idk dude I really disagree about itemization. Quin had a great point that instead of saying Whirlwind does X, they can say channeling skills, which would work for probably every single class in some way. FUN and DEEP itemization doesn't need to be PoE level complexity. General power bonuses > specific power bonuses. It literally wouldn't do a difference to casual players but would make the world and open up SO MANY more builds for the more hardcore audience.
nah changing whirlwind does X to channeling, would create problems for balance as different skills have different bonuses and scale different. asmon is right its better to start simple, balance everything from there, after that they can add to the itemization in seasons
They already went to the trouble to make tags for skills, not using that in itemisation is just a waste. It's like they started making a good thing and gave up and went with the old d3 boring itemization.
@@shaquileoatmeal7365 funny d2 devs planned D4 for d3 before Blizzard North disbanded. Lmao d2 fanboys don't even realize their idols were going in D4 direction all those years ago.
Only Asmon will have a take like “I don’t care about the shop because it doesn’t affect me” and then segway right into “the UI doesn’t bother me because it’s good for console players”
Sadly his take on so many gaming related things for a few years now has just boiled down to "lol who cares". Like, ok you don't care what an interesting and engaging thing to say to add to discourse. What a reaction.
Asmon is delusional about many things, just like the whole "evaluate your life if 70 dollars for a video game is a big deal" the fact he has the balls to say that when he makes hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and has entirely Forgotten what its like to be an Average working class person is insane. 70 dollars for A lot of working class is almost equal to an entire work day worth of money.
The issue with the itemization is not the lack of complexity, it's that it's boring for casual players and hardcore players alike with all the distant enemies/healthy enemies/nearby enemies stuff that has no resonance. Who's going to try and figure out how to optimize that if they're casual. Whereas if it said 40% increased fire damage, and they use a fire skill, well goddamn, that's an upgrade, let's equip that! The itemization in D4 is sorta like Ziz's critique of the respec system not working for casual players in a game designed to be accessible. Having more illustrative and topdown itemization with plus stats, plus crit chance, plus % damage to specific elements, plus critical hit damage, all that stuff is easy to understand for people who've played any video games at all.
You don't have to figure out how to optimize if you are casual. If you are casual you are not going to care about any of that stuff. Want to know why? Because I am casual. I did the same thing with Diablo 3. Just killed a lot of enemies while listening to music or a podcast I was catching up on. Gave 2 shits about any of the math. Just did what I felt was right or what I thought was interesting. Ziz is wrong there in thinking any of that is what a casual player cares about. He really needs to understand what the word casual means.
I consider myself a casual. I have not played the beta to the fullest extent ( like lvl 11 i think). But the fact i went from a 40 dmg shortbow to a 130 dmg rare crossbow and it felt like it made almost no difference of overall dmg was like a big let off. Why does scaling even exist at that point? Why does dmg even need to display on items if its not going to matter whatsoever? I understand that the extra stats and bonuses are just as important, but at least give me sense of upgrade when the next weapon i pickup displays more dmg than the current weapon i have. Ive played diablo 3 and other arpg's for a bit and even there you felt the upgrade of dmg of the next better weapon you found, even when its going from a common weapon to a another common weapon.
There actually were naked corpses impaled on spikes though. If you did the Dungeon in Nestrava after completing the Stronghold, there were even naked corpses chained up throughout the dungeon.
@@maxmustermann3938 Bit of a guess ofc but the way you describe it sounds like you are into her and you are being friendzoned. If true: Stop simping; in fact: if not true stop simping just aswell.
Ok i adjusted the game price for inflation, but also adjusted for the amount of copies sold and and the distribution cost of not shipping a physical copy. You can't justify game costs by just looking at inflation and costs to make the game, the amount of games sold and cutting out physical distribution should offset game prices. Without numbers to back up the inflation/games cost more to make , the statement is meaningless. I see it as another way to push the boundary, testing the limits of what people let companies get away with.
Every time the inflation argument is brought up the amount of units sold and increased efficiency in distribution is left out. But remember apparently you're a loser if you disagree.
Right. Games getting cheaper not more expensive. That's how techology works in our world before a product gets replaced by a better one. Then the price goes up again until the item is gone for good. I wouldnt be surprised If Blizzard charges +100% of what it actually cost them to produce the game. But asmongold sees a two digits number and thinks it must be worth it, apparantly.
Bro you are trying to correct a dude who makes a living by sitting in a room in his moms house and plays video games all day. asmond is a smart dude and hes usually on point with stuff but at the end of the day he isn't very educated or has enough life experience to hold a reasonable opinion about stuff like that. You dont know what you dont know. He's just a stoner who argues with people on the internet all day...
The way Asmongold's perspective on microtransactions has shifted of the years, it makes me think he is developing a game or invested in a gaming studio.
All of his takes on Diablo 4 are absolutely terrible lol. Dudes defending micro transactions. Defending the game being made for Console and ported to PC. Defending the game being targeted at super casuals. Defending horrible itemization and saying it's not designed to play for thousands of hours. Says the difficulty is great where it is. Says dungeons won’t be an issue. Says scaling won’t be an issue. He thinks resistances are stupid? This dude literally has no clue what he's talking about and if he does he is just shilling at this point. Like how are you going to act like them turning Diablo 4 into a Casual Console game isn't worse than what they did with Diablo Immortal?
@@bartonfile6569 You don't even know what endgame will be like man, how can you even have a remotely accurate and educated opinion of what it'll be like ? Stop being a negative Nancy, just play the game and leave if you don't like it in the end.
@@bartonfile6569 a casual console game is 100% better in every way than a pay-to-win mobile game. His whole point is that if you don't want the casual console game, you can just go play PoE, which will always be better for the hardcore gamers
@@Razsac dude Diablo Immortal was a phone game. Anyone who thought it wasn’t going to be pay to win is clueless. When we heard DI announced we were upset they targeted a PC crowd with a P2W Mobile game. Atleast we knew it was a spin-off though. Now no one seems to be upset they targeted a PC Crowd with a Casual Dumbed Down Console new “Diablo”. If they wanted to go this route they should have just made a new franchise instead of ripping off the one we all breathed life into.
Asmon really bends over backwards to give Blizzard a fair chance, when in reality they've long since lost the right to them. Of course this is going to be monetized beyond cosmetics, it doesn't take a genius to guess the trajectory of a blizzard live service game.
it is probably fair to assume that it won't include anyhting beyond cosmetics the first few seasons, but as soon as game sales and player numbers drop they will likely trickle in more aggressive monetisation. Also wouldn't be suprised if new classes need to be bought seperately and if they put them at the end of the battlepass so they can claim you can get it for free if you grind for 2 months to get it, which they actually already do in OW2 with new heroes, so it is not even far fetched.
I think the legendary effects could be done in a better way then what we saw for sure. Adding massive dmg increases feels rly cheap and "forces" you to play something u might not even want to play just cus thats the items u got from the game. If I make a barb and I hate to play bleed builds but I end up finding something that makes my bleed deal 100% more dmg I feel forced to play that even if I hate it just cus its gonna be so much better then all my other options. BUT i think it can still be done in a way so u feel tempted/interested to try out new things, lets say i play light sorc and i find a item that say "every 3rd hydra cast will become free of cost" that might be enough to make me want to experiment with that skill cus it sounds nice but not forced.
@@Jackex LOL no... That's not how that works. The stats are all that matters. Item level is just what determines roll chances for stats. For a figurative example: A ring with iLvl 50 could have something like anywhere between 2%-10% cold damage increase. But a iLvl 70 could probably have something like 3%-15% cold damage increase. So sure the higher level ring has a better chance at getting a better roll, but a item with lower item level could still roll decent. You might get really lucky with that first ring at lvl 50 and it has the max +10% cold dmg, but then every ring you find after, despite being a higher level, just rolls like +9% or lower because you didn't get as lucky when it rolled. So iLVL does not = dmg, it just means a better chance at higher rolls for stats on the item.
@@pyllyvanukas how is he a diablo 4 shill? what he said makes sense to me....its not like FF where higher iLvl directly means increased stats. If i didnt happen to read this comment, i definitely wouldve been there with (using his example) the ilvl70 ring with +9%cold damage, while having a iLvl 50 ring with +10% cold damage in my inventory, and i will CONSTANTLY question myself, like "man...this thing literally says +10%...but its lower ilvl..." and would probably do a bunch of dps tests and then still question if its actually a worse ring even tho its 20 ilvls higher lol...
The thing about making cosmetics the main monetization method, i feel like part of the fun of a game and looting new armor is getting a new armor that looks cool, and then on to the next one. If you buy a cosmetic in D4, what is the interest in getting another new one if you spent the money on one already? When the cosmetics had no monetary value, you feel more inclined to replace the piece with something new and better looking. Realistically if you have one character, are you going to be reusing old purchases much? Or is it just drain money? Idk, people are going to play and accept it no matter what but my perspective is that cosmetics are not interactive at all. I'm starting to just have no hope for live service in video games. We squeezed the toothpaste from the bottle and it's not going back in, I'll happily stick with my offline-singleplayer experiences until they are no longer being developed. I've been enjoying Elden ring and I might just replay that and try new builds. And JRPG galore, need to get back into Persona 5. I was a late bloomer on those. I'm kind of glad I have hobbies outside of gaming too. My favorite online games are competitive shooters and these games are more store than they are game at this point, so my mileage has diminished greatly. And I guess I'm just not interested in complaining anymore, I'm just not giving it anymore of my energy, I'm just not willing to give in to the monetization practices, full stop.
the armour looked like potato sacks, I am sure there will be some okay legendary and sets, but they are going to look bad by comparison. This is the only reason why we have this form of multiplayer instead of D3, so you can run into randos and be struck in awe by how good a spender looks and be motivated to not look like a hobo. Knowing the gaming industry, they will likely push spenders into groups with non-spenders just to reinforce how bad the non-spenders look.
Asmon's logic here for the $70 price point is a little scary. If it's okay to spend $70 on a game you put 70 hours into, is it fine for them to charge $200 for a game you put 200 hours into? What about horror games, are they not worth $60 because they are 8-10 hours long? The truth is this, companies are seeing unprecedented PROFITS due to microtransactions. There is no actual need for them to increase the price to $70 since they're making more PROFIT than ever even with inflation and the cost to make games going up.
Everyone's got this take that legendries are too build defining, as if the codex of power doesn't exist, and even while leveling, you'll have infinite access to ALL of your builds legendries just by going to the specific dungeons. The beta was limited to one act, and because of that was limited to the dungeons of said act and the codex powers they awarded, that's not going to be the case in the real game, you'll be able to go to every zone and unlock every codex power before even being max level, so you'll never not have your ideal build baseline. You don't have to unlock each act to go the respective areas.
Poe and LE don't use a ton of Legendaries dropping which makes end game more unique and fun to farm them for builds. Diablo is the only one that makes legendaries almost useless and unfun now.
1:37:49 I agree as well Blizzard should add a 3rd difficulty for the level range of 1-50. Since no exact numbers were given maybe have Enemies even more challenging making it the exact same as veteran but scale stuff as if you were a level or two higher.
@@Bioshyn just like it was in d3 at least on console you couldn't move your skill to that slot until you have unlock a skill in that slot well at least that is how I remember it being I might be wrong though haven't d3 in a long time
I mean for the hydra issue, they could make it alow you to summon an additional hydra per 5 levels. Make that Unique affix Add 1 additional hydra head per Hydra. This then will not instantly double its damage, but will still make it very worth while.
@24:03 "Get a job losers so you can afford to give Blizzard more money!" Love the evolution of Asmongold. Used to rail against Store Mounts, but now he berates his viewers for being too poor to afford them.
The only UI criticism I have for D4 is that I wish the icons on the mini-map were color-coated. For example, I wish the healer was red, the smith was gray, the stable was brown - that sort of thing. Having white icons on a beige map is not very visible imo.
The inventory is sluggish and requires you to scroll. You only get 6 hotkeys. The ability icons look too similar. World-map is a horrible mess of tiny icons that all have the same color and no actual detail. There's an endless list of UI issues
I can't remember if I tested my controllers analogue buttons, but if they have no assigned actions already, you could easily put your ultimate ability on the R3 click, etc. It's not difficult. I agree with Quin. Should add an extra slot for your ultimate.
I didn't test the R3 thing at least purposefully but by just making the directional dodge roll tied to the right analog stick frees up a button for whatever
I've been blowing through Season 27 on D3... started playing two weeks ago or so... running T11. I'm really enjoying it. Kind of disappointed that I started so late on this game honestly
Even in first world with good economy, I do believe that it's not really the "revaluate your life" but can be not the best of the time for you to play the game. Know where you are in life, maybe make some consessions if possible and just have fun. Maybe play a little bit later, maybe don't play at all or maybe just buy it and have fun. But know where you are, it's an expensive game and if it will cause more bad then good, then don't
Asmon is completely misjudging or does not care for the argument the users make. It's not about someone not finding that amount of money under their sofa. It's the argument that actually 1$=1hr game time is probably tremendously overprized with a customer base of many million people (compared to 20yrs ago). I bet Blizzard could charge 1ct=1hr and still would profit more than you get. Gaming industry isn't without reason the most profitable entertainment media, because people like amson talk gamers into letting publishers milk them.
I plan to not pay more than 20$ and can wait 4-6 months (when the game is patched up, all in-game shop schemes are disclosed and the game is actually ready for release). In hindsight the last 20yrs there was no reason to ever pay more than 45$ even at release (at least I didn't). And games have become less valuable since then.
I don't need to re-evaluate my life, I just wait until a game goes on a good sale. This is what I've always done except for the Lightfall expansion. BIG fuck up there.
nah the take is fine. If you can afford spending 70$ for entertainment purposes which will most likely provide you fun for multiple days/weeks/months - just do it lmao, simple concept, that's about average pricetag for AAA games atm. If you feel like the game won't bring you as much fun, don't buy the game. In that scenario however you would not play the game for long even if it was f2p. If you want to compare d4 to POE you're just dumb. POE still to this day does not look even remotely as good as D4 does, that also includes every line being voice acted/great cutscenes/great music etc etc etc. This is legit AAA game from every perspective. POE on the other hand, F2P game, sure, was absolute terrible trash when it launched first, still looks awful to the vast majority of people (do not even try to argue that, i get that people who're playing POE are fine with how it looks, that's why they still play it), has bad optimization etc. And also all my friends who played POE did microtransactions despite them being quite poor and the game being F2P, just cuz POE microtransactions provide actual quality of life improvement. The money/time invested into developing d4 can't be compared to POE. That's why one game has 70$ pricetag, other one depends on microtransactions which try to seem not predatory. That does not mean POE is not a good game tho, it is, but it's not AAA product. D4 is AAA product on other hand, however we don't rly know yet if it's gonna be a good AAA product. So to sum it up: i don't see how that take is somehow bad, people spend different amounts of money for entertainment purposes, the limits are those you set by yourself. If you're not poor i literally do not see how 70$ for hunders of hours of entertainment exceeds your set limits, that just sounds absurd to me. It also is not like the 70$ pricetag is somehow unfair given the avg market price for AAA products nowadays. People literally spend that amount of money for some good alcohol in one day for short-term entertainment which also is harmful to your health in long-term perspective. In which world 70$ is not fine for AAA game with that potential for it becoming hundreds of hours of fun? It also is not like they did some false marketing like it happened with Cyberpunk/No man's sky etc. They literally had open free beta where literally everyone could see if the game looks fine for them or not to decide if they're willing to invest.
Umm... I hear this a lot about the need for a tool tip on the buff for the skellies, but the truth is there already IS one. When you buff/heal the skellies there is a green bar on the summon icon that will keep track of the six second duration for you. When it runs out, just reapply. It's quick and simple, so I can see how some people missed it, but it's exactly because it's simple that I like it. I DO NOT want a zillion additional effects on my screen to keep track of through the haze of existing special effects and enemies attack clues. Bad enough that I had to stop using the dark corpse explosion because it obscured everything during fights.
Oh look, two millionaires who doesnt care about microtransactions and a cocky Asmon who say people who doesnt want to pay 70-90 for a game is loser and need to revalute their life.
Let me get this straight.. the point of micro transactions is that the content will be free but the fucking content will still be paid for? (Expansion) than what is the point? The player isn’t getting nothing from having micro transactions at all
I might be late to the party, but on the topic of the complexity of itemization: I think the "spreadsheet" itermization type that hardcores like is absolutely compatible with casual players. All it takes is to have item sets. They did it very poorly in D3, but if sets are what they need to be, aka. less optimized versions of specific builds, then it's completely fine. Basically I'd like to see white/blue/green sets, to give some early side effect bonuses and break the "up arrow" alienation that is the early game... Later on, it's 100% ok to have cosmetic sets, with some small added bonuses that are in fact just the poorman version of legendaries (not to mention sacred+ items). (oh and sets should never be class locked of course...)
The monetization WILL affect the gameplay. By season 2 they will lock uniques and legendaries behind a paywall. Sad pay to win games are being supported by streamers now.
To be fair, it is crazy that POE is about as high quality as any diablo game, is free to play with primarily cosmetics in the shop, and they constantly provide additional content for the game. Just goes to show that is possible, and that the entertainment value per dollar spent is infinitely higher than diablo. The fact is that a game can be free, fair, AND profitable if it is good,. Difference is, this company is owned by shareholders and needs to be profitable enough for the shareholder class.
You will be annoyed by the UI when you have to look at 30 items every dungeon und it takes you an extra 2 minutes every time to watch em because the overlay doesnt come up right away
@@maxmustermann3938 Because it wasnt designed by a person that tried to think about what a good tooltip should look like ... all they cared about is looks/style ... never about functionality ... like you can clearly see it ... and it might even be the same person for both games XD
The solution to "required items" for a build is not removing those items, but having more items that are competitive with that item for the same build. For example: Gloves: Gives 1 additional head for hydra Gloves: Hydras instead fire a laser that penetrates through enemies Gloves: Hydras fire a magical orb that seeks out the nearest enemy and explodes into a fiery inferno Gloves: You hydra now has only one head but gains a full body of a hydra and becomes a permanent pet follower that can move. This way people have to choose. You would have to make it so the power can only be moved to glove items.
I really loved these engine - rendered cinematics in Starcraft 2. CGI was breathtaking as always, but these rendered story scenes and the half-rendered rooms were just the stuff dreams are made of. They got me hooked af. and was waiting to see more and more. I love it that they used this upgraded version here too.
This video actually made me refund the game. I was debating it for a while but he's right. At the price of 70 dollars, and the game not working with the memory leaks, it's better to refund that, than waste my time.
Its 70-90$ now yes, but they are hiding 2 "new" playable characters for 20$ each, and expansion for 40-60$ later on, and dont forget to subscribe to the battlepass! Just like D3, they took away the Necro class that was in Diaböp 2 and sold it back for money in D3
Smart man, game is going to flop hard. MrLlama is the only RUclipsr whose opinion I genuinely respect... Found this video by Quin and agreed with everything said but haven't watched any of his other vids...I like the guy. Asmondgold is intelligent but it doesn't seem like his opinions/commentary is honest at times. Like if that's your only source of income then why talk shit about it lol
@@shaquileoatmeal7365 Streamers about D4 are so dumb. I mean lets us look at D2, Act 1, max. Level 15. The Game plays sooooo bad. Constant out of Mana and Endurance. Only about 2 Skills.
@@shaquileoatmeal7365 You're out of your mind if you think D4 will flop. Maybe you have a different definition of flop as in people won't be playing it for thousands of hours or something, but in terms of sales, this game is going to sell like crazy.
Diablo not gonna flop thats for sure. On another hand,refunding is a smart move. Just wait out what happens with the game and NEVER EVER preorder any game ever!
Controller has major problems too; - All mobility skills are super short, teleport is like 2 dodge moves, - The plants tab, only happens on Mouse+keyboard, on controller goes automatic for the extensive stats tab, BUT you can't change items on controller while checking that stat tab, very problematic,
Last Epoch is the game - best itemization - craft legendary by merging unique item with exalted adding exalted item's affixes to the unique - High chance no 2 legendarys will be the same
The problem with the UI not showing all the statistics kind of annoyed me. Sure, I'm playing on console, but I play a lot of pc to console ports, and I really like the details they have. I'd be ok with them just putting the stats out in front, and not just some int/dex/str numbers. He had a few things that would be awesome for all versions.
Asmons plain defending of the "vision and design choices, its for casual players" makes me want to pull my hair out, why cant he see the reason so many ppl complain about that stuff? This is not a new IP blizzard improves upon, its an IP with over 20years of history and expectations. You wanna do a improved lost ark clone? Sure, invent a new name and let diablo die in peace. We are not the target audience? Thats the problem dude 😂
I also don't understand why Blizzard and Asmongold believe that zoomers would play Diablo. Today this is a game for 35-50 years old players, this isn't good or bad, this is just reality.
i ve been playing d2, d3 for quite a good portion of time. And diablo 4 so far meets my expectations for diablo game? Like literally. And also when you're saying "we" you should consider that you're not a majority part. Majority of players had fun in beta, got what they expected and, in fact, the majority of ppl who're gonna play diablo4 on launch never even played poe despite popular dellusion. And diablo 4 literally feels like a mix of d2 and d3 with some minor additions to the game which were taken from lost ark/poe. That's it, i have no idea what you expected from the game.
@@themagetone4184 thats fair enough obviously i dont speak for everybody that should be pretty clear, so bad choice of words. in my friend circle most are let down but we also dont like the way D3 went after release, and it seemed initially they want to go away from some design decisions D3 made. Its mostly the VERY casual design of every system lacking depth and the clear focus on consoles. i respect your opinion its just the defending of blizz from asmon that seems off, since he didnt do that for other "design choices" they made in their games, there he never said oh im not the target audience anymore so those decisions are fine
@@Fourside__ nah, the way d3 went in endgame after launch was terrible, but i mean, they literally made it a lot more deep than for d3 already, so i can't complain about it
I played the Beta on a Series X, and UI was pretty horrible. It was unintuitive and very difficult to navigate. Blizzard should've made a cursor so it feels like mouse navigation.
What about legendaries that instead of enhancing one singular skill, they gave an entire type of skills slight enhancements that’d be more powerful/unique depending on the amount of skill points you point into the individual skill of that type. Corpse skills are enhanced (not extra levels, but given special traits) and I’m building around corpse tendril, so that now would have special effects, a different AOE, etc, because I have 5 levels in it. One item wouldn’t make you suddenly stop using your build and respec to conform to its efficiency.
I'm surprised that both of them and even some of commend I see here have no idea, that no one knows there legendaries but higher tire in the game already in private test, dark gold, ancestral and holy. All of highter tire legendaries are not extractable, and they have completely change skill proformence aspects. All of what I say has video of some non-English speakers that record entire test and maxed level build of it. Not the unfinished one, its everything complete gtg version except nightmare thing.
when you buy the game, you have the game. Every microtransaction is cosmetics. You talk like it's pay to win or something. It is a fact that it is a live service. You do know how a live service works right in terms of business? Don't like the battlepass. Don't buy it. Don't like microtransaction. Don't buy any of the skin. Asmon knows this. You just don't, or just willfully ignorant. Also, I ain't buying this game for all the same reasons you dislike it. He'll poe2 is what I'm waiting for its free and it looks great too.
Nah he's said before he tried to fight the fight and he lost that fight. You'll always lose that fight because there are way too many idiots that buy MTX. Now he just lies firmly in the "I don't care as long as it doesn't ruin my experience" boat which is the best stance you can honestly take.
I used level 8 boots for ao long because they had the increased movement speed when you evade. Because i found it more useful than anything else. You have to play your style and your needs
For FF14 if your using controller you can set every action to your buttons. With guide help you can have 128 buttons set to your controller. But I suck at controller so I just plug in my M&K to my ps5.
I feel the game designers in Blizzard have not played any games but Blizzard games, they never take good ideas from other games and seem clueless to them. Which is too bad.
I opted nit to even waste a skill point on an ultimate I'm the 3 builds I hit 25 on during the beta. It wasn't worth giving up the other abilities. I wish instead we could assign as many as we want and it is on you to have the points to spend or the skill to use them all.
D4 is a full price game with f2p monetization aswell. It might not be as bad as Immortal but it's still a joke. You're going to be running around town with a tin pot on your head even though you've paid for the 'entire game' if you don't pay extra for any good looking armor.
As a semi-casual console player, I absolutely love what I played in the D4 beta. To keep myself busy after the beta until launch, I tried getting into PoE for the first time. I understand it's hard to get into a game at this point that has evolved over several seasons and years, but I found it waaay too complex for my liking. Just too much to get into, especially on console. I can see where diehard PC players would have their issues with D4, but I personally appreciate a D4 game that was designed for the more casual gamer in mind.
i suspect that in time diablo 4 will become poe reaper. I could see blizz taking the boil the frog route/strategy and introduce more and more complex systems over the time and make casuals like you and me to enjoy more complexity. I hope so
Yeah I consider myself a pretty Hardcore PC gamer and even for me POE is too much. I take one look at the skill tree and itemization systems, and I'm already quitting to desktop. That shit is just not fun for me.
Personally I think that's less because d4s system isn't boring. But rather because poes system is too busy sniffing it's own farts to even consider accessibility. With so many different convoluted factors that you'll spend atleast three times more time with poe theory crafting and doing research, than playing the game let alone doing actual combat. However when you compare d4 itemization and builds vs games that actually do it right. Like path of diablo diablo 2 mod. To balance the game. Or like last epoch. Which has plenty of issues as it's in early access. But itemization and building isn't one of them. Then it's more of a good comparison in my mind. It's like saying I like d4s itemization because it isn't d3s. Well anything is better than d3s. And the only way in hell you'll like poes CURRENT (not 4 years ago) systems is if literally all you care about is complexity. And the more of it the better no matter what, THEN it's good. Otherwise it isn't
Hello, I agree with a lot that have been said by Quin and Asmongold but WSAD seem's really off to me because you need your left hand to cast your skills at anytime and still be abble to move out of danger while doing so. WSAD could have worked in D2 where you only had left and right mouse clic buttons to cast your abilities but not in modern ARPG (That might be only me but I personally use WSAD for my skills instead of 1234). That's my take on that matter anyway and I think that having force move on the thumb mouse button is working like a charm for me. I would argue aswell that when it comes to the cosmetic part Blizzard showed some screenshot of the gear you can have both with and without paying and as far as I can tell it's a matter of taste but you can have some pretty badass gear without putting any $ in the cosmetics. Thank you for your feedback
they could do the level scalling like it is in Division game, you have to finish the whole story to get the whole map updated to your level, so till you end the main story, weak area still weak.
26:10 so true. Got my $60 (plus whatever for reaper of souls) worth playing D3 off and on for the last 11 years. I had no hesitation spending $100 if it can give me that much bang for my buck again. Even if it doesn't my D3 time spent recovers any value I feel cheated out of.
@@brettweir9050 Same here, just some of their comments seem off without that context. I was a big fan of Marvel Heroes Omega and D4 has similarish vibes to it.
They could have a different UI for console and PC. Larian did it with Divinity, why don't Blizzard ? Laziness? Incompetence? Because it isn't lack of resources
1:33:30 Kinda janky but you could create a force move with some skills that wouldnt cast properly. eg. I put camoflage on left click which worked as force move
@@shaquileoatmeal7365 someone didn't get the joke... OP is just saying that Asmon is repeating almost everything Quinn says like you usually do when translating someone .
I just figured it out after hearing the diablo immortal monetization hype again. They were conditioning us to value legendary gems above all else so when we hit diablo 4 endgame and the real world trading, we sell those legendary gems for pretty pennies. Like all the items in the beta were fucky on whats tradeable and whats not, but i almost guarantee it theres gonna be no restrictions on gems and they are gonna be broken and sold for crazy prices
Legendary items are sometimes worse than sacred rares because they're more expensive to modify and upgrade and you can't choose what legendary affix you put on it.
WASD is bad because you can only move in 4 directions. If you want WASD, it's better to use a stick on a controller which gives you 360 degree movement. If not, then mouse movement is better.
Blues should work like D2 where the affixes can roll higher than rares or legendaries. You can go after the biggest unga-bunga blue with enhanced damage and make a build with it.
Itemization in D2 was so much better. You had endless opportunities to swap certain items and make really interesting builds using non-obvious gear. Yes there was definitely bis gear but a lot of times you could have a near bis character with different gear that can work for multiple classes. The idea that they cannot build a complex itemization scheme is bogus because they've done it before.
You keep forgetting the "they" worked on d2 and the people working on d4 are not the same people so technically they haven't. I wish the same people worked on d4 but it's a completely different company and it's an embarrassment
The dollar per hour value system is just one way for the individual to justify a purchase. Its not an objective metric of tangible value. You would not play a free to play game for any amount of time and say "because i got x hours of entertainment i got my money worth." According to the dollar per hour valuation system, if an individual buys D4 on sale for 40 dollars and they spend 70hrs in game does that mean their purchase is more valuable than the person who spent 70 and played 70hrs? It does not. Because the price paid is still the price paid and the hours of entertainment is still the same hours of entertainment. Dollar per hour valuation is mental gymnastics to cope with the purchase cost. The cost of videogames is purely arbitrary set by a publisher because their buisness deparment has the metrics to support the game will sell at X price. Simple As.
The problem he has with thr ui yku could be that he isn't used to it and it isn't like the ui of other games and his idea for the legendaries aspects is stupid because it means less choices for the players instead of each channeling skills have it own powers every would just be picking the best channeling powers it will kinda be like the support gems in poe where every channeling skill picks infuse has an example And they have already said there is a pinnacle boss that you can fight ar lvl 100 plus some time of Uber mob guardian some chest in helltide
Sea of Thieves has a Customization model as their motivator. Years ago, they promised that the shop sets wouldnt outweigh the in-game rewards. Now all they push is Emporium (store) items and give a re-color of an old clothing set for the 100th time to work toward. Also ship cosmetics are almost enitrely in the shop. I get that the game needs money to survive, but there needs to be a balance.
1:54:50 - For whatever reason, this part of the video reminded me of titles in WoW, and my favorite one - ", Slayer of Stupid, Incompetent and Disappointing Minions"
6:11 That's a weird take, in D2 you can see all the trees skills and read all you want about whirlwind or frozen orb but it's not until you actually hit 35+ that you can actually see and feel the absolute awesomeness of those skills, so this idea that you can determine how good a game is when you are only lvl 25 is kinda BS if you ask me.
you know what really me dislike the itemization? honestly the issues isn't even what people are saying, is the fact that they said blues will have better stats than rares. Like... okay wtf does that have to do with anything when no one will ever even use it even if they have better stats than rares when you can put legndary aspect onto rares and make them great. I prefer them to do something to this too where you can somehow turning blue into rares which compete the items you can personally create or at least have some of the "all items are any rarity have values" statment they said when they announced the game.
1:00:53 "Diablo 4 is being made for a casual audience" and it's working!! I played the closed beta on my pc, loved it and thought "my wife might actually like this" so during open beta I asked her to play with me on her Xbox, using my birthday as leverage lol. she was hesitant at first but within the first hour of us playing together on the couch she was in love!! I can count all the games she enjoys playing on one hand, 1. the sims 2. rocket league 3. red dead 2 (because she can have a horse) 4. Halo infinite 5. Diablo 4 and guess what? everything else is boring now all she wants to play is D4, Blizzards plan is working, too well in fact, two preorders one household😅 ouch but I'm looking forward to playing a game we both can enjoy!!
@@shaquileoatmeal7365 good question, hopefully it'll be the gift that keeps on giving. she's the monogamer type, she's been playing fiesta on halo for the past year so who knows maybe she'll never stop playing lol, Between just playing the game and showing her the ropes when it comes to making a build, I could see myself easily putting 300 plus hours into it, I put 40 in just during the two beta weekends.
about level scaling. Nice to have "challenge" in starting locations? But what if you get lucky drop legendary which increase dps of your character by 100? Double hydra? "Challenge" killed. So we need ITEM SCALING. How about that? Get +1 hydra staff? => monsters have 2x hp. This is next level design, take notes blizz
The interface takes into account couch co-op on console, which either player can open there inventory screen. Each player has half the screen. It works ridiculously well. The whole co-op experience is really awesome. But that’s probably why the UI looks so bad on PC.
I'd like to see them get rid of the affixes that dont key into the class systems and double down on affixes that interact with lucky hit, overpower, fortify, etc.
Asmon being a true OG and helping his buddy explain things better - plus Quin gets a little deep and it doesn’t help he’s thick in accent . No shade at all. Cool dude most of the time. However big W for our Big D energy king himself.🤙🏻🌀
You could find an option in the "emote" wheel (E). Another way is open the map with TAB and click the entrance of the dungeon and it teleports you to the outside just where the entrance is. Or simply open the map select the entire area and use a teleport to any that you have already opened. I've noticed that on some dungeons (those in the main quest I believe) didn't have the option in the wheel available though.
goal of itemization is designed for casual players is incorrect, and the way you know it's incorrect is the big green up arrow regularly reduces your damage. Not sure why asmon got stuck on this failed argument.
People flipping out about a $10 increase in game price have to have an average age range of 13 and 20. Snes games were generally $50-$60 at release, which equates to over $100 now with inflation, for games that have 10 hours of content, or less.
Holy shit what is it with asmon aggressive shilling for this game? Most criticism is brushed off as fine. With such approach you just defend the corp greediness and laziness. Not cool.
At some point Asmon needs to acknowledge that blizzard had been so egregiously ass backwards as both people and a company that he shouldn't be shocked at all that some people feel utterly gaslit beyond reason. And for most they need to look no further than Diablo Immortal. Shelling out money just to be gaslit once again would be infuriating. So no shit they want them to sign in triplicate when they ask them to say explicitly that it won't be pay to win
sometimes i wonder if Asmon is too much of a fanboy for Blizzard, or they are just plain paying him up through paypal xd he cant be honest with the lvl of coping there days
@@gonzalocornejo9267 I'm sure it's there under the surface, and he hasn't write realized it. Under normal circumstances I would actually agree with him, but this is a case of a company who's reputation for exploitation and bad management practices have gone so far beyond the pale, it's really hard to trust just negate they said so. They are not people who you can blindly take at their word, no matter how many times you force them to say it. It's not been long enough for them to show any level of reform that would cause someone to reevaluate how they view them as a company, and I think for many of us, D4 is now their litmus test. Will they stick to their word? Will they deliver exactly what they promised? Or will they prove once again, they care more about money than their own integrity?
Can't wait for Quins 4 hour reaction to this video
And then asmond's 5 hour reaction
Made my day❤😂
Dont forget that he will disagree with himself too
Only 4? 😂😂
f(x) = k*(2^x)
"if you go under a bridge in Austin, TX , you'll find the Necromancer" lmaaao ... i can confirm
to quote someone male to female trans give the best head
idk dude I really disagree about itemization. Quin had a great point that instead of saying Whirlwind does X, they can say channeling skills, which would work for probably every single class in some way. FUN and DEEP itemization doesn't need to be PoE level complexity. General power bonuses > specific power bonuses. It literally wouldn't do a difference to casual players but would make the world and open up SO MANY more builds for the more hardcore audience.
nah changing whirlwind does X to channeling, would create problems for balance as different skills have different bonuses and scale different. asmon is right its better to start simple, balance everything from there, after that they can add to the itemization in seasons
I think the worst part of D4 is the itemization.
I switched back to D2R during open Beta... It was that boring
They already went to the trouble to make tags for skills, not using that in itemisation is just a waste. It's like they started making a good thing and gave up and went with the old d3 boring itemization.
@@shaquileoatmeal7365 funny d2 devs planned D4 for d3 before Blizzard North disbanded. Lmao d2 fanboys don't even realize their idols were going in D4 direction all those years ago.
Only Asmon will have a take like “I don’t care about the shop because it doesn’t affect me” and then segway right into “the UI doesn’t bother me because it’s good for console players”
Sadly his take on so many gaming related things for a few years now has just boiled down to "lol who cares". Like, ok you don't care what an interesting and engaging thing to say to add to discourse. What a reaction.
Who cares. Don’t play it.
@@AndvarYT who cares
glad the only thing people think anymore is who cares
Asmon is delusional about many things, just like the whole "evaluate your life if 70 dollars for a video game is a big deal" the fact he has the balls to say that when he makes hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and has entirely Forgotten what its like to be an Average working class person is insane. 70 dollars for A lot of working class is almost equal to an entire work day worth of money.
The issue with the itemization is not the lack of complexity, it's that it's boring for casual players and hardcore players alike with all the distant enemies/healthy enemies/nearby enemies stuff that has no resonance. Who's going to try and figure out how to optimize that if they're casual. Whereas if it said 40% increased fire damage, and they use a fire skill, well goddamn, that's an upgrade, let's equip that! The itemization in D4 is sorta like Ziz's critique of the respec system not working for casual players in a game designed to be accessible. Having more illustrative and topdown itemization with plus stats, plus crit chance, plus % damage to specific elements, plus critical hit damage, all that stuff is easy to understand for people who've played any video games at all.
You don't have to figure out how to optimize if you are casual. If you are casual you are not going to care about any of that stuff. Want to know why? Because I am casual. I did the same thing with Diablo 3. Just killed a lot of enemies while listening to music or a podcast I was catching up on. Gave 2 shits about any of the math. Just did what I felt was right or what I thought was interesting. Ziz is wrong there in thinking any of that is what a casual player cares about. He really needs to understand what the word casual means.
@@PowerNGlory if you don’t care about gear then why play it? Was it even fun?
@@ZeroHxC07 for some people game play is more important than gear.
The could just replace that Nearby/Distant stuff with the classic Light Radius, and make it a pretty good Affix.
I consider myself a casual. I have not played the beta to the fullest extent ( like lvl 11 i think). But the fact i went from a 40 dmg shortbow to a 130 dmg rare crossbow and it felt like it made almost no difference of overall dmg was like a big let off. Why does scaling even exist at that point? Why does dmg even need to display on items if its not going to matter whatsoever?
I understand that the extra stats and bonuses are just as important, but at least give me sense of upgrade when the next weapon i pickup displays more dmg than the current weapon i have.
Ive played diablo 3 and other arpg's for a bit and even there you felt the upgrade of dmg of the next better weapon you found, even when its going from a common weapon to a another common weapon.
There actually were naked corpses impaled on spikes though. If you did the Dungeon in Nestrava after completing the Stronghold, there were even naked corpses chained up throughout the dungeon.
Well damn, it's max grit after all
It just goes to show that people like to complain just to complain without actually paying attention or checking out things
@@maxmustermann3938 Bit of a guess ofc but the way you describe it sounds like you are into her and you are being friendzoned. If true: Stop simping; in fact: if not true stop simping just aswell.
@Droopy Beagle yeah his ENTIRE itemization and UI segment was just endless bitching lol
@@joethesheep4675 how did you get all that from some guy just streaming to his co-worker?
Ok i adjusted the game price for inflation, but also adjusted for the amount of copies sold and and the distribution cost of not shipping a physical copy. You can't justify game costs by just looking at inflation and costs to make the game, the amount of games sold and cutting out physical distribution should offset game prices.
Without numbers to back up the inflation/games cost more to make , the statement is meaningless. I see it as another way to push the boundary, testing the limits of what people let companies get away with.
Every time the inflation argument is brought up the amount of units sold and increased efficiency in distribution is left out. But remember apparently you're a loser if you disagree.
Nah bro you just have to reevaluate your life
Right. Games getting cheaper not more expensive. That's how techology works in our world before a product gets replaced by a better one. Then the price goes up again until the item is gone for good.
I wouldnt be surprised If Blizzard charges +100% of what it actually cost them to produce the game. But asmongold sees a two digits number and thinks it must be worth it, apparantly.
“Just reevaluate your life “
Assmond, the corpo andy
Bro you are trying to correct a dude who makes a living by sitting in a room in his moms house and plays video games all day. asmond is a smart dude and hes usually on point with stuff but at the end of the day he isn't very educated or has enough life experience to hold a reasonable opinion about stuff like that. You dont know what you dont know. He's just a stoner who argues with people on the internet all day...
The way Asmongold's perspective on microtransactions has shifted of the years, it makes me think he is developing a game or invested in a gaming studio.
Microtransactions will NEVER go away, so what you have to hope for now is that it's not pay to win.
All of his takes on Diablo 4 are absolutely terrible lol. Dudes defending micro transactions. Defending the game being made for Console and ported to PC. Defending the game being targeted at super casuals. Defending horrible itemization and saying it's not designed to play for thousands of hours. Says the difficulty is great where it is. Says dungeons won’t be an issue. Says scaling won’t be an issue. He thinks resistances are stupid? This dude literally has no clue what he's talking about and if he does he is just shilling at this point.
Like how are you going to act like them turning Diablo 4 into a Casual Console game isn't worse than what they did with Diablo Immortal?
@@bartonfile6569 You don't even know what endgame will be like man, how can you even have a remotely accurate and educated opinion of what it'll be like ? Stop being a negative Nancy, just play the game and leave if you don't like it in the end.
@@bartonfile6569 a casual console game is 100% better in every way than a pay-to-win mobile game. His whole point is that if you don't want the casual console game, you can just go play PoE, which will always be better for the hardcore gamers
@@Razsac dude Diablo Immortal was a phone game. Anyone who thought it wasn’t going to be pay to win is clueless. When we heard DI announced we were upset they targeted a PC crowd with a P2W Mobile game. Atleast we knew it was a spin-off though. Now no one seems to be upset they targeted a PC Crowd with a Casual Dumbed Down Console new “Diablo”.
If they wanted to go this route they should have just made a new franchise instead of ripping off the one we all breathed life into.
Asmon really bends over backwards to give Blizzard a fair chance, when in reality they've long since lost the right to them. Of course this is going to be monetized beyond cosmetics, it doesn't take a genius to guess the trajectory of a blizzard live service game.
it is probably fair to assume that it won't include anyhting beyond cosmetics the first few seasons, but as soon as game sales and player numbers drop they will likely trickle in more aggressive monetisation. Also wouldn't be suprised if new classes need to be bought seperately and if they put them at the end of the battlepass so they can claim you can get it for free if you grind for 2 months to get it, which they actually already do in OW2 with new heroes, so it is not even far fetched.
Sounds like you need to re-evaluate your life if you don't want to spend 70 dollars to get microtransaction adds shoved down your throat lmao.
I think the legendary effects could be done in a better way then what we saw for sure. Adding massive dmg increases feels rly cheap and "forces" you to play something u might not even want to play just cus thats the items u got from the game. If I make a barb and I hate to play bleed builds but I end up finding something that makes my bleed deal 100% more dmg I feel forced to play that even if I hate it just cus its gonna be so much better then all my other options. BUT i think it can still be done in a way so u feel tempted/interested to try out new things, lets say i play light sorc and i find a item that say "every 3rd hydra cast will become free of cost" that might be enough to make me want to experiment with that skill cus it sounds nice but not forced.
Up arrow doesn't just directly translate to more dps. All it signifies is higher item level. It's up to you to look at stats.
True, but up items with higher arbitrary item level with worse stats still do more damage, ect.
@@Jackex LOL no... That's not how that works. The stats are all that matters. Item level is just what determines roll chances for stats. For a figurative example: A ring with iLvl 50 could have something like anywhere between 2%-10% cold damage increase. But a iLvl 70 could probably have something like 3%-15% cold damage increase. So sure the higher level ring has a better chance at getting a better roll, but a item with lower item level could still roll decent. You might get really lucky with that first ring at lvl 50 and it has the max +10% cold dmg, but then every ring you find after, despite being a higher level, just rolls like +9% or lower because you didn't get as lucky when it rolled. So iLVL does not = dmg, it just means a better chance at higher rolls for stats on the item.
@@AlmostProGaming least delusional diablo 4 shill
@@pyllyvanukas how is he a diablo 4 shill? what he said makes sense to me....its not like FF where higher iLvl directly means increased stats. If i didnt happen to read this comment, i definitely wouldve been there with (using his example) the ilvl70 ring with +9%cold damage, while having a iLvl 50 ring with +10% cold damage in my inventory, and i will CONSTANTLY question myself, like "man...this thing literally says +10%...but its lower ilvl..." and would probably do a bunch of dps tests and then still question if its actually a worse ring even tho its 20 ilvls higher lol...
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The thing about making cosmetics the main monetization method, i feel like part of the fun of a game and looting new armor is getting a new armor that looks cool, and then on to the next one. If you buy a cosmetic in D4, what is the interest in getting another new one if you spent the money on one already? When the cosmetics had no monetary value, you feel more inclined to replace the piece with something new and better looking. Realistically if you have one character, are you going to be reusing old purchases much? Or is it just drain money? Idk, people are going to play and accept it no matter what but my perspective is that cosmetics are not interactive at all. I'm starting to just have no hope for live service in video games. We squeezed the toothpaste from the bottle and it's not going back in, I'll happily stick with my offline-singleplayer experiences until they are no longer being developed. I've been enjoying Elden ring and I might just replay that and try new builds. And JRPG galore, need to get back into Persona 5. I was a late bloomer on those. I'm kind of glad I have hobbies outside of gaming too. My favorite online games are competitive shooters and these games are more store than they are game at this point, so my mileage has diminished greatly. And I guess I'm just not interested in complaining anymore, I'm just not giving it anymore of my energy, I'm just not willing to give in to the monetization practices, full stop.
the armour looked like potato sacks, I am sure there will be some okay legendary and sets, but they are going to look bad by comparison. This is the only reason why we have this form of multiplayer instead of D3, so you can run into randos and be struck in awe by how good a spender looks and be motivated to not look like a hobo. Knowing the gaming industry, they will likely push spenders into groups with non-spenders just to reinforce how bad the non-spenders look.
Agreed but Ive never bothered with them so they have no effect on me specifically.
Asmongold on some kush lately with the that 70$ game + 3 other monetizations are okay for single player game with some multiplayer elements.
Asmon's logic here for the $70 price point is a little scary. If it's okay to spend $70 on a game you put 70 hours into, is it fine for them to charge $200 for a game you put 200 hours into? What about horror games, are they not worth $60 because they are 8-10 hours long? The truth is this, companies are seeing unprecedented PROFITS due to microtransactions. There is no actual need for them to increase the price to $70 since they're making more PROFIT than ever even with inflation and the cost to make games going up.
Thank you for that elite intro to this streamer.
Everyone's got this take that legendries are too build defining, as if the codex of power doesn't exist, and even while leveling, you'll have infinite access to ALL of your builds legendries just by going to the specific dungeons.
The beta was limited to one act, and because of that was limited to the dungeons of said act and the codex powers they awarded, that's not going to be the case in the real game, you'll be able to go to every zone and unlock every codex power before even being max level, so you'll never not have your ideal build baseline.
You don't have to unlock each act to go the respective areas.
Poe and LE don't use a ton of Legendaries dropping which makes end game more unique and fun to farm them for builds. Diablo is the only one that makes legendaries almost useless and unfun now.
1:37:49 I agree as well Blizzard should add a 3rd difficulty for the level range of 1-50. Since no exact numbers were given maybe have Enemies even more challenging making it the exact same as veteran but scale stuff as if you were a level or two higher.
Out of all reviews and feedback that came out from all sources, Quin did it the best. Great feedback, great ideas, great takes. Great job, really.
You actually can rearrange skills but you have to open the skill tree first. Then you can rearrange the skills on the toolbar at the bottom.
@@Bioshyn just like it was in d3 at least on console you couldn't move your skill to that slot until you have unlock a skill in that slot well at least that is how I remember it being I might be wrong though haven't d3 in a long time
I mean for the hydra issue, they could make it alow you to summon an additional hydra per 5 levels. Make that Unique affix Add 1 additional hydra head per Hydra. This then will not instantly double its damage, but will still make it very worth while.
@24:03 "Get a job losers so you can afford to give Blizzard more money!" Love the evolution of Asmongold. Used to rail against Store Mounts, but now he berates his viewers for being too poor to afford them.
Who would have thought his final form would be that of a corpo andy…
"D4 is doing something new."
LMAO. good one!
Battlepasses, seasonal things and mmo elements. So it`s doing something worse huh
new players leave, because this game is broken for crafting, stupid item stats and more.
The only UI criticism I have for D4 is that I wish the icons on the mini-map were color-coated. For example, I wish the healer was red, the smith was gray, the stable was brown - that sort of thing. Having white icons on a beige map is not very visible imo.
The inventory is sluggish and requires you to scroll.
You only get 6 hotkeys.
The ability icons look too similar. World-map is a horrible mess of tiny icons that all have the same color and no actual detail.
There's an endless list of UI issues
@@Lean_Dad 1 guy complains - "it is only your problem". Multiple guys complain - "regurgitating". A convenient way to deflect any criticism.
I can't remember if I tested my controllers analogue buttons, but if they have no assigned actions already, you could easily put your ultimate ability on the R3 click, etc. It's not difficult. I agree with Quin. Should add an extra slot for your ultimate.
I didn't test the R3 thing at least purposefully but by just making the directional dodge roll tied to the right analog stick frees up a button for whatever
@@PutridPenguinPoots Yeah that as well. I'm really not a fan of dodge rolling with the circle button. Preferred it like you said, like in D3.
I've been blowing through Season 27 on D3... started playing two weeks ago or so... running T11. I'm really enjoying it. Kind of disappointed that I started so late on this game honestly
Even in first world with good economy, I do believe that it's not really the "revaluate your life" but can be not the best of the time for you to play the game. Know where you are in life, maybe make some consessions if possible and just have fun. Maybe play a little bit later, maybe don't play at all or maybe just buy it and have fun. But know where you are, it's an expensive game and if it will cause more bad then good, then don't
Asmon is completely misjudging or does not care for the argument the users make.
It's not about someone not finding that amount of money under their sofa.
It's the argument that actually 1$=1hr game time is probably tremendously overprized with a customer base of many million people (compared to 20yrs ago). I bet Blizzard could charge 1ct=1hr and still would profit more than you get.
Gaming industry isn't without reason the most profitable entertainment media, because people like amson talk gamers into letting publishers milk them.
@@FalkFlak If its just 70 usd and thats it its fine but this is blizzard get ready for 70 usd expansion every year or every other year
I plan to not pay more than 20$ and can wait 4-6 months (when the game is patched up, all in-game shop schemes are disclosed and the game is actually ready for release).
In hindsight the last 20yrs there was no reason to ever pay more than 45$ even at release (at least I didn't). And games have become less valuable since then.
@@FalkFlak just sounds like you’re poor
that's the conclusion you draw from the information you have so far?
ok.
I don't need to re-evaluate my life, I just wait until a game goes on a good sale. This is what I've always done except for the Lightfall expansion. BIG fuck up there.
25:25 "stop being poor"
And no, I'm not poor, quite the opposite, but it's a bad take.
i commented the same momment from the video xD, that take was the most retarded backward sh1t ever .-.
Well he’s a corpo andy now
nah the take is fine. If you can afford spending 70$ for entertainment purposes which will most likely provide you fun for multiple days/weeks/months - just do it lmao, simple concept, that's about average pricetag for AAA games atm. If you feel like the game won't bring you as much fun, don't buy the game. In that scenario however you would not play the game for long even if it was f2p. If you want to compare d4 to POE you're just dumb. POE still to this day does not look even remotely as good as D4 does, that also includes every line being voice acted/great cutscenes/great music etc etc etc. This is legit AAA game from every perspective. POE on the other hand, F2P game, sure, was absolute terrible trash when it launched first, still looks awful to the vast majority of people (do not even try to argue that, i get that people who're playing POE are fine with how it looks, that's why they still play it), has bad optimization etc. And also all my friends who played POE did microtransactions despite them being quite poor and the game being F2P, just cuz POE microtransactions provide actual quality of life improvement. The money/time invested into developing d4 can't be compared to POE. That's why one game has 70$ pricetag, other one depends on microtransactions which try to seem not predatory. That does not mean POE is not a good game tho, it is, but it's not AAA product. D4 is AAA product on other hand, however we don't rly know yet if it's gonna be a good AAA product.
So to sum it up: i don't see how that take is somehow bad, people spend different amounts of money for entertainment purposes, the limits are those you set by yourself. If you're not poor i literally do not see how 70$ for hunders of hours of entertainment exceeds your set limits, that just sounds absurd to me. It also is not like the 70$ pricetag is somehow unfair given the avg market price for AAA products nowadays. People literally spend that amount of money for some good alcohol in one day for short-term entertainment which also is harmful to your health in long-term perspective. In which world 70$ is not fine for AAA game with that potential for it becoming hundreds of hours of fun? It also is not like they did some false marketing like it happened with Cyberpunk/No man's sky etc. They literally had open free beta where literally everyone could see if the game looks fine for them or not to decide if they're willing to invest.
@@themagetone4184 cool murican libtrd take.
@@themagetone4184 Wow, a text vomit consisting of half a brain cell. Lmao.
Umm... I hear this a lot about the need for a tool tip on the buff for the skellies, but the truth is there already IS one. When you buff/heal the skellies there is a green bar on the summon icon that will keep track of the six second duration for you. When it runs out, just reapply. It's quick and simple, so I can see how some people missed it, but it's exactly because it's simple that I like it. I DO NOT want a zillion additional effects on my screen to keep track of through the haze of existing special effects and enemies attack clues. Bad enough that I had to stop using the dark corpse explosion because it obscured everything during fights.
Oh look, two millionaires who doesnt care about microtransactions and a cocky Asmon who say people who doesnt want to pay 70-90 for a game is loser and need to revalute their life.
@@henrythegreatamerican8136 You don’t need to explain yourself bro, this is straight ass through and through.
😂😂😂😂 I'm (#×_×) ded XD you need to re watch the video 🤣
Here in Brazil, South America, 70 dollars is literally 28% of the minimum wage and 15% of average income per capita. Just for curiosity :D
Let me get this straight.. the point of micro transactions is that the content will be free but the fucking content will still be paid for? (Expansion) than what is the point? The player isn’t getting nothing from having micro transactions at all
Let fools be fools. They just consume product.
I might be late to the party, but on the topic of the complexity of itemization: I think the "spreadsheet" itermization type that hardcores like is absolutely compatible with casual players. All it takes is to have item sets. They did it very poorly in D3, but if sets are what they need to be, aka. less optimized versions of specific builds, then it's completely fine.
Basically I'd like to see white/blue/green sets, to give some early side effect bonuses and break the "up arrow" alienation that is the early game...
Later on, it's 100% ok to have cosmetic sets, with some small added bonuses that are in fact just the poorman version of legendaries (not to mention sacred+ items).
(oh and sets should never be class locked of course...)
The monetization WILL affect the gameplay. By season 2 they will lock uniques and legendaries behind a paywall. Sad pay to win games are being supported by streamers now.
To be fair, it is crazy that POE is about as high quality as any diablo game, is free to play with primarily cosmetics in the shop, and they constantly provide additional content for the game. Just goes to show that is possible, and that the entertainment value per dollar spent is infinitely higher than diablo. The fact is that a game can be free, fair, AND profitable if it is good,. Difference is, this company is owned by shareholders and needs to be profitable enough for the shareholder class.
I laughed so hard at "If you go under a bridge in Austin, Texas..." xD :D :D :D
You will be annoyed by the UI when you have to look at 30 items every dungeon und it takes you an extra 2 minutes every time to watch em because the overlay doesnt come up right away
@@maxmustermann3938 Because it wasnt designed by a person that tried to think about what a good tooltip should look like ... all they cared about is looks/style ... never about functionality ... like you can clearly see it ... and it might even be the same person for both games XD
The solution to "required items" for a build is not removing those items, but having more items that are competitive with that item for the same build. For example:
Gloves: Gives 1 additional head for hydra
Gloves: Hydras instead fire a laser that penetrates through enemies
Gloves: Hydras fire a magical orb that seeks out the nearest enemy and explodes into a fiery inferno
Gloves: You hydra now has only one head but gains a full body of a hydra and becomes a permanent pet follower that can move.
This way people have to choose. You would have to make it so the power can only be moved to glove items.
I really loved these engine - rendered cinematics in Starcraft 2. CGI was breathtaking as always, but these rendered story scenes and the half-rendered rooms were just the stuff dreams are made of. They got me hooked af. and was waiting to see more and more. I love it that they used this upgraded version here too.
Asmon's head checks in synch with the watch video. "Priceless" he is looking at Quinn's hair line in relation to his...doing the math. I LOVE IT!
This video actually made me refund the game. I was debating it for a while but he's right. At the price of 70 dollars, and the game not working with the memory leaks, it's better to refund that, than waste my time.
Its 70-90$ now yes, but they are hiding 2 "new" playable characters for 20$ each, and expansion for 40-60$ later on, and dont forget to subscribe to the battlepass!
Just like D3, they took away the Necro class that was in Diaböp 2 and sold it back for money in D3
Smart man, game is going to flop hard. MrLlama is the only RUclipsr whose opinion I genuinely respect... Found this video by Quin and agreed with everything said but haven't watched any of his other vids...I like the guy. Asmondgold is intelligent but it doesn't seem like his opinions/commentary is honest at times. Like if that's your only source of income then why talk shit about it lol
@@shaquileoatmeal7365 Streamers about D4 are so dumb. I mean lets us look at D2, Act 1, max. Level 15. The Game plays sooooo bad. Constant out of Mana and Endurance. Only about 2 Skills.
@@shaquileoatmeal7365 You're out of your mind if you think D4 will flop. Maybe you have a different definition of flop as in people won't be playing it for thousands of hours or something, but in terms of sales, this game is going to sell like crazy.
Diablo not gonna flop thats for sure. On another hand,refunding is a smart move. Just wait out what happens with the game and NEVER EVER preorder any game ever!
Controller has major problems too;
- All mobility skills are super short, teleport is like 2 dodge moves,
- The plants tab, only happens on Mouse+keyboard, on controller goes automatic for the extensive stats tab, BUT you can't change items on controller while checking that stat tab, very problematic,
Last Epoch is the game - best itemization - craft legendary by merging unique item with exalted adding exalted item's affixes to the unique - High chance no 2 legendarys will be the same
The problem with the UI not showing all the statistics kind of annoyed me. Sure, I'm playing on console, but I play a lot of pc to console ports, and I really like the details they have. I'd be ok with them just putting the stats out in front, and not just some int/dex/str numbers. He had a few things that would be awesome for all versions.
Asmons plain defending of the "vision and design choices, its for casual players" makes me want to pull my hair out, why cant he see the reason so many ppl complain about that stuff? This is not a new IP blizzard improves upon, its an IP with over 20years of history and expectations. You wanna do a improved lost ark clone? Sure, invent a new name and let diablo die in peace. We are not the target audience? Thats the problem dude 😂
I also don't understand why Blizzard and Asmongold believe that zoomers would play Diablo. Today this is a game for 35-50 years old players, this isn't good or bad, this is just reality.
i ve been playing d2, d3 for quite a good portion of time. And diablo 4 so far meets my expectations for diablo game? Like literally. And also when you're saying "we" you should consider that you're not a majority part. Majority of players had fun in beta, got what they expected and, in fact, the majority of ppl who're gonna play diablo4 on launch never even played poe despite popular dellusion. And diablo 4 literally feels like a mix of d2 and d3 with some minor additions to the game which were taken from lost ark/poe. That's it, i have no idea what you expected from the game.
@@themagetone4184 thats fair enough obviously i dont speak for everybody that should be pretty clear, so bad choice of words. in my friend circle most are let down but we also dont like the way D3 went after release, and it seemed initially they want to go away from some design decisions D3 made. Its mostly the VERY casual design of every system lacking depth and the clear focus on consoles. i respect your opinion its just the defending of blizz from asmon that seems off, since he didnt do that for other "design choices" they made in their games, there he never said oh im not the target audience anymore so those decisions are fine
@@Fourside__ nah, the way d3 went in endgame after launch was terrible, but i mean, they literally made it a lot more deep than for d3 already, so i can't complain about it
I played the Beta on a Series X, and UI was pretty horrible. It was unintuitive and very difficult to navigate. Blizzard should've made a cursor so it feels like mouse navigation.
What about legendaries that instead of enhancing one singular skill, they gave an entire type of skills slight enhancements that’d be more powerful/unique depending on the amount of skill points you point into the individual skill of that type.
Corpse skills are enhanced (not extra levels, but given special traits) and I’m building around corpse tendril, so that now would have special effects, a different AOE, etc, because I have 5 levels in it.
One item wouldn’t make you suddenly stop using your build and respec to conform to its efficiency.
I'm surprised that both of them and even some of commend I see here have no idea, that no one knows there legendaries but higher tire in the game already in private test, dark gold, ancestral and holy. All of highter tire legendaries are not extractable, and they have completely change skill proformence aspects. All of what I say has video of some non-English speakers that record entire test and maxed level build of it. Not the unfinished one, its everything complete gtg version except nightmare thing.
First weekend of play was rebinding everything to match poe, including moving the attacks down a row of keys and mapping some to my mouse.
How far we've come from the days of asmon calling Blizzard out for their microtransactions in WoW. Now he's joined the shills in D4.
Agree, it's freaky stupid. I want to buy the game not effectively rent one...
This is his final form.
when you buy the game, you have the game. Every microtransaction is cosmetics. You talk like it's pay to win or something. It is a fact that it is a live service. You do know how a live service works right in terms of business? Don't like the battlepass. Don't buy it. Don't like microtransaction. Don't buy any of the skin. Asmon knows this. You just don't, or just willfully ignorant. Also, I ain't buying this game for all the same reasons you dislike it. He'll poe2 is what I'm waiting for its free and it looks great too.
Nah he's said before he tried to fight the fight and he lost that fight. You'll always lose that fight because there are way too many idiots that buy MTX. Now he just lies firmly in the "I don't care as long as it doesn't ruin my experience" boat which is the best stance you can honestly take.
I prefer D4 being "you chose wether or not you want to do MTX" over Blizzard forcing a monthly sub on us all.
I used level 8 boots for ao long because they had the increased movement speed when you evade. Because i found it more useful than anything else. You have to play your style and your needs
Gotta love a nice concise review.
For FF14 if your using controller you can set every action to your buttons. With guide help you can have 128 buttons set to your controller. But I suck at controller so I just plug in my M&K to my ps5.
I feel the game designers in Blizzard have not played any games but Blizzard games, they never take good ideas from other games and seem clueless to them. Which is too bad.
Not true! They also played Tlou2!
I opted nit to even waste a skill point on an ultimate I'm the 3 builds I hit 25 on during the beta. It wasn't worth giving up the other abilities.
I wish instead we could assign as many as we want and it is on you to have the points to spend or the skill to use them all.
D4 is a full price game with f2p monetization aswell. It might not be as bad as Immortal but it's still a joke. You're going to be running around town with a tin pot on your head even though you've paid for the 'entire game' if you don't pay extra for any good looking armor.
As a semi-casual console player, I absolutely love what I played in the D4 beta. To keep myself busy after the beta until launch, I tried getting into PoE for the first time. I understand it's hard to get into a game at this point that has evolved over several seasons and years, but I found it waaay too complex for my liking. Just too much to get into, especially on console. I can see where diehard PC players would have their issues with D4, but I personally appreciate a D4 game that was designed for the more casual gamer in mind.
i suspect that in time diablo 4 will become poe reaper. I could see blizz taking the boil the frog route/strategy and introduce more and more complex systems over the time and make casuals like you and me to enjoy more complexity. I hope so
Yeah I consider myself a pretty Hardcore PC gamer and even for me POE is too much.
I take one look at the skill tree and itemization systems, and I'm already quitting to desktop. That shit is just not fun for me.
Personally I think that's less because d4s system isn't boring. But rather because poes system is too busy sniffing it's own farts to even consider accessibility. With so many different convoluted factors that you'll spend atleast three times more time with poe theory crafting and doing research, than playing the game let alone doing actual combat.
However when you compare d4 itemization and builds vs games that actually do it right. Like path of diablo diablo 2 mod. To balance the game. Or like last epoch. Which has plenty of issues as it's in early access. But itemization and building isn't one of them.
Then it's more of a good comparison in my mind.
It's like saying I like d4s itemization because it isn't d3s. Well anything is better than d3s. And the only way in hell you'll like poes CURRENT (not 4 years ago) systems is if literally all you care about is complexity. And the more of it the better no matter what, THEN it's good. Otherwise it isn't
Next up, devs react to Quin reacting to Asmon's reaction while Kripp reacts to devs. Diablo V: The Reaction Of Lilith.
Hello, I agree with a lot that have been said by Quin and Asmongold but WSAD seem's really off to me because you need your left hand to cast your skills at anytime and still be abble to move out of danger while doing so. WSAD could have worked in D2 where you only had left and right mouse clic buttons to cast your abilities but not in modern ARPG (That might be only me but I personally use WSAD for my skills instead of 1234). That's my take on that matter anyway and I think that having force move on the thumb mouse button is working like a charm for me. I would argue aswell that when it comes to the cosmetic part Blizzard showed some screenshot of the gear you can have both with and without paying and as far as I can tell it's a matter of taste but you can have some pretty badass gear without putting any $ in the cosmetics. Thank you for your feedback
Since you can map your skills to mouse buttons and D4 is not requiring you to use plenty of skills, it would actually be easier than WASD'ing in D2.
WASD is shit, go play battlerite and tell me it isn’t.
they could do the level scalling like it is in Division game, you have to finish the whole story to get the whole map updated to your level, so till you end the main story, weak area still weak.
26:10 so true. Got my $60 (plus whatever for reaper of souls) worth playing D3 off and on for the last 11 years. I had no hesitation spending $100 if it can give me that much bang for my buck again. Even if it doesn't my D3 time spent recovers any value I feel cheated out of.
I dont think Quin or Asmon really played D2 much at all.
Just saying their takes come from D3 and POE being their entry point.
@@brettweir9050 Same here, just some of their comments seem off without that context.
I was a big fan of Marvel Heroes Omega and D4 has similarish vibes to it.
40:00 the feature existed in Doom so way before the year 2000... WAY before. I agree
Asmongold totally missing the point with MTX in a fully priced game lol
MISSING?!?!?
They could have a different UI for console and PC. Larian did it with Divinity, why don't Blizzard ? Laziness? Incompetence? Because it isn't lack of resources
Thanks for covering this review!
1:33:30 Kinda janky but you could create a force move with some skills that wouldnt cast properly. eg. I put camoflage on left click which worked as force move
It's like Quin is talking in another language and Asmongold is translating what he's saying. 😂
Pretty easy to understand as is actually
@@shaquileoatmeal7365 someone didn't get the joke...
OP is just saying that Asmon is repeating almost everything Quinn says like you usually do when translating someone .
I just figured it out after hearing the diablo immortal monetization hype again. They were conditioning us to value legendary gems above all else so when we hit diablo 4 endgame and the real world trading, we sell those legendary gems for pretty pennies. Like all the items in the beta were fucky on whats tradeable and whats not, but i almost guarantee it theres gonna be no restrictions on gems and they are gonna be broken and sold for crazy prices
Asmon needs to re-evaluate that haircut.
Legendary items are sometimes worse than sacred rares because they're more expensive to modify and upgrade and you can't choose what legendary affix you put on it.
25:25 detached millionaire doesnt understand modern finances for the average household. This is the same guy who was saying 15$ in 2004 was a lot.
WASD is bad because you can only move in 4 directions. If you want WASD, it's better to use a stick on a controller which gives you 360 degree movement. If not, then mouse movement is better.
Well the people from D2 era are gone so the game can only have D3 leftover shit like map overlay and ui with red, green arrows..
Blues should work like D2 where the affixes can roll higher than rares or legendaries. You can go after the biggest unga-bunga blue with enhanced damage and make a build with it.
Nah, don’t want to confuse the casuals
Itemization in D2 was so much better. You had endless opportunities to swap certain items and make really interesting builds using non-obvious gear. Yes there was definitely bis gear but a lot of times you could have a near bis character with different gear that can work for multiple classes. The idea that they cannot build a complex itemization scheme is bogus because they've done it before.
I love D2 but itemization in D2 sucks.. Litterly every build uses the same setup.. 19 out 20 builds.
You keep forgetting the "they" worked on d2 and the people working on d4 are not the same people so technically they haven't. I wish the same people worked on d4 but it's a completely different company and it's an embarrassment
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Im 800% behind Quin and Asmon with their concerns about D4
The dollar per hour value system is just one way for the individual to justify a purchase. Its not an objective metric of tangible value.
You would not play a free to play game for any amount of time and say "because i got x hours of entertainment i got my money worth."
According to the dollar per hour valuation system, if an individual buys D4 on sale for 40 dollars and they spend 70hrs in game does that mean their purchase is more valuable than the person who spent 70 and played 70hrs? It does not. Because the price paid is still the price paid and the hours of entertainment is still the same hours of entertainment.
Dollar per hour valuation is mental gymnastics to cope with the purchase cost.
The cost of videogames is purely arbitrary set by a publisher because their buisness deparment has the metrics to support the game will sell at X price. Simple As.
Calling it now: D4s equivalent to Secret Cow Level is gonna be Secret KFC level
Secret LGBTQ Rainbow Level
The problem he has with thr ui yku could be that he isn't used to it and it isn't like the ui of other games and his idea for the legendaries aspects is stupid because it means less choices for the players instead of each channeling skills have it own powers every would just be picking the best channeling powers it will kinda be like the support gems in poe where every channeling skill picks infuse has an example
And they have already said there is a pinnacle boss that you can fight ar lvl 100 plus some time of Uber mob guardian some chest in helltide
As a new player to these type of games… I played it at the hardest. It’s too easy
Stop the cap
Sea of Thieves has a Customization model as their motivator. Years ago, they promised that the shop sets wouldnt outweigh the in-game rewards. Now all they push is Emporium (store) items and give a re-color of an old clothing set for the 100th time to work toward. Also ship cosmetics are almost enitrely in the shop. I get that the game needs money to survive, but there needs to be a balance.
Damn...how did the Diablo community become so soft? Console players plus greed has ruined one of the best games ever made. Truly sad.
1:54:50 - For whatever reason, this part of the video reminded me of titles in WoW, and my favorite one -
", Slayer of Stupid, Incompetent and Disappointing Minions"
6:11 That's a weird take, in D2 you can see all the trees skills and read all you want about whirlwind or frozen orb but it's not until you actually hit 35+ that you can actually see and feel the absolute awesomeness of those skills, so this idea that you can determine how good a game is when you are only lvl 25 is kinda BS if you ask me.
you know what really me dislike the itemization? honestly the issues isn't even what people are saying, is the fact that they said blues will have better stats than rares. Like... okay wtf does that have to do with anything when no one will ever even use it even if they have better stats than rares when you can put legndary aspect onto rares and make them great. I prefer them to do something to this too where you can somehow turning blue into rares which compete the items you can personally create or at least have some of the "all items are any rarity have values" statment they said when they announced the game.
1:00:53 "Diablo 4 is being made for a casual audience" and it's working!! I played the closed beta on my pc, loved it and thought "my wife might actually like this" so during open beta I asked her to play with me on her Xbox, using my birthday as leverage lol. she was hesitant at first but within the first hour of us playing together on the couch she was in love!! I can count all the games she enjoys playing on one hand,
1. the sims
2. rocket league
3. red dead 2 (because she can have a horse)
4. Halo infinite
5. Diablo 4
and guess what? everything else is boring now all she wants to play is D4, Blizzards plan is working, too well in fact, two preorders one household😅 ouch but I'm looking forward to playing a game we both can enjoy!!
For how long lmao
@@shaquileoatmeal7365 good question, hopefully it'll be the gift that keeps on giving. she's the monogamer type, she's been playing fiesta on halo for the past year so who knows maybe she'll never stop playing lol, Between just playing the game and showing her the ropes when it comes to making a build, I could see myself easily putting 300 plus hours into it, I put 40 in just during the two beta weekends.
about level scaling. Nice to have "challenge" in starting locations? But what if you get lucky drop legendary which increase dps of your character by 100? Double hydra? "Challenge" killed. So we need ITEM SCALING. How about that? Get +1 hydra staff? => monsters have 2x hp. This is next level design, take notes blizz
The interface takes into account couch co-op on console, which either player can open there inventory screen. Each player has half the screen. It works ridiculously well. The whole co-op experience is really awesome. But that’s probably why the UI looks so bad on PC.
Yeah but PC can be modded and changed we cant really do that on consoles...
I like how the story has some real Hellraiser vibes to it, so it has me really excited to see the rest of the story. And Lilith is bad ass
I like the Gnostic/Luciferic vibes from Lilith
If Hellraiser was pg13 and just generic demons maybe
I'd like to see them get rid of the affixes that dont key into the class systems and double down on affixes that interact with lucky hit, overpower, fortify, etc.
Asmon being a true OG and helping his buddy explain things better - plus Quin gets a little deep and it doesn’t help he’s thick in accent . No shade at all. Cool dude most of the time.
However big W for our Big D energy king himself.🤙🏻🌀
Watching this video after they released a $65 horse for D4 is so eye opening
I never found the leave dungeon option. I ran out. I mean you had to backtrack like 6 times per dungeon, I thought it was part of the design.
You could find an option in the "emote" wheel (E). Another way is open the map with TAB and click the entrance of the dungeon and it teleports you to the outside just where the entrance is. Or simply open the map select the entire area and use a teleport to any that you have already opened. I've noticed that on some dungeons (those in the main quest I believe) didn't have the option in the wheel available though.
goal of itemization is designed for casual players is incorrect, and the way you know it's incorrect is the big green up arrow regularly reduces your damage. Not sure why asmon got stuck on this failed argument.
I Hope Quin have learned how to read in the meantime
People flipping out about a $10 increase in game price have to have an average age range of 13 and 20. Snes games were generally $50-$60 at release, which equates to over $100 now with inflation, for games that have 10 hours of content, or less.
Holy shit what is it with asmon aggressive shilling for this game? Most criticism is brushed off as fine. With such approach you just defend the corp greediness and laziness. Not cool.
He’s a corpo andy now, has been for a while
He enjoys it, who are you to judge his opinion worthy or not?
@@Guardian037 who is he to judge other peoples opinion he shat over the whole video? And who the hell are you to even question me?
That's pretty much every RUclipsr with this game
LOVE THE LONGER VIDEOS
At some point Asmon needs to acknowledge that blizzard had been so egregiously ass backwards as both people and a company that he shouldn't be shocked at all that some people feel utterly gaslit beyond reason.
And for most they need to look no further than Diablo Immortal.
Shelling out money just to be gaslit once again would be infuriating. So no shit they want them to sign in triplicate when they ask them to say explicitly that it won't be pay to win
sometimes i wonder if Asmon is too much of a fanboy for Blizzard, or they are just plain paying him up through paypal xd
he cant be honest with the lvl of coping there days
@@gonzalocornejo9267 I'm sure it's there under the surface, and he hasn't write realized it. Under normal circumstances I would actually agree with him, but this is a case of a company who's reputation for exploitation and bad management practices have gone so far beyond the pale, it's really hard to trust just negate they said so. They are not people who you can blindly take at their word, no matter how many times you force them to say it. It's not been long enough for them to show any level of reform that would cause someone to reevaluate how they view them as a company, and I think for many of us, D4 is now their litmus test. Will they stick to their word? Will they deliver exactly what they promised? Or will they prove once again, they care more about money than their own integrity?