every desire. Brilliant!
Thank you :)
The Cup 2 R is there for you to go as fast as possible on a street legal tyre, whereas the Cup 2 is an all day semi slick that will be super consistent and last quite a bit longer.
It would be pleasant to use Cup 2R as street tires in Saudi Arabia😂
Goodyear f1 supersport is a fantastic tyre on my focus rs,
I see you also watch Robert Mitchel :p
I used both Cup 2 and the old PSS for both trackday and daily. The cup 2s were clearly superior on track, and even did ok on a wet track. They had half the life as a road tyre though. (2 sets of both used)
I’d imagine the cup2R and PS4 combination would be both better and more extreme in wet/longevity metrics
I don't want a fast tire, I want a fun tire; a tire that uses all the latest construction technology to give us the best steering feedback and break away characteristics, but without the focus on grip and lap times. I can't tell the difference between .95g and 1.07g, and I don't care; higher limits mean less time to enjoy the car. Make a 4S with 500 tread wear that I can enjoy on the street and not go broke.
Goodness, a tire nerd's wet dream. Time to settle in and start the work day right!
Still waiting on a more "budget" compereson of: Toyo, nankang, yokohama,.... vs cup 2
This!
Nokian as well... I'm very pleased
At least here in germany the Yokohama A052 is not eh more budget concussion version. But it is still my favorite semi slick (I have those on my BMW E36 M3). Nankang and Toyo kind of are. The Nankang are supposted to be really good, but i never ever have driven those. The Toyos are not really good. It is more sensible to buy the Michelin pilot 4s, then any of the Toyo semislicks. Equal performance, with longer tyre life. Furthere more thy are lot better in the wet.
@@amduser86 i drove the Toyo R888R and they are a lot better then the PS4 :-)
Well it’s easy. The Cup 2 will absolutely smash the others out of the park
The dry braking really shows off how good the Michelin tire is. It`s an impressive difference. Great Video!
Awesome, been waiting for the Pirelli review for so long!! Thank you!!!!
Cant wait to see an Cup 2 vs Trofeo R video 😁
I can't wait to do it!
word! I currently rock 295 and 325 trofeo R, but orderd cup2 to test, ran 295/335 R888 before this. I have to say the trofeo R has been amazing.
@@tyrereviews Throw in an A052 too...
Great review! The only thing you missed is the heat cycles. I'm not sure about the other two, but the Cup 2 R has a limited number of heat cycles. This is why for me, I go with the Cup 2 non-R version on my 991.2 GT3RS for lapping. That and the obviously short life span which isn't worth it since I'm not racing the car.
Weather didn't allow this :(
Amazing how you illustrate words with corresponding video cuts. Incredible work.
Brilliant video mate and huge congrats on the 100K Subs 👏
Legend!
I would love to see a chapter about tyre pressure, for daily drive, track, winter/summer... It's probably just as important as the tyres we use.
He said to me he's working on something like that
This is incredibly helpful and informative. I’ve been looking for a good tire for my GT4 for some track day (newbie) fun and this is certainly helpful.
Glad I could help!
I have the Michelin Sport Cup tires on my Vette. They stick like chewing gum to asphalt. But they suck in the rain. I had all season Pirelli P Zeros on my Dodge Challenger and they were a great all around tire even in snow.
I'm having a hard believing that about being good in the snow as someone that has spent my entire life driving in harsh winter conditions.
@@NorthernCommando I live in Chicago. I have a set of Bridestone Blizzak tires. Last winter I decided to keep the Pirellis on because the Blizzak tires are so soft they hamper performance quite a bit. It's a trade off for superb snow and ice traction. The Dodge I was driving had 500 hp and was rear wheel drive. With the Pirelli All Season P Zero Plus I drove in several snow storms. I out a 60 pound sand bag in the trunk to have more weight on the rear tires. I never got stuck. It was a bit squirrely on uphill roads covered in snow but on flat roads I had decent confidence. Good enough that I'll never buy another dedicated set of winter tires.
@@erickirshner2810 odd. I hear what your saying, I'm just not sure I'm smellin what your sellin.
@@NorthernCommando the Michelin tires I have on my Vette are similar to the tires tested in the video. Where you might be confused is the Pirellis I had on my Dodge aren't track tires. They're the all season plus version of the Pirelli P Zero tire. They have a tread pattern for driving in all seasons. They're not the semi slick tires like in the video.
Great video guys. Now we need "hpde tire test : Cup2 vs GY 3R Vs yoko A052! Thanks!
Working on it!
@@tyrereviews that is awesome. Thanks a lot!
Crazy you had the opportunity to test that. I bet that didn't feel like work ;)
Keep those reviews coming, we love them
Conti SC5 v Pirelli P Zero v Goodyear EF1 ASYM3 v Bridgestone S001 -- runflat test please!!!
J B No
@J B goo is terrible under performance conditions
Would be interesting but completely pointless - you simply do not use run flat tyres on track days if you are after any kind of performance so if you dont care about performance who cares about the tyres :)
I have a 991.2 GT2RS I have had breaking problems on the oily roads of Las Vegas. Your video helped I am buying the Perelli’s thank you!
The level of professionalism you exhibit in your videos is second to none, and without superficial, nonsense talk your revoews are kind of a tire gospel to me. Thank you
Thank you!
The fact that even when only talking about the Michelin and Goodyear he keeps coming back to the Trofeo R as as reference point, that really speaks volumes about the Trofeo.
This is the first channel that I hit the like button, before I even watch the video
Thank you :)
Love it!!! Been waiting for that duel (Cup vs Trofeo) for years. Great work and awesome that you got the wet handling too. Imo its just as intresting to know your tires limits in the wet as on dry. Most of us drives the car to the track, make our laps and then go home. Rain can come fast at any time of the day so, again, great work!
Another stunning video, no question left unanswered, thanks very much.
After watching one of your reviews, I purchased the GYF1SS for my Alfa QV and absolutely love them!
Thanks for this.
I waited 1 year super test tires :-)
Very interesting! People are in a war for horsepower and sometimes forget of the all important tires. The single point of contact of the car with the road or track! Subscribed!
Bridgestone RE-71r’s. Need to be looked at. Trust me.
The fact sanctioned race events ban them for lower class groups says a lot. I’ve got a set but haven’t had a chance to run them yet. But I’ve heard nothing but amazing things from drivers WAY better than my self.
Not available in Europe unfortunately
Karthoum what?! What a bummer. Wonder why not these tires are amazing.
I'm coming to the States and I'll try and test them
Tyre Reviews cant wait! My race class banned these due to the performance and not wanting the series to turn into a money contest. I bought them anyways and now have to run in the class 3 open class putting my 350z against GTR’s 😂
Yeah they're everywhere at top level autocross events. The Hankook RS4 is popular for more endurance.
Wow, thank you so much man, amazing test! Keep it up. Next one Dunlop Direzza and Yoko AE52
Great video, the Pirelli Trofeo R is the spec tyre for the UK time attack series for most of the lower classes. Glad to hear it's good haha
Awesome info. Thank you to all the parties involved in bringing this together to make it happen
You surely had fun. Greetings from Malaysia! Fantastic video as always. I like how you put the importance of "drivability" and fun in your tyre verdict criteria. I just installed Goodyear Asymmetric 5 on my BMW, it is such a wonderful tyre. Thank you for your recommendation and keep up the hard work!
Glad you're getting on with the Asym 5 :)
Thanks, great video as always, although I guess the majority of the watchers can't afford such a track toy and hence such tyres.
Interesting to see how much Michelin and Goodyear were worn against the Pirelli, I guess the latter has less soft compound? Would be great to talk more about behavior beyond their limit (if you just want to have fun and not necessarily chase lap times). 😊
While sliding around is great fun, these really arent the tires for it. They wear too quickly. Much better to have a set of regular Cup 2 or similar.
@@Talynen the thing is, some people turn all of the electronic aids off at the track, so oversteer is inevitable anyway. Even the tidiest driver will experience some oversteer in a Corvette Z06/ZR1, Shelby GT500, and most RWD cars for that matter. For people like me, knowing how controllable the car is going to be is an important data point when it comes time to push the car to and past its limits.
@@flyingphoenix113 Yeah, that's fair. I read the original comment as asking him to just discuss which tire is better for drifting, basically. Your interpretation, from what I can gather, reads more like "please discuss the breakaway characteristics and how easy it is to regain control of the car beyond the limit," which I thought the video did sort of address already. (e.g., the sudden and rather disconcerting oversteer the Pirelli displayed in wet handling).
@J B, just a fan of the man for his driving skills and of this era when crazy boys were pushing death machines to their limits 🙂
Never have I been this early. Awesome stuff as always
Outstanding video. Well worth the years hard work to get access to the equipment and track.
Hope you are safe and well
This channel and your website is such a gym!
I was looking forward to this! What a great test, props for organising this so well 👏
Glad you enjoyed it!
Will probably never do a track day but what an awesome insight into such tyres. Excellent
You should!
@@tyrereviews Too old, sold the performance car a while back, its 4 door comfortable German saloon car driving for me nowadays but as always with top quality tyres. 👍🏼
I always lauded your ability to talk through a hotlap. Glad you, too, are human in the end and found your nemesis. :D
Haha thank you, this was too much
Awesome test! Congrats on getting this done. Big props.
Thank you very much!
These videos satisfy my strange love of tires like nothing else. Really enjoy all these tests and the great mix of objective and subjective feedback. Huge appreciation for all the work it takes to put each of these videos together. Curious how the Michelin and Goodyear would do in a non oe application ie: would they still favor understeer and require heavy concentration?
Nothing weird about loving tyres. The balance of the non-oe tyres will be very vehicle dependant.
I'm a Michelin fan. Congratulations from Brazil
Let's be honest, I'm never going to buy these tyres, but just as it's nice to watch a video about supercars I'm never going to buy, this is amazing.
This also made me think about how much influence the tyres actually have on the handling. When car testers say that a car is, for example, understeery, could it be because of the tyres and not so much the car itself?
It's a bit like testing a tennis racquet without paying attention to what strings are used in it. Sure, you can get some idea, but the strings (or in this case tyres) might enhance or mask some characteristics. What do you think?
Definitely tyres have an effect, it's something oes should think about on their review cars
@@tyrereviews True, it should be up to the OEMs and not so much the journalists to check what tyres are on the review cars.
For sure car itself has a tendency for the balance. It depends on the general properties first then the suspension setting. A Porsche is naturaly oversteering due to rear biased weight. Then they adjust the suspension setting to balance the car.
@@florianfixman9604 And then, when you switch tyres without changing any setup, you'll probably alter the balance, which should be taken into account but isn't most of the time. That was my point.
@@Fred_P I agree. But on a road car it is difficult to change the setup of the car except the static geometry...
On racing car it is far easier and generally you have to do it.
Can I just say that apart from this being the review I've most been looking forward to ... Mich sidewalls outstanding in that finish! Amazing video mate!
If this was a sidewall test Michelin would own it
It’s good like the Pirelli’s sidewalls in F1
As always. A brilliant and surprising review. Congrats...loved it!
Good work as always! Sadly some of us will always be relegated to choose between the CUP2 and Tropheo R 😒.
*most of us given the sizes
Such an underrated channel
You legend. I’ve been waiting for this.
From the race track to the road! What a technology transfer! 😃
Once again a great review and staying impartial throughout! Keep up the good work 👍
Much appreciated!
Mate thank you for the videos - wish car reviews had this at the end
Best tyre review and best tyre review channel bar NONE. Love it. Keep them coming.
Wow, thanks!
@@tyrereviews what's your background if you don't mind me asking?
@@stevenross-watt8640 a long time ago I started in web development and digital marketing, it's taken 14 years working at tyres to get to this point
@@tyrereviews thanks. Interesting. What an achievement to get the point Porsche are lending you a GT3 RS and you are at the Michelin test facility. I'm sure you know but its an ideal balance of relatable technical detail and language a fellow petrolhead can absorb and understand that makes it the main channel to watch for tyres. Keep up the good work. Cheers. SRW
@@stevenross-watt8640 Thanks for the kind words, really appreciated 😁
1.4G braking!?!? My god these are pretty much racing slicks with tread just for decoration haha. Great video as always.
Please, repeat the test for the japanese tyres from Bridgestone and Yokohama. Something like Time Attack meets Touge.
This is a great idea! I second this!
Because those tyres are not best of the best, they're middle of the road. People want to know what the best tyre they can buy for a given use is, not some cheap ditchfinder.
@@1Dustin I think that for a lot of people those are not a cheap ditchfinder, but the only option. A good portion of enthusiasts does track days with a relatively regular car and not a GT3RS, and these top-tier performance track-oriented tyres are simply not available on the measure for their cars, differently from other brands like Bridgestone and Yokohama, also Toyo or even Nankang and Federal.
That would be just a different test suited for a different target (which btw includes also myself, because as long as I'd like to have a really performance-oriented tyre I have just an MX-5 and these top tier brand simply don't produce a tyre for me. I mean, if I'd had to stay with Michelin or GY I'd had to get an old tyre because even their latest uhp models like the Pilot Sport 4 or the Asymmetric 5 are not produced in my size)
@@ghezinho9049 Fine - buy the Pilot Sport Cup 2 and not the RS, and avoid the ditchfinders. You will find Michelin and Goodyear UHP in most normal car sizes. If you're driving an Mk1 MX5 with 10" wheels...then yeah, enjoy those ditchies!
Definitely worth the wait. Thank u for this thorough review 🙌🏿
Great stuff Jon, and what a car! I know you try to keep things brief and not plumb the depths of nerdiness, but hell why worry?
PS bought some Eagle F1s last year on your recommendation- cheers loving them & amazing value vs Mich’s and Bridges.
Glad you're enjoying the tyres and the videos!
Brilliant mate, pure tyre porn!
Great review. I compete in my GT3RS and have been using the Supersport RS tyres. The biggest issue is warming up the tyres then getting a clear lap immediately to set a fast time before the grip drops off. You only have one shot at it, but there can be up to 20 cars on track. If you get held up on your first hot lap you may as well have run Cup 2’s or similar and saved a lot of money as they last much longer. Cup 2 R’s are also significantly more expensive than the Goodyear’s here in Oz, but I’ve got one set so looking forward to trying them out shortly.
You have a nice life!
Are Supersport RS tyres crazy fast only 1st lap when they are new... or it's their behaviour every heat cycle? So after cooling them ca 1 hour in box... can you make the first lap super fast again?
@@tonous83 I feel they have given their best after one session and don’t come back from that. The grip definitely drops off after a couple of fast laps for sure. I have been using the Cup 2 R’s and find they don’t drop off with the grip as quickly as the Goodyears, but again, they are always best on the first session then drop off. Unless you’re competing your definitely better off with normal Cup 2’s I believe.
You supply me with a lot of new things to think about. Thanks. Safe motoring.
Thank you so much for these detailed tests. I'd like to see more truck and suv tire tests as I just got a set for my truck!
Working on truck stuff :)
Keep doing what you're doing dude! I love it.
That's the plan!
Will we ever get a budget trackday tyre test? You know with the off brands like westlake, nankang, achilles etc now that would be really interesting.
I'm trying, it's proving tricky to do anything at the moment
Yeah would absolutely interesting to see how good achilles tyre since they are quite affordable
I like to give thumbs up after learning something , and I enjoy this a lot Ty for sharing and taking time to bring good information
Awesome, thank you!
As a long time track day/amateur racing driver, I would totally pick the Pirelli -- which really surprised me because I tend to prefer Michelin over pretty much any other manufacturer. Stability is immensely important. I'll take that over 1 lap wonders any day.
Great video again. Love all these reviews. Any chance of a video comparing budget track day tires in smaller sizes 15's 16's 17's. For those of us with cheap run around who would like to do the odd track day but can't stretch to the bigger name brands.
Trying my best 😊
What's great about Ladoux's Michelin base is that the roads around are fucking epic of you want to do a road test too
And I agree about their dry track: you need to be incredible brave to extract everything in these super fast bends
GUN MAN great track tyre review, comes down to how soft you want your tyres, full race tyres in the DRY would be interesting cheers.
Bridgestone RE71R is the only NON R rated tire that can compete with real R rated tires, and here cost effective. We call them Cheaterstones, equlivwnt to Hoosier R tires
I would love to see an eco tire review/comparison/best eco tire video!
Ps: great video like always ;)
Due in a few weeks
I love tyres, I love this channel, I love your work. Keep it up!
Thanks, will do!
Another brilliant test!
I love summer track capable tyres!
Great channel!
Thank you very much!
Excellent content as always!
Much appreciated!
Yeah, uh, I need to do some tire tests too! So please porsche, send me gt3 rs for a day! Hell, I'll even take a regular gt3 haha
Great review and well done for an honest review while using Michelin’s test track.
Thanks! 👍
@@tyrereviews how many miles would a set be expected to do on the road and on a track? guessing a set is around £1k?
Best tyre reviewer on the web 👍
Best and only :D
Haven’t been on tires like these since the late 90’s. A032R’s were my favorite back then.
As usual, outstanding report.
That Pirelli is great. After some hot almost as quick, great wear and keeps you away from going over the limit. Nice tyre!
Hope a new test includes at least a ad08rs (of the old r) and a 595rs-pro. Would love to see you review them. Keep up the great work!
Working on it :)
@@tyrereviews Good news! Can't wait!
@@tyrereviews please add the Kumho Ecsta V70A too that test. Really want to see how much faster it is.
What a channel! New suscribed from Spain. Really good video.
Awesome, thank you!
A price comparison would have been interesting. at least for people who don’t own a Porsche GT3 RS
This video is a tyre enthusiast's wet dream!
A great review. I have a set of Trofeo Rs on my track car and agree with your sentiment re: longevity.
great video - any chance to test road legal Semi slicks like Pilot Sport Cup 2 vs. Yokohamas etc..?
Great review, keep up the good work 👌🏽
Are you saying that Michelin tires are better than anything else on a Michelin test track ? How mind-blowing ...
Btw how did you get the filming authorisations for the track? There's usually a few project cars there that no constructor wants to be seen
I have never liked the Pirelli tyres, but the trofeos are the best allround tyres. For trackday use where it can rain the Pirellis are the best.
I think i won't use semi slicks or slicks in rain cuz it won't grip as much so i would use racing rain tyres in rain and my tyre brand choice is michelin(for cars otherwise my choice is goodyear) cuz they have the best performance on sports cars and my general choice is Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R pirelli is just balance but i wanna break records so i have to use michelin
Thanks for the video!
Brilliant to see the detail and clearly fun too.
How many people did it take to run that day and all the wheel / tyre swaps?
It’s a shame Porsche will have a fit, should you book your car into the dealer on a non N marked tyre!
3 days and about 6 or 7 people involved
I would love to see Cup 2 R on the front and Trofeo R on the rear 🤔
Ive always wanted to know. How would a Cup 2 R go against something like an AO52 or R888R or RE71 or Ventus TD. Like those REAL trackday tires.
It would mince them, the R888R etc will be slower than the Trofeo R
The A052 will be very close to trofeo r on dry times,RE71R following and last the R888R
@@stavrossimGDB on wet a052 will be faster.
@@PIWO2237 I have A052 on my STi,this tyre is something special,it makes me smile when I hit the corners,but not tried them on wet so far.
@@tyrereviews good to know thank you
I'd love to see you do a different type of comparison: Street high hp straight-line tires (such as the Toyo 888R's etc) that also can take a corner as a secondary objective. 19" or 20"?
Excellent review as always 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Fabulous video, thorough testing, very informative and Pirelli is a clear winner for me here. Would it be possible to do a review of a more budget oriented road legal track day tyres like Federal 595 RS-R with a car like Golf-R or m135i? How many ppl have top of the line Porsche 911 to take to track days? 90% of track day crowd would love to know how budget tyres work with "regular" performance cars :)
Working on it 😊
once in china , i've seen a volvo XC90 with the pirelli trofeo R in winter , i was shocked
Amazing!
Wet handling:
- goodyear: 116.9 s
- michelin: 113.3 s
- pirelli: 106.4 s
Wet bracking:
- goodyear: 50,7 m
- michelin: 45,7 m
- pirelli: 38,1 m
Dry lap:
- Michelin: 64 s
- goodyear: 65 s
- pirelli: 65 s
Dry bracking:
- michelin: 43 m
- goodyear: 47 m
- pirelli: 47 m
Perfect! Thank you very much for including the weight :)
No problem 😊
It would’ve been interesting to see pilot sport 4S in this test
J B I’ve had cup 2 tires and now fitted PS4s on my Cayman GT4 and the difference on the Dry is not that marked, on the wet the PS4 on the other hand decimates the Cup2s
Top notch review. Really liked it. Thanks.
Much appreciated!