I think the used ones are a pretty darn good value. It's a lot of car for the money. It's a really nice place to spend time, though the charging isn't great. Used Polestar 2s along with used Ioniq 5s or EV6s are some of the best value used EVs at the moment in my opinion.
I like the car a lot and the used market is the way to go here. However, if you are tall and don't want a tight space this car is not for you. The inside is very cramped.
We bought a 2021 recently with 20K miles for $19.5K after the used rebate (wife qualified for it). Amazing deal. Tons of car for the money and still some factory warranty left.
Nice Video, Ryan. Nice video. Thanks for taking the time to do it for us all to see. Could you tell us who updates the Out of Spec Studios charging tests webpage? I keep waiting for EV's such as the 2024 Model 3 (both the AWD and RWD long range) or the 2024 Model Y AWD (or was Cathy's a RWD Model Y?), amoung other EV's that you or someone from your team has put through these tests but don't yet appear on those graphs. Really love that sort of info with all the stats there to compare.
Thanks so much! I've been updating the website, I hadn't pushed an update in a while but I just updated the range tests. Some tests may not appear on the website because they were completed at a different location, there was something wrong with the vehicle, or the vehicle had too many or too few miles (which would cause battery degradation or increased rolling resistance from the new tires, respectively).
@ryankassel5691 Thank you, Ryan, for doing all of this work. I was not aware that you updated those as well. We really appreciate it. You deserve a raise.😊 However, I was referring to the graphs under the "charging test" tab. The one where you can follow with your pointer how many kW the tested EV was doing after such percentage of the charge, and below it, the chart showing how many miles at 70mph it gained after so many minutes of charging. I think that is the very best page/tab of all. It makes it so easy to follow for none technical people and a totally fascinating and indispensable reference for anyone who has any questions as to what this or that EV can do under similar circumstances such as with similar tires, weather, etc. You can then deduce, more or less, how it will perform under other circumtances, whether better or worse. There is where I can't find the 2024 Model 3, either the AWD Long Range or the RWD Long Range which have been recently tested on the same course. Among a few other recently tested EV's, meaning the last 2 or 3 months or so. Although we can see some recently tested EV's, such as the 2025 Taycan. I was wondering when that tab/page would be updated to include those that are missing.
Woohoo! I’ve been waiting for this. Also the ‘24 has a new inverter, reportedly 9% more efficient. Thank you for the test! Next up: ‘25 performance 10% challenge - because it has the new battery. Or a ‘24 RWD although it seems RWD no longer available in the US market. Fun fact: ABRP does not really differentiate between ’24 AWD and ‘24 RWD. But I suspect that is because they are using European data for USA calculations. In Europe, the ‘24 AWD has the new battery. Bad on ABRP, but this does seem to indicate that the ‘25 AWD should have substantially greater road tripping capability than the USA version of the ‘24.
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I like the Polestar 2 as a comfortable well built car but the high cost is a deterrent.. they better offer a great lease deal to sway me to buy it..
I do think xx.x kWh/100 mi is a better metric - one more sig fig than x.x mi/kWh and also gives a better sense of energy needed to go 100 miles. Thanks for testing!
Thanks for the suggestion! One issue is that many vehicles only report efficiency as mi/kWh so it's a pretty coarse measurement if we're using kWh/100mi with 3 sig figs. Do you think it would make sense to convert measurements?
If you are only given 2 sig figs, converting won’t help, but at least you get 3 sig figs for the large number of cars that offer that degree of precision.
I notice the 255 miles was at an average speed of 62, and not 70. Obviously there are slow downs for the turn around, but that seems to be pretty far off to be just from that. I think it would be great to see the "average speed" added to your chart, because it is the real world, and there are things outside of your control (traffic, accidents, construction, etc...). I think that would help paint a more full picture, at least for me.
I like the Polestar even though the closest dealer is 5+ hours from me; The high price is more than most people can afford including myself. But what about a 22, 23, or 24 used maybe between 25-35k which is more reasonable for most people including myself. What are you thoughts on used over new for people can't afford the newer vehicle even with tax credits if they apply?
Kris Rifa tested the 2024 AWD Performance Pack car - which has a new battery and BMS. And he recorded 3.0 kWh / mile. Note that this is quite a bit better than the US version here at 3.3 kWh / mile. Not sure why the efficiency would be better in the Euro model. (gonna check is speed now..). Yep, that accounts for the efficiency difference - Rifa averaged about 62 mph - big difference from 70 mph. I guess the only true difference between the cars is the charging speed. The new battery is a relative monster compared to the old one. Rifa's similar test here: ruclips.net/video/5gDxr51tjkQ/видео.html
tariffs really do not work and never do as you they do is to ensure the consumer misses out on quality and put up with the mediocre US domestic offerrngs (bar Kia/Hyundai)
I appreciate how Ryan can knock out a range test in 15-20 mins.
Idk about where you are at, but I am seeing $35k used
I think the used ones are a pretty darn good value. It's a lot of car for the money. It's a really nice place to spend time, though the charging isn't great. Used Polestar 2s along with used Ioniq 5s or EV6s are some of the best value used EVs at the moment in my opinion.
I like the car a lot and the used market is the way to go here. However, if you are tall and don't want a tight space this car is not for you. The inside is very cramped.
We bought a 2021 recently with 20K miles for $19.5K after the used rebate (wife qualified for it). Amazing deal. Tons of car for the money and still some factory warranty left.
Nice Video, Ryan. Nice video. Thanks for taking the time to do it for us all to see.
Could you tell us who updates the Out of Spec Studios charging tests webpage? I keep waiting for EV's such as the 2024 Model 3 (both the AWD and RWD long range) or the 2024 Model Y AWD (or was Cathy's a RWD Model Y?), amoung other EV's that you or someone from your team has put through these tests but don't yet appear on those graphs. Really love that sort of info with all the stats there to compare.
Thanks so much! I've been updating the website, I hadn't pushed an update in a while but I just updated the range tests. Some tests may not appear on the website because they were completed at a different location, there was something wrong with the vehicle, or the vehicle had too many or too few miles (which would cause battery degradation or increased rolling resistance from the new tires, respectively).
@ryankassel5691 Thank you, Ryan, for doing all of this work. I was not aware that you updated those as well. We really appreciate it. You deserve a raise.😊
However, I was referring to the graphs under the "charging test" tab. The one where you can follow with your pointer how many kW the tested EV was doing after such percentage of the charge, and below it, the chart showing how many miles at 70mph it gained after so many minutes of charging.
I think that is the very best page/tab of all. It makes it so easy to follow for none technical people and a totally fascinating and indispensable reference for anyone who has any questions as to what this or that EV can do under similar circumstances such as with similar tires, weather, etc. You can then deduce, more or less, how it will perform under other circumtances, whether better or worse.
There is where I can't find the 2024 Model 3, either the AWD Long Range or the RWD Long Range which have been recently tested on the same course. Among a few other recently tested EV's, meaning the last 2 or 3 months or so. Although we can see some recently tested EV's, such as the 2025 Taycan. I was wondering when that tab/page would be updated to include those that are missing.
Woohoo! I’ve been waiting for this. Also the ‘24 has a new inverter, reportedly 9% more efficient. Thank you for the test!
Next up: ‘25 performance 10% challenge - because it has the new battery. Or a ‘24 RWD although it seems RWD no longer available in the US market.
Fun fact: ABRP does not really differentiate between ’24 AWD and ‘24 RWD. But I suspect that is because they are using European data for USA calculations. In Europe, the ‘24 AWD has the new battery. Bad on ABRP, but this does seem to indicate that the ‘25 AWD should have substantially greater road tripping capability than the USA version of the ‘24.
I like the Polestar 2 as a comfortable well built car but the high cost is a deterrent.. they better offer a great lease deal to sway me to buy it..
I do think xx.x kWh/100 mi is a better metric - one more sig fig than x.x mi/kWh and also gives a better sense of energy needed to go 100 miles. Thanks for testing!
Thanks for the suggestion! One issue is that many vehicles only report efficiency as mi/kWh so it's a pretty coarse measurement if we're using kWh/100mi with 3 sig figs. Do you think it would make sense to convert measurements?
If you are only given 2 sig figs, converting won’t help, but at least you get 3 sig figs for the large number of cars that offer that degree of precision.
@ that was my thought as well. Would you think XX kWh/100 mi would be better than x.x mi/kwh?
@@ryankassel5691 yes I think so. And if the car offers xx.x kWh/100 mi, like the Polestar, you get more precise data.
I notice the 255 miles was at an average speed of 62, and not 70. Obviously there are slow downs for the turn around, but that seems to be pretty far off to be just from that.
I think it would be great to see the "average speed" added to your chart, because it is the real world, and there are things outside of your control (traffic, accidents, construction, etc...). I think that would help paint a more full picture, at least for me.
I like the Polestar even though the closest dealer is 5+ hours from me; The high price is more than most people can afford including myself. But what about a 22, 23, or 24 used maybe between 25-35k which is more reasonable for most people including myself. What are you thoughts on used over new for people can't afford the newer vehicle even with tax credits if they apply?
Kris Rifa tested the 2024 AWD Performance Pack car - which has a new battery and BMS. And he recorded 3.0 kWh / mile. Note that this is quite a bit better than the US version here at 3.3 kWh / mile. Not sure why the efficiency would be better in the Euro model. (gonna check is speed now..). Yep, that accounts for the efficiency difference - Rifa averaged about 62 mph - big difference from 70 mph. I guess the only true difference between the cars is the charging speed. The new battery is a relative monster compared to the old one.
Rifa's similar test here: ruclips.net/video/5gDxr51tjkQ/видео.html
I loventhe stiff dampers😁
You do not have to take the wheels off to adjust the dampers.
tariffs really do not work and never do as you they do is to ensure the consumer misses out on quality and put up with the mediocre US domestic offerrngs (bar Kia/Hyundai)