Thank you for the video. It earned my sub. I played rogue until lvl 60, got bored bc lack of end game less than 2 weeks after the game released, quit, and haven’t looked back. It makes me want to play POE as well
Great video. As someone who played D1/2/3/3 expansion. And not immortal or D4 or path of exile. I honestly think at this point elden ring is better than D4 and Exhile Yes totally diff game genre. But tbh this Diable genre of games Is so boring graphics wise and the game feels like a loop of wall around click do stuff hoardes of enemies perish, repeat. Not saying they are easy games they aren't But they are so repetitive. I prefer to play elden ring, nioh, etc and other souls like gamed over diablo like games So to me I am boycotting diablo like games for life
@@JD-bw3he if you buy 1 currency tab, 1 map tab and, if you play trade, 1 premium tab you have already everything you need to play, more convenience than d4 (admittedly not a lot) and more stash space than d4. This costs 30 bucks when the tabs are not on sale. But the cosmetics are definitely more than overpriced.
I only played POE a little back in 2020 and liked it but my PC couldn't handle it. Forward to now, I played D4 and thought it was fun but it left me wanting more. I then remembered POE only now I've got a good PC. I've been having a blast so far and love the depth POE has. So thank you D4 for getting me back into POE.
"it left me wanting more" - That's pretty much Diablo's business model in a nutshell. They give you JUST enough to keep you hooked and they drip feed you a little bit more each season. PoE on the other hand you get A LOT of stuff each season and it actually sticks around for you to enjoy long after the season is over. I've skipped many seasons of PoE and come back and found all sorts of things that I missed and still enjoy playing it.
@@kwith While you are right, that is actually not always true. PoE also has often mediocre or bare bone seasons. I remember 12 months ago when the big streamers like steelmage ragequitted poes new season because of some design choices they made to loot etc. So it's not all shiny and great at PoE either. Also I personally do not see the microtransactions currently as an issue in D4 because PoE is also impossible to play serious for free. It's also a $50 game to get proper stash tabs while currently D4 is only about cosmetics - at least for now. In d3 you got stash tabs per season so maybe they get the issues fixed (which are still a joke). D4 definitvely has it's issues but still i had my fun over some time. Can't complain about spending $70 after playing 200 hours at least. I think it is worth looking into the game herre and there like in D3 over the years. But it is hard to recommend poe either. I mean 12 months ago all big streamers like steelmage started to boycott the game because of new design decissions - poe was burning... but now its the best arpg of all time again? just because something is worse? I love poe, but damn we need poe2 asap. and poe needs to focus on new player experience... PoE still has a lot of issues that are actually holding back new players: Why the f do i need PoB to play this game? It's so ridiculous not to give new players a option to "test" builds early game. this takes a lot of fun to experiment with things you find (e.g. gems or items). There is absolutely no reason to not offer some free respec till for example level 80 for example or giving someone 500 reset points. I know so many people that just stop playing after a couple of hours because they are frustrated to be overwhelmed by the skill tree and not having the option to respec early on (without materials). The skill tree would not be overwhelming if they could try out stuff ingame. It would bother no one: you have to relevel gems anyways and pros play with pob also... workinng through their checklist. why nnot give new players a good new player experience. why not have at least a overview early on what gems are available in the game to have an imagination of skills... the problem is that as a new player you have almost zero freedom in poe to experiment... same about loot filter or crafting... all this stuff does last epoch from SSF perspective actually does hundred times better in my opinion. for me there are also three other factors for me: 1) poe is ugly af and just dated. we really need poe2 asap. 2) the flask spam is annoying (but k they got some automation for it - still annoying). 3) multiplayer does not really feel good. the issue with poe is just that its hard to be "on the same level of strenght" as other players. i know barely people that do not play this game solo. a lot of stuff is to single player focussed in my opinion and it is hard to be on the same stage as your friends. wish they would may get this some more time because that was always something that made d3 a betterr experience in mulitplayer and having fun with friends at least.
i don't know what's wrong with me but for some reason i like to watch asmongold's reactions but at the same time i fast forward the moments where he speaks until he unpauses the video
You hit the nail on the head. The game was fun until I hit 50ish. After that, I wished I could refund the game. It was hilarious watching playership drop off. I'm not exaggerating when I say nearly all my bnet friends were playing D4 the first two weeks. After everyone hit mid game, nearly everyone stopped playing. I hopped on yesterday to see if it was as bad as I felt like it was. A whopping 2/200ish friends were playing D4.
"He hit the nail on head!" R*tardhe parroting and the amount of idiotic things hes saying like how "items are fun" the f*ck he on about and MTX stashes, where is this?
That's basically my friends list with any major release 2-3 weeks they just hardcore whatever game it is then go play something else until a season/DLC/Expansion releases for said game.
@@DisastrousIntentionallyYeah, and the season got nerfed right off the bat. Its still repetitive and very shallow. Fun is not there and I had to stop playing due to the scaling BS, lack of content and gear. Its just not fun, for me anyway.
As a kinda new player to POE, having soo much fun following a path of building guide and mapping with an galvanic field/arc inquisitor ramping up over 2mil damage with lots of power charges and potential to grow.. Also it looks more appealing to me than d4, the amount of end game content in POE is INSANE!!! And yes, ITS FREE!!!
It is not really 'free' - if you want to play trade you will likely need a currency tab (~$12) and at least one more premium tab for trading ($5) but you definitely get more value out of those payments, and can add them gradually as things go on sale.
Yeah, it's not free. PoE is basically an extended free trial, you absolutely need to buy stash tabs if you plan to endgame at all, unless you want to spend literal hours weeding through your shit with the terrible amount of stash tabs they give by default.
@@DisastrousIntentionally PoE gives you as a default the exact same amount of stash as D4 does in it's $70 paid version. So yes, Path of Exile IS free. The fact that everyone wants more stash space does not negate this.
It's free 2 play and that's a fact. I have done all content including Ubers and leveled to 100 in ssf without a single extra stash tab, yes, it's pretty painful lol but it's absolutely doable.
And for those who dont like either option: Grim Dawn is cheap and delightful. Especially with the... "overload" i think it's called(?) Mod which basically just speeds things up and maxes out returns so ypu can play around with more of the "ooh! New character build idea! Brb!" Feeling. Also, great lore!
Only issues I have with Grim Dawn, how bosses can just be immune to things you build towards sometimes and rely on for keeping your whole setup functional (like freezing enemies to nuke them down) on Normal difficulty things like Blackwater Molotov and Blood Pox can essentially just win the game without investments anywhere else and I hate the abundance of enemies that explode and hurt you after you kill them. Besides those things, I'd say it's a very solid alternative, even over Torchlight.
Funny, playing a few hours of diablo 4 made me quit it to go play Grim Dawn (which I am still playing currently). Never played PoE, I look at the skill tree and go nope!
@@Gakusangi i havent *specifically* run into that problem, but I have run into a couple of the bosses going from "a hearty challenge" to "are you fucking kidding me?!?!? He's got like 900k HP and my rifle does 27. 😐"
Though, in fairness: did a little grinding, re-considered some skill points and gear, and managed to always find SOME way to beat the bosses! 🤔 still havent beaten the whole campaign, because they make BUILDING characters so fun and interesting! I just keep making new ones! 😅
I have never liked level scaling in any game, it always feels like everything thing says the same at the best, and a punishment for leveling at the worst, I absolutely loved how the beta had scaled areas
I think its ok for scaling bosses + open world (non-linear gameplay) so that no matter what path you take, its always a gate to higher difficulty. Just dont scale EVERYTHING even the bugs and small mobs that really just makes scaling / leveling pointless.
imho the world scaling in d2r is perfect, the monster levels per zone per act per difficulty tier are fixed and you still have differences within one difficulty between the acts, so its viable to sometimes just go back to a certain act or area and level up a bit more or farm for items. thats not possible in d4, everything is just so samey, the power fantasy. and another thing is that d2 does not display monster level, its all more about feeling your way through, and i think its a good thing. way way to much shit is popping up during fights in D4, its incredibly annoying that i can not turn everything off.
@@th3orist And with mods in d2r you can increase the density of the monster if you want more difficulty, you can change the max level of the skill and the amount of skill point you get per level.
All I can say I played PoE so much I ended up buying a new mouse. The end game is a treat... The game looks sort of intimidating, annoying and complicated for those who went to check it out. Once you dig a little deeper, it is an amazing game that release about 10 years ago.
@@zaktech7816d4 don't compete with PoE directly. Where you got that from? Most PoE players will not go from PoE to any Diablo game because it's to simple.
@@zaktech7816PoE had 8 years to get the end game good, they had 8 years to ironed out stuff. I'm not saying we should wait 8 years for D4 to be good but give the game some time. It's 5 weeks since launch
I started playing Path of Exile and within a couple of hours of playing I was nearly in tears. PoE treats the player and the game experience so well and the crisp and high-quality gameplay felt out of place in today's abusive game industry where everything is a cash grab WITH a sh*t experience. PoE feels like the true modern sequel to Diablo 2, the greatest ARPG of the early 2000's. I'm still learning stuff in PoE but so far it is highly complex yet rewards the time I spend on testing new builds and reading.
@@ZishPOE please link me to a video explaining what you mean. Are you saying that the story/gameplay is SO deep that gaming people are like “nah I’m a shallow person, this is no longer my cup of tea.” And then leaves?
Bullshit, PoE doesn't treat players well lol the new player experience is genuinely one of the worst in all of gaming and this is coming from somebody with thousands of hours on the game. Quit lying.
yeah, they don't like the idea of us grind so fast and easily into top notch powerful builds to facetank any content, they would like the idea of making us cool in front of other players, even if the used cosmetics are pretty small in default game view/window but pretty expensive as well (where a full purchased battlepass coins would not make it possible to buy shop skins, different from Fortnite)
I am old enough to have played diablo 1 day 1. In 1997 we were wondering how incredible games would be in 2000's, not even thinking about 2020' s. You cannot imagine how furious/sad I am. (Precision : my main is lvl100, my 2 sons play D4 as well. We really wanted to love this game .) A detail that makes me mad ; They put mobs EVERYWHERE on the map, not a single time you can stop an observe the environnement. This "open world" do not feel organic at all . You find some Npc alone , surrounded by a horde of undeads ... How this makes any sense ? And of course they ask me to kill 10 snakes. This game is lame. (Sorry for this , I am very upset.)
First point is literally the opposite of what players want though, ARPGs should have mob density as it's about killing stuff and farming, D4 feels empty. I've played D1 and D2 too. With the rest i agree.
Dude, I'm in the same boat. My shattered dream was Planetside. I remember playing TR on a three-way combined arms fight with hundreds of players....on DIALUP. Me and my little Flak MAX just clearing skyway of enemy Reavers and Gals, and all I could think was "I'm getting CABLE net in a few months...this is gonna blow up HUGE!!!!" Fast Forward 20 years, and Daybreak's a joke, PS2's a shell of a game(more like a shell game at this point) and the world revolves around the new "hotness:" 10-12 person MOBA shooters that feel even SMALLER than QUAKE, Doom and Counterstrike maps did....
glad youre having fun with poe. dont be afraid to look up build guides for it lol! its an amazing game but it is very heavy on requiring knowledge you may not get your first - 20th time through.
@foowii4421 of course if d4 had a paragon board 30x the size it would to. You literally need to play poe for 50 hours just to start to figure it out. And poe has a horrible pay to win community.. you will never compete in that game
you're over thinking. don't rush. you don't need to beat the game first league. just play, loot, get better. its the journey every league for all of us.
Fun fact: Sacred had a horse in it almost two decades before Diablo IV. Sacred Gold (the equivalent of GotY version) is only $10 on GoG and Steam. Titan Quest Anniversary Edition is also pretty good.
Titan Quest somehow got an update last year too, 20 years later. Also Diablo 2 has 2 fan mods, Path of Diablo does a lot of rebalancing and brings modern day conveniences to the game, and Project Diablo 2 is still running and does similar to PoD, including late game mapping systems, lots of revamping, better crafted items, better rares, better late game balancing, more viable farming zones. It's a blast.
Fun fact about that Titan Quest update. The team behind titan quest has been working on their spiritual successor grim dawn for most of the last decade and it was so successful it allowed them to do several expansions and revisit TQ for an expansion. That team really loves ARPG's.@@juttyism
I'm surprised more people didn't see this honeymoon phase coming and also abruptly ending. I was also surprised by the level scaling not being more criticized in early reviews. I thought people learned the issues with level scaling like this years ago.
Scaling was issue ever since ES4: Oblivion, perhaps even before that. It broke my enjoyment of Star Wars: The Old Republic also. There are tons of negative examples, and barely any positive, and even then it is just for some small group of people.
@@peppermint3808 Bloat is seperated from most playthroughs, most players won't experience it unless they want to. $20 is enough for a starter pack on sale for end-game.
They need new ideas at end game, instead of grind and repeat maybe a time attack or a skill challenge for your class, a survival mode dungeon with limited use of heals. Those are just of top of my head yet a billion dollar studio cannot come up with some new ideas.
Nah, less would be more IMHO - what do I mean? Look at Diablo 2! Diablo two is not super expansive with a large open world full of bad side side-quests etc.! No, Diablo 2 is a bit bare-bones over all, but it is still better than D4 - especially since the characters FEEL like heroes (with a sorc you can clear the screen in 1-2 casts of your main ability, except immunes! In D4? You need to proc everything, time it right etc. and even then it isn't half as smotth! Same for a say a Hammerdin, a Javazon, a Bowazon, a Necromancer (even Army-Mancers do work in D2!) or a Hurricane-Druid! Not to mention that in D2 you aren't out of Mana constantly! My Blizzard-Sorc in D2R has almost no mana-problems and if I am low? There's pots!)
They could have made the strongholds end-game content instead of throw-away levelling content. Pack them full of level 130+ elites and once you've completed all 3 in the zone you unlock a cosmetic armor set for your class themed around that zone. The strongholds were actually really interesting and dark, but you were done with them in 10 to 15 minutes. Imagine wandering in there while levelling, getting 1 shot by an elite 80 levels higher than you, knowing you'd have to gear up to take them down.
We're talking about a billion dollar studio that had all of the necessary tools in place to do something mind-numbingly obvious in D3's endgame, and didn't do it. Rifts allow the character to go deeper and deeper into a dungeon with the promise of more rewards and higher difficulty the deeper you go. Greater Rifts were timed versions. It's not overwhelmingly obvious at first but once seen it cannot be unseen: the only difference between a regular Rift and Diablo I is the story. For all intents and purposes, the endgame of D3 is a D1 mini-game. Almost everything that existed in D1 existed in some form in D3. IIRC, most of the assets for D2 were there, as well. So, where were the Time Rifts? Just using the word 'rift' implies an intent to implement them but they never came to be. I'm not saying that Time Rifts allowing you to 'play' D1 in D3 would have somehow turned D3 into the greatest game ever made. I'm saying that Blizzard had everything necessary to give their players a collective orgasm and decided against it. It was right there in big neon lights, it took no effort at all to think about, players were asking for it because it was staring everybody in the face, it was the most obvious thing in the world they could possibly have done... and they chose to ignore it. If they can't do THAT, how can anyone reasonably expect them to do something actually innovative?
Blizz's track record over the last 5+ years is the best version of the game is the first few months as they gradually make it worse and worse. I think it's going to be worse in a year, not better.
As a sorc I wish that 3 of my hotbar slots were not near compulsory taken by 3 defensive moves. The 'mmo' bit is there ONLY to stop pirating, I'm convinced of that.
It's just as bad for barbarians too ( my main). The 3 shouts + wrath of the berserker are in 95% of builds you'll see online, the only things that differ will be the build/spender abilities and glyph selection
More darker tone? Yes. More sexual censorship? Also yes. Im confused that nobody talked about that tbh. Usually thats one of the first things people get angry about, but maybe we are just happy that Succubi didnt got replaced by flying fruits?
I think they did a pretty good job nailing the tone and feeling. I'm enjoying the game so far, but like I did in D2 - in a very casual way. I get that many want the hardcore, the PvP, the endgame, but if you'd look at the numbers, I'd bet the casual audience is way larger and they just want a solid AAA experience, playing through the story once or twice. D4 provides a very good experience in this regard.
@@jasonwoods3870 Are you kidding? xD Diablo 1 AND 2 wipe the floor with Diablo 4 in terms of "dark tone" and even more, when it comes to tight atmospheres.
Another recommendation for Titan Quest/Grim Dawn here. 1:05 really nails down why PoE (and presumably D4) feel more like benchmarks than games for me. I enjoyed planning characters more than "playing" them. TQ/GD has the character planning too, but along with a game that I actually get a level of enjoyment from playing, rather than just testing whether a build works.
I enjoy a bit of both, which is why I feel like Last Epoch is better you not only need to plan your build, seeking all the right stats as well as planning out your passive skill tree and your active skills skill tree (oh yeah, each active skill has a skill tree, but you can only gain access to 5 at a time)
I'm a fan of both of those titles (GD/TQ) for the flexibility in character building and the worlds, but I don't find the combat in many ARPG of this style (those titles included) as engaging as D4. The dodge/movement skills and positional awareness needed in D4 provides more of an enjoying challenge in my opinion.
@@councilofmagus1750 I actually agree on the dodging thing, I like the spacebar dodge, I hope more games yoink it from Lost Ark like D4 did, its a good mechanic imo. For me D4 just needs more of a reason to actually use it to dodge stuff lol, cuz everyone I know, and have watched, and myself included, just use the dodge to move faster. The game is not challenging, or rather it doesn't have any mechanics to dodge, most of the mechanics are on death effects or spawn directly on top of you. But I agree on the idea of it, its a nice idea, they just need to actually execute on it. I feel like that statement is true for a lot of D4, a lot of good ideas, but bad execution.
They're both decent Arpgs but they have some issues when it comes to replayability. You've pretty much seen it all after 1-3 playthroughs. That being said they're cheap so any fan of the genre should play them at least once. Why PoE is considered Great and Grim Dawn merely "Good" is the replayability of PoE.
This video convinced me to start playing PoE, and I absolutely am loving it. I faced more challenge in the first 2 hours of PoE than my entire time in D4.. and progression feels rewarding. My one complaint is the lack of an easy way to respec. I found that because of this, players usually just make a new character if they want to make any significant changes to the passive tree.
I love PoE It gave me great concern when Tencent acquired the majority of it, but it has been great and has survived the test of time and competition, or lack of decent enough of it. The amount of endless customization with builds had me hooked on a dangerous level. It's free for goodness sake, it's still mindblowing remembering the my first runs and having stayed up so long because I was just so enamored with the game and its vast customization.
Every other game of this genre I play reminds me of how magical Diablo and Diablo II were. They just had this touch or atmosphere to them that makes them just FUN to play for hours. D3, and, it seems, D4, are just missing that touch.
Nostalgia. That's what you're talking about. I played both D1 and D2 at release(yes, I'm an old man these days) and neither had the potential D4 has at their respective releases. Largely because a lot of the ARPG functions we all know and love hadn't been dreamed up yet. D3 was a solid game. It was a terrible release and fizzled out until they hit their stride in seasonal play and I ended up having more fun in season 28(despite not liking the cartoon-y art style and arcade speed gameplay) than I did in any previous season of that game. People need to give games time to breathe before Chicken Little'ing off the deep end. D3 and PoE had 10 years of development to polish them into what they are. D2R had even longer and is still not as great as some claim it is. Chill out and let it breathe...
I remember when D2 came out, there was a rumor that the M ESRB rating was partially because the Amazon was topless. I think it delayed when we got it because of that.
There are a few things sadly that prevent me from enjoying POE. Which makes putting up with whatever shortcomings D3 and in particular D4 has the more viable option. For me to enjoy POE there would need to be the ability to respec in SSF, I don't enjoy trading, or having to trade at all. POE has this amazing build diversity but then seems like it does everything it can to prevent you from experimenting with it. In the past when I played it I would make my own obviously bad builds and be unable to progress and be unable to respec. Even If I liked trading I don't think I could fix the character. It just got to the point where I couldn't progress through the acts. Which starts to really highlight the softcore death penalty. I felt like soon as I leveled I could have fun but the further that XP bar got across, the more I had to just kill 1 trash mob over and over to get the level finished . If they had a super softcore mode where you could respec in SSF and no death penalty's I'd be team POE all day. Been many years since I have played it so maybe some of this has changed.
Yeah, Orbs of Regret (the 1 point respec orbs) are quite rare even if you farm the lower value currency to exchange it at vendor. Anything above 20-30 points and its faster to roll a new char than fixing the old one. Let's not even start with the death xp penalty, I am stuck on lvl 90 since forever because lower tier maps don't give much exp and on higher tier ones one mistake or lagspike and 1h+ of progress is gone. Waiting for PoE 2 at this point. Edit: According to wiki, you can farm Basilica, Defiled Cathedral and The Chamber of Innocence maps for 'The Innocent' divination card, then exchange 10 of them for 40 Regrets if thats any consolation.
You kind of play a hard mode that the game is not balanced around - you probably should play a trade league as SSF and make this one trade for regrets. And also - your first build should be rock solid, you experiment with second char, when diue to your main you roll in currency, even in SSF. As for dying - if your goal is leveling do not play content that oneshots you. Yes, it might feel 2 or 4 times slower but will be way faster if you count resets.
I play POE in a very casual manner (but every league) and the best way to do that I've found, is playing in trade league but treating it like you are playing SSF. So if you REALLY get stuck on something you can trade. But most of the time I just enjoy the game as a solo experience.
If you play trade league, you can respec to your heart's content. But trade league endgame is mostly crafting/flipping, which I quickly got bored of. It's more of an MMO-lite than an arpg tbh.
@@wailfulcrab At endgame it's quite common tho depending on the endgame mechanic you went with. But nothing that can be done to those who hate trading like OP above, since trading is another easy way to get lots of regrets.
Seeing as I bought Diablo 2 and 3 on their last Switch Sale, the mechanics seem to have not impoved at all and especially the inventory management, map usage and skill progression were like _that_ even in the original Diablo 2. Thanks for pointing them out - for me the question won't be "Why play D4 if there are free alternatives?" but "Why buy D4 if the developers did not only *not* bother to improve game play mechanics that were outdated 10 years ago but also stacked the MTX-implementation even after having been called out for that in Diablo Immortal?!"
For me, it was the level scaling and combat. At no point did I feel like leveling up or getting gear upgrades made me more powerful. The enemies always took the same amount of time to kill for me. I prefer more rippy combat like in PoE. Day 1 of D4 season 1, I bought Last Epoch and I'm kicking myself for not doing this on D4 launch day instead.
This video was very helpful for me. I am new to ARPGs with Diablo IV and I have gotten bored with it. The good thing out of it is I was able to learn about POE and you video just gave me more reason to give it a try. Thanks!
Maybe it just wasn’t for you. The game is great and people are having a field day. There are things it does wrong but people are being extra. Diablo 4 has 20x the concurrent players of PoE at its highest peak so let’s not act like it isn’t a really good game.
@@Aye-Em except it's really not once you finish the story. For people who want to dig deep into a good end-game Diablo 4 just doesn't offer very much at all.
In comparison to POE, D4 is meh at best for me. I understand this is my opinion. I like a game that requires a lot of depth to grind for, craft up, and learn. POE checks these boxes for me personally. D4 still has a chance as they are not near as far into their journey as POE is.
I remember when I saw your first vid on PoE. A friend had recommended it to me a day before, and I thought it was auspicious that I heard about it from this channel a few days later. I installed it, tried playing, and just couldn't get into it. I shelved it for a while and never really looked back However, a few years later, I happened to be browsing my steam games and remembered I had it. I decided to give it another chance, and now I'm enthralled. I'm in the process of trying to beat the campaign with as little outside help as possible. Now here you are, putting out another video. Very auspicious this time!
this happens all the time, my friend who now has over 4000 hours in the game said he would never touch the game again after he tried it for the first time. it really does feel as if a friend pushing you to try the game is actually counter productive but once you choose to try it on your own you end up being hooked.
@@alecsimard7253 my friend didn't push it on me, but I get your point. I know I've probably been that guy who pushes things a bit too hard sometimes and puts people off it
Really Appreciate the honest review. Been debating whether it was worth the buy and this solidified it for me. I’m bummed because I enjoyed Diablo 3 immensely. Looks like I’ll have to give Path of Exile a try though.
At least wait till there’s a sale if possible. Good game but gets very stale after the campaign. I go back once in awhile for an hour or two but then move on to another game. I just get bored by 50-70 on any character.
I gotta say while I agree with your concerns about D4, my problem with PoE is the complexity. I have played a few seasons but only until like Dominus (boss) until I just got burned out. PoE is wayyy too complex for normal people like me to make their own build. If you don't follow a build guide, you are eventually softlocked where you can't progress anymore. In General, I think there are just too many systems and mechanics and stats and other things to know. Also I am missing an option to ALWAYS completely reset my skilltree and start anew. Just using those Books that give you like 2 Respec points sucks. And maybe there is another option but I wouldn't even know.
Poe is to complex for anybody. its bloated dogsh*t game for it. On top of them obviously hiring psychologist to manipulate you into thinking the game is free when in reality its really not.
Yeah as a PoE veteran with over 4000 hours in the game I had discussion with my friends playing the game about how hard it would be to get into the game if I started today with all the mechanics that have been drip fed to me over the years. Just like starting a MMO years after release it must feel very overwhelming as a new player and this is the criticism a lot of people that play PoE and recommend it are missing. One of my friends tried the game twice quitting it very early each time until he played it to the end of the campaign with a build he liked and he got hooked barely trailing behind me in hours played now (he no-lifes even harder than I do). The respec is a very valid point that a lot of elitist will fight against but I don't see why you can't have free respec until at least lvl 60ish for new players to try things out.
The lack of gear is such a strange thing for them to have neglected. The whole game loop of finding cool stuff, agonizing over cool upgrade paths and feeling that power curve is the whole reason people stick with the game. They even manage to mostly kill the desire to roll new alts because the classes are so simplified if you want something that actually works.
the main take away from this video ->TLDR: POE has ironed out all the features D4 has and its free. personal thought, POE is much more complex to borderline too complex and you almost NEED to follow a build guide to navigate that skill tree, and is made for the hardcore ARPG players. D4 is more casual.
PoE also is a free demo, basically his complaint about stashtabs can be applied to f2p PoE,if you want to enjoy the game and have enough space for the billions of different items you need to pay for the stash tabs,and it will cost you more than d4,also the cosmetics are much more expensive in poe and the in game items look like shit. Respeccing in Poe is much worse than in d4 and content has been fleshed out over many years. D4 can be improved but the game is more fun than not. While PoE is the opposite,it traded fun gameplay in favor of complexity and it pushes you to spend money in order to surpass the complexity and the awful looks.
@@1un4cyif you know how to craft you can make even a 8+ link item with 3 sockets. But Elder/Shaper influence crafting is no joke and you need knowledge about currency and how to craft
Glad you made this. I started following your content before you removed "gaming" off the channel name. Only recently found out you played PoE tho. The granular control of your character in PoE just can't be matched. Every league is something new for me. Been playing for about 4 years now. I'm already burnt out from d4 and doubt I'll even touch season 1 sadly. Cannot wait for the PoE2 info drop at Exilecon tho! As always keep up the killer content brother. Much love.
Here's my take on why "go play path of exile" is something I won't do ever again: I tried playing PoE a couple of times already. Tried making my own build and every single time I realized a few hours into the game that my character was absolute shit. Hitting many walls. You could say that this is because I am stupid or a bad player and I could agree. However, even being stupid and a bad player I could finish D4 campaign and have a little fun. With PoE I was only getting frustrated. Eventually I followed other people's advice and followed a build guide and man... this is simply not for me. I only have a couple of hours per week to play and why on earth should I waste it letting other people play for me? In my opinion, PoE is a bloated game. Full with unnecessary (and sometimes redundant) attributes that sometimes I think are only there for the sake being a "complex game". Another major point for me is play style. Even after following a build guide I realized that most of the gameplay revolve around spamming the same button ad aeternum. I can understand if this is for you but to me this just isn't fun. I have quit MMORPGs I really enjoy before for this exact reason. Finally, I honestly think the game looks aesthetically horrible, the passive skill tree is a huge turn off and I don't like small things that D4 approaches differently like having to search for gems to use skills and spending a lot of time having to reorganize my inventory every time I pick up an item because even though I have the space, it won't fit in the way it is organized. D4 is far from perfect and I could also list a couple of things I don't like, such as level scaling. But it all comes down to personal preference, I honestly can't play PoE but I understand if your prefer it.
For me the firsr and early experience is the best. There are so many moments where yo feel very powerful because you found that special item that gives you a boost over mobs for th next 5 levels that its really enjoyable. its a pitty that falls flat very fast and is not happening in the endgame so much. Maybe thaty why i like roguelikes now better these days.
I completely agree with the level up points needing to be placed "correctly." I was getting crushed early game because I put points into skills I thought were cool and started upgrading them willy nilly. Once I looked up a build, I followed it and now I'm crushing it.
Soooo instead of fun it is ANOTHER job, another chore? No, TY. Great you have shared your experience. I LIKE, ENJOY playing like you did in the start. IT simply is not a game for me it seems.
One of the reasons Grim Dawn is my favorite arpg. 36 class combos with multiple ways to spec each one and play very differently. Almost any spec can work if you have the gear to support it. Respecs are cheap no matter where you are in the leveling process so it really supports the fun of making big changes to see how they play when you find something interesting.
Diablo IV is *heavily* designed-by-committee, formula, and to drive players to the store. Gone are the days where the development team is allowed to grow, innovative and experiment. Gone is the passion and creative freedom we saw in Diablo and Diablo II. This iteration is barely complete and stretched paper-thin. My days of buying Activision/Blizzard games are probably at an end, unfortunately.
@@PaxAmericana76If you're really interested in that answer, there's a lot of good videos on YT explaining the slippery slope of microtransactions. Basically it comes down to how offensive their gluttonous greed is, and how these will inevitably evolve into gameplay affecting microtransactions (although they should really be called Macrotransactions at this point). There's also the fact that special armor, mounts, and other items are supposed to be simply extremely rare, and not dependent on how much disposable income you have. Only time, skill and desire should be required. Often, certain gameplay elements (like a proper inventory for example) will be left out, so in the future, a new microtransaction will appear to save the day. Not enough inventory slots or tabs? Simply buy another! No one should be arguing in the defense of a multi-billion dollar company that pays its executives more money than you'll ever make in ten lifetimes, and its development teams chump change in comparison.
>formula, and to drive players to the store. you clowns are so dishonest in 300 hours of d4 the game never forced me to check the store in 2k hours of poe i was forced to buy multiple tabs and if you dont buy mtx you are always going to look like a clown because the base game has zero good looking armor
Biggest problem for me always was, and always will be, no way to play offline despite costing $70. It's not like the game is an MMO or even requires other players. Weeks in and I couldn't even find another player who wanted to party up, with everybody seemingly wanting to play solo.
If EHG can keep up with their innovation I think Last Epoch will be up there among the best ARPGs once it's fleshed out more. It's already in a solid enough place for that between the crafting system, each skill having its own skill tree, legendary potential and the upcoming trading system, just need more of that innovation coming.
I'm glad you put your input. I felt conflicted myself. Playing this game felt like they threw everything together real quick and didn't care about it. The rewards are gate kept and so many of the items are more useless than diablo 2 dead items.
@@AkiRa22084 after reviewing your account I found that you're mad my opinion differs from yours and instead of offering valid criticism you try to offend me. I don't mind that, I just wish you would do a better job at it.
@@ThisDique Where did I offend you? Don't be a snowflake. Everything you wrote made no sense. It is impossible to have gatekept rewards and most D4 items are great. What are you talking about, you do a better job.
@@AkiRa22084 rewards are gate kept by your personal level i.e. sacred and ancestral. The ultra rare unique items are 820+ and everything must be replaced constantly. You have no chance of finding an ultra rare and saving it for a higher level when can use it because people like you value short term gratification instead of delayed gratification with greater gain. There are 3 tiers of items that means you must replace your endgame gear completely at least 3 times before losing interest in the game. By item level 1000 you will have had to replaced your entire gear set 10 or more times with, fundamentally, the same exact gear with a few extra points of power or for 1 better stat if you're even slightly optimistic. Bro boring as fuck... The Lilith statues are trash chores, the total of 5 different event activities are trash, the mob density is sparse and not exciting, the suppression affix is hot garbage and not a challenge but rather a suicide mission for HC characters and despawns a keystone ww affix even though you're inside the bubble while creating the "projectile." The game as a live service model is trash, I downloaded the entire game in 30 minutes day one and the servers constantly have rubber banding issues to this day. There is no fundamental reward for NM dungeons of high difficulty. More than half of the items in game with affixes don't get used in any build at all, if they do its a subpar "only do this while leveling" asterisk. All of the fireball and fire bolt uniques are a clear example of this. Absolutely useless waste of an item, that when you pick up, you immediately resent in endgame. There is literally no economy of trade, this game might as well disable the ability to trade honestly. BTW, ad homenem. Resorting to logical fallacies only weakens your argument especially when you resort to attacking the person instead of the argument. You could have just asked for elaboration instead of being the snowflake you are, and projecting your self image upon me, because you enjoy playing hot garbage...
This could encourage behavior where the player will just check whether the area generated easy monsters then abandon the instance if it doesn't. What would end up happening is just adding extra unfun and time-wasting steps to gameplay until players just get tired of the unnecessary complication.
Level scaling is not an issue in diablo 4, contrary to what a lot of low knowledge streamers tend to parrot. It doesn't matter for the following reasons: 1. Mobs don't scale with paragon board or skill point synergies which are 90% of your character power, the nominal stats you get from leveling that the mobs scale with are trivial. People will steam roll open world gradually after 50, world bosses are literally dieing in 3 seconds WITH SCALING ACTIVE. 2. There are nightmare dungeons that you can play where the mob level is set progressively higher than yours, so if you wanted to play versus higher level mobs for a challenge that also exists.
D4 includes quite a lot of the 'illusion of depth'. When I first started playing, before understanding all of the various systems, I thought briefly that it might have real potential. After leveling a Rogue, and getting bored, and the nerfs, my wife and I are both back to PoE after having not played it for 3+ years, and we're having a blast. The itemization, and item customization in PoE absolutely destroys D4, and obviously the same is true for builds.
I tried PoE a few years ago, and for someone new, it's quite dense. I remember having to plant these wierd plants in this side room I could like Teleporting to or something. Had no idea what I was doing.
Sounds like a Harvest League encounter. Each Challenge League (season) introduces a new encounter type with its own mechanics alongside sort of a mini-campaign. New craft materials/currencies (in POE they are one in the same) are also introduced, which expands crafting and build possibilities. At the conclusion of each Challenge League, a modified version of that seasonal content is (usually) rolled into the base game (Standard League). If you create CL character, content from that current league will be the most prominent. However, you can still encounter content from past leagues, especially once you reach the end game (The Atlas maps). NONE of that is well explained for newbies. Much less the actual game mechanics. 95% of the cash shop is cosmetics. The remaining 5% is for extra stash tabs and currency tabs for each of the season-specific materials.
I love PoE, but it has definitely become extremely convoluted. They completely revamped the end game pretty recently and created yet another massive skill tree for it where you can essentially choose what old league mechanics you want to focus on because there are like a dozen different ways to play the end game. I really hope they're going to streamline PoE2.
@@elementblue780 As an 11 year old player, I too feel current PoE is to horribly bloated by so many mechanics that even I'm overwhelmed by it, nevermind what a new player feels. The current league mechanic is so pathetically bad it basically doesn't even exist, and surely won't be migrated into the base game. It's just something they lazily shipped out while working on PoE2. It's even worse for me because I last played Ultimatum, and Crucible is a worse Ultimatum. Can't even go back to my Ultimatum char because they changed things, so that char is bricked and no builds even exist for the class I was now. And yes, I really hope PoE2 heavily condenses the game and removes many of its worst aspects, especially the new on hit/death affixes which are severely overtuned and unfun to interact with. Also melee. Melee has been ass for most of PoE's lifespan. What they're going to do with the skill tree systems in PoE2 is beyond me, but at least the skill gem changes area a massive improvement.
@@elementblue780 the moment they streamline poe2 people are going to say the same thing they say about diablo and the route its going. i think d4 just needs to get a couple seasons in and people will be generally happy. so long as they really dont make us pay for more stash space. POE and last epoch feel more for the HArdcore arpg players. where as Diablo is for the casual Arpg players. just killing time between clients and get a few levels ore even a better gear. is the gear affixes a little convoluted... yes but its kinda the same with borderlands, you are always playing the same set of bosses or dungeons in hopes to get that perfect roll.
Path of exile is not really free to play like lets say league of legends, its closer to a free-to-try and pay-once-to-play model in which the lack of stash space becomes a significant handicap making effective item and resource management impossible without purchasing at least one stash tab bundle. It also has its own fair share of issues like the really complex mechanics and customization options you simply dont play this game without a freaking build guide. Grim Dawn and Last epoch are games that I would recommend to people who like build diversity and have fun working towards something they can accomplish on their own, without getting lost in complicated mechanics that require 10 youtube tutorials to comprehend.
I have not spent a dime on PoE and didn't feel the lack of stash place. Granted, I mostly played on League, and have no idea what would happen if I opened a non-League stash.
@@cp1cupcake How far into PoE do you usually get before bouncing off of each league? I can see a player lasting maybe until early maps with the default stash tabs if they're not hoarding everything, but I don't think that'd last very long as you get further into maps and start completing your build unless you're picking up basically nothing and just buying everything with currency.
@@cp1cupcakeYeah, thanks for openly admitting you don't make any progress into the endgame. Absolutely anybody doing any amount of actual endgame progression will need to buy stash tabs unless they want to spend 90% of their time on the game managing their limited space.
I still pplay D1 with an HD mod and D2 on a moded server and to me the best thing about these games was always the gloomy atmosphere and music the unique looking monsters and death animations. Grinding was just something to do while you took in and enjoyed those things. recent ARPG's haven't managed to strike that cord for me.
@@punchosaurus7015 the music is extremely similar to tristam's riff. The artstyle is indeed a bit more cartoonish, but the lore...... oh boy the lore...
@@juliofranciscogomezstoppel1860 The thing about Tristram's song was that you didn't hear it constantly the music for each set of floors had beating drums and wails designed to put you on edge. When all the music it similar to "into town" it all blends together and gets boring. Tristram's song so so memorable because it's opening chord's were relief from what you were just experiencing. Also lighting D1 is VERY dark and the monsters don't rush you in straight lines they mill around and stalk you and are often just outside of your light radius adding to the tension.
My 2 main gripes with the game are; 1) Early game is miserable. It's too slow and boring. I shouldn't feel like I need to play 15+ hrs before the game "gets good." 2) The skill tree feels like I need a college degree to understand it. Descriptions aren't descriptive at all and I often don't know what I'm investing points in. This makes it really hard to synergize abilities and gear.
@@huddleawWell, you are in for a really bad time. PoE is an incomprehensible mess and requires the use of countless outside resources to even begin to understand. It’s famously very difficult for new players to get into. It’s one of the main criticisms of the game. D4 as Pre-K compared to PoE being a PHD course. PoE is too much for me to get into with my limited time.
@@collinsmcrae yeah it looks like it lol but if the descriptions actually describe what the skills do and how to use them effectively, it's better than D4s in my book
They never confirmed selling stash tabs at all. They've talked about having "seasonal stash tabs" but those are are just for the season. But, saying like its a "coming mtx" is wrong and disingenuous
I also went back to POE, just enjoy it more but you gotta keep in mind that we're comparing a new game with a game that had 10 years of continuous (content) updates. POE wasn't at all where it is nowadays back then. It was free on release tho, that's a big difference
Ya it’s completely ridiculous to make comparisons to that game content wise and quality of life wise . You can have legitimate complaints with Diablo but to throw Poe shade makes it seem more shallow and biased . Also part of the criticism if purely preference as the average player isn’t gunna wanna go look at a skill tree with 1000 slots to overwhelm them. Poe is for the hardcore Arpg audience and Diablo is for the vast majority of players .
Though there is an argument to be had for what you're really willing to invest in that and what you get back in return. These games are $70+ now, there definitely needs to be some standards for that kind of price tag, especially when you consider how much has "advanced" in game development to reduce the costs of actually making and distributing games.
@@Gakusangi > needs to be some standards The game is a fully finished game with 5 classes, 1 huge open world, camping fully voiced and with cutscenes, endgame activities and they are going to keep updating the game with free seasonal content... What more do you want for 70$?
@@valebonfi4482 For less than $60 we got a fully finished game with five classes, a fully voice campaign w/cutscenes, endgame activities and regular updates and no additional fees... that was called Diablo II. Doesn't sound like much more got added for that $70 price tag and games are even cheaper and make and distribute today than they've ever been.
I think you can play Last Epoch or Grim Dawn till endgame as an alternative to D4 but nothing beats POE endgame. If your a casual player you can simply set a goal of beating the campaign and then gradually learn all the other endgame content. It would be great to start learning now if you plan on playing POE2. There are plenty of content creators like Zizaran that make videos explaining crafting, builds, mechanics, etc.....
Why I stopped playing PoE? I disliked how gear looked terrible and same even after long hours of playing, how all endgame builds look like a ridiculous zooming disco ball, how there is so many systems, how there is so many unnecessary nodes in the talent tree, and how extremely tedious the game is. It's just not for me. Why I stopped playing D4? Because it just stopped being fun in the late game, and the season completely killed it for me. D2, D3, Titan Quest and Last Epoch are more of my cup of tea.
I love arpgs , i got 2k+ hours in poe, easily 1k+ hours in d3, 500 hrs. in grim dawn, couple hundred hours in torchlight 2. For some reason this game makes you not want to play it. The game play loop is terrible cause the end game has too many 'objective' based content. This makes grinding slow for me. Definitely doesnt help that the overall gameplay is slower than grim dawn with way less rewarding loot than any arpg I've ever played. Hopefully this game refines in the next few updates but seems like they are going down a path of destruction.
It's not like PoE doesn't have a litany of issue and it's been around for 10 years. D4 is very far from perfect, but I feel like the base game is something that can be built on. It's up to the devs to continue to add content and fine tune it as they said they would.
Yeah but this is nu-Blizzard you're talking about. The same Blizzard that abandoned Hots, Warcraft: Reforged, WoW and now Overwatch 2. Its hard to trust the word of Blizzard at this point when they have been blatantly lying so many times in the recent years.
Coincidentally watched another review right before yours published, who didn't like it for completely different reasons ( he clearly has a different play style / priorities). But still I think there is an underlying pattern: It seems that the designers have no clue what core principles are the most important, and just focus on the shallow stuff. It's like some corporate manager decided thay "we need open world!" and "it should have lots of generic content!", "it need's to be pretty!" and most importantly "we need to monetize!". But apparently they're getting away with it again since it has good sales...
Reasons: 1. I do not want to be one of the poe addicts 2. Poe is not free to play, if, you want max comfort (therefore bad game design) 3. I am a grown up person and do not have the 1000 hours to put into poe
I haven't played Diablo 4, but ever since Blizzard disbanded Blizzard North, the essence of diablo was mixed into blizzard as a whole, and lost. Only fans of Diablo 2 at that point understood the essence of Diablo, and GGG are clearly fans of Diablo 2. While I've played a lot of PoE and I'm exhausted of it, I strongly understand the "why am I not playing PoE ?" argument. Nothing in this footage makes me wanna play D4 over PoE, I'm happy I trusted my principles instead of the hype and didn't get on that train, cause the hype died pretty fast. PoE still has hype almost a decade later for good reason.
For me, BG3 is like playing a game on slow motion. Glad we have different games for different people. The most important thing is that you actually enjoy what your playing bc in the end, your doing nothing than using your life time. So as I.
I haven't touched BG3 in 2 years. I never got into any of the Larian games and the story disconnect in BG3 where you were told 'you only have a few days to live' doesn't work with the expected amount of rests you are expected to take. Yeah, looking at some other stuff I figured that there is supposed to be a story element to it, but I was also playing Solasta at the time, and that probably is the D&D game I have played which calculated how many rests you need by far the best.
PoE is my favorite arpg of all time, hands down. It has huge flaws that I'm willing to overlook because I get so much enjoyment out of the game. But my friends aren't willing to overlook those flaws. They like arpgs but they aren't diehard fans of the genre like I am. They don't want to replay the campaign every league, look up build guid's, learn all the mechanics that have been introduced since the last time they played, etc. D4 is the perfect game to play more casually with my friends. If I'm playing solo, I'm gonna play PoE. But I do think, if like me, you want to be able to just jump in and dick around casually with your friends, then D4 is probably the better option. Once Last Epoch starts having seasons, maybe that will change and LE will become our go to multiplayer experience.
I logged a LOT of feedback in certain betas about how horrible the enemy scaling feels at later game. The feel that without certain items, builds felt terrible. It certainly needs work, but that times time. PoE has had 10 years to polish and expand. For some people, even Diablo players, if they have not started PoE it can be a little daunting with the number of systems and mechanics to "get it right" and find that fun level of play. If you've played a lot of PoE it comes easily, if you haven't it's a big learning curve.
At the same time they should be able to look at other games successes and failures in the genre and utilize that to make a better game, regardless of it being new, which blizzard did not lol
@@SkylarTrahan It's complicated but to say overly complicated is an insult to the intelligence of others. It has a knowledge check and ceiling but it's not impossible to figure out or else people wouldn't play it.
TBH the quest line of D4 along with the cutscenes and story was worth the $70. Sadly The game have very little replay value and end game is worse than that of D2 (where you just grind for rare items and pvp i guess). PoE storyline however i wasnt paying much attention but i tried 3 different class bases (archer, melee and mage) and each of them felt nice to play with. The Labyrinth challanges were a nice touch i really liked and the mapping on end game reminded me alot of one unofficial D2 mod called Project D2 where endgame is collecting rare maps and run them. On a contrast to D4 also PoE have a very high replay value as each skill build feels just as good as the mainstream. Kinda reminds me alot of Dragon Age games where you can make all sorts of fun builds and actually explore skill combinations resulting in some very satisfying builds
This video was too good. I didn’t want to play D4 but succumbed to peer pressure and got it. The person pressing me the most to buy it, about two weeks in, decides the game sucks and POE is better. I now have committed to my first POE season and can’t wait for it to start.
I feel the same way. My take for what it's worth: People are tied to the Diablo universe. Mostly nostalgia, but also easy of access, visual style/expression and brand recognition. POE is obviously the better game when it comes to ARPGs. But there's no denying the pull of the Diablo name and the iconic style of Diablo games. That's at least what I think most are drawn to. POE just doesn't have the same strong expression as Diablo does.
D2 lover. Tried poe awhile back, saw the skill tree thing and uninstalled. There is such a thing as too complicated..... On the other hand blizzard is a decrepit evil scum sucking company from the depths of hell... If i get time to invest in something it would be poe over d4 hands down
@@QuestionQuestionMarkIt's still been around long enough to where quite a few people and content creators are attempting to compare 10 years of polish to a month and a half old release though...
@@mikeweatherford5312xactly this. Why is it that there's this instinctual need for tribalism in many? I enjoy Diablo because it's a much better game to pick up and put down with smaller gaming sessions. It also blows PoE out of the water with it's style, storytelling, and art direction. Whereas if I have an entire weekend to burn with not much to do, I can hop on PoE. I will never understand this thought process of trashing one for the other. Support of both makes the genre better and more competitive.
for those who are done with f2p games like poe try grim dawn poe is more like diablo 2 while grim dawn takes a differnt route and differnt enough playstyle the deal breaker for me was the pause option and solo offline mode i need to pause a game for emergencies and unable to pause and always online functions has negative affects on ur personality and temper for the past 2 yrs i have only been playing playing offline games even passed on v rising due to the lack of pause on offline mode v rising is very fun but pause is essential for many irl issues
I paid $100 for D4. Played early beta and 2 characters to lvl80 at game launch. At this point I will most likely never touch the game again. In POE the game is free. I have around 10k hours of game play and will continue to play until someone can match its depth. D4 is a lazy cash grab and POE is just way better.
The first update nerfs nuked my fun with D4 and I literally stopped playing once it was released. On top of clearly ignoring everything that was needed in terms of QOF changes.
After playing the open beta I abandoned ship :D. And I'm really happy about that, especially after seeing this and act mans review. Got a copy of Diablo 2 for my friends instead and talked them into playing it ;)
I'd say that Last Epoch is a solid skeleton to an ARPG that will eventually be fantastic, but it does need more time in the oven. Crafting lets you customise and upgrade your gear exactly how you want while still being accessible and exciting, each skill having its own skill tree massively helps to add streamlined complexity and build diversity into the game without feeling like you need to follow a guide, legendary potential letting you combine a unique item with a crafted item ensures that uniques are always relevant no matter how strong they are or what build you're running, the loot filter is *the best* loot filter in the ARPG genre period, and the upcoming trading system solves the problem of how to make chase items and upgrades more accessible without turning the game into a complete economy simulator. If you want something between PoE's complexity and Diablo's simplicity, Last Epoch is definitely worth a try alongside Grim Dawn.
Just seen the title as I'm buying D4 next week Please don't tell me D4 has a useless inventory system & space is acquired via microtransactions. As that's what breaks PoE
Stach tabs you buy with normal gold. But as it only has 4 tabs max it fills up pretty fast specially at higher level. But it aint that bad in my opinion. Could be worse but also better.
currently you can buy extra storage slots with in game currency but thats where it ends. who knows what the future holds but 4 additional chests is not enough especially as that storage is shared between your characters
@@antondavies3136 seeing as it's blizzard it wont suprice me now they know people want more storage ect that we gonna have to pull our wallet. Im fine with the battle pass. But you see way to much you have to pay for some conveniences in a game now a days.
I also feel like Last Epoch is a better "casual-ish" ARPG. Chronicon is good. Grim Dawn is a proper and legitimate successor to Titan Quest, etc. There's just so much in the ARPG genre which is more fun than D4 is, including PoE. I got to what you were mentioning mid-campaign because I committed the crime of attempting to level Druid. I was progressing backward in clearspeed, took a shitload of time to kill bosses, and was hurting because of the painful build-spend cadence where I only do "pack wipe" but "1/4th of an elite's health" damage every 10 seconds with pulverize and trample was "ok". Add to the total lack of QoL and it was just hard to justify continuing to play. I didn't even get to the point where I cared about stash tabs because I was broken by basic shit. - No way to set default behavior when attacking to attack without moving - trash loot - no resource numbers - enemies still have the problem of "extreme threat" or "no threat", this has not been solved at all - random non-elites will just have elite hp because fuck you go clear another pack instead and D4 solves no problems with the ARPG genre, makes new ones, and doesn't even have any rewards for muddling through that. It's extra bad for me because I was a paladin/crusader/monk player and they just simply didn't add the diablo roster to diablo 4. Game is unfinished, unpolished, and mediocre even compared to cheap indies like Chronicon.
I would also like to add that early game feels good...once, and only once. Between 5 softcore and 5 hardcore characters i can't tell you how much i just want to get out of the early to mid game grind and just start putting together builds.
Has the POE skill tree changed? Cos last time I checked it was waaaaaaay harder the reset that tree than anything D4 has. To the point people would reroll cos its faster than redoing their skill tree POE. As for the mtx, POE charges you as much as a full game to get a costume. But I do get the overall critique of D4.
at end game you can use orbs of regret to fully respec, it's not a problem at all. it is hard to respec because of gear, not the skill tree. the gear you craft/buy is usually very specific to your build, and you need to sell it if you want to respec (if your new build needs currency). changing your skill tree around is extremely cheap by the time you're in endgame though.
@@MrLutharr You can buy orbs of regret from a vendor/other player and you get quite a few re-spec points from the campaign as well, so re-speccing once in the endgame is not a huge deal. It's just that most PoE players have played the game for so long that they will blast trough the campaign in 4-6 hours instead of wasting their regret orbs. Hoarder mentality. :D
How can anyone justify paying £60 for the basic version of this game when you can play a game of better quality for free with path of exile, Undecember and even older cheaper games such as Grim Dawn or 40k Martyr.
I've been a Diablo loyalist despite being very critical of the company. This month I decided to finally play PoE and now I feel like I wasted all my time on Diablo 3 and 4 for nothing and regret not playing it earlier.
I have a question.... why can't I play both? What, is this some kind of exclusionary club or something? If you play Diablo IV you are wrong and you need to stop, and play the other game... but what if I just finished a playthrough of path of exile, and I'm looking for something new... like a brand new game? Oh, I can't? I have keep playing path of exile? OK.
There is one simple and a major reason why most players will stick with D4 and leave POE. It's the combat gameplay. I've played both for many years and Diablo 4 combat and gameplay just feel much more smoother and more immersive than POE's.. POE ur endgame builds are just spamming one ability and insta clearing mobs before u can even see them. In Diablo 4 ur combat and abilities are more than just one spam skills and u can make them interact and combo with one another. This game is one that will age like fine wine, once it gets more content and qol fixes the game will continue to grow. It's got it's basics and fundamentals in a good footing, as long as it's got good combat and one that people will enjoy then there will always be a big playerbase.
I tried POE. I think I was too late to the game and as a result I thought it was too complicated. If I had played at launch I probably would have enjoyed it. I got to play DIV from launch and am still enjoying it because I haven't missed any seasonal content. I was left behind in POE and am unable to enjoy any of the game mechanics that I missed. Activision Blizzard has a large budget for DIV and I have faith they will deliver relevant content for at least 10 years. Wish I hadnt missed out on POE but after trying for a week I can say without a doubt that I will never try it again. Wish DIV catered to solo self found a little more as a hardcore solo player. I also wish the escape scrolls would proc on disconnects. I would like to see a more refined stash inventory with seperate tabs for gems and a larger aspect storage with a better UI with search functions. Wish I had not missed the POE band wagon but I felt like a lost fart in a blizzard and its been permanently uninstalled. Looking forward to season 1 of DIV. 👍 Update: I wrote this before the season 1 patch... 🤯
PoE doesn't have cross play sadly so I enjoy these games with friends and the progression has not been bad. But I do understand the gripes others may face with the game.
I remember hearing the devs say that they would look into making cross play a thing when they get the console updates to be inline with the PC updates.
100% glad I never caved in and purchased D4, looked to bland for my taste. Visually D4 is very nice but from beta I wasn’t sold on it being anything past that. PoE, last epoch, D2R is the holy trinity imo.
I played POE and it didnt click, I prefer Diablo 3/4. Why? Because the games are not targeting the same audiences. If you are a casual player you'll enjoy D4 way more. That's it.
I agree with you 100%. I know you were trying to keep it short but you should have talked about some of the skills and how they are literally useless. Example, the execute ability the barb has compared to the bleeding expunge ability he has. One does less DMG and makes you stand in an animation the other is instant and it it kills any enemy it resets the cooldown.
Yeah if D4 were a brand new game, I would probably argue with you about some of this. But being that it is the fourth installment of a game that pretty much defined the ARPG genre... I see no excuse for them to have missed out on so many basic features. It's an ok start and a nice walk down nostalgia lane maybe, but not enough to keep me engaged long term.
I just didn't use the elixir on my hardcore characters. Then my game crashed 2 days in a row, locking me out of my account when I relaunched the game and the friend that I was leveling got to watch my 74 and 50 characters stand still and die. I have no desire to play the first 50 levels with no content to get back to the small amount of late game content they do have.
The reason why the average Diablo four player cannot just go up and play path of exile is because once you get to a certain point the mechanics for a POE get really complicated so I understand the sentiment however, not all players will be able to grasp POE’s deep mechanics, and will quit before they learn them
This is not to hate on Path of Exile but I installed it two different times and both times when I got to the skill system or whatever you call it I just uninstalled it because it's so overwhelming.
@@mathew00 If you really want to get into PoE then I'd honestly recommend just following a build guide for your first character or two, just to learn the game's content and crafting without having to worry about if your build will function. Specifically look for league starter builds with leveling guides such as Pohx's RF build, Enki's Arc build or any of Zizaran's beginner league starter builds. They're designed to be cheap and easy with step-by-step instructions on how to level them and transition into endgame smoothly.
@@brianherrera1390 It being a new game doesn't change the fact that it's failing at several core pillars of ARPG design, with itemisation, ability design and skill tree design being big ones IMO. It being a new game excuses it from not having a fully fleshed out endgame, but it doesn't excuse it from having boring items with bloated stats, abilities that universally follow a monotonous builder-spender system or skill trees that are pretty much just one long tree trunk with artificial choice laid out in tiny branches.
I did 3 leagues which seems like people enjoyed the most...metamorph, delirium and legion. The game is just bloated garbage. 6 linking on armor and 2h is absolute trash making your seasons bloated with previous seasons makes it worse.
Surprised to see the video like this on this channel. Completely agree. I dropped D4 earlier than I expected. Got bored. Started new character (build I never tried befroe) on SSF. Having a great time so far.
Dude, I hit level 50 in D4 when i finished the campaign and IMMEDIETELY dropped it when i saw the "end game" and paragon boards... The end game is "do these dungeons again with modifiers" or "do these random things in this area to get targeted loot drops that will likely be bad", the paragon board though? Damn that thing really feels bad, it has the lows of the POE passive tree (meaningless travel nodes that barely do much), without the highs (POE's keystone passives and even its notables are more game changing than even the fucking LEGENDARY paragon nodes).
@@spookzie4208 its funny you say that when for some reason d4 beta was more popular than POEs most popular season. ruclips.net/video/di54iEfj3i8/видео.html
I played PoE and loved the skills and builds but it didn't feel good for multiplayer. I hate that D4 is $70 x 2+ before even microtransactions if you want to play with anyone, but having jumped that hurdle it's a million times better with at least one buddy.
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You could have talked about *Last Epoch* which has great potentials, costs less and have the best crafting system... 🙃
Thank you for the video. It earned my sub. I played rogue until lvl 60, got bored bc lack of end game less than 2 weeks after the game released, quit, and haven’t looked back. It makes me want to play POE as well
Great video. As someone who played D1/2/3/3 expansion. And not immortal or D4 or path of exile. I honestly think at this point elden ring is better than D4 and Exhile
Yes totally diff game genre. But tbh this Diable genre of games Is so boring graphics wise and the game feels like a loop of wall around click do stuff hoardes of enemies perish, repeat. Not saying they are easy games they aren't
But they are so repetitive. I prefer to play elden ring, nioh, etc and other souls like gamed over diablo like games
So to me I am boycotting diablo like games for life
@kojike lol how is it pay to win and all funds from mtx go directly to the game
@@JD-bw3he if you buy 1 currency tab, 1 map tab and, if you play trade, 1 premium tab you have already everything you need to play, more convenience than d4 (admittedly not a lot) and more stash space than d4. This costs 30 bucks when the tabs are not on sale.
But the cosmetics are definitely more than overpriced.
I only played POE a little back in 2020 and liked it but my PC couldn't handle it. Forward to now, I played D4 and thought it was fun but it left me wanting more. I then remembered POE only now I've got a good PC. I've been having a blast so far and love the depth POE has. So thank you D4 for getting me back into POE.
Blizzard thanks you too for your money. They are laughing to the bank because of People who follow hype and dont do research
"it left me wanting more" - That's pretty much Diablo's business model in a nutshell. They give you JUST enough to keep you hooked and they drip feed you a little bit more each season. PoE on the other hand you get A LOT of stuff each season and it actually sticks around for you to enjoy long after the season is over. I've skipped many seasons of PoE and come back and found all sorts of things that I missed and still enjoy playing it.
@@kwith While you are right, that is actually not always true. PoE also has often mediocre or bare bone seasons. I remember 12 months ago when the big streamers like steelmage ragequitted poes new season because of some design choices they made to loot etc. So it's not all shiny and great at PoE either. Also I personally do not see the microtransactions currently as an issue in D4 because PoE is also impossible to play serious for free. It's also a $50 game to get proper stash tabs while currently D4 is only about cosmetics - at least for now. In d3 you got stash tabs per season so maybe they get the issues fixed (which are still a joke).
D4 definitvely has it's issues but still i had my fun over some time. Can't complain about spending $70 after playing 200 hours at least. I think it is worth looking into the game herre and there like in D3 over the years. But it is hard to recommend poe either. I mean 12 months ago all big streamers like steelmage started to boycott the game because of new design decissions - poe was burning... but now its the best arpg of all time again? just because something is worse? I love poe, but damn we need poe2 asap. and poe needs to focus on new player experience...
PoE still has a lot of issues that are actually holding back new players: Why the f do i need PoB to play this game? It's so ridiculous not to give new players a option to "test" builds early game. this takes a lot of fun to experiment with things you find (e.g. gems or items). There is absolutely no reason to not offer some free respec till for example level 80 for example or giving someone 500 reset points. I know so many people that just stop playing after a couple of hours because they are frustrated to be overwhelmed by the skill tree and not having the option to respec early on (without materials). The skill tree would not be overwhelming if they could try out stuff ingame. It would bother no one: you have to relevel gems anyways and pros play with pob also... workinng through their checklist. why nnot give new players a good new player experience. why not have at least a overview early on what gems are available in the game to have an imagination of skills... the problem is that as a new player you have almost zero freedom in poe to experiment... same about loot filter or crafting... all this stuff does last epoch from SSF perspective actually does hundred times better in my opinion.
for me there are also three other factors for me: 1) poe is ugly af and just dated. we really need poe2 asap. 2) the flask spam is annoying (but k they got some automation for it - still annoying). 3) multiplayer does not really feel good. the issue with poe is just that its hard to be "on the same level of strenght" as other players. i know barely people that do not play this game solo. a lot of stuff is to single player focussed in my opinion and it is hard to be on the same stage as your friends. wish they would may get this some more time because that was always something that made d3 a betterr experience in mulitplayer and having fun with friends at least.
Dude how bad was you’re pc Poe ain’t that demanding
I’m about to reinstall POE on my ps5 because WHY NOT
I rate this a "Go play Path of Exile" out of 10 is the best game review in history
Hehehhehe
D4/10
Poe season resets this friday!
It's trash
Asmongold gonna turn this 14 min video into 1 hour long reaction...
Yup
I hope!
i don't know what's wrong with me but for some reason i like to watch asmongold's reactions but at the same time i fast forward the moments where he speaks until he unpauses the video
How to block him
What's the point then lmao@@randlemcmurphy8007
You hit the nail on the head. The game was fun until I hit 50ish. After that, I wished I could refund the game. It was hilarious watching playership drop off. I'm not exaggerating when I say nearly all my bnet friends were playing D4 the first two weeks. After everyone hit mid game, nearly everyone stopped playing. I hopped on yesterday to see if it was as bad as I felt like it was. A whopping 2/200ish friends were playing D4.
"He hit the nail on head!"
R*tardhe parroting and the amount of idiotic things hes saying like how "items are fun" the f*ck he on about and MTX stashes, where is this?
That's basically my friends list with any major release 2-3 weeks they just hardcore whatever game it is then go play something else until a season/DLC/Expansion releases for said game.
You do know that people generally stop playing towards the end or start of a season in ARPGs right?
@@yt_nh9347Guy doesn't have a clue. Pretty much everybody on my friend's list that was playing at launch has returned to playing the new season.
@@DisastrousIntentionallyYeah, and the season got nerfed right off the bat. Its still repetitive and very shallow. Fun is not there and I had to stop playing due to the scaling BS, lack of content and gear. Its just not fun, for me anyway.
As a kinda new player to POE, having soo much fun following a path of building guide and mapping with an galvanic field/arc inquisitor ramping up over 2mil damage with lots of power charges and potential to grow.. Also it looks more appealing to me than d4, the amount of end game content in POE is INSANE!!! And yes, ITS FREE!!!
It is not really 'free' - if you want to play trade you will likely need a currency tab (~$12) and at least one more premium tab for trading ($5) but you definitely get more value out of those payments, and can add them gradually as things go on sale.
Yeah, it's not free. PoE is basically an extended free trial, you absolutely need to buy stash tabs if you plan to endgame at all, unless you want to spend literal hours weeding through your shit with the terrible amount of stash tabs they give by default.
@@DisastrousIntentionally PoE gives you as a default the exact same amount of stash as D4 does in it's $70 paid version. So yes, Path of Exile IS free. The fact that everyone wants more stash space does not negate this.
It's free 2 play and that's a fact. I have done all content including Ubers and leveled to 100 in ssf without a single extra stash tab, yes, it's pretty painful lol but it's absolutely doable.
Poe feels repetitive af. D4 is ass but yeah
And for those who dont like either option: Grim Dawn is cheap and delightful. Especially with the... "overload" i think it's called(?) Mod which basically just speeds things up and maxes out returns so ypu can play around with more of the "ooh! New character build idea! Brb!" Feeling.
Also, great lore!
Only issues I have with Grim Dawn, how bosses can just be immune to things you build towards sometimes and rely on for keeping your whole setup functional (like freezing enemies to nuke them down) on Normal difficulty things like Blackwater Molotov and Blood Pox can essentially just win the game without investments anywhere else and I hate the abundance of enemies that explode and hurt you after you kill them. Besides those things, I'd say it's a very solid alternative, even over Torchlight.
Funny, playing a few hours of diablo 4 made me quit it to go play Grim Dawn (which I am still playing currently). Never played PoE, I look at the skill tree and go nope!
@@Gakusangi i havent *specifically* run into that problem, but I have run into a couple of the bosses going from "a hearty challenge" to "are you fucking kidding me?!?!? He's got like 900k HP and my rifle does 27. 😐"
Though, in fairness: did a little grinding, re-considered some skill points and gear, and managed to always find SOME way to beat the bosses!
🤔 still havent beaten the whole campaign, because they make BUILDING characters so fun and interesting! I just keep making new ones! 😅
Grim Dawn is amazing! Also the DLCs are great! It´s on sale pretty regurarely on steam
I have never liked level scaling in any game, it always feels like everything thing says the same at the best, and a punishment for leveling at the worst, I absolutely loved how the beta had scaled areas
I think its ok for scaling bosses + open world (non-linear gameplay) so that no matter what path you take, its always a gate to higher difficulty. Just dont scale EVERYTHING even the bugs and small mobs that really just makes scaling / leveling pointless.
imho the world scaling in d2r is perfect, the monster levels per zone per act per difficulty tier are fixed and you still have differences within one difficulty between the acts, so its viable to sometimes just go back to a certain act or area and level up a bit more or farm for items.
thats not possible in d4, everything is just so samey, the power fantasy.
and another thing is that d2 does not display monster level, its all more about feeling your way through, and i think its a good thing.
way way to much shit is popping up during fights in D4, its incredibly annoying that i can not turn everything off.
@@th3orist And with mods in d2r you can increase the density of the monster if you want more difficulty, you can change the max level of the skill and the amount of skill point you get per level.
@@th3oristyup, I have fear of specific mobs and zones in d2
I always loved level scaling, because it's the item level that matters.
All I can say I played PoE so much I ended up buying a new mouse. The end game is a treat...
The game looks sort of intimidating, annoying and complicated for those who went to check it out. Once you dig a little deeper, it is an amazing game that release about 10 years ago.
It's crazy how good 10 year old game can be. D3 is almost ten years old and what happend to it, I wonder if D4 is going to follow the same path.
Your last sentence is all we need to not compare D4 to PoE. Wait 8 years then we can compare PoE to it. The PoE in 2023, because that's logical.
@@RubenMandelidd4 had advantage bc new tech and its intended to compete with POE directly so time isnt the only variable required to compare the two
@@zaktech7816d4 don't compete with PoE directly. Where you got that from? Most PoE players will not go from PoE to any Diablo game because it's to simple.
@@zaktech7816PoE had 8 years to get the end game good, they had 8 years to ironed out stuff. I'm not saying we should wait 8 years for D4 to be good but give the game some time. It's 5 weeks since launch
I started playing Path of Exile and within a couple of hours of playing I was nearly in tears. PoE treats the player and the game experience so well and the crisp and high-quality gameplay felt out of place in today's abusive game industry where everything is a cash grab WITH a sh*t experience. PoE feels like the true modern sequel to Diablo 2, the greatest ARPG of the early 2000's. I'm still learning stuff in PoE but so far it is highly complex yet rewards the time I spend on testing new builds and reading.
Hope your life is in order, because it's about to be consumed by the game's depth =D
@@ZishPOE please link me to a video explaining what you mean. Are you saying that the story/gameplay is SO deep that gaming people are like “nah I’m a shallow person, this is no longer my cup of tea.” And then leaves?
@@crunchyman5330 Uhhh I just mean there's so much to do and learn in the game that you'll want to play it 15 hours a day for the next 2 years
@@ZishPOE Or just 1 hour a day until PoE 2 releases 😀
Bullshit, PoE doesn't treat players well lol the new player experience is genuinely one of the worst in all of gaming and this is coming from somebody with thousands of hours on the game. Quit lying.
The inventory space is so small because they want you to return to town where other people are at so that it reminds you to buy more cosmetic items
yeah, they don't like the idea of us grind so fast and easily into top notch powerful builds to facetank any content, they would like the idea of making us cool in front of other players, even if the used cosmetics are pretty small in default game view/window but pretty expensive as well (where a full purchased battlepass coins would not make it possible to buy shop skins, different from Fortnite)
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You talking about Poe?
I am old enough to have played diablo 1 day 1.
In 1997 we were wondering how incredible games would be in 2000's, not even thinking about 2020' s.
You cannot imagine how furious/sad I am.
(Precision : my main is lvl100, my 2 sons play D4 as well. We really wanted to love this game .)
A detail that makes me mad ;
They put mobs EVERYWHERE on the map, not a single time you can stop an observe the environnement.
This "open world" do not feel organic at all .
You find some Npc alone , surrounded by a horde of undeads ... How this makes any sense ?
And of course they ask me to kill 10 snakes. This game is lame. (Sorry for this , I am very upset.)
you should try medial XL diablo 2 mod
it's honestly a little depressing seeing the state of modern games
First point is literally the opposite of what players want though, ARPGs should have mob density as it's about killing stuff and farming, D4 feels empty. I've played D1 and D2 too. With the rest i agree.
Dude, I'm in the same boat. My shattered dream was Planetside. I remember playing TR on a three-way combined arms fight with hundreds of players....on DIALUP. Me and my little Flak MAX just clearing skyway of enemy Reavers and Gals, and all I could think was "I'm getting CABLE net in a few months...this is gonna blow up HUGE!!!!"
Fast Forward 20 years, and Daybreak's a joke, PS2's a shell of a game(more like a shell game at this point) and the world revolves around the new "hotness:" 10-12 person MOBA shooters that feel even SMALLER than QUAKE, Doom and Counterstrike maps did....
to really enjoy D4 u need 3 wives and 7 kids, seems like ur 2 wives and 5 kids short, better luck next time :)
D4 actually got me to give PoE a shot, and after about 3 hours, I'm already having way more fun
glad youre having fun with poe. dont be afraid to look up build guides for it lol! its an amazing game but it is very heavy on requiring knowledge you may not get your first - 20th time through.
Doesn't POE only have a handful of 'best' builds? I only read it somewhere, maybe you could shed light on this if it's true or not.
@@rcane6842 Everything is viable with the right set-up.
@@rcane6842 still a lot more then d4 builds and then even more viable or specialized builds.
@foowii4421 of course if d4 had a paragon board 30x the size it would to. You literally need to play poe for 50 hours just to start to figure it out. And poe has a horrible pay to win community.. you will never compete in that game
PoE is so good it's ludicrous, but it's just too damn difficult without in game friends who understand it more in depth towards end game
you're over thinking. don't rush. you don't need to beat the game first league. just play, loot, get better. its the journey every league for all of us.
@@karotts well said!
It took me 3 leagues to get to late game but once I did I became addicted now I’m sitting at 3200 hours ready to hit 10k
Fun fact: Sacred had a horse in it almost two decades before Diablo IV. Sacred Gold (the equivalent of GotY version) is only $10 on GoG and Steam.
Titan Quest Anniversary Edition is also pretty good.
Ultima online had horses in 1998 and they were somehow more satisfying than diablo 4.
mm. Ultima Online
Titan Quest somehow got an update last year too, 20 years later.
Also Diablo 2 has 2 fan mods, Path of Diablo does a lot of rebalancing and brings modern day conveniences to the game, and Project Diablo 2 is still running and does similar to PoD, including late game mapping systems, lots of revamping, better crafted items, better rares, better late game balancing, more viable farming zones. It's a blast.
Fun fact about that Titan Quest update. The team behind titan quest has been working on their spiritual successor grim dawn for most of the last decade and it was so successful it allowed them to do several expansions and revisit TQ for an expansion. That team really loves ARPG's.@@juttyism
I'm surprised more people didn't see this honeymoon phase coming and also abruptly ending. I was also surprised by the level scaling not being more criticized in early reviews. I thought people learned the issues with level scaling like this years ago.
Scaling was issue ever since ES4: Oblivion, perhaps even before that. It broke my enjoyment of Star Wars: The Old Republic also. There are tons of negative examples, and barely any positive, and even then it is just for some small group of people.
@@XelNaga89Man I don't even remember level scaling in kotor. Btw, nice see a fellow xenosaga man.
D4 made me play PoE and today I finished last Act, soon to start the endgame - i completely agree with everything u've said in this review.
That's the same exact thing that happened to me me ! Lol!!!!😂
Dont forget to cap your res! D:
@moisttaco13 Bro, it's been a nightmare maintaining my defenses!😱
Have fun spending 100s of dollars on the game.
On top of bloated garbage content you will never figure out.
@@peppermint3808 Bloat is seperated from most playthroughs, most players won't experience it unless they want to.
$20 is enough for a starter pack on sale for end-game.
They need new ideas at end game, instead of grind and repeat maybe a time attack or a skill challenge for your class, a survival mode dungeon
with limited use of heals. Those are just of top of my head yet a billion dollar studio cannot come up with some new ideas.
They do have limited revive dungeons. Nightmare dungeons.
a infinite survival dungeon would be awesome
Nah, less would be more IMHO - what do I mean? Look at Diablo 2! Diablo two is not super expansive with a large open world full of bad side side-quests etc.!
No, Diablo 2 is a bit bare-bones over all, but it is still better than D4 - especially since the characters FEEL like heroes (with a sorc you can clear the screen in 1-2 casts of your main ability, except immunes! In D4? You need to proc everything, time it right etc. and even then it isn't half as smotth! Same for a say a Hammerdin, a Javazon, a Bowazon, a Necromancer (even Army-Mancers do work in D2!) or a Hurricane-Druid! Not to mention that in D2 you aren't out of Mana constantly! My Blizzard-Sorc in D2R has almost no mana-problems and if I am low? There's pots!)
They could have made the strongholds end-game content instead of throw-away levelling content. Pack them full of level 130+ elites and once you've completed all 3 in the zone you unlock a cosmetic armor set for your class themed around that zone. The strongholds were actually really interesting and dark, but you were done with them in 10 to 15 minutes. Imagine wandering in there while levelling, getting 1 shot by an elite 80 levels higher than you, knowing you'd have to gear up to take them down.
We're talking about a billion dollar studio that had all of the necessary tools in place to do something mind-numbingly obvious in D3's endgame, and didn't do it.
Rifts allow the character to go deeper and deeper into a dungeon with the promise of more rewards and higher difficulty the deeper you go.
Greater Rifts were timed versions.
It's not overwhelmingly obvious at first but once seen it cannot be unseen: the only difference between a regular Rift and Diablo I is the story. For all intents and purposes, the endgame of D3 is a D1 mini-game.
Almost everything that existed in D1 existed in some form in D3. IIRC, most of the assets for D2 were there, as well. So, where were the Time Rifts? Just using the word 'rift' implies an intent to implement them but they never came to be.
I'm not saying that Time Rifts allowing you to 'play' D1 in D3 would have somehow turned D3 into the greatest game ever made. I'm saying that Blizzard had everything necessary to give their players a collective orgasm and decided against it. It was right there in big neon lights, it took no effort at all to think about, players were asking for it because it was staring everybody in the face, it was the most obvious thing in the world they could possibly have done... and they chose to ignore it.
If they can't do THAT, how can anyone reasonably expect them to do something actually innovative?
This is why it is best to wait a full year if you want to play diablo 4. Wait for them to actually finish the game. That is what i am doing.
Blizz's track record over the last 5+ years is the best version of the game is the first few months as they gradually make it worse and worse. I think it's going to be worse in a year, not better.
It is $70…… So, if you spent the $70 now, then you’re out of luck? People shouldn’t support garbage products like that to begin with.
@@mchonkler7225the game might be worse in a year but at least it will only be 30 bucks by then 😂
I didn't even buy Diablo 4, I went straight to POE. I'll buy D4 when all the sh!t is sorted out and its on sale.
I played POE for a descent amount of time, nothing hardcore or elite level, but i really enjoyed that game. Personally, I loved the map system.
As a sorc I wish that 3 of my hotbar slots were not near compulsory taken by 3 defensive moves. The 'mmo' bit is there ONLY to stop pirating, I'm convinced of that.
It's the same as PoE. You are meant to see other players and the cosmetics they bought. There is no other real reason for it.
It's just as bad for barbarians too ( my main). The 3 shouts + wrath of the berserker are in 95% of builds you'll see online, the only things that differ will be the build/spender abilities and glyph selection
Agreed. Like the return of the darker tone, good contrast to 3. While not a terrible game, seems to have lost its magic compared to the days of old.
More darker tone? Yes. More sexual censorship? Also yes.
Im confused that nobody talked about that tbh. Usually thats one of the first things people get angry about, but maybe we are just happy that Succubi didnt got replaced by flying fruits?
When didn't diablo have a dark tone?
I think they did a pretty good job nailing the tone and feeling. I'm enjoying the game so far, but like I did in D2 - in a very casual way. I get that many want the hardcore, the PvP, the endgame, but if you'd look at the numbers, I'd bet the casual audience is way larger and they just want a solid AAA experience, playing through the story once or twice. D4 provides a very good experience in this regard.
@@stubbyfoamz1diablo 1
@@jasonwoods3870 Are you kidding? xD
Diablo 1 AND 2 wipe the floor with Diablo 4 in terms of "dark tone" and even more, when it comes to tight atmospheres.
Another recommendation for Titan Quest/Grim Dawn here. 1:05 really nails down why PoE (and presumably D4) feel more like benchmarks than games for me. I enjoyed planning characters more than "playing" them. TQ/GD has the character planning too, but along with a game that I actually get a level of enjoyment from playing, rather than just testing whether a build works.
I enjoy a bit of both, which is why I feel like Last Epoch is better
you not only need to plan your build, seeking all the right stats as well as planning out your passive skill tree and your active skills skill tree (oh yeah, each active skill has a skill tree, but you can only gain access to 5 at a time)
I'm a fan of both of those titles (GD/TQ) for the flexibility in character building and the worlds, but I don't find the combat in many ARPG of this style (those titles included) as engaging as D4. The dodge/movement skills and positional awareness needed in D4 provides more of an enjoying challenge in my opinion.
@@councilofmagus1750 I actually agree on the dodging thing, I like the spacebar dodge, I hope more games yoink it from Lost Ark like D4 did, its a good mechanic imo.
For me D4 just needs more of a reason to actually use it to dodge stuff lol, cuz everyone I know, and have watched, and myself included, just use the dodge to move faster. The game is not challenging, or rather it doesn't have any mechanics to dodge, most of the mechanics are on death effects or spawn directly on top of you. But I agree on the idea of it, its a nice idea, they just need to actually execute on it. I feel like that statement is true for a lot of D4, a lot of good ideas, but bad execution.
GD > PoE cuz it isn’t a live service.
They're both decent Arpgs but they have some issues when it comes to replayability. You've pretty much seen it all after 1-3 playthroughs. That being said they're cheap so any fan of the genre should play them at least once. Why PoE is considered Great and Grim Dawn merely "Good" is the replayability of PoE.
This video convinced me to start playing PoE, and I absolutely am loving it.
I faced more challenge in the first 2 hours of PoE than my entire time in D4.. and progression feels rewarding. My one complaint is the lack of an easy way to respec. I found that because of this, players usually just make a new character if they want to make any significant changes to the passive tree.
I love PoE
It gave me great concern when Tencent acquired the majority of it, but it has been great and has survived the test of time and competition, or lack of decent enough of it. The amount of endless customization with builds had me hooked on a dangerous level. It's free for goodness sake, it's still mindblowing remembering the my first runs and having stayed up so long because I was just so enamored with the game and its vast customization.
Every other game of this genre I play reminds me of how magical Diablo and Diablo II were. They just had this touch or atmosphere to them that makes them just FUN to play for hours.
D3, and, it seems, D4, are just missing that touch.
Blizzard North.
God I miss Blizzard North.
That's where the soul was.
i remember when D2 came out - it wasnt that magical - Not until LoD came out.
Yup. RIP North :(
Nostalgia. That's what you're talking about. I played both D1 and D2 at release(yes, I'm an old man these days) and neither had the potential D4 has at their respective releases. Largely because a lot of the ARPG functions we all know and love hadn't been dreamed up yet. D3 was a solid game. It was a terrible release and fizzled out until they hit their stride in seasonal play and I ended up having more fun in season 28(despite not liking the cartoon-y art style and arcade speed gameplay) than I did in any previous season of that game. People need to give games time to breathe before Chicken Little'ing off the deep end. D3 and PoE had 10 years of development to polish them into what they are. D2R had even longer and is still not as great as some claim it is. Chill out and let it breathe...
I remember when D2 came out, there was a rumor that the M ESRB rating was partially because the Amazon was topless. I think it delayed when we got it because of that.
There are a few things sadly that prevent me from enjoying POE. Which makes putting up with whatever shortcomings D3 and in particular D4 has the more viable option. For me to enjoy POE there would need to be the ability to respec in SSF, I don't enjoy trading, or having to trade at all. POE has this amazing build diversity but then seems like it does everything it can to prevent you from experimenting with it. In the past when I played it I would make my own obviously bad builds and be unable to progress and be unable to respec. Even If I liked trading I don't think I could fix the character. It just got to the point where I couldn't progress through the acts. Which starts to really highlight the softcore death penalty. I felt like soon as I leveled I could have fun but the further that XP bar got across, the more I had to just kill 1 trash mob over and over to get the level finished . If they had a super softcore mode where you could respec in SSF and no death penalty's I'd be team POE all day. Been many years since I have played it so maybe some of this has changed.
Yeah, Orbs of Regret (the 1 point respec orbs) are quite rare even if you farm the lower value currency to exchange it at vendor. Anything above 20-30 points and its faster to roll a new char than fixing the old one. Let's not even start with the death xp penalty, I am stuck on lvl 90 since forever because lower tier maps don't give much exp and on higher tier ones one mistake or lagspike and 1h+ of progress is gone. Waiting for PoE 2 at this point.
Edit: According to wiki, you can farm Basilica, Defiled Cathedral and The Chamber of Innocence maps for 'The Innocent' divination card, then exchange 10 of them for 40 Regrets if thats any consolation.
You kind of play a hard mode that the game is not balanced around - you probably should play a trade league as SSF and make this one trade for regrets.
And also - your first build should be rock solid, you experiment with second char, when diue to your main you roll in currency, even in SSF.
As for dying - if your goal is leveling do not play content that oneshots you. Yes, it might feel 2 or 4 times slower but will be way faster if you count resets.
I play POE in a very casual manner (but every league) and the best way to do that I've found, is playing in trade league but treating it like you are playing SSF. So if you REALLY get stuck on something you can trade. But most of the time I just enjoy the game as a solo experience.
If you play trade league, you can respec to your heart's content. But trade league endgame is mostly crafting/flipping, which I quickly got bored of. It's more of an MMO-lite than an arpg tbh.
@@wailfulcrab At endgame it's quite common tho depending on the endgame mechanic you went with. But nothing that can be done to those who hate trading like OP above, since trading is another easy way to get lots of regrets.
Seeing as I bought Diablo 2 and 3 on their last Switch Sale, the mechanics seem to have not impoved at all and especially the inventory management, map usage and skill progression were like _that_ even in the original Diablo 2.
Thanks for pointing them out - for me the question won't be "Why play D4 if there are free alternatives?" but "Why buy D4 if the developers did not only *not* bother to improve game play mechanics that were outdated 10 years ago but also stacked the MTX-implementation even after having been called out for that in Diablo Immortal?!"
It's even worse now because this is a live service game and sometimes online lag will straight up kill you when in cluttered dungeons.
For me, it was the level scaling and combat. At no point did I feel like leveling up or getting gear upgrades made me more powerful. The enemies always took the same amount of time to kill for me. I prefer more rippy combat like in PoE. Day 1 of D4 season 1, I bought Last Epoch and I'm kicking myself for not doing this on D4 launch day instead.
This video was very helpful for me. I am new to ARPGs with Diablo IV and I have gotten bored with it. The good thing out of it is I was able to learn about POE and you video just gave me more reason to give it a try. Thanks!
Maybe it just wasn’t for you. The game is great and people are having a field day. There are things it does wrong but people are being extra. Diablo 4 has 20x the concurrent players of PoE at its highest peak so let’s not act like it isn’t a really good game.
@@Aye-Em except it's really not once you finish the story. For people who want to dig deep into a good end-game Diablo 4 just doesn't offer very much at all.
@@BaconDrive In comparison to what?
In comparison to POE, D4 is meh at best for me. I understand this is my opinion. I like a game that requires a lot of depth to grind for, craft up, and learn. POE checks these boxes for me personally. D4 still has a chance as they are not near as far into their journey as POE is.
I remember when I saw your first vid on PoE. A friend had recommended it to me a day before, and I thought it was auspicious that I heard about it from this channel a few days later. I installed it, tried playing, and just couldn't get into it. I shelved it for a while and never really looked back
However, a few years later, I happened to be browsing my steam games and remembered I had it. I decided to give it another chance, and now I'm enthralled. I'm in the process of trying to beat the campaign with as little outside help as possible. Now here you are, putting out another video. Very auspicious this time!
this happens all the time, my friend who now has over 4000 hours in the game said he would never touch the game again after he tried it for the first time. it really does feel as if a friend pushing you to try the game is actually counter productive but once you choose to try it on your own you end up being hooked.
@@alecsimard7253 my friend didn't push it on me, but I get your point. I know I've probably been that guy who pushes things a bit too hard sometimes and puts people off it
Really Appreciate the honest review. Been debating whether it was worth the buy and this solidified it for me. I’m bummed because I enjoyed Diablo 3 immensely. Looks like I’ll have to give Path of Exile a try though.
If you really enjoyed 3 take it from me and just skip it.
Or play the fucking game and craft your own damn opinion
D4 made me miss D3 rifts,...
If 70$ causes you to consider the value of a luxury item, perhaps you indeed should not imbibe. 35$ in 1995 inflation adjusted fyi.
At least wait till there’s a sale if possible. Good game but gets very stale after the campaign. I go back once in awhile for an hour or two but then move on to another game. I just get bored by 50-70 on any character.
Thats what ive been thinking since release. Saved me $100 in my currecy( just because my money is not worth much doesn't mean i have 30% more)
I gotta say while I agree with your concerns about D4, my problem with PoE is the complexity. I have played a few seasons but only until like Dominus (boss) until I just got burned out. PoE is wayyy too complex for normal people like me to make their own build. If you don't follow a build guide, you are eventually softlocked where you can't progress anymore. In General, I think there are just too many systems and mechanics and stats and other things to know. Also I am missing an option to ALWAYS completely reset my skilltree and start anew. Just using those Books that give you like 2 Respec points sucks. And maybe there is another option but I wouldn't even know.
Good review, I'd just skip PoE then, no time
ITS A NEW GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!
Poe is to complex for anybody.
its bloated dogsh*t game for it.
On top of them obviously hiring psychologist to manipulate you into thinking the game is free when in reality its really not.
Yeah as a PoE veteran with over 4000 hours in the game I had discussion with my friends playing the game about how hard it would be to get into the game if I started today with all the mechanics that have been drip fed to me over the years. Just like starting a MMO years after release it must feel very overwhelming as a new player and this is the criticism a lot of people that play PoE and recommend it are missing. One of my friends tried the game twice quitting it very early each time until he played it to the end of the campaign with a build he liked and he got hooked barely trailing behind me in hours played now (he no-lifes even harder than I do). The respec is a very valid point that a lot of elitist will fight against but I don't see why you can't have free respec until at least lvl 60ish for new players to try things out.
Dominus, really? That's like 30% through the tutorial, you don't need to know anything at all at that point.
The biggest issue for me is gear. Between 52-69 I don’t think I found a single upgrade. This game needs way more mid lvl gear.
The lack of gear is such a strange thing for them to have neglected. The whole game loop of finding cool stuff, agonizing over cool upgrade paths and feeling that power curve is the whole reason people stick with the game. They even manage to mostly kill the desire to roll new alts because the classes are so simplified if you want something that actually works.
@@2008tmpthe lack of gear is because it’s f2p, dub
the main take away from this video ->TLDR: POE has ironed out all the features D4 has and its free.
personal thought, POE is much more complex to borderline too complex and you almost NEED to follow a build guide to navigate that skill tree, and is made for the hardcore ARPG players. D4 is more casual.
PoE also is a free demo, basically his complaint about stashtabs can be applied to f2p PoE,if you want to enjoy the game and have enough space for the billions of different items you need to pay for the stash tabs,and it will cost you more than d4,also the cosmetics are much more expensive in poe and the in game items look like shit. Respeccing in Poe is much worse than in d4 and content has been fleshed out over many years. D4 can be improved but the game is more fun than not. While PoE is the opposite,it traded fun gameplay in favor of complexity and it pushes you to spend money in order to surpass the complexity and the awful looks.
@@inpusket also if you wanna look decent in poe you are going to spend even more than just 70$
Fun fact. Every class in PoE can equip a shield. Just wanted to put that out there.
And miss out on a 2nd 6-link?
@@1un4cy No need for a bulky 2 slot six link when you can craft a nice 7 link 1 slot =P .
@@1un4cyif you know how to craft you can make even a 8+ link item with 3 sockets. But Elder/Shaper influence crafting is no joke and you need knowledge about currency and how to craft
@@1un4cy squire shield and an essence helm with elemental skills means you could have 2 6 links and a 10link....
Glad you made this. I started following your content before you removed "gaming" off the channel name. Only recently found out you played PoE tho. The granular control of your character in PoE just can't be matched. Every league is something new for me. Been playing for about 4 years now. I'm already burnt out from d4 and doubt I'll even touch season 1 sadly. Cannot wait for the PoE2 info drop at Exilecon tho! As always keep up the killer content brother. Much love.
Same, PoE 2 can't wait
Here's my take on why "go play path of exile" is something I won't do ever again:
I tried playing PoE a couple of times already. Tried making my own build and every single time I realized a few hours into the game that my character was absolute shit. Hitting many walls. You could say that this is because I am stupid or a bad player and I could agree. However, even being stupid and a bad player I could finish D4 campaign and have a little fun. With PoE I was only getting frustrated. Eventually I followed other people's advice and followed a build guide and man... this is simply not for me. I only have a couple of hours per week to play and why on earth should I waste it letting other people play for me? In my opinion, PoE is a bloated game. Full with unnecessary (and sometimes redundant) attributes that sometimes I think are only there for the sake being a "complex game".
Another major point for me is play style. Even after following a build guide I realized that most of the gameplay revolve around spamming the same button ad aeternum. I can understand if this is for you but to me this just isn't fun. I have quit MMORPGs I really enjoy before for this exact reason.
Finally, I honestly think the game looks aesthetically horrible, the passive skill tree is a huge turn off and I don't like small things that D4 approaches differently like having to search for gems to use skills and spending a lot of time having to reorganize my inventory every time I pick up an item because even though I have the space, it won't fit in the way it is organized.
D4 is far from perfect and I could also list a couple of things I don't like, such as level scaling. But it all comes down to personal preference, I honestly can't play PoE but I understand if your prefer it.
Man... everything you just said is how I feel about D4.
But I also had the "this isn't POE" from the very start of the game.
For me the firsr and early experience is the best. There are so many moments where yo feel very powerful because you found that special item that gives you a boost over mobs for th next 5 levels that its really enjoyable. its a pitty that falls flat very fast and is not happening in the endgame so much. Maybe thaty why i like roguelikes now better these days.
I completely agree with the level up points needing to be placed "correctly." I was getting crushed early game because I put points into skills I thought were cool and started upgrading them willy nilly. Once I looked up a build, I followed it and now I'm crushing it.
Soooo instead of fun it is ANOTHER job, another chore? No, TY.
Great you have shared your experience. I LIKE, ENJOY playing like you did in the start.
IT simply is not a game for me it seems.
PoEs passive tree is like this too though, and more punishing to respec
One of the reasons Grim Dawn is my favorite arpg. 36 class combos with multiple ways to spec each one and play very differently. Almost any spec can work if you have the gear to support it. Respecs are cheap no matter where you are in the leveling process so it really supports the fun of making big changes to see how they play when you find something interesting.
Diablo IV is *heavily* designed-by-committee, formula, and to drive players to the store. Gone are the days where the development team is allowed to grow, innovative and experiment. Gone is the passion and creative freedom we saw in Diablo and Diablo II. This iteration is barely complete and stretched paper-thin. My days of buying Activision/Blizzard games are probably at an end, unfortunately.
But what about Movrosoft/Blizzard games?!!
I dont even understand how that's an argument. The skins have no impact on the game. How does the store even matter in the conversation?
@@Collins311 Guess we'll be seeing a lot more Xbox exclusives in the future... Sigh 🙄
@@PaxAmericana76If you're really interested in that answer, there's a lot of good videos on YT explaining the slippery slope of microtransactions. Basically it comes down to how offensive their gluttonous greed is, and how these will inevitably evolve into gameplay affecting microtransactions (although they should really be called Macrotransactions at this point). There's also the fact that special armor, mounts, and other items are supposed to be simply extremely rare, and not dependent on how much disposable income you have. Only time, skill and desire should be required. Often, certain gameplay elements (like a proper inventory for example) will be left out, so in the future, a new microtransaction will appear to save the day. Not enough inventory slots or tabs? Simply buy another! No one should be arguing in the defense of a multi-billion dollar company that pays its executives more money than you'll ever make in ten lifetimes, and its development teams chump change in comparison.
>formula, and to drive players to the store.
you clowns are so dishonest
in 300 hours of d4 the game never forced me to check the store
in 2k hours of poe i was forced to buy multiple tabs and if you dont buy mtx you are always going to look like a clown because the base game has zero good looking armor
Biggest problem for me always was, and always will be, no way to play offline despite costing $70. It's not like the game is an MMO or even requires other players. Weeks in and I couldn't even find another player who wanted to party up, with everybody seemingly wanting to play solo.
perfect comment.
So many people saying that Diablo IV made them play PoE... What a weird but beautiful world we live in! I love PoE, so, WELCOME, EXILE!
The giraffe ending is cherry on top, Blizzard is really milking Diablo franchise
Those milkers are getting reaal dry
Grim Dawn I think is the best complete package but Last Epoch has incredible build crafting
If EHG can keep up with their innovation I think Last Epoch will be up there among the best ARPGs once it's fleshed out more. It's already in a solid enough place for that between the crafting system, each skill having its own skill tree, legendary potential and the upcoming trading system, just need more of that innovation coming.
I'm glad you put your input. I felt conflicted myself. Playing this game felt like they threw everything together real quick and didn't care about it. The rewards are gate kept and so many of the items are more useless than diablo 2 dead items.
Word salad...
@@AkiRa22084 after reviewing your account I found that you're mad my opinion differs from yours and instead of offering valid criticism you try to offend me. I don't mind that, I just wish you would do a better job at it.
@@ThisDique Where did I offend you? Don't be a snowflake.
Everything you wrote made no sense.
It is impossible to have gatekept rewards and most D4 items are great. What are you talking about, you do a better job.
@@AkiRa22084 rewards are gate kept by your personal level i.e. sacred and ancestral. The ultra rare unique items are 820+ and everything must be replaced constantly. You have no chance of finding an ultra rare and saving it for a higher level when can use it because people like you value short term gratification instead of delayed gratification with greater gain. There are 3 tiers of items that means you must replace your endgame gear completely at least 3 times before losing interest in the game. By item level 1000 you will have had to replaced your entire gear set 10 or more times with, fundamentally, the same exact gear with a few extra points of power or for 1 better stat if you're even slightly optimistic. Bro boring as fuck...
The Lilith statues are trash chores, the total of 5 different event activities are trash, the mob density is sparse and not exciting, the suppression affix is hot garbage and not a challenge but rather a suicide mission for HC characters and despawns a keystone ww affix even though you're inside the bubble while creating the "projectile." The game as a live service model is trash, I downloaded the entire game in 30 minutes day one and the servers constantly have rubber banding issues to this day. There is no fundamental reward for NM dungeons of high difficulty. More than half of the items in game with affixes don't get used in any build at all, if they do its a subpar "only do this while leveling" asterisk. All of the fireball and fire bolt uniques are a clear example of this. Absolutely useless waste of an item, that when you pick up, you immediately resent in endgame. There is literally no economy of trade, this game might as well disable the ability to trade honestly.
BTW, ad homenem. Resorting to logical fallacies only weakens your argument especially when you resort to attacking the person instead of the argument. You could have just asked for elaboration instead of being the snowflake you are, and projecting your self image upon me, because you enjoy playing hot garbage...
I think what this game needs is more rare items :) i don't think they drop enough :)
Maybe they should add some randomization to level scaling so mobs can spawn in different level ranges. I think that would be a lot more exciting.
This could encourage behavior where the player will just check whether the area generated easy monsters then abandon the instance if it doesn't. What would end up happening is just adding extra unfun and time-wasting steps to gameplay until players just get tired of the unnecessary complication.
Level scaling is not an issue in diablo 4, contrary to what a lot of low knowledge streamers tend to parrot. It doesn't matter for the following reasons:
1. Mobs don't scale with paragon board or skill point synergies which are 90% of your character power, the nominal stats you get from leveling that the mobs scale with are trivial. People will steam roll open world gradually after 50, world bosses are literally dieing in 3 seconds WITH SCALING ACTIVE.
2. There are nightmare dungeons that you can play where the mob level is set progressively higher than yours, so if you wanted to play versus higher level mobs for a challenge that also exists.
D4 includes quite a lot of the 'illusion of depth'. When I first started playing, before understanding all of the various systems, I thought briefly that it might have real potential. After leveling a Rogue, and getting bored, and the nerfs, my wife and I are both back to PoE after having not played it for 3+ years, and we're having a blast. The itemization, and item customization in PoE absolutely destroys D4, and obviously the same is true for builds.
I tried PoE a few years ago, and for someone new, it's quite dense. I remember having to plant these wierd plants in this side room I could like Teleporting to or something. Had no idea what I was doing.
Sounds like a Harvest League encounter.
Each Challenge League (season) introduces a new encounter type with its own mechanics alongside sort of a mini-campaign. New craft materials/currencies (in POE they are one in the same) are also introduced, which expands crafting and build possibilities. At the conclusion of each Challenge League, a modified version of that seasonal content is (usually) rolled into the base game (Standard League). If you create CL character, content from that current league will be the most prominent. However, you can still encounter content from past leagues, especially once you reach the end game (The Atlas maps).
NONE of that is well explained for newbies. Much less the actual game mechanics. 95% of the cash shop is cosmetics. The remaining 5% is for extra stash tabs and currency tabs for each of the season-specific materials.
I love PoE, but it has definitely become extremely convoluted. They completely revamped the end game pretty recently and created yet another massive skill tree for it where you can essentially choose what old league mechanics you want to focus on because there are like a dozen different ways to play the end game. I really hope they're going to streamline PoE2.
@@elementblue780 As an 11 year old player, I too feel current PoE is to horribly bloated by so many mechanics that even I'm overwhelmed by it, nevermind what a new player feels.
The current league mechanic is so pathetically bad it basically doesn't even exist, and surely won't be migrated into the base game. It's just something they lazily shipped out while working on PoE2. It's even worse for me because I last played Ultimatum, and Crucible is a worse Ultimatum. Can't even go back to my Ultimatum char because they changed things, so that char is bricked and no builds even exist for the class I was now.
And yes, I really hope PoE2 heavily condenses the game and removes many of its worst aspects, especially the new on hit/death affixes which are severely overtuned and unfun to interact with. Also melee. Melee has been ass for most of PoE's lifespan.
What they're going to do with the skill tree systems in PoE2 is beyond me, but at least the skill gem changes area a massive improvement.
@@elementblue780 the moment they streamline poe2 people are going to say the same thing they say about diablo and the route its going.
i think d4 just needs to get a couple seasons in and people will be generally happy. so long as they really dont make us pay for more stash space.
POE and last epoch feel more for the HArdcore arpg players. where as Diablo is for the casual Arpg players. just killing time between clients and get a few levels ore even a better gear. is the gear affixes a little convoluted... yes but its kinda the same with borderlands, you are always playing the same set of bosses or dungeons in hopes to get that perfect roll.
Yeah, POE is way too hardcore. I can't invest 5+ hours a day just to catch up to good players. It's good! But not for me. I'd rather play D4
Path of exile is not really free to play like lets say league of legends, its closer to a free-to-try and pay-once-to-play model in which the lack of stash space becomes a significant handicap making effective item and resource management impossible without purchasing at least one stash tab bundle.
It also has its own fair share of issues like the really complex mechanics and customization options you simply dont play this game without a freaking build guide.
Grim Dawn and Last epoch are games that I would recommend to people who like build diversity and have fun working towards something they can accomplish on their own, without getting lost in complicated mechanics that require 10 youtube tutorials to comprehend.
I have not spent a dime on PoE and didn't feel the lack of stash place. Granted, I mostly played on League, and have no idea what would happen if I opened a non-League stash.
@@cp1cupcake How far into PoE do you usually get before bouncing off of each league? I can see a player lasting maybe until early maps with the default stash tabs if they're not hoarding everything, but I don't think that'd last very long as you get further into maps and start completing your build unless you're picking up basically nothing and just buying everything with currency.
@@cp1cupcakeYeah, thanks for openly admitting you don't make any progress into the endgame. Absolutely anybody doing any amount of actual endgame progression will need to buy stash tabs unless they want to spend 90% of their time on the game managing their limited space.
I still pplay D1 with an HD mod and D2 on a moded server and to me the best thing about these games was always the gloomy atmosphere and music the unique looking monsters and death animations. Grinding was just something to do while you took in and enjoyed those things. recent ARPG's haven't managed to strike that cord for me.
Grim dawn. Dont be fooled by the flashy art, if you liked D1, Grim Dawn is your jam
@@juliofranciscogomezstoppel1860 I've played it and it wasn't. It lacks something in the art style and music.
@@punchosaurus7015 the music is extremely similar to tristam's riff. The artstyle is indeed a bit more cartoonish, but the lore...... oh boy the lore...
@@juliofranciscogomezstoppel1860 The thing about Tristram's song was that you didn't hear it constantly the music for each set of floors had beating drums and wails designed to put you on edge. When all the music it similar to "into town" it all blends together and gets boring. Tristram's song so so memorable because it's opening chord's were relief from what you were just experiencing.
Also lighting D1 is VERY dark and the monsters don't rush you in straight lines they mill around and stalk you and are often just outside of your light radius adding to the tension.
My 2 main gripes with the game are;
1) Early game is miserable. It's too slow and boring. I shouldn't feel like I need to play 15+ hrs before the game "gets good."
2) The skill tree feels like I need a college degree to understand it. Descriptions aren't descriptive at all and I often don't know what I'm investing points in. This makes it really hard to synergize abilities and gear.
If you need a college degree to understand the D4 skill tree what do you think you need to understand the PoE passive tree?
@@TreeTrunks8264 dunno, never really played it
@@huddleawWell, you are in for a really bad time. PoE is an incomprehensible mess and requires the use of countless outside resources to even begin to understand. It’s famously very difficult for new players to get into. It’s one of the main criticisms of the game. D4 as Pre-K compared to PoE being a PHD course. PoE is too much for me to get into with my limited time.
@@collinsmcrae yeah it looks like it lol but if the descriptions actually describe what the skills do and how to use them effectively, it's better than D4s in my book
They never confirmed selling stash tabs at all. They've talked about having "seasonal stash tabs" but those are are just for the season. But, saying like its a "coming mtx" is wrong and disingenuous
I also went back to POE, just enjoy it more but you gotta keep in mind that we're comparing a new game with a game that had 10 years of continuous (content) updates. POE wasn't at all where it is nowadays back then. It was free on release tho, that's a big difference
Ya it’s completely ridiculous to make comparisons to that game content wise and quality of life wise . You can have legitimate complaints with Diablo but to throw Poe shade makes it seem more shallow and biased . Also part of the criticism if purely preference as the average player isn’t gunna wanna go look at a skill tree with 1000 slots to overwhelm them. Poe is for the hardcore Arpg audience and Diablo is for the vast majority of players .
A lot of people aren’t concerned with logic.
Many people just want to be in a particular world with a particular vibe/aesthetic. Simple as.
Though there is an argument to be had for what you're really willing to invest in that and what you get back in return. These games are $70+ now, there definitely needs to be some standards for that kind of price tag, especially when you consider how much has "advanced" in game development to reduce the costs of actually making and distributing games.
@@Gakusangi > needs to be some standards
The game is a fully finished game with 5 classes, 1 huge open world, camping fully voiced and with cutscenes, endgame activities and they are going to keep updating the game with free seasonal content...
What more do you want for 70$?
@@valebonfi4482 For less than $60 we got a fully finished game with five classes, a fully voice campaign w/cutscenes, endgame activities and regular updates and no additional fees... that was called Diablo II. Doesn't sound like much more got added for that $70 price tag and games are even cheaper and make and distribute today than they've ever been.
I think you can play Last Epoch or Grim Dawn till endgame as an alternative to D4 but nothing beats POE endgame. If your a casual player you can simply set a goal of beating the campaign and then gradually learn all the other endgame content. It would be great to start learning now if you plan on playing POE2. There are plenty of content creators like Zizaran that make videos explaining crafting, builds, mechanics, etc.....
Why I stopped playing PoE? I disliked how gear looked terrible and same even after long hours of playing, how all endgame builds look like a ridiculous zooming disco ball, how there is so many systems, how there is so many unnecessary nodes in the talent tree, and how extremely tedious the game is. It's just not for me. Why I stopped playing D4? Because it just stopped being fun in the late game, and the season completely killed it for me. D2, D3, Titan Quest and Last Epoch are more of my cup of tea.
I love arpgs , i got 2k+ hours in poe, easily 1k+ hours in d3, 500 hrs. in grim dawn, couple hundred hours in torchlight 2. For some reason this game makes you not want to play it. The game play loop is terrible cause the end game has too many 'objective' based content. This makes grinding slow for me. Definitely doesnt help that the overall gameplay is slower than grim dawn with way less rewarding loot than any arpg I've ever played. Hopefully this game refines in the next few updates but seems like they are going down a path of destruction.
Not sure what the release date is but there is a PoE 2 coming soon and it looks awesome.
It's not like PoE doesn't have a litany of issue and it's been around for 10 years. D4 is very far from perfect, but I feel like the base game is something that can be built on. It's up to the devs to continue to add content and fine tune it as they said they would.
Yeah but this is nu-Blizzard you're talking about. The same Blizzard that abandoned Hots, Warcraft: Reforged, WoW and now Overwatch 2. Its hard to trust the word of Blizzard at this point when they have been blatantly lying so many times in the recent years.
Coincidentally watched another review right before yours published, who didn't like it for completely different reasons ( he clearly has a different play style / priorities).
But still I think there is an underlying pattern: It seems that the designers have no clue what core principles are the most important, and just focus on the shallow stuff.
It's like some corporate manager decided thay "we need open world!" and "it should have lots of generic content!", "it need's to be pretty!" and most importantly "we need to monetize!".
But apparently they're getting away with it again since it has good sales...
Are they getting away with it or making a product for a different subset of gamers?
Reasons:
1. I do not want to be one of the poe addicts
2. Poe is not free to play, if, you want max comfort (therefore bad game design)
3. I am a grown up person and do not have the 1000 hours to put into poe
You literally can play poe very casually in standard.
I haven't played Diablo 4, but ever since Blizzard disbanded Blizzard North, the essence of diablo was mixed into blizzard as a whole, and lost. Only fans of Diablo 2 at that point understood the essence of Diablo, and GGG are clearly fans of Diablo 2. While I've played a lot of PoE and I'm exhausted of it, I strongly understand the "why am I not playing PoE ?" argument. Nothing in this footage makes me wanna play D4 over PoE, I'm happy I trusted my principles instead of the hype and didn't get on that train, cause the hype died pretty fast. PoE still has hype almost a decade later for good reason.
I'm having the time of my life with baldur's gate 3.
I know it's a different genre, but I'm not going to stop talking about how awesome this game is
For me, BG3 is like playing a game on slow motion. Glad we have different games for different people. The most important thing is that you actually enjoy what your playing bc in the end, your doing nothing than using your life time. So as I.
I haven't touched BG3 in 2 years. I never got into any of the Larian games and the story disconnect in BG3 where you were told 'you only have a few days to live' doesn't work with the expected amount of rests you are expected to take.
Yeah, looking at some other stuff I figured that there is supposed to be a story element to it, but I was also playing Solasta at the time, and that probably is the D&D game I have played which calculated how many rests you need by far the best.
PoE is my favorite arpg of all time, hands down. It has huge flaws that I'm willing to overlook because I get so much enjoyment out of the game. But my friends aren't willing to overlook those flaws. They like arpgs but they aren't diehard fans of the genre like I am. They don't want to replay the campaign every league, look up build guid's, learn all the mechanics that have been introduced since the last time they played, etc. D4 is the perfect game to play more casually with my friends. If I'm playing solo, I'm gonna play PoE. But I do think, if like me, you want to be able to just jump in and dick around casually with your friends, then D4 is probably the better option.
Once Last Epoch starts having seasons, maybe that will change and LE will become our go to multiplayer experience.
Your standards are dogsh*t if you over look the fatal flaws of Poe that obviously make it dogsh*t and why it never gets better.
I logged a LOT of feedback in certain betas about how horrible the enemy scaling feels at later game. The feel that without certain items, builds felt terrible. It certainly needs work, but that times time. PoE has had 10 years to polish and expand. For some people, even Diablo players, if they have not started PoE it can be a little daunting with the number of systems and mechanics to "get it right" and find that fun level of play. If you've played a lot of PoE it comes easily, if you haven't it's a big learning curve.
I just copied a build from internet and im at lvl 8 maps now with my second character, so im not so sure
Love poe but it’s still an overly complicated game
At the same time they should be able to look at other games successes and failures in the genre and utilize that to make a better game, regardless of it being new, which blizzard did not lol
@@MrWinczakos And this is why I don't play PoE is because I don't like build copying. I think D4 is a good casual option
@@SkylarTrahan It's complicated but to say overly complicated is an insult to the intelligence of others. It has a knowledge check and ceiling but it's not impossible to figure out or else people wouldn't play it.
TBH the quest line of D4 along with the cutscenes and story was worth the $70. Sadly The game have very little replay value and end game is worse than that of D2 (where you just grind for rare items and pvp i guess). PoE storyline however i wasnt paying much attention but i tried 3 different class bases (archer, melee and mage) and each of them felt nice to play with. The Labyrinth challanges were a nice touch i really liked and the mapping on end game reminded me alot of one unofficial D2 mod called Project D2 where endgame is collecting rare maps and run them.
On a contrast to D4 also PoE have a very high replay value as each skill build feels just as good as the mainstream. Kinda reminds me alot of Dragon Age games where you can make all sorts of fun builds and actually explore skill combinations resulting in some very satisfying builds
This video was too good. I didn’t want to play D4 but succumbed to peer pressure and got it. The person pressing me the most to buy it, about two weeks in, decides the game sucks and POE is better. I now have committed to my first POE season and can’t wait for it to start.
I feel the same way. My take for what it's worth: People are tied to the Diablo universe. Mostly nostalgia, but also easy of access, visual style/expression and brand recognition.
POE is obviously the better game when it comes to ARPGs. But there's no denying the pull of the Diablo name and the iconic style of Diablo games. That's at least what I think most are drawn to.
POE just doesn't have the same strong expression as Diablo does.
PoE also hasn't been around since the 90's to create a nostalgic footprint as large as well. Which is something to keep in mind.
D2 lover. Tried poe awhile back, saw the skill tree thing and uninstalled.
There is such a thing as too complicated.....
On the other hand blizzard is a decrepit evil scum sucking company from the depths of hell... If i get time to invest in something it would be poe over d4 hands down
No reason to pick one, I enjoy both
@@QuestionQuestionMarkIt's still been around long enough to where quite a few people and content creators are attempting to compare 10 years of polish to a month and a half old release though...
@@mikeweatherford5312xactly this. Why is it that there's this instinctual need for tribalism in many? I enjoy Diablo because it's a much better game to pick up and put down with smaller gaming sessions. It also blows PoE out of the water with it's style, storytelling, and art direction. Whereas if I have an entire weekend to burn with not much to do, I can hop on PoE. I will never understand this thought process of trashing one for the other. Support of both makes the genre better and more competitive.
I was hyped for D4 but I've not touched it in a week or so now. Got to lvl 90 and it's so blatantly obvious the game is half-baked.
for those who are done with f2p games like poe try grim dawn
poe is more like diablo 2 while grim dawn takes a differnt route and differnt enough playstyle
the deal breaker for me was the pause option and solo offline mode
i need to pause a game for emergencies and unable to pause and always online functions has negative affects on ur personality and temper
for the past 2 yrs i have only been playing playing offline games even passed on v rising due to the lack of pause on offline mode
v rising is very fun but pause is essential for many irl issues
I paid $100 for D4.
Played early beta and 2 characters to lvl80 at game launch.
At this point I will most likely never touch the game again.
In POE the game is free.
I have around 10k hours of game play and will continue to play until someone can match its depth.
D4 is a lazy cash grab and POE is just way better.
The first update nerfs nuked my fun with D4 and I literally stopped playing once it was released. On top of clearly ignoring everything that was needed in terms of QOF changes.
After playing the open beta I abandoned ship :D. And I'm really happy about that, especially after seeing this and act mans review.
Got a copy of Diablo 2 for my friends instead and talked them into playing it ;)
D2 is great game!
I was excited until i played open beta too.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm not enjoying D4 very much, but I also didn't like PoE the many times I have tried to get into it.
try grimdawn or wolcen those two can have for cheap
I'd say that Last Epoch is a solid skeleton to an ARPG that will eventually be fantastic, but it does need more time in the oven. Crafting lets you customise and upgrade your gear exactly how you want while still being accessible and exciting, each skill having its own skill tree massively helps to add streamlined complexity and build diversity into the game without feeling like you need to follow a guide, legendary potential letting you combine a unique item with a crafted item ensures that uniques are always relevant no matter how strong they are or what build you're running, the loot filter is *the best* loot filter in the ARPG genre period, and the upcoming trading system solves the problem of how to make chase items and upgrades more accessible without turning the game into a complete economy simulator. If you want something between PoE's complexity and Diablo's simplicity, Last Epoch is definitely worth a try alongside Grim Dawn.
Just seen the title as I'm buying D4 next week
Please don't tell me D4 has a useless inventory system & space is acquired via microtransactions.
As that's what breaks PoE
Stach tabs you buy with normal gold. But as it only has 4 tabs max it fills up pretty fast specially at higher level. But it aint that bad in my opinion. Could be worse but also better.
At this point the micro is just cosmetics and the battle pass for an extra 63 levels ontop of the 27 that are free
uhhhhhhhhhh....
currently you can buy extra storage slots with in game currency but thats where it ends. who knows what the future holds but 4 additional chests is not enough especially as that storage is shared between your characters
@@antondavies3136 seeing as it's blizzard it wont suprice me now they know people want more storage ect that we gonna have to pull our wallet. Im fine with the battle pass. But you see way to much you have to pay for some conveniences in a game now a days.
I also feel like Last Epoch is a better "casual-ish" ARPG. Chronicon is good. Grim Dawn is a proper and legitimate successor to Titan Quest, etc.
There's just so much in the ARPG genre which is more fun than D4 is, including PoE.
I got to what you were mentioning mid-campaign because I committed the crime of attempting to level Druid. I was progressing backward in clearspeed, took a shitload of time to kill bosses, and was hurting because of the painful build-spend cadence where I only do "pack wipe" but "1/4th of an elite's health" damage every 10 seconds with pulverize and trample was "ok".
Add to the total lack of QoL and it was just hard to justify continuing to play. I didn't even get to the point where I cared about stash tabs because I was broken by basic shit.
- No way to set default behavior when attacking to attack without moving
- trash loot
- no resource numbers
- enemies still have the problem of "extreme threat" or "no threat", this has not been solved at all
- random non-elites will just have elite hp because fuck you go clear another pack instead
and D4 solves no problems with the ARPG genre, makes new ones, and doesn't even have any rewards for muddling through that.
It's extra bad for me because I was a paladin/crusader/monk player and they just simply didn't add the diablo roster to diablo 4. Game is unfinished, unpolished, and mediocre even compared to cheap indies like Chronicon.
I would also like to add that early game feels good...once, and only once. Between 5 softcore and 5 hardcore characters i can't tell you how much i just want to get out of the early to mid game grind and just start putting together builds.
Yup, IMO seasons or alts should be able to start at level 50
This is why I liked D3 paragon. My alts all roll with massive stats.
Has the POE skill tree changed? Cos last time I checked it was waaaaaaay harder the reset that tree than anything D4 has. To the point people would reroll cos its faster than redoing their skill tree POE.
As for the mtx, POE charges you as much as a full game to get a costume.
But I do get the overall critique of D4.
Usually with ARPG it's reroll for a new build. Of course 10 points here and there either in D4 or PoE is not that expensive.
@@velho6298 when i last played it u couldnt use gold etc. It was an item u had to use per point you wanted to reset. And they were not common.
at end game you can use orbs of regret to fully respec, it's not a problem at all. it is hard to respec because of gear, not the skill tree. the gear you craft/buy is usually very specific to your build, and you need to sell it if you want to respec (if your new build needs currency). changing your skill tree around is extremely cheap by the time you're in endgame though.
@@iknz1 ah so they have taken measures to address that old issue. Thats good to know.
@@MrLutharr You can buy orbs of regret from a vendor/other player and you get quite a few re-spec points from the campaign as well, so re-speccing once in the endgame is not a huge deal. It's just that most PoE players have played the game for so long that they will blast trough the campaign in 4-6 hours instead of wasting their regret orbs. Hoarder mentality. :D
How can anyone justify paying £60 for the basic version of this game when you can play a game of better quality for free with
path of exile, Undecember and even older cheaper games such as Grim Dawn or 40k Martyr.
This video made me install Path of Exile. Playing it solo, for the first time ever. So far, it's good :) Thanks!
I've been a Diablo loyalist despite being very critical of the company. This month I decided to finally play PoE and now I feel like I wasted all my time on Diablo 3 and 4 for nothing and regret not playing it earlier.
I have a question.... why can't I play both? What, is this some kind of exclusionary club or something? If you play Diablo IV you are wrong and you need to stop, and play the other game... but what if I just finished a playthrough of path of exile, and I'm looking for something new... like a brand new game? Oh, I can't? I have keep playing path of exile? OK.
There is one simple and a major reason why most players will stick with D4 and leave POE. It's the combat gameplay. I've played both for many years and Diablo 4 combat and gameplay just feel much more smoother and more immersive than POE's.. POE ur endgame builds are just spamming one ability and insta clearing mobs before u can even see them. In Diablo 4 ur combat and abilities are more than just one spam skills and u can make them interact and combo with one another. This game is one that will age like fine wine, once it gets more content and qol fixes the game will continue to grow.
It's got it's basics and fundamentals in a good footing, as long as it's got good combat and one that people will enjoy then there will always be a big playerbase.
Agreed. Most PoE fans want that kind of gameplay - super low TTK, high mob density - which is fine, but I prefer slower, meatier combat.
End game poe full screen destruction only comes after optimising your build, it's not instant upon reaching end game.
I tried POE. I think I was too late to the game and as a result I thought it was too complicated. If I had played at launch I probably would have enjoyed it. I got to play DIV from launch and am still enjoying it because I haven't missed any seasonal content. I was left behind in POE and am unable to enjoy any of the game mechanics that I missed. Activision Blizzard has a large budget for DIV and I have faith they will deliver relevant content for at least 10 years. Wish I hadnt missed out on POE but after trying for a week I can say without a doubt that I will never try it again. Wish DIV catered to solo self found a little more as a hardcore solo player. I also wish the escape scrolls would proc on disconnects. I would like to see a more refined stash inventory with seperate tabs for gems and a larger aspect storage with a better UI with search functions. Wish I had not missed the POE band wagon but I felt like a lost fart in a blizzard and its been permanently uninstalled. Looking forward to season 1 of DIV. 👍 Update: I wrote this before the season 1 patch... 🤯
Consider jumping in on PoE2 when it launches. You could also try Last Epoch.
@@the_elder_gamer second person to recommend it today. 👍
PoE doesn't have cross play sadly so I enjoy these games with friends and the progression has not been bad. But I do understand the gripes others may face with the game.
I remember hearing the devs say that they would look into making cross play a thing when they get the console updates to be inline with the PC updates.
@@crazy338866 that would be nice, ps4 economy is absolute misery vs pc
100% glad I never caved in and purchased D4, looked to bland for my taste. Visually D4 is very nice but from beta I wasn’t sold on it being anything past that. PoE, last epoch, D2R is the holy trinity imo.
I played POE and it didnt click, I prefer Diablo 3/4. Why? Because the games are not targeting the same audiences. If you are a casual player you'll enjoy D4 way more. That's it.
D4 just made me realize how good PoE is. cant wait for PoE 2
Poe 1.5. It's just a glorified single player expansion.
D4 made me realize why I quit Poe...Poe is just bloated trash where I didnt want to play D3.
Because D4 is garbage. All good devs are gone already and the best from D2 work for GGG already. That's the reason why POE remains king
I agree with you 100%. I know you were trying to keep it short but you should have talked about some of the skills and how they are literally useless. Example, the execute ability the barb has compared to the bleeding expunge ability he has. One does less DMG and makes you stand in an animation the other is instant and it it kills any enemy it resets the cooldown.
Yeah if D4 were a brand new game, I would probably argue with you about some of this. But being that it is the fourth installment of a game that pretty much defined the ARPG genre... I see no excuse for them to have missed out on so many basic features. It's an ok start and a nice walk down nostalgia lane maybe, but not enough to keep me engaged long term.
I just didn't use the elixir on my hardcore characters. Then my game crashed 2 days in a row, locking me out of my account when I relaunched the game and the friend that I was leveling got to watch my 74 and 50 characters stand still and die. I have no desire to play the first 50 levels with no content to get back to the small amount of late game content they do have.
The reason why the average Diablo four player cannot just go up and play path of exile is because once you get to a certain point the mechanics for a POE get really complicated so I understand the sentiment however, not all players will be able to grasp POE’s deep mechanics, and will quit before they learn them
DIABLO IS A NEW GAME!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not to hate on Path of Exile but I installed it two different times and both times when I got to the skill system or whatever you call it I just uninstalled it because it's so overwhelming.
@@mathew00 If you really want to get into PoE then I'd honestly recommend just following a build guide for your first character or two, just to learn the game's content and crafting without having to worry about if your build will function. Specifically look for league starter builds with leveling guides such as Pohx's RF build, Enki's Arc build or any of Zizaran's beginner league starter builds. They're designed to be cheap and easy with step-by-step instructions on how to level them and transition into endgame smoothly.
@@brianherrera1390 It being a new game doesn't change the fact that it's failing at several core pillars of ARPG design, with itemisation, ability design and skill tree design being big ones IMO. It being a new game excuses it from not having a fully fleshed out endgame, but it doesn't excuse it from having boring items with bloated stats, abilities that universally follow a monotonous builder-spender system or skill trees that are pretty much just one long tree trunk with artificial choice laid out in tiny branches.
I did 3 leagues which seems like people enjoyed the most...metamorph, delirium and legion.
The game is just bloated garbage.
6 linking on armor and 2h is absolute trash
making your seasons bloated with previous seasons makes it worse.
Valid points. They really need to put some QoL features in.
Surprised to see the video like this on this channel. Completely agree. I dropped D4 earlier than I expected. Got bored. Started new character (build I never tried befroe) on SSF. Having a great time so far.
I've got a pretty good feeling about poe2. It's gonna blow d4 out of the water
Dude, I hit level 50 in D4 when i finished the campaign and IMMEDIETELY dropped it when i saw the "end game" and paragon boards... The end game is "do these dungeons again with modifiers" or "do these random things in this area to get targeted loot drops that will likely be bad", the paragon board though? Damn that thing really feels bad, it has the lows of the POE passive tree (meaningless travel nodes that barely do much), without the highs (POE's keystone passives and even its notables are more game changing than even the fucking LEGENDARY paragon nodes).
@@spookzie4208 its funny you say that when for some reason d4 beta was more popular than POEs most popular season. ruclips.net/video/di54iEfj3i8/видео.html
@@spookzie4208x for doubt
@@kennyhouser3467 POE 1 blows D4 out of the water so they're already proving your doubt wrong.
I played PoE and loved the skills and builds but it didn't feel good for multiplayer. I hate that D4 is $70 x 2+ before even microtransactions if you want to play with anyone, but having jumped that hurdle it's a million times better with at least one buddy.
If the game requires a build guide and doesn’t have offline play, then I’m not interested.