Stop using other ppl content without mentioning the source. Its 5th time im seeing my content in other ppl videos. Im starting to strike from today. Really fed up.
Dunno - I think the great thing about Wrath is that all classes and most specs are very viable in PvP, with the only exceptions I can think of being Demo lock (since I mained one and it was my favorite class for PvE content, I know how mediocre it was in PvP) and Frostfire mages. All other classes and specs are viable. Fire and Arcane Mages have unique advantages (and ofc disadvantages) over Frost mages. Priests are very powerful (all specs), Druids, Hunters, Shamen... It all depends on comps, skills and ofc gear (and a bit of luck). The main issues I remember were pre-maids and simply being overwhelmed by much larger numbers of the opposing faction.
In 3.3.5 Arms Warriors are probably the strongest class for 2v2 in my opinion. There is nothing more demolishing than a full-stacked armor penetration Arms Warrior with Shadowmourne and double dps trinkets ( which in Wotlk are completely broken). And if the insane amount of damage is not enough, they have -75% healing reduction ( Mortal Strike+Unrelenting Assault) which makes healers look like kids on their first day at school. It’s not a surprise that warriors were at the top teams of the 2v2 ladder in almost every realm.
this is why wrath arenas will suck everyone will just roll the top s+ combos and if you're trying to have fun you will get facerolled by a hpala + warr the expansion is ridiculous lol
@@junipersages You mean the weapon you get when Cata is already out? The weapon that makes classes good at the end of the game, making it a useless upgrade unless you want to play on a dead server? Yeah, awesome.
most OP class in wotlk is the one who can clear all pve content for Overpowered trinkets and pve gear to mix with pvp gear.... or if you play Human as any class with double trinkets from pve.
@@TheComebackKids they are for sure specially for shadow priest human is disqusting one of the most annyoing classes to deal with same goes for warlocks
wow. logged in just to comment, I was surprised I mistook this video for something Skill-Capped made in terms of quality. The Comeback Kids? Not a bad name! Subscribed, keep it up this was really well done
Appreciate the compliment, and there’s no real order on this it’s just op specs. I feel like more so then vanilla and tbc every class seems good, so we will do more videos like this one!
@@TheComebackKids If i see a Vid saying Arms War OP Hpal OP Ret Pal OP Ele Sham OP Marks Hunter OP Frost mage OP Destro/aff Lock OP Sub Rogue OP at a certain point what are we really saying? DK/Druid/Priest are not OP EVERYONE ELSE IS?
Prot Warrior is the superior warrior spec in Wrath. Better burst than Arms/Fury all while having a better tool kit with silences, stuns, dispel. Definitely think Prot Warrior is one of the most OP PvP specializations with BiS gear and when played right in Wrath.
They are definitely strong with full Arp and when played correctly. However they lack MS which makes them way less competitive in high rated Arena. Still a very fun spec though :)
@@monsieurjovan Some of the highest ranked teams in Wrath had Prot's on them at 3k+ rating. Many played African Turtle Cleave so Prot doesn't need MS and can be stronger due to it's Shield Slam dispel. This is also why Man cleave is popular because Arms will MS while Prot will dispel bubbles, hots and buffs creating insane pressure on Resto/Disc. If Prot had MS instead of Dispel it wouldn't be as strong. So I feel it fits better into comps with it's tool kit and burst. People forget how badly Prot's dispel counters healers and many comps.
@@WhatIfTheories bro you clearly never seen Albino Wino Armadillo Brillo Green Moosde Guava Juice Cleave...it was S++++ super inception literal god meta
@@klonzoll3920 Can't really tell you atm, haven't played wrath in a long time, but I was a fury only player. Basically the moment you hit something like 5.2k gs you could basically beat even the Shadowmourne wielding ret Paly's. I'm currently getting back into WOTLK so I'll let you know if I strike gold with my build again.
i was over 3k rating on 2 chars in wotlk and ret paladin and warrior or deathknight warrior/ret pala were just focking deleting 2v2 teams. It was so broken that it wasn't even fun anymore
Ret paladin is by no means OP class in WOTLK. entire rotation is based on big crits - 1, 2 , 3 combo. However once resilience kicks in your life will be full of torment. Don't get me wrong, there are some comps you can still play like 2vs2 ret/Rsham, ret/frost mage or ret/destro but you will struggle to reach high competitive ratings. first two seasons it will be nice, even during relentless gladiator there was a ret/rsham comp in 2s that achieved highest rating in world for a time (2850 if I am not wrong) but 3.3.5 was really bad for rets in PVP. This is all generally speaking and there are always "but" s and "if" s. so if you don't have experience with WOTLK PvP and aim for high ratings and competitive plays think twice when it comes to Ret
Pretty much destro is mostly a pvp spec in wrath, however I do think it is pretty good during naxx! At the end of the day who knows what numbers are going to look like. Everyone said fury warriors and Arcane mages would suck in TBC and look how that turned out lol.
@@TheComebackKids I didnt play much TBC but i enjoy crit gameplay but i feel like going fire mage is like "Oh yeah of course you went fire mage..." Always been a big fan of Chaos Bolt gameplay. Do you have a tier list for best crit classes?
I cant believe that you are talking about Op classes in Wotlk and you didnt even mentioned Unholy Dk, but you put 2 casters on your list.. Im not saying that they are not good, but for the people who play this game for more then a decade including myself .. We all know that DK is absolute CASTERS Nightmare .. And ofc not only for them. UDK is for sure one of the best classes if not the most powerful in that expanssion. For me the video is ok.. like on informative stand point, but other then that ... The topic is off point.
Affli wlock is stronger than destro in most scenarios. Actually, there's very few comps where destro shines, i'd say its below average. Ofc, you can kill ppls in BGs with big crits, but you can do it with any class-spec combo. Ret pala is good, but not OP. Sub rogs are just good, same for frost mages. I'd agree, Awars (*ONLY* in last patches of WOTLK, with PVE gear), Hpalas and are clearly OP. The other classes-spec is... Dunno, maybe elems (not in 2s tho) So it makes 3 clearly OP class-spec combos. Maybe MM (last patches, pve gear), Unholy and ret\preg palas are little bit above average, but I wouldn't call em OP.
Everyone I know as warlocks are telling shits about affli calling this spec a dummy who just can be tunneled by any melee (not only melee) and works too bad on all main wotlk servers to be playable. And I saw that on a 2500-3200+ there is exactly destro realy successful and effective spec. In wich scenarios affly will perform better than destro?
@@alexandrmakarov2368 in 3s but especially in SoloQ affli can really perform great coz of insane multidot pressure in different varieties of shadow cleave (udky affli hpala, sp affli hpala, udky affli dp), but in 2s it is not good enough to gain maximum rating. It is useful only in sniping some comps. Even wlock rdru with destro can be better coz of more versatility.
Depends what are you watching. In arenas Unholy is above average with insane aoe and disrupting healers like priests and insane anti magic kit. In duels, he is least countered class which means only good paladin with same skill can defeat Unholy DK. DK is most OP class in Wotlk. , but arena wise HPal and Ele Sham can be putted above, same for warrior but in Premade, warriors need dispels otherwise he is useless
Hey Vizual, how are you man! I do respect your opinion and I’m assuming you didn’t watch the whole video or series to understand what these videos are.
@@TheComebackKids I did in fact watch the entire video. You titled the video "the most broken pvp specializations in wotlk classic". You went on to list multiple specs that are not only NOT broken, but rather bad. Click bait title is very click baity.
Where is Preg Paladins? The 4th and the best PvP spec of Paladins Where is the Spellnahement? A Melee chaman with more dps and survival than a regular one. Wtf rogues OP?? In LK??? The most useless class in high end. Nobody wants rogues in high rating or in their teams.
I wish Reckful was still alive to see the return of WOTLK :(
Rip Reckful
Stop using other ppl content without mentioning the source. Its 5th time im seeing my content in other ppl videos. Im starting to strike from today. Really fed up.
Hey sorry about that man, I will put a link to your channel, and tag you in this video!
What are ya going to strike I’m curious and how’s it been since the comment
@@TheComebackKids you only did it after he asked? 🤔
@@QMS9224 hard to fix a mistake before you do it, at least he did
Dunno - I think the great thing about Wrath is that all classes and most specs are very viable in PvP, with the only exceptions I can think of being Demo lock (since I mained one and it was my favorite class for PvE content, I know how mediocre it was in PvP) and Frostfire mages. All other classes and specs are viable. Fire and Arcane Mages have unique advantages (and ofc disadvantages) over Frost mages. Priests are very powerful (all specs), Druids, Hunters, Shamen... It all depends on comps, skills and ofc gear (and a bit of luck). The main issues I remember were pre-maids and simply being overwhelmed by much larger numbers of the opposing faction.
Dude that is like the best explanation of why wrath was amazing! Thanks for the thoughtful message!
@@TheComebackKids My pleasure. Thanks for the great content and for responding!
Wrath PVP is the best we have seen in classic so far super excited into get into the arena!
Oh yea wrath PVP is amazing!
@helloworld yup !
@helloworld Hope they'll make the cata and mop. Never played PVP on these.
In 3.3.5 Arms Warriors are probably the strongest class for 2v2 in my opinion.
There is nothing more demolishing than a full-stacked armor penetration Arms Warrior with Shadowmourne and double dps trinkets ( which in Wotlk are completely broken).
And if the insane amount of damage is not enough, they have -75% healing reduction ( Mortal Strike+Unrelenting Assault) which makes healers look like kids on their first day at school.
It’s not a surprise that warriors were at the top teams of the 2v2 ladder in almost every realm.
Yes warriors will end the expansion on top I’m sure! Just might have a toughish beginning!
Yup exactly, I'm surprised at the claims of "balance" because any class with Shadowmourne just destroyed people. Arms warriors were the most deadly
this is why wrath arenas will suck everyone will just roll the top s+ combos and if you're trying to have fun you will get facerolled by a hpala + warr the expansion is ridiculous lol
@@junipersages You mean the weapon you get when Cata is already out? The weapon that makes classes good at the end of the game, making it a useless upgrade unless you want to play on a dead server?
Yeah, awesome.
most OP class in wotlk is the one who can clear all pve content for Overpowered trinkets and pve gear to mix with pvp gear.... or if you play Human as any class with double trinkets from pve.
Yikes, that’s true those pve trinkets are disgusting huh?
@@TheComebackKids they are for sure specially for shadow priest human is disqusting one of the most annyoing classes to deal with same goes for warlocks
wow. logged in just to comment, I was surprised I mistook this video for something Skill-Capped made in terms of quality.
The Comeback Kids? Not a bad name! Subscribed, keep it up this was really well done
Oh crap man thank you so much for the awesome content I really appreciate that!
What a legend. Can’t wait to play with you!
Yeah skyy is such a legend YIKES
Oh yeah, we’re all hopping into that FRESH SOON
For my alt main I’m torn between DK or shadow priest. Sp seems like a cool option
Shadow is NICE
Excited for fresh servers woohoo! 👽🐩🧡
FRESH is the way!
Yep! Didn't play tbc classic cos there were no fresh realms. Wrath fresh is gonna be so gud!
I cant wait to bring my prot pally and blood dk into bgs and be an unkillable flag carrier
Oh hell yeah Ray lets gooooo
Let’s gooooo the last one was great can’t wait to see this one
Thanks man yeah we are looking forward to share more content with you all.
Unholy dk ftw!
No mention of spriest?
Gasp.
Oh don’t worry my main is Spriest we are going to make another episode of this!
The highest rated team in 2s was lumberjack Cleve warrior restrp druid. Cyclone made it better.
Lumberjack cleave huh, I can see that
Replace ele shaman with lock and frost mage with marks hunter. Trust me don't sleep on hunter they are top 5 hands down.
Great quality on video BTW:)
Appreciate the compliment, and there’s no real order on this it’s just op specs. I feel like more so then vanilla and tbc every class seems good, so we will do more videos like this one!
@@TheComebackKids
If i see a Vid saying
Arms War OP
Hpal OP
Ret Pal OP
Ele Sham OP
Marks Hunter OP
Frost mage OP
Destro/aff Lock OP
Sub Rogue OP
at a certain point what are we really saying? DK/Druid/Priest are not OP EVERYONE ELSE IS?
put some respect on the wotlk firemage, it was INSANE
It will be insane for sure!
Prot Warrior is the superior warrior spec in Wrath. Better burst than Arms/Fury all while having a better tool kit with silences, stuns, dispel. Definitely think Prot Warrior is one of the most OP PvP specializations with BiS gear and when played right in Wrath.
Hey I most certainly remember Swifty destroying people as prot!
They are definitely strong with full Arp and when played correctly. However they lack MS which makes them way less competitive in high rated Arena. Still a very fun spec though :)
@@monsieurjovan Some of the highest ranked teams in Wrath had Prot's on them at 3k+ rating. Many played African Turtle Cleave so Prot doesn't need MS and can be stronger due to it's Shield Slam dispel. This is also why Man cleave is popular because Arms will MS while Prot will dispel bubbles, hots and buffs creating insane pressure on Resto/Disc.
If Prot had MS instead of Dispel it wouldn't be as strong. So I feel it fits better into comps with it's tool kit and burst. People forget how badly Prot's dispel counters healers and many comps.
@@WhatIfTheories bro you clearly never seen Albino Wino Armadillo Brillo Green Moosde Guava Juice Cleave...it was S++++ super inception literal god meta
Disc priest Trumps Holy pally every time, because MD
Yes we will be covering other op specs in the next episode!
Unpopular opinion Fury warrior is pretty amazing in PVP if built correctly
I think you could be correct, I also think by late wrath they will simply just do way more damage then anyone can handle!
And what is the correct build?
@@klonzoll3920 Can't really tell you atm, haven't played wrath in a long time, but I was a fury only player.
Basically the moment you hit something like 5.2k gs you could basically beat even the Shadowmourne wielding ret Paly's.
I'm currently getting back into WOTLK so I'll let you know if I strike gold with my build again.
@@RAZORlukic hahah man nice jokes
@@klonzoll3920 Every spec can be viable so maybe hes not joking :D Im actually gonna test demo lock in wotlk
You forgot Afflic and Resto Druid
Don’t worry this series isn’t over!
i was over 3k rating on 2 chars in wotlk and ret paladin and warrior or deathknight warrior/ret pala were just focking deleting 2v2 teams. It was so broken that it wasn't even fun anymore
Oh wow 3k rated back in wrath huh, and on 2 classes yikes that would have made you the best player in the world back at that time.
Ret paladin is by no means OP class in WOTLK. entire rotation is based on big crits - 1, 2 , 3 combo. However once resilience kicks in your life will be full of torment. Don't get me wrong, there are some comps you can still play like 2vs2 ret/Rsham, ret/frost mage or ret/destro but you will struggle to reach high competitive ratings. first two seasons it will be nice, even during relentless gladiator there was a ret/rsham comp in 2s that achieved highest rating in world for a time (2850 if I am not wrong) but 3.3.5 was really bad for rets in PVP. This is all generally speaking and there are always "but" s and "if" s. so if you don't have experience with WOTLK PvP and aim for high ratings and competitive plays think twice when it comes to Ret
Yeah your right
Ive been told Destro is actually very bad this xpac (at least for PVE) is this true and its actually just good for PVP?
Pretty much destro is mostly a pvp spec in wrath, however I do think it is pretty good during naxx! At the end of the day who knows what numbers are going to look like. Everyone said fury warriors and Arcane mages would suck in TBC and look how that turned out lol.
@@TheComebackKids I didnt play much TBC but i enjoy crit gameplay but i feel like going fire mage is like "Oh yeah of course you went fire mage..." Always been a big fan of Chaos Bolt gameplay. Do you have a tier list for best crit classes?
I want to say 2v2 destro and retri pala is very good comp
I can see that! Will for sure be checking that one out!
Pally has hand in tbc
Well that’s true actually
Where is the feral?
In stealth;)
Damn come on Skyy no love for my class!
We will get there more classes incoming!
Combat pvp was some serious scary thing at wotlk
Oh yeah I think Combat is going to be a sleeper spec in pvp!
What is that buff and debug add-on on hp bars
Hey Melvin, I have a whole video dedicated to my add ons coming out shortly!
@@TheComebackKids ty
Unholy DK is still my fave in PVP.
Unholy SLAPS!
Frost Mage+Disco Priest
Fight me.
It’s a really good comp let me tell you
Do u suggest ret pala and rogue for 2v2 ?
I mean it’s doable I guess but won’t be top tier!
You Forget King of PvP MM Hunter ^^
Ooof big true problem is that’s one of my favorite classes. Got to keep it on the DL
Its funny that more than 50% of classes are op in your opinion
That’s the point isn’t it!
Where to get this pplating addon ?
Curse forge
@@TheComebackKids but how is it called
most broken class is death knight
Yeah you could be right!
No1 mentions DK and its super OP. It's weird
an average Arcane Mage delete all of this specs in that video ez.
So you are saying you are an arcane mage main huh!
I love how you didn't mention any of the truly broken specs......
Hey, we’re doing this as a series and will be talking about more of the broken specs soon!
don’t be shy tell us what they are
surge deathblade is cool
A lost ark player I see
Idk about this top list, Dk is not even here and most OP class is Holy Paladin??, Disc Priest is a lil bit stronger
Hey Edisson, this is a series watch part 2!
I cant believe that you are talking about Op classes in Wotlk and you didnt even mentioned Unholy Dk, but you put 2 casters on your list.. Im not saying that they are not good, but for the people who play this game for more then a decade including myself .. We all know that DK is absolute CASTERS Nightmare .. And ofc not only for them. UDK is for sure one of the best classes if not the most powerful in that expanssion. For me the video is ok.. like on informative stand point, but other then that ... The topic is off point.
Check out part 2! Youll be really happy to see it!
Dk is not that powerful, no good arena comps look at warmane top50 2s comps, sorry but no DK, dk is good but for duels,
@@helef723 lol, how about uh dk + holy pal?
@@bartoszbednarczyk928 znajdz taki comp w top 50 na warmane. Niema ich bo za duzo osob ich bije
What is with feral instant heals and clone? xD oh okay no need this spell in arena and duels
That feral boy!
End game prot warrior can 2 shot every one in game
Yikesssssss yeah they can!
Affli wlock is stronger than destro in most scenarios. Actually, there's very few comps where destro shines, i'd say its below average. Ofc, you can kill ppls in BGs with big crits, but you can do it with any class-spec combo.
Ret pala is good, but not OP.
Sub rogs are just good, same for frost mages.
I'd agree, Awars (*ONLY* in last patches of WOTLK, with PVE gear), Hpalas and are clearly OP. The other classes-spec is... Dunno, maybe elems (not in 2s tho) So it makes 3 clearly OP class-spec combos.
Maybe MM (last patches, pve gear), Unholy and ret\preg palas are little bit above average, but I wouldn't call em OP.
Hey man thanks for the well thought out video, do you play warmane?
Everyone I know as warlocks are telling shits about affli calling this spec a dummy who just can be tunneled by any melee (not only melee) and works too bad on all main wotlk servers to be playable. And I saw that on a 2500-3200+ there is exactly destro realy successful and effective spec. In wich scenarios affly will perform better than destro?
@@alexandrmakarov2368 in 3s but especially in SoloQ affli can really perform great coz of insane multidot pressure in different varieties of shadow cleave (udky affli hpala, sp affli hpala, udky affli dp), but in 2s it is not good enough to gain maximum rating.
It is useful only in sniping some comps. Even wlock rdru with destro can be better coz of more versatility.
destro is great in 2v2 and 3v3 with the right comps, I think you're wrong in that.
Depends what are you watching. In arenas Unholy is above average with insane aoe and disrupting healers like priests and insane anti magic kit. In duels, he is least countered class which means only good paladin with same skill can defeat Unholy DK.
DK is most OP class in Wotlk. , but arena wise HPal and Ele Sham can be putted above, same for warrior but in Premade, warriors need dispels otherwise he is useless
No ele sham? You're trolling
Ele shaman was part one of this video!
@@TheComebackKids Oh, gotcha. I was like no way he did not include this in a top 5 pvp spec's lmao
@@newwavesnippets yea I thought the same lol!
So this is what it looks like when someone thinks they know what they're talking about.. LOL
Hey DM would love to know what your opinions are!
Would love to hear some of your different opinions to talk about some of the things you feel differently about
mm hunter > destro lock
Well ok
haha you have no idea what are you talking about, where is your death knight? is top 3 pvp
Hey what’s up Zabixxx, this video is in no particular order, and is meant to be a series. Watch part 2 Death Knight is there!
rogue top of the list most op
True
Anyone knows the nameplate that warlock is using? I've been looking for it everywhere
His channel is Nibbai, he has a video with his addons,nameplates, ect
Was about to say the same, good call!
Was about to say the same, good call!
What Kooms said!
What Kooms said!
SHHHtrongest PvP....
Hell yeah brother
You lost most real pvpers when you said Ret pally is OP lol. It's pretty clear you've never pvped at a high level.
Hey Vizual, how are you man! I do respect your opinion and I’m assuming you didn’t watch the whole video or series to understand what these videos are.
@@TheComebackKids I did in fact watch the entire video.
You titled the video "the most broken pvp specializations in wotlk classic".
You went on to list multiple specs that are not only NOT broken, but rather bad.
Click bait title is very click baity.
Where is Preg Paladins? The 4th and the best PvP spec of Paladins
Where is the Spellnahement? A Melee chaman with more dps and survival than a regular one.
Wtf rogues OP?? In LK??? The most useless class in high end. Nobody wants rogues in high rating or in their teams.
We are going to be doing more videos in this series for sure! I take it your a warmane player?
Oh yikes, how many years have you been playing wrath on private servers?
Tell me you’re a Warmane player without telling me you’re a Warmane player.
Rogue is insane in wrath 🐒
@@ElduCraft everything is insane in wrath bro
ARMS WARRIOR GO BRRRRRRRRRR
Arms is SCARY!