Should Vegetarians Take Creatine to Normalize Homocysteine?

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  • @NutritionFactsOrg
    @NutritionFactsOrg  4 года назад +25

    If you've missed any of the videos in this series, they can all be found here - ruclips.net/p/PL5TLzNi5fYd-JfMG0FuywGxsnbjYFFKWU. -NF Team

    • @EdgeMasterPro
      @EdgeMasterPro 4 года назад +1

      I personally don’t like the drip feeding of cliff hanger videos but u der stand the marketing department needs to pump the channel probably helps book sale deals. But for a video that recommends (I know Dr Greger did so in limited and specific circumstances) but sadly it’s not the take way most people got from this video read the comments if in doubt.
      A cliff hanger video recommending a new supplement is irresponsible period.
      Look at the consequences heaps of people thinking of. Giving up whole food plant based diet as too many supplements. Many starting to take creatine most unnecessary. Go have a look at google analytics you just caused in spike in the search term vegan creatine.
      Please pass this message along. I am sure Dr Greger has not lost sight of the purpose of nutritionfacts it was not to drive Facebook and RUclips subscribers and views. It was to help. Time the marketing department reigned in.

    • @AGAU1022
      @AGAU1022 4 года назад

      Is Dr Greger going to do a new video explaining the changes to his B12 dose recommendations?

    • @EdgeMasterPro
      @EdgeMasterPro 4 года назад

      Alec Gargett paid webinar will be free but drip feed is slow

    • @ParadymShiftVegan
      @ParadymShiftVegan 4 года назад

      @@AGAU1022 It's on the NutritionFacts.Org website for free. Don't listen to the troll

    • @ParadymShiftVegan
      @ParadymShiftVegan 4 года назад

      @@EdgeMasterPro It was a free webinar, it's over. And the information is available on NutritionFacts.Org if you type "B12 recommendations" in the search.

  • @ImprovingAbility
    @ImprovingAbility 4 года назад +29

    Creatine Monohydrate changed my life. Removed all my problems with weak, burning, cramping, disabling my lower back, low performing muscles that I had all my life and put me on the low ground compared to my peers, despite my talent for movement. Only downside I discovered so far is that I need to take it regularly, cannot stop.

    • @mikybinns9343
      @mikybinns9343 4 года назад +1

      It supports methylation. Try trimethyglicene and/or Nac make sure you have enough B6,12 and folate if your vegan.

    • @rhyothemisprinceps1617
      @rhyothemisprinceps1617 4 года назад +1

      Glad it works for you; I think it could benefit a lot of people, actually. Asthmatics need to be aware it can worsen asthma symptoms:
      rhyobrain.blogspot.com/2020/06/creatine-asthma-and-allergies.html
      Pretty sure given Dr Greger's overall stance on supplementation he is going to say in the next video not to use it and offer some other diet-based solution instead.

    • @guitar300k
      @guitar300k Год назад

      yeah, I vegan and I got the same problem, maybe I should try to take creatine

    • @matthewbryson3243
      @matthewbryson3243 Год назад

      Hey Alfons, I love your channel! The free movement classes you offer are wonderful for my physical ability and alignment, as well as my mental health.
      I'll give Creatine Monohydrate a chance based on your, and Dr.Greger's, recommendation.
      I'm glad to see that you also watch my favorite yt channel for nutrition info.
      And I totally respect your decision to focus your channel on movement, and not to stir a hornet's nest of diet debate that would unfortunately distract from that focus.

  • @ChaiJung
    @ChaiJung 4 года назад +81

    As a plant based lifter, this makes me happy

    • @ParadymShiftVegan
      @ParadymShiftVegan 4 года назад +10

      Shout-out Simnett Nutrition!
      🌱💪🔥💯🏃🥦🍠🍌🍓🍲
      ruclips.net/user/Simnettnutrition

    • @TheRabidDolphin99
      @TheRabidDolphin99 4 года назад +5

      I've never used creatine as I'm afraid of raising DHT and potentially stimulating hair loss and was put off by a previous video Dr Gregor made talking about the presence of heterocyclic amines in certain creatine supplements. I just use green tea as a pre-workout and that helps to lower DHT as well but maybe the hair loss risk is overblown.
      What benefits have you seen from using creatine and would you recommend it?

    • @The3DStig
      @The3DStig 4 года назад

      Same here! I used labdoor to find a reputable source for creatine monohydrate. I take 5g pre-work and then just 2.5g on non workout days. Also like the myostatin inhibiting bonus!

    • @Innocence44
      @Innocence44 4 года назад +1

      @@TheRabidDolphin99 definitely more endurance and strength in the gym. Muscles look a bit fuller as well, probably due to higher water retention.

    • @ParadymShiftVegan
      @ParadymShiftVegan 4 года назад +6

      @@TheRabidDolphin99 I personally (not that I'm particularly qualified) would never recommend a supplement unless you're deficient for some reason. The vast majority of supplements inherently tend to come with various risks. However, if you're deficient, the risks are minimized and the benefits maximized. I've never seen any peer-reviewed evidence for taking supplements outside of a deficiency situation that improved health more significantly than the risks involved, unless we're talking b12, which I have yet to find any evidence of danger, even in supplementing the highest amounts.
      edit clarification and typos

  • @foznewloove2013
    @foznewloove2013 7 месяцев назад +1

    I love this man so much that i stayed plant-based because of him, I'm well-educated by listening to his podcasts thank you so much Dr so and respect

  • @alex4251
    @alex4251 4 года назад +12

    I’m enjoying this series!
    I just wish the intro sound wasn’t so loud....🤯

  • @richardlinares6314
    @richardlinares6314 4 года назад +7

    Can you put these videos in a playlist so we don't have to go searching for what video you're referring to? Or link the related video/playlist? I love this channel but it's frustrating that you keep titling videos in a way that present questions that won't be answered til the *next* video SMH.

  • @Singh_harj
    @Singh_harj 3 месяца назад +1

    No one tells the whole truth apart from you everyone just watch other people’s videos and post the same information but your information is the best..hats off boss..thank you

    • @toni4729
      @toni4729 3 месяца назад

      You swallow this crap too do you.

  • @katiehemstreet8939
    @katiehemstreet8939 4 года назад +7

    I've wondered about creatine supplements, I'm glad you're converting it.

  • @swimbait1
    @swimbait1 4 года назад +6

    I’ve supplemented creatine for years. I just mix it into my morning smoothie.

  • @sharit7970
    @sharit7970 4 года назад +19

    Dr. Greger- master of the cliff hanger...
    That aside, thanks for doing the research and posting!

    • @k.b.mclaughlin
      @k.b.mclaughlin 4 года назад +3

      Yeah, they've really perfected these cliff hangers

    • @general_electrics
      @general_electrics 4 года назад

      I'll spoil it for you. Eat meat to get all the nutrients you need to function properly.

    • @lloydchristmas4547
      @lloydchristmas4547 4 года назад +2

      @@general_electrics yep, like the meat eaters in cancer care hospitals.

    • @general_electrics
      @general_electrics 4 года назад

      @@lloydchristmas4547 Oh right, because vegans don't get cancer.

    • @somedudeinatunnel3102
      @somedudeinatunnel3102 4 года назад +1

      @@general_electrics Eating meat is a great way to bring on disease, cancer, and premature death.
      I used to love meat too, then I grew up and did what was best for my health. Here's to hoping you make the right choice like I did.

  • @ClovettCC
    @ClovettCC 4 года назад +36

    "recreational use of whipped cream cans" 😂

    • @ParadymShiftVegan
      @ParadymShiftVegan 4 года назад +4

      Oh dear. 🤪

    • @m0L3ify
      @m0L3ify 4 года назад +1

      My sister and her friends used to do that in High School. Regularly. You just wait until the can is empty and then spray the remaining gas right into your mouth and inhale. I guess it worked since they kept doing it.

    • @ParadymShiftVegan
      @ParadymShiftVegan 4 года назад +3

      @@m0L3ify NO2 gas. Typically people will purchase whip cream refills of pure gas and simply use those with a special device for inhaling the gas. It works for sure, but no promises on brain safety 😬
      edit typo

    • @TKevinBlanc
      @TKevinBlanc 4 года назад +2

      "Whiphits." DId it once 40 years ago. Would not recommend for brain health.

    • @ClovettCC
      @ClovettCC 4 года назад +1

      @@TKevinBlanc "hippie crack" as it's aptly termed.

  • @foodguy3435
    @foodguy3435 4 года назад +12

    Really cool stuff. Can’t wait for the next vid!

  • @drvincentesposito
    @drvincentesposito 4 года назад +9

    Interesting! And the normalization happens so quickly!
    Also, I did not know that with creatine! I'll definitely keep that in mind with patients going forward!

  • @gjkoolen
    @gjkoolen 4 года назад +4

    One addition: above age of 50 the creatine levels are usually barely enough to support normal living. If you exercise a lot then your own creatine production can be too little and supplementation can be advised.
    Great vid!

    • @thomasfuchs9451
      @thomasfuchs9451 4 года назад

      Good to know, would love to get Gregors opinion on that.

    • @carolyn4407
      @carolyn4407 3 года назад +1

      interesting, I just started taking it at the suggestion of my gym trainer. I used to be fairly strong cyclist but now being past 50 and vegan I've been struggling with recovery. I keep crashing and burning and suffer from overtraining even though Ive not really done that much. It's early days yet but Im thinking this creatine is helping me, in the gym to gain muscle and possibly with recovery. Im guess my creatine levels were pretty damn low.

  • @pmasterk
    @pmasterk 4 года назад +4

    I took creatine in the past and had calf cramping issues. I run 30- 50 miles per week and lift. It completed sidelined the running. I tried drinking a lot of water, much more than normally, still cramping issues. Lifting, however, I did notice a subtle positive difference. Just sharing my experience.

    • @bere00681
      @bere00681 4 года назад +2

      Try taking magnesium at bedtime

    • @durianriders
      @durianriders 4 года назад

      Not enough sugars. I'm faster than you and that's one of my secr

    • @howiseetheworld3581
      @howiseetheworld3581 2 года назад +1

      Sounds like an electrolyte problem. When you sweat, you need to be drinking back what you're losing. Sweat isn't water, it's sweat. Sweat contains sodium, potassium, chloride, calcium, and magnesium. So when you exercise you need to be drinking water containing these electrolytes, and it should remove your cramping.

  • @zlatka516
    @zlatka516 4 года назад +4

    I had high levels of homocysteine despite taking Vitamin B12. Then I came across an article that said that low levels of choline can also lead to higher homocysteine levels (as well as hair loss which I experienced as well). I have supplemented now for one year with choline and last week I took a blood test again and my homocysteine levels have improved dramatically. So, it might also be worth looking at ;).

    • @David-no7zi
      @David-no7zi 4 года назад +1

      Isn't choline in eggs?

    • @zlatka516
      @zlatka516 4 года назад

      @@David-no7zi yes, it is also in eggs but I take a vegan supplement ;)

    • @infinityblablabla
      @infinityblablabla Год назад

      ​@@David-no7ziit's found in tofu as well

  • @Scimuffin33
    @Scimuffin33 4 года назад +9

    Dr. Gregor, I love you. Thank you for al you do

  • @r1r597
    @r1r597 4 года назад +8

    Any studies on vegan vs male hairloss? On finasteride/ minoxidil, vs weights/ cardio/ healthy diet/ natural alternatives? 😅

  • @tedb9753
    @tedb9753 4 года назад +13

    A video on if there's a correlation between creatine and hair loss would be greatly appreciated!! 😀

  • @baileyjones6165
    @baileyjones6165 4 года назад +22

    was just wondering this today

  • @amandamate9117
    @amandamate9117 4 года назад +25

    creatine sales explodes after this video

    • @ParadymShiftVegan
      @ParadymShiftVegan 4 года назад +4

      Unless most of these veg-heads are taking B12 and eating beans and greens and everything is dandy candy on the blood test 💯🔥💪😁

    • @katiehemstreet8939
      @katiehemstreet8939 4 года назад +1

      @@ParadymShiftVegan Both can be true.

    • @katiehemstreet8939
      @katiehemstreet8939 4 года назад

      @Daniel Meyers True, we shall see.

    • @mannymans6285
      @mannymans6285 4 года назад +3

      I work at a physical job for 60 hours a week. Creatine does help a lot with muscle recovery I'll recommend it to anyone who exercise or have a physical job

    • @robsweeney7028
      @robsweeney7028 4 года назад

      Guess it's important to check our homocysteine levels

  • @dereksevcik6595
    @dereksevcik6595 4 года назад +6

    Great video! Next can you cover hair loss associated with high intakes of creatine?

    • @ummmmmmmmmmmnmmmm
      @ummmmmmmmmmmnmmmm 2 года назад

      As far as I'm aware there was a study a decade ago that found that creatine increased dht hormones.
      Has there been any study actually showing an increase in hair loss?

  • @ok373737
    @ok373737 4 года назад +6

    The more I researched, the more I understand that the healthiest diet is actually the "Blue Zones" diet, meaning a vegan diet + fatty fish twice a week (and maybe rarely small amounts of eggs, poultry and red meat but that's probably not optimal). Also in the famous Adventists study, the pesco-vegetarians live longer than vegans (0.81 hazard ratio for all cause mortality vs 0.85 for vegans).

    • @FURYBrenton
      @FURYBrenton Месяц назад

      What does eating fatty fish improve?

    • @Cancellator5000
      @Cancellator5000 Месяц назад

      @@FURYBrenton Probably just intake of omega 3s. You can get those without fish and the heavy metals.

  • @krisvalenti4141
    @krisvalenti4141 4 года назад +8

    Ironically I took creatine & ate broccoli while watching this. No joke.

  • @pdblouin
    @pdblouin 4 года назад +4

    Nice stealth edit at 3:45...Dr. Greger must really hate doing more than one take lol.

  • @benediktk.8228
    @benediktk.8228 4 года назад

    Like the new format with Dr. Greger !

  • @linedallaire6637
    @linedallaire6637 Год назад +1

    Dr greger, please give us a speech about taurine.

  • @losiento2
    @losiento2 4 года назад +2

    If your homocysteine levels are still high though your “folic acid” and cyanocobalamin intake is good... and you’re already getting texted for homocysteine levels-get yourself tested for MTHFR mutation. Seriously.

  • @Hyper-Linkman
    @Hyper-Linkman 4 года назад +1

    How likely is it that homocysteine levels are correlated with psoriasis? I may be genetically predisposed, but I'm a young adult and in the last couple of years developed a possible auto-immune condition where my skin cells replicate rather fast, and results in decent sized flakes that form on my scalp and this last year, in my eyebrows and occasionally in facial hair. A doctor told me it could be psoriasis, and I'm wondering if it's related to my going vegan, and not keeping homocysteine levels properly in check. I've been diligent in researching nutrition to make sure my diet was as optimal as possible, but I know I likely fall short on eating as many greens as I should, and I occasionally space on taking my 2500 mcg sublingual cyanocabalamin (B12) every week. Is there a regimen one can experiment with to get homocysteine levels in check, or should I just work on managing stress, eating a balanced diet, and re-start supplementing creatine on top of regular B12 supplementation?
    P.S. I would kill to have a doctor like Michael Greger. I have so many questions, and the internet (with the caveat of tricky rabit-holes) tends to be far more informative than the doctor I pay to see. I actually stumped a plant-based dietician I was seeing 2 years ago, because I was talking about a lot of things I learned on NutritionFacts, most of which she'd never heard of. Things like sulfurophane and combining broccoli sprouts with mustard powder to maximize bioavailability, and combining turmeric/curcumin with black pepper/piperine for the same reason ...I was sorely disappointed even with some of the more basic topics, and realized I might be better off finding a new place to live with more knowledgeable medical workers. Remind me why for-profit medical institutions are still a thing.

  • @FernTheBull
    @FernTheBull Год назад +1

    Amazing! thank you!

  • @bartjoboy
    @bartjoboy Год назад

    If you do supplement creatine, be sure to also drink enough water! Creatine causes more water retention in the muscles, so you need a bit more. I had sometimes very painful cramps in my calf and making sure I hydrated enough made this go away again.

  • @TomasGarro
    @TomasGarro 4 года назад +1

    Interesting video! I was thinking to take 2-3 gr of creatine to better strenght and training perfomance.

  • @theveganbossa
    @theveganbossa 4 года назад +2

    Very interesting, as always 👍

  • @Ecstract
    @Ecstract 4 года назад +15

    please, stop the cliff hangers

    • @m0L3ify
      @m0L3ify 4 года назад +1

      Aw, c'mon, it keeps the week interesting! Who knew people could be so anxious to hear more about homocysteine and creatine? Warms the cockles of my biochem heart. 🥰

    • @letsdomath1750
      @letsdomath1750 4 года назад +2

      Yes, it would make this channel grow faster.

    • @Ecstract
      @Ecstract 4 года назад +5

      m0L3ify lol I respectfully disagree. I lose interest and forget to see the second part. This isn’t a netflix documentary series there doesn’t need to be a cliffhanger, and the extra added watch time in a single video would help his channel take advantage of the algorithm. I’m left with only questions I didn’t get an answer for and then I move on. Or I’ll go and research my self and won’t watch the rest of the videos.

    • @letsdomath1750
      @letsdomath1750 4 года назад +1

      @@Ecstract Exactly!!!

    • @David-no7zi
      @David-no7zi 4 года назад +3

      I agree, they're a waste of time. I don't come here to see the next installment of a soap opera, I want all the info in a bite sized video.

  • @flyorraofficial
    @flyorraofficial 4 года назад

    Hi doctor greger. I buy canned fruit in syrup. Can you do a video about that. Any benefits? Fresh fruit is not always in season (lychee, cherry) i buy it in can

  • @josecarlos-vy8fk
    @josecarlos-vy8fk 4 года назад +3

    Grande profe, lo queremos!!

  • @KTPurdy
    @KTPurdy Год назад

    good information.

  • @plantstho6599
    @plantstho6599 9 месяцев назад

    I'm learning through trial and error that I have MTHFR mutation and should actually stay away from folates, or keep them as low as possible. If I understand correctly, if I up my intake of creatine (from the current 0 gms/day) then I should be able to tolerate folates slightly better?

  • @robsweeney7028
    @robsweeney7028 7 месяцев назад

    What about Taurine?

  • @letitflowkaren
    @letitflowkaren 4 года назад +1

    How about people who have the mthfr gene mutation? Also, do you believe that the folic acid enriched foods can be inadequate to people with this mutation?

  • @MrFox-db5xw
    @MrFox-db5xw 4 года назад

    Does have bad effects the creatine?

  • @KeaneLeung
    @KeaneLeung 2 года назад

    Hey Guys~ Hello! Is creatine suitable for vegetarians? Please answer.

  • @johnjordan6032
    @johnjordan6032 Год назад +2

    I have some anecdotal evidence about creatine influencing levels in the brain; Whenever I supplement with creatine, I definitely feel an increase in brain function or a healthy stimulation of sorts. I initially started supplementing solely for weight training and noticed the effect it had on me, thus looking it up and coming to find studies stating cognitive improvements with supplementation.

  • @cameronbigger7963
    @cameronbigger7963 4 года назад +1

    I always feel physically sick when I take creatine. Wish I could though. Pretty plateaued... thanks for the vid!

  • @krystalb7745
    @krystalb7745 10 месяцев назад

    Is there any additional information for those who have the MTHFR mutation (homozygous). Specifically about the metabolizing. Should they take a B complex or just b12 to keep homocysteine levels
    within a healthy range?

  • @udmgraduate
    @udmgraduate 3 года назад +1

    I've been vegan whole food plant based for 15 months now. My vit b12 levels are smack dab in the middle, but my homocysteine level is 15. Highest end of normal. How do I lower this? I don't want to take creatine. I already eat lots of beans and my folate level is greater than 20 (normal). I need help!

  • @pathpaths9740
    @pathpaths9740 4 года назад +2

    My homecystine is high and i work out alot really curious about the study!

    • @Cin9999
      @Cin9999 4 года назад

      well first of all you should take from this that your b12 supplements shoukd be on point

    • @durianriders
      @durianriders 4 года назад

      Get on the b12 shots today mate. Don't waste your health and performance on orthorexic beliefs

  • @blackumbrella6199
    @blackumbrella6199 2 года назад

    I'm sorry but aren't vegetarians supposed to have low levels of homocysteine since they cut animal proteins that contain methionine and cysteine from their diet? The notion that vegetarians have high homocysteine levels because their diet lacks vitamin b12 doesn't sound sense to me. Not to mention that Folic acid (that can be found in plant sources) is as efficient as B12 for reducing homocysteine levels.

  • @aaroiseverything
    @aaroiseverything 4 года назад +1

    interesting! thanks for the vid!!

  • @MechLeander
    @MechLeander 4 года назад +2

    Methylation on nutritionfacts.org? I like it 🤓

  • @Hyper-Linkman
    @Hyper-Linkman 4 года назад +1

    Jarrow makes vegan creatine with a special formulation they call "Creapure". It's pretty affordable shopping online. I used to supplement it every day for a few months, but stopped because I didn't notice any notable difference, although now I might start up again after a bit of homocysteine research. Anyone have any experience?

  • @AndrewPawley11
    @AndrewPawley11 Год назад

    I love this channel!

  • @abhassinha688
    @abhassinha688 4 года назад +1

    Might this also help lower MMA levels? More broadly, do MMA and homocysteine levels rise/fall together or is it possible for one to be high and the other normal?

  • @frankheiser2775
    @frankheiser2775 4 года назад +1

    Curious about what Nutritionfacts (anyone else here) says about taking Creatine for increased sports performance. I eat whole foods plant based and take 5 g of creatine daily, but not entirely sure if I should.

    • @flabio7074
      @flabio7074 4 года назад

      Check out Stronger by Science and Barbell Medicine for more info. They are much better resources for this type of info.
      BTW I’m like you. Plant based. Dedicated lifter. And creatine is the only fitness supplement I take on any regular basis. Been using it for years with only positive effects.

    • @durianriders
      @durianriders 4 года назад

      So you don't use sugar because it's refined but you take creatine??? 😂😂😂😂

  • @claricewynne4270
    @claricewynne4270 4 года назад +1

    What about creatine how it affects hormones specifically DHT and hair loss?

    • @laurieparis2203
      @laurieparis2203 4 года назад +1

      Great question! My take is that he's suggesting trying creatine only for those who need it due to high homocysteine levels when diet and lifestyle has failed to lower it. Not for all vegans. My thoughts are that those things you mention could become a problem for someone who doesn't need creatine, bc their bodies are already making enough? Or for those who over supplement? More is not better, usually it's overdose. 🌱

  • @debstayblessed9549
    @debstayblessed9549 5 месяцев назад

    I recently had my b12 level tested it showed elevated >2000. So, paused intake for now. At same time my homocysteine was 15.2 and that is a decrease. 🤔 also folate was good. Will try a little creatine.

  • @kitkatk5152
    @kitkatk5152 4 года назад +3

    I really don't want to add another supplement to my list!

    • @laurieparis2203
      @laurieparis2203 4 года назад +1

      Is your homocysteine high, despite diet, B12 and lifestyle? If not, you don't need it! 😊🌱

    • @TTR83
      @TTR83 4 года назад +3

      Eat meat then you don't need supplements. Meat contains over 15 micronutrients you can't get from plants.
      There's no point to sacrifice your life, what for.

    • @somedudeinatunnel3102
      @somedudeinatunnel3102 4 года назад

      @@TTR83 False, meat eaters are still low in B12 and should supplement with it, alongside with their significantly increased risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, tumors, etc.

    • @stephjuhler999
      @stephjuhler999 3 года назад

      @@somedudeinatunnel3102 Meat-eaters are only low in B-12 if they're not eating ENOUGH meat, and never eat organ meats like liver that are rich in nutrients like B-12.

  • @TheWodeh
    @TheWodeh 4 года назад

    Why would 50mcg of B12 once a day or 2000mcg once a week lower homocysteine levels within a month but not if you take 500mcg once a day?

  • @slydog7131
    @slydog7131 2 месяца назад

    All this begs the question of where did ancient humans get their B12? It must have been from animal products. Of note, just 2 oz of canned chub mackerel supplies almost twice the daily requirement of B12. Chub mackerel fish also have not been in the ocean for long, so they are very low in mercury and likely other pollutants. Such cannot be said for larger mackerel that have spent more time in the ocean.

  • @reyesvalencia4216
    @reyesvalencia4216 4 года назад +1

    Dear Dr. Greger,
    I follow your plant based diet the most I can and feel great, but, I do use Lard, once in a while, due to it´s high smoking point. Is there something you recommend instead of Pork Lard? Is heating up olive oil as bad as people claim it to be, causing free radicals that increasing cancer risk? Love your work and how much you selflessly help all of us.

    • @GospodinJean
      @GospodinJean 2 года назад

      I am not a doctor but I would get away from pork lard,
      has coconut oil also a low smoking point?
      use bovine lard. pork really accumulate parasites and toxins a lot

    • @Slayer_Habit
      @Slayer_Habit 2 года назад

      Grape seed oil

    • @Slayer_Habit
      @Slayer_Habit 2 года назад

      I'm sorry it took a year for you to get an answer

  • @SoyBrig
    @SoyBrig 4 года назад

    It would be helpful to know of a way to get Accurate test results to assess our levels. Test providers are notoriously inaccurate.

  • @grattata4364
    @grattata4364 4 года назад +7

    I'm starting to feel really worried about all these supplement recommendations and the severity of eventual deficiencies, speaking as a vegan. The lower muscle mass on vegetarians didn't sound good at all either. And the heart attack risk was ridiculously close to the meat eaters??? I've been listening to Greger preaching about his beans and vegetables for a long time, and now i just feel confused and disappointed. It almost seems like there are more negatives than positives of being vegan, at least many times more complicated.

    • @bastianelken7125
      @bastianelken7125 4 года назад +2

      "all these supplement recommendations"? What are you talking about?! Recently Dr. Greger has stressed the importance of taking a vitamin B12 supplement and made clear what the consequences may be if vegans do not. This video is advice for a minority(!) that may have high homocysteine levels even though they eat a whole food plant based diet and take vitamin B12 as recommended.
      Are you making up excuses for going back to a diet based on animal products?

    • @grattata4364
      @grattata4364 4 года назад

      What about iodine, omega 3s and d3? Also the not so sure conversion from retinol to vitamin A? There you have another four that can f-ck up your health real hard if deficient, and even make you permanently blind. Greger is not the only plant based doctor on youtube. There are many others with different supplement recommendations and serious warnings, enough to make you want to claw your eyes out in frustration. Nice personal attack though. If not for my health, i'll stay vegan for the animals. Not sure what that has to do with my legitimate concerns, as one that really tries my best with this lifestyle. What are your opinions on the reduced muscle mass and almost as high heart attack risk + higher stroke risk, according to these studies? I mean even if many are vegetarians (vegans were also included in the vegetarian group), that number is pretty f-cking high, considering they're avoding the worst source of artery clogging food there is, which is meat. I expected to see way lower heart attacks in the vegetarian group.

    • @bastianelken7125
      @bastianelken7125 4 года назад

      ​@@grattata4364 Thank you for being vegan (for the animals)! :)
      You seem to make things way too complicated and to have misunderstood a number of things (and/or be inspired by paleo myths).
      I suggest you watch Dr. Gregers video series "Vegetarians and Stroke Risk Factors" again and listen more carefully. What you will learn is: Take B12 and don't worry (except for very few people what this video was about). Easy!

    • @ludicrousone8706
      @ludicrousone8706 4 года назад +2

      I'm from Bavaria, a region traditionally so low in iodine that there is a special type of traditional jewelry to contain women's goiter, a so-called Kropfband. And people here are avid meat eaters.
      So forever people have been advised to use iodized salt and eat imported seafish. So herring was eaten more, even so it is traditionally northern German.
      In addition the soil here is also lacking selen, so everyone raising pigs and other livestock gives them selen supplements.
      So, if someone goes vegan here he is well advised to watch his iodine intake and add sea vegetables or algae to his diet. Mostly imported from the coastal regions and to ensure selen intake. Brazil nuts, and wheat and lentils from Canada are high in selen. Or one takes a supplement, or does both
      And none of this can be blamed on the vegan diet, it is just a fact of the land we're living on. A very rich agricultural land producing great vegetables and fruits, but still lacking two critical minerals.

    • @karma-616
      @karma-616 6 месяцев назад +1

      Uh so you don't watch his videos apparently 😂 heart attack risk the same 😂😂😂

  • @nitsan
    @nitsan 4 года назад +6

    I look forward to watching 735 videos about creatine.
    ha just kidding

  • @general_electrics
    @general_electrics 4 года назад +3

    So let me get this straight. Meat (animal products, etc.) contains B12 and creatine. But we're not supposed to eat meat??? Instead, we should supplement a plant-based diet with nutrients found in animals. So we cut out the naturally existing "middle moo" or whatever and instead introduce a middle man -- the supplement companies, which in the US have little regulation as to the contents of their products. Oh yeah, makes perfect sense.
    0:30 - Let's look at this graph really carefully. Are the differences between these groups significant???
    The number of cases alone means almost nothing if the differences aren't statistically significant.
    Furthermore, how was the data obtained? Most "meat eaters" eat the standard American diet, which is unhealthy. Pescatarians and vegetarians may be more mindful of what they eat, and eat healthier foods. We see this over and over again.
    Flashing a graph with some groups and numbers means almost nothing. It's not science. It just *looks* like science.

    • @lloydchristmas4547
      @lloydchristmas4547 4 года назад +2

      B12 doesn't originate in meat and is supplemented into meat. You didn't notice in the video that creatine isn't a dietary necessity I presume. Your appeal to nature is a fallacy and you're a hypocrite as you use technology to type that out and obtain your meat. Now show me the studies of your meat eaters beating out plant based eaters overall.

    • @general_electrics
      @general_electrics 4 года назад +1

      ​@@lloydchristmas4547 "Ruminants acquire vitamin B12, which is considered an essential nutrient, through a symbiotic relationship with the bacteria present in their stomachs" from the paper "Vitamin B 12 sources and microbial interaction."
      The paper goes on to say "Edible plants and mushrooms rarely contain a considerable amount of vitamin B12, mainly due to concomitant bacteria in soil and/or their aerial surfaces."
      So before humans even knew about B12, which is *essential* to human health, how did they supplement it to animals and themselves?? Answer: they didn't. They just ate the animals that contained it.
      As for meat eaters beating out plant eaters (or vice versa), see my previous comment. People who don't follow a standard American diet and watch what they eat have better health outcomes regardless of meat consumption. The "meat eaters" in all these studies aren't unhealthy because they eat meat. They're unhealthy because of all the other processed (usually plant-based) foods they eat.
      Even Dr. Kim Williams cites studies that "junk food" vegans, who eat a lot of processed foods do just as badly or worse than people following a standard American diet that contains meat.

  • @jengilbert8858
    @jengilbert8858 4 года назад +1

    Should ppl on a plant based diet get their homocysteine checked?

  • @CynthiaSchoenbauer
    @CynthiaSchoenbauer 11 месяцев назад

    Do sleep medications increase homocysteine?

  • @SebastianMarelli
    @SebastianMarelli 4 года назад +5

    Working out every day for 2.5 hours for 20 years now. Never took any supplement all (not even protein shakes) cause I hate the fitness industry 😅

  • @kellyclover5953
    @kellyclover5953 4 года назад

    I never heard of taking creatine for that purpose.

  • @baddoggie101
    @baddoggie101 4 года назад

    The link to the next video does not work

  • @miguelferrazcosta
    @miguelferrazcosta 4 года назад +1

    Is season finale in the next episode? :)

  • @CynthiaSchoenbauer
    @CynthiaSchoenbauer 11 месяцев назад

    We don't know until we put it to the test... Which is what studies are for. Thank you, doctor.

    • @slydog7131
      @slydog7131 2 месяца назад

      Yes, but one study is never the final word. If it was, then there would be no need for meta-analyses. One study starts a dialog. Multiple studies are needed to provide any level of confidence.

  • @VicenteLuchi
    @VicenteLuchi 4 года назад +2

    Dr Greger, some say that the body reduces the production of creatine, if you take it as supplement (it might be related to quantity, idk), so 1g a day might not be enough in the long run
    Cheers from Brazil

    • @catalyst3713
      @catalyst3713 4 года назад

      He mentions this in the video

  • @mat_j
    @mat_j 4 года назад

    I already take it..

  • @okay1904
    @okay1904 3 года назад +1

    The more one learns about the vegan and vegetarian diet, with all these risks that need supplementation, this is enough proof that our ancestors were definitely not vegetarian. Definitely not. Sure vegetables and plants are excellent, but cannot be our only food source.

  • @quandmeme9970
    @quandmeme9970 4 года назад +1

    TMG(betaine but not betaine hcl) or SAME-e.

  • @kvv3819
    @kvv3819 4 года назад +2

    Is creatine safe? Does it make you bald?

  • @bigdog594
    @bigdog594 4 года назад +2

    I worked as a chef in a large airline galley and I was baffled by the large amount of dud cans of whipped cream🤔It turned out to be the kitchen hands (recreational) habits😂

  • @RichardWilliams-sn7tt
    @RichardWilliams-sn7tt 4 года назад +1

    Quick answer: of course not.

  • @angeloselarja
    @angeloselarja 4 года назад +1

    Maybe take methyl cobalamin?

  • @nooskigolf
    @nooskigolf 4 года назад +1

    Does creatine cause hair loss?

    • @mcbrineart
      @mcbrineart 4 года назад

      Barry Vernon yes

    • @LaurelMcBrine
      @LaurelMcBrine 4 года назад

      @farorin probably

    • @miguelferrazcosta
      @miguelferrazcosta 4 года назад

      hairverse.com/creatine-hair-loss/ not quite

    • @TTR83
      @TTR83 4 года назад

      Because it's bloody supplement. You should eat real foods not supplements.

  • @nomadnomad9109
    @nomadnomad9109 4 года назад +1

    So can you give the name of the most beneficial from of b12 pls Dr

    • @megavegan5791
      @megavegan5791 4 года назад +6

      Cyanocobalamin.

    • @nomadnomad9109
      @nomadnomad9109 4 года назад

      Can you get that from a chemist pls in England

    • @amandamate9117
      @amandamate9117 4 года назад

      meat

    • @freesoul3982
      @freesoul3982 4 года назад +1

      You can also order drops from amazon. Keep them under your tongue for better absorption

    • @nomadnomad9109
      @nomadnomad9109 4 года назад +1

      Thank you for the advice everyone I'm try to stick to a plant based diet so if I don't know I ask for advice thank you so much for your time and consideration 🙏

  • @miloradvlaovic
    @miloradvlaovic 4 года назад +1

    I have nothing but huge appreciation and respect for Dr. Greger but booooy ain't he a cliffhanger-w**re 😂😂😂😂

  • @MrFox-db5xw
    @MrFox-db5xw 4 года назад +4

    This video made me sad.
    How is possible the plant based diet that is the healthiest diet to need so much supplements?
    Maybe we need to eat and a small amount meat?

    • @alexandervonhumboldt1123
      @alexandervonhumboldt1123 4 года назад +2

      Of course we need to eat meat, there's a reason we've been doing it since the beginning of our species. A 100% plant-based diet is just a nonsense idea that popped up a few decades ago, if you look at RUclips and other social media vegans are quitting left and right because they got sick

    • @MalinaImport
      @MalinaImport 4 года назад

      @@alexandervonhumboldt1123 beginning of our species? what does that even mean? human ancestors only started eating meat 200.000 years ago with the advent of fire. have fun trying to eat raw animals

  • @Daveoghscope
    @Daveoghscope 4 года назад

    I wonder what it would be line if you ever collabed with Chef John.
    After all you are the Johnny Quest, of putting it to the test.

  • @maremacd
    @maremacd 4 года назад

    Does anyone know what his current B12 dose recommendation is?

    • @Lollertube82
      @Lollertube82 4 года назад

      He says it also in this video.

    • @jellevm
      @jellevm 4 года назад +1

      He mentions 2000mcg/week, but for older people (65+) it's 1000mcg/day. So anywhere between 2000mcg and 7000mcg a week should be fine, you can't overdose on B12 afaik.

    • @Lollertube82
      @Lollertube82 4 года назад

      Look, the source of truth is simply here: nutritionfacts.org/topics/vitamin-b12/

    • @renatomrn
      @renatomrn 4 года назад

      He posted on comments of his last video : "I have updated my recommendation for B12 supplementation. I now suggest at least 2,000 mcg (µg) cyanocobalamin once each week, ideally as a chewable, sublingual, or liquid supplement taken on an empty stomach, or at least 50 mcg daily of supplemental cyanocobalamin (you needn’t worry about taking too much)"

    • @maremacd
      @maremacd 4 года назад

      Renato Munoz Thanks so much!

  • @Kiyarose3999
    @Kiyarose3999 4 года назад +2

    I think the best way to get B12 is from Savoury spreads such as Yeast Extract, Natex, Vegemite etc

    • @morenabertuzzi9700
      @morenabertuzzi9700 4 года назад +3

      Not enough to achieve requirements for most ppl. Be careful!

    • @jodrew1845
      @jodrew1845 4 года назад

      I don't think we have that here in the USA. I read somewhere that sea veggies had traces of B-12 but if you're eating a variety of food's, that may be problematic.

    • @miguelferrazcosta
      @miguelferrazcosta 4 года назад

      Nope, unless that is fortified it's not better than using a supplement (on any kind of diet just for sure).

    • @ParadymShiftVegan
      @ParadymShiftVegan 4 года назад +2

      Not according to the peer-reviewed literature

    • @EdgeMasterPro
      @EdgeMasterPro 4 года назад +2

      There is no b12 in vegemite mate. Time to think again. If your plant based go keto and die that way or take a b12. Plant based people not taking b12 do plant base diets a great disservice.

  • @gabrielahimsa4387
    @gabrielahimsa4387 4 года назад

    Cyano? i thought it was the worst? why not methylocobalamine hydroxocobalamine or adrenosolcobalamine?

  • @TTR83
    @TTR83 4 года назад +5

    So you basically showed us that human body can't function properly without meat. Thanks.

    • @antiochosyuliana7904
      @antiochosyuliana7904 4 года назад +1

      no..? why. You only need B12

    • @general_electrics
      @general_electrics 4 года назад +4

      Exactly. First it was B12. Now it's creatine. What next? I know... *meat.*

    • @TTR83
      @TTR83 4 года назад +1

      @@antiochosyuliana7904 You see, B12 works closely with folate. When one is high then another will be low and vice versa. But imbalance causes abnormally large red blood cells that can't function as should.
      It is easy when you have a piece of meat and a piece of carrot as food, everything's in right ratio. BUT dosing(supplementing) everything yourself you might do as well suicide.
      How do you know your body's current need for B12?

    • @somedudeinatunnel3102
      @somedudeinatunnel3102 4 года назад

      You do realize the human body doesn't function properly *with* meat, right?

    • @TTR83
      @TTR83 4 года назад

      @@somedudeinatunnel3102 Oh boy how it functions:
      ruclips.net/video/yGVdYiM5IXw/видео.html

  • @vollickplaysgames
    @vollickplaysgames 4 года назад +1

    Already do, gotta maximize them gains ;)

  • @seahog32
    @seahog32 4 года назад +5

    WTF happened to the whole/natural foods idea?

    • @bastianelken7125
      @bastianelken7125 4 года назад +2

      Dr. Greger is talking about a minority that may have high homocysteine levels even if they eat a whole food plant based diet and take a vitamin B12 supplement. That particular group of people may benefit from creatine supplementation.

    • @TTR83
      @TTR83 4 года назад +3

      @@bastianelken7125 You benefit from creatine supplementation because absence of meat in your diet. Humans can't be 100% plant eaters.

    • @David-no7zi
      @David-no7zi 4 года назад +1

      @@TTR83 Exactly - this is so convoluted. I eat plant based with a little bit of top-quality meat a day. Surely that makes more sense than chugging creatine powders.

    • @durianriders
      @durianriders 4 года назад

      @@David-no7zi if meat is good who do all the meat eater fake nattys take gear and creatine? 😂

    • @durianriders
      @durianriders 4 года назад

      Nobody following my diet protocols EVER has come back with elevated homocysteine 😂

  • @boogerz2000
    @boogerz2000 4 года назад +11

    The more I watch your videos, the more a balanced whole food omnivorous diet (with some meat) appears to be the best overall answer. It's the only type of diet where supplementation isn't absolutely required, granted it's still recommended to do at least a multi. The laundry list of required supplements as you go to vegetarian, then vegan just get longer and longer according to your own channel. This doesn't mean eating 12 oz. steak every day, you could take care of the B12, creatine, and homocysteine issues with as little as 4 oz. of steak or fish two to three times a week.

    • @IAMCHIBI_VG
      @IAMCHIBI_VG 4 года назад +1

      All lives matter

    • @mmmmmmmmmmm111
      @mmmmmmmmmmm111 4 года назад +3

      What laundry list? It's literally just B12 and if you're not getting sun, vitamin D as well. And the vitamin D advice applies to omnis as well since meat has such low levels of vitamin D. So essentially it comes down to a choice between taking one pill a week or killing animals.

    • @boogerz2000
      @boogerz2000 4 года назад +2

      @@mmmmmmmmmmm111 B12 and Vitamin D aren't the only two. Vegetarians and vegans actually suffer greater deficiency in Iodine and Zinc. So you're looking at supplementing B12, Vitamin D, Iodine, Zinc, and potentially Iron, Omega 3, and now Creatine. if you want to replace food with more and more supplements, go for it, and good luck with that.

    • @mmmmmmmmmmm111
      @mmmmmmmmmmm111 4 года назад

      @@boogerz2000 My diet contains all the things you mentioned in enough quantities but yeah sure, keep believing you need 15 supplements on a vegan diet. That way you can mentally justify killing animals every meal.
      Iodine deficiency barely exists since the introduction of iodized salt
      Omega 3: imgur.com/a/UKbf48Y
      Iron and zinc: imgur.com/a/XbaNQqt
      and if you actually watched the video he never said you need to supplement creatine if you take proper B12 supplements. So we go back to the initial point. B12 and D and only B12 is exclusive to vegans. So yeah, take one pill a week or kill animals needlessly.

  • @emmas816
    @emmas816 4 года назад

    TMG also lowers homocysteine

  • @piecesofme8531
    @piecesofme8531 4 года назад +1

    Is creative vegan?

  • @ellistarceansa8182
    @ellistarceansa8182 4 года назад +3

    *CLIFF HANGERS:* I'm a bit over them now. Once in a while piques my interest; too many and somehow I start to tire.

  • @TheBadMoJoe
    @TheBadMoJoe 2 года назад

    Dr. Greger has never done a whip it?

  • @BlahBlahPoop617
    @BlahBlahPoop617 4 года назад +2

    Even amount those who make creatine, many people, due to genetic polymorphisms (MTHFR) are very inefficient at producing choline and creatine, so we need to get enough methyl donors/substances through diet to produce it, and more of them if we produce creatine and choline less efficiently. Most of our methylation demands go to making choline and creatine.
    Betaine, creatine, riboflavin thiamine, glycine, choline, folate, B6, B12, zinc and copper, vitamin c, enough quality protein, are some of the most important factors for this.

    • @ParadymShiftVegan
      @ParadymShiftVegan 4 года назад

      Evidence or bust. You made plenty of claims and substantiated *none of them.*

  • @EdRo1900
    @EdRo1900 Год назад

    What’s your take on vegan creatine?

    • @slydog7131
      @slydog7131 2 месяца назад

      The same as vitamin C from rose hips. They are chemically identical.

  • @williamquemuel7824
    @williamquemuel7824 4 года назад +1

    Dr Greger didn't mention choline as alternative to reduce homocysteine levels. Choline is also involved in fat metabolism, especially in visceral fat in liver disease. Choline is high in salmon and eggs. Nina Teicholz posits that there is no clinical study (epidemiological studies and meta analysis do not show causal and effect most of the time) to show that animal consumption is harmful. I don't know Dr Greger's response to Nina Teicholz, but this is another data point to explore.

    • @EdgeMasterPro
      @EdgeMasterPro 4 года назад

      You will never get a randomised study. It would require allocation at birth or maybe pre inception a lifetime of the diet then waiting 70 plus years for the results.
      There is no randomised study for smoking either. Your argument comes from a total misunderstanding of the merged the data. So unless you gf ace thr oopulatiobs to randomised and a lifetime or two to wait. That epidemiological studies are the best you got along with other studies looking at individual facets.

    • @williamquemuel7824
      @williamquemuel7824 4 года назад

      Francis Hemeter Agreed, but Nina does make points that there is no clinical study or randomized double blind study to demonstrate that animal consumption is harmful. Nina is just a investigative journalist and is no doctor or scientist. Having said that, vegetables and fruits provide micronutrients and fiber that animal sources do not have, She cannot refute that.

  • @ygglensable
    @ygglensable 4 года назад +2

    Coffee seems to cancel out the positive effects of creatine. There's not a lot of research done on this yet, but it's definitely worth looking into, when you're in this branch of the literature.

    • @flabio7074
      @flabio7074 4 года назад +1

      That’s not true. Check out Stronger by Science. They are the Dr. Greger of the fitness world. There’s a lot of research on this.

  • @HTB6493
    @HTB6493 3 года назад +1

    Them vegan eyes 👀💀