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Please WillE, dont accept World of Warships sponsorships, i say this as someone who played that game for years and had to walk away because of the scummy practices of the company. This is by no means a comprehensive list of the things that they do, but they straight up scam the playerbase for money, it got so bad at one point that a huge section of their community contributor program had a walkout, and abandoned it because they could no longer stand their scummy business practices and horrible treatment of players and contributors alike. Look into it yourself ofcourse, but the things they have done makes Blizzard seem like boyscouts.
@@toffeelatte6042 It's not, it's a desktop PC game, if it was just another mobile game i wouldn't have an issue with it. But they take it even further than normal scummy games, for example. Instead of releasing loot boxes filled with crap and a few good things with terrible odds of getting them, they release loot boxes with terrible things and a few good things... with NO odds of getting them, as in it's LITERALLY impossible to get the good thing, until you've spent hundreds or even thousands of dollars to get ALL the shit items first. Meanwhile marketing the entier thing without any mention of such things. That's just one thing, they have been scamming their playerbase and outright lying and gaslighting them for YEARS. I'm all for advertising mobile games and earning a quick buck or whatever, i am NOT ok with advertising for companies that straight up scams their playerbase.
World of Warships, World of Tanks, etc. were recently proven to have a system in place which matches you against higher skilled players until you made a Purchase. A Pro player has proven that recently, I need to look for the series again. This game is a cash grab and as long as you support it, I will unsubscribe. Sorry, will I love you videos and your content but I will not support mental traps for people who think they just enjoy a game.
@@selntak If you're talking about performance, it usually doesn't. That's the joke, because the spec is braindead easy to play and still do ridiculous damage... So you can be messed up, and still succeed.
As someone who mained rogue in wrath through to realm first 25lk, I can 10000% confirm that assassination is the IRL consumable spec. Such a simple rotation but actually feels fun
@@Wheatybic Thats why they hopped servers and took it on Frostmourne after Dath'remar, I stayed on dath And by your logic is realm first in wrath classic gonna mean anything? not really
Hey mate coming from an enhancement shaman I have the fear that I get bored really quick with rouge. Just wanted something new I ve never played and leveling him right now. Do you say the rotation is super simple? Or is there room for min maxing inside of it?
Here's the macro to cancel the threat transfer from tricks of the trade when you're using it on someone for the DPS increase. /run local p="player" for i=1,40 do if(select(11,UnitBuff(p,i))==59628)then CancelUnitBuff(p,i)end end /cast [@recipientname] Tricks of the Trade
@@yeetdeets There are some protected functions in regard to the WoW-API, but this doesn't include basic constructs. Would make it very inconvenient for addon authors being unable to use if/else
The main reason why the rogue was really strong in hardmode progression back then was the mix of S-tier damage and extremely low damage taken values. Feint is the real deal. It makes a big difference when you are really high in damage, even #1 in some cases, and at the same time have 90% less damage taken than the rest of the raid. It's quite possible to get 100% feint uptime as an assa rogue, at the cost of a few dps of course... but hardly worth mentioning. if you don't spam a feint, you are of course always #1 :)
Getting kill me please on combat back as the ability you actually choose should be fun. I remember using it in Cata to kill someone trying to fly away on a mount chasing them through the air until it dismounts them, then using the legendary dagger effect to save myself with the slowfall as they fell to their death over SW.
I appreciate that you never mentioned sub having any niche in pve whatsoever, since it's still beyond trash there finally someone who isn't calling assassination a meme spec
Guys if you go for PVE Rogue-COMBAT in WOTLK classic for Alliance side bis endgame is wotlk race is Nightelf (Increased Agillity-the most important stats,you have Shadowmeld racial+vanish so you can use extra potion of speed on long fight durations like Lich King 25 HC fight and Halion),For the Horde side its really similar if you go for max stats build ORC is the best burst DPS for Rogue but this is so important ive been testing a lot of years and seems like Troll is BIS for endgame content,Berserking racial is really important the more haste u have more energy you gain and ofc for the long fight durations are the most important thing about the trolls berserking makes the difference on the DPS,this is all min max combarable things , the thing is to know your class how to manage cds and rotations ,you can also play in alliance Human as well im not saying its big difference but Nightelfs are bis for endgame also the same situation in the horde side ofc you can go ORC.I prefer this to the PVE players that are going to play hard and really competetive endgame content for WOTLK CLASSIC. Professions for MAX PVE PERFORMANCE:(you can go JWC+ENGI the most played combo or you can go TAILOR+ENGI combo a lot of HC endgame players prefer the tailoring back enchant 400 attack power proc, it really makes the difference between the burst of an JWC+ENGI and TAIL+ENGI rogue,As i mentioned before this is all small things when you assume all things Rogue combat is really RNG class in WOTLK)You can check guides for Combat Rogues there is Rupture and there is Eviscerate builds all depends what style you want to play.(Eviscerate is easier build for endgame and can make really big numbers,Rupture is kinda RNG you add + one spell to track on the rotation so it makes a bit difference and harder to play but also makes huge single target dmg,make sure you select the proper Glyphs for each spec.) I hope this will help to the players who are about to play WOTLK CLASSIC ROGUES.
loving this series, tho you started with the 2 classes that i dont play!. i remember everything about the demon from wrath and still, im looking forwards for that video. keep the good work!
Thank you so much Will, this video has made me so excited for the game, something which I haven't had for years! Great video with very fine detail! Cheers mate, you got a new sub and I look forward to new videos!
I've been experimenting with Mutilate spec while leveling my rogue in TBC and honestly I think it has potential. Envenom is doing crazy damage and is a huge portion when I kill a target. I feel like there's a disconnect between your points of "Now poisons will actually do damage" and "Now envenom won't remove your poisons and kill your dps". Otherwise solid video.
Mutilate ist useless in TBC. Im a Full SWP geared Rogue and my poisons dont even do 1% of my overall dmg on brutallus which is because they dont scale with ap in tbc. Just the baseline dmg ist okay (not enormous. just okay). A very well played and geared Mutilate wont come even close to a bad played combat in tbc.
Love the vids! I’m gonna be rolling mage in wrath. When you do your mage video can you talk about if its possible to main fire spec from the start or are you just never gonna get a raid/dungeon invite cause your not “meta” and starting as arcane
Possible? Yes. It's pretty meh though. You can go Fire from the very beginning, it's still viable, but it will do worse damage than Arcane at first. Arcane doesn't have very high gear requirements, wheareas Fire DPS will not be great until you have enough crit to start throwing instant pyros left and right. Personally I will just stay Arcane until I have the gear, because I think Fire isn't that much fun to play if I don't crit enough. If you are min-maxing, the point where it's truly worth switching is when you have the Ulduar 4-piece set bonus. But even before that you can do pretty good damage if you adapt your gear towards more crit.
The beauty of Tricks of the Trade is that the Rogue can decide to cancel the aura that gives threat to the ability. So I can decide to regular Tricks the Trade my tank and have him jump up in threat, or Tricks a dps and immediately cancel the buff that increases threat(but they still maintain the dmg buff). OR!!!!!! I take bids for what dps wants to buy my tricks. ...just sayin Edit/PS: Combat Rogue BiS Ulduar through ICC... I'll eat crow if not :)
The assassination pvp spec was preferred for RLS back in the day, can actually see it quite a bit in MLG tourneys here on RUclips. have no clue how that stacks up with current knowledge of the game as I don’t pay attention to private servers.
Great video Will! The new intro is awesome! Really really well done. Just got my rogue to 70 that will be my main for the remainder of TBC and in Wrath as well. How did you know I popped irl consumables during raid? 🤣
Ulduar tier 4-set-bonus is actually making Rupture ticks to crit, making it actually worth to use. That setbonus got changed later in some expansion where most dots became able to crit in baseline, and isn't archieved properly.
i seem to remember hunger for blood only working off your bleed and stacking 3 times for a total of 15% so if u accidentally let rupture fall off the target u would lose the buff and since it has a 30 second cd it takes 1:30 to stack it back again
That's one of the very first versions, I think the way it worked was it costs 30 energy to use, stacks up to 3 times and refunds the energy cost if your target is bleeding. You would stack it up pre-pull and then refresh it before it drops during the fight, it was also during the early Master Poisoner version that granted you 100% DP proc chance instead of not consuming DP.
A little info you missed with tricks of the trade, you can cast the ability and then click the threat generating buff off yourself while the target keeps the damage buff.
Hey WillE, can I ask - Where did you get that talent tree specialization for combat rogue? I am trying to find the most optimal talent tree specialization. Was wondering if there is a way to find top parsers talent tree if there is a website or something?
I always liked the fantasy of being an assassin since the game I played before wow was Ragnarok Online and played a thief and later an assassin, even If I began to play on TBC I played that tree.
I have 2 rogues in tbc because I strictly arena on them both for fun. I plan on playing in wrath but unsure which to main. I have a night elf and a human. I know nelf has been primarily troll but I wanna know if for double dps.. would it be better than human. If shadowmeld drops combat can I macro it to stealth in wotlk for a free vanish? Or would overall human be better?
Even though I always end up maining heals, I have a huge soft spot for stealth classes. Since apparently I'm playing WotLK Classic now, instead of going back to my usual and rolling a paly healer, I'm running with rogue this time. It's the class I started with in TBC when I first played WoW, and I've missed it.
Rogue is the only class I haven't leveled yet in the game so far, guess I'll be in for a treat when I get that urge to go level again in Wrath! Thanks again for the info!
I played a rogue on a private server (vanilla plus) and had the most fun out of any class I've tried. Unfortunately the server made it impossible to play melee classes late game, or else I'd still be playing.
Man listen, when I played Wrath on release, I finally switched from War\Priest in 2s to Rogue\Priest and got to 1800 in 2 weeks and 2k in 4 weeks lol, good times
1. Threat in wotk wasnt an issue as long as your tank was at least semi competent 2. Rogues would usually ToTT each other, if there was only one rogue you would get spammed by all dps classes for TOTT 3. vigor was pretty bad as a talent unless you were bad at managing energy. if that was the case you were just better off rolling arcane mage and press two buttons 4. vigor worked with vanish, and vanish as a skill was more often than not an offensive skill (gives immunity for around a second after use and lets you ignore certain mechanics that are supposed to kill or stun you - eg. putricide fight) 5. Combat pulls ahead of assassination only once you get enough ARP, otherwise for most of the expansion assassination was slightly better 6. Conqueror's 1st bonus was super jacked for assasination, and it was BIS-ish to mix it in with t9, then t10 was super good. 13% 3CP was basically meant 0,45 CP each time you do a finishing move so that promoted finishing with 4 whenever you landed on it instead of going to 5cp before finishing. 7. Rogues were really good throughout the wotlk Also they need to bring elitist jerks back for wotlk remake ;) edit: and remember to be IMBA ;)
You can tricks someone giving them the dmg buff then cancel the threat transfer buff off yourself. They get the full buff and you only transfer threat from that 1 auto.
Huhu do assasination Rouges share gear (daggers) with subtlety? So that you could enjoy both a little bit of both PVP and PVE instead of for example if you play combat and have to farm two complete sets of weapon?
So is combat daggers still viable in wrath? I used it in phase 1 and 2 and out dps every rogue i raided or ran dungeons with. It always seems combat daggers is left out but is still really good early expac.
i´ve gotta say, for pvp at least my experience, you always went Muti/prep build i dont remember exactly the point distribution but it was around 46/3/22 to get obviously mutilate and preparation, and god it was so fucking good
Raid geared combat rogues in pvp during the last tier are just insane. Can cheap shot, expose armor and killing spree and almost anything will die with no further input
Well 2 min cd+ if someone near target it wouldnt hurt that much. Shadowdance is more practical with lesser cd. Tho anyway rogue is least played class of Wotlk, by ironforge metrics.
I Played Rogue in Wrath and your expectations for Assassination in raids is pretty much spot on from what i remember. we had 3 rogues in our ICC HC 25 team, 2 combat rogues and me, They would beat me on cleave ofc. but my ST damage was insane (kept up with a fire mage who was insanely geared) I think my plan is the same this time around :D
I actually had a rogue alt in wotlk. It was fun, I got around 2,2k in arena and had fun in raids. What I did not have fun with was the grind for the FUCKING ICC ARPEN TRINKET... fuck that shit.
I'm so glad WoWlogs changed ToT. Imagine how bad parsing would be if you chained one person ToT like so many people will. Now the dmg from ToT is put on the rogues.
This was the last current xpac I actually played, and even then I only started after ICC came out lol As others said Assassination was definitely viable in pvp, I don't think I ever touched sub and had a pretty good time in 2s with a ret pally (probably capped out around 2.3-2.4k). I ended up making a dozen or so fraps videos with my buddy on ventrillo I revisit every few years to remember the good times
I’ve got my combat rogue and my sub rogue looking forward to some LK shenanigans. I ran my combat rogue as assassin spec for about a month, since I had better daggers than swords, it was pretty lousy though. Looking forward to it being a viable spec.
was a warrior main in wotlk but leveled up a rogue never once did i think it was a waste my favorite was the Professor Putricide fight in icc just for the part where you can vanish (and mages could blink through) his raid wide stun and go off on him. (hope warrior vid is next)
Tbh that assa spec you showed really isn't that great before ToC. Even up till late Ulduar using the envenom spec does alot more damage than actually using Rupture. You basicly go 51 Assa, 13 combat and 7 sub going 5x relentless strikes and 2x opportunity. All you do is keep up SnD, HFB, spam Mutliate and use Envenom on 4-5 combat points. It's so simple, but generates so much energy and allows you to keep on Envenom buff almost 100%.
Cant wait for the warlock changes. Also im amazed by the amount of good changes blizz back then from TBC to Wotlk, unlike the current blizz and the lazy "new" talents we are getting in Dragonflight
So excited for this expansion because I literally played every single PTR patch there was and I know how buggy this game was at the launch and if they don’t fix the rogues and the mages and the death knights it is going to be a complete hellfire
Lowkey I think he did that because it was bugged in Warmane for a very long time and 1 point got you the 100%. Maybe he copy pasted the build off their forums and thought people just run around with 33%.
5:30 that's actually false. Energy regeneration beneffited by haste was a thing in cataclysm and onwards. before that, haste only affected melee speed weapon xd
@@colinhobbs7265 nope. again, before cataclysm, energy regeneration for rogues and druids was a fixed number which could be modified by a certain amount throught talents, and those talents has not anything to do with haste like at all. again you can check talent calculators and formulas for Woltk and TBC and you can see that haste doesn't have anything to do with energy regeneration.
@@luckiness9500 You might want to read the combat and assasination talent trees. Haste = more auto attacks = more chances to crit = more chances to proc your talent that restores energy.
@@brandonkruse6412 Yup, its a indirect haste = more energy. While Cata was a direct haste = more energy. IDK why this dude doesnt understand direct/indirect
@@Ao2BairdTUR bullshit, what the fk with this indirect/direct = more haste nonsense? it's not the same formula wise if you want to talk in tecnical terms xd
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Please WillE, dont accept World of Warships sponsorships, i say this as someone who played that game for years and had to walk away because of the scummy practices of the company.
This is by no means a comprehensive list of the things that they do, but they straight up scam the playerbase for money, it got so bad at one point that a huge section of their community contributor program had a walkout, and abandoned it because they could no longer stand their scummy business practices and horrible treatment of players and contributors alike. Look into it yourself ofcourse, but the things they have done makes Blizzard seem like boyscouts.
daily remider : no one likes rogues
@@rianabi12 its a mobile game they're all the same and virtually everyone knows these practices, let the man collect his bag.
@@toffeelatte6042 It's not, it's a desktop PC game, if it was just another mobile game i wouldn't have an issue with it. But they take it even further than normal scummy games, for example.
Instead of releasing loot boxes filled with crap and a few good things with terrible odds of getting them, they release loot boxes with terrible things and a few good things... with NO odds of getting them, as in it's LITERALLY impossible to get the good thing, until you've spent hundreds or even thousands of dollars to get ALL the shit items first. Meanwhile marketing the entier thing without any mention of such things.
That's just one thing, they have been scamming their playerbase and outright lying and gaslighting them for YEARS.
I'm all for advertising mobile games and earning a quick buck or whatever, i am NOT ok with advertising for companies that straight up scams their playerbase.
World of Warships, World of Tanks, etc. were recently proven to have a system in place which matches you against higher skilled players until you made a Purchase. A Pro player has proven that recently, I need to look for the series again. This game is a cash grab and as long as you support it, I will unsubscribe. Sorry, will I love you videos and your content but I will not support mental traps for people who think they just enjoy a game.
Also dont forget the most important glyph! The one that lets you sprint on water!
Hey WilliE love your consistent effort to bring us quality content over the last few years. Can't wait to see the classes I play on this series!
its not like wotlk and youtube is the biggest business in the world right
Can’t believe I’ve been watching you since classic and now wrath. Keep up the good job WillE
Apsolutely love this series - can always see how much effort has gone into each video! fantastic!
Seeing the progress of your editing skills since the original Classic class videos until now has been a treat. Great work as always!!
"If you like to pop real life consumables if you know what I mean"... This got me way more than it should have. gg
Am i the only one that didnt get that? you mean like energy drinks or something ?
@@selntak He's subtly referring to 'chemicals' that you 'consume' for fun.
@@unlearningify how does that help in raid though? 🤔
@@selntak If you're talking about performance, it usually doesn't. That's the joke, because the spec is braindead easy to play and still do ridiculous damage...
So you can be messed up, and still succeed.
@@unlearningify ok looks like I'm so braindead that I couldn't get that, that this is the spec for me. Thank you for clearing it up
As someone who mained rogue in wrath through to realm first 25lk, I can 10000% confirm that assassination is the IRL consumable spec. Such a simple rotation but actually feels fun
+1
realm first literally doesnt mean anything when majority of servers had one guild progging lmao
Pve assasination is my favorite. Even with bad gear if your rotation is tight you can do so much damage single target.
@@Wheatybic Thats why they hopped servers and took it on Frostmourne after Dath'remar, I stayed on dath
And by your logic is realm first in wrath classic gonna mean anything? not really
Hey mate coming from an enhancement shaman I have the fear that I get bored really quick with rouge. Just wanted something new I ve never played and leveling him right now. Do you say the rotation is super simple? Or is there room for min maxing inside of it?
Here's the macro to cancel the threat transfer from tricks of the trade when you're using it on someone for the DPS increase.
/run local p="player" for i=1,40 do if(select(11,UnitBuff(p,i))==59628)then CancelUnitBuff(p,i)end end
/cast [@recipientname] Tricks of the Trade
Are if/else clauses in macros still enabled in the game though?
@@yeetdeets Why shouldn't they? It's valid LUA code
@@yeetdeets There are some protected functions in regard to the WoW-API, but this doesn't include basic constructs. Would make it very inconvenient for addon authors being unable to use if/else
I imagine this is a macro used on the 3.3.5 client, wotlk will be on the current 9.0 client so it will prob not work.
Oh yeah I forgot the macro API is different from 3.3 to legion classic client... Might not work then or need some tweaking
The main reason why the rogue was really strong in hardmode progression back then was the mix of S-tier damage and extremely low damage taken values. Feint is the real deal. It makes a big difference when you are really high in damage, even #1 in some cases, and at the same time have 90% less damage taken than the rest of the raid. It's quite possible to get 100% feint uptime as an assa rogue, at the cost of a few dps of course... but hardly worth mentioning. if you don't spam a feint, you are of course always #1 :)
Getting kill me please on combat back as the ability you actually choose should be fun. I remember using it in Cata to kill someone trying to fly away on a mount chasing them through the air until it dismounts them, then using the legendary dagger effect to save myself with the slowfall as they fell to their death over SW.
what dagger effect? killing spree right ? :)
Love the advertisement in the "The Rogue" chapter :D Baited me for sure xD Nice video - I guess - haven't even watched the first 5mins so far :>
These vids are great, watching all of them while i wait for hunter guide to come out
Alliance T9 Rogue set is one of my all-time favorite looks!
SUSSY BAKKA
15:20 talking about assassination rogue while showing combat gameplay?
Waiting patiently while checking once an hour for the new videos in this series
Great video mate. Ill be maining a rogue in wrath and found this very helpful. Cheers
I appreciate that you never mentioned sub having any niche in pve whatsoever, since it's still beyond trash there
finally someone who isn't calling assassination a meme spec
Great video ! I will say in TBC we had a nature dmg build rouge who killed people with crazy poison dmg!
Guys if you go for PVE Rogue-COMBAT in WOTLK classic for Alliance side bis endgame is wotlk race is Nightelf (Increased Agillity-the most important stats,you have Shadowmeld racial+vanish so you can use extra potion of speed on long fight durations like Lich King 25 HC fight and Halion),For the Horde side its really similar if you go for max stats build ORC is the best burst DPS for Rogue but this is so important ive been testing a lot of years and seems like Troll is BIS for endgame content,Berserking racial is really important the more haste u have more energy you gain and ofc for the long fight durations are the most important thing about the trolls berserking makes the difference on the DPS,this is all min max combarable things , the thing is to know your class how to manage cds and rotations ,you can also play in alliance Human as well im not saying its big difference but Nightelfs are bis for endgame also the same situation in the horde side ofc you can go ORC.I prefer this to the PVE players that are going to play hard and really competetive endgame content for WOTLK CLASSIC.
Professions for MAX PVE PERFORMANCE:(you can go JWC+ENGI the most played combo or you can go TAILOR+ENGI combo a lot of HC endgame players prefer the tailoring back enchant 400 attack power proc, it really makes the difference between the burst of an JWC+ENGI and TAIL+ENGI rogue,As i mentioned before this is all small things when you assume all things Rogue combat is really RNG class in WOTLK)You can check guides for Combat Rogues there is Rupture and there is Eviscerate builds all depends what style you want to play.(Eviscerate is easier build for endgame and can make really big numbers,Rupture is kinda RNG you add + one spell to track on the rotation so it makes a bit difference and harder to play but also makes huge single target dmg,make sure you select the proper Glyphs for each spec.)
I hope this will help to the players who are about to play WOTLK CLASSIC ROGUES.
loving this series, tho you started with the 2 classes that i dont play!. i remember everything about the demon from wrath and still, im looking forwards for that video. keep the good work!
Thank you so much Will, this video has made me so excited for the game, something which I haven't had for years! Great video with very fine detail! Cheers mate, you got a new sub and I look forward to new videos!
i love these! thank you wille
These WoW content videos need some more credit. 🙏😎
Another amazing vid from my favorite WoW content creator. Thanks for all the videos that keep us all informed and entertained
I've been experimenting with Mutilate spec while leveling my rogue in TBC and honestly I think it has potential. Envenom is doing crazy damage and is a huge portion when I kill a target. I feel like there's a disconnect between your points of "Now poisons will actually do damage" and "Now envenom won't remove your poisons and kill your dps". Otherwise solid video.
Mutilate ist useless in TBC. Im a Full SWP geared Rogue and my poisons dont even do 1% of my overall dmg on brutallus which is because they dont scale with ap in tbc. Just the baseline dmg ist okay (not enormous. just okay). A very well played and geared Mutilate wont come even close to a bad played combat in tbc.
Its useless in tbc, in wrath its good
Love the vids! I’m gonna be rolling mage in wrath. When you do your mage video can you talk about if its possible to main fire spec from the start or are you just never gonna get a raid/dungeon invite cause your not “meta” and starting as arcane
Possible? Yes. It's pretty meh though. You can go Fire from the very beginning, it's still viable, but it will do worse damage than Arcane at first. Arcane doesn't have very high gear requirements, wheareas Fire DPS will not be great until you have enough crit to start throwing instant pyros left and right. Personally I will just stay Arcane until I have the gear, because I think Fire isn't that much fun to play if I don't crit enough. If you are min-maxing, the point where it's truly worth switching is when you have the Ulduar 4-piece set bonus. But even before that you can do pretty good damage if you adapt your gear towards more crit.
The beauty of Tricks of the Trade is that the Rogue can decide to cancel the aura that gives threat to the ability. So I can decide to regular Tricks the Trade my tank and have him jump up in threat, or Tricks a dps and immediately cancel the buff that increases threat(but they still maintain the dmg buff).
OR!!!!!! I take bids for what dps wants to buy my tricks.
...just sayin
Edit/PS: Combat Rogue BiS Ulduar through ICC... I'll eat crow if not :)
Oh mate, Cold Blood Envenoms used to shred plate classes. I loved playing that😂
The assassination pvp spec was preferred for RLS back in the day, can actually see it quite a bit in MLG tourneys here on RUclips. have no clue how that stacks up with current knowledge of the game as I don’t pay attention to private servers.
I will never forget all my vault raids and the moment we full up I'd start whispering the other rogues to trade tricks.
I mained a rogue during wotlk and for years after that and I can confirm that I was popping real life consumables for a long time
Great video Will! The new intro is awesome! Really really well done. Just got my rogue to 70 that will be my main for the remainder of TBC and in Wrath as well. How did you know I popped irl consumables during raid? 🤣
The production quality in this is immense
I've been waiting a long time for this one
Ulduar tier 4-set-bonus is actually making Rupture ticks to crit, making it actually worth to use. That setbonus got changed later in some expansion where most dots became able to crit in baseline, and isn't archieved properly.
i seem to remember hunger for blood only working off your bleed and stacking 3 times for a total of 15% so if u accidentally let rupture fall off the target u would lose the buff and since it has a 30 second cd it takes 1:30 to stack it back again
That's one of the very first versions, I think the way it worked was it costs 30 energy to use, stacks up to 3 times and refunds the energy cost if your target is bleeding. You would stack it up pre-pull and then refresh it before it drops during the fight, it was also during the early Master Poisoner version that granted you 100% DP proc chance instead of not consuming DP.
That was the original version of HfB we had at launch. They kinda nerfed it to the single stack version in Ulduar I think.
Thank you Wille love your content
A little info you missed with tricks of the trade, you can cast the ability and then click the threat generating buff off yourself while the target keeps the damage buff.
i'd forgotten about that.
If I remember correctly, mutilate/prep was the wotlk pvp spec, no ?
Hey WillE, can I ask - Where did you get that talent tree specialization for combat rogue? I am trying to find the most optimal talent tree specialization. Was wondering if there is a way to find top parsers talent tree if there is a website or something?
So excited for rogue in Wrath! Picking it up in TBC was a lot of fun, I’m glad the other specializations are starting to become more viable as well
Bro same here. Rogues in Wrath, especially pvp is Godly.
@@KNByam 2's with Hpal is very strong
Not even gonna play wotlk classic, but this was a very amusing video. thanks!
I remember playing a Rogue the first time back in WOTLK when I started with WoW. Died like all the time till level 10.
Rogues using axes is massive making Orc Combat Rogue bis in PvE late game (ICC)
Mine is Troll since rogues get loads of expertise from their tier and gear.
Great video! But, how u can equip axes?! I cant learn that in wotlk classic ...
Hey WillE, should I level up a new character now or in the Pre Patch?
I always liked the fantasy of being an assassin since the game I played before wow was Ragnarok Online and played a thief and later an assassin, even If I began to play on TBC I played that tree.
Bro, same. Never see anybody else from wow who also played ragnarok. Wow was just missing katars
I have 2 rogues in tbc because I strictly arena on them both for fun. I plan on playing in wrath but unsure which to main. I have a night elf and a human. I know nelf has been primarily troll but I wanna know if for double dps.. would it be better than human. If shadowmeld drops combat can I macro it to stealth in wotlk for a free vanish? Or would overall human be better?
Even though I always end up maining heals, I have a huge soft spot for stealth classes. Since apparently I'm playing WotLK Classic now, instead of going back to my usual and rolling a paly healer, I'm running with rogue this time. It's the class I started with in TBC when I first played WoW, and I've missed it.
WillE is the gold standard for WoW content creation
Yep Wille and Platinum wow
does Blade Flurry stack with Fan of Knives?
Rogue is the only class I haven't leveled yet in the game so far, guess I'll be in for a treat when I get that urge to go level again in Wrath! Thanks again for the info!
I played a rogue on a private server (vanilla plus) and had the most fun out of any class I've tried. Unfortunately the server made it impossible to play melee classes late game, or else I'd still be playing.
Same. I just look at their massive list of abilities and assume I will never be any good at it.
Surprised you didn't mention tricks of the trade snapshotting. Huge for affliction locks on the opener
Best wow content creator, period. Every video is hit out of the park.
Man listen, when I played Wrath on release, I finally switched from War\Priest in 2s to Rogue\Priest and got to 1800 in 2 weeks and 2k in 4 weeks lol, good times
1. Threat in wotk wasnt an issue as long as your tank was at least semi competent
2. Rogues would usually ToTT each other, if there was only one rogue you would get spammed by all dps classes for TOTT
3. vigor was pretty bad as a talent unless you were bad at managing energy. if that was the case you were just better off rolling arcane mage and press two buttons
4. vigor worked with vanish, and vanish as a skill was more often than not an offensive skill (gives immunity for around a second after use and lets you ignore certain mechanics that are supposed to kill or stun you - eg. putricide fight)
5. Combat pulls ahead of assassination only once you get enough ARP, otherwise for most of the expansion assassination was slightly better
6. Conqueror's 1st bonus was super jacked for assasination, and it was BIS-ish to mix it in with t9, then t10 was super good. 13% 3CP was basically meant 0,45 CP each time you do a finishing move so that promoted finishing with 4 whenever you landed on it instead of going to 5cp before finishing.
7. Rogues were really good throughout the wotlk
Also they need to bring elitist jerks back for wotlk remake ;)
edit: and remember to be IMBA ;)
There goes my mace spec dwarf. No more constant stuns, on top of the. Constant stuns from spells, haha.. now it's armor breaking.
Hi, does anyone know when the pre-patch releases, please...?
15:35 okay okay, you don't have to call me out so hard.
This is some nice quality
You can tricks someone giving them the dmg buff then cancel the threat transfer buff off yourself. They get the full buff and you only transfer threat from that 1 auto.
Huhu do assasination Rouges share gear (daggers) with subtlety? So that you could enjoy both a little bit of both PVP and PVE instead of for example if you play combat and have to farm two complete sets of weapon?
Of course you want daggers with hemo too.
So is combat daggers still viable in wrath? I used it in phase 1 and 2 and out dps every rogue i raided or ran dungeons with. It always seems combat daggers is left out but is still really good early expac.
I am playing, like 15 years ago, only Rogue as Main through all addons. :)
i´ve gotta say, for pvp at least my experience, you always went Muti/prep build i dont remember exactly the point distribution but it was around 46/3/22 to get obviously mutilate and preparation, and god it was so fucking good
it was pretty good when you had bad gear since it doesnt need much, sub is pretty good with alot of arp
Yeah I'm confused as how did he manage to miss this if he truly spoke with some rogues that played wotlk.
Raid geared combat rogues in pvp during the last tier are just insane. Can cheap shot, expose armor and killing spree and almost anything will die with no further input
Well 2 min cd+ if someone near target it wouldnt hurt that much. Shadowdance is more practical with lesser cd.
Tho anyway rogue is least played class of Wotlk, by ironforge metrics.
That T9 for Human Rogue is well... BOOBA
The assassination changes are super tempting for me to roll in the fresh server
Thinking the same, On the fresh server I think it will be mainly DK's, but on current live server there will be tons and tons of rogues running about.
Great editing WillE!! Really proud to see the progress on your channel so quickly.
Love these series, keep it up!
I remember playing my alt rogue in ICC and facerolling at the top of meter.
As a rogue you need that dalaran mammoth ,then you will allways be in ogrimar skinning people
Speed running you could try the 3 rogues always empowering a tank. Shouldn't ever need to worry about threat then
or three rogues empowering the hunter who smacks his cd's with misdirection up on the tank....
I Played Rogue in Wrath and your expectations for Assassination in raids is pretty much spot on from what i remember. we had 3 rogues in our ICC HC 25 team, 2 combat rogues and me, They would beat me on cleave ofc. but my ST damage was insane (kept up with a fire mage who was insanely geared) I think my plan is the same this time around :D
They were bad then. I was pumping numbers on heroic icc
I actually had a rogue alt in wotlk. It was fun, I got around 2,2k in arena and had fun in raids. What I did not have fun with was the grind for the FUCKING ICC ARPEN TRINKET... fuck that shit.
Deathbringer’s will trinket from scourge saurfang boss
I'm so glad WoWlogs changed ToT. Imagine how bad parsing would be if you chained one person ToT like so many people will. Now the dmg from ToT is put on the rogues.
Cant wait for Wrath now, TBC has been tough for rogues and the constant negativity from other classes made maining one a bit of a chore.
Im basically undecided if i wanna play pala or shaman, looking forward to your input :D
Which spec for leveling ?
Are combat rogues using poisons over weight/sharpening stones?
yes
Always. Deadly is super strong in WOTLK
Think Sharp Stones are not a thing in wrath, old ones get limited to lower ilvl weapons
yes mh: instant oh: deadly
Please do Warlock next!
This was the last current xpac I actually played, and even then I only started after ICC came out lol
As others said Assassination was definitely viable in pvp, I don't think I ever touched sub and had a pretty good time in 2s with a ret pally (probably capped out around 2.3-2.4k). I ended up making a dozen or so fraps videos with my buddy on ventrillo I revisit every few years to remember the good times
such a shame. Legion was actually good aswell!
@@jointser1008 No it wasnt.
I’ve got my combat rogue and my sub rogue looking forward to some LK shenanigans. I ran my combat rogue as assassin spec for about a month, since I had better daggers than swords, it was pretty lousy though. Looking forward to it being a viable spec.
sub aint good until cata where it actually gets op if you are a really good player.
was a warrior main in wotlk but leveled up a rogue never once did i think it was a waste my favorite was the Professor Putricide fight in icc just for the part where you can vanish (and mages could blink through) his raid wide stun and go off on him. (hope warrior vid is next)
i like how he said assassination is useless :( but i have been maining it throughout tbc
Working on 2 rogues. One Combat, One Sub will switch to sin in wrath. I love rogue so much I've stopped playing my main Feral Druid. Pick Pocket XD
wait wait wait, haste increases energy regen in tbc? how so?
Tbh that assa spec you showed really isn't that great before ToC. Even up till late Ulduar using the envenom spec does alot more damage than actually using Rupture. You basicly go 51 Assa, 13 combat and 7 sub going 5x relentless strikes and 2x opportunity. All you do is keep up SnD, HFB, spam Mutliate and use Envenom on 4-5 combat points. It's so simple, but generates so much energy and allows you to keep on Envenom buff almost 100%.
exactly. and you can go 4/5 or even 3/5 if you feel lucky in "Cut to the Chase" and spend those points in "Turn the Tables"
Dang epic animation!
Are axes really that good for rogue?
been debating to come back just to play this class in pve - Ulduar GANG
Cant wait for the warlock changes. Also im amazed by the amount of good changes blizz back then from TBC to Wotlk, unlike the current blizz and the lazy "new" talents we are getting in Dragonflight
Talents are an illusion of choice tell me the variances in pve builds atm
@@chilwil07 exactly, its essentially pointless. There will always be a best build in which case rules out the need for any other build
So excited for this expansion because I literally played every single PTR patch there was and I know how buggy this game was at the launch and if they don’t fix the rogues and the mages and the death knights it is going to be a complete hellfire
So... i made a Nelf rogue a few months back that im wanting to go back to. How fucked am i for not being human?
Never go 1/3 Honor Amongst Thieves. Procs from your own abilities as well. :)
Lowkey I think he did that because it was bugged in Warmane for a very long time and 1 point got you the 100%. Maybe he copy pasted the build off their forums and thought people just run around with 33%.
Thank you for the comprehensive video! I was thinking about rerolling from Hunter to Rogue for WOTLK and now I'm certain :)
Have you seen the hunter changes though? ;P
5:30 that's actually false. Energy regeneration beneffited by haste was a thing in cataclysm and onwards. before that, haste only affected melee speed weapon xd
Both pve specs have talents that scale energy regen with haste, although it is indirect.
@@colinhobbs7265 nope. again, before cataclysm, energy regeneration for rogues and druids was a fixed number which could be modified by a certain amount throught talents, and those talents has not anything to do with haste like at all. again you can check talent calculators and formulas for Woltk and TBC and you can see that haste doesn't have anything to do with energy regeneration.
@@luckiness9500
You might want to read the combat and assasination talent trees. Haste = more auto attacks = more chances to crit = more chances to proc your talent that restores energy.
@@brandonkruse6412 Yup, its a indirect haste = more energy. While Cata was a direct haste = more energy. IDK why this dude doesnt understand direct/indirect
@@Ao2BairdTUR bullshit, what the fk with this indirect/direct = more haste nonsense? it's not the same formula wise if you want to talk in tecnical terms xd
😅😂🤣 This guy. The casual king
You're great!
Do Priest next :)