Does Higher Wear = More Grip? Treadwear Track Test Between Michelin, Goodyear and Toyo!
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- Опубликовано: 14 апр 2021
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UTQG tread wear ratings can play an important part in peoples tire purchase decision, especially for track day tires where the assumption is a lower treadwear means a grippier tire.
To test this, I buy five popular tires, with treadwear 300, 220, 180 and 100 UTQG ratings, and test them on track to see if a lower treadwear rating really does mean more grip!
The tires on test are the immensely popular:
Michelin Pilot Sport 4S UTQG 300 AA A
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 180 AA A
Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3 220 AA A
Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3R 100 AA A
Toyo R888R 100 AA A
This was tested at the fastest track in North America, Nelson Ledges in Ohio, using a Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE, which was a mighty impressive car!
Information on all these tires can by found on www.tire-reviews.com
Any questions please do ask below!
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Please, can you test the Nankang ar1 Tires?
These are used very often here in Germany at the Nordschleife.
Habe a great Day😋
Please, include the NS-2r as well. When doing tests on track focused tyres, can you provide info on the tyre overheating?
@@konholio2 ns2r have 3 different compounds. Street 180. track120 and race [80or 100].Street is nost popular and available in shops
What's the point in testing tyres with different speed rating and or different load index? That test is useless. Also because you don't give the info, it can only be seen in close up photos.
One tyre, the same model, year, factory, size but with different speed rating and load index, will behave differently.
I'm sure you know that.
@@biglightballI'm not sure of your point, these are the speed and load ratings sold in these tyres.
I love how you're not afraid to rip on the R888R on an online review. 👍
Why would anyone be afraid?
The fanbois of the tyre will be mad
They never gripped enough for me.
@@tyrereviews I honestly think people obsess over them just because of the tire design...they're attractive tires and very unique. I still find it hilarious when I see someone using them on a street civic 😂
@@Jon-nz3dm and on track they have very small numbers of heat cycles so it is still look like new and perform like plastic wheel ... It is tire for show no go but it is good that they exist you automatically know that owner of that car is not performance driver ;)
I think the internet loves the R888r more so for roll racing then its track performance. For whatever reason, it seems to be able to hook big HP cars nearly as well as a drag radial from a roll, but still have the sidewall stiffness to be stable at speed, handle half decent, and have more tread life then a drag radial on the street.
this is it exactly. no one who knows will willing run an 888 on track. they should have tested the nitto nt01 in this test instead of an r888r as that is an excellent dry weather track tire.
i am looking for a tyre that is able to handle 700Hp on roll races (FWD) , i wonder which one is better Sport cup 2 or R888R?
@@giwrgosamanatidis2148 r888r for sure but at 700hp fwd you're gonna have a challenge not spinning
@JR5646 I really agree with what you're saying
I'd say it's a good overall tire, like it seems to do a little bit of everything and i like it. Good for rolling races, decent in corners and has more durability than a drag radial
Would it then be acceptable to put R888R’s onto the rear of a car with Rt660 (200tw) in the front? Can’t hook under 65.
I'm actually happy about your comments on the r888r. All the bros love them for no reason. I'm especially happy about the 3r as I just ordered a set!
Let me know how you find the 3R :D
R888R are popular with high horsepower cars (over 600hp) specially supra, twin turbo lambo/vipers & most of them have 1000HP minimum. R888R are also much stable at high speeds compared to Drag Radials & R888R can take a corner decently vs DR just forget about corners lol.
@@wd8005 But there are better options on the market
@@wd8005 ....They also need heat more than the others. Like north of 190° heat to really grip. Not sure he got them there.
@@ttiization i know this is an old comment but they hook like a drag radial for digs and rolls and have much more high speed stability and cornering ability than a drag radial so that's their main use
I adore your reviews. arrange everything, the level of consistency, chat while driving. Then review. Superb. You should be proud of what you can do. My purchases really are based on this channel
Thanks a ton!
One of the reasons, why R888R are so popular is their availability in smaller sizes. There is maybe one other semi-slick available in 14 - 16" size, which is Nankang AR-1. Nobody else makes small size performance tires.
you nailed it
I was going to say because it looks boxy and super meaty thus all the highend widebody builds use the tire for looks.
Performance wise it lacks
Nankang AR-1 is way better though. I ran them both in the same size, on the same car, on the same track.
@@SaturdayWinter there are tests on youtube, the r888r isnt lacking in performance
Betol
13:17 "It's gonna be a really _Good Year_ for tyres". Pun intended or not? ; )
I'm not that smart sadly, good spot though!
Caught that! Love it
My RE71R's with 200 TW were amazing. The grippiest tires I've ever felt. They're heavy, but it's because they're so stiff and solid for cornering.
Another mega video mate, could watch your stuff all day... The Supercar 3 sounds spot on, shame we can't get them in the UK 😂👌🏁
Ah, so they're North American only? I was a bit confused as to where they fit in compared to the SuperSport and SuperSportRS.
I think SC3 like SSR, tbc
So the Super Car 3 are in a higher range than for example bridgestone potenza sport?
@@alessandrofilippini6598 Yes. Supercar 3 is an Extreme Performance Summer. Potenza Sport is a Max Performance Summer. Extreme Performance has more dry grip but gives up some wet grip, NVH, and wear longevity to get it. The Max Performance category is the most well rounded street tire. Extreme Performance are typically used for autocross events or as track tires that can still be used on the road.
The gold standard on tyre reviews, great review again, thanks. I may have missed it though, but would be interesting to see the 3R vs. the Cup 2R
It would be :)
The effort and resource that you put into the channel and videos is unmatched.
Take credit in it big time.
Thank you :D
Fantastic review as always. Thank you for putting out the high-quality content I've been trying to find for years!
Glad you enjoy it!
This info was exactly what I needed. My Nitto NT01s, which I really liked, were done in by my last track day (2008 Corvette Z06). The NT01s have been on backorder for over a year, so I had to look at other options. Choices for my tire sizes are very limited. It had to be something that performs well/consistently on the track, not wear out crazy fast, and that I could be happy with on the street too. Based upon your findings and comments, the choice was easy. I'll have a fresh set of the Supercar 3s in a bit over a week. Thanks so much for the helpful video. Well done!
Great video as always! Be great to see a budget performance tyre test, recently purchased triangle th201 and am blown away by the performance for $$
Perfect explanation and yes I know the Goodyear was built for the Camaro but an explanation as to why it is built for this car was what I needed. Thumbs up and subcribeded!!!
Loved reading the articles on the site and now loving the YT content.
Thanks Tyre Reviews 👍
Glad you like them!
Thanks for a great video. You are the first one with the balls to say the almighty 4S is numb and vague. I put the 4s on my 997.2 carrera and hated them so immediately removed them to reinstall my N1 Potenza setup. The
I've been telling Michelin this for years now, I hope they've listened for the next version :)
What are the N1 potenza's? I got a M4 running pilot super sports which are in need of changing very soon and I'm trying to go a different direction away from Michelin. To one of the less 'hyped' brands
@@supaahflyy I prefer Cup 2 for the track. Coz it never overheated for me
@@supaahflyy i changed from ps4 to gy f1ss , better tyre for 40%less money... all because this channel , otherwise i was a toyo fanboy for years(but street tires not semislicks)
@@superbecx nice to hear. I was actually eyeing up the Goodyear eagle F1 asymmetric 5's as the next tyre I'd use. Seems to be 85-90% of a Michelin PS4S at considerably less cost. I haven't been able to find a store here in Australia that stocks the F1 Supersports for the tyre sizes for the M4 unfortunately
Awesome video Jonathan, very interesting results, also curious about the wet performance!
Me too :)
Every video you post, the better is getting !!! Superb video man, you are the best ! Keep it up !
Greetings from Barcelona !!
Glad you like them!
Mate, I haven't visited your channel for about a year or so, but I once again note that you are just about the best, most professional, most thorough, most watchable of any reviewer of anything on the internet. Hats off!
Thank you!
I had a 2018 and 2020 Camaro SS 1LE and sold them to move back to Europe in 2022. Man, do I miss the cars and those sweet GY F1 SC3 tires. I tried Michelin PS4S for road driving and I took them back after 1 week, to replace them with the Goodyear. What a car and tire package! Best sports car under $45k, hands down!
Awesome! I've been wanting to see a good tread wear comparison. Thanks for the videos.
It wasn’t a tread wear comparison though?...
Maybe watch and listen before posting nonsense
@@steve5x565 so unnecessarily rude lol
The Gold Standard of Tyre Reviewers.
Thank you :D
"Tire"
The channel needs so much subscribers. Just so much good stuff given in understandable way (delivered in understandable way).
Wow, thank you!
Yet another great test and video!!!
I say this with 100% admiration that you Jonathan have the best job in the world, travel, fast cars, data analysis and engineering detail critique with media and technology at your fingers tips, the stuff of dreams.
That said the more I see of your content and have read over the past couple of years and with some personal experience, I have to say I really believe in Goodyear products now and going forward, the performance they offer in all tests and conditions at their price point they are the almost certainly impossible to beat at the moment. Michelin should be worried, they have genuine competition and its strong in all areas.
Goodyear have certainly stepped up, but has have Conti, as are Pirelli and Bridgestone! Lets see what Michelin bring with the next generation though,never count them out :)
Always putting out some of the best content and tire information!
Glad you think so!
@@tyrereviews I usually buy Michelins or Continentals, but... Now I'm going to consider the Goodyear F1 Supercar 3 for my Golf R!
Great tire reviews! You mentioned in previous videos that You were impressed by Hankook. I hope that you will review more in upcoming videos, especially the Hankook Ventus Evo 2.
I have the Evo 3 in a test next week :)
Interesting comments on R888R. I agree. Unfortunately I have very limited options for my rear 245/45-16. After two sets of 888r, I’m going back to the older Toyo RA-1 for 2021. Your observation on grip is consistent with mine. They are spent after several sessions and become less grippy before they wear out. The last time I ran RA-1s, my fastest laps happen just as they started to chord. Hopefully that behavior is still there. I’ll know by September.
Thanks Jon for another tremendously useful and informative tire comparison. I especially like your detailed subjective comparisons, as your preferences seem to closely match mine. I have the PS4S on my 370Z and it's so good to see somebody who has such a perspicuous insight into the handling characteristics of the tire elucidating it for the rest of us. Your observations and opinions have greatly informed my decision on the next tires that I'll buy for my car.
I used to have a 350z!
@@tyrereviews I remember how much I wanted one of those when they came out in the early 2000s. It was so good to see the Z car being resurrected as a proper sports car; with lower weight, more power, a stiffer chassis and drop-dead good looks.
Goodyear continuing to show what they’re capable of across the board. Very impressive..
Another great video i watch all of your videos. I just want to add a comment on the r888r. The videos i have watched they arent buying it for how it handles but for how well it gives acceleration traction from a dead stop for street cars with over 600hp.
I was looking forward to this video. Cheers from Canada! Excellent video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I really love this track oriented tyre tests! Just beautiful!
Us too!
100% agree with you about R888R
Just slapped some SC3's on my C5 Corvette FRC and did a two-day DE at Mid-Ohio. These Goodyears rule. Nobody is talking about them and for sure they are a good intermediate/advanced-skill track tire. If you want to just show up, rip it up at the track, and then drive home, SC3's and/or 3R's are what you want. Haven't driven the SC3's in the wet yet but hopefully I won't need to. They wear great, communicate on the track, and the grip is way better than what I've used before. Definitely hit up TireRack and see if they make them in your car sizes. These tires really need more press than what they're getting, seriously underrated track rubber.
Just did another DE this past weekend on the SC3's at VIR. The Song Remains The Same. My instructor had a GT3RS on Hoosier slicks and said "Damn, this car has grip for days!". Honestly these are just amazing tires and if you can get them and enjoy doing HPDE's you really owe it to yourself to try them!
New tyrereview video comes out.....instant view. Awesome review John.
Thanks 👍
I was going to say, "Thumbs up for the beautiful SS 1LE," but the video was really great content. In fact, I was on the fence about changing from the Supercar 3 to the 4S. I like the better wet perf, quieter ride, and greater treadlife of the 4s. However, after watching this vid, and discovering that a set of 4Ss is almost 50% more than the SC3s for my 1LE, I've decided to stick with the SC3. Thanks for the objective comparison that really talked about the things that are important in a street/track car tire.
I feel you on the r888r, I recently ran a set on my R32 skyline gtst at the track and it was a little hairy. It did dive in with confidence but then I would get a slight over steer on braking and then on throttle it would sometimes twitch to over steer requiring a quick correction. I would try other 100s before i came back to them
I totally agree, we have an SS 1LE and the supercar 3’s are amazing. We’ve had decent tread life as well.
I run the 3Rs on my GT at autocrosses and run the 3s on the same car as my road tires. They are both phenominal
Only 13k on mine
I’ve got supercar 3s on my mustang and I love them and have no complaints, even with main road driving they are comfortable and the road noise isn’t too bad.
Just found your channel... It was very informative with good "feeling descriptions" . You now have a new sub!
Welcome aboard!
Wow, actually tasting the R888Rs? You're really taking tire knowledge to the next level! 😉
They taste like sadness :(
@@tyrereviews Add a little garlic. Might go well with the oils 😀
Damn, hoped they tasted like sushi...
toyo r campound was super in 2010 when there is no competition
@@superbecx More like overcooked squid - rubbery.
I commented a few years back, about North American tires. You answered my question the best you could but responded to that It's a little tough for you to break into the US market. I am glad you did, welcome to Murika! P.S. sad though, soon you will not be able to respond to comments anymore.
Why no replying?! Hopefully not another new rule
@@tyrereviews what I meant was as the channel grows, it will become impractical. And this channel is destined for greatness
Another awesome video sir! Keep up the good work!
Thanks :)
Superb video and comparison test again, thank you!
Glad you liked it!
So glad my SS 1LE came stock with the Goodyears.
Also, while you're in the US you should try out more of the "extreme performance" tires. There are a whole class of autocross focused tires such as the RE71R, A052, RT660, and Supercar 3 to name a few. Most of them are targeted around 200-240 UTQG and their goal is to provide the most possible grip while still being SCCA legal for certain classes. They're more hardcore than the PS4S but still usable on the road.
This I hope to do :D
@@tyrereviews looking forward to it! I was definitely going to buy the PS4S for a 718 GT4 but after your video I'm now giving the Eagle Supercar 3s a second look. Your testing and feedback is much appreciated.
@@tyrereviews You've been saying this for two years now! ;)
@@gwcrispi I've been trying to for two years lolcry. It's not been the easiest few years for travel, and testing in the UK isn't that easy!
I never thought that I would enjoy watching a tyre review video but here I am :D
Thank you good sir.
Nice test and thank you for doing this. For best track performance Goodyear recommended f/r cold pressures for Supercar 3R = 26 psi/26 psi with target hot pressures f and r of 32-35 psi. Supercar 3 cold pressures f/r = 28 psi/28 psi with target hot pressures of 35 - 37 psi front and 37 - 39 psi rear. By the way, and apologies if this has already been mentioned. The "zed zed" 1LE is actually an SS 1LE with a naturally aspirated 6.2L engine rated at 455HP/455TQ. And not the higher performance supercharged ZL1 1LE which is rated at 650HP/650TQ. Many differences between SS 1LE and ZL1 1LE. Finally, the Supercar 3 is the OEM tire developed with Goodyear for the SS 1LE. Whereas the Supercar 3R is the OEM ZL1 1LE tire.
Excellent review. I'm surprised you didn't have issues with the 4S loosing grip after about 15 minutes. For me, that's the main reason to get a more track focused tire; consistency.
We didn't run for that long, but yeah they usually do 3 laps max
I can't think of a cooler and more appropriate car for this test than a Camaro Z/28 and SS 1LE😎
I really enjoyed it!
ZL1? Lol
A Shelby 350R perhaps.
The SS 1LE is one of the best cars for this test.
Great informative review as always, thanks man.
Once again an excellent presentation
Thanks a lot :D
Not sure you actually answered the question but looking back at the result table, the tyres became progressively quicker as the tread wear rate increased. The odd one out was the Toyo which is simply not such a good tyre but still slightly 'grippier' than the Sport 4S. So in conclusion, in most cases yes, Higher Wear does = More Grip.
Supercar3 is the standard equipment on the camaro SS 1le. So makes sense it feels good on it. Supercar3R is for the ZL1 1LE.
Great video as usual! Would be so curious to see you testing the Nankang AR1 in comparison to other track tires :)
Noted!
Great video, always informative and entertaining
Glad you enjoyed it
Having the chance to spend weekends at different tracks both driving and instructing, I agree whole heartedly with your evaluations of the 4S, SC3, and PSC2. Haven't had a chance to drive the SC3R, yet.
Love the SC3, though. I've driven it on Ferrari 488GTBs, Porsche GT3RS, Shelby GT500, and Dodge Charger Hellcat WB
Get on the 3R ASAP, it's epic!
Thanks for the State side review and hope to see more of them. Great review! There are comments about doing a test of 200 TW tires, with suggested tires. I would like to add my vote for that, too, given the use of these for a number of track activities, some of which is governed by sanctioning body rules. I have used several of the suggested tires and have some likes. It will be interesting to see what you come up with.
Very well articulated review.
Thanks!
Fantastic video Jonathan 😁
Please tell me you have a Crossclimate 2 video coming ??? 🤞🏼🤞🏼
The embargo lifts in July :) It's a good improvement over the CC+
Regarding the 888R, I think it used to be held in higher regard due to being an old carcass that goes back something like a decade or more. It and the NT01 were pretty good wearing track tires, and while I think ultimate feel, grip and laptime have drastically dropped since those tires debuted, they can still be a viable option due to their longevity. Hankook RS4 strikes me as one of the street tires that takes that philosophy in the current era.
I'll have to add that to the list of things to test!
I love the RS4! With my terrible skills. They have been wonderful. They take a beating and wear really well on lapping. The only downside. Not very good in the rain.
The most underrated channel on RUclips
Thanks :D
I’m so pleased you did this review, especially since you drove the SS 1LE for the test...same car I own. The Goodyear SC3’s are the OE tires for both the SS 1LE and ZL1, while the SC3R’s are for the ZL1 1LE’s. While your test showed a slight time disadvantage of the SC3 to the PS2’s, they’re a hell of a lot cheaper and last longer. Thus, they are the best bargain for street/track use, like an SS 1LE, and I continue to stick with them. If I get the itch to spend more money, I may give the SC3R’s a try now that they are available for the OE 20” wheels.
Good info, if you get some time it would be awesome if you could leave a review on www.tyrereviews.com :)
Finally a semi slick tyre review 😁
Running the Goodyear SC3 and its like magic on the track. Porsche 997 Turbo.
**UPDATE** I ran my first set of Toyo R888 on a track Miata. Amazing tire for 3 laps at Sonoma Raceway. But then it felt as if it lost its stick abilities. Adjusted pressures for next session and no significant differences. I'm done with the Toyos.
Please test Cup2 vs Cup2 Connect! No tests online and they are now available in lots of sizes in parallel with the org Cup2! Great review!
I'm also extremely curios about this tire. I have Cup 2's now and love them. The higher treadwear and connect system are both very attractive.
I believe the connect is simply a sensor kit with an adhered sensor mounting point. So it shouldn't perform any different than an equivalent Cup 2, just provide data logging abilities to a regular driver.
@@ButterNutter37 it has a much higher treadwear rating of 240 vs cup 2 180. Also slightly different compound.
WOWWWW I HAD NO CLUE ABOUT THESE RESULTS... WHAT...THE HELLLL... Thank you for this!!!!!!!!!
Awesome video. Having had the two Michelins in the video I agree with everything you said about them. The PS4S is a brilliant street tire and great for the occasional track day. They last forever and are better than most all seasons I've driven in the wet. And everybody loves the sc2. Thanks for this video. I was thinking of getting the supercar 3 as my next street tire that if I'm rushed or feeling lazy can keep on the car when I go to the track (it happens to all of us).
Great choice
Love that you are driving my car. This video was made for 1le owners.
Thank you Sir Moss
We're all sad when it comes to tyres but at least we're all sad together 😂
We're not sad, everyone else is!
Delighted to see Goodyear back with a strong tyre game, it can only mean good things to the consumer. Is there a European equivalent tyre?
Also, would love to see some budget track tyre reviews. I hear a lot about nankang ar-1s but not sure is that because the user is being paid.
@@joshlismore when it comes to nankang, a LOT of the users are being paid to drive with them and promote them. not to take anything away from the tires as I'm sure some of them are decent, but it's hard to know how they really perform until a channel like this tests them in a comparison.
@@Jon-nz3dm 100%, hard to know when you're being influenced these days.
@J B i used to run cup2 on my m2 and caused me a crash on a greasy colder day. Changed to goodyear supersport and i am amazed how better they are on the streets. However cup2 is good on track even compared to the hankook slicks i used to run.
Like always. A superbe Review and a very sympatic guy!
Excellent review, thank you for posting. I have a 21 zl1 and on the track the sc3, after about one lap, are amazing. They deal with track use well. The sc3 for street daily, in dry and above about 50, are good tires. They do kick up stones and are loud, tram line a bit, but stick, good road feel. The downside, light/medium rain is just ok not great. Heavy rain and ponding water, they are not good, like right lane slow or even stop for a bit. I drive the conditions for the tire/car. I’ve had a variety of performance tires (pss, eagle F1 emt, and a few others) and the sc3 in heavy rain is the worst I’ve experienced in terms of a tire in the rain. The sc3 only has 7/32 from new, I think sc3 r is less like 5/32 I think so driving those in rain is a bad idea. The sc3 Under 50, sc3 is not fun to drive, so I do not… So it really boils down to how much track driving I plan on and how late into fall or early spring I want to drive in my case. If rain wasn’t a factor I’d say sc3 would be the jam…
The R888R were great a couple years ago but now, there are much better choices out there. Now it's just what I would call a scene tire. You're most likely going to see a tire like this at car shows rather than the track nowadays. It's right up there with the Firehawk Indy 500 or the Bridgestone RE003 in other countries. The scene is just obsessed with these tires.
That's a great idea for a test - a scene specific test, with one actual good tyre :)
I have to ask, what exactly do you think is wrong with the RE003? In my experience it has slightly worse wet grip, comfort and road noiss than a PS4s, but it has better feedback and identical if not better dry grip and it's available in many more sizes for usually less than half the price
@@atomickoala62 It's an old tire at this point that there WERE better tires to be had for a similar price point. One of them being the Yokohama Apex V601. In fact, pre-covid and during, the V601s were even cheaper. The RE003 is so old that the successor, the RE004s, are out.
At the time of writing, there were tires in the same price bracket, and even less, that were better options than the RE003. But since we're in a post-covid world now, they are now a "not too bad" tire to buy as the other better tires have gone up in price. Although I'd still buy the Apex V601 over the RE003 but that's just my preference in tires.
R888Rs hook in a straight line. That’s why people love it
Many of your past testing was done in front wheel drives.... it’d be interesting to test the same tires on both front and rear drives
Fantastic review as always! Makes me really keen to get the Supercar 3! Totally agree that a tyre needs to further enhance the feeling of the car feeling special -> go push those OEMs to produce more of these tyres!
I'm trying my best :)
I couldn't agree more with you on the R888R. I had them fitted to my mk1 Focus Rs running 380bhp. They kind of put the power down well but the road noise lead to me only doing 300 miles with them and I replaced them with the Cup 2's just last week. Once they're warm they're such a good tyre!
I'd like to say you're channel and content has lead me to buy some really good tyres for my mk3 Focus Rs. I had Continental TS860s fitted for the winter and what a tyre. I've just took them off and put Goodyear Super Sports on for the summer and another excellent choice. Keep up the great work!
Good info on a number of tyres, if you get some time it would be awesome if you could leave some reviews on www.tyrereviews.com :)
Great review. I have a 19 SS 1LE and the SC3's are great. They aren't the best daily tire though even though you can daily with them, you just have to drive very conservatively with them in rain and cold weather. I just bought some Michelin PSS tires (haven't installed them yet) to try and get better life and a better rain/cold weather tire than the SC3 as I DD my car in the southeastern United States. I've got about 12,200K on my SC3's right now, and they are very worn especially in the rear. They still grip pretty well, but one thing the GEN6 Camaros do well is they don't have a tramlining issue even with large, sticky tires, but went the SC3's start to get pretty worn they will start to tramline some. Hopefully I won't regret going from the SC3's to the PSS's. I thought maybe a Pilot Super Sport on a Camaro Super Sport seemed like a good idea.... Maybe?
Good info, if you get some time it would be awesome if you could leave a review on www.tyrereviews.com :)
I'd always heard that one tire manufacturer's treadwear rating isn't necessarily equal to another tire manufacturer's treadwear rating. Basically that there are no official standards for treadwear ratings.
I'll be looking forward to your road test for the Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3! I'm in Seattle and I've currently got PS4S but am curious how the Eagle F1S3 performs in the wet.
I’m new to this channel and I’ve been learning a LOT! I’m looking into buying some tires for my new C6 Corvette. Those Camaro’s tho! (I’m a big Camaro guy), but I wanted something different (why I’m going for the Corvette)! I love these videos! 🔥🔥🔥
I hope you enjoy the new car!
Great review, lots of useful info. Thumbs up
thanks
In my very limited use of high performance road tires, I've found Goodyears to generally have alert/fast turn-in with heavier steering feel while Michelins have a lighter feel but more natural/relaxed driving characteristics.
That seems to be my experience too
@@tyrereviews That is because GY uses stiffer sidewalls. I LOVE the feel of GY over Michelin (which favor soft sidewalls).
I'd love to have seen a Nankang AR1 in the test. Hopefully in a future comparison
very good video, exactly what a person shopping for tires would like to see !
This guy is always spot on! While we were running our McLaren 570S at one of our track days we ran into a regular at the track with his Corvette Z06 who swore the best track tire was the F1 3R. We had already used the stock Pirellis that came with the car, R888R and the SC2 tires all previously at the track. Since that time we have continued using the F1 3R tires as they are not only perform great on the track (in our opinion) but last as long or longer than the SC2 which we previously thought was the best track tire for us. And the F1 3R is less costly than the SC2 which is a bonus! The R888R tires were junk and burned up in chunks at the track. I thought we were the only ones that didn’t love them until I saw this video.
Awesome info :D If you get some time please put a review on www.tyrereviews.com :)
Hope that while you were in America you got a chance to try the 200tw category (Bridgestone RE71R, BFG Rivals, Yokohama A052, and the such)
Not yet :(
@@tyrereviews I'd love a 200TW category review. It's huge for autocross and the RE71R is the reining champion but I'd love to see another set of eyes.
@@JessieAMorris Try the A052 (if you can get them) :)
There’s been resounding agreement that the A052 is better but the RE71R feels better. You should try them yourself though. Looking forward to the new RE71RS coming to the US
I want to see a test with the Nankang Ar1, Direzza zz02 and Yokohama a048r.
This is by far the best video you've ever made. Tires I actually use. And the same car I race. Although we race with the new Falken rt660, rival s 1.5, Yokohama a052, re71r
Sweet car! What's your fav out of those you race with?
@@tyrereviews new Falken is a special tire that's my favorite. Yok is about .5 a second faster over on a 2 minute course
That’s my home track! Dang idk why I think it’s so cool you tested there.
It's a freaking scary place lol
Great vid!
Would love to see a vid that covers track focused tyres for UK/EU too (18"+).
Coming soon!
I am curious to see a review of the new Nitto 555R2 and Nanakang Sportnex AR1 in your next video.
I'll try :D
Top content as usual from TR, whats the situation within the Goodyear offer now... SuperSport vs. SuperCar and all their "R" derivatives...?
On the GY SSR vid I had asked if you would get a chance to review the SC3 tires so I can compare PS4S for my ZL1, you said soon, and here we are! Great stuff looking forward to see the full review!
But from what you said here, and what I like to feel when driving, it seems I'll be sticking to SC3 and maybe considering the R! I'm surprised how close the SC3 is to the Cup2.
Great review Jonathan. When will the Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3 be available in UK?
Probably never :sadcry :(
The R888R only works if stretched on the rim with 15 degrees of negative camber...at all 4 corners.
You are doing an excellent job. Love your videos.
Thank you so much!
The 4s is the best street tire with decent tread. What impress me most of the 4s is their solid dry grip even at 50-60% tread life. My last two sets last me 20k/25k miles on a 4400lb SUV
I would love you to test these tyres on a FWD car too! 😊
Maybe one day!
Yes. So much agree!!
Was about to post this request as well !!
But why, when it comes to track driving FWD is wrong wheel drive. He managed to get understeer already. With a FWD review it would be 27 flavors of understeer.
P.S. I found understeer on Cup 2s surprising, as I hardly ever get it on my M2. But not so many tight corners on Nordschleife, so maybe that's the difference.
@@marcink1755 wouldn't it make more sense to test on FWD then? The front wheels have to do everything on a FWD, therefore there's more stress on the front tires. What better way to test the limits of a tire?
Generally speaking yes (at least in the performance tire category). But also the tread wear cannot be compared or used as a basis for lap time or grip between tire models or manufacturers. Basically a loose guideline more than anything.
Great video. Sad to see Goodyear doesn't make the SC3 tires in my size. In the meantime, the C7 ZR1/Z06/Grand Sport owners will still be limited mostly to Michelin and Continental by the look of it.