@@INFJ-ThaneTr there is also a thing in the old game called set items. and even more rare and late game high runes that you combine to make even more cool gear. but that's in a game they made 20 years ago before they got so greedy and lazy.
@@INFJ-ThaneTr ur not garunteed gear from dungeons :| i could probably just run helltides or do world evernts or tree whispers and get better gear and is more engaging and fun
Because a balance on numbers is a simple change (in comparison) but adding UI changes and fully changing the mechanical aspects of certain systems requires a lot more testing, regression, and certification for gold copies for push to production.
This review is so much better than the mainstream gaming website reviews. He actually played the game until the endgame, he let his opinion marinate, he went into depth on mechanics, he showed examples of his complaints in real-time. This kind of review is why metacritic scores are ultimately redundant.
So funny reading someone giving advice in a gaming article me not quite understanding if that even makes sense, and i see he is lvl 20. And im like.. If you're gonna go through the pain of making an article you cant pretend to teach anyone anything if you basically just started the game.
TBH, he's level 83 and has not hit "end game". Endgame for this game is min/max gear and pushing tier 100 NM Dungeons and Uber Illth. He has done none of that. Please do not compare him to the other players that are actually on "endgame" content.
@@TheNoodleDudeYou're an absolute dunce if you think that the game changes and gets better from 83 to 100. It's the same exact thing. It's end game because it's way further than the vast majority of the player base will ever hit and you're engaging in the same content other than Uber Lilith which is one fight that gives nothing.
The biggest gripe is the end game, like the almost very end game. Like 80-100 as you said. I would like to see content introduced that just adds new things to do. Because, the level 1-70 experience is quite good tbh. Maybe things that REQUIRE level 85. Maybe a 10 man raid where you go down to Hell and fight a massive army. Maybe a fortress defense mode where you build shit, doesn't have to be super complex, that you defend a castle with 4 people. Maybe a tower defense type mode that would incentivize people who use like CC to slow and freeze enemies. Stuff that people made in like Starcraft and Warcraft 3 days. More Butcher-esque like encounters, but not the butcher. Maybe a dungeon that has 0 respawns, but the rewards are tremendous (non-HC). And of course, the standard stuff of adding a new character, new gears in season, etc.
@@admiralbonetopick600 I know I'm not complaining I've been loving the game. I'm sure most people have. These are just ideas that I think would be really cool considering we are playing on a large open world with other players.
I want the guys who made the campaign and the guys who make the wow raids to work on one game. This would be the best of early game and progression with amazing endgame content.
Agreed about dungeon events. I usually skip them. Especially NM they're impossible to "succeed" at saving anyone, so might as well move on. NPCs die in 1 hit. The Worse rewards from "failure" aren't worth the time.
Builder spender feels good ONLY as a combo point rogue because there is a massive upside where you get a greatly enhanced ability, where most classes the upside they get is being able to use their ability at all
Pretty sure both wizards and druids have strong build revolving around generators aswell, as a necro i'm strongly considering replacing mine all together.
As others have said, it can have utility buffing defense or offense, but I think they should do enough damage that you can easily take out trash mobs with them. Yes, you can with certain builds at certain difficulty levels, but enemies are super tanky - even on tier 1.
The issues you mention about levelling from 80+ aren't just prevalent at 80+. After completing the campaign on a druid I started levelling a rogue but skipped the campaign. All there is to do is dungeon spams and tree of whispers grinds which both get old very fast. There just seems to be a complete lack of content - I appreciate I skipped the main campaign, however I honestly thought there would be more to do. Interested to see what Season 1 brings but if it's not interesting either I likely won't return to the game.
There is more to do than those, but yea they are probably two of the better ones for XP. You got world events, strongholds, helltides, legion events, world bosses, side quests, cellars, aspect dungeons. The thing is that, the tree of whispers are probably the most lucrative XP wise so you tend to lean towards that if you're not spamming a dungeon over and over for XP, or doing the cellar/world event reset glitch, which gave me 10 levels 60-70 in about 8 hours. I do not know if that is super good, but its about twice as fast as running NM dungeons 10-15 levels higher than my character.
I fell into the same trap. Decided to see what the skipped campaign experience would be...and it's so much worse than just playing the campaign. Like, not even any of the epic campaign bosses are used outside of their specific setpieces, and those are THE best boss fights period which are inaccessible for 95% of the overall playtime. I want to fight WT4 Uber Astaroth, Broll, Andariel, Duriel, Elias, and Lilith's elite servants but i can't because those don't exist.
@@ShaddyzZz The XP on everything other than the quests are so low. I'm playing Veteran world since the start and oh my god, what a drag to reach level 50, specially if you don't have so much time to play.
And I do know that it is faster on lvl 1, which I also think is a big issue. How could they do this? The way it is right now, they could just delete the world 2, would be fine.
Excellent takes. I’m almost 80 and feel the same. I’m growing really tired of the constant “on death” mechanics and super annoying rift affixes. I just want to run some rifts to get some better gear and having to duck into a lightning bubble is super annoying. I’m am very concerned that people are just going to get too frustrated with the game.
I'm close to 70 and I'm already feeling the grind. Made to Tier 4 at level 69, but so far rewards have been meh. Leveling is so low and ancestral gear usually isn't an upgrade. I had a dagger with level 48 requirement and used it until around level 65 b/c I couldn't find a suitable upgrade. Tier 3 was better. Leveling was still relatively quick and sacred gear was often an improvement. I assume they'll improve things, but idk if it will be season 2 or season 12.
@@xgudnitexgudnite228 The meta sorc builds are pretty meh, but there's many options you can go for that do absolutely ridiculous amounts of damage. There's more risk involved as they tend to shine more the closer to the enemies you get, but it's seriously fun
i was playing the game while watching this and right as he started talking about not being able to break through walls with a mount, I ran into a bone wall with two skeleton archers lmao
The reason your character felt stronger in Diablo 3, is because the minions didn't scale with your levels. Not only would items make you feel stronger, but your character level would as well. In my opinion, that is my biggest problem with leveling in this game. It doesn't promote people to do unique builds. Everyone uses the cookie cutter builds to level up and then change to an endgame build when they get there. As you level, your build just looks more and more weak and makes you wonder if you chose the right abilities or not. I started with Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 and I still believe the game has went off the beaten path too far. I have more faith in D4 than D3 to be a good game though.
On the builder spender topic.... I actually really like this in theory, however because of all of the power and synergies focused around core skills, the core skills outpace the basic skills severely. Combine this with the fact most Basic skills kinda suck just in pure design (Druid is the worst in this aspect) just leads to them feeling bad to press always. You can "almost" get to a point where you do not need to press a basic attack at all but you still sometimes need to, and I think this is kind of the main crux. They should either make Basic skills feel better to press, add more synergies in glyphs or paragon nodes, or just bump the resource generation from power to where you can eventually out-gear needing to ever press them instead of currently where you still need to but only sometimes.
This is the problem that makes me want to never level again. Just as you said, holding a boring basic attack for 3 seconds in order to cast 1 interesting spell... That sucks and is dull, especially after 1 campaign run-through. Make basics more fun, or allow more spending earlier during leveling. Well said man.
Got the game last night, and I chose druid. I've seen they buffed the classes. I love using Maul, and then the Big aoe stomp in a combo. So I'll Roar to slow and debuff DMG , then stomp twice, maul about 3 times then 2 more stomps. Although Im world tier 1, and lvl 18. Looking to go to world tier 2 when get off work.
I agree. using basic abilities feels awful. What they could do to fix this is maybe offer some affixes or items that make them more powerful early game. Overall the build diversity is lackluster. They are just taking too long to pump out changes imo. Everything you touched on was spot on.
I agree though, currently using 4 defense skills and an ult and a single focused dmg skill when relatively few skills are viable later on could be improved a bit
Idk I personally disagree, some of the basic skills do feel good, my favorite being storm strike or arc lash, but even lunging strike is cool for bringing you closer to enemies instead of having to walk everywhere
Same feeling. After reaching level 80 and getting all the uniques i needed on my sorc, i just felt there was not left to do. Just waiting for S1 to release right now, and i really hope they will add more interesting uniques and legendaries effects, that will completely change some spell mechanics. A bit like in old D3.
@@britneyplinke8166technically it’s pre-season, but he was saying that there’s no incentive to continue playing every season. There’s not enough juice at the end game to justify coming back and grinding all over again.
i wish items would drop in NM dungeons that could be used to altar NM sigils. Similar to maps in POE, something that would add a negative affix (increasing difficulty) with a reward of inc exp, or a higher chance of spawing an additional elite pack. Something along those lines would make the 70-100 grind much more interesting to me.
To be honest, I really enjoy D4 on the actual state the game is in. I tried to not look into internet's builds for my barbarian, trying to build by myself, got killed a lot on softcore gaming as I progressed on the main history of the game, now I'm playing on hardcore and its still funny how I have to plan every corner to not get killed and lose everything. Yeah, I know there's a lot of things that could be done better, but to be honest, as a braziliam who paid 350 BRL (kinda 30-40% of minimal wages here), really high price for a video game, as I'm still finding it fun to play, I can say that it was worth it. I still didn't play other classes (just the inicial lvls to see how they are), and I guess they will be another kind of fun, as the gameplay factor will change, probally. Idk if I'll keep playing on seasons, as to my PoV, unless theres really another main story, lvling just for lvling is not a strong appealing point to keep doing the same thing over and over, but overall, I really can recommend D4 as a game to anyone looking for something fun to play right now.
Agree with everybit of this and have no doubt blizzard will make fixes but like you said they need to get on their horse and roll the patches out MUCH faster than 3 months at a time or they will struggle to keep a player base. They need to take a page out of Fortnites book and stay on top of the community feedback and make the changes hastily
its a console game, not gonna happen, even fortnite had seperate updates between console and pc. Console requires you to submit a patch note, wait for approval, then wait for them to implement the patch. when a game is pc and console, they cant make the pc update faster, they have to match the speed of updates.
Especially if they run a B2Play game with a subscription/battle pass paired with paid for expansions. Money should not be an issue. Add content and support your game.
To help with the back tracking, i cant remeber the name of said dungeon, but there a couple that are like the horadric vaults and have teleporters to teleport you back to the entrace of the boss rooms locked door. If they had something like for more dungeons thatd be nice
@@SebiBubble I was running a NM dungeon that had the transporters to the boss fog door. I've only seen it once but it's definitely a thing and we need more of it.
You are right on point with your criticisms of the game and with the nightmare dungeon XP patch many more "casual" players will find out there isn't an end game to speak of in D4 at the moment. I have 100 rogue and druid and working on a Necro now. I never got the Tempest helm drop my druid but since he is already 100 I lost all incentive to try to get it. The super uniques in their current drop rate should just not exist imo. You have to play as if they do not exist as you have about the same odds of being killed by a shark on a beach in Nevada than getting one. I know the game will get better and end up great but it is D3 on release again. I came back to D3 around S26 and it was amazing how much they had added to the game, it feels like they should have learned something to have a reason to keep playing D4, not only to 100 but after 100.
I think the scaling ruins the feeling more powerful thing. Every fights time to kill is basically the same, at least for my build from 1-55 (where I am now). I have better survivability and some neat bursting but most the time ever fight feels the same.
I also wanna say that ontop of everything I think that some more variety in skills would be cool. Having only 3 marksman abilities for rogue for example, barrage, penetrating shot, and rapid fire, seems a bit lackliuster to me. Yes you can get affixes that enhance the abilities and make them do additional things. Arrow bounces, etc. But I'm sure you could have even more flavor with ability variety. Not adding onto the affixes, but adding some new ones like volley which would be a much wider spread cone of arrows that shoot only once, could augment them to penetrate, etc. A jumpback shot for a marksman evasion option. I'm sure more examples of unique and fun skills can be thought of, but I'm a person that really enjoys having a plethora of abilities to pick and choose from. Though I know this would probably take a long while to put into the game, but it'd be nice to see down the line.
I love how, despite there being so many coherent, competent, intelligent, and correct content creators, developers consistently and reliably disregard all the public feedback that's given.
I think a reason there's a need for a world 5 difficulty is that world 3 pretty much doesn't exist. You blitz through world 3 from lvl 50-60 and then you're stuck grinding world 4 for eternity.
Agreed. Imo WT3 should be way harder and, of course, gives you better loot. WT4 should be lvl 85+ with one or two new content exclusive for this world tier.
And it's not an interesting or enjoyable grind in any way. By the time you've reached 60+ you'll have run the dungeons over and over and over and they all basically look and feel the same. Helltides are similar. I've stopped playing as I've no interest in the seasonal restart
@@geejaybee I'm level 60 and have TONS of the map undiscovered and TONS of dungeons not cleared yet. Maybe try playing to enjoy the game and not playing to 100% as fast as possible
My friends were a little ahead of me I think I played like 3 or 4 lvls in wt3 and did capstone with them I struggled for a few lvls but then was fine by like 58
My biggest complaint besides how Lvling in the endgame is the fact that the cool aspects from d3 are now very few and only on uniques. It's dumb I want cool ass legendarys that change my playstyle. Not a % increase.
Biggest issue for me (I play about 40 hours week) is lacking inventory space. I can’t even complete 1 nightmare without having to go to town to make space. Gem tab will help, it needs to be priority. Going back to town every 10 minutes or asking me team to wait a sec my bags are full sucks ass.
"Does it feel good to use your basic abilities" - Me, the necromancer who has the chain decompose and a chance to stun and slow on impact with buffs to crowd control, slow, and stun "Yes."
I stopped lvling at lvl 72. Started again with other classes. I 100% agree with your take on the 1-70 experience. The dungeon objectives would bother me a lot less if they were halved. “Rescue at lest 4 villagers” they all give xP. “Bring ONE thing to the pedestal” there are two in the dungeon. Or for the love of god, let me carry two at a time. “Collect X anima” there’s 1.5x in the dungeon. “Kill 70% of monsters.”
Completely agree. Funny how MrLlama brought ALL of this stuff up before release and everyone called him a hater and said he just wanted the game to be like D2.
Same. I hit the wall HARD around 72/73 and haven’t turned it on since. Pretty much waiting for season 1 to start in a month. Really sucks because I genuinely enjoyed the campaign, doing the tree stuff, progressing through capstone and nightmare dungeons. But leveling (and gear drops) turned into such a slog by the 70s that I’m just not having fun. Especially with these brain dead dungeon objectives for the thousandth time. I’ll play FF16 to cleanse the gaming palate then come back for season 1 to jumpstart my Sorc.
I usually play paladin style classes. Them not having one is taking a lot out of the game for me. I got my druid and sorc up to 70 but now im pretty bored of the slow progression
I agree on several of the points discussed. However the main weak point for me is the itemization. Finding legendary gear is boring. I’m only level 50 sure.. but I’m not holding my breath for good loot (yellows and blues included)
As a former poe player, you hit the nail on the head with every point you made. I’m so glad to hear I’m not the only one annoyed with how they did some of the content. Overall a good game but man, this has the potential to be amazing!
I am an active poe player and couldn't convince myself to buy D4. The limited choices from builds, to gear, to endgame activities was obvious from the start.
@@renmeker6588 There is an amazing choice of builds. As long as you play what you like and don't look at the meta, you'll be fine. Same goes for PoE btw. meta is 3-5 builds , just like in D4. the rest , however less powerful, can still work very well, and you will have a lot more fun.
70 definitely feels like the end point for me. After that point you can't experiment anymore without spending 10mil gold to respec everything and re-do gear, and making progress on your build post 70 slows to a snails pace
@@KrigHammarits not 5 minutes dude, 70 to 100 is probably many dozens of hours, so its fair to ask for more objectives to do rather than 900 nightmare dungeons in a row
@@KrigHammar D2 has more incentive to keep end game playing than D4 currently. So your argument is really bad. A game that is 20 years older and is a predecessor of the same franchise is doing things better than the modern release. I am not gonna sit here and be like it's fine some games don't even have this much content. Lmao...
They should add this; in the Division 2 (I know a lot of arpg players have never played this but it's the exact same thing but just a shooter, not a isometric click to move with wizards) there is a way through the weaponsmith, to farm a resource that you can use to eventually make all of your gear rolls maxed out. This allows you to, once you find the perfect rolled piece of gear, know that you can eventually make that item BiS maxed out perfect roll through "crafting". Since this game is more targeted at a wider playerbase, people would be more incentivized to play the game more because they know that they can max out their character, rather than currently where a "chance" at finding a better rolled piece of gear is just not very appealing and people stop being motivated to play.
I enjoyed the game immensely from 1-70. Once you get your build online though, the game ceases to provide any new challenges for you. You finally reach the top and there's nothing but tissue paper for you to face roll essentially. You go through dungeons trying to find gear that's marginally better than what you have or to potentially roll one of the uber rares like the Grandfather. Blizzard seems to be getting in their own way with making the end game fun to me.
I would actually argue even further in zack's favour at 14:30 is that the only thing that gear does to change the game is limit your build capabilities and specify your damage pools to prevent fun, essentially.
I’ve been playing D4 for a couple days and it has been pretty good, I tried POE but honestly it is kind of overwhelming, I was waiting for D4 to get a discount and it came pretty fast
It would be nice to see a mechanic where if you kill 95% of enemies or so, you can stay in a zone thats near the end of the dungeon (or other location) and after a countdown the enemies hunt you and run straight to you. No bonuses or anything since you didn't kill them earlier but it forces all enemies to seek you out instead of you chasing a lost goblin or something. If something gets stuck just give a short timer and then teleport to a eligible location where it isn't stuck. Even a demoralize mechanic could be added that changes depending on the location. last enemies receive a massive buff or the player receives a nerf. Of course you could always just run back anyway through the whole dungeon. (I have not played D4 yet)
I really think they should add Mob kill count thresholds to the Renown system. Like, every so many kills gets a point of renown. So its still a grind, but its more natural feeling.
Agree with basically everything you said. And definitely agree they need aa Tier5 for like lvl 90+ players or something. I'm already bored around lvl 80 thinking about "there is no purpose for me to continue to level".. So they rly need to add meaningful endgame for the very high levels.
Try starting a new character maybe, don't burn yourselves out. Most players aren't there yet so you're not gonna be missing out on anything. And honestly at your level, you've seen everything the games has to offer maybe except for uber lilith.
Why do you need a goal to work towards? I mean this as no criticism, just curiosity. I see a lot of people with an experience like this, not just specifically in Diablo 4, but gaming in general - for lack of a better word, I'm gonna call it "goal oriented gaming". As in, the game itself becomes secondary to the end-goal being pursued. Personally I've always experienced games as sort of a dance - something I do, because I enjoy doing it. I dance for the dance, not to reach any set goal. And I play games to enjoy the experience of the game. I mean, it's fun to have some things to strive for in a game as an added experience, be it competitive, or a milestone of sorts, but I see those as secondary. If I enjoy the game, I play it and if the available goals within it are fun to pursue, I will. But for the most part, the playing itself is its own reward. And if I don't enjoy the game that much, no amount of goals to pursue will ever change that. So, in either case, the goals don't play a significant role in my experience of the game. Again, to avoid any potential misunderstandings, this is not meant as any sort of judgement of anything. Just genuine curiosity as it appears that many people experience games in a very different way than I do. Sort of in a way I see people experiencing jobs - as something to do to reach a certain goal, less so for the work itself. So I wonder what that perception/experience is like to be in the center of This also appears to be a part of how multiplayer gaming changed. Took me pretty long to conceptualize, but...over the time I've been playing games, I felt something significantly changed about the experience and I just couldn't put my finger on it. But I'm pretty sure this is it. The multiplayer stuff I played as a kid and teen were mostly designed as an experience for its own sake. But over time, the design has been shifting more and more towards chasing goals and a stated feeling of emptiness and pointlessness in the face of running out of goals to chase. I find that peculiarly fascinating
I think the guy around 26:30 was talking about the study on player retention in mulitplayer games, which concluded that match losses lead to increased retention, presumably through frustration- anyone who's spammed 10 MOBA games in a row will relate. It's been hypothesised this is why Riot tries to force a 50% win rate in LoL games
I started POE a month ago to see if I liked ARPG's and decide if I wanted to buy D4. I had a great time in POE and was excited to play D4. I got to 49 in D4 and just felt like I was having way more fun in POE. FOr the last couple of days I ahve been back to playing POE and as a newbie to the genre I feel like POE is just way more fun. D4 to me feels limiting in the skill tree in comparison.
Greater rifts are better than the current nightmare dungeons. Maybe I’m too casual but I like farming in d3 much more than d4. I’m sitting at lv58 and already lost motivation to play.
Blizzard's attempt to prolong the game is actually hurting the game. I believe they purposely took out World Tier 5 to keep people playing as long as possible till Season 1 drops. Also not having the Battle Pass implemented till so late in the game is also an issue because towards the end of the game you really have nothing to do but Nightmare dungeons, everything else isn't rewarding enough to bother doing.
Game wasn't ready for release should've just waited until Season 1 and fix all the problems before that, game is so boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring after 60
They should really do more with the skill system. For example, the modifiers for the skills should incorporate added animations like Lost Ark. For example, there’s a skill in Lost Ark as Paladin that does an initial hit for damage. If you modify it, then the attack will do a follow-on swing that will stun the enemies in front of you. Then if you modify it a third time, there’s a final swing that does massive damage to the enemies in front of you. It’s contextual, tho. You need to make sure you land those hits or they’ll be ineffective. I’m a fan of the skeleton barriers at times because I remember a location where they had barricades up to steer a player into a specific engagement area. Once there, a circular barricade rises and melee skeletons raise in the center to attack you while the heavy distance weapons are on the outside targeting you. This is an awesome example of an ambush in D4 that’s like what we’d do in real life. I’d also like to see the NPCs and enemies doing more actual activities than just standing there in an area. Some of the greatest moments are entering a dungeon and seeing knights around a campfire having conversations when you enter. Or sometimes wolves can be seen feeding on dead prey. Would like to see a lot more of this as they build on the game rather than enemies just standing in an area.
They were pretty fast to nerf mob density in dungeons because thats very important to the player base, meanwhile the not important stuff like qol changes, balancing, Making uber lilith to give a juicy reward to keep people playing can just wait for ages.
Everyone already bought the game, everyone will be back for season 1, everyone will be back for season 2. They have no incentive to rush implementing changes for players.
Dungeons: One thing I was confused on with dungeons in D4 after playing Immortal (stopped after Paragon 60 or so as I wasnt gonna spend any $$) was how Immortal seems to have more creative elements within dungeons than D4 does. Like those elevators or river rides where you're holding off waves of monsters as you go up or down an elevator or down a river was super cool. Like imagine a dungeon that's just one massive tower or elevator up/down where each level is harder and harder, more and more elites like Asmon was saying. Why not more creativity in dungeon design? Legendaries: Totally agree about adding a WT5. And for those capstone Legendaries you were talking about, a way to make them more than just miniscule number changes is they should add abilities on them that have significant animation differences for each one. I play rogue so for example they could easily make cold, shadow and poison versions of the same item that have VISUAL differences based on which one you get. If you get the cold bow for example it glows blue and does cold dmg, etc etc and maybe even has a DIFFERENT animation than the other two. Most of having these would be for clout but what else is a gear based game for if I cant show off something only a small percentage of ppl have endgame? Mounts: Agreed pathing is bad. Also agree the cooldown length is weird. But in general im baffled on how mounts are handled in general. Why dont different mount vendors sell different mounts or skins? Why do they even exist in the world if this isnt the case? Like, why dont different mount vendors in different cities have different mounts for sale? Why can't I buy a drake or scorpion or bear or literal demon mount in game with gold or some other currency? Thats so odd to me. The mounts could EASILY be endgame loot drops.
Druid has been the only one to use the basic ability “claw” due to the unique (great staff of the crone) I’m a level 72 character shredding lvl 90 enemies with my current basic skill build
@@fkubiggnessit’s not as fast as the bugged d2 werewolf Druid. But shreds everything. The only reason I can’t fight above lvl 90 enemies is because of survivability. Although I still dish out tons of damage
Same here, just stopped my rogue freshly 100, i have a full stash of gems, perfect aspects, uniques and ancestral items with great stats. I've tried everything to get past T90 but there's no way, not only do you have to look for perfect affixes on your sigils but you can forget half the dungeons and will have to quit half of what remains halfway through since there are impossible setups. The grind from T50 to T90 consisted of only two things : 1 - being more and more restricted in the viability of builds, there's a reason no rogue cleared 100 (the cheesy korean stuff doesn't count). 2 - Looking for a bigger number on the same gear, i've kept an eye out since lvl70 on every ancestral i've dropped and i have perfect stats on every piece (just not perfect rolls), so i'm just looking for better numbers on incredibly rare stuff already, and i have to sort through 1000 pieces of garbage to find one that may be usefull. So the only end game path a player who knows what's up can look forward is to get pigeonholed into looking for incredibly specific stuff so as to do the only challenging content in the game (because best believe that as soon as you hit 65-70 if you know what you are doing there's absolutely no challenge in anything but nightmare dungeons). There's absolutely no other way to play and that's a shame. Don't even speak about PVP, i OS everything until i see a barbarian and i get OS. Hardcore maybe would be fun with some personal rules if only the game was stable enough.
back tracking in a dungeon as a necro main is the slowest, most boring and annoying thing to do. and i remember them saying creatures left behind would seek you out so you wouldn't need back track in dungeons, never do they seek me out, i just spend another 5 minutes running back to kill one and run all the way back to unlock another door, so annoying
Legion Events should be more difficult tbh. Plus you should not be able to go tier 3 if you're not 50 or tier 4 if you're not 70 in my opinion, this gives leechers a chance to leech
I get bored after level 73 but I had 4 grand caches dropped from the world boss. I leveled up my character to 80 just to open that caches so I can finally get my desired build-enabling uniques (druid). I opened them all at once; 3 sigils and a few sacred/ancestral trash...
You didnt touch on the PvP problems at all :( they need to make a change there too bc the only players who can ACTUALLY PvP are those at max level, and not everyone has time to hit max level just to enjoy some PvP
I think PvP was just put in there for the sake of more content. I do agree with you tho. They should separate players into brackets or something, like 30-39, 40-49, 50-59 etc. Getting one shot by a lvl 95 is not fun and unfair. The fact that you can mark yourself whenever is shitty too, you should have to choose in town beforehand and not just be able to scout lower lvls and instantly mark yourself and nuke.
You totally hit the nail on the head with the WoW Shadowlands reference, I quit at the end of the first raid tier (when my guild finally got their heads out of their asses and learned how to not die to bs on Heroic... was the worst raid team we had had since Legion, it was the one time they didn't let me lead and choose who made the cut) and still haven't really come back I played for like 2 weeks in the Dragonflight expac, but since my guild has basically evaporated I have no reason to comeback. Perhaps I will give it a go in the future maybe even try and find a decent guild like I had back in Legion, or the guys I rocked with in TBC and WotLK, I was a guild hopper in vanilla. Right now I am just too busy with New World since it had a new xpac and mounts!
The dungeons also bug out, you can end up in multiple layers of the same dungeon but all your teammates are in different ones. And the dungeon flips sides, just let us press reset lol
I feel like PoE has better skill system, better gem system, the loot is up in the air I think PoE is a bit better. Im having fun with D4 but I am more looking forward to PoE 2
They could also just have made level 80 or 85 the cap instead of 100 and given more paragon points per level or something so you don't feel like you're just making number go very slightly bigger for 50 hours to max your paragon
I haven’t even played Diablo 4 and you made this video first of all not feel like 37 minutes. Second, made me want to get the game. Third, hope blizzard listens to the community and your advice. Lastly, gives me hope for the future of gaming because the last 5 years of it have felt like an annoyance. We want to have fun, whether we’re hardcore or not with it. We want our dopamine one way or another, listen to us as gamers (your end users/consumers) and you will prosper in the marketplace.
D2 low level skills did not cost much mana. They added more mana cost as you invested more points into the skill. A similar concept is definitely needed here but instead of scaling off points invested, they can scale off character level until you hit a hard cap
Except in D2, levelling up gave mana. Increasing the cost with character level makes no sense in D4 because you have the same mana total at every level.
@@pondracek The idea here is that by time you are a higher level you have obtained some aspects that will help with resource generation. I do agree that the cost of skills needs to be lowered regardless.....unless they are adding 1-2 resource to your character per level up.
Thank you for your honest review. With the issues in the game that you listed, I've come to determine that my time is better spent elsewhere. I already have too many games that I need to play, so skipping this one is one less in the list. And seeing how I've come to despise Blizzard and Activision for the stupid decisions they've made over the years and the outright abhorrent way they've treated some of their employees, I feel that perhaps this is for the best.
It just surprises me how often shareholders and CEOs make such stupid decisions.. They actively hurt their long-term profit potential, just for short-term quarterly numbers..
I played a wizard in D3 and felt like u could afk with spells and hardly run out of mana and in this game its the opposite. A middle ground would've been nice. Theres a bug with frodt shards sorc where the attack just misses as well
@@CringeConsultant Diablo and skill same sentence😂 The mana or the attack missing? Cos the attack missing is an actual bug lol. I'm level 60 so I don't have a fully optimized build yet nor should i need one since the mana wasn't as stingy as 3.
I 100% agree with you. I'd give the campaign 10/10, the first 60 levels a 9/10, and then the rest of the game a 4/10. Theres an awesome base here but there are some systems that need a massive rework.
It’s been confirmed uniques like harlequin crest drop after 85. So there’s that to chase. But given since launch there has been on 2 drops of it, at least announced on socials. It might not be as worth the grind. For those that don’t know harlequin crest gives +4 in ALL skills. There’s 5 other uniques that drop after 85 as well. All with incredible build potential. But all rare af
Basic abilities should one or two shot the weakest enemies, and they don't, for the most part. That's why they feel bad. Top-down ARPGs are supposed to be a power fantasy.
Maybe I’m wrong about this because I was mostly always a WoW player but why not add raids as end game content. Like WoW styled raids with match making systems for the nightmare dungeons as well? Make the best gear in the game come from raids and higher tiered nightmare dungeons that can only be completed in groups?
While they could, but since it’s asymmetric, you can’t just press your w key moving forward. You’d need to press two directional keys at a time to get where you’re going. While it’s not too far from implementing, I think the devs really don’t think it’s necessary.
@@theobell2002 its not mis information, its a fact. Im level 100 barb and both have good gears for HOTA and whirlwind, do you see other type of build defeating Uber lilith on the net post nerf other than Hota.. Does the current unique items modify your build to clear the nightmare dungeons level level 80 above.. you will understand me if you feel the pain of playing barb
Asmongold doesn’t understand how gem tab patch takes until season 2 to implement, yet Fallout 76 is out there with glitches carried over from Fallout 4 (2015) that remain unpatched
Here before asmongold reacts to his own thoughts of d4
See you in a few years
Yurrrrr
Reactception.
Lmao 😂
@@heyokahlol
Dungeon Boss specific items or cosmetics would definitely be cool. Would give some more incentive to play more dungeons.
@@INFJ-ThaneTr there is also a thing in the old game called set items. and even more rare and late game high runes that you combine to make even more cool gear. but that's in a game they made 20 years ago before they got so greedy and lazy.
That would deprive them of items they could put into the store and charge real money for so that will never happen because blizzard sucks ass.
@@INFJ-ThaneTr ur not garunteed gear from dungeons :| i could probably just run helltides or do world evernts or tree whispers and get better gear and is more engaging and fun
@@sethryder9532 Set items are stoopid.
@@sethryder9532 yea... u came 20 years to late to play a good game :p
Them not wanting to implement gem changes mid season but will nerf a class and a dungeon in the middle of the day is insane to me
Because a balance on numbers is a simple change (in comparison) but adding UI changes and fully changing the mechanical aspects of certain systems requires a lot more testing, regression, and certification for gold copies for push to production.
Classic blizzard stuff, I tell people they do stuff like this even did it in D3. And they just yell at me and call me names lol.
@@Mikey92186 please stop trying to participate on english speaking webstites by using google translate
@@WhirlwindHeatAndFlashwebstites? I think you meant “Websites”. Please learn English before trying to participate in the conversation. Lame brain 😂
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I totally agree.
I would also love to see a boss randomizer in dungeons,which includes main story bosses like Astaroth,Elias,Andariel etc.
That would be SICK😍
This review is so much better than the mainstream gaming website reviews.
He actually played the game until the endgame, he let his opinion marinate, he went into depth on mechanics, he showed examples of his complaints in real-time.
This kind of review is why metacritic scores are ultimately redundant.
Yeah, "game journalists" generally just rush the story on the easiest difficulty and makes a review based on that.
So funny reading someone giving advice in a gaming article me not quite understanding if that even makes sense, and i see he is lvl 20. And im like.. If you're gonna go through the pain of making an article you cant pretend to teach anyone anything if you basically just started the game.
But he still said D4 is a GotY contender.
TBH, he's level 83 and has not hit "end game". Endgame for this game is min/max gear and pushing tier 100 NM Dungeons and Uber Illth. He has done none of that. Please do not compare him to the other players that are actually on "endgame" content.
@@TheNoodleDudeYou're an absolute dunce if you think that the game changes and gets better from 83 to 100. It's the same exact thing. It's end game because it's way further than the vast majority of the player base will ever hit and you're engaging in the same content other than Uber Lilith which is one fight that gives nothing.
The biggest gripe is the end game, like the almost very end game. Like 80-100 as you said. I would like to see content introduced that just adds new things to do. Because, the level 1-70 experience is quite good tbh. Maybe things that REQUIRE level 85. Maybe a 10 man raid where you go down to Hell and fight a massive army. Maybe a fortress defense mode where you build shit, doesn't have to be super complex, that you defend a castle with 4 people. Maybe a tower defense type mode that would incentivize people who use like CC to slow and freeze enemies. Stuff that people made in like Starcraft and Warcraft 3 days. More Butcher-esque like encounters, but not the butcher. Maybe a dungeon that has 0 respawns, but the rewards are tremendous (non-HC). And of course, the standard stuff of adding a new character, new gears in season, etc.
Exactly some instanced shit with other players is needed
just got released hombre. Always room for ALL that and MORE in the upcoming updates and stuff. Oh yeah.
@@admiralbonetopick600incomplete $70 game boys. Grats on paying to beta test like always with blizzard
@@admiralbonetopick600 I know I'm not complaining I've been loving the game. I'm sure most people have. These are just ideas that I think would be really cool considering we are playing on a large open world with other players.
great idea! they will put them in the season so more players will be keep play the game
I want the guys who made the campaign and the guys who make the wow raids to work on one game. This would be the best of early game and progression with amazing endgame content.
Agreed about dungeon events. I usually skip them. Especially NM they're impossible to "succeed" at saving anyone, so might as well move on. NPCs die in 1 hit. The Worse rewards from "failure" aren't worth the time.
Campaign was solid. Endgame has room for improvement. Looking forward to the future!
Having a satisfactory endgame is something so many games struggle to get right.
I'm not looking to spend $70 + BP + etc for just a 'solid' game.
But we'll never get better games until we actually start voting with our wallets
@@SoulxWeaver You won't see behaviour like that by people that play Blizzard's games.
@@SoulxWeaver who is telling you to get battlepass? No one.
there's an endgame? lol could have fooled me
Builder spender feels good ONLY as a combo point rogue because there is a massive upside where you get a greatly enhanced ability, where most classes the upside they get is being able to use their ability at all
That and rogue basic abilities actually do decent damage.
Pretty sure both wizards and druids have strong build revolving around generators aswell, as a necro i'm strongly considering replacing mine all together.
It’s actually not terrible as a weapon switching, walking arsenal Barb either. 45% damage buff is quite nice
If they put point into the base ability it would feel better to use it :)
As others have said, it can have utility buffing defense or offense, but I think they should do enough damage that you can easily take out trash mobs with them. Yes, you can with certain builds at certain difficulty levels, but enemies are super tanky - even on tier 1.
Blizzard "so I heard you liked our game..."
The issues you mention about levelling from 80+ aren't just prevalent at 80+. After completing the campaign on a druid I started levelling a rogue but skipped the campaign. All there is to do is dungeon spams and tree of whispers grinds which both get old very fast. There just seems to be a complete lack of content - I appreciate I skipped the main campaign, however I honestly thought there would be more to do. Interested to see what Season 1 brings but if it's not interesting either I likely won't return to the game.
There is more to do than those, but yea they are probably two of the better ones for XP. You got world events, strongholds, helltides, legion events, world bosses, side quests, cellars, aspect dungeons. The thing is that, the tree of whispers are probably the most lucrative XP wise so you tend to lean towards that if you're not spamming a dungeon over and over for XP, or doing the cellar/world event reset glitch, which gave me 10 levels 60-70 in about 8 hours. I do not know if that is super good, but its about twice as fast as running NM dungeons 10-15 levels higher than my character.
I fell into the same trap. Decided to see what the skipped campaign experience would be...and it's so much worse than just playing the campaign. Like, not even any of the epic campaign bosses are used outside of their specific setpieces, and those are THE best boss fights period which are inaccessible for 95% of the overall playtime. I want to fight WT4 Uber Astaroth, Broll, Andariel, Duriel, Elias, and Lilith's elite servants but i can't because those don't exist.
I think the MSQ is the best aspect of the game right now, skipping it really shows the issues of the rest.
@@ShaddyzZz The XP on everything other than the quests are so low. I'm playing Veteran world since the start and oh my god, what a drag to reach level 50, specially if you don't have so much time to play.
And I do know that it is faster on lvl 1, which I also think is a big issue. How could they do this? The way it is right now, they could just delete the world 2, would be fine.
Excellent takes. I’m almost 80 and feel the same. I’m growing really tired of the constant “on death” mechanics and super annoying rift affixes. I just want to run some rifts to get some better gear and having to duck into a lightning bubble is super annoying. I’m am very concerned that people are just going to get too frustrated with the game.
FYI, I played a Sorc and not being strong enough to play end game is also really frustrating trying to Eek out enough power/defense to keep going.
@@xgudnitexgudnite228sorc definitely falls off after the campaign that is true
At least with infinimist build I just duck that lightning. 😂😅
I'm close to 70 and I'm already feeling the grind. Made to Tier 4 at level 69, but so far rewards have been meh. Leveling is so low and ancestral gear usually isn't an upgrade. I had a dagger with level 48 requirement and used it until around level 65 b/c I couldn't find a suitable upgrade. Tier 3 was better. Leveling was still relatively quick and sacred gear was often an improvement. I assume they'll improve things, but idk if it will be season 2 or season 12.
@@xgudnitexgudnite228 The meta sorc builds are pretty meh, but there's many options you can go for that do absolutely ridiculous amounts of damage. There's more risk involved as they tend to shine more the closer to the enemies you get, but it's seriously fun
i was playing the game while watching this and right as he started talking about not being able to break through walls with a mount, I ran into a bone wall with two skeleton archers lmao
The reason your character felt stronger in Diablo 3, is because the minions didn't scale with your levels. Not only would items make you feel stronger, but your character level would as well. In my opinion, that is my biggest problem with leveling in this game. It doesn't promote people to do unique builds. Everyone uses the cookie cutter builds to level up and then change to an endgame build when they get there. As you level, your build just looks more and more weak and makes you wonder if you chose the right abilities or not. I started with Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 and I still believe the game has went off the beaten path too far. I have more faith in D4 than D3 to be a good game though.
On the builder spender topic.... I actually really like this in theory, however because of all of the power and synergies focused around core skills, the core skills outpace the basic skills severely. Combine this with the fact most Basic skills kinda suck just in pure design (Druid is the worst in this aspect) just leads to them feeling bad to press always. You can "almost" get to a point where you do not need to press a basic attack at all but you still sometimes need to, and I think this is kind of the main crux. They should either make Basic skills feel better to press, add more synergies in glyphs or paragon nodes, or just bump the resource generation from power to where you can eventually out-gear needing to ever press them instead of currently where you still need to but only sometimes.
This is the problem that makes me want to never level again. Just as you said, holding a boring basic attack for 3 seconds in order to cast 1 interesting spell... That sucks and is dull, especially after 1 campaign run-through. Make basics more fun, or allow more spending earlier during leveling. Well said man.
Got the game last night, and I chose druid. I've seen they buffed the classes.
I love using Maul, and then the Big aoe stomp in a combo. So I'll Roar to slow and debuff DMG , then stomp twice, maul about 3 times then 2 more stomps.
Although Im world tier 1, and lvl 18.
Looking to go to world tier 2 when get off work.
I agree. using basic abilities feels awful. What they could do to fix this is maybe offer some affixes or items that make them more powerful early game. Overall the build diversity is lackluster. They are just taking too long to pump out changes imo.
Everything you touched on was spot on.
Its only been like 2 weeks dude lok
The last thing this game needs is more affixes. It's already borderline impossible to roll a decent item.
Taking too long?? What an entitled prick😂
I agree though, currently using 4 defense skills and an ult and a single focused dmg skill when relatively few skills are viable later on could be improved a bit
Idk I personally disagree, some of the basic skills do feel good, my favorite being storm strike or arc lash, but even lunging strike is cool for bringing you closer to enemies instead of having to walk everywhere
100% agree. I’m guessing I’ll be waiting for the next season a lot. Don’t feel the incentive yet to max out characters every season
Same feeling. After reaching level 80 and getting all the uniques i needed on my sorc, i just felt there was not left to do. Just waiting for S1 to release right now, and i really hope they will add more interesting uniques and legendaries effects, that will completely change some spell mechanics. A bit like in old D3.
Wtf you mean next season. There hasn't even been a first?
@@britneyplinke8166technically it’s pre-season, but he was saying that there’s no incentive to continue playing every season.
There’s not enough juice at the end game to justify coming back and grinding all over again.
agreed 70%
i wish items would drop in NM dungeons that could be used to altar NM sigils. Similar to maps in POE, something that would add a negative affix (increasing difficulty) with a reward of inc exp, or a higher chance of spawing an additional elite pack. Something along those lines would make the 70-100 grind much more interesting to me.
Can't you just play higher tier nm dungeons until it's hard? Or is it really that easy that once you're 80-85 even the hardest ones are simple?
To be honest, I really enjoy D4 on the actual state the game is in. I tried to not look into internet's builds for my barbarian, trying to build by myself, got killed a lot on softcore gaming as I progressed on the main history of the game, now I'm playing on hardcore and its still funny how I have to plan every corner to not get killed and lose everything. Yeah, I know there's a lot of things that could be done better, but to be honest, as a braziliam who paid 350 BRL (kinda 30-40% of minimal wages here), really high price for a video game, as I'm still finding it fun to play, I can say that it was worth it. I still didn't play other classes (just the inicial lvls to see how they are), and I guess they will be another kind of fun, as the gameplay factor will change, probally. Idk if I'll keep playing on seasons, as to my PoV, unless theres really another main story, lvling just for lvling is not a strong appealing point to keep doing the same thing over and over, but overall, I really can recommend D4 as a game to anyone looking for something fun to play right now.
Agree with everybit of this and have no doubt blizzard will make fixes but like you said they need to get on their horse and roll the patches out MUCH faster than 3 months at a time or they will struggle to keep a player base. They need to take a page out of Fortnites book and stay on top of the community feedback and make the changes hastily
its a console game, not gonna happen, even fortnite had seperate updates between console and pc. Console requires you to submit a patch note, wait for approval, then wait for them to implement the patch.
when a game is pc and console, they cant make the pc update faster, they have to match the speed of updates.
@@ZetriizAbsolutely odd comparison, the scale of these games are so different.
Especially if they run a B2Play game with a subscription/battle pass paired with paid for expansions. Money should not be an issue. Add content and support your game.
Most of the people that will ever play this game haven't even yet bought this game.
@cjohnson3836 it's the fastest selling PC game of all time what are you even talking about
To help with the back tracking, i cant remeber the name of said dungeon, but there a couple that are like the horadric vaults and have teleporters to teleport you back to the entrace of the boss rooms locked door. If they had something like for more dungeons thatd be nice
That's exclusively story dungeons tho.
@@SebiBubble I was running a NM dungeon that had the transporters to the boss fog door. I've only seen it once but it's definitely a thing and we need more of it.
Bro u da man for hookin DM up wit a new comp. Hes been puttin in work, id like to thank u for recognising him and helping him out.
For those events, because you don’t get any extra things, I always just leave one monster left at wave 6 until the time runs out lol
"cant change a game inside of a season" but bombs builds few days after release lol
Once the Complete Edition releases, I'm gonna have a blast diving into this
You are right on point with your criticisms of the game and with the nightmare dungeon XP patch many more "casual" players will find out there isn't an end game to speak of in D4 at the moment. I have 100 rogue and druid and working on a Necro now. I never got the Tempest helm drop my druid but since he is already 100 I lost all incentive to try to get it. The super uniques in their current drop rate should just not exist imo. You have to play as if they do not exist as you have about the same odds of being killed by a shark on a beach in Nevada than getting one. I know the game will get better and end up great but it is D3 on release again. I came back to D3 around S26 and it was amazing how much they had added to the game, it feels like they should have learned something to have a reason to keep playing D4, not only to 100 but after 100.
Just one minor note, you actually take your builder ability of your bar as a barb once you reach really good equip.
Agreed, my character is level 79 and grinding has become a chore at this point
I find NMs to be the best way to level up. Pop an elixir and go to town slashing monsters.
It takes what, 15-20 nd per level? It's soooo boring, because nd are boring. :/
Rift were so much better
I think the scaling ruins the feeling more powerful thing. Every fights time to kill is basically the same, at least for my build from 1-55 (where I am now). I have better survivability and some neat bursting but most the time ever fight feels the same.
Exactly... That's probably the biggest problem. There's just so many fundamental flaws... It's just really bad lol
I also wanna say that ontop of everything I think that some more variety in skills would be cool. Having only 3 marksman abilities for rogue for example, barrage, penetrating shot, and rapid fire, seems a bit lackliuster to me. Yes you can get affixes that enhance the abilities and make them do additional things. Arrow bounces, etc. But I'm sure you could have even more flavor with ability variety. Not adding onto the affixes, but adding some new ones like volley which would be a much wider spread cone of arrows that shoot only once, could augment them to penetrate, etc. A jumpback shot for a marksman evasion option. I'm sure more examples of unique and fun skills can be thought of, but I'm a person that really enjoys having a plethora of abilities to pick and choose from. Though I know this would probably take a long while to put into the game, but it'd be nice to see down the line.
I love how, despite there being so many coherent, competent, intelligent, and correct content creators, developers consistently and reliably disregard all the public feedback that's given.
Good devs are good because they don't give a shit
I think a reason there's a need for a world 5 difficulty is that world 3 pretty much doesn't exist. You blitz through world 3 from lvl 50-60 and then you're stuck grinding world 4 for eternity.
Agreed. Imo WT3 should be way harder and, of course, gives you better loot. WT4 should be lvl 85+ with one or two new content exclusive for this world tier.
And it's not an interesting or enjoyable grind in any way.
By the time you've reached 60+ you'll have run the dungeons over and over and over and they all basically look and feel the same. Helltides are similar.
I've stopped playing as I've no interest in the seasonal restart
@@geejaybee I'm level 60 and have TONS of the map undiscovered and TONS of dungeons not cleared yet. Maybe try playing to enjoy the game and not playing to 100% as fast as possible
@@SpkillerGamingimagine doing everything a game has and telling people to play slower no my guy the game needs more content lmao
My friends were a little ahead of me I think I played like 3 or 4 lvls in wt3 and did capstone with them I struggled for a few lvls but then was fine by like 58
My biggest complaint besides how Lvling in the endgame is the fact that the cool aspects from d3 are now very few and only on uniques. It's dumb I want cool ass legendarys that change my playstyle. Not a % increase.
There is no endgame at this time
Pretty much all the uniques suck too, which is so boring
Biggest issue for me (I play about 40 hours week) is lacking inventory space. I can’t even complete 1 nightmare without having to go to town to make space.
Gem tab will help, it needs to be priority. Going back to town every 10 minutes or asking me team to wait a sec my bags are full sucks ass.
"Does it feel good to use your basic abilities" - Me, the necromancer who has the chain decompose and a chance to stun and slow on impact with buffs to crowd control, slow, and stun
"Yes."
I stopped lvling at lvl 72.
Started again with other classes.
I 100% agree with your take on the 1-70 experience.
The dungeon objectives would bother me a lot less if they were halved.
“Rescue at lest 4 villagers” they all give xP.
“Bring ONE thing to the pedestal” there are two in the dungeon. Or for the love of god, let me carry two at a time.
“Collect X anima” there’s 1.5x in the dungeon.
“Kill 70% of monsters.”
I wish the objectives just buffed you or nerfed the boss so that they were optional but encouraged
Completely agree. Funny how MrLlama brought ALL of this stuff up before release and everyone called him a hater and said he just wanted the game to be like D2.
Same. I hit the wall HARD around 72/73 and haven’t turned it on since. Pretty much waiting for season 1 to start in a month. Really sucks because I genuinely enjoyed the campaign, doing the tree stuff, progressing through capstone and nightmare dungeons. But leveling (and gear drops) turned into such a slog by the 70s that I’m just not having fun. Especially with these brain dead dungeon objectives for the thousandth time.
I’ll play FF16 to cleanse the gaming palate then come back for season 1 to jumpstart my Sorc.
@@captiosus9753 I might play my 73 sorc again after the coming patch.
I usually play paladin style classes. Them not having one is taking a lot out of the game for me. I got my druid and sorc up to 70 but now im pretty bored of the slow progression
I haven’t leveled since getting to 50 🤣
Sucks that they will probably add paladin and monk as dlc when they were always an original.
@@uglyfoox8964there was no paladin in vanilla d3
Run NMs 3 lvls higher than you...
This. The rest of the classes are straight out of the generic D20 rpg player's handbook, give me my bloody paladin!
I agree on several of the points discussed. However the main weak point for me is the itemization. Finding legendary gear is boring. I’m only level 50 sure.. but I’m not holding my breath for good loot (yellows and blues included)
My hardcore character that had never been close to death. Randomly one shot in fractured peaks by stronghold "boss". at level 31
As a former poe player, you hit the nail on the head with every point you made. I’m so glad to hear I’m not the only one annoyed with how they did some of the content. Overall a good game but man, this has the potential to be amazing!
hittin that copium pipe really hard. Commenting to come back in a few years and laugh at how this comment will age like milk
I am an active poe player and couldn't convince myself to buy D4. The limited choices from builds, to gear, to endgame activities was obvious from the start.
@@renmeker6588 are you comparing a 10 year old game to a game that was just released in terms of content?
@@renmeker6588 There is an amazing choice of builds. As long as you play what you like and don't look at the meta, you'll be fine. Same goes for PoE btw. meta is 3-5 builds , just like in D4. the rest , however less powerful, can still work very well, and you will have a lot more fun.
@@Tevtonec lightning sorc is not bad. in fact, all elements of sorc are doing quite well
70 definitely feels like the end point for me. After that point you can't experiment anymore without spending 10mil gold to respec everything and re-do gear, and making progress on your build post 70 slows to a snails pace
@@KrigHammarits not 5 minutes dude, 70 to 100 is probably many dozens of hours, so its fair to ask for more objectives to do rather than 900 nightmare dungeons in a row
@@KrigHammar D2 has more incentive to keep end game playing than D4 currently. So your argument is really bad. A game that is 20 years older and is a predecessor of the same franchise is doing things better than the modern release. I am not gonna sit here and be like it's fine some games don't even have this much content. Lmao...
@@KrigHammarI mean. Even with d2. I stop at around 85 on each character.
10mil gold is nothing
@@lazarusfitness3892 out of curiosity, what incentive does D2 have to grind end game?
They should add this; in the Division 2 (I know a lot of arpg players have never played this but it's the exact same thing but just a shooter, not a isometric click to move with wizards) there is a way through the weaponsmith, to farm a resource that you can use to eventually make all of your gear rolls maxed out. This allows you to, once you find the perfect rolled piece of gear, know that you can eventually make that item BiS maxed out perfect roll through "crafting". Since this game is more targeted at a wider playerbase, people would be more incentivized to play the game more because they know that they can max out their character, rather than currently where a "chance" at finding a better rolled piece of gear is just not very appealing and people stop being motivated to play.
I enjoyed the game immensely from 1-70. Once you get your build online though, the game ceases to provide any new challenges for you. You finally reach the top and there's nothing but tissue paper for you to face roll essentially. You go through dungeons trying to find gear that's marginally better than what you have or to potentially roll one of the uber rares like the Grandfather. Blizzard seems to be getting in their own way with making the end game fun to me.
Now i demand an Asmongold's reaction to this 37min clip, should be at least 4 hours of a video!
I would actually argue even further in zack's favour at 14:30 is that the only thing that gear does to change the game is limit your build capabilities and specify your damage pools to prevent fun, essentially.
that rng is a bitch fr
Also, can we please get a button to open the fully expanded skill tree instead of the small one? I hate needing to click that arrow every time.
When I went back to D2R for a few hours and had way more fun theres something fundamentally wrong with d4
Wait for gem tabs until season 2? This is ridiculous. Spot on analysis!
Once I get to this point, I am going to main PvP and make PvP dedicated builds. I hope they add more PvP modes.
A gvg all out battle would be fun, if you're gonna have guilds they should add more guild content.
I’ve been playing D4 for a couple days and it has been pretty good, I tried POE but honestly it is kind of overwhelming, I was waiting for D4 to get a discount and it came pretty fast
It would be nice to see a mechanic where if you kill 95% of enemies or so, you can stay in a zone thats near the end of the dungeon (or other location) and after a countdown the enemies hunt you and run straight to you. No bonuses or anything since you didn't kill them earlier but it forces all enemies to seek you out instead of you chasing a lost goblin or something. If something gets stuck just give a short timer and then teleport to a eligible location where it isn't stuck. Even a demoralize mechanic could be added that changes depending on the location. last enemies receive a massive buff or the player receives a nerf. Of course you could always just run back anyway through the whole dungeon. (I have not played D4 yet)
I really think they should add Mob kill count thresholds to the Renown system. Like, every so many kills gets a point of renown. So its still a grind, but its more natural feeling.
Agree with basically everything you said. And definitely agree they need aa Tier5 for like lvl 90+ players or something. I'm already bored around lvl 80 thinking about "there is no purpose for me to continue to level".. So they rly need to add meaningful endgame for the very high levels.
Feel the same after 77, can't play anymore
Try starting a new character maybe, don't burn yourselves out. Most players aren't there yet so you're not gonna be missing out on anything. And honestly at your level, you've seen everything the games has to offer maybe except for uber lilith.
Bro it's supposed to cater to new dad's who have screaming kids in the background...
@@shaquileoatmeal7365 Lol, agreed. Gamer dads are the worst
Why do you need a goal to work towards? I mean this as no criticism, just curiosity. I see a lot of people with an experience like this, not just specifically in Diablo 4, but gaming in general - for lack of a better word, I'm gonna call it "goal oriented gaming". As in, the game itself becomes secondary to the end-goal being pursued. Personally I've always experienced games as sort of a dance - something I do, because I enjoy doing it. I dance for the dance, not to reach any set goal. And I play games to enjoy the experience of the game. I mean, it's fun to have some things to strive for in a game as an added experience, be it competitive, or a milestone of sorts, but I see those as secondary. If I enjoy the game, I play it and if the available goals within it are fun to pursue, I will. But for the most part, the playing itself is its own reward. And if I don't enjoy the game that much, no amount of goals to pursue will ever change that. So, in either case, the goals don't play a significant role in my experience of the game.
Again, to avoid any potential misunderstandings, this is not meant as any sort of judgement of anything. Just genuine curiosity as it appears that many people experience games in a very different way than I do. Sort of in a way I see people experiencing jobs - as something to do to reach a certain goal, less so for the work itself. So I wonder what that perception/experience is like to be in the center of
This also appears to be a part of how multiplayer gaming changed. Took me pretty long to conceptualize, but...over the time I've been playing games, I felt something significantly changed about the experience and I just couldn't put my finger on it. But I'm pretty sure this is it. The multiplayer stuff I played as a kid and teen were mostly designed as an experience for its own sake. But over time, the design has been shifting more and more towards chasing goals and a stated feeling of emptiness and pointlessness in the face of running out of goals to chase. I find that peculiarly fascinating
Currently lvl 50 Druid. I like the special enchants on items. For instance Trample now creates two waves of Landside.
mines creates 6
yep sweet aspect
I think the guy around 26:30 was talking about the study on player retention in mulitplayer games, which concluded that match losses lead to increased retention, presumably through frustration- anyone who's spammed 10 MOBA games in a row will relate. It's been hypothesised this is why Riot tries to force a 50% win rate in LoL games
level scaling is bad, and gear doesn't matter much so that sucks. why even bother after level 50?
I started POE a month ago to see if I liked ARPG's and decide if I wanted to buy D4. I had a great time in POE and was excited to play D4. I got to 49 in D4 and just felt like I was having way more fun in POE. FOr the last couple of days I ahve been back to playing POE and as a newbie to the genre I feel like POE is just way more fun. D4 to me feels limiting in the skill tree in comparison.
ending was golden. just every day the game is bad, is bad for the game, bad for the players
Diablo 2 was so much ahead of its time than the two who succeeded it totally fell short of expectations.
Greater rifts are better than the current nightmare dungeons. Maybe I’m too casual but I like farming in d3 much more than d4. I’m sitting at lv58 and already lost motivation to play.
Blizzard's attempt to prolong the game is actually hurting the game. I believe they purposely took out World Tier 5 to keep people playing as long as possible till Season 1 drops. Also not having the Battle Pass implemented till so late in the game is also an issue because towards the end of the game you really have nothing to do but Nightmare dungeons, everything else isn't rewarding enough to bother doing.
Game wasn't ready for release should've just waited until Season 1 and fix all the problems before that, game is so boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring after 60
Whatchu mean the season pass being implemented late when everyone is high level? To progress battle passes you need a fresh seasonal character
They should really do more with the skill system. For example, the modifiers for the skills should incorporate added animations like Lost Ark. For example, there’s a skill in Lost Ark as Paladin that does an initial hit for damage. If you modify it, then the attack will do a follow-on swing that will stun the enemies in front of you. Then if you modify it a third time, there’s a final swing that does massive damage to the enemies in front of you. It’s contextual, tho. You need to make sure you land those hits or they’ll be ineffective.
I’m a fan of the skeleton barriers at times because I remember a location where they had barricades up to steer a player into a specific engagement area. Once there, a circular barricade rises and melee skeletons raise in the center to attack you while the heavy distance weapons are on the outside targeting you. This is an awesome example of an ambush in D4 that’s like what we’d do in real life.
I’d also like to see the NPCs and enemies doing more actual activities than just standing there in an area. Some of the greatest moments are entering a dungeon and seeing knights around a campfire having conversations when you enter. Or sometimes wolves can be seen feeding on dead prey. Would like to see a lot more of this as they build on the game rather than enemies just standing in an area.
They need a Map Overlay, or at least a Minimap Zoom (it's so zoomed in that the Minimap is currently USELESS.)
They were pretty fast to nerf mob density in dungeons because thats very important to the player base, meanwhile the not important stuff like qol changes, balancing, Making uber lilith to give a juicy reward to keep people playing can just wait for ages.
High Mob density cost them money in server traffic, the easiest to see revenue stream is savings.
Everyone already bought the game, everyone will be back for season 1, everyone will be back for season 2. They have no incentive to rush implementing changes for players.
Level 94. Haven't played in about a week. Asmongold is spot on. No incentive after 80 or 85 ish.
Are you already fully geared with ancestral without any chance of improvement ?
@@_KimJong-un_ I have been fully geared since level 75. I have been near maxed since 85. I don't think I have found one upgrade in the last 9 levels.
@@JBX5677JB Damn my guy, did you try uber lilith ?
lost interest at 33 on my WW Barbarian and have not played in a week, you nailed it
Dungeons: One thing I was confused on with dungeons in D4 after playing Immortal (stopped after Paragon 60 or so as I wasnt gonna spend any $$) was how Immortal seems to have more creative elements within dungeons than D4 does. Like those elevators or river rides where you're holding off waves of monsters as you go up or down an elevator or down a river was super cool. Like imagine a dungeon that's just one massive tower or elevator up/down where each level is harder and harder, more and more elites like Asmon was saying. Why not more creativity in dungeon design?
Legendaries: Totally agree about adding a WT5. And for those capstone Legendaries you were talking about, a way to make them more than just miniscule number changes is they should add abilities on them that have significant animation differences for each one. I play rogue so for example they could easily make cold, shadow and poison versions of the same item that have VISUAL differences based on which one you get. If you get the cold bow for example it glows blue and does cold dmg, etc etc and maybe even has a DIFFERENT animation than the other two. Most of having these would be for clout but what else is a gear based game for if I cant show off something only a small percentage of ppl have endgame?
Mounts: Agreed pathing is bad. Also agree the cooldown length is weird. But in general im baffled on how mounts are handled in general. Why dont different mount vendors sell different mounts or skins? Why do they even exist in the world if this isnt the case? Like, why dont different mount vendors in different cities have different mounts for sale? Why can't I buy a drake or scorpion or bear or literal demon mount in game with gold or some other currency? Thats so odd to me. The mounts could EASILY be endgame loot drops.
fighting ashava in the story is lame, hes already a world boss.
its blizzard game what do u want to expect
yeah, i was confused by this choice as well....
Druid has been the only one to use the basic ability “claw” due to the unique (great staff of the crone) I’m a level 72 character shredding lvl 90 enemies with my current basic skill build
I’m in 80s with crone doing a claw build with attack speed for creeper resets and crushing stuff
@@fkubiggnessit’s not as fast as the bugged d2 werewolf Druid. But shreds everything. The only reason I can’t fight above lvl 90 enemies is because of survivability. Although I still dish out tons of damage
And the events in dungeon. I avoid most now especially if in nightmare. That and the constant explosions left behind by monsters is quite annoying.
"Making the entire game worse to throttle the 0.01% of power gamers" - sums up Blizzard's design philosophy quite well, imo.
Same here, just stopped my rogue freshly 100, i have a full stash of gems, perfect aspects, uniques and ancestral items with great stats.
I've tried everything to get past T90 but there's no way, not only do you have to look for perfect affixes on your sigils but you can forget half the dungeons and will have to quit half of what remains halfway through since there are impossible setups.
The grind from T50 to T90 consisted of only two things :
1 - being more and more restricted in the viability of builds, there's a reason no rogue cleared 100 (the cheesy korean stuff doesn't count).
2 - Looking for a bigger number on the same gear, i've kept an eye out since lvl70 on every ancestral i've dropped and i have perfect stats on every piece (just not perfect rolls), so i'm just looking for better numbers on incredibly rare stuff already, and i have to sort through 1000 pieces of garbage to find one that may be usefull.
So the only end game path a player who knows what's up can look forward is to get pigeonholed into looking for incredibly specific stuff so as to do the only challenging content in the game (because best believe that as soon as you hit 65-70 if you know what you are doing there's absolutely no challenge in anything but nightmare dungeons).
There's absolutely no other way to play and that's a shame.
Don't even speak about PVP, i OS everything until i see a barbarian and i get OS.
Hardcore maybe would be fun with some personal rules if only the game was stable enough.
I swear, Asmongold could review a potato and still have me watching. His reviews are epic and I can totally agree with a lot of points here!
Okay, but why are u degrading potato review here 😡
I love potatoes
@@stasz6788 I would never degrade potato my life is potato I love potato 😍🥔
37 minute video and talking about how they agree with the points…. 4 minutes after it’s posted 😂🤦🏻♂️
@@mesmes5163 he told about asmongold's reviews overall, not this one in particular
back tracking in a dungeon as a necro main is the slowest, most boring and annoying thing to do. and i remember them saying creatures left behind would seek you out so you wouldn't need back track in dungeons, never do they seek me out, i just spend another 5 minutes running back to kill one and run all the way back to unlock another door, so annoying
Legion Events should be more difficult tbh. Plus you should not be able to go tier 3 if you're not 50 or tier 4 if you're not 70 in my opinion, this gives leechers a chance to leech
I get bored after level 73 but I had 4 grand caches dropped from the world boss. I leveled up my character to 80 just to open that caches so I can finally get my desired build-enabling uniques (druid). I opened them all at once; 3 sigils and a few sacred/ancestral trash...
Got my first tempest roar at 86 and then staff of crone at 91, meanwhile I’m swimming in barb 2handers
You didnt touch on the PvP problems at all :( they need to make a change there too bc the only players who can ACTUALLY PvP are those at max level, and not everyone has time to hit max level just to enjoy some PvP
they've said before they have little to no intention of balancing pvp.
I think PvP was just put in there for the sake of more content. I do agree with you tho. They should separate players into brackets or something, like 30-39, 40-49, 50-59 etc. Getting one shot by a lvl 95 is not fun and unfair. The fact that you can mark yourself whenever is shitty too, you should have to choose in town beforehand and not just be able to scout lower lvls and instantly mark yourself and nuke.
You totally hit the nail on the head with the WoW Shadowlands reference, I quit at the end of the first raid tier (when my guild finally got their heads out of their asses and learned how to not die to bs on Heroic... was the worst raid team we had had since Legion, it was the one time they didn't let me lead and choose who made the cut) and still haven't really come back I played for like 2 weeks in the Dragonflight expac, but since my guild has basically evaporated I have no reason to comeback. Perhaps I will give it a go in the future maybe even try and find a decent guild like I had back in Legion, or the guys I rocked with in TBC and WotLK, I was a guild hopper in vanilla. Right now I am just too busy with New World since it had a new xpac and mounts!
Spot on for level 70-100! I am feeling exactly the same
The dungeons also bug out, you can end up in multiple layers of the same dungeon but all your teammates are in different ones. And the dungeon flips sides, just let us press reset lol
I feel like PoE has better skill system, better gem system, the loot is up in the air I think PoE is a bit better. Im having fun with D4 but I am more looking forward to PoE 2
They could also just have made level 80 or 85 the cap instead of 100 and given more paragon points per level or something so you don't feel like you're just making number go very slightly bigger for 50 hours to max your paragon
Agreed. I don't really understand why they made the cap 100. Seems unattainable tbh
I haven’t even played Diablo 4 and you made this video first of all not feel like 37 minutes. Second, made me want to get the game. Third, hope blizzard listens to the community and your advice. Lastly, gives me hope for the future of gaming because the last 5 years of it have felt like an annoyance. We want to have fun, whether we’re hardcore or not with it. We want our dopamine one way or another, listen to us as gamers (your end users/consumers) and you will prosper in the marketplace.
Good Criticism. A very good base, with room to be great.
D2 low level skills did not cost much mana. They added more mana cost as you invested more points into the skill. A similar concept is definitely needed here but instead of scaling off points invested, they can scale off character level until you hit a hard cap
That's weird...I had this exact thought in the shower this morning.
Except in D2, levelling up gave mana.
Increasing the cost with character level makes no sense in D4 because you have the same mana total at every level.
@@pondracek The idea here is that by time you are a higher level you have obtained some aspects that will help with resource generation. I do agree that the cost of skills needs to be lowered regardless.....unless they are adding 1-2 resource to your character per level up.
Thank you for your honest review. With the issues in the game that you listed, I've come to determine that my time is better spent elsewhere. I already have too many games that I need to play, so skipping this one is one less in the list. And seeing how I've come to despise Blizzard and Activision for the stupid decisions they've made over the years and the outright abhorrent way they've treated some of their employees, I feel that perhaps this is for the best.
It just surprises me how often shareholders and CEOs make such stupid decisions.. They actively hurt their long-term profit potential, just for short-term quarterly numbers..
I played a wizard in D3 and felt like u could afk with spells and hardly run out of mana and in this game its the opposite. A middle ground would've been nice. Theres a bug with frodt shards sorc where the attack just misses as well
@@CringeConsultant Diablo and skill same sentence😂 The mana or the attack missing? Cos the attack missing is an actual bug lol. I'm level 60 so I don't have a fully optimized build yet nor should i need one since the mana wasn't as stingy as 3.
I 100% agree with you. I'd give the campaign 10/10, the first 60 levels a 9/10, and then the rest of the game a 4/10. Theres an awesome base here but there are some systems that need a massive rework.
Blizzard spoke about implementing buffs now. The basic skills seem like a great place to do so, and make them feel more impactful.
It’s been confirmed uniques like harlequin crest drop after 85. So there’s that to chase. But given since launch there has been on 2 drops of it, at least announced on socials. It might not be as worth the grind.
For those that don’t know harlequin crest gives +4 in ALL skills. There’s 5 other uniques that drop after 85 as well. All with incredible build potential. But all rare af
Basic abilities should one or two shot the weakest enemies, and they don't, for the most part. That's why they feel bad. Top-down ARPGs are supposed to be a power fantasy.
Imagine not specing or collecting gear to buff your basic attack and then complaining about how you suck lol
Basically no end game.
I’d like to be able to sell legendary items with aspects . An in game player marketplace would be absolutely sick.
Maybe I’m wrong about this because I was mostly always a WoW player but why not add raids as end game content. Like WoW styled raids with match making systems for the nightmare dungeons as well? Make the best gear in the game come from raids and higher tiered nightmare dungeons that can only be completed in groups?
i really need them to add WASD movement. binding move to scroll wheel helped a little bit but movement would feel so much better with WASD movement
While they could, but since it’s asymmetric, you can’t just press your w key moving forward. You’d need to press two directional keys at a time to get where you’re going. While it’s not too far from implementing, I think the devs really don’t think it’s necessary.
you can use a controller
They nerf barbarian to the point that build diversity is not playable at higher tier😂
Me when I spread misinformation on the internet..
@@theobell2002 its not mis information, its a fact. Im level 100 barb and both have good gears for HOTA and whirlwind, do you see other type of build defeating Uber lilith on the net post nerf other than Hota.. Does the current unique items modify your build to clear the nightmare dungeons level level 80 above.. you will understand me if you feel the pain of playing barb
My experience till level 60-70 i was like " this is the best game i've played in my entire life "
After 70 : " meh "
Asmongold doesn’t understand how gem tab patch takes until season 2 to implement, yet Fallout 76 is out there with glitches carried over from Fallout 4 (2015) that remain unpatched