Helldivers 2 - Major Order Failed But We Earned This!
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If you look at the Steam Charts (PC only), the regular player base dropped off 40-50k after the April War Bond, then another 40-50k after the "Balance patch". The drop after "PSN Gate" was only 10k ish. The less-than-fun Polar Patriots WB loss was about 20k. So, HD2 had 250k players playing in April for that WB, 125k for the May WB, and now they are sub-100k. This is just not Sony, but AH killing their own game in the name of "Balancing" and lackluster WB's. I'm not looking at the other "Balance patches", those did contribute also.
I authentically wonder if Sony is intentionally sabotaging the game so that Arrowhead is put into a position to accept a low ball buyout.
AH has dropped the ball here. All blame lies with the CEO. He’s the leader he must take responsibility for everything. All hires and decisions made even if by proxy.
We are basically being demoralized with each update.
@@FazeParticles i disagree, while the CEO isnt entirely free of blame, he isnt responsible for managing every single thing that happens.
Yeah don't go letting Sony get off scot-free either. Dropping 200 countries might not have affected the numbers as much as other stuff, but it's still a moral hill worth dying upon.
And Arrowhead have been patching out the fun stuff since the first balance patch.
And that ass from hello neighbour 2 isn't helping either.
I preferred fighting bots before they fucked the spawn rate, now literally everything is shooting rockets and they fucked my eruptor for no reason 😭
counter diligence, dominator, smgs + ballistic shield, are all my choices
There is a reason. That is alexus the clown. He was the reason behind hello neighbor 2 downfall and now they make him balance dev
@@vendetta1426 Iv got to ask are you running helldive like that ??
The poor eruptor. I think when they changed ricochets to come back at you, that's what caused the eruptor to start making people kill themselves with it semi-often, and so they took its shrapnel away after that to "fix" it, and it's just never been the same. Not even worth bringing anymore in my opinion
@@jordangreco4320i'll add to his list: scorcher, scythe, adjudicator, plasma punisher, sickle
And yes, ive ran these on helldive. Obviously, you have to build the rest of your kit intelligently. Cover up the weaknesses of your gun. If you're running a plasma punisher, you should have a supp weapon that compliments it.
Personal fave combos are diligence cs with auto cannon, scorcher with laser cannon, and sickle or smg with amr, and smg ballistic shield with railgun.
I expected this to happen since HD 2 is still banned in 180 countries. 🤦
And a lot of people in non banned countries aren’t playing
Not countries. Places. There's only 195 countries in the world, and all the people that could play before still can. Just no more new purchases (Or, and this is the biggest one) No more repurchasing if you got a refund which I'm sure many did
@@Neasel. There are 195 members of the UN. The CIA world factbook lists 237 countries.
@@esbenm6544 "Britannica's list of countries grants full nation-hood rights to Vatican City, Taiwan, and Kosovo for a total of 196 countries.
Then there's Wikipedia's list of sovereign states, which mirrors the U.N.'s list of 193 countries and two observer states, then adds eleven sovereign states, including Taiwan, Kosovo, Northern Cyprus, Cook Islands, and more for a total of 206."
"Other sources use a less rigid definition of country and give dependent and disputed territories such as Greenland and the Gaza Strip their own separate listings. This is the reason the United States' CIA Factbook lists 237 countries."
Depends on who you wanna believe.
@@Neasel. That's nice. But completely irrelevant. There is no definitive way to establish one correct way to define what a country is. But the CIA goes by what is considered practical reality rather than the purely formal approach of going by UN members or an encyclopedia.
They nerfed all our favorite guns. Of course people aren't playing as much
• Enemy spawn rate and location has ruined the fun of the game.
What is the point of blowing up bot factories / bug holes if the enemies will spawn where ever they damn well please on top of the player?
• Weapons feel useless and lack magazine capacity. It shouldn't take 4 to 5 recoilless rifle shots to the face to take down ONE bile titan!
What's the point of downing bot drop ships if the enemies still deploy!?
It takes 2 shots to kill not 4. Why even talk about balancing when you shouldn’t be playing the game anyways. If we can’t all Dive then no one dives. When they unban the 180 countries then we can talk about balancing
Theres an order to spawn rates, when all the productions facilities are gone enemies spawn within 75-125meters from you by the closest edge of the map. SO they technically "wander in" from off map at an increased spawn rate than if all the productions facilities were still up.
@@flamingwolfxI've seen it happen, there seems to be some issues with armour hit detection, duo play with a freind we both hit a charger square on in the Face with EAT's zero damage, not marks on it, next hit killed it dead, so he could well of seen this, I've seen recoiless rounds pass through a hulk with zero damage and other weapons pass through normal bots, hell since Monday Destroyed dropships don't seem to have mass anymore, I've seen them pass through other dropships as they fall which they didn't previously and have zero effect on the bots they land on, there are issues present that cause this
@@danieltafoya9841it's a lot closer than 75-125 meters, I've had patrols spawn directly ontop of me (0-5 meters) multiple times, there's also been a change in AI behaviour, the patrols will home in on the player not just move to the centre of the map, that combined with the increased detection range is really cutting into the enjoyment, its one thing fighting bots it's another fighting psychic bots that appear out of thin air
@@maddlarkin facts, youve effectively got to run scout armor now to not be swimming in enemies constantly and then your lacking armor sense there is only one scout armor that isnt light armor
Something that would help a lot not gonna lie is the 180 country’s that are delisted
Exactly. There gonna have to re do spawn rates.
That's nonsense. You're welcome to look at the rate of Steam users. You can see the player count from launch until now. There's a steady decline that is totally normal for new games. Google "steamdb helldivers". Click on the option that talks about charts.
Look at the decline through April. That's totally normal for new games.
Then, look at the decline in May. The news about the PSN linking came out May 2nd. There was no decline. Just people complaining online and review bombing. What's the value of review bombing a game you don't play? It's just people being toxic and trolling.
Then, look at the drop when those countries were delisted ... hey, wait ... there IS no drop. Billions of people are unable to play, and the number of people playing the game ... hasn't moved a perceptible amount.
Yeah? There are more Steam accounts in England than ... the entire continent of Africa. There are more accounts in the US than all of South America. Hell, there are more steam accounts in the 0.342 billion people in the US than in China and India's combined 2.8 billion people. And, of course, not everyone who has steam has this one game. Africa has about 1.34 billion people and has about as many steam accounts as the population of Australia with 0.026 billion people (26 million people have about the same number of steam accounts as the 1,340 million people in Africa).
MOST countries just don't have a lot of players. Right? The average ANNUAL income in Somalia is $2,500. I'm guessing not too many people there are excited to spend a full week of salary to get this game and not spend a single penny on anything else for that full week (it's the same as this game costing $1,200 in the US). The population isn't spread evenly when they play the game. You may have noticed that 50% of the population is female, but MUCH less than 50% of the people who play the game are female.
There certainly would be more players if those countries weren't delisted. But, for a game that has now sold about 12 million copies ... MOST of those people playing are pretty much from exactly where you would expect them to be.
You were supposed to learn to think critically about things in school and not just parrot what you hear other people saying.
I uninstalled again because of this.
Kim Jong Un in North Korea, a South Sudanese warlord and some scientist in Greenland would come in absolute clutch.
This is nonsense. You were supposed to learn how to think critically in school instead of just parroting what you hear other say.
Do some quick checks. There are charts for how many people are in the game on steam. If this was a big deal, there would be a noticeable drop, right? That drop doesn't exist.
Just like there was also no drop at or around May 2nd when the PSN link news came out and people swore they would never play again.
You can check how many steam accounts different nations and continents have.
They have done the AT mines so dirty and twice in a row
ngl the "bug-divers" did...
Most likely it’s how unbalanced the game has become for solo players, I can do challenging/hard missions just me and my son playing together, but solo can barely survive on easy. Spawn rates are ridiculous and even worse with bots, don’t get me started. The game used to have a good balance of challenge and fun, unless you’re a glutton for hard for the sake of being hard, playing solo just isn’t fun anymore, tbh
@@Mouchoo ngl the developers did. Where the players the ones who designed these broken bots or the difficult Major Order?
@@Mouchoo Are you really blaming the players, because they hate fighting against bots?
Might be for a new stratagem to call in the new recruits of the SEAF for cannon fod...i mean support
Actually that be really cool. A pelican one drop ship that drops 10-20 SEAF troops that are lightly armored and weaponized
I tweeted this at the CEO a few times! It would be cool to run into small patrols of SEAF marines every once in a while on the map. Or be able to call in a squad. Kind of like in halo you’d bump into a random group of marines who’d join you. They didn’t really do work, just were there as cannon fodder and occasionally took out small dudes! It would really add to the atmosphere of the whole galactic war thing. Like the Helldivers are the advanced Spartans. It would feel more like a war rather than 4 guys in a squad going against everything !
I want a truck.
bring back the eruptor the way it was!!
Yes! 🙌
This I really need!
the pre-richochet eruptor to be precise
I hate how bullet sails right behind the enemies and how weak it is now
@@quangthuyoan9576 not just the eruptor doing that, I've seen a recoiless projectile pass straight though a Hulks leg and multiple rounds from both AMR and counter sniper pass straight through regular bots, there's seems to be collision detection issues since the patch Monday. (And this isnt even going into dropships not damaging what they fall on anymore)
They have to fix weapon nerfs and patrol spawns now as in today. Next week is too late. Time for promises and excuses are over. Arrowhead get rid of Alexus or work on your resume.
Releasing a new warbond every month isn't sustainable in the long term
People need to realize that people can play what they want and chill TF out. Yes it's frustrating when we want new toys to play with and people are not helping out, but maybe it should also tell the devs that maybe something needs to change maybe the bots are a little too ridiculous with infinite rocket barrages and better vision when we can't even see them, or 1 shot rocket headshots out of nowhere... who knows could be anything!
Maybe people aren't as interested in medals at this point.
Could also be that they don't care about the mines because our current ones are pretty bad and figure these will be too. I however wanted them the last 2 times they were offered, but hey.
I was playing last night with one of my friends a couple of them haven't been on in a few nights... After speaking with one he told me they were all a little bummed out with everything happening in the game and they don't keep up with RUclips or social media they have jobs and come home to play a few matches a night... One of them told me that Arrowhead has nerfed every weapon that they've loved and with the new war bond being so lackluster the group is over it until it gets better!
" The one fun gun that I learned how to use after killing myself so many times they took it away and gutted the erupter "
The people I play with don't keep up with RUclips discord or social media they play it for fun and I heard it in their voices The fun is leaving!
Tbh
2 Billion bugs in their spawn system vs 2 Billion bots and how they spawn differ.
I’d love to rack up automaton kills, but not enough spawn :
Wow... All those millions of Helldivers we lost at Malevalon Creek, and Super Earth has just dismissed the whole things as a "Special military operation?" 😓 That hurt. I'm moving to Cyberstan.
Yes, Democracy Officer? This one right here.
They pulled a Putin 😂😂
@@ooothe2nd ??? Putin is a G, Zelensky is a ,🤡
@@blackedoutkillagaming8210 👶🍼
@@blackedoutkillagaming8210 you got that backwards Russian bot 🤣
We will continue to fail every objective until we have the recruitment centers back up and running in an unrestricted manner. We dive together or not at all. Stay frozen, brothers and sisters.
Yes stopping the progress of players to impact the company..
*SMART.*
@@Mouchoowell it's our only option to protest, do you have any better ideas?
@@mikehunt4265 I'm not here to protest. I'm just here to play the game. 200,000 players..... 2,000 players...... Doesn't matter to me.
@@clintmcbride7830 some of us enjoy the game so much that we can't just sit in a burning house content while it crumbles around us, we'd rather try to do something and fix the problem otherwise this game will be unrecognisable by the end of the year
@@mikehunt4265Honestly people should be looking for an old school lizard squad response. But hackers aren’t the vigilantes they used to be anymore
The PLAS Tenderizer? That's not what the plasma weapon is called, it's called the purifier. Now I'm confused on exactly what they're buffing because both of those weapons need it.
Hahaha right well I assumed tenderizer now if they are working on plas too I'm okay with that
my bets on AH buffing whatever the bots been shooting me with through stuff, lol
/I wish that was sarcasm, lol.
I'm not saying it was on purpose, but we likely would've succeeded had the Major Order been timed for a weekend on its last two days.
I'd love to see a strawpoll on the discord on two parts :
1) "which one do you prefer fighting ?"
- Automatons
- Terminids
2) Why do you not enjoy fighting "..." ?
- feeling stunlock to frequently.
- fights feels unbalanced.
- abundance of certain ennemy type.
- not enjoying specific mechanic.
- don't care for them specifically.
Bet the bug squishers are complaining just as loudly about us Bot Punchers failing the order.
And the Sony defence line is lookin at all of you with really, really disappointed eyes.
@@MrHocotateFreightThe Sony defense has be doing a shit job with those 180 countries banned 💀
But they have no right
You sound like a bug lover. E710 dont grow on trees
I mean...it took us ~20 hours or so to kill 2 billion bugs when we got 4 times the progress per kill, now doing the same with
-Bots, which don't come at you very hard, there are far less of them, they give up easily, and the preferred strategy is to not fight them unless necessary.
-We actually needed to kill 2 billion this time without any quad-counting.
-We only had like 5 days plus change.
Yes we had people fighting the bugs, and with their help we could probably have done it, but we can't expect everyone to help with MOs, especially bot related ones since there are a alot of people who dislike fighting bots so much that they just won't do it. This one was doomed from the start, maybe if we had gotten a reward people were more hyped for (I won't say better, since there is a very good chance the anti-tank mines are really good).
Failing the order was expected since half the reduced playerbase is still fighting bugs.
And people will drop off.
Lack of proper balance for sure sped run the FotM drop in conjuction with 170+ countries banned.
Can you blame them, no one like to be tekken juggled by explosions every 3 seconds. Despite that I still went into them on helldive that was a bad call on my part.
With 177 countries that are banned that means that there are only 19 countries that can play since there are 196 countries in the world. Just for the people who did not know how many countries could actually play
If you already had the game you can still play it in those countries you just can't buy it anymore, though I've personally lost interest between all the nurfs and bug ridden patches
To be fair, the bugs are pretty straightforward for newbies. The bots, on the other hand, are fought a completely different way. I fought bugs until difficulty 6 so I had decent footing to go LEARN how to fight the bots.
Anyone else do it this way?
honestly, no. i did two dives against bugs then went in against bots. IMO the bots are not that hard to fight if you have a grasp of cover and concealment, and a couple basic tools, namely expendable anti-tank.
@CannCann-ke3oc I do agree they aren't as hard as they first seem. I'm just not sure what anyone does about rocket spam before you unlock the shield backpack. It can be done, but that's for someone with patience.
@@lmdirkdiggler7170 i don't use shield. i use scythe from cover or impact grenades to deal with rocket devs, and the infantry bots with rockets are easy to swat with any med-range primary.
like i said, cover and concealment. the enemy cannot shoot you if he cannot see you.
Once I learned about weak spots, the bots were not as difficult anymore.
Now all major orders be fail because 1) 180 countries banned
2) 30k people playing with bags when 15k trying complete major orders
Losing the mines twice has me super discouraged
Sony has dried up the remaining passion for this project of a game. From trying to strong-arm account linking for data collection in the guise of security (LMFAO) to banning 180 countries with players who contributed, this game is dying a slow and painful death.
THE GAME CENTERS AROUND PLAYERS PLAYING THE GAME AND FOREWARDING THE STORY. BY BANNING PLAYERS FROM THE GAME, YOU KILL THE GAMES CONCEPT.
Sony had the cash cow they wanted and squandered it away for short term gain and to look pretty for their investors.
And yet, somehow, there are probably still people willing to do the mental gymnastics necessary to defend Sony.
After SNOY fcked up, i dont wanna play it anymore. Maybe in few months when the game gets polished. Gl there
The training facilities sounds like they are gonna be the drop ship squads…
I like the fact that they're going back to the way things were before. Besides punishing solo players, I noticed there were also very many weird issues. Groups of enemies spawning and getting stuck near walls. Enemies that could detect shoot you from hundreds of yards away. I heard that one of the CM's mentioned that enemies could 'smell you' While I think on one hand that's a neat mechanic, how effing bad do you have to smell is they can smell you from hundreds of yards away. If they're going to have something like enemies that can smell you, make it so you can sneak up on them from downwind.
Oh FFS, this is not "Big Game Hunter - Space Safari Edition" ! x'D
though, this could be neat, not gonna lie... I mean : having something to do with the notion of meteorologic gameplay, strenght of the wind, its direction , predicting incoming thunder/fire/ionic storms that would by extend prevent the use of "Eagle - 1" or reducing accuracy of orbitals.
Storms as they are already impact your sneak positively... Though, I feel with the recent buff ennemy recieved, they spot you as they used to without storms.
from semi words of other creators its not MORE patrols to then call in random back up- but late game the patrols themselves becomes its own mini army, and the signal is calling the other "armies" in the map to come to the location. so backup is coming but it will take sometime for it to arrive.
(this is assumed mission is complete, and bases were destoryed)
(if bases are not destroyed - back up comes from those areas and (ships fly in sending back up from those spots) - should be a harder situation)
I'm really good at fighting bugs. The last big mission we had, we failed. I've been trying to help fight bots. I actually had fun on the lower and medium levels, so I'll fight them again to get better. When it comes to bugs, I fight the higher levels, like 7, 8, and 9.
I think what they can do with the weapons is, buff/nerf every weapon back to its intended stats/ammo, and then let us play a bit and then adjust the stats/ammo after a week or 2 if needed, and for future weapon releases if a new weapon feels op, they should buff the older weapons first, or adjust the enemies, or add more difficulty
SES Beacon of Liberty reporting, undemocratic focus on the Terminid front, particularly in the last 48 hours of the major order when we knew we were starting to fall short contributed to the major order failing without a doubt. In my liberty loving mind all new activity should have ceased on the termnid front except for defensive action.
From what I saw, the majority of people WERE fighting bots during the MO. The reason this went so differently from the Terminid MO was partially that bugs are more popular, but I think that's people looking for a scapegoat to get mad at. Bigger reasons would be the kill count bug being fixed, bots having lower numbers overall compared to bugs, lower player numbers overall since the 2 billion terminid MO, and larger enemies like factory striders having equal weight in the MO compared to regular troopers (which I think is dumb because they're larger and would yield more metal).
I think singling out people for playing the game to have fun instead of following the major order is wrong. It'll just drive more people away from wanting to play and interact with others, and although feeling like we're a collective working towards a common goal is fun, we shouldn't use that as an excuse to alienate and shame others.
If you've looked at the leak more reinforcements will probably mean the npc reinforcements call in strategem
The 4x kill count we got last time wad fixed.
and the sony blockages, any unlinked accounts getting banned etc
I refuse to spend 3 days grinding again. You guys will have to do this major order without me, I'm opening Baldur's Gate and actually enjoying myself.
They need to incentivise major orders more to get players to participate. Medals isnt enough when you can earn those anywhere.
Just a thought.
Something like a seperate earned currency (super medals/commendations?) that can be spent on exclusive cosmetics related to the recent major orders? Things like gun paint jobs for specific operations. A malevelon creek gun skin (earned by playing there) would be cool, for example.
Make it so the currency cannot be purchased.
That may convince players to try out other fronts 🤷♂️
Imagine if the results of this major order are that we get human npc units that we can call in as cannon fodder?
Realistically, I doubt that is what it will be, but imagine if an entire new path if ship upgrades was added with options for calling in a squad of NPC grunts to hold a position (until they are wiped out), or a single high valve npc Helldiver unit to follow you. Varying incremental unlocks could be for rocket / flamethrower/medic units, but ultimately the main function would just be as deployable meat shields to pull aggro.
This means Super Earth's president is Super Putin, and the threatened boycott was the Wagner mutiny, Helldivers is Wagner PMC and Brasch is Prigozhin.
Another reason why we failed mayor order is because there could be more people playing the game if it wasnt region locked and people who refund it could purchase it again or new players buying the game. at the end of the day helldivers 2 depends on the players to fight the efforts without huge chunk of them locked behind a country has lead to lack of reinforcement also lack of people enough to work with bots. Because surprisingly there is people who just likes to fight bots over bugs no matter what.
I’ve been trying to use the airburst rockets lately but I feel like they lack power I noticed I am able to take out multiple low class bots with it but if there are walkers or devastators they take no damage.
Honestly if they'd nerf the rockets a little I'd play bots more
Sad see a very good game sabotage himself, personaly never feel so bad about balancing patch, but the important think is how the larger player base fills about and they dont feel well.
I believe that the order will give us that old leaked stratagem with AI Helldivers to assist us in the ongoing war, Or at least start that process.
Or who knows maybe we get missions with more players that would be neat.
the Punisher is my favorite weapon for Bugs, but against Bots i cant find the one thing that i like. The Sycle is the closest but not enought
The pummeler is great with its stagger and fire rate , the scorcher is great too for getting around some weak spots, the purifier med pen is bugged (it’s basically a scorcher that requires charging), but the best way to beat bots (below tank turrets, factory striders, and hulks) with primaries is to shoot weak spots that aren’t armored. With some of the sights, it’s really difficult to aim well while ADS.
The diligence counter sniper is my preferred primary for bots now
Plasma punisher is amazing on everything smaller than a hulk
dominator is great, but the lack of explosion can make taking down striders a bit harder (use impact grenades). Scorcher is good, just lacks staggering power
@@sppd100 the pummeler is the next im gonna try out
I just want number of bug holes/bot factories destroyed to impact the patrols spawn. Seems like such a logical game design choice.
Bug 9 was super fun. Bot 9 was super not fun. Maybe with the spawn rate change Bot 9 will be more bearable, but I still prefer getting my Starship Troopers on.
Always found it weird that the difficulty only went up to 9. Figured we would get one
I'm actually happy that I don't have to evade another minefield that can kill me... But at the same time I hate mines since I was lvl 8.
Honestly I'm glad we don't have the mines yet. It gives them a chance to playtest them in light of the balancing backlash
You assume they care to make things better if they have more time. Actually, they will use the extra time to pre-nerf anti tank mine so that they won't have to nerf it after release like they had to do to Eruptor
They are incompetent at testing. They said they needed 1000 hours or til 2028 to test a new weapon
It’s probably the reinforcement troops stratagem
Course it failed, half our forces are on the country banned list
how to bring the playerbase back:
-sweeping balance changes to make ALL guns and equipment fun and useful to use
-revert gameplay changes like patrols that made the game not fun
- have terminids and automatons attack super earth to get all the players back at least for a short while
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they somehow screwed up the kill calculations again.
Something i think that would be fun is a defense mission without extract you are almost guaranteeed to die. But just HOW LONG can you last, akin to barrier but on a bigger scale
The MO going on right now says failed for me but it also says 100 for all four planets
Curious if the Devs plan to have multi-front Major/Minor Orders when the 3rd faction comes.
Ie: Blaming gamers for fighting bugs doesn't change the fact that Orders will be more difficult later. We should be completing major orders ideally at 50-60% but we didn't rally.
Yeah, they "balanced" the guns but didn't balance the 2 billion kills needed when only a third of the player count is still here compared to the 2 billion (bugged) bug order.
yea, last weekend was LIGHT on players. Saturday night US EST, was about 105,000 at 10pm. I played until about 1AM and it remained at that count.
A few weeks ago, it would be closer to 140,000. When we had the bug mission it was at least that amount of people every day. So the sad truth is people are GONE either from PS2 banning or from national lockouts. We still got into the 80 percentile on 2 billion, so nicely done.
When you see FS on boards, please reciprocate It's Fk Sony.
we are getting probably something like a NPC troops drop Strategem
Bots don’t spawn as much as bugs, Sony blocking fellow Helldiver around the world, the lack luster warbond, and recent nerfs didn’t help with the major order.
Gee I wonder why we failed haha. We lost numbers brothers and sisters
Well, bugs don't shoot back and don't snipe you from 300 meters away when you peak around a corner. Many players just want to have fun and kill some bugs after a hard days work i guess, I don't blame them. Thank god Arrowhead is going to change the patrolspawning and balancing in general. With the lower player count atm all you could do was spamming lower level eradicate missions to maximize kills, but that gets old very fast. A major order that outright forces players to do that is no good anyway.
It could be the SEAF soldiers arriving faster. It’ll be reinforcements for Helldivers.
Should give us an option to change our weapon load out at least once while we are in game, in case we forget to switch before launch.
!!Potential spoilers!! for those who haven’t seen leaks…
I feel like this major order will lead to us getting access to that SEAF infantry stratagem that was leaked awhile back
I wonder if people would enjoy fighting automatons if we had Bunker style stratagem 🤔
-Buff the weapons for the love of god…
-Drop the Spawn Rate
-Add Diff 10
-Give us the damn Anti Tank Mines…
This game is called helldivers for a reason... it meant to be hard and punishing... don't get why everyone is complaining ALL THE TIME... First game was even harder and no one was complaining back than...
Two reasons I can see when comparing the 1st & 2nd :
1) not as many people in game. As there is a stronger, And really stronger rise of players between the two, there is automatically more weight in complaints. This happens everywhere and, sadly, AH is probably to little to deal with the weight.
2) no choices to make. In the 1st, you just went wherever you wanted, who would give a F about it : drop, kill things, leave, rince & repeat... Now we have obligations. Decisions. And apparently people don't like that. Especially when they are forced to make them fir things they don't want, don't need, don't care.
Overall, I feel a vast majority of the 12 million people who bought the game are just casuals ( it's not an insult, but a fact... They are People who are active in life, who pay taxes, have kids, studies, and sh*ts ). They don't play for the intrigue or the world building. They play because mindless unfiltered fun, free time, and a good laught before going back to work... Take the fun from them, they won't come back. And this is what's happening.
The training faculities are probobly for the AI SEAF call in
It failed because the player count it down as a result of their stupid 'balance' decisons (and I suspect some messing with the counter, I dont believe that each kill counted as 4 Bs for 1 second, esp as we got so close with a much reduced player count).
Frankly giving how close we got and the fact it was largely failed because of Arrowheads 'balance' team delaying the anti-tank mines is petty, although i think it's more likely they don't work properly since they were originally on a planet we had no chance to get to, now based on a major order it was unlikely to complete, when you oook at the state of the airburst launcher you have to wonder
MO rewards need to be at least double for it to be worth it against bots
Or in general
You know what would motivate people... ? . . . Super-Credits.
Arguably : medals are overrated. Since the update and the spike of solo difficulty, I was forces to play with teams more often, making it tidious when you don't have a strong internet connection ( thank GOD they will reverse it ). . . But as a direct consequence, playin' with them, I quickly gained a sh*t loadout of medals. So much that I already finished the warbond, not even a week after its release.
As they serves no other purpose in game, and the warbond quality fell down drastically as AH rush themselves ( I wish they would take more time to develop their stuff and test : it won't hold like that, not with their few numbers ), medals are no longer rewarfing enough. People loose interest.
Super-Credits never lose vallue : warbonds and super store. Put 50 to 100 super credits as regards for everyone, it will motivate everyone to win some money. Just because : money.
"volunteered for conscription"..... 😂😂😂😂😂
Doesn't help that most of the playable bot planets were fire or storm planets... The fire storms are just ridiculous and getting murdered through thick fog/storm that you can't see anything is not fun either...
The divers assigned primarily to bug sectors failed us. Us bot busters helped them in their time of need, but they didn't help us when we needed. Yes looking at you 30k divers still doing bugs in the middle of the major order...
Why the fuck are you blaming it on the player base when the devs keep nerfing the helldiver and buffing the enemy's. Let alone helldivers have lost almost half their active player base because of the Sony and balancing garbage. Dont hate the player hate the game.
Doesn't help that we have roughly a third of the players due to the constant "balancing" that causes people to no longer have fun.
Wake up man. It is just a game. Let those pp enjoy their time. It is the devs that ruined the game and took out your chance of enjoyment
I wish these new mission leads to a seaf troop call new
i love fighting bots
i love fighting bugs
i love helldivers 2
Well given how unbelievably overtuned the enemies are and how many of them spawn at any given moment, plus the fact that the game still runs like arse on systems on which it has no excuse to run the way it does, while also taking Into account that people have been doubf the same shit for 3 months now, yeah. The game is bleeding Playernumbers and as such, major orders because me neigh impossible and it wouldn't be suprised of arrowhead has the liberation goal and progress as it was when it released where it would make sense to have the progress bar move so tediously slow. Good job Arrowhead. You missed the mark yet again.
Just to let you all know in hell divers one. There were 16 difficulties. The last one was called the inner circle of hell.
Harder difficulty with current spawn rate would be perfect. Can still solo helldive just have to disengage more fights now
If those mines don't BANG...
I think seaf Marines will finally come out from this new major order
Doubt the next patch will give anything to the 1337 players. More likely months in the future. HD1 had difficulty 10-15 so i would think that it will eventually come. But not soon.
At the very least i think it will not be untill after the illuminate show up.
It’s also finals week
Bug diving on a major orders for bots is fine as a break, to do something different and rest from the chaos. But just flat out ignoring it is annoying.
I find it frustrating that the bot playes are hating on the people playing bug missions. First off they bought the game so they can play how they want. Also I find Bots are unfun as hell to fight if I want to jump cover to cover dodging bullets ill go play cod. Another thing why the fuck are the devs putting new weapons and stratagems behind these dumb major orders, Helldivers deserve a break after telling Sony to fuck off we have proven to them we like the game and want it to succeed and what do we get? We get 1 cape from what I know, a garbage warbond, and new stratagems that are being held behind a difficult MO with them knowing that half of the active player base is gone due to the country restrictions and shit warbonds. Also when I saw the bots get wiped off the map just to come back and take 6 sectors I thought what am I even fighting for if they will just come back after months of liberation, so what now we spend another 3 months getting them off the map are they just gonna pop right back up and take 12 sectors this time? Long story short stop getting on players asses when we should be getting on the devs asses. They are the ones who are actively ringing these major orders and planet liberation percentages.
The reason people refuse to fight bots is because frankly, as Helldivers we're not equipped to fight them properly.
Bots are much more difficult to fight than bugs, especially on higher difficulties. I'll take a Bile Titan over a Factory Strider any day of the week. Most of our primaries aren't Med-Armor Pen, and the ones that are kinda suck. We also don't have armored vehicles/ gun trucks and such to combat the Bots' deadliness at range...and the devs are constantly working to remove all elements of Stealth from the game.
Seriously, is it too much to ask to have some APC's? We did it in HALO 20 years ago, cousin.
You can't really balance major orders around 100% of the player base contributing, nor can you justifiably blame players for not doing so. I almost always choose to play to major orders, but sometimes you just want to fight a specific enemy, or the personal orders require you to fight against different opponents from the major orders.
Note: it might be good if the devs were more careful going forward to not issue personal orders that conflict with major orders
I've lost all motivation to play anymore nooone wants to take the MOs seriously, it really gets on my nerve that people stay on on bug worlds when bots are the MO we will never get new shit at this rate
Why so serious?
Can we get some guesses going on what these new difficulty names will be
what did I miss - plas tenderizer?
Fyi people, don’t attack a pelican when someone is already inside. It will take off early. Had a idiot attack it and strand 3 of the 4 people on the planet. He ofc blamed everyone but himself 😂
We didn't win because people got tired of the nerfs and didn't play because the game is boring and I cant even play it that long with out getting bored.
same fellow helldiver, Maybe losing so much of us gives them a lesson hopefully.....
Level 139 here and I’m having more fun than ever. I’m rotating through different load outs every game, experimenting, and spreading democracy! You sound treasonous. Stomping bots is the best
@@givenchymamajama3859im happy to you still find fun but im done with that at with my current level 95 , 380 hours of playtime , dont you think new warbound weapons underperform compared to others , or explain me for example , what is the reason of liberator concusive if new smg pummel is better on ever single way what is point of railgun if anti material rifle do same work with x10 ease , or what about they literally forgot to buff liberator penerator when buffing all other liberators damages . And as a helldivers 1 veteran i find lack of vehicles anti tank strategems unbearable, i know they will add but its already passed months after launch and im getting really bored sadly
@@figaro198 give it time bro. It’s only been 3 months w/ them having a huge amount of unexpected success plus Sony messing around like they always do. The vehicles for sure will come soon. My theory is, we’ll get it w/ a different set of biomes that are more wide range for vehicles. Example, imagine trying to drive on hellmire 😂 most of the planets rn are too rocky and mountain range-ish if that makes sense. The weapon balance is objective. I personally find a lot of them guns amazing. Of course some of them could use some buffs to damage or armor pen. But it’s still fun to me. Over 450 hours. Just enjoy yourself a bit. The amr is no where near the og rail gun. That thing needed to be nerded. I enjoy the warbonds as well. Can’t wait to see what else is in store for us in the next coming months.
@@figaro198 maybe just take a break
Training all these new "conscripts" as they're called for just the Automatons and Terminids? I see preparation--secretly--for The Illuminate who, inevitably, will attack.
Bug players should take some responsibilities. We could've done it if most of the players fought bots.
Let them play the game how they want to play, they bought it after all
i dont think problem was bug players Arrowhead and Sony killed majority of playerbase with their latest actions
@@mikehunt4265 Then they don't get the right to complain if they have to work harder to gather the 50 medals while wondering why the anti-tank mines are either not coming or are delayed.
@@KrodaStagg who said anything about complaining? They are clearly happy just killing bugs
Why did Super Earth declare war on themselves?
Idk why it’s such a big deal to people. I like fighting bots better, I play on impossible or helldiver. It is challenging arguably more than bugs(not that bugs are easy on that difficulty either) but if it is a bug major order I’m fighting bugs. If it’s bots I’m fighting bots. Idk why everyone can’t. I get people like one over the other but we need to work together.