Diablo 4's Season 2 Battle Pass Is Still Bad
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- With Diablo IV's Season of Blood starting in a few days (October 17) you may be considering buying the season's battle pass. But you really shouldn't. The microtransactions in this game are crazy, and just prove that Activision Blizzard has earned it's reputation of an incredibly greedy company. I do really enjoy playing this game and hope they can salvage what's left of it's reputation in the future. Maybe Microsoft’s acquisition will help.
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Random comparison, but it's crazy to me that it's like $30 for one armor set in this game, while like the same cost gives you full on expansions in games like The Witcher, Skyrim, etc 😭
Or just full games in general.
yep literally one skin costs more than the whole shivering isles lol
Then dont play the game you whinny b*tch. There's no such thing as a good battlepass
Yeah the prices are completely insane, for that price you would at least expect it to give the armor set for all classes, but no... just 1. Activision can suck it, the base game is expensive enough.
500th subscriber! I totally resonated with what you said. Also, Diablo 4 is scammy enough to not give you the option to confirm purchase. Once you click upgrade there's no stopping it. Keep it up, friend.
Hey thanks so much! Big milestone for me so I really appreciate it. :) Also, that’s hilarious but not shocking. I didn’t know that as I haven’t purchased anything but that’s a typical blizzard move
@@HolyGrailGaming I know right! Still a long way to go, and thanks to you we are heard. Keep up the good work!
they fixed it for season 2, idk if season 1 still had it, i didnt login once for the entire season. i still have the accelerated battle pass token and I might use it this season or next. this season it gives a pretty cool emote exclusive to the accelerated battle pass@@chongzm1
I Don't see a reason to buy cosmetics because you can barely see them in game.
that and they are like $30 each
I was a huge d2 fan soso on d3. I was so hyped for d4 , i forced myself through the story . Felt like a terrible slow movie i did 10 or so hours after story and i can not force myself to play it any more. Ill play d2 or Poe honestly, game needs 2 yrs to be ready for release i paid for a beta test and was lied to blizzard lost a life long customer.
I really liked the main story but yeah D2 is where it’s at. Never tried PoE but ill try the 2nd when it releases
If you play Destiny 2, its version of "battlepass" doesn't even give you any currency whatsoever. That game also sells armor skins for $25 (it varies). I was actually surprised when D4 S1 pass gave me 666 currency since my experience was limited to Destiny 2.
Oh I had no idea, I should have said every other Activision Blizzard game. Should be a standard practice though
You'll spend more money because you'll have to buy an expansion every year, which will probably cost $50+
that’s true 🙃
Thanks. You saved me some money.was thinking about buying a better edition to play with a friend. But will not pay for a battle pass that doesn’t pay for itself
Glad I could help! The game is still solid in my opinion, I just won’t be spending any more money on it until the expansion comes out
I bought the last one. I was satisfied, the skins were dope. 10$ to me isn't a lot but I can see why it's annoying to a lot of people. If this one has dope cosmetics i might buy it. But it doesn't matter. If I do or don't buy it that won't really impact my experience. Im curious what impact Microsoft will have moving forward.
The skins are decent but I just wish they handled it the same way as COD
I like vampires. And I actually like what's included in the battle pass this season. Didnt like season 1 stuff.
I think the Battlepass here isn't the issue, it's us as the consumer who failed, and there's no one to blame honestly. I don't know who started the Battle Pass strat but it worked, some game community loved it, some didn't but definitely more devs/publishers are riding on the Battle pass strat simply because it works. Market it as optional, some will see it as them being "exclusive" since they can buy it, some will see it as unnecessary simply because they know the marketing strat behind it or does not have the means to purchase one.
If the battle pass hasn't been that accepted since the beginning, no one will be putting these into games and will only sell cosmetics. It's sad, but it's reality.
That’s pretty true, if consumers stopped buying battle passes companies would stop throwing them in every game. But that doesn’t change the fact that it’s scummy charging tons of money for dlc after charging $100 for a game.
Great video and awesome editing!
woo thanks! I’m never confident in my editing skills so I appreciate that
Naw, I played the whole game and then hit up the season. Quitted the game by level 27.. It was trash AF 😂 I even had the battle pass included. Still didn't give AF. I cant mess with them anymore.
the first season was pretty weak, they’ll get better though
fair enough, to each their own. I still like the game, just not gonna drop any more money on it
I thought the platinum is being carried to the next season and summed with the one from the next season. If it doesn't work like that then please skip everything I write below.
But if this is indeed the case then the picture is a quite different. If you are looking short term season by season - it may looks like sh!t.
In long term though for every battle pass you buy you gain 2 more for free (in real scenario slightly less than 2), effectively reducing the price to 1/3 (assuming you are completing the battle pass and claim all rewards and keep all platinum for purchasing new battle passes). Again people may argue whether it is worth it but still 3.3 $/€ per season is quite different than 10 $/€ per season.
Because the platinum you get could be used to get more platinum and that platinum for more etc.
So the reward from the BP is not just 2/3 of the new Battle pass. It is: 2/3 + (2/3)^2 + (2/3)^3 + (2/3)^4 etc which is the sum of geometric progression.
The formula for it is:
S = A1/(1-r) (for multiplier < 1 which is the case here),
where A1 is the first term - in our case 2/3
and r is the ratio - again 2/3
(2/3)/(1-2/3) =
(2/3)/(1/3) = 2
In other words if there are infinite amount of season for every season you pay you get the 2 for free as I mentioned earlier.
Let me give you a practical example for a long term (with the disclaimer that Blizzard don't change anything in future for the price and platinum reward, you complete everything and you are not spending it for anything but another BP):
You pay for 10 BP and just stockpile the platinum
So you have 10 BP from the paid one and 6660 platinum. That 6660 platinum is enough for 6 free BP + 660 leftover.
So you have 10+6 BP and 3996 platinum from these 6 seasons and 660 leftover for a total of 4656. These are 4 more seasons and 656 leftover.
You have now 10+6+4 BP and 4*666 = 2664 + 656 = 3320. These are 3 more for free and 320 leftover.
Now you have 10+6+4+3 BP and 3*666 + 320 = 2318. These are 2 more for free and 318 leftover.
10+6+4+3+2 and 2*666 + 318 = 1650. One more free + 650 leftover.
10+6+4+3+2+1 and 666+650 = 1316. One more season and 316 leftover.
10+6+4+3+2+1+1 and 666+316=982. And this is next time you will have to pay.
So with the 10 payed ones you have 27 total (the higher the initial value of the payed ones the closer you will get to the theoretical value from the sum of geometric progression) and 1 almost done. And this one is "almost done" and not completely done because in fact the reward is not 2/3 as initially assumed but slightly less (it would have been 2/3 if the season costs 999 and not 1000).
Some could point out that: "this game ain't gonna live 27 seasons it will die way sooner". Possibly. Or it may get a lot better and be the big title it is meant to be. We don't know. And either way this was just an example how that gaining/spending currency would work out in long term.
I’m a big math guy, my point is that I spent over $100 on the base game, I don’t want 2/3 of a battle pass payed for after buying it once, I want 3/3 🤣
@@HolyGrailGaming and Blizzard wants your money 😂
Well said kinda on the same page . I love the game really enjoy the story and the tons of side quest. I think I will pay for the season pass but I bought the game with a decent discount there is no way in hell I'm paying for any game full price as there are still glitches and bugs in the game
I think it's a bit of an over reaction. Take a game, say Genshin Impact, it has a battle pass that doesn't give you any currency to buy the next one. At least here you are getting a free battle pass basically every other time. I will say though that it's sad that the coolest looking items are locked behind a paywall instead of dropping as items in-game. When you're dealing with a live service game, funds have to come from somewhere to keep development funded. If this were a single player game, sure, pay the box price and you're done.
What you have to keep in mind, is these companies wouldn't monetize this way if it wasn't working. So no matter how much it sucks, you have many more people buying the battle pass that not.
Yeah maybe, but being expected to pay $30 per cosmetic on a game that costs $80 is insanity.
Obviously the skins on a brand new game are going to be more expensive than a Guitar Hero song. Have you seen the level of detail on them?
I can’t tell if this is a troll or not
Great video man. I feel similarly about the battle passes too. Your editing looks really smooth and consistent. Im still trying to hone my editing skills myself. Keep it up :)
Thanks I appreciate that! I don’t think my editing is great but I make multiple videos a week usually so Im hoping that helps me improve :) keep it up as well!
@@HolyGrailGaming Exactly, the more we do it, the better we get... at least that's the hope lol. Most importantly is to have fun and enjoy. :D
I am not going to pay money, and then have to work for the cosmetics....
All the items that come with the pass, should be claimable.
Yeah I somewhat agree, but that’s the typical battle pass experience
@@HolyGrailGaming That is true :)
I just hate it. 🫣
The corporatization of gaming is sad. Decisions being made by old crusty business sitting in a board room discussing 'shareholder value'.
unfortunately that’s all of modern gaming, hence why most of my channel is talking about retros
Save up that plat from each battle pass for the next year then you can get your paid skin but by that time you wouldve spent more over the duration on battlepasses than you would if you bought a skin. Lol ehat a system blizz
honestly typical blizzard greed haha
I think Diablo IV is a solid 6/10 game. Decent graphics, decent sound, decent mechanics. It is hindered by the boss fights (particularly when you hit that 50 level) which are just brainless, scaleable enemies (what’s the point of having different type of enemies if they all feel pretty much the same) instead of how it was resolved in Diablo II, poor cosmetics (all unique items I found looked samey, for the last 10 hours I was wearing 3 different unique helmets and all 3 were visually identical). Ultimately, I got bored of it before finishing off Lilith. I played until the end out cause I wanted to see the ending video but it felt like work.
I don’t hate Diablo IV. But I feel it is held back by mechanics that are too frustrating to ignore.
Microtransactions wouldn’t bother me (as I was never going to purchase anything anyway) if there was more loot variety in the game. But I know that it is exactly because of the microtransactions that the unique aren’t unique. I’m supposed to want to purchase that platinum armor. If unique are already cool, why would I pay for a platinum items? DNC that way of thinking is terrible.
6/10 isn’t terrible but I’m sure developers wanted something better.
I get what you mean! I definitely consider it a lot better than a 6/10, but your criticisms are valid.
@@HolyGrailGaming how would you rate Diablo II? For me it was 10/10. Now - I had fun with D4 initially but all the problems I mentioned did not exist in D2. At the same time, I do not think D4 improves upon any of the important mechanics (except for the graphics and - to some extent - movement). In a vacuum, if there was no progress made in the video-game industry, I am sure I would rate it higher. However given the context (existence of much better rivals - including previous games in Diablo franchise, outdated or bad game mechanics and some baffling development choices) I think it is fair to say it is a 6-7/10 game. It is still better than average but not by a large margin. 30 hours of entertainment is pretty good, it is just a pity it gets hindered by the above mentioned flaws.
The complaints about D4 being boring is not coming only from those with multiple lvl 100. Those are the loud voices, people who put hours into a game not just for fun but as part of content or personal goals. The game is boring because there's nothing (fun) to do. And not just at level 100.. by level 42 it is already down the hill, and by the time you reach 50.. the only thing to do is nightmare dungeons, which are boring because nothing else is challenging and eventually those nightmare dungeons are repetitive.
Complaints about D4 being boring are more from people quiting when they find out game ends at level 40.. and you still have 60 levels of "end game" grinding for nothing 😴
My personal opinion is if you gave up on the game at level 40 you probably haven’t experienced the best parts of the game (breezing through Torment difficulty and taking on crowds of hundreds at a time), but I do agree that the endgame is set up to heavily favour Nightmare Dungeons rather than things like side quests which is a bummer. I still think most of the complaints come from people with insane amounts of gameplay, but that’s just what I’ve personally been seeing online.
@HolyGrailGaming Just to clarify... I didn't stop playing at level 40. I stopped at level 83 at launch and level 77 in season 1. However, I got bored around level 60 in eternal (pre S1), and by level 42 I was bored 😴 in S1. When I see rain 🌧 from my window I do not need to go outside to know I'll get wet. Just as I don't need to play a game I'm already bored just to get to the fun part.
Besides, toer 3 and 4 nightmare dungeons have no different mechanics... only more damage and mobs explode 3 times instead of 2 after death.
I think those games that you need to invest 70% or more in boring game play to reach to the final fun part have an audience....but that's not me.
And I am only a small voice with zero influence in the gaming community... but my feeling was shared by many and as proof... D4 S2 has promised to reduce levelling time by 40% aprox. So maybe more people will reach level 100... and hopefully, that end of the long looong looooooong end game that starts too soon pays off.
I will play S2 because D4 is fun for a while... my only hope is that fun last longer than previous 2 starts
Everything done now is based on providing 'services' after the product is sold/licensed. That is why you see companies moving away from physical copies of most things, from music CDs, to books, to games, to business software.
This creates a situation where you can sell someone a license to use something, vs. the actual thing, and they must subscribe in perpetuity in order to keep using it.
It's a license to print money for the product vendor.
It sucks big time, but it is the way the world is moving, across the board.
There will be a tipping point when people decide to opt out of a lot of the superfluous garbage, and that will inject temporary sanity into things, but until that point is reached, prices for non-essential things will increase as long as the market will bear it.
Your point is 100% valid. Business is all about s**t and lies, always has been, always will be. Ephemeral products (i.e. no physical medium) just shines a brighter light on this.
Yes exactly, digital media is just a license to use the product. The problem occurs when you pay for something and 5 years down the road the company decides to shut it down and you can no longer use it… I buy all of my game’s physical but even then these days you require a 50gb install as soon as you put the disk in 😅
@@HolyGrailGaming yup. Wait awhile, you will see the same sweet behaviour in other areas, like roofing, and other home repairs, where the company that does the work goes 'bankrupt', and becomes another company and you no longer have a warranty. That's even worse than licenses ;-)
@@HolyGrailGaming many popular games run online only anyway, so when they shut down the servers your physical copy wil be worth nothing too :D
The cosmetics are mostly a waste of money even if you are one that likes playing dress-up. Only ones I really like are the emotes since they're visually really distinct from everything else even when zoomed out. Still won't buy them, though I might consider supporting the game once the microsoft transfer is done and I can be sure the working conditions are good for the staff.
yeah the emotes are definitely what tempted me the most from the battle pass. I’d like more of them
So many truths in this video.
Appreciate that!
Genshin Impact 823 day : hold my beer
lol I have a lot of friends on the same page, apparently it’s pretty addicting
The thing with D4 skins in shop is that they are soooooo bad that if they were even 3 dollars I dont wish and want any of them.... Nothing makes me want those shity sets.
they also “refresh” the shop every few hours but literally just recycle the same few skins
I'm at 751 hours lol and I still have love
Blizzard loves you very much
I enjoy D4 a lot. Played to 100 pre-season and got 3 characters up to the 80-90ies in season 1 before I got tired of it. Game has some QoL issues, but otherwise it's great value for money in terms of how many hours of fun you get out of it. I'm happy to pay for the season pass to support any live action game that I love playing. If people didn't the game would obviously die a lot faster.
Agree that the skins are overpriced af, but they are totally optional and do not affect your gameplay one bit.
Yeah I really enjoy playing it and am stoked for Season 2. I also think it’s great that skins don’t impact gameplay at all, it’s just a bummer that someone like me who enjoys the game won’t buy one purely because I think it’s a terrible scummy business move charging that much for a cosmetic 😔
You guys are Not allowed to enjoy the game and be positive. D4 Bad. Now, go play Starfield and pretend that it’s good. Or go play Turn based Baldurs gate 3 and tell yourself it’s the greatest video game of all time. Just remember: D4 Bad.
They do in fact affect our gameplay. Instead of having cool rewards in the game they are placed in the shop. Also, the incentive to make a good and complete game goes out the window when whales fund your game through microtransactions.
It's scummy and shouldn't be given a pass. The battlepass however...meh. Kinda scummy kinda not.
I don't agree that most people that got board with this game have insane amounts of play time. I have two characters, one when the game came out and one when the season started and the highest level I reached was 68. I began to see the repetitive grind of the game, got board, then quit. I would not be surprised if alot of people had the same experience as I did. This is coming from someone who loves ARPG games.
That’s fair, I have a lot more gameplay and am still not bored of it but everyone has their own opinions! I really like the mechanics 🤷♂️
Hey, thats awesome! Im really hoping that season 2 can bring me back. Been following the patches and they have gotten me excited to jump back in again.@@HolyGrailGaming
The gameplay is fun to me try playing Destiny 2 for 5 years then talk too me bout repetition. Like strike raid crucible just to level every season.. it’s some real grindy bs
I’ve only played it a few times but have heard the same complaint from friends
calls himself Holy Grail Gaming and havent played one game for 500 hours.
yes
Arpgs measure player hours in the 1000s 😂. I disregarded your entire video when you said you only put 50hrs into games
I’ve clocked in 100s on a few (any soulsborne or elder scrolls), but yeah man even if I wanted to I don’t have the time to clock in 1000s on any one game
@@HolyGrailGaming so putting 50hrs into a game designed to take 50hrs is perfectly fine. Fromsoft games are designed to fill a 50 to 100hr timeframe. ARPGs like Diablo or Path Of Exile are designed to have players continually play for years. Go to their subreddits and make a post asking for play time and you'll see. Also just wanted to point out, to my knowledge CoD is the only game that gives you enough to buy the next battle pass. I think Dead by daylight might, but I personally dont play it. I know Destiny didnt back when i played it. Most games dont give you any premium currency like PUBG and PoE.
And their season pass is complete trash and on the micro transactions subject check out Destiny battle pass and store it’s way worse. And you crying about Diablos micro transactions is hilarious because you believe that these devs make this game for YOU to be happy and satisfied….. wake up bro it hasn’t been like that since mid 2000s and enough people are still going to buy and play because most people don’t rely on a battle pass to pay for another battle pass most have jobs and sink their money into a game they enjoy like Diablo knowing it’s a waste of money in the long run
Dawg I’m just saying it sucks and I think most people agree that paying for microtransactions is pretty lame. To each their own though!
50 hours are rookie numbers for an rpg especially for an mmo, the game has a good foundation with some QoL changes and some extra content like in D3 you know extra torment difficulties and new content it'll be a lot better. i've personally spent thousands of hours playing skyrim nevermind how long i played WoW for before they messed it up
Sadly 50 hours is usually all the time that I can dedicate to most games regardless of genre because of work and school. If an RPG doesn’t entice me to play more once I’m close to that 50 hour mark that usually tells me all I need to know about the game. But I do agree with you that minor improvements will make D4 into a really great game down the road! Also, I’ve personally spent thousands of hours playing Oblivion and probably Runescape back in the day so we’re on the same page 😅
they totally need to add some things to make it more enjoyable and to entice people to keep playing. I'm a long time elder scrolls fan been playing since elder scrolls 3 morrowind, skyrim has been out a long time now, looking forward to skyblivion. Played many hours of d3 so i'm hoping they can make this just as good. thanks for the reply@@HolyGrailGaming
Go play tears of the kingdom. You should be able to pull 500 hrs and still be having fun
I actually have a full review dropping next month. Good game, definitely not a 500 hour game for me, but I enjoyed it overall.
Damn I must agree with you a lot.
Also - remember that paid expac is also coming - probably 40$ every 12 months.
This game is such a cash grab sadly :/
Also remember season are free
It absolutely is, but I’ll still be buying them because this game has me hooked 😭
Of course you love D4 it’s always easy for the busted Necro lmao
LOL the bone spear necro felt so OP late game, but I actually preferred playing as my Barbarian!
#495. 5 more people bro!
just hit it, appreciate you!!
D4’s battle pass is bad because this is a top down game where you can already barely see your character and that’s before the million and one effects on screen. So the value of cosmetics are pretty low at a baseline. I can’t imagine why people would spend money for that.
If it was like $5 I’d be okay with it lol
There is an option in the menu too highlight your character though
A sub from me.
A thanks from me.
Stop being a troll
🧌
Whole game is a scam and will shut down completely when they get enough money they eat out of people
highly doubt that honestly
@HolyGrailGaming because you don't see how much everything is and it eats money
So anyway diablo 4 is kind like bad
waht to poe2
🤷♂️
i'm sry but why show the act man's video as an example for the d4 bad bandwagon? he has explained clearly each of his points why d4 is bad.
Don’t be sorry, I just found it on reddit as the first search when I typed in Diablo is bad. I’ve actually hated on his videos before but after going back and watching that one he does a good job of explaining his opinions. Though I do think he heavily blows his complaints out of proportion
@@HolyGrailGaming Yep, he also jumped on the bandwagon and his complaints are mostly not consistent with the rest of the playerbase.
Real bad take
Okay, Larry.
Hows the job with Activision going, ya eggplant?