Diablo 4 Devs Try To Save Their Game
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Devs talk about Season 3. Remember guys: this is their LAST chance to save Diablo 4.......
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Thank you, Last Epoch/Path of Exile, for inspiring this small indie game to improve.
Funny to say that while LE/POE takes inspiration to improve their games from Diablo
2:13:07 THANK ME LATER!
whooshing@@Heallix
@@Heallix You're not wrong but you are mad if you think LE/POE takes inspiration from D3 or D4. Diablo as it stands now is far from inspiring anything new.
@@gillsejusbates6938at least let the people have their laugh. 51:30
My main problem with Blizzard is that they never listen to players until after most leave. Then if enough come back they stop listening again
Not even a year since launch and fixing a lot of things, tell me how much time the trusted and beloved Cdpr needed to fix cyberjunk.
@@necronom4792 SO CLOSE cdpr hasdnt snubbed players for going on 10 years now, Blizzard has. Cdpr also was basically forced to drop the game early due to share holder pressure and the (very real death threats) they received. But hey keep on defending blizzards bullshit im sure they'll magically fix themselves soon
@@Kingofthehill674 "coming when its ready'" it was so bad even ps store removed it, cope harder comparing live service Vs single player one and done game
@@necronom4792”not even a year” my f*cking god, what the hell happened? How is this ok in your mind? A year!?
@@italianspiderman5012 well we are talking about today's blizzard a bad greedy shit company with no dignity low expectations bla-bla and apparently their doing a far better job listening to the community and fixing problems than objectively better devs
Joe Shely not hiding his feelings on the matter at all.
Everytime you think you're suffering, enter this video and look at joe shely's face.
He has that "why are we still here? Just to suffer?" vibe going.
And then look at his hair. Bros lookin' like one of those pre- rescued cockatoos
Lol
i'd be pissed too if my teammates were giggling like girl scouts while my job is on the line and the game i worked on was this dogshit
The moment I saw his face and him going to explain ARPGs, I knew it’s over. There is no passion or curiosity in that face. It can’t create anything(as we experienced in D4). Just Empty talks. At this point, only actions matter(Last Season for D4). But for now I’m more certain- nothing will change🫡
3 minutes in, Joe Shely has clearly lost the plot. Someone please, remove any sharp objects from this man's desk and get him out of the premises.
Lost me the second he said we dont know what an ARPG is.....
sleepy joe
@@LanceThumpingThat's what you got from that? His entire point is there are different genres of ARPGs, which is obviously true. ARPGs aren't only Diablo, LE, and PoE, they're a genre within ARPGs.
@@LanceThumping Yeah thats a really long winded way of saying you didnt understand.
@@bit_bangercan’t fix dumb 😂
The only people that are confused on what an ARPG is, is the Blizzard staff. We know exactly what to expect from a Diablo-like ARPG. Strange how a Diablo game can't be more Diablo-like.
mimimimimi
I don't think the staff were confused. I think executives were telling Joe he needed to simplify the game, and he kept trying to explain why that was a bad idea and getting overruled until there was no depth left. He can't say it directly so he tried to kind of talk around the topic.
What is a "Systems" RPGG?
Uhm, Path of Exile?
They had a very much round wheel with D2, since then Blizzard try to reinvent the wheel and what they found is that even Blizzard cant make the wheel any rounder.
"Blizzard finally listening" i am sure i hear it in last 10+ years many times😂
Anyone who thinks that Blizzard would change, needs to be instantly put back to the Arkham Asylum.
@@raphg6319 hey they got gooooooooood meds.
@@raphg6319how did these changes tell you they didnt listen?
Pretty sure this is their business model; make things intentionally bad then 'We are listening!' time happens. It seems to keep people hooked like battered wives. "I love Diablo 4. Diablo 4 may hit me every so often, but they eventually listen to me!"
@@balazstoth7061 The amount of copium Blizzard's payslaves produced over the last 14 years
Did they intentionally line them up in order of enthusiasm
😂😂
I laughed in real life :D
Lmao yes!!
Enthusiasm is for gays
😆
You would think after nearly 3 decades, Blizzard would have figured out how to do loot.
Especially after doing D2 which has such good loot. Not perfect, but excellent.
No such thing as perfect loot.
That man has the looks of total defeat.
Dead inside. But the company keeps killing him over and over lol. Poor guy.
Remember theres no kill like overkill
@@vergillives9890 What about Ultra Kills?
The way he reacts after the crash at 51:50 is just priceless.. like "yep.. of course that piece of shit's gonna crash right now.."
The panels keep getting more and more competent as they get more desperate
they're fighting to keep their jobs at this point. that seems to be the main reason they "care"
What is Diablo? What is ARPG? What is gaming? What is fun? Why am I here? Who am I? Is this a real life or just a dream? Hello? I guess I will go for now. Bring other dude. - Blizzard Dev.
Reminded me of matrix 4’s “what is the matrix” meetings 😂
Bro was having an existential crisis in real time
You missed one and most important question: "Don't you have phones???"
Hello? Is it me you're looking for?
Something something kingdom hearts
- simple and clean starts -
In the future people are going to study how bad Blizzard / Disney etc.. became because of focus groups and corporate trends. Artistic visions need to be left to people who are passionate about the actual art - once you introduce focus groups or share holders the projects become a blob of wanting to please everyone while pleasing no one. This is what happened to Disney and Blizzard / Microsoft. This is also why we get nothing but remakes or rehashes in a lot of entertainment, and this is why Indy games are becoming way better (as far as fun / story) than AAA titles.
Nah, they cite their failure as right wing extremist harassment campaigns.
Just like how noones done communism right yet and noone want to talk about the hundreds of millions dead.
These types never admit guilt or take any responsibility for their failure, prove me wrong
“Hey guys we made the game closer to be what it should’ve been at launch. Again.”
That is basically any live service game, including PoE and LE :D Thank god those games have years of feedback compared to D4 huh ?
Spicy W
@@didakisWith consideration to the entry price and budget behind Diablo 4 launched in the worst state by a mile in comparison to Poe or LE...
@@didakisthey could have done a market analysis across the genre and see what the competition with their playerbase is asking for
I truly think that Diablo 4 will never be good, quote me on that. No matter the improvements they make to it. Just like when D3 came out and I predicted the same, and was proven right even dozens of seasons later.
Itemization in both of these games is way oversimplified. If it's not "damage on Tuesday", it's +overall damage here and +vulnerable damage there. It's as plain as white bread.
Even games like Baldur's Gate 3 have super interesting itemization. Stats are scarce, but they're extremely meaningful when you pair them with the right character, class or build.
Remember when videogames didn’t need regular press-conferences? 🤷♂️
I memba!
I memba. I memba even when it all went downhill.
This was when people stopped playing games and started watching others play online. This introduced people into the gaming community who were not gamers at all or who stopped being gamers and became spectators.
It made it mainstream.
It made it 💩💩💩
or Seasons? you just buy the game and replay it if it's really good. they wanna try to milk all the money out of it
@@frontsquats The easy assumption to make is to avoid games made by publicly traded companies like the plague. Shareholders have no interest in creating quality products, they only care about revenue numbers.
Pepperidge farm remembers.
Blizzard is doing the same thing many gaming companies do. Give you a terrible game/season/dlc and once everyone is ready to quit after being bled dry, they release an update that's mildly okay but it blows everyone away because they are so use to shite.
Amazing how they have been doing itemization for almost 30 years and still don’t have a proper theory and design to show
The problem is the people who did competent itemization are long gone from the company.
But they haven't had 30 years. All the key D1/D2 devs at Blizzard North, left around the time of the Activision merger, since they were totally f-ed over by it.
If I had to wager a guess, it's more likely a conscious decision by the higher ups to try to artificially increase play time. If they were lazy or truly didn't know any better, all that would've been done is simply copypasta the previous games.
They know how to make items… anyone can reverse engineer a brilliant design. They know the secret of the sauce. They for whatever reason don’t want it in their game? Probably because it’s not theirs?
@@DocNo27 while that might be true, the documentation and coding arent.
Not even 4 minutes in and the Diablo 4 team describes D4 as an ARPG diablo like game. Well if D4 is only diablo like then who the hell makes Diablo games. Great circus some cute monkeys on a couch
Frost Giant Studios is the company comprised of OG Blizzard Devs. The ones that made all the games we love. They're currently working on a StarCraft-like title.
It goes to show that they've lost the plot. Not the same people at all, though so at least they're not claiming they did it either.
@@sharker100 But they are going in the right direction with these changes
@@Dandoskyballer that game looks trash thou, diablo/warcraft was good, starcraft was mediocre, game they made for asians.
I dont think I ever wanna hear someone from Blizzard calling a game an SA-RPG
OOF
@@PsychicOracleBut if there’s anyone who knows how to put the SA into an RPG, it’s definitely Activision/Blizzard…
And then their upper management will cover it up.
Oh wow how I cant believe they said that unironically. High levels of cosmic humor there
what is a sa rpg?
What a sa rpg ?
Joe just wants to go home
I think he ran out of the building after his opening speech
…to play LE
Left most dude looks fed-the hell-up. 😂
They do the livestream in the dark so we can't see the depression in their eyes
Why is he so mad?
@@ce-xiv1334 Hes not its just his face bro
@@ce-xiv1334 Because of all the word salad and dysfunction in the their game development. I was pissed just watching it. Brutal incompetence.
Really or is it save their jobs cause Sheet Holders are going to pull the plug? It has to be tuff to satisfy both but when it all crumbling down haha
The reason for a ptr is free quality testing since they laid off theirs
That sadly is probably is what did occur.
yea and it seriously sucks I feel sorry for those people that did
its industry-wide. Why pay for playtesters when gamers will happily pay you to playtest for you?
Imagine going into an interview laughing and giggling trying to explain why your shit game is not shit.
Nervous laughter
HAH! D4 bad, upvotes please.
Shitzard
Its sad once you lose trust the brand goes downhill
Lolololol
Blizzard's Last Chance was like 5-10 years ago.
Yeah it's a talking corpse at this point. Actually it was already shait long before that since D3 proved to be a shitty game aswell.
Yup. If this was any other studio or game, people would have left and never came back.
In my opinion, their last chance was when they released wc3 reforged, and they fucked it up
*Yawn* nobody cares that you have hated a company for 10 years.
@@Zefar77apparently 127 people did…
I love how they first said that you can purchase things with real money BEFORE talking about changes. Tells you a lot.
Good changes but most of this was feedback provided back in Alpha.
51:30 for when the game crashes during the stream
Thank you. I was trying to find where that was because all my friends are talking about that moment and it just made my night being able to click your link and see THE EXACT moment it happens. TY so much. I've clicked it like 10 times and I LOL Everytime. Pure gold. Not all heroes wear capes, ty ty. Iconic moment. Truly shows how much these idiots care about the game (not) to have A CRASH LIVE. Lol omg omg ty.
You are a timestamp god
Unbelievable lol
Legendary comment
@@Darnassium ??? It's a large piece of software, crashes happen LOL
"Quality of items versus quantity of items", considering they already have an unlimited amount of garbage items.....they don't need anymore.
joe looks like he is on gunpoint to the guy on left..
blink twice Joe if you are held hostage
@@balazstoth7061 the guy who came to replace him (lol) blinked plenty enough for at least a group of hostages. look at him go. who the hell blinks like that. its like he's in a constant state of falling for a feint.
@@ZugzugZugzugson It's called Tics. I can get it sometimes and it's very annoying and not funny to have.
"These short-lasting sudden movements (motor tics) or uttered sounds (vocal tics) occur suddenly during what is otherwise normal behavior. Tics are often repetitive, with numerous successive occurrences of the same action."
@@Dharnthread you saying you have tourettes syndrome
Devs don't even know what an ARPG is, it all makes sense now.
Actually they know and ARPG is way more than just Diablo-like games.
So they present you Diablo IV. Enjoy@@TheTezoni
Lol "Hades"
@@TheTezoniIt must be so tiring trying to constantly change everyone's negative opinions on the game everywhere you go.
Funny how the sales are supposedly so high that you warriors feel the need to go out and change opinions around.
@@305backup what?
Blizzard is a "yeah you can copy my homework but dont make it obvious" company at this point.
Ignorance in not realizing everyone else copied Diablo first :D
@@EgoSashaIt’s a difference between building a game on a concept that was laid out year 2000. So then all souls like games copied Dark Souls because they laid the foundation. All hamburger places copy’s McDonald’s. What a great logic you have! There is a difference between literally coping something straight off and change it’s name with forging from LE like they did. But hey go fill up your 6 stash tabs with yellows sir.
@@coltizz except McDonalds didnt lay foundation for Hamburger place and your reasoning falls flat. There is reason games are called Souls-like, Diablo-like, theyre built upon its foundation. If they wanna work on same ideas as competitors in the game they pioneered its in their right to do so.
@@EgoSasha I’m not sure where you live but McDonald’s is not just a hamburger place. Did they invent hamburgers no. They did however invent how fast food operates all across the globe, as well as hamburger places. Because of them everyone have a standard how it should feel to be a at a hamburger place. Fast service etc. So ye my argument holds. The problem with your logic is that for souls game. The Dark Souls franchise has kept building and evolving on their foundation and are still the ones with the most active players across the globe “the father is still in the top”. While The Diablo team even left most of its foundation it builded on in Diablo 3 and now even more in Diablo 4. They have one of the fewest active player bases of any ARPG today in Diablo 4. So now they have to steal systems of other games because they can’t make good ones themself. They have 0 creativity left this is their last chance to save a sinking ship. How a multi billion dollar company can make such bad game that you can’t even have more then 6 stash tabs cause it breaks the game and the most boring skill trees in any active ARPG amazes me. But I guess the 2000 people that worked to make D4 did not have enough breast milk.
I feel sorry for Joe Shely...
Because the people in charge where assholes and needed to be fired, he was *rushed* to the position of Game Director and he clearly was not given the proper training and has to force himself into the position
13:29 YOU LEARNED THIS IN DIABLO THREEEEEE!!!!! LOOT 2.0 ?!?! HELLOOOO???!?!! WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS LIKE YOU JUST HAD SOME KIND OF GD EPIPHANY ?!?!?
Honestly this kills my brain cells. They figured out what made Diablo 3 shit, then they did a 180 on Diablo 4 as if they learnt nothing.
Simple. All the people that learned that lesson have likely been gone from Blizz for some time. These people are going to be making all the same mistakes.
@@lexvstee They have logs, they can read up on the development of d3.
Don't make excuses for them.
@@MikeTall88I'm not trying to make excuses for them. It's still bloody stupid. I just have an inkling that that's whats happened. Seems more likely than them just having forgotten.
Endgame, crafting, itemization are the soul of an arpg. So according to the lead dev of d4. The game launched with no soul?
First 5 minutes: Joe explaining that an ARPG is an ARPG is a SYSTEM RPG, SARPG. Five minutes for me to understand that a game like Diablo 4 has systems, and that is the framework. Systematic frameworks are essential to understanding that OUR GAME IS TRASH.
Excuse you but its Sexual Assault RPG
And yet there are people in this very comment section trying to be contrarians and go against what Joe Shely was saying. This proves that his monologue was actually very valuable and exposes fraudulent "fans" for what they are: clueless haters.
JFC everytime I see the devs for this game they look like they've aged about 10 years and are massively dehydrated O.o my god it must be an actual hellscape over there.
Im betting they are keenly aware of how unhappy the playerbase is and are very stressed over it
@@garycannon4644 They're also probably thinking "why the fuck are they putting us up here after every patch, just let us work and get this shit fixed". It's genuinely sad to see them so beat up, especially when they know that people are going to be watching the streams live or the VODs later on and needlessly shitting on them.
SRPG is basically mobile game RPGs. The systems are there to delay the players from getting top tier loot for as long as they can so they can encourage spending to speed up the process.
Laughs in POE with 384737474 systems
I have a question.
Have you ever played Path of Exile? Just curious, because you just waffled something that makes me thing you haven't.
Nope. *Goes back to playing Helldivers 2*
buys Last Epoch deluxe in their honor
Their biggest mistake they made after 3 seasons is to let us try last epoch, nothing can bring me back to D4 after that
Last Epoch already lost 75% of its playerbase within 30 days, which is very interesting to say the least given how much LE glazing is going on within the social media.
The thing I miss about old diablo was that all classes could equip all items except for a few things. That made for more interesting gameplay. I remember playing a melee sorc with fire wall.
Zealer sorc with enchant and ice armor. Good old days.
I remember my Barb being so fast that he could run with a blinking Sorc only that I needed to thrash some mobs on the way.
Watch how PoE devs talk about their game today. LOGIN
LOGIN NEW POE 2 GAMEPLAY LOGIN NEW LEGUE INBOUND Baseg D4 BAD
LOGIN Dude
my minions are calling me for the juicy new league next week!
@@SirGrooveALot-oq3yt Yeah I'm excited. I'm going to miss the Affliction's endless currency though. Made trying out new builds possible.
LOGIN Pog
Just another word salad from a shit game development company that fell from grace many years ago.
They're coming back bro! Diablo4life
@@djvapid Okay and? You hate the game, enter the line of the other hundred of people who do. We don't care because you can't be pleased at this point.
I'll be having more fun in the next season.
have you watched the video? they finally made good meaningful changes
@@Zefar77 Cope.
@@Nehfarius I actually like the game. I enjoyed the season 2 but had many other games to play after that season so didn't play season 3.
Will go back for the next season and have more fun.
You can still whine about how much you hate the game.
Poe doesn't need a ptr because they have fans that are so die hard they could release absolute garbage they'd eat it up.
Truth
The term RPG has been way overused for the last decade. Now essentially everything is called an RPG. Because you are playing a role of a character in each game but before RPG term was used for games like Morrowind, Fable, Baldurs Gate, etc. A game where you made the character and picked the role yourself.
Yes Hack 'n slash was a better term for Diablo games. That what it is and should be.The story line is just a side trivia that doesn't really matter, in that you can look at it or skip it if you want and it doesnt matter for the gameplay really.
@PlebiteBaller exactly there are way better terms for these games then just RPG.
@@PlebiteBaller I've always argued Diablo was a rogue like RPG labelled as a RPG because it had real time combat
😂 So true. Just look at “RPG” in the app stores & it appears that any game where you play a character can be labeled that way
@@PlebiteBallerDMC, Bayonetta, GOW are hack and slash. Diablo was always a ARPG. Which is separate from RPG's that have a Turn based or realtime/action system.
Hack and slash can have RPG components tho.
Joe as lost it and its time he jumps the boat, the dude is so disconnected its getting hilarious.
"We added the ability to zoom out, we heard your feedback".... its only been awhile.
The fact that they call their own DIABLO game a "Diablo-like" says a lot.
Let them decide sounded personal 🤣🤣🤣{0:17}
Mans was hostile for no reason wth..
Timestamp?
@@Vub. The left mosf guy said that at the start of the talk
He seemed very hostile saying that, or really cool and fed-up with corporate talk.@@muddysky1464
the problem is, I've deleted the game and cant be bothered to try it again even if these are good updates
Why do i have a feeling that we are gonna be back in May when S4 starts talking about the super last chance of D4 lmao
azért, mert már képtelen vagy kibújni a hater szerepből. egyszerűen túlzottan élvezed. már nem számít neked a játék minősége
@@balazstoth7061 Te milyen minőségről beszélsz? Nem tudom, hogy ugyanazzal a kutyaszarral játszottunk-e, de személyes tapasztalat szerint ez életem legrosszabb vétele eddig. Egyáltalán nem foglalkozok a játékkal az első 2 hónapja óta, de néha vicces nézni 1-2 Asmon videót a devek szerencsétlen rugdalózásáról.
@@kerotomas1 D4 egy hihetetlen lagymatag játék volt eddig. A kutyaszar jelző erős túlzás. Egyedül s2 alatt játszottam, amikor elvileg elég sok javítást behoztak, de még mindig 1000 sebből vérzett.
Ezek a változtatások konkrétan az összes nagyobb problémát orvosolják. Valószínűleg ezek után sem lesz a zsáner legjobb játéka, de aki ezek után is csak elégedetlenül picsogni tud az egy reménytelen hater.
Seems like a treason language, seems like managed democracy is needed here.
@@balazstoth7061 I can't speak your language but Google Translate helped me understand. I 100% agree with you, some of these people don't want the game to be good and will say anything to prevent that from happening.
Actual haters.
Last Epoch and poe is literally giving them the blueprint. I dont understand why they just wont change the game to become more inline to what players want.
i agree there is a lot of value in what the other games does but there's a reason why diablo is 10x both games combined at its peaks. It has different goals but obviously blizzard isn't hitting them.
@@maximoniur3910 The super power of IP and Blizzard selling piles of dogshit for the last decade is real
@@maximoniur3910 The only thing Diablo 4 does x10 is the amount of distance it requires you to walk in between quests lol
Because they're only on page 17 of Coding for Dummies yet - give them time to read the thing fully.
@@maximoniur3910 at its peaks? what about RIGHT NOW. d4 ded
It feels like devs played their game for once and realized "oh shoot!" :)
The first 2 min with joey p just barely moving and staring into the camera was hilarious for no reason
The biggest problem for me with D4 is the dungeons are to similar to each other if you ignore the aesthetics, they need to make the dungeons MUCH more varied not just in style but in substance
Yeah cause clearly thats what matters in ARPG. Its almost like Last Epoch looks indentical besides color pallet on every run u do of anything. Mechanics matter maps are not important. Ull get new with expansion.
@@EgoSasha Honestly Last Epoch's maps are very repetitive as well, and have a bunch of back tracking as well.
@@hickfarm i know, thats why i said LE is good gameplay wise, or well its playable, but the graphics and thematic is awful, its repeat perma, everything looks same just either snow/swamp/forest/stone. Arenas especially in Monoliths.
you should quit ARPGs then mate...
if that’s your biggest problem with d4, then you should just quit playing arpg.
They’re probably putting a PTR to do changes before the patch goes live just in case people aren’t receptive to changes.
That opening speech had as much lag as the average season launch.
Joe must have lost a bet or some shit to be forced to say those words lmao
After playing Diablo 4 for a couple hours it was obvious that most of these changes were needed. It should not have taken almost a year for this.
True
I just feel the combat is boring. Doesn't feel impactful. Doesn't look impressive Maybe it is just the class I chose.
Ok, so D4 released as a sicknote version of D3 release and now they're trying to RoS it. Fuck this company. They legit released a shite version of a game just so that they can remake D3, 12 years later. WTF is this shit?
Next time we see Shely, he will be a ghoul from Fallout 3.
How's he STILL the Game Director, it boggles the mind 😂
He classifies himself as a gay Haitian woman aso the DEI protocols have kept them from firing him.......
Game is making money, that's probably why
@@dmt472not since launch.
Playerbase fell off a cliff so they cant sell mtx.
Just look at WoW's Director, 10 years of constant failure and still has the job no problem. Corporate Kevlar.
It's because nobody wants this low paying high stress job lol
Listening to these guys feels like listening to someone who develops entirely new game for the first time... not like the guys who supposed to have 20 years of experience and 3 previous versions of Diablo behind the belt.....
Yes Hollow Knight and Elden Ring are also the first ARPGs that come to my mind.
They made an effort to not mentipn PoE or LE, it was so lame
were u even listening to his point? he was highlighting how broad the genre can be. if he mentioned poe or LE, which are diablo clones, how does that reinforce his point that arpgs are broad?
Because its not broad, elden ring and hollow knight are not ARPGs.
LE and POE are all better, way better than daiblo, not clones. lol. Diablo didn't create ARPG genre.
Basically he was bullshitting and you fell for it when no one else did. @@tarrantwalter524
@@rickycool6083 no shit theyre better than diablo, anything is better than today's diablo. you really out here with the controversial opinions. hollow knight is definitely debatable, but elden ring and dark souls games are definitely arpgs. they are literally the old diablo games in third person with rolling and much more difficulty
also, idk if you knew, but poe was built off the idea of d2. the founder of poe talks about it all the time... it was literally designed to be a copy pasta of d2. ofc, its evolved since then, cuz its had many years of changes while the other hasnt
and don't put words in my mouth, i didn't say diablo was the first arpg. youre just schizo'ing random things. diablo wasn't the first arpg. diablo definitely popularized the hack n slash arpg style though.
just because it doesnt have a topdown perspective doesnt mean its not an arpg. try using google. quite literally everything and everyone who understands the definitions of words will tell you elden ring and souls games are arpgs lol
i'd bet you would say smite isn't a moba because its not topdown either lmao
@@tarrantwalter524the context is lost when Joe says "it's an arpg but also soulslike" etc. Something tint as that can be mislead by viewers, instead should've called "it's a soulslike but can be considered as an arpg too"
@@nagatodan how is the context lost? soulslike is just another style of game. diablo games are hacknslash, does this mean they arent arpgs in his context either?
quite literally, diablo games (and the derivatives) are hack n slash arpgs and the souls games are souls-like arpgs. two different flavors.
These campfire chats have the same energy as a public execution
Exciting news for The 2 People still playing
Yes very exciting, I liked season 3 and can't wait to play season 4. I know you're joking but there are still people that like this game, must just not be your thing 🤷
Rob and his bot alt account will be pleased
@@dolo2233my friend keeps playing and they still havent fixed a bug where he just instantly dies
@@vergillives9890 I can't tell if this is a joke or not 😂
Diablo4 probably still has more active players than PoE or LE.
We often forget that most issues with D4 are at the very end game.
Casuals (biggest player group by far) will play D4 over PoE or LE.
Note: I still like both PoE and LE more, but realistically people underestimate how many players actually still play D4
Question for the lead class designer: why were the skill trees dumbed down so badly from D2? Why was class balance not considered? What is the reasoning behind making an obviously worse game from D2/3 class wise?
Fair question, but D2s trees really weren't that complex. Sure you COULD go wherever you wanted but if you wanted to excel in a build you were only ever putting points in certain places.
The skill trees and class design are the biggest things keeping me from trying D4 again, and they can't be solved with simple number tweaking. They need to be redone from the ground up. Part of the problem is that they moved so much of player power to paragon and world tier 3/4 gear drops that the skill tree itself has very little impact on your character beyond just selecting the skills. All the powerful skill modifiers are on legendary paragon nodes, uniques, or legendary aspects. D4's trees are dumbed down even in comparison to D3 in practice because at least the rune system had a big impact on skills.
@@GDShenanigans It is complex if you're min maxing your character. It can go deeper than only leveling up synergies.
The foundation of character building in these Arpg games is the character skill tree. If that is screwed up then it doesn’t matter what you do with end game or items. The D4 skill tree is way too shallow of a foundation to build upon. They are going to have to rebuild it at some point.
in D4 a barbarian has 23 active skills, not counting the passive skills and the skill improvement nodes AND in D2 a barbarian has about 20 active skills, not counting the passive skills. I guess both games' skill trees are too shallow. D2 overhyped as compared to LE a primalist has a total 26 but if picking a specific class has at most 17 active skills and the runemaster( a DOTA hero-inspired skill system) having more than 50+ skills then we have PoE, which hilariously is also missing a "tree" same with the previous one, have 275 active gems while having 7 classes.
@@dgthanos poe certainly has its issues that they hope to resolve in version 2. Games evolve, if you think modern games need to have a skill tree like Diablo 2 then we would just have to agree to disagree.
Poe attempts skill customization through gems rather than actual skill trees. This is problematic in several ways and they actually have admitted this. We will see how poe 2 addresses it.
LE actually attempts a tree for each skill as a form of providing customization and player choice for each skill.
Diablo 4 provides very little customization if any whatsoever for skills. You mention how many active skills a character has, however, what does it matter if each skill has shallow if not just non existent customization. In Diablo 4 for any given skill on my sorcerer I have just two options of customization, neither of which does much customization at all. Hence my comment.
@@dgthanos Damn, solid argument my friend! Well said. I can’t explain around the number of skills but I will say that the amount of customization a LE character has within those 17 (or whatever each individual character has) is infinitely more expansive than the 26 skills the barbarian has. Gotta look beyond simply how many different skills there are and look in to how you can customize your gameplay beyond basic skills.
@@tripleraze321 OP is out here saying about skill "trees". What is a "tree" anyway? As for my own definition: A "tree" is a living being that grows a trunk with supporting branches and leaves through time with the help of nutrients from the soil and water. Now as I see it in D4's "shallow tree", through experience(nutrients and water) you have to pick a certain amount of active skills/passive nodes and "grow" your tree to be able to unlock more "skills" meanwhile in LE and PoE you unlock active skills through experience only. You can just pick one active skill available at level 1 and use it to gain experience to unlock the more "powerful" or you intended skill. There is no growing or branching out to acquire more active skills which I think is a pretty lazy to honest like in D4.
Skill customization is also present in D4, although shallow and limited, through the presence of uniques, legendary powers and the upcoming update through the tempering system affixes(+projectile mostly). If you choose to equip a certain unique or legendary power your bone spear will leave balls that echoes, ball lighting will orbit around you or your pulverize will go in a straight line instead of just infront of your toon. If your definition of "skill customization" is "your fireball is now a beam of fire, bounces a number of times or have more projectiles" then i'm not sure what you mean but that is called a new skill or another "active skill" replacing your "old skill fireball", a skill that is "improved" by a gem and a skill that can be improved by a simple item affix. D4 is still missing the "homing" and returning gimicks thus my comment agreeing D4 skills are still "shallow" at the moment but as to existence of a "skill tree" no need to beat around the "bush".
@@DirtRabbit Yup, perfect logic indeed stranger. As wide as an ocean and as deep as a puddle customization with that + and - to whatever bonuses one can think of that can instead be put to items and applicable to all skills instead of just one skill, right?
Alan Jackson was so passionate and did such great work on Heroes of the Storm and now he's stuck working on this garbage. It hurts to watch.
The country artist?
@@arcutaz1344 D4 needs a sad, sad country song.
A tale of regret, betrayal, bereavement, pickup trucks, a canine you can count on, and Momma.
As you point out, Alan Jackson is a country mega-star.
ADAM Jackson is a computer programmer/developer.
Bots and their copy/pasted comments from the other video smh
@@arcutaz1344Alan Jackson probably played the game when it first launched tbf.
the aspect system changes is a giga W. absolutely hated the old system
Diablo 4 having a PTR and it comming out April 2nd truly is the definition of "Out of Season April Fools Joke"
The utter defeat in these dev's faces. Not the mark that a game is moving in the right direction...just sad. Corporate greed destroys again.
There's definitely times they look excited for the changes though.
the only excitement is from them hoping they get to keep their jobs
It would be cool if you could encounter Uber uniques in the wild… just going to their summoning locations is kinda boring. I wannna be running nm dungeons and stubble across a big boss. Like how they have the butcher show up randomly…
You CAN already as of current patch, but it will be even more common (still very rare) in Season 4 as the requirement goes from lvl85+ monsters down to lvl55+ monsters (World Tier 3, basically).
I like for examples they named games like Elden Ring and Hollow Knight that aren't arpgs instead of their actual competition like POE or Last Epoch lol
the worst thing is if they actualy used elden ring or hollow kinght as inspiration their game would be better at least 2x for sure. Also ER is pretty close to arpg only diference is the 3rd person view , but login kill monsters get loot, fight boss loop is there. They could ve learned a lot just from elden ring alone, they also have their own game legacy but still they made absolute worst possible game with shitty ideas.
In 2024 every game is considered a RPG
The a in arpg just means real time combat. Elden ring is absolutely an arpg. Zelda is often cited as one of the original arpgs and that's nothing like poe or last epoch
@@SephPumpkin I get what you are trying to say, but people keep taking a terms that were used back in the day like "rpg," "arpg," "mmo" and just generalizing the terms and using it for everything, which then makes the term mean nothing for actually being able to picture what the game is. Almost all games could be labeled as an "action roleplaying game." But in all honesty people who know the actual genre will know it is games such as Last Epoch, Diablo, POE, Grim Dawn, Wolcen, ect.
@@dbarnes8923 Sure. But what is the point the dude in the video is trying to make by mentioning games like Elden Ring and Hollow Knight? Neither is anything like Diablo? They aren't going to make Diablo like Elden Ring or Hollow Knight. He was just using the generalized terms instead of mentioning their actual competitors (because they can't compete anyways) and he doesn't want their names even more known or spread by pretending the games they should be taking notes from and copying don't exist.
Love how they didnt mention their direct comptetitors when they were reeling off "ARPGs" - They have been schooled by competitor ARPGs for the past 10 years.
They called Hades an ARPG. That tells you everything you need to know about these developers.... developers DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!
Pretty bad when a game hasn't even been out a year and they having to rework a ton of stuff, like gear. And much of this is pretty obvious stuff, so why wasn't originally like this?
they don't wanna pay for game testers anymore, so we become the testers lol
The big question, are they going to support base game after expansion. If not there is no point in picking the game back up. Bliz/D4 lost all trust for the game over the past year, why would/should i give you another 70$ for something that will be broken on release?
as a dev I hate this, regularly talking for hours to an audience regularly instead of just focusing on the job. they'd be more productive if they just fixed issues instead of talking about them.
Take ol yeller behind the shed at sunrise.
Joe just Devsplained that we arent playing an ARPG we are playing a SRPG. I wonder if POE and LE know they arent making ARPGs.
what the hell was even his point lol
@@ZugzugZugzugson Maybe he's trying to distract from the action sucking? I don't know about you but one shotting Duriel isn't particularly fun. I guess the system to enable the one shot is where the fun lies? Meh.
@@xWarlanx no i mean "what was even his point" as in; what the hell is this guy talking about?
something about ARPG being SRPG and uhhh... soulslike diablo games that are diablolike? what...?
@@ZugzugZugzugson his point is that Diablo is all about systems (crafting, skills, Paragon board, etc.). That is what makes Diablo, Diablo. It's the soul. It's funny because they are redoing it all, in a sense recognizing that Diablo 4 had no soul. Other action RPG games are less about systems and more about action and combat like Elden Ring. He wasn't very coherent about it and that may explain why this game has been having issues...
ARPG is a more "generic" genre, this was his point. Dark Souls is ARPG, Hades is ARPG, Kingdom Hearts is ARPG...
Garbage shit they giggling about should have already been in the game from the beginning
"I can explain and define my boring ass bad game" is all i heard.
100$ wasted on the pre-order
You are part of. The problem
NEVER PRE-ORDER MAN
@@majed2488 I normally don't pre order much less buy games . I just had high expectations for this game
I played 2 seasons both hardcore and softcore. I did have fun playing d4.
@@bosszolayeah the Story was okay and if u dont got 200h in it the Game realy could be fun
dude, minions on necros in LE are super fun, flashy, spells everywhere, projectiles everywhere, able to summon like 20 minions simultaneous, D4 need to enable those kind of things too
I'm happy to test the game for you on the PTR. Where do I send the invoice? My hourly rates are 100 dollars per hour.
This happens right after they eliminated almost all game testers. Blizzard is to big to make a great game. Theres too many money people with massive egos that'll never allow it.
I started playing D2 again, can't imagine deleting it to make room for 4
Can’t imagine needing to delete such a tiny game to make room for anything.
@@matthewburt8632d2 isn’t tiny lol
D2 is great, id advice sacred 1and 2 for old timey hack n slash fun
@@matthewburt8632 Bruh, D2R is >30GB. Any modern game is. Why? Well, compression is kinda tough. Especially for interactive applications with a ton of mutable state.
D2R is 30GB, D4 is 90GB. 1/3 the size. 66% smaller. Point stands. I have 24 TB in my computer. 1TB specifically for high performance games. Yes 30GB is small. Could fit 34 installs of D2R on just my high performance gaming storage (hint: it doesn’t need it). Point is you’re a troll. Acting like you can’t possibly have both games installed.
my last d4 experience was realizing resistances werent working 'as intended'... im done with their systems
They need a PTR because they fuck up too much
That initial framing comes from a simple internal problem: He's had to do this framing very strongly in his own team, likely because there is significant divergence between the people making Diablo 4 and those that play it - this lends to a LOT of time spent aligning on "What are we trying to be" within the team (this leads to over-scientification of the problem among few who are trying to explain the systems to others in the team that are just trying to now understand what the audience likes and tend to move into "Tell me what I need to do and I'll do it" - which is not a problem for game teams on PoE or LE because the developers ARE the intended audience.
“Diablo 4 is an ArPG but it plays like shit” ….Joe Shely is completely lost…..
A long time ago my boss was getting on my case about something... I just pointed out that I've out lasted 5 bosses before him... That's because corporate replaces the head of a branch when that branch is falling not the workers... That is how old school did things... From what I can see here some department heads needs replacing... just saying....
Five bosses and still the branch underperformed, sounds like one of those 6 bosses should've cleaned house at some point.
Yeah starting with this dude. His response to doing work at work was "I don't care, you'll get fired anyways" lol but the dude thinks it's definitely the management that's the issue.
@@eros.gaming2001
They really trying to convince us it’s not an ARPG because they facked up the game
Rejoicing when an arpg company decides to focus on making itemisation not suck is like being excited when a car manufacturer decides to put a steering wheel in their car. Clown devs
Big wins, they're almost at a release worth state. Now they still need to revamp paragon and skill trees but its getting there
will probably happen when xpac comes out
They still dont have a fucking multiplayer party search. Its 2024
The vast majority of ARPGs don’t lol
Even in 2024…
@@aldawgdbut D3 does. They’ve copied everything else from the game
@@topshelfbullys7889 D2, D3, &D4 are so different you can’t even tell they are from same studio so not sure what your saying is copied…
Gamers: This isn't fun.
Blizzard: More rifts!
Joe Shelly reminds me of the HR guy from the Office
Toby
Here is how I would fix D4,
1. reduce gear drops, by ALOT, so when you get a drop it's meaningful
2. remove disenchanting items
3. let items be sold on AH for gold or traded for other gear or items
done.
24:20 The reason why they don't want the best items to be tradeable is inherently tied to Actiblizzard's basest desires: more money for less everything.
I know this way of head honchos' thinking from the inside. In Actiblizzard's case it is exactly that simple: they don't want to allow any trading for actually valuable stuff to exist because said trading will automatically encourage some degree of RMT. And its not that Actiblizzard doesn't want any RMT in D4. Its that they only want THEIR OWN RMT to exist. And whenever a player has to decide whether he'd like to spend 70% on a ridiculous horse or on a top-tier staff weapon, the choice is quite obvious in 99.6% situations.
THIS is what they're so afraid of, and this is why they refuse to implement top-tier trading. It's not because they "can't ban RMTers". They can. But that will still lead them to the case where players are much more willing to spend their extra bits of money on the equipment instead of preposterously garbage 'flair' stuff.
Any 30$ that could possibly be spent by any random player on a crossbow or an armor or a pair of nice boots is 30$ that wasn't spent on a portal recolor. And that would mean a "pure loss" for Actiblizzard. Yes, this is how they see this topic in its entirety. I kid you not.
such a shame
We are reducing affixes... padding, padding... We are adding more affixes... padding padding... We are adding even more affixes by introducing GREATER affixes...
WAKE UP people! they are just taking you for another spin, GL getting the item you want after these changes because it will add more and more layers instead of streamlining like you would hope for. Yes they are stealing some great concepts from other games... then they introduce them halfheartedly, until they start actually caring about their own product nothing will change.
It's sad to see how they have lost their soul tbh... all they care about is making money these days and all a player is to them is another bank account to withdraw from.
All thoses affixes changes wont matter anyway if the games content is still lackluster
I don't know what in the world is going on at Blizz, but they always pick the worst and/or people to do these public town hall-type events.
The only person that didn't make my "How did you get in here" tought trigger was the guy all the way to the right. I could listen to that and clearly connect with his speech patterns.
The second to ti left, with the "tisk", and exaggerated inhale between each comma and sentest drive me up the wall. He is the guy that wants to tell you something, but it takes forever to simply say something simple. Long pauses, unnecessary stops. This is the guy in a raid that adds 10 to 15 extra words, pauses, "uhm" and ands to something very simple. The guy in raid that sees a healer in raid dispel themselves the without prompt reminds them to dispel. The Obvious Andy.
They need to screen the people selected for this with an external PR firm that is not woke.
The problem is that Blizzard can't hear us over the sound of their PR staff screaming "WE ARE LISTENING! WE ARE LISTENING!"
Case in point: A 2 hour stream of their devs rambling about a dead game instead of listening to their HUGE amounts of feedback.