Brute Force - Prairie 650 Valve Adjustment Information: Tinging, Pinging, Backfiring, Hard to Start

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  • Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2024

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  • @jameswatts4010
    @jameswatts4010 5 лет назад +10

    I would like to add a suggestion for a more accurate valve adjustment on this 4 wheeler. Being that the both valves are actuated by a single, forked rocker arm, you should use a feeler gauge under both sides at the same time. That will keep the rocker arm from "rocking" from one side to the other, making the valve that you just adjusted change clearance. You should at least go back and check the first one that you adjusted to confirm that the first side did not change. I am referring to both intakes OR exhaust at the same time. Very good video. Precise and right to the point. Keep up the good work. You are doing the 4 wheeler community a good service. Regards

    • @atvdirt1
      @atvdirt1  5 лет назад

      Thanks for your input on the adjustment, appreciate the comment!

    • @jameswatts4010
      @jameswatts4010 5 лет назад

      @@atvdirt1 I didn't check to see who posted this video. I should have known who it was when I saw how good it was.

    • @joecook4451
      @joecook4451 3 месяца назад

      I'm rebuilding top end for the first time. I adjusted all the valves like book said. Then decided to turn crank around and test to see if it took. Sure enough it didn't. Turned to tf again and all still to tight. I like the advice on doing intake and equast at same time to keep from rocking.... But I'd like to know if the valve goes up and down twice before piston does one rev? Also based off that would the valve have to be in the highest position and on correct tf tr for cylinder working on? I know this is long shot since an old post, but hope someone can clarify a little more to me. 🥺

  • @mikealdag7309
    @mikealdag7309 Год назад

    Thank you for this , I just did mine for the first time, what a pain in the ass to get to ! Thanks again for this video

  • @munnymike319
    @munnymike319 6 лет назад +2

    Great video dude! You saved my quad from the scrap yard. She runs great now! Thanks

    • @atvdirt1
      @atvdirt1  6 лет назад

      Awesome! Thanks for the comment and many more miles on your Brute Force!

  • @KGRICK1
    @KGRICK1 Год назад +1

    pro tip, when adjusting leave lock nut just loose enough to be able to turn adjustment screw , this will make it much easier to maintain the clearance , if you completely loosen the nut the adjustment will change when you lock it down requiring several attempts.

  • @soundmandave21
    @soundmandave21 5 лет назад +1

    Thanks for the video, this is on my weekend to-do list, along with the carb cleaning.

    • @atvdirt1
      @atvdirt1  4 года назад

      Thanks for the comment! Subscribe to our channel for more tech tips and reviews. ruclips.net/channel/UCArRwA4SAnCqF6NsuPayhEA

  • @n0ukf
    @n0ukf 4 года назад +1

    I hope I just need a valve adjustment and not replaced rings. Will try this while waiting for a compression tester, Dad's old one won't fit down these narrow plug holes.

  • @automotivekid3026
    @automotivekid3026 2 года назад +1

    It also works on arctic cats like mine that has the kawasaki 650cc V-twin motor

  • @dennisjj6529
    @dennisjj6529 7 лет назад +2

    Fantastic video!! Great walk through and you're a great communicator. Thank you.

    • @atvdirt1
      @atvdirt1  7 лет назад

      Dennis JJ thanks for your comments!

    • @StevesDIYProjects7
      @StevesDIYProjects7 6 лет назад

      WRONG he teaches WRONG way to do it. doesnt use a tool to hold the jack screw while tightens jack nut.

  • @xanderdeagle4173
    @xanderdeagle4173 Месяц назад

    I am going to start doing it today but would this work for my 2007 kawasaki brute force 650cc v-twin

  • @grandcrappy
    @grandcrappy Год назад

    Is it worth having a twin, well-engineered but there are so many parts?

  • @jushinator33
    @jushinator33 7 лет назад +2

    Can you upload that 5 step process? The link in the description does not work

    • @atvdirt1
      @atvdirt1  7 лет назад +5

      Difficulty rating 7.5 out of 10 (the feeler gage was a bit hard to get in the tight spots).
      Warning the repair manual doesn't even explain the fact that the
      camshaft rotates 180 degrees for every turn of the cranshaft
      (fundamental principle of any 4-stroke). So, the engine is only on TDC
      firing at every other turn of the crank. The exhaust valves are not
      closed all the way at TDC intake. This is why you must be sure the
      engine is on TDC firing, not TDC intake. If you adjust the valves when
      the engine is not on TDC firing, your valve adjustment will be way off
      and it will not run well and wear out your valvetrain.
      -You need a feeler gage, flathead screwdriver, and a box end metric
      wrench (10mm). Check when engine is at room temperature (68F of so)
      otherwise the different expansion coefficients of the different types of
      metal involved will completely invalidate your valve adjustment.
      1. Remove front plastic (includes top rack), battery case, right water
      pipe bolt if necessary, valve adjustment caps, recoil starter (or
      alternator cover, in the case of the 2008 BF).
      2. Remove timing inspection plug (slotted plug, left side of crankcase
      near recoil starter). It may be too tight for a big screwdriver. If it
      is too tight, you might try a vise grip on the outside edge of it.
      3. Turn crank counter-clockwise using a wrench on the crank bolt (under
      the recoil). Turn it counterclockwise until the TF mark shows up (the
      top part of the T lines up with a notch in the hole). Note that if the
      cylinder is at the end of the compression stroke all four valves will be
      closed (you can feel clearance in the rocker when the valves are
      closed). If the engine is at the end of the exhaust stroke, some of the
      valves will be partway open (the exhaust I think), and you need to turn
      it counterclockwise one full revolution until it is at the end of the
      compression stroke (back to same mark).
      4. Check and if needed adjust all four valves on front cylinder to:
      Intake 0.10-0.15mm (.0039"-.0059") cold
      Exhaust 0.20-0.25mm (.0079"-.0098") cold
      * To adjust a valve, loosen locknut, turn center screw left for looser,
      right for tigher. Proper clearance is achieved when feeler gage can
      slide between valve and adjusting screw with slight resistance (not
      loose, not tight). I like to use a go-nogo gage made for motorcycles.
      5. Turn the crank counter-clockwise until the TR lines up in the timing
      hole and check/adjust the valves in rear cylinder. Make sure all valves
      are closed, because this it is 270 degrees CCW from TF. If some of the
      rear cylinder's valves are open (rocker is pushing them open), you may
      have turned the crank an extra 360 degrees after you adjusted the front
      valves or maybe you didn't do the front cylinder on TDC firing.
      6. Put stuff back together

    • @jushinator33
      @jushinator33 7 лет назад

      Thank you

    • @theycallmerebel
      @theycallmerebel 4 года назад

      Everything ATV-UTV-Reviews j

  • @letaurusw
    @letaurusw 3 года назад +1

    Great video!!! Was very helpful

    • @atvdirt1
      @atvdirt1  3 года назад

      Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the comment!

  • @vincentkreiss3759
    @vincentkreiss3759 4 года назад

    hi..I have 2- 650 Kawasaki paraie 4x4..just bought them so I figured I'll do oil change spark plug and air filter and now it pops from carb..is it because I need to adjust the valve clearance???

  • @josseprossi6837
    @josseprossi6837 3 года назад

    would you have any idea what size the kawasaki kvf 750i 2008 adjustment is made of ?? Exaus and intake? Please help me . I have problems with backfire

  • @colonialroofingofnorthcaro441
    @colonialroofingofnorthcaro441 4 года назад

    What year model is the 4 wheeler your working on, tks

  • @dh5254
    @dh5254 4 месяца назад

    My book says
    Valve Clearance (when cold)
    Exhaust: 0.20 ∼ 0.25 mm (0.0079 ∼ 0.0098 in.)
    Inlet: 0.10 ∼ 0.15 mm (0.0039 ∼ 0.0059 in.) your valves are super tight 😳😳😳😳 well ima try it on mine and lean toward the tight side

  • @andyhug13
    @andyhug13 2 года назад

    Hello. 0.05 and 0.08 is in inch or in metric?

  • @montiraruba2831
    @montiraruba2831 3 года назад

    Anyone know where the Serial number/VIN # is located on the Brute Force 750 (2005-2007)?

  • @GusgusA1
    @GusgusA1 8 лет назад +1

    My 750 has a small intermittent backfire. Could this be the issue?

  • @pinefighter1
    @pinefighter1 3 года назад

    Love your videos,very informative. I have a 2002 Kawasaki prairie 650 runs good and idols but it won’t decelerate above 15mph....any ideas would be appreciated, thanks

    • @atvdirt1
      @atvdirt1  3 года назад

      Sorry about the late response, did you find out the issue?

    • @pinefighter1
      @pinefighter1 3 года назад

      @@atvdirt1 No worries life is hectic, it was the throttle cable and carb.adjustment....thanks. N.J.

  • @sebastiengauthier2785
    @sebastiengauthier2785 5 лет назад

    Is it the same adjustment for a 750

    • @atvdirt1
      @atvdirt1  5 лет назад

      The process should be the same, although check the valve clearance settings for the 750, not sure if they are the same. Thanks for the comment!

  • @mb837904
    @mb837904 7 лет назад

    have an 06 Prarie 360 that will foul out a plug in an hour of riding. been doing this for 2 years. could this be the problem?

    • @atvdirt1
      @atvdirt1  7 лет назад

      Michael, has your Prarie been jetted, any other mods or completely stock?

    • @jonlund3161
      @jonlund3161 7 лет назад

      Too tight or No Valve clearence gives that symptom. Could also be other things. Check your compression.

  • @troyhammond1405
    @troyhammond1405 4 года назад

    even on the hottest days my 650 has to warm up atleast 20 mins before i even touch the throttle or it dies. any info on why?

    • @atvdirt1
      @atvdirt1  4 года назад

      Is the 650 set on ON or RES fuel tank setting?

    • @troyhammond1405
      @troyhammond1405 4 года назад

      @@atvdirt1 on.

  • @cnw-jd9tt
    @cnw-jd9tt Год назад

    I must have done it wrong, it wasn’t ticking before but now it’s ticking really
    Bad

    • @speakable5733
      @speakable5733 Год назад +1

      I have same problem

    • @cnw-jd9tt
      @cnw-jd9tt Год назад

      @@speakable5733 i ended up re doing it and now it ticks just not as bad. some ticking is normal.

  • @GusgusA1
    @GusgusA1 8 лет назад

    I mean a small backfire through the air cleaner.

    • @atvdirt1
      @atvdirt1  8 лет назад +1

      Gus, this "could" be your issue. It's a good place to start as it will only cost you some time to check. Kaw's make incredible power, but are notorious for valves tightening up.

    • @GusgusA1
      @GusgusA1 8 лет назад

      +Everything ATV-UTV-Reviews there is none further than a mechanic than I but a great vid to follow. Thank you.

    • @StevesDIYProjects7
      @StevesDIYProjects7 6 лет назад

      im sure ya found out. and i bet was the accel pump in the carb.

  • @bizaicruz9087
    @bizaicruz9087 2 года назад

    Me interesa el tiempo

  • @tallerrdg8409
    @tallerrdg8409 8 лет назад

    L

  • @jesserousseau2481
    @jesserousseau2481 Год назад +2

    My book says .20exhast .10 intake