"Gender Medicine is Un-evidenced!" The Cass Review w/ Andrew Doyle | The Winston Marshall Show
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2024
- Andrew Doyle has been one of the leading journalists in Britain covering the gender wars and trans issues. We sat down to discuss Hillary Cass' recently published Review of paediatric gender care in the UK. We cover the report itself, the context and the implications. How it's been covered in the media and whether or not it has vindicated the so-called "TERFs".
Is the Cass Review a turning point in Trans issues, or just another warning that will be disparaged or ignored?
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Thank GOD that the HORRORS of what these butchers have done to children is finally coming out! 💯
Let’s hope it’s the beginning of the end.
And to adults!! Adults have been conned and mutilated too.
@@lil-alExactly. It's not just kids. It affects vulnerable adults too.
This stuff is the new face of RELIGIOUS authoritarianism.
The entire concept of sex-independent "genders", is a RELIGIOUS belief, in the most literal sense; A belief "taken on faith", with exactly zero basis in evidence, which believers use to make moral judgements about the world.
Your "gender" is just a slightly-tweaked version of the traditional religious "soul"- An invisible, 100% undetectable thing which has no basis in demonstrable, empirical evidence, which (believers claim) every person has, which (somehow?) defines "your TRUE self", "your REAL identity", on some super-profound, supernatural level, seperate from evidence-based reality. And which (somehow?) provides A FAR GREATER TRUTH than mere, trivial, insignificant, verifiable physical reality (which is why they claim that your objectively-real, evidence-based, biological sex is trivial, to the point of irrelevancy... but your 100% evidence-free, self-declared """gender""" is SUPER important, and is "your TRUE, AUTHENTIC SELF", which everyone else MUST affirm as """truth""")
[This is not attacking people who believe in "the soul", or traditional religions in general; I have no issue with religions who ADMIT that they're religions, and who don't try to push their faith onto non-believers... The problem is when a religion DENIES being "a religion", and instead invades our medical establishment, school system, legal system, gov't, etc, demanding we treat religious beliefs like sex-independent "gender" as if they are FACT, rather than a supernatural belief, that's 100% taken on faith...]
Altering the bodies of healthy children, justified by ZERO evidence-based criteria, justified ONLY by "just a social construct" is objectively NOT "medicine"- By defintion, ACTUAL medicine must be EVIDENCE-BASED...
In reality, these procedures have EXACTLY as much medical validity, as the horrors of Islamic female genital mutilation- Done using THE EXACT SAME standard of evidence as so-called "gender-affirming care"; A standard which doesn't use ANY TINY SHRED of actual, physical, empirical evidence, but which instead relies 100% on a standard of "but it FEELS true, to ME!!"
We just need to start consistently treating the idea of "gender", independent of evidence-based sex, the same as we treat ANY OTHER similiar religious concept, like "the soul", or "chi energy"|, or "karma" or "meridians" or "body thetans"... And to start calling these people out, as the authoritarian religious zealots that they are...
Yes but nothing actually happening. No staff disciplined, prosecuted, held to professional standards or anything else. New clinics being opened with the same staff put in charge. Everyone pretending this is all a shock when the contents of the report have been known for some time - there's an old interview on Triggernometry. Response seems to be flimflam with no action or consequences.
Bravo Andrew Doyle, we need more voices like you to lead us out of this insanity
Andrew Doyle, Julie Bindel, Kathleen Stock, Maya Forstater, Helen Joyce, Hannah Barnes, Kellie-Jay Keene, Graham Linehan, Billboard Chris, Kara Dansky, Abigail Shrier, Sall Grover, Helen Staniland, Allison Bailey, Keira Bell, Dennis Kavanagh, Jo Phoenix, James Esses, Bev Jackson, Stella O'Malley, James Dreyfus, Rosie Duffield, Joanna Cherry, Neale Hanvey, Kemi Badenoch, Claire Fox - all the others I can't remember off the top of my head. Wonderful people. Totally vindicated.
j k rowling
Matt Walsh
Kellie Jay Keen
Mr Menno, Arty Morty
Thankyou for the list of people that have fought and continue to fight this. I will add Meghan Murphy (Canada), Madeline Berns ( RIP) and of course JKR. Who else have we forgotten to mention?
Here in the US, the mainstream media is silent on this.
and in Canada, of course :( CBC did a piece full of lies and referencing WPATH "standards of care!" Crazy making!
A coordinating body of brave professionals is what you need. Then again, poor Jordan Peterson tried his best 😔
In Australia the most of the media are just ignoring this report as they also ignored the The WPATH Files. As a retired health professional I reject the notion that there are good people doing bad things. A cursory investigation into WPATH would have made it clear that this was not a medical organisation but an activist group. I did this investigation and any halfway competent health professional would have done the same. Anyone who has been involved in this barbarism needs to be de-registered and banned from contact with children.
. Absolutely. I have written to various health ministers here about it- no response.
@@noroomforsquares4483 >>No Response
So glad 'TERF' Island is living up to its name. So proud of this report and the vindication to those of us who have been shouting about this for years.
There are two aspects of the Cass report - 1. the IS ( the assessment of the history of evidence basis , and impacts etc ) and 2. The OUGHT ( what should happen now). Unfortunately the good people on the side of defending children against sterilizing pathways are mostly missing the fact that the two parts of the review are diabolically and intentionally contradictory, and Cass has actually setup a pathway to continuing experimenting on children, especially on the very youngest of children. It is a very maolevolent kind of controlled release, where damages are admitted AND a broader ( and more protected from disruption) pathway to perpetrate this on more of the youngest children is setup.
This is NOT strategic concilliation . This is a very sophisticated psychological manipulation. And a first point you need to understand is that puberty blockers ARE NOT being banned or even limited (beyond a very short reset pause of a few months ). All Cass demands is that ALL presenting children are to be enrolled in a mass study ( which then qualifies them for blockers if young enough). Please read the report again with an eye for strategy in the other direction.
@@georginawhitby1320 can you please simply I struggle to read so if you can thanks
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@@georginawhitby1320OK, so what am getting is that they want to do a study on all the children who say there trans? To be honest am far people being able to Transition and by preventing it can cause a lot of pain for people I do think we need better systems in place because Completely banding it is playing Favourites that kids who generally have these problems will be told to fuck off because of people who think they have it, what am trying to say is it would be cruel to complete stop it because kids who generally are will probably not get the help they need. Like I get where these people come from I just don't want to see normal kids get push above people who generally need it, hopefully this works out just don't want to see more of my friends kill them self because of a failing systems
The irony of yt putting one of those ludicrous warning banners underneath a video of an interview with a gay man.
Irony, or deliberate misdirection?
The Trevor Project 'context' post appears under every video concerned with this subject. I - and I know others - have consistently complained to RUclips that this is a harmful, pseudo-scientific group, but to no avail.
Anytime you see one of RUclips’s context boxes under a video you know what’s in the video is the truth & that the elite scumbags don’t want any of us to hear the truths in the video.
What's hilarious and indeed ironic is that the definition the Trevor Project gives for "conversion therapy" applies to the trans agenda and medical attempts to change your gender identity/expression through puberty blockers, hormone therapy, and surgery.
There is no RUclips is going to listen to your complaints. They are locked in the feel-good rather than the fact-based worldview. Plus, they dont want to lose revenue from the raving, teary activists.@@carltaylor6452
From the first moment I heard about 'Gender Care' for minors I knew this was going to be the lobotomy of the 21th century: treating a psychological issue with surgery.
The purposeful vagueness and subjectivity on the topic only increased my suspicions.....
Permanent solutions for temporary problems
Kellie Jay Keene gets called all sorts and was assaulted in NZ - she put her life at risk for the truth
Hes a brave man to take on the gay mafia , keep it up sir ,,,, We older gays are thankful !!!!!!
Yep, incredibly brave and honourable.
Agree but the elders of the gay and lesbian community also need to speak up as you have widely and forcefully.
The reason for the lack of coverage on WPATH is actually a lot simpler than you realise, they do not want people to look into them independent of Thier narrative.
I encourage everyone to go look at the people who founded WPATH and what Thier beliefs were... These people are completely bonkers and it's super obvious
Look further back still. Dr John Money (coined the term ‘gender’)
Founder of gender theory just HAPPENED to be a raving paedophile! 🤨
Non of this should be covered by the tax payer.
Yet where I work as a nurse I've seen it promoted. Disgraceful.
The context crap added below the video by RUclips is ridiculous.
Thank you for inviting Andrew on - I love hearing what you both have to say and appreciate your bravery in these difficult times ❤
I am going to write to my mp and all the other candidates in my area prior to the forthcoming general election, to ask their views on transgender care and the Cass report. I will not vote for anyone who does not have the backbone to stand up these activists who seek to harm children and women’s rights. I urge others in the UK to do the same. Thank you for this conversation 👏🏽
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You'll be lucky if you get any response at all.
This conversation is very important, and Andrew Doyle has consistently been a brave and insightful voice on this topic- however unfortunately he is wrong about the final implications of the Cass Review report.
There are two aspects of the Cass report - 1. the IS ( the assessment of the history of evidence basis , and impacts etc ) and 2. The OUGHT ( what should happen now). Unfortunately the good people on the side of defending children against sterilizing pathways are mostly missing the fact that the two aspects of the review are diabolically and intentionally contradictory, and Cass has actually setup a pathway to continuing experimenting on children, especially on the very youngest of children. It is a very malevolent kind of controlled release via Cass , where damages are admitted AND a broader ( and more protected from disruption) pathway to perpetrate this on more of the very youngest children is set up.
( This follows the " thesis - antithesis- synthesis " Hegelian dialectical strategy of neutralizing dissent).
This is NOT strategic conciliation . This is a very sophisticated psychological manipulation. And a first point you need to understand is that puberty blockers ARE NOT being banned or even limited (beyond a very short reset pause of a few months ). All Cass demands is that ALL children presenting for " gender dysphoria/ incongruity/ diversity " related assessment are to be enrolled in a mass study ( which then qualifies them for blockers if young enough). Please read the report again with an eye for strategy in the other direction.
… stand up “against”?
The BBC will never apologise.
The bbc needs to be defunded! Totally unprincipled liars working for the bbc. Cult members. Sad people.
Thanks to you both for shining a light on this terrible treatment of children. Hope Canadian medical practitioners pay attention to the Cass review.
Lols. As a Canadian, I can assure you they won't. It's nothing but a disgusting woke dystopia here.
There are two aspects of the Cass report - 1. the IS ( the assessment of the history of evidence basis , and impacts etc ) and 2. The OUGHT ( what should happen now). Unfortunately the good people on the side of defending children against sterilizing pathways are mostly missing the fact that the two parts of the review are diabolically and intentionally contradictory, and Cass has actually setup a pathway to continuing experimenting on children, especially on the very youngest of children. It is a very malevolent kind of controlled release, where damages are admitted AND a broader ( and more protected from disruption) pathway to perpetrate this on more of the youngest children is setup.
This is NOT strategic conciliation . This is a very sophisticated psychological manipulation. And a first point you need to understand is that puberty blockers ARE NOT being banned or even limited (beyond a very short reset pause of a few months ). All Cass demands is that ALL presenting children are to be enrolled in a mass study ( which then qualifies them for blockers if young enough). Please read the report again with an eye for strategy in the other direction.
You are a great interviewer Winston. Andrew is amazing. People need to hear about this. The corporate media will not cover any of this. Thank you Andrew and Winston.
The NHS is drowning. We don't need expensive ideology added to the expenses and ahead in the queue of life-giving care
Excellent, intelligent discussion.
Andrew is wonderful. ❤
I adore Andrew Doyle! A much needed voice
Anyone hear about the Tickle vs Giggle case? News is very silent on it, but it is the first trial about gender ideology vs sex biology. If tickle wins, then lies will keep spreading
Judgment not due until the summer.
The Project uploaded about it yesterday, i think. I was surprised, because the media here in Australia has been deafeningly quiet about it. Which is weird, for obvious reasons (ie, not covering a big court case with overarching legal implications for our future). Grover had to leave Australia to be able to spread the word about it (according to her).
@@creatrixZBDAs an Australian I'm surprised.
It's a super important case and needs to be talked about, not just in Australia!
Male people who call themselves "trans woman" need to be referred to, politely, as "Trans-Identified Males", and the same in reverse for female people who call themselves "trans men". Call them, politely, "Trans-Identified Females". We need to take back the language in a meaningful, true and polite way.
“TIM” and “TIF” respectively have been used in the actual trans-SEXUAL community for a long time. That’s the real medical condition that’s very rare and that’s why those who pass TransGENDER ideology HATE them and call them nasty slurs.
And be prepared to be called a "bigot" and "transphobe" for blasphemy against cult dogma and its sacred language of gender "identity". Refer to biological sex at your peril... but absolutely necessary.
I call them men if they're men and you won't change my mind on it.
Good point, but I find ''trans identified males'' still confusing, since when I hear ''trans'' and ''male'' I am no longer sure what we are talking about anymore. I think that the real term should be completely unambiguous: ''males identifying as females""
Another deleted comment. Thanks youtube
I remember when Stonewall had power and integrity, and wasn’t synonymous with an authoritarian cult that harms the most vulnerable in society
Thing is, when ideologues get their way it’s not good enough! They’re only happy when they’re fighting or ‘dismantling’ more systems.
The sweet spot was the 90s. The hey got gay marriage, they achieved mainstream acceptance.
NOBODY CARED! But they kept on pushing. Now it’s MAPs.
They’re trying to nonce yer kids now! 😡
What they were is immaterial. The horrors they participate in now are what's real.
It sounds like it's suffering from the founders' dilemma. Is its primary purpose equality for homosexuals which it has achieved, or is it just about campaigning for the sake of it?
@@davelowe1977Stonewall was taken over by transactivists in 2015, after it had achieved same sex marriage. It needed new objectives and new money. Adding the T to LGB brought both... Stonewall's published account of the takeover is very revealing: with an abject, grovelling apology on every page -- no doubt extracted by the new tyrants -- for not havng acknowledged the T much, much sooner. And in a corresponding alteration to the logo, "LGB" was dropped.
@@davelowe1977 I reckon they didn’t want to lose their job or the power that came with it.
Thank you Winston and Andrew.
This is a fantastic exposition, Andrew Doyle. You have covered *so much* ground here.
Kudos to Winston for inviting you.🙂
The most articulate and intelligent commentator on these awful crimes. True moral courage! We owe AD so much.
You forgot to mention one of the most vocal of all GC campaigners who spoke out against Transing kids and thats Kelly Jay Keen. Thank god girls, kids had this woman. As a Lesbian l will always be grateful to KJK as well as the the wonderful Helen Joyce, Graham Linehan, JKR and yes you too Andrew.
What I don't see being tackled very much is the "+" in LGBTQIA+. What are the implications of this "+"? Surely it implies ANYTHING goes. We need to start talking about this "+" because I think we all know where this is going, especially given the proclivities of the founders of gender ideology.
Where is it going?
@@ApacheMagic It's right there in the first chapter of Gender Trouble, which was published 34 years ago.
Gore Vidal was opposed to the ideas of homosexual people. He said there were homosexual acts. He was afraid of the reduction of people separated because of what they chose to do in bed. He was right
If I said it would be censored.
@@ApacheMagicp e d o m e t e r a b u s e
This is one of the most logical, comprehensive conversations about the gender medical scandal I’ve heard. Thank you for the clarity of information. One thing I don’t agree with is that people can “do whatever they want” because it infringes on the rights of women’s safe spaces and sports. Also, the expectation that everyone lie about pronouns is ridiculous. Other that that, excellent discussion! 👏🏼👏🏼
Andrew Doyle generally does azimg work in this area, however unfortunately he has fallen for a trap in hos interpretation of the Cass Report.
There are two aspects of the Cass report - 1. the IS ( the assessment of the history of evidence basis , and impacts etc ) and 2. The OUGHT ( what should happen now). Unfortunately the good people on the side of defending children against sterilizing pathways are mostly missing the fact that the two parts of the review are diabolically and intentionally contradictory, and Cass has actually setup a pathway to continuing experimenting on children, especially on the very youngest of children. It is a very maolevolent kind of controlled release, where damages are admitted AND a broader ( and more protected from disruption) pathway to perpetrate this on more of the youngest children is setup.
This is NOT strategic concilliation . This is a very sophisticated psychological manipulation. And a first point you need to understand is that puberty blockers ARE NOT being banned or even limited (beyond a very short reset pause of a few months ). All Cass demands is that ALL presenting children are to be enrolled in a mass study ( which then qualifies them for blockers if young enough). Please read the report again with an eye for strategy in the other direction.
I live in a liberal neighborhood in New Orleans with many elderly trans women. It’s Blanche DuBois’ neighborhood. Many have cysts on their skin after decades of hormone replacement. And frail bones. They have male bodies at war with the female hormones
Cysts really??
Hormone and steroid treatment lowers the body's immune system. I've seen it as a nurse over the years.
Even women taking estrogen for HRT therapy for menopause are at risk of health problems. It's been known for years it causes cervical and breast cancer. It's why so many menopausal women will avoid them and look for natural remedies. I know because I'm a 53 year old woman and have spoken to my gynaecologist about it all. She flat out refused to put me on estrogen because of the risk to my health. She prescribed natural remedies that have worked instead. I'm grateful I have a great doctor who cares about her patients.
Tragic
Stella
Massive respect for Andrew Doyle. Great to hear reason again.
Bloody brilliant.
Andrew is consistently brilliant and Winston lets his guests express themselves fully.
That bloody Trevor Project advert is everywhere that talks about this.
Andrew is a voice of reason and clarity. He has been instrumental in exposing and fighting this insane ideology. I am grateful for his voice. Thank you, Andrew. You have done amazing work and have paid a high price for this. Thank you Winston for facilitating this convesation and also doing an important part on your channel.
I agree with you about Andrew Doyle's very important and insightful work on this topic more broadly, but he is sadly mistaken about the intended outcome of the Cass Review.
There are two aspects of the Cass report - 1. the IS ( the assessment of the history of evidence basis , and impacts etc ) and 2. The OUGHT ( what should happen now). Unfortunately the good people on the side of defending children against sterilizing pathways are mostly missing the fact that the two aspects of the review are diabolically and intentionally contradictory, and Cass has actually setup a pathway to continuing experimenting on children, especially on the very youngest of children. It is a very malevolent kind of controlled release via Cass , where damages are admitted AND a broader ( and more protected from disruption) pathway to perpetrate this on more of the very youngest children is set up.
( This follows the " thesis - antithesis- synthesis " Hegelian dialectical strategy of neutralizing dissent).
This is NOT strategic conciliation . This is a very sophisticated psychological manipulation. And a first point you need to understand is that puberty blockers ARE NOT being banned or even limited (beyond a very short reset pause of a few months ). All Cass demands is that ALL children presenting for " gender dysphoria/ incongruity/ diversity " related assessment are to be enrolled in a mass study ( which then qualifies them for blockers if young enough). Please read the report again with an eye for strategy in the other direction.
Private clinics should have their licences revoked and a ban on advertising their services
James O’Brien used to be a good voice. I stopped listening to him though after a few shocking shows that showed his misogyny in not listening to women. His treatment of Kellie-Jay Keene was appalling and the straw that broke this camel’s back.
Can't stand him. If you actually see his mannerisms and facial expressions on RUclips you realise how narcissistic he is.
He is a complete knobhead
Can you imagine a world where we surgically treated all mental disorders? Mental health issues need to be treated by a good therapist/psychiatrist not a surgeon. Health care professionals are taking advantage of vulnerable people and ruining lives.
Exactly, bariatric surgery for anorexics. It wouldn’t even be considered.
Thank you Andrew Doyle for standing up and fighting for what is right. If I was younger, I'd be joining you with full force.
This is a subject that has worried me for years especially as JK Rowling as been so maligned
Andrew, thank you so much for this highly articulate and honourable vid. Your personal journey over recent years, as you have intimated, has been difficult at times. However, what shines through is your personal sense of integrity and, dare I say, duty to speak truth to 'power'. Many thanks.
LGB without the TQ+
Nice of RUclips to give you a context card.
The algorithm does this if 'conversion therapy' is mentioned, regardless of context. No point in complaining to U-tube about it.
@@marieparker3822 There is always a point in complaining. Let's yt know we don't appreciate their childish attempts at gaslighting, propaganda or censorship.
I have heard that Stonewall has political influence because they have knowledge of sensitive information held on MPs, which they use as leverage to out them.
That would explain a lot!!! It keeps em in line, (or extort them) like P Diddly and Epstein did.
When good people do bad things, I don't think it's typically because they have good intentions warped by ideology. It's more that they are scared to death of bucking the ideology, or even of not participating in the persecution of anyone else who bucks the ideology, because they know what happens to such people. Fear is the core motive. But knowledge of one's own cravenness is unbearable, so the craven try hard to convince themselves that they act out of idealism, in an attempt at salvaging their self-respect. It's a sad spectacle.
It's also a very lucrative industry.
All apply
If you do something bad because you're afraid to do the right thing, you're not a good person.
Or its about money for big pharma, a lifetime dependence on medication
@@jasonwismer2670 I take your point, but when the fear gets strong enough (loss of employability, say, or social death), most of us are not that good.
"Gender identity services" should not exist as there is no such thing as gender identity. Gender is a linguistic construct, not an identity. Latin based languages all use gender in this way: masculine and feminine. Anyone who has studied languages knows this.
Using children to force this ideology on us is reprehensible. No child is "born in the wrong body" - such a nonsensical idea. Any knowledge of biology and how cells develop and chromosomes work knows this.
By the same token, noone can change sex. It is biologically impossible.
Anyone is welcome to live however they want, but do not expect us all to buy into their delusion. We can use the evidence of our own eyes. Wearing a dress does not change anything.
Really appreciated this pov. Very true.
A woman is an adult human who uses ova as a scheme to reproduce. A man is an adult human who uses sperm as a scheme to reproduce. There is nothing else. Everything else is cosplay
Gender is a social construct too. Words have multiple meanings... I'm sure you've had body dysmorphia and body dysphoria from time to time in your life. Cis-gender people experience that too. Ever wanted a rhinoplasty? Bigger boobs? Be thinner? Worn a dress instead of pants because it affirmed your identity as a woman? You perform your gender every day.
Anyone who studied languages knows about homonyms. Stop pretending that you studied linguistics when you didn't. You obviously never took a gender studies course.
But I guess you're just another one to add to the list of who's scared of the term gender. Such a benign term. So funny that it makes all of you conservatives squirm with fear LMAO.
Next you're going to tell me that calling a person who adopts non-biological children a "parent" is denying biological reality, because the only real parents are biological parents. Social definitions of words are obviously not lost on you, only when it involves transpeople and LGBT+... TERF...
Brilliant post. You've summed up perfected what I think. There should be no such thing as "gender identity services". It's all based on belief, nothing more.
You quite rightly pointed out that the word "gender" in "gender identity" has been misused, but you forgot to point out that "identity" suffers from an equal problem. One does NOT choose one's own identity. An identity is given to you by society, particularly the authorities. No-one used the phrase "I identify as XX" up until a few years ago: it is an entirely manufactured piece of verbal nonsense. So the term "gender identity" is almost literally Double Dutch.
Canadian here - love you Peter - I have been following this whole trans gender ideology confusion for about a year - solidly gender critical - have read all the books, watched hundreds of videos and listened to many podcasts. I just looked up the “CBC (our national broadcaster) and the Cass Review” to discover the only article (nothing on the broadcast news) featured a gender doctor espousing the WPATH Standards of Care (CPATH in Canada). And this was as of a few days ago. HELP!
Yep, Canadian mainstream media is ignoring all this.
Fellow 🇨🇦 it's frustrating that CBC is government funded to the tune of 70% so the coverage will be skewed to match the narrative. Super disappointing coverage.
Many thanks Winston, another enlightening discussion and the perfect companion to your previous interview with Michael Shellenberger on the WPATH files. Andrew Doyle is doing excellent work in clarifying the issues surrounding this complex and highly controversial topic and making it understandable for the wider public.
… because LGB&T have been lumped Into the same group… I don’t think they see converting a “L“ or “G” to a “T” as a true conversion. To them It’s a lateral move….🤨
That’s an interesting observation.
Right, you're still 'in the community' even if your orientation has been changed by reassignment.
Interesting
Darkness does not react well to exposure.
Thank you and also a big thanks to Graham Linehan, Helen Staniland, Arty Morty and James Dreyfus
Andrew Doyle you are a hero in this aspect of the culture war! The pursuit of truth remains the ultimate ideal.
Well done guys very clear discussion. Keep beating the drum we will win in time.
Is this a bizzare form of Munchausens by-proxy?
In many cases, I believe it absolutely is.
Absolutely! The parents are getting so much support and attention and don’t care that it’s at their children’s expense.
No such thing as a trans child. Just a child with homophobic, narcissistic or stupid parents. Probably a combination of all 3
Winston! Having Andrew Doyle on, the genius behind my favorite SJW, is just awesome. Great to see your channel doing so well, and it's a credit to your skills as an interviewer.
Doyley is the man! Love his work.
And in the US the pharmaceutical companies by mainstream media advertising on a huge scale (the level of pharmaceutical companies ads on CNN is ridiculous).
Absolutely, they can make a ton of money, almost like covid.
They’re creating lifelong customers
Much more important are trans billionaires and extreme left wing foundations such as the Tides Foundation making six figure grants to gay advocacy organizations to buy support for trans stuff. That's how ACLU, HRC, GLAAD, GLSEN, etc. have been converted into homophobic voices.
Took them ages to investigate and end this but no procedure in place to assess such MAJOR changes in treatment. Nah - just run with it. Heads should roll!!!!
When he said 'there are a lot of Cassandras' I thought he was talking about the Greek myth where Cassandra was cursed with having premonitions of horrible disasters and no one would believe her. ...kind of checks out to be honest.
Yes, that is the metaphor that Andrew often refers to.
Bravo!! Such an important topic for our time. And bravo, Winston, for your masterful direction of the interview!!
Who gave the Trevor Project clout to define reality warnings on RUclips?
They also have this on the Hilary Cass interview. Unbelievable that they can do this.
Surely activists that continue down a WPATH route would now be liable for prosecution.
Extremely interesting and important conversation. Much respect for you both covering this subject.
Thank you so much for this conversation Winston 🙏🏻
Great interview, thank you for this. 👍
That intro is about all I can take, if that doesn't make you disappointed, angry, disgusted, then I don't know what will. Doyle is common sense central, there's just no arguing with his honest and logical points, how did all these crazies get like this, where did they lose the plot and who let them take control like this? This all has to be stripped out of business & government now, but what's around the corner, a woketard labour government - Oh Dear!!!
Great interview. Well done!
Great interview WInston and I love the fact that you clearly research the matter being discussed beforehand.
Also, it might be worth re-recording your outro as the sound isn't great on it.
Thankful for such thoughtful and analytical reporting.
If you left children alone plus helpful therapy to them alone wouldn't the vast majority be more aligned with their sex by25,?
90%
excellent interview
55:30 min Andrew you are wrong. None of the groomer organizations will stop or recant until they go to jail. They will continue and morph and realign, likely through private clinics, they are broken.
Why is there a note about conversion therapy under this video? If you’re questioning your gender identity, then being able to talk about it is vital before going down the route of risky medical drugs and procedures. It’s not ‘dangerous or discredited’ at all. Coercion is already illegal. Talking is not.
Any organisation that proclaims ITSELF as the "World Professional Association" on their chosen field should be *immediately* investigated
49:59 Helen Joyce says that we have to talk around those people.
Great discussion.
Great interview - btw, I would leave a Super Thanks if that feature was available!
Thank you Winston for this interview and thank you Andrew for all you have done to protect innocents. There is light at the end of tunnel.
Thank you! ❤❤❤
Alberta (province ) in Canada 🇨🇦 has also banned puberty blockers and surgery for children. Peru 🇵🇪 has called trans a mental illness, and also in Hungary new laws against trans🇭🇺.
Very interesting interview. How do we as lay people help change this toxic ideology? I feel so powerless.
In the US kids are still given puberty blockers
Speaking as a mum of 3 females. There is social contagion with sexual and gender identity. I've witnessing it daily, my girls are now 34, 31 and 15. As I child I saw it with anorexia, my elder girls was cutting now it's gender. Just leave them alone medically and allow them to grow I nto the adult their supposed to be. Then make medical decisions.
I agree @carltaylor6452 👍
I also think people like Andrew Doyle, Helen Joyce, Sharon Davies, Julie Bindal & Maya Forstater, should be official government advisers on this topic.
Fantastic interview, great stuff.
Doctor on Novara media promoting his own clinic...
We really need to speak about the overlap between gender ideology and communism.
And the climate cult, they promote anything that results in depopulation.
Intersectionality (Neo-Marxist) as James Lindsay and others have explained.
Thank you.
This was a great interview.
Next to look at is how they dish out the birth control pill (and other forms) to teenagers like candy without parental knowledge.
If anyone has seen the list of potential side effects then you know teenagers can’t fully understand those risks.
Yes, the contraceptive pill has side effects, but it also has a main effect that has a positive benefit.
Puberty blockers have no benefits to balance against the greater damage they cause.
This is a foolish analogy. Teen pregnancy is bad. Birth control pills lessen the potential for teen pregnancy and we have decades of large scale research showcasing both risks and benefits that empower consumers to make their own decisions. It’s also not based on a delusion or ideology.
Exactly, on teen girls whose brains are still developing the side effects can be irreversible.
@@henryblunt8503Plenty of safer alternatives.
@@henryblunt8503 There are many adverse effects though and they are dished out sooooo easily without parental knowledge.
I’m not saying get rid of the pill but rather that parents must be present for those appointments as teenagers (under 16) can’t fully comprehend the adverse effects.
And yet define a woman…. Is the most controversial question…. Just ask your mother!
The lack of cooperation is obvious. We all know that if the data had been OK it would have been trumpeted from the rooftops. There are two options. The data was not collected, or it was collected and it's results are terrible
Your points were perfectly clear Andrew.
Kellie King/Scott Newgent who's paid with health for years for this in USA and exposed it world wide.
What about Scotland and Northern Ireland?
Thank you 'Andrew'. Not so much the other one. Appreciated.
Brilliant debate, Andrew so eloquently says what many think. It’s baffled me how many gay ppl and women have clapped along with this dangerous ideology. Thank goodness for those brave people who have a voice & used it to sound the alarm, JK, Posy Parker, Graham Linehan, Rosie Dutfield to name a few.
I really hope we are coming to our senses finally, especially in regards to damaging children, those who have profited from maiming them should, in my view, do serious jail time.
Thank you for exposing this madness. I have an issue with one of your comments. You noted that, in some cases, it is good people doing evil things. I disagree. This is evil people doing evil things. Anyone with either a brain or a soul knows this is wrong.
The term gender, came from languages.
Think of the French language - Le or La. This concept was hijacked by certain academics & put into this subject/ideology.
This has made me distrust the whole medical community. Why are they not speaking out? Why are they not reigning these doctors in, who are mutilating children?
Thank you gents xx
"catch them when they're young" just like any other cult.