Not only do you put out some of the best objective reviews and tests, and make technical stuff entertaining and easier to understand, but you listen to your audience and take it on board. You and TXG are my go to resources. Keep on keepin on.
Thank you for making this great video from a golfer with a 100 mph swing speed! Your in-depth videos are simply the best! I really appreciate the time you take to do a thorough review while giving an informative, detailed explanation of the results.
Thanks for the review!! Especially at a lower swing speed as mine is only low 90s. What’s so interesting is that I play original stealth plus at 8.25. So good to see you mention this philosophy
That's Scott 👍 yeah people get way too caught up in swing speed when really it's irrelevant. It's all about how.you deliver the club which decides what clubs are best for you
Wonderful review and still very relevant with the price of both drivers lower by $150 to $200 with their new respective models coming out. You covered all the bases very well. With your upward angle of attack, I can see the benefits of lower loft. However, most of the guys I play with do not have a 5-6 degree upward angle of attack and benefit by more loft…..myself included. Keep up the great videos and thanks for your review!
Great video! I hit my XR16 around 220y carry. I guess my club head speed is around 90-95, not sure. Seeing you hit it at about the same speed but 20-30y longer is interesting. My driver is in standard settings 9,5 neutral. I'm gonna try to tee up higher and go down to 8,5, and also try to hit higher on the toe. See if I can get more yardage. Keep the vidz coming!
Hello, thanks for great videos, you are my favorite RUclips channel. My swingspeed is about 90 with the driver. I play Callaway Mavrik 10,5 with a projekt x evenflow riptide 50 graphite shaft regular. My average attack angel is 2 and spin rate about 3000. Is spin rate to hight ? Iam thinking of changing shaft, can you recommend some shaft to test ? Or other recommendations ?
after hitting practically every new driver manufacture on the market. I by far think these are the two best ended up going with the TSR just because I like the title list. clean look but they both performed beyond expectation
I love my TSR2 and the fact that it was $200Aus cheaper than the Stealth makes it even better lol…..10deg, Ventus Red 6s, swing 95-100mph….best driver I have ever owned
Excellent video brilliant detail and super helpful to the majority of us golfers who are around that swing speed.....It would be great to see how the triple diamond works at those speeds ,do you think that would be a club that would help players that present a lot of dynamic loft?
Thanks Sp! Yes it would! Ultimately if you deliver too much loft you need a lower lofted head and the lower spin head design, so the Triple Diamond, Stealth 2 Plus, TSR3/4. Like I showed when I hit the TSR4 at 7.25* in this video. Even at a slower swing speed then numbers were nearly perfect...
Another great test and your ‘off strike’ probably is a bit more akin to an average golfer so demonstrating the forgiveness (or not) of the head. Keep them coming 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻⛳️🏌🏻
Appreciate the details- seems like the choice comes down to looks and mostly other subjective aspects- the Titleist sure fit hosel allows for staying within the TS and older range Titleist drivers- not sure that is the same for Stealth? Having shaft options is always an under expressed purchase value.
Thanks Jack 👍👍 and yeah pretty much that mate. The performance of these heads really are similar. But yes the TM sleeve have been the same for years now and I can't see them changing it soon so it's the same, you could change shafts and heads with them too 👌
Thanks bud. Well if I'm honest speed is a bit irrelevant. Like if I swang at my normal speed the launch and spin would still be similar and the tendancies of the head would be similar, so it basically doesn't really matter 😂 it would just go a bit further. Plus even if I did swing at my normal speed, my delivery could still be way different from yours, so the numbers I get could still be completely different to what you would get. But no doing 3 different speeds would take me forever and the videos would be mega long! 😂
Another great review Ross. I'm curious about that front weight on the standard Stealth 2, how much does it weigh and would you say it's sits directly behind a heel strike location? Tempted to go with a shorter shaft and pop a heavier weight in there.
Thanks Lloyd! And yeah...I'm not 100% sure yet! I'll have a look tomorrow and get back to you 👌 yeah it's quite in the heel tbh. Yeah well how short are you thinking of going? As the TMs standard swingweight too heavy at standard length. At 45" they would be around D1/2 which is great for most people I find so wouldn't have to worry about adding weight back in.
@epgolfstudios I usually play D4, but I can't deal with 45.75" , so I'd go 45" and add 4/5g in that heel weight...and that'll most likely be an aftermarket ebay job.That's the one thing Titleist does better than Taylormade...if you wanna go shorter they really explain their surefit weight options. I wish Taylormade could offer some heavier or lighter weights.
@@GRIFF22 yeah Taylormade aren't good at that! Even for us as fitters we can't really get weights from them. But you will also be able to get and change the weight at the back too 👍
@@GRIFF22 I play 45” myself and D4. Usually have to add 10g of weights to driver heads to get it to there. They usually come in at 194g. Need a 204g head weight to get D4 and 45”
@@epgolfstudios yes tried everything, just couldnt swing anything as fast as the cobra and so higher ball speeds and sit seemed to cut out the left side due to being able to move the 12g weight to the toe, really impressed. Feel and sound was right there with the taylormade and paradym aswell.
Sound is subjective personally love my tsr 2 best driver I've ever owned . Haven't hit the stealth 2 tried the first one and hated it numbers sound forgiveness ,everything. Only driver I would be tempted to try would be callaway paradigm
Yeah Paradym is probably my favourite so far of the new releases, looks, sounds and feel unreal, and the forgiveness of all models is so impressive, definitely worth a bash 👍👍
Probably not to be honest. We don't have accounts with these guys and we are not at the point of going out and buying stuff to do reviews, can't afford that currently. Plus got so much to do with all the other new stuff at the min, irons hybrids fairways ect
If someone’s swing was 95mph and they hit up +5, would dropping from the x stiff shaft in the TSR 4 to just the standard stiff work better? or will the x stiff still work? Thanks
Generally speaking you wouldn't go into X with someone swinging at 95mph. But we know shafts don't have a big difference to launch and spin so really it all comes down to what shaft matches you with the player better
@@epgolfstudios thanks for the reply. I’m just trying to figure out how to gain more distance from my speed. I have g430 max in hazardous black 5.5 Set at 8° but only getting 230 carry and 255total. Think spin is around 2600 launching 15.7. Would love an extra 20 yards for doing nothing extra really 🤣
@@YoYoZamolo if you want maximum possible without gaining speed then just make sure you are hitting up as much as you can. Then just make sure the head you are playing gives you low spin. Thats all you can do really. High launch and low spin equals long bombs
I'd say with a decent optimised flight you'd be looking around 235 carry, say 14 - 15* launch and 2000 backspin, and again efficiency will come into that a lot too. 250 probably is plausible but as I mention above work extreme launch conditions, almost like long driver, so like 18 - 19* launch and 1800 backspin
Ok so you need very extreme launch conditions to get 250 carry from 95 club speed. I just managed it with 95.8mph club speed on GC Quad...1.47 efficiency so 141mph ball speed. 16.7* launch and 1400 backspin got me 250 carry. Using a 7.5* Stealth 2+ and hitting 11.3* up on the ball.....but some would say quad will over read numbers like that and I would probably agree so the likelihood of getting 250 carry outside from 95 club speed is very very slim ....
hi i am 58 years old and have a swing speed 90-94 mph.....9 to 11 handicap....hit a fairly high straight ball......trying to decide on a driver and these are in the running...also i am only 5'7 tall....so i was fitted with a 44 1/2 inch regular shaft and seems to help alot....what are your thoughts on which driver might be better for me ? ( looking for distance and forgiveness )....thx ... cheers from Canada
Hi there! In all honesty you can't go wrong with either, they really are both great drivers and perform super similarly. One is not really longer or more forgiving in my opinion. The most important thing you can do is get fitted or at least try them out somewhere. People often just gel with some heads better than others, and the confidence one head may give you over the other could make a big difference.
You’re putting far too much stock in Foresight’s ball flight algorithm. It vastly exaggerates carry when spin gets down around 2,000 and lower. I own a GC2 but their flight algorithm is terrible. Nobody can carry it 264 with 148 ball speed, period. Video is well done but this is misinformation and somebody watching this with low to mid 140’s ball speed has no business with 2,000 spin. Because a high toe strike is going to turn in to 1,500 RPM and be unplayable. They’re much better off with the 2,600-2,800 spin than 2,000.
Yes it isn't the best at low spin we all know that but depending on how low the reading is it's normally only 5 yards maybe 10 yards very max at around those speeds. And yeah I wasn't necessarily saying that you should play 2k spin that would depend on lots of variables including strike and directional miss, my point was just don't think because you have lower speed you need a high lofted driver. And no i personally disagree; 26-2800 is too much at that speed. 22-2400 would be better, however there are a lot of variables to take into account there so that would be different person to person. If someone did miss high toe and left I may bump that up but if the consistent miss was a fade high right with a heel strike we could go lower
Great video, and I do agree that many higher handicap players that deliver too much loft and spin would benefit from the “better player” low spin and low loft drivers. Curious about the weight configuration you used in the tsr4. I assume you had the heavier weight towards the face. I will say, from experience, when that weight is forward in those type of drivers it does reduce the MOI and they can be less forgiving. Playing those drivers in those settings does come with a risk. Keep up the good work 🏌🏻♂️
Thanks bud. And in complete honesty I can't really remember 😂 I have tinkered with it quite a lot. The stock set up is an 11 at the front and 3 at the back I believe from memory. I generally use the 3 at the front and 13 at the back as I play it at 45" currently.
@@epgolfstudios I have the tsr2 and the weight kit and I was messing about with those to see how it impacted distance, forgiveness etc. I had set the driver aside for a while and then took it out to play and hit one of my longest drives ever with it. It sounded a little strange which I initially didn’t think too much about. I hit another great tee shot with it and then realized that I had left the weight port in the back completely empty (which was accounting for the slightly different sound). I believe the stock weight is 9 grams so I obviously changed the swing weight with the weight port left empty but I am really shocked at the distance I gained by doing that accidentally. I am going to put the lightest weight (3 grams) in there to see if it will improve the sound. It would be an interesting video to see and maybe even bring in a student and not tell them what you’ve done to the weight configuration. Thank you for your reply and your great content 🙏
I would be curious to see what they could have changed on Steaith tested it last summer good but not near my Mavrik performance and also got TSR2 which is as good as Mavrik and a little more forgiveness 🤷🏼♂️⛳️🏌🏼♂️🇨🇦
Just higher MOI I would say due to the weight saving and then re-positining of that weight in areas that advance forgiveness. I agree I never got on with Stealth, but Stealth 2 seems a good improvement! But you can't go wrong with TSR2 tbh. You wouldn't see any improvement going to Stealth 2 from TSR2
Not only do you put out some of the best objective reviews and tests, and make technical stuff entertaining and easier to understand, but you listen to your audience and take it on board. You and TXG are my go to resources. Keep on keepin on.
Really appreciate that m_blue. Thanks for the positive comment, makes it feel worthwhile 🙌
Thank you for making this great video from a golfer with a 100 mph swing speed! Your in-depth videos are simply the best! I really appreciate the time you take to do a thorough review while giving an informative, detailed explanation of the results.
Great review... love the in depth sound and feel comparison which other people gloss over if at all.
Thanks for the review!! Especially at a lower swing speed as mine is only low 90s. What’s so interesting is that I play original stealth plus at 8.25. So good to see you mention this philosophy
That's Scott 👍 yeah people get way too caught up in swing speed when really it's irrelevant. It's all about how.you deliver the club which decides what clubs are best for you
Thank you soooo much for doing 100mph test!!
Excellent review. Like the 100 mph swing speed!! Keep it up
Wonderful review and still very relevant with the price of both drivers lower by $150 to $200 with their new respective models coming out. You covered all the bases very well. With your upward angle of attack, I can see the benefits of lower loft. However, most of the guys I play with do not have a 5-6 degree upward angle of attack and benefit by more loft…..myself included. Keep up the great videos and thanks for your review!
Really enjoyed your presentation. Thanks for such a fact based and informative video.😊
Thanks for your great review, enjoyed your honest review and how each compares with similar swings.
Thanks Mark glad you enjoyed it 👍
Awesome video, I am a player that hits up on the ball a lot so have always had high launch and spin, will try some lower lofted drivers
Yes definitely Paul! Don't be put off by then being "less forgiving" it's mostly marketing! But that will definitely help 👍
Great video! I hit my XR16 around 220y carry. I guess my club head speed is around 90-95, not sure. Seeing you hit it at about the same speed but 20-30y longer is interesting. My driver is in standard settings 9,5 neutral. I'm gonna try to tee up higher and go down to 8,5, and also try to hit higher on the toe. See if I can get more yardage. Keep the vidz coming!
This is exactly my swing speed. And I don’t get that carry lol I need a fitting you will definitely see me in the new year . Amazing content again.
Thanks Steve! Yeah we can sort you out mate 👍 look forward to seeing you in the new year 🙌
@@epgolfstudios you sure will 😁
Hello, thanks for great videos, you are my favorite RUclips channel.
My swingspeed is about 90 with the driver. I play Callaway Mavrik 10,5 with a projekt x evenflow riptide 50 graphite shaft regular. My average attack angel is 2 and spin rate about 3000. Is spin rate to hight ?
Iam thinking of changing shaft, can you recommend some shaft to test ? Or other recommendations ?
Would love to see Srixon MKII irons, hybrids, woods compared to the “bigger” brands! Great stuff!
Thanks Ski! Yeah unfortunately we don't have an account with Srixon at the moment, but that might change this year 👀👀
after hitting practically every new driver manufacture on the market. I by far think these are the two best ended up going with the TSR just because I like the title list. clean look but they both performed beyond expectation
Am I the only one being bothered by the fact that he missed the opportunity to put the Stealth 2 color in RED instead of BLUE?
I love my TSR2 and the fact that it was $200Aus cheaper than the Stealth makes it even better lol…..10deg, Ventus Red 6s, swing 95-100mph….best driver I have ever owned
Thats awesome mate! Yeah cheap as chips that! For a phenomenal driver 👌 nice work
Aerojet vs Paradym next please!
It's definitely coming mate 🙌
Excellent video brilliant detail and super helpful to the majority of us golfers who are around that swing speed.....It would be great to see how the triple diamond works at those speeds ,do you think that would be a club that would help players that present a lot of dynamic loft?
Thanks Sp! Yes it would! Ultimately if you deliver too much loft you need a lower lofted head and the lower spin head design, so the Triple Diamond, Stealth 2 Plus, TSR3/4. Like I showed when I hit the TSR4 at 7.25* in this video. Even at a slower swing speed then numbers were nearly perfect...
Great thanks for the reply I am defo going to make the switch after a fitting with one of those heads
Another great test and your ‘off strike’ probably is a bit more akin to an average golfer so demonstrating the forgiveness (or not) of the head. Keep them coming 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻⛳️🏌🏻
Thanks bud 👊
Appreciate the details- seems like the choice comes down to looks and mostly other subjective aspects- the Titleist sure fit hosel allows for staying within the TS and older range Titleist drivers- not sure that is the same for Stealth? Having shaft options is always an under expressed purchase value.
Thanks Jack 👍👍 and yeah pretty much that mate. The performance of these heads really are similar. But yes the TM sleeve have been the same for years now and I can't see them changing it soon so it's the same, you could change shafts and heads with them too 👌
Excellent video👍
Thanks bud 👍
Great work!
How about review Aerojet vs TSR2 or Aerojet LS vs TSR3?
Thank you L J! Very much appreciated 👍👍 and yes I will do those videos for you as soon as I can 👍
The test I wanted to see at around 160-170mph lol but great review maybe on next comparison try 2-3 different speed ranges?
Thanks bud. Well if I'm honest speed is a bit irrelevant. Like if I swang at my normal speed the launch and spin would still be similar and the tendancies of the head would be similar, so it basically doesn't really matter 😂 it would just go a bit further. Plus even if I did swing at my normal speed, my delivery could still be way different from yours, so the numbers I get could still be completely different to what you would get. But no doing 3 different speeds would take me forever and the videos would be mega long! 😂
@EP Golf Studios yeah true good points. Anyway great content again.
@@nellynelson9387 thanks bud 👍👍
Another great review Ross. I'm curious about that front weight on the standard Stealth 2, how much does it weigh and would you say it's sits directly behind a heel strike location? Tempted to go with a shorter shaft and pop a heavier weight in there.
Thanks Lloyd! And yeah...I'm not 100% sure yet! I'll have a look tomorrow and get back to you 👌 yeah it's quite in the heel tbh. Yeah well how short are you thinking of going? As the TMs standard swingweight too heavy at standard length. At 45" they would be around D1/2 which is great for most people I find so wouldn't have to worry about adding weight back in.
@epgolfstudios I usually play D4, but I can't deal with 45.75" , so I'd go 45" and add 4/5g in that heel weight...and that'll most likely be an aftermarket ebay job.That's the one thing Titleist does better than Taylormade...if you wanna go shorter they really explain their surefit weight options. I wish Taylormade could offer some heavier or lighter weights.
@@GRIFF22 yeah Taylormade aren't good at that! Even for us as fitters we can't really get weights from them. But you will also be able to get and change the weight at the back too 👍
@@GRIFF22 I play 45” myself and D4. Usually have to add 10g of weights to driver heads to get it to there. They usually come in at 194g. Need a 204g head weight to get D4 and 45”
Reinforces the argument to get fitted....find one that looks good/inspires confidence...and get it dialed in
100% 🙌🙌🙌
Any plans for testing for the cobra aerojet? Had some really interesting results with that today
Yes 100% I will be mate 👍what did you think of it? Did you hit anything else along side it?
@@epgolfstudios yes tried everything, just couldnt swing anything as fast as the cobra and so higher ball speeds and sit seemed to cut out the left side due to being able to move the 12g weight to the toe, really impressed. Feel and sound was right there with the taylormade and paradym aswell.
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Thanks Thattrill!! 🙌🙌
Sound is subjective personally love my tsr 2 best driver I've ever owned . Haven't hit the stealth 2 tried the first one and hated it numbers sound forgiveness ,everything. Only driver I would be tempted to try would be callaway paradigm
Yeah Paradym is probably my favourite so far of the new releases, looks, sounds and feel unreal, and the forgiveness of all models is so impressive, definitely worth a bash 👍👍
any chance you will review the YONEX EZONE GT 460 Driver ? or the XXIO driver ?...cheers
Probably not to be honest. We don't have accounts with these guys and we are not at the point of going out and buying stuff to do reviews, can't afford that currently. Plus got so much to do with all the other new stuff at the min, irons hybrids fairways ect
If someone’s swing was 95mph and they hit up +5, would dropping from the x stiff shaft in the TSR 4 to just the standard stiff work better? or will the x stiff still work? Thanks
Generally speaking you wouldn't go into X with someone swinging at 95mph. But we know shafts don't have a big difference to launch and spin so really it all comes down to what shaft matches you with the player better
@@epgolfstudios thanks for the reply. I’m just trying to figure out how to gain more distance from my speed. I have g430 max in hazardous black 5.5 Set at 8° but only getting 230 carry and 255total. Think spin is around 2600 launching 15.7. Would love an extra 20 yards for doing nothing extra really 🤣
@@YoYoZamolo if you want maximum possible without gaining speed then just make sure you are hitting up as much as you can. Then just make sure the head you are playing gives you low spin. Thats all you can do really. High launch and low spin equals long bombs
Watched a review with hannah holden and with 95 club head she was carrying the ball nearly 250 with the stealth 2 hd🤔
Yeah that's plausible with the right launch conditions, would be quite extreme launch conditions though. Nice high launch and low spin and efficient
I just don't see how that is possible. When I swing at 95 mph with a launch monitor I am lucky to carry 225 max.
I'd say with a decent optimised flight you'd be looking around 235 carry, say 14 - 15* launch and 2000 backspin, and again efficiency will come into that a lot too. 250 probably is plausible but as I mention above work extreme launch conditions, almost like long driver, so like 18 - 19* launch and 1800 backspin
Ok so you need very extreme launch conditions to get 250 carry from 95 club speed. I just managed it with 95.8mph club speed on GC Quad...1.47 efficiency so 141mph ball speed. 16.7* launch and 1400 backspin got me 250 carry. Using a 7.5* Stealth 2+ and hitting 11.3* up on the ball.....but some would say quad will over read numbers like that and I would probably agree so the likelihood of getting 250 carry outside from 95 club speed is very very slim ....
hi i am 58 years old and have a swing speed 90-94 mph.....9 to 11 handicap....hit a fairly high straight ball......trying to decide on a driver and these are in the running...also i am only 5'7 tall....so i was fitted with a 44 1/2 inch regular shaft and seems to help alot....what are your thoughts on which driver might be better for me ? ( looking for distance and forgiveness )....thx ... cheers from Canada
Hi there! In all honesty you can't go wrong with either, they really are both great drivers and perform super similarly. One is not really longer or more forgiving in my opinion. The most important thing you can do is get fitted or at least try them out somewhere. People often just gel with some heads better than others, and the confidence one head may give you over the other could make a big difference.
@@epgolfstudios awesome thx for the advice...cheers
@@GOLFADDICT65 no worries 👍
You’re putting far too much stock in Foresight’s ball flight algorithm. It vastly exaggerates carry when spin gets down around 2,000 and lower. I own a GC2 but their flight algorithm is terrible. Nobody can carry it 264 with 148 ball speed, period. Video is well done but this is misinformation and somebody watching this with low to mid 140’s ball speed has no business with 2,000 spin. Because a high toe strike is going to turn in to 1,500 RPM and be unplayable. They’re much better off with the 2,600-2,800 spin than 2,000.
Yes it isn't the best at low spin we all know that but depending on how low the reading is it's normally only 5 yards maybe 10 yards very max at around those speeds. And yeah I wasn't necessarily saying that you should play 2k spin that would depend on lots of variables including strike and directional miss, my point was just don't think because you have lower speed you need a high lofted driver. And no i personally disagree; 26-2800 is too much at that speed. 22-2400 would be better, however there are a lot of variables to take into account there so that would be different person to person. If someone did miss high toe and left I may bump that up but if the consistent miss was a fade high right with a heel strike we could go lower
Stealth sounds totally dead. Not at all appealing 🤷🏼♂️👨🏻🦳⛳️🏌🏼♂️
Very subjective. Most I've spoken to prefer it that way, but some don't ...
Great video, and I do agree that many higher handicap players that deliver too much loft and spin would benefit from the “better player” low spin and low loft drivers. Curious about the weight configuration you used in the tsr4. I assume you had the heavier weight towards the face. I will say, from experience, when that weight is forward in those type of drivers it does reduce the MOI and they can be less forgiving. Playing those drivers in those settings does come with a risk. Keep up the good work 🏌🏻♂️
Thanks bud. And in complete honesty I can't really remember 😂 I have tinkered with it quite a lot. The stock set up is an 11 at the front and 3 at the back I believe from memory. I generally use the 3 at the front and 13 at the back as I play it at 45" currently.
@@epgolfstudios I have the tsr2 and the weight kit and I was messing about with those to see how it impacted distance, forgiveness etc. I had set the driver aside for a while and then took it out to play and hit one of my longest drives ever with it. It sounded a little strange which I initially didn’t think too much about. I hit another great tee shot with it and then realized that I had left the weight port in the back completely empty (which was accounting for the slightly different sound). I believe the stock weight is 9 grams so I obviously changed the swing weight with the weight port left empty but I am really shocked at the distance I gained by doing that accidentally. I am going to put the lightest weight (3 grams) in there to see if it will improve the sound. It would be an interesting video to see and maybe even bring in a student and not tell them what you’ve done to the weight configuration. Thank you for your reply and your great content 🙏
I would be curious to see what they could have changed on Steaith tested it last summer good but not near my Mavrik performance and also got TSR2 which is as good as Mavrik and a little more forgiveness 🤷🏼♂️⛳️🏌🏼♂️🇨🇦
Just higher MOI I would say due to the weight saving and then re-positining of that weight in areas that advance forgiveness. I agree I never got on with Stealth, but Stealth 2 seems a good improvement! But you can't go wrong with TSR2 tbh. You wouldn't see any improvement going to Stealth 2 from TSR2