Ballistics, slower and lighter never penetrates more than heavier and faster. MATH. I choked on my coffee when you said 3 jugs for the pellet, loved it.
Another important thing about air pellets, they don't have the sectional density or weight of a regular bullet of the same caliber so they won't carry as much energy, even if velocity was equal. Great video! I have a Gamo .177 spring-piston and when I 'diesel' it, it goes from 770fps to 990fps with a 10.5gr. pellet.
One water jug or not, these modern air rifles are WAY more powerful than the ones I saw in the 70s. I agree that it ought to work fine for varmint work, but I think I'll keep on using my rimfire guns. IMHO, the 22LR is much more versatile. That was a great video, WTH. I enjoyed watching and comparing results with you.
Modern air rifles shoot "slugs" instead of skirted pellets = more mass They are also capable of same speeds as subsonic 22lr rifles while shooting up to 9mm "slugs"
I have a .177 cal pellet rifle that shoots around 1,000 fps advertised. I shot a 1 gal water jug at 25 yards and it zipped right through both sides. Never tried 2 jugs. I was impressed it went clean through.
You are the best gun guy on the Internet brother!!! Love the vids. And you seem to be just a regular guy like probably all your viewers!!! Keep up the great work you do brother!!!
Great video as always. I received an Avenge-X for Christmas and did this test with it. I was shooting Crosman Premier .22 HP at 14.3 gr. Shooting @890 f.p.s. At 20 yards it shot thru a single milk jug. It would also shoot thru a Simply Orange jug with the thicker plastic at the same distance. So far the Avenge-X has a squirrel and 3 sparrows to its credit. They are awesome!!!
I'd like to see a closer comparison velocity wise. Maybe your Avenger vs some of the CCI Quite 22 subsonics. I think the Quite version is around 800-900 fps.
Better would be to try it against a modern air rifle that can shoot 40 gram slugs at 1040 fps. Sure, the .22 is still going to be a little more powerful, but the air rifle is pretty close, and 200 slugs cost $15, while 200 LR costs about $100.
If people don’t believe you they need to get lost…But it is good to stay humble.. You seem like a genuine good ol boy to me 😁😎 hope to shake your hand some day WTW 🎉
Pretty impressive pellet for sure. I don't think I've ever seen one expand that well before. Might need to try those in my break barrel. I usually use JSB pellets because of their accuracy.
My buddy had me sight in his air rifle, and that damn hand pump is for the birds. Use one of you have to but if you can buy one, most definitely get a powered compressor for these things. Your back will thank you, folks.
I have a tank. I can get 100 rounds out of the tank on my rifle and I can fill that tank 10 times with the large refill tank. 1,000 rounds total plus or minus. Takes seconds to refill the rifle. The store I bought the rifle from gives me free lifetime refills. I'm very happy with the setup and being a resident of California it opens up worlds of opportunities that are denied firearms.
@edstimator1 these air rifles are a game changer for folks in your state. I have a small tank I use for stuff. It's nice that you get lifetime refills on yours. These things are awesome.
It really is a game changer not only for Californicators but in National parks too. Nightime hunting rules are changed. Firearm rules don't apply. It's all just different in a better way. Be sure to check with the local authorities because in the end, it really is up to their interpretation of the legalities but you can also check with other authorities that may buttress your pleading.There is always ONE GUY in the district that is THE LAW.@@TheGeekiestGuy
Keep in mind bullet weights too. I saw a test where a guy did a soft clay test between the two but he used a .25 caliber PCP airgun because it is closer to the equivalent of a 22 LR and it's still amazing the extra damage the LR did. It went straight through the clay block and left about an inch hole with a 3-4 inch crater on the inlet side and the .25 pellet might have went all the way through I can't remember but it was no hole and only had about a 1-1/2 inch crater. And I love PCP airguns I recently acquired a Korean lever action in .25. it's awesome and powerful but overall a 22 LR still beats it. But to know it's power people readily hunt smaller hogs with .25 caliber PCP airguns. Part of that is airguns obviously have limitations so headshots are a must.
Cool comparison. You should revisit the same test and use an airgun slug hollow point. Then you have slug versus slug, and turn up the power on the Avenger to get 950 plus FPS. Use at least a 30 grain aigun slug. 30.5 grain ZAN slug in .218 diameter.
Exactly. Man air guns can shoot a 40 grain slug at 1040 fps or more. Many people don't really understand how poweful air rifles have gotten. Now the .22 slug will not be quite as powerful as the .22 LR, but considering you can buy 200 for $15 vs $100 for the same number of .22 LR. I have been shooting air rifles for three decades and I would never go back to powder for just plinking around or for light game. (I can buy 500 .22 hollowpoints for $7. Wow!
@@shenmisheshou7002 just think about my Airforce Texan LSS .457 caliber shooting an NSA 350 grain slug producing 600 plus FPE. My Impact M3 in .357 caliber is getting 168 to 172 FPE.
@@airguns_rc I kept it to the .22 to be fair to the comparison of the same caliber, but yes, a lot of firearms people don't really understand how powerful airguns have gotten. Per caliber, the firearm ammo is more powerful, but if you shoot a lot, as I do (about 500 shots a month, the cost of a really good airgun and compressor starts to look better and better the more you shoot. I stopped shooting firearms on a regular basis when I first discovered precision arighuns just before the Atlanta Olympics. My gun store/range had a 10M match pistol in their display case. I was infatuated by it and that was the beginning of the end of my regular shooting of firearms. I still have a 9mm pistol and a Colt Python, but I almost never shoot them. I shoot my FX Maverick 4 or 5 times a week.
@@shenmisheshou7002 I wasn’t mentioning the Texan to shoot against the .22 LR. I run the airgun competitions in The Greater Cincinnati Area. We have five airgun disciplines now this year. We have four clubs in Ohio, but at my club Fairfield Sportsman Association we have ASA 100 yard sanctioned Benchrest Competitions, Sanctioned N50 Benchrest Competitions starting this year, Rifle Field Target on a wooded course, we are starting pistol field target this year, and we are having speed silhouette competitions after the N50 competitions. I shoot at least 500 rounds a week and probably more between all my different calibers. I also attend the international competitions. Great people and great competitions. Who Tee Who got bit by the airgun bug last year. He has a few Airguns now. He has a Seneca Big Bore as well, the new Avenge X, and he has an FX Impact. I have my firearms and enjoy shooting them, but I honestly enjoy shooting my Airguns more.
Today I did my own milk jug test with my 5.56 Ruger Ranch using Barnes TTX bullets I only had 5 jugs so I put a 3/4 inch piece of plywood in front of the jugs the bullet went through the plywood and stopped in the last jug it retained its original 70 grains and expanded perfectly . The Barnes TTX copper bullets are very accurate and the penetration was more than I expected, should make a very good hunting bullet for medium-sized game including deer out to 250 yards. You should give them a try. P S Love your videos.
I always like to mess around with the 177 and the 22 pellet rifle. I put some vicks vaporub In the back side of the pellets. An then check the speed difference. Some people call it dieseling. You don't have to fill it to up half way to 3/4. It will be faster then the 22 LR. Just to let you know don't use some cheap pellet rifle. At 50 yards I can get a 1 to 1 1/2 inch Group. I don't know if you can show this on RUclips. It sounds like you're shooting a 22 LR. It a fun thing to mess around with.
I have a rim-fire air rifle that was factory made by Crossman to only shoot .22 pellets. They have made (most air rifle companies) these guns for decades.
That air rifle is a low power rifle. There are plenty of air rifles with greater power/velocity that are closer to the rimfire. Also, the weight of the lr projectile is twice that of the pellet. That is a doubly unfair comparison. If you used a slug in the air rifle and a high-power air rifle it would be a fairer comparison. A better comparison would be an FX Impact with slugs verses the .22 lr.
I would love to see more of a hunting pellet come out on the market. Softer lead on the inside and copper coated. I've been testing a bunch of different ones on my trapline and in a live animal I think a better pellet would be a good combo with these new rifles. Perhaps a Remington core lock pellet!😍
Dieseling does not work with PCP rifles, just in spring piston rifles. I tried it many time before with many different oils, Vaseline and even real diesel.
The 2nd and 3rd milk jugs were touching, or it would prob. have penetrated into the third. If you want penetration with a pellet rifle, you need solid ammo. I have had my 22 cal. break barrel air rifle do three milk jugs. It Chrono's around 800 fps with a 14 grain pellet. Most pellet guns will not compete with a 22 LR . Even shorts, but will do a number on small game, if the shot placement is right on. Thanks for the video!
Be cool to see this tested with 22 LR fitting concrete blanks pushing 22 pellets. They make different strength blanks as well. Curious on the different speeds and penetration
I'm on team LR, but respect the applications of a pellet where firearms would cause problems. Otherwise, they cost the same per shot(If you use the non-lead pellets that I use), and one simply hits harder.
Good test video WTW. The results are about what I expected. If you want to do another test, then use a .22LR with a solid bullet. I think the solid round-nose .22 LR will go further than the hollow point .22 LR. cartridge. Maybe, next time use an air rifle powered by a pump-up/handle instead of an air compressor tank gizmo. Not all of us can afford an air-compressor gun.
I have done a test on a watermelon with a hollowpoint airgun pellet at about 1600 fps. The watermelon completely exploded on impact, there was no exit hole so it completely desintegrated😮. No, it wasn't a regular airgun. Lesson learned: overspeeding a hp airgun pellet is lethal on impact😮
Maybe one more test? Fire the air pellet out of the rifle using a power hammer blank cartridge. Should get some awesome speeds and damage. Let us know if you try it. Great video...as always!!
I have a haard time understanding why that these air rifle companies can make a product that pushes a 250 gr. Slug at 850 fps but that dont make a product that pushes a 28 gr. Slug at 1200 fps. Is there some kind of engineering block on lower caliber pcp rifles? I have a dana springer in .177 and new it was pushing its pellet at 1235 fps. That rules out any limits on the ammount of air getting into the chamber. If a springer can a pcp should be even better.
I would have guessed a market factor of people wanting to keep them subsonic so they stay quiet without the crack of projectiles breaking the sound barrier.
Staying subsonic certainly a benefit, but airgunners are striving for accuracy first and foremost. Anyone who speaks of highest fps doesn't know airguns
All these answers are nice but they still don't explain the difference in my .177 cal 1200 plus fps springer and a pcp of almost any caliber that only gets 800 fps. Also accuracy is no argument as that dana springer can punch the same hole all day long if it's serviced properly. As for understanding the need for speed my background is hunting and even if it were paper punching the flatter a gun shoots the more human error you eliminate.
Now you need to "Diesel" that pellet. A drop of oil in the air cavity. Using my Gammo Maxxim shooting at a 2x10 a standard shot penetrated 4/32in. After adding the drop of oil, it penetrated 21/32in. Apparently the oil ignites and fires that pellet out like a .22L. I've broken the sound barrier creating a crack that any gun guy would swear id just shot a .22LR!
Why not gell instead of water jugs ? when I was younger shot pellet through water filled aluminum canten both sides with one shot 22 cal air rifle !...
Air rifles are great for backyard practice. You can use a suppressor to mute the sound but I have to say WOW are they expensive! I'm in the wrong business lol
That Bugara is a sweet rifle. I am not familiar with the brand of PCP you used but I'm just going to bet you can shoot a tighter group with it at 25 or even 50 yards than you can with the rimfire. Off the bench, fully supported on both rifles of course. I think you will be surprised. Love your vids, man.
They're both subsonic so I'm not surprised by the results. If the 22 long was supersonic it would've broken up and only gone as far as the pellet, I don't think the jacket on the 22 long made that much difference. I'll go with the rim fire first cause I don't want to take the time to re gas my gun all the time.
.22 air rifles are about handgun velocity, but of course a much lighter pellet/ bullet weight. For small game at short range a .22 air rifle is very capable, Hay you can even get .30 cal air rifles capable of taking deer. The .22lr is as always very effective on a lot of game, it's often dismissed as weak and almost a "toy" but it's definitely not. A lot of people have been killed by accident because others didn't think it capable of much, and disregarded a safe backstop.
I think you would find more penetration, possibly if you used a non-expanding pellet. Some pellets even have a sharp pointed head that you could try as comparison.
You should try the CCI 22 Quiets, those would be a fair match with the pellet gun, very similar velocity. And compare the Quiets with the CCI Stingers, see what kind of difference velocity really makes. 👍😉
I killed a 6 point buck with a 22 pellet out of a Benjamin nitro piston rifle. It was an accident…just testing the thing out. Had no idea it was lethal in any scenario. Hip fired it at a deer in my yard. Killed it after hitting it behind the ear (we found out when fish n game came over)
I have a FX M3 30 cal. I also have the same compressor. I am in the 950 fps range. With Diablo 44gr pellets. I seem to enjoy shooting my air more than the rim. I thought it would have went into the second jug 💫🤘
Your heavy breathing sounds like mine before my heart stent. You are a handy guy building that fun property. Shame if the next guy gets to enjoy it. OR, what if he's a gun hater ?
Awesome video as usual brother. But as a airhead I gotta say there are much badder 22 air rifles out there. A 36gr 22 slug at 1050 is well within reach. That being said the avenger is a great little plinker. Stay awesome WTW
I just did this experiment with my Huben K1 .25 cal. I used Vermont knocker 47 grain slugs moving at 1050 fps. It went through all 4 milk jugs and I didn't catch the slug.
just another piece of data, my Daisy pump .177 can sling a pellet at 695 fps on 8 or 10 pumps, i forget which, my break barrel gamo slings .22 at less than that, like 650 ish, sorry, dont have the weight data for each of those measurments
The pellets are designed to be as light as possible. Not really a fair test considering the weight and density difference. I'd like to see a pneumatic rifle that slings the exact same round for a better comparison
The chronograph of the air rifle .22 is slightly higher than a 32 grain 22LR CCI Stinger being shot by a North American Arms (NAA) with a 1.13" barrel (this tiny revolver can fit into a pack of cigarettes, 100's). Comparing these two in milk jugs (or anything else) would be incredibly fascinating! I wish more 22LR comparisons used the NAA 22LR, as it is basically the worst case scenario option for this round. Also the energy transfer destruction between the air rifle and 22LR was very significant. The air rifle basically just poked a hole. Whereas the 22LR caused a small explosion in the first jug. Would these results be the same with a 22LR being shot at roughly the same velocity as the air rifle?
36 grains at 850fps is less than half the energy of the 36 grain at 1280fps 57 ft lbs vs 131, and that crow mangum pellet is 18 grains at 850fps so its only 28 ft/lbs of energy.
Do you have 22 pellets of different styles? Using a flat or round nose pellet might give you different results. The flat nose may expand a bit but give more pentration, the round nose pellet should expand less and give even more penetration. If you have other pellet shapes could you do a test comparing them to the hollow point pellet. Depending on what you are shooting the performance of the pellet on the target could mean a clean kill or just a wounded animal. I had a pellet rifle years ago, just some off brand, don't even recall the brand, about 750 fps with lead pellets. 17 caliber and used the flat nose pellets to hunt rabbits. They killed very well. The round nose tended to pas right through and ofyen i had to shoot a second time after sesrching sround the brush to find it. At the time I lived in New Mexico, and scrambling around in the brysh wasn't always a good idea. Snakes, scorpions and throny brush made that not do much fun.
wow.. I had no idea what a .22 air powered rifle can do.. Now I am wondering what a .22 air vs. .177 air would match up. I any case, impressive video. Thanks!!
This test under-rates modern .22 air rifles. My .22 air rifle can shoot a 40 grain slug at 1040 fps, This is not quite as powerful as a .22 long rifle, but it is pretty close. On the other hand, I can plink with 14 grain hollow points that cost almost nothing at 820 fps for target work. I think 500 cost me $7. To get this kind of power, you would need to use a PCP air rifle. The Avenger he used in the test can fire a .22 slug, but to get it to high power, he would need to adjust the regulator. More expensive air rifles allow you to use a wheel to adjust the hammer strike harder for heavier pellets. TO make this test better though, the tester should have used slugs and should have maxed out the regulator. Of course if you use these kinds of power, the number of shots falls dramatically. My air rifle has a large bottle and I can get 90 or so shots of .15 grain pellest at 840 fps, but a 40 grain pellet at 1040 fps really cuts down the shots per fill.
If you used tin pellets you could probably get close to 1200fps but you would lose mass. Curious if it might make a difference. Kinda how 5.56 works to defeat body armor. 22 cal lighter projectile going really fast.
Cool but pointless exercise, in my opinion. If you are looking for penetration, then why use hollow points projectiles? I thought that the whole point of a hollowpoint is that it quickly dumps all its energy on entry causing maximum cavitation and damage, rather then merely passing through and leaving a nice neat hole behind?
Ballistics, slower and lighter never penetrates more than heavier and faster. MATH. I choked on my coffee when you said 3 jugs for the pellet, loved it.
I expected the results you got with the single jug on the air powered rifle. 22LR is way underrated by many.
Your joking right
@HeWhoIsWhoHeIs you're too stupid to understand. Air rifles can take down a large game like deer bear elk try that with 22.
@HeWhoIsWhoHeIs you're too stupid to understand. Air rifle can takedown big game like Bears elk deer try that with 22.
@@markchapman2585 you're not your. 🤗😉🤗
A .22 solid air rifle slug with a little Q10 penetrating oil wiped off with a finger, went through 6 tins.
Another important thing about air pellets, they don't have the sectional density or weight of a regular bullet of the same caliber so they won't carry as much energy, even if velocity was equal. Great video! I have a Gamo .177 spring-piston and when I 'diesel' it, it goes from 770fps to 990fps with a 10.5gr. pellet.
Air pellet vs 22 short next.
oh, i'd like to see that! i didn't even know they still made .22 shorts.
22Ramset pushing 22 pellets.... No comparisons apply😂
One water jug or not, these modern air rifles are WAY more powerful than the ones I saw in the 70s. I agree that it ought to work fine for varmint work, but I think I'll keep on using my rimfire guns. IMHO, the 22LR is much more versatile.
That was a great video, WTH. I enjoyed watching and comparing results with you.
Modern air rifles shoot "slugs" instead of skirted pellets = more mass
They are also capable of same speeds as subsonic 22lr rifles while shooting up to 9mm "slugs"
I have a .177 cal pellet rifle that shoots around 1,000 fps advertised. I shot a 1 gal water jug at 25 yards and it zipped right through both sides. Never tried 2 jugs. I was impressed it went clean through.
You are the best gun guy on the Internet brother!!! Love the vids. And you seem to be just a regular guy like probably all your viewers!!! Keep up the great work you do brother!!!
🙏🙏🙏 appreciate you watching
Great video as always. I received an Avenge-X for Christmas and did this test with it. I was shooting Crosman Premier .22 HP at 14.3 gr. Shooting @890 f.p.s. At 20 yards it shot thru a single milk jug. It would also shoot thru a Simply Orange jug with the thicker plastic at the same distance. So far the Avenge-X has a squirrel and 3 sparrows to its credit. They are awesome!!!
Those Simply Orange bottles are pretty tuff in my experience.
Whew! Before long you'll be goin' straight through Pringle's cans! HAW HAW HAW!
Had.caliber.speed.what
Happened.to.mass?
@@allanbudge-sb9zj it says. 14.3 gr.
I'd like to see a closer comparison velocity wise. Maybe your Avenger vs some of the CCI Quite 22 subsonics. I think the Quite version is around 800-900 fps.
Better would be to try it against a modern air rifle that can shoot 40 gram slugs at 1040 fps. Sure, the .22 is still going to be a little more powerful, but the air rifle is pretty close, and 200 slugs cost $15, while 200 LR costs about $100.
I’m picking rimfire all day. I can go from 710fps up to 1600 fps with the same rifle by just changing ammo .
The molecular integrity of the milk jug was damaged by the 22lr...
😂😂😂😂
Yup!
If people don’t believe you they need to get lost…But it is good to stay humble.. You seem like a genuine good ol boy to me 😁😎 hope to shake your hand some day WTW 🎉
Pretty impressive pellet for sure. I don't think I've ever seen one expand that well before. Might need to try those in my break barrel. I usually use JSB pellets because of their accuracy.
I started watching your friend Heavy Metal’s videos. I like his delivery…seems like a pretty cool dude!
Very cool dude
Yes he is.
What's the channel?
@@tjdement8229 heavy metal guns
@@tjdement8229 it's a very good channel.
If your into cars he also has a body shop channel. It's linked on his gun page
My buddy had me sight in his air rifle, and that damn hand pump is for the birds. Use one of you have to but if you can buy one, most definitely get a powered compressor for these things. Your back will thank you, folks.
I have a tank. I can get 100 rounds out of the tank on my rifle and I can fill that tank 10 times with the large refill tank. 1,000 rounds total plus or minus. Takes seconds to refill the rifle. The store I bought the rifle from gives me free lifetime refills. I'm very happy with the setup and being a resident of California it opens up worlds of opportunities that are denied firearms.
@edstimator1 these air rifles are a game changer for folks in your state. I have a small tank I use for stuff. It's nice that you get lifetime refills on yours. These things are awesome.
It really is a game changer not only for Californicators but in National parks too. Nightime hunting rules are changed. Firearm rules don't apply. It's all just different in a better way. Be sure to check with the local authorities because in the end, it really is up to their interpretation of the legalities but you can also check with other authorities that may buttress your pleading.There is always ONE GUY in the district that is THE LAW.@@TheGeekiestGuy
Keep in mind bullet weights too. I saw a test where a guy did a soft clay test between the two but he used a .25 caliber PCP airgun because it is closer to the equivalent of a 22 LR and it's still amazing the extra damage the LR did. It went straight through the clay block and left about an inch hole with a 3-4 inch crater on the inlet side and the .25 pellet might have went all the way through I can't remember but it was no hole and only had about a 1-1/2 inch crater. And I love PCP airguns I recently acquired a Korean lever action in .25. it's awesome and powerful but overall a 22 LR still beats it. But to know it's power people readily hunt smaller hogs with .25 caliber PCP airguns. Part of that is airguns obviously have limitations so headshots are a must.
WTW. I wonder if they both would make it out of the back of the jug that caught them, if the next jug was an inch away instead of them all touching.
Possible
Like the mushroom on the 22 pellet great video
Cool comparison. You should revisit the same test and use an airgun slug hollow point. Then you have slug versus slug, and turn up the power on the Avenger to get 950 plus FPS. Use at least a 30 grain aigun slug. 30.5 grain ZAN slug in .218 diameter.
Exactly. Man air guns can shoot a 40 grain slug at 1040 fps or more. Many people don't really understand how poweful air rifles have gotten. Now the .22 slug will not be quite as powerful as the .22 LR, but considering you can buy 200 for $15 vs $100 for the same number of .22 LR. I have been shooting air rifles for three decades and I would never go back to powder for just plinking around or for light game. (I can buy 500 .22 hollowpoints for $7. Wow!
@@shenmisheshou7002 just think about my Airforce Texan LSS .457 caliber shooting an NSA 350 grain slug producing 600 plus FPE. My Impact M3 in .357 caliber is getting 168 to 172 FPE.
@@airguns_rc I kept it to the .22 to be fair to the comparison of the same caliber, but yes, a lot of firearms people don't really understand how powerful airguns have gotten. Per caliber, the firearm ammo is more powerful, but if you shoot a lot, as I do (about 500 shots a month, the cost of a really good airgun and compressor starts to look better and better the more you shoot. I stopped shooting firearms on a regular basis when I first discovered precision arighuns just before the Atlanta Olympics. My gun store/range had a 10M match pistol in their display case. I was infatuated by it and that was the beginning of the end of my regular shooting of firearms. I still have a 9mm pistol and a Colt Python, but I almost never shoot them. I shoot my FX Maverick 4 or 5 times a week.
@@shenmisheshou7002 I wasn’t mentioning the Texan to shoot against the .22 LR. I run the airgun competitions in The Greater Cincinnati Area. We have five airgun disciplines now this year. We have four clubs in Ohio, but at my club Fairfield Sportsman Association we have ASA 100 yard sanctioned Benchrest Competitions, Sanctioned N50 Benchrest Competitions starting this year, Rifle Field Target on a wooded course, we are starting pistol field target this year, and we are having speed silhouette competitions after the N50 competitions. I shoot at least 500 rounds a week and probably more between all my different calibers. I also attend the international competitions. Great people and great competitions. Who Tee Who got bit by the airgun bug last year. He has a few Airguns now. He has a Seneca Big Bore as well, the new Avenge X, and he has an FX Impact. I have my firearms and enjoy shooting them, but I honestly enjoy shooting my Airguns more.
@@shenmisheshou7002damn, $100 for 200 rounds of .22 LR is expensive. You could buy .22 LR for as low as $3.99 for a box of 50 down here in Texas.
Thanks for another great video. I am glad to see you still have your Bergara BMR. I really like mine.
Pellets much cheaper and just as much fun I will go with pellets, And pellet rifle is not firearm.
Handy in city limits.
Today I did my own milk jug test with my 5.56 Ruger Ranch using Barnes TTX bullets I only had 5 jugs so I put a 3/4 inch piece of plywood in front of the jugs the bullet went through the plywood and stopped in the last jug it retained its original 70 grains and expanded perfectly . The Barnes TTX copper bullets are very accurate and the penetration was more than I expected, should make a very good hunting bullet for medium-sized game including deer out to 250 yards. You should give them a try. P S Love your videos.
Awesome
I always like to mess around with the 177 and the 22 pellet rifle. I put some vicks vaporub
In the back side of the pellets. An then check the speed difference. Some people call it dieseling. You don't have to fill it to up half way to 3/4. It will be faster then the 22 LR. Just to let you know don't use some cheap pellet rifle. At 50 yards I can get a 1 to 1 1/2 inch Group. I don't know if you can show this on RUclips. It sounds like you're shooting a 22 LR. It a fun thing to mess around with.
Anyone else see a tiny wooden spool with four tiny milk jugs on it!??? See the beginning.
I have a rim-fire air rifle that was factory made by Crossman to only shoot .22 pellets. They have made (most air rifle companies) these guns for decades.
i would suggest doing a 22 pistol, 3 or 4 in barrel test with about the same FPS as the pellet rifle. that would be fun to see.
Same Two Rifles clay Block video
Cool comparison WTW, enjoyed watching!
Thanks for watching!
“Real careful-like”, I love it. I will henceforth no longer use adverbs! Honest-like!
I have a Gamo magnums .22 caliber with velocity 1750 fps. Nice to see air tool
That air rifle is a low power rifle. There are plenty of air rifles with greater power/velocity that are closer to the rimfire. Also, the weight of the lr projectile is twice that of the pellet. That is a doubly unfair comparison. If you used a slug in the air rifle and a high-power air rifle it would be a fairer comparison. A better comparison would be an FX Impact with slugs verses the .22 lr.
I would love to see more of a hunting pellet come out on the market. Softer lead on the inside and copper coated. I've been testing a bunch of different ones on my trapline and in a live animal I think a better pellet would be a good combo with these new rifles. Perhaps a Remington core lock pellet!😍
Let's go dieseled pellet. 😮 If you do so, do it sparingly. Looking forward to the show my friend, see you soon.
Thanks for watching
I have been onto WTW to diesel a pellet for YEARS!!
@@user-sp4gy7ko5l I have done it in a video before
Dieseling does not work with PCP rifles, just in spring piston rifles. I tried it many time before with many different oils, Vaseline and even real diesel.
The 2nd and 3rd milk jugs were touching, or it would prob. have penetrated into the third. If you want penetration with a pellet rifle, you need solid ammo. I have had my 22 cal. break barrel air rifle do three milk jugs. It Chrono's around 800 fps with a 14 grain pellet. Most pellet guns will not compete with a 22 LR . Even shorts, but will do a number on small game, if the shot placement is right on. Thanks for the video!
Be cool to see this tested with 22 LR fitting concrete blanks pushing 22 pellets. They make different strength blanks as well. Curious on the different speeds and penetration
I came here looking for this comment.
Another great video, thank you WTW
Always appreciate you watching!
Słaba energetycznie wiatrówka pcp i źle dobrany śrut..zbyt lekki i niedopasowany kształt ( sług 2g^ )
I am also rolling in the camo crocs, mine are fleece lined for our crappy weather
Good evening all, I’ll be waiting to watch the video !!
Thanks for watching!
A lot of people thinks pellet guns match 22 lr lots of people think 9 mm matches 357 magnum not quite but I wouldn't mind having one of those air guns
I'm on team LR, but respect the applications of a pellet where firearms would cause problems. Otherwise, they cost the same per shot(If you use the non-lead pellets that I use), and one simply hits harder.
How about a cost comparison. Initial cost , ammo cost, setup cost, etc.
Usually I don't have much interest in the air powered guns but this was an interesting test. Really enjoyed the video.
Thanks for watching!
Think if you used a dome pellet or a crossman HP you would have probably been right. The crow Mag had a huge HP. Good video!!!
Good test video WTW. The results are about what I expected. If you want to do another test, then use a .22LR with a solid bullet. I think the solid round-nose .22 LR will go further than the hollow point .22 LR. cartridge.
Maybe, next time use an air rifle powered by a pump-up/handle instead of an air compressor tank gizmo. Not all of us can afford an air-compressor gun.
You should do a comparison of the 22 air rifle vs 22CB.. they're both going pretty much the same speed
A better comparison would be 22cal CB rounds or shorts VS 22cal pellet rifle....
I have done a test on a watermelon with a hollowpoint airgun pellet at about 1600 fps. The watermelon completely exploded on impact, there was no exit hole so it completely desintegrated😮. No, it wasn't a regular airgun. Lesson learned: overspeeding a hp airgun pellet is lethal on impact😮
Enjoy all those old jug videos
Hey!
I’m going to have to test my pellet slinger it claims on barrel 1300 fps but it’s only .177 good stuff here thanks for another great test
Maybe one more test? Fire the air pellet out of the rifle using a power hammer blank cartridge. Should get some awesome speeds and damage. Let us know if you try it. Great video...as always!!
I would like to see more .22 air rifle, I do like that crow mag. I'm trying to find a great projectile. Benjamin vaporizer.
This is an abject outrage!! ,but I like it.
I have a haard time understanding why that these air rifle companies can make a product that pushes a 250 gr. Slug at 850 fps but that dont make a product that pushes a 28 gr. Slug at 1200 fps. Is there some kind of engineering block on lower caliber pcp rifles? I have a dana springer in .177 and new it was pushing its pellet at 1235 fps. That rules out any limits on the ammount of air getting into the chamber. If a springer can a pcp should be even better.
Larger calibres have more surface area for the air to push on. It's that simple.
Pellets by design are very accurate at around 900 fps (give or take). They hook and curve and get kind of a crazy wobble as they get faster.
I would have guessed a market factor of people wanting to keep them subsonic so they stay quiet without the crack of projectiles breaking the sound barrier.
Staying subsonic certainly a benefit, but airgunners are striving for accuracy first and foremost. Anyone who speaks of highest fps doesn't know airguns
All these answers are nice but they still don't explain the difference in my .177 cal 1200 plus fps springer and a pcp of almost any caliber that only gets 800 fps. Also accuracy is no argument as that dana springer can punch the same hole all day long if it's serviced properly. As for understanding the need for speed my background is hunting and even if it were paper punching the flatter a gun shoots the more human error you eliminate.
In the next comparison video between air vs firearm, it will be cool if you find both projectiles with the same mass!
Weight difference in projectiles made the difference IMO. Good Job wtw
I'm glad your doing more jug videos again since ur doing rimfite you should do the 17hmr the 17 grain tipped vs the 20 hollow point
I am not 100% sure why this is so interesting, but it is very interesting. Great experiment.
Thanks for watching!
Now you need to "Diesel" that pellet. A drop of oil in the air cavity. Using my Gammo Maxxim shooting at a 2x10 a standard shot penetrated 4/32in. After adding the drop of oil, it penetrated 21/32in. Apparently the oil ignites and fires that pellet out like a .22L. I've broken the sound barrier creating a crack that any gun guy would swear id just shot a .22LR!
OUTSTANDING REVIEW🎯🎯🎯🌟👌🏾‼️
Thanks for watching
I think a .22 short, if you can find them, is going to be closer to an air rifle. Weren’t they usually around 800-900fps?
Yea, shorts are around that velocity. There’s also super calibra that are around 600.
I’ll predict that it would even be close. At all.
Why not gell instead of water jugs ? when I was younger shot pellet through water filled aluminum canten both sides with one shot 22 cal air rifle !...
Gel is very expensive
Air rifles are great for backyard practice. You can use a suppressor to mute the sound but I have to say WOW are they expensive! I'm in the wrong business lol
That Bugara is a sweet rifle. I am not familiar with the brand of PCP you used but I'm just going to bet you can shoot a tighter group with it at 25 or even 50 yards than you can with the rimfire. Off the bench, fully supported on both rifles of course. I think you will be surprised. Love your vids, man.
They're both subsonic so I'm not surprised by the results. If the 22 long was supersonic it would've broken up and only gone as far as the pellet, I don't think the jacket on the 22 long made that much difference. I'll go with the rim fire first cause I don't want to take the time to re gas my gun all the time.
Have you seen the Slugs for air rifles? I would like to see the difference in performance. Reg vs slugs
.22 air rifles are about handgun velocity, but of course a much lighter pellet/ bullet weight. For small game at short range a .22 air rifle is very capable, Hay you can even get .30 cal air rifles capable of taking deer.
The .22lr is as always very effective on a lot of game, it's often dismissed as weak and almost a "toy" but it's definitely not. A lot of people have been killed by accident because others didn't think it capable of much, and disregarded a safe backstop.
You sound like the voice from family guy. Im listening to you with my eyes closed you sound just like him lol😂
🤣🤣🤣
No, He is Hank Hill.
you can adjust for more speed out of the air rifle . you can also get slugs
I think you would find more penetration, possibly if you used a non-expanding pellet. Some pellets even have a sharp pointed head that you could try as comparison.
I knew exactly what was gonna happen here but watched any way. When I was growing up I had a sheridan pellet rifle. I know what they can do vs a .22.
Lower speed and less mass equals a lot less kinetic energy, that was some nice expansion from the pellet though, I wasn't expecting that 😮
You would have had a better comparison with a pellet with a conical tip similar to a 22lr. Tough to compare a wadd cutter to a Spitzer boat tail
I want to know what would happen if you loaded a 22 caliber pellet behind a ram set blank, I bet you would get some high velocities
If you use a heavier pellet at about 900 fps you will have more penetration. Those crow magnum pellet is one of the wors pellets out there.
Love the jug videos too and gotta get me a good ol 22lr Rifle
You should also compare the cost of each weapon along with the air compressor and ammunition as well.
Do barrel lengths of test rifles have any significant impact on velocity?
A bit
You should try the CCI 22 Quiets, those would be a fair match with the pellet gun, very similar velocity.
And compare the Quiets with the CCI Stingers, see what kind of difference velocity really makes. 👍😉
Thank you for the data. Can you diesel that pellet gun with chap stick?
I killed a 6 point buck with a 22 pellet out of a Benjamin nitro piston rifle. It was an accident…just testing the thing out. Had no idea it was lethal in any scenario. Hip fired it at a deer in my yard. Killed it after hitting it behind the ear (we found out when fish n game came over)
If Daisy was smart thery would bring back the 922 , Improve the speed some get it up into the 750fps range
Which one would I pick? Thank God I live in a state with freedom. I can pick both.
I have a FX M3 30 cal. I also have the same compressor. I am in the 950 fps range. With Diablo 44gr pellets. I seem to enjoy shooting my air more than the rim. I thought it would have went into the second jug 💫🤘
Your heavy breathing sounds like mine before my heart stent. You are a handy guy building that fun property. Shame if the next guy gets to enjoy it. OR, what if he's a gun hater ?
Bet if you compared the 22 short to the lr the short will have better penetration. Slower velocity makes them expand less and travel further
Awesome video as usual brother. But as a airhead I gotta say there are much badder 22 air rifles out there. A 36gr 22 slug at 1050 is well within reach. That being said the avenger is a great little plinker. Stay awesome WTW
I just did this experiment with my Huben K1 .25 cal. I used Vermont knocker 47 grain slugs moving at 1050 fps. It went through all 4 milk jugs and I didn't catch the slug.
Adam good video, if you really want to see good expansion from a pellet gun, try some zan slugs, rgds steve
just another piece of data, my Daisy pump .177 can sling a pellet at 695 fps on 8 or 10 pumps, i forget which, my break barrel gamo slings .22 at less than that, like 650 ish, sorry, dont have the weight data for each of those measurments
Depends on the type of airgun
Pcp airguns are the most powerful regardless of caliber
You can get over 2500fps easily
The pellets are designed to be as light as possible. Not really a fair test considering the weight and density difference.
I'd like to see a pneumatic rifle that slings the exact same round for a better comparison
Thanks for sharing the video. Looks like both performed like they should. . 👍🇺🇸
Thanks for watching
The chronograph of the air rifle .22 is slightly higher than a 32 grain 22LR CCI Stinger being shot by a North American Arms (NAA) with a 1.13" barrel (this tiny revolver can fit into a pack of cigarettes, 100's). Comparing these two in milk jugs (or anything else) would be incredibly fascinating! I wish more 22LR comparisons used the NAA 22LR, as it is basically the worst case scenario option for this round.
Also the energy transfer destruction between the air rifle and 22LR was very significant. The air rifle basically just poked a hole. Whereas the 22LR caused a small explosion in the first jug. Would these results be the same with a 22LR being shot at roughly the same velocity as the air rifle?
36 grains at 850fps is less than half the energy of the 36 grain at 1280fps 57 ft lbs vs 131, and that crow mangum pellet is 18 grains at 850fps so its only 28 ft/lbs of energy.
Do you have 22 pellets of different styles? Using a flat or round nose pellet might give you different results. The flat nose may expand a bit but give more pentration, the round nose pellet should expand less and give even more penetration.
If you have other pellet shapes could you do a test comparing them to the hollow point pellet. Depending on what you are shooting the performance of the pellet on the target could mean a clean kill or just a wounded animal. I had a pellet rifle years ago, just some off brand, don't even recall the brand, about 750 fps with lead pellets. 17 caliber and used the flat nose pellets to hunt rabbits. They killed very well. The round nose tended to pas right through and ofyen i had to shoot a second time after sesrching sround the brush to find it.
At the time I lived in New Mexico, and scrambling around in the brysh wasn't always a good idea. Snakes, scorpions and throny brush made that not do much fun.
wow.. I had no idea what a .22 air powered rifle can do.. Now I am wondering what a .22 air vs. .177 air would match up. I any case, impressive video. Thanks!!
This test under-rates modern .22 air rifles. My .22 air rifle can shoot a 40 grain slug at 1040 fps, This is not quite as powerful as a .22 long rifle, but it is pretty close. On the other hand, I can plink with 14 grain hollow points that cost almost nothing at 820 fps for target work. I think 500 cost me $7. To get this kind of power, you would need to use a PCP air rifle. The Avenger he used in the test can fire a .22 slug, but to get it to high power, he would need to adjust the regulator. More expensive air rifles allow you to use a wheel to adjust the hammer strike harder for heavier pellets. TO make this test better though, the tester should have used slugs and should have maxed out the regulator. Of course if you use these kinds of power, the number of shots falls dramatically. My air rifle has a large bottle and I can get 90 or so shots of .15 grain pellest at 840 fps, but a 40 grain pellet at 1040 fps really cuts down the shots per fill.
@@shenmisheshou7002 Many thanks for taking the time to educate me. It's greatly appreciated.. Ron-
If you used tin pellets you could probably get close to 1200fps but you would lose mass. Curious if it might make a difference. Kinda how 5.56 works to defeat body armor. 22 cal lighter projectile going really fast.
An Avenger is a regulated rifle with power adjustments. What was your power setting?
Cool but pointless exercise, in my opinion. If you are looking for penetration, then why use hollow points projectiles? I thought that the whole point of a hollowpoint is that it quickly dumps all its energy on entry causing maximum cavitation and damage, rather then merely passing through and leaving a nice neat hole behind?
Those 50 cal air rifles are pretty cool.
Absolutely