I noticed with the HDD the 4090 seems to load more assets into VRAM. Maybe on a card with lower VRAM, say 8GB, you might notice more stutters on the HDD?
@@killermoon635 Have you heard of DLSS? Maybe use that I get between 60 to 90ish fps constant unless i go into heavy demanding areas and change some setting graphics some settings do nothing much on high they look the same as medium, Only when DLss IS on
came here to see the 1 and .1 percent fps difference between both. got an okay-ish PC (2080, 5700X) but the stutter is crazy with texture popping in and out even with optimized settings. Playing it on the HDD and had a hunch it hogs the VRAM and turns out it is. It's not like the GPU can't keep up (Heavy consistent FPS hits like running with PT on), but it's more like micro stutters here and there..... so even though the stat shows you it runs 60 fps, the game felt super bad. (edit : Entering different areas of the map like from NC to Pacifica to dogtown is even worse)
I'm playing on HDD, honestly... very playable for 1080p, i don't see problem, yeah have "bug texture" in different time but in 1 seconds return to normal, só if you ask if are good to play cyberpunk with hdd, YES.
I just bought 1tb cheap sata ssd just for games and it's working just fine. I have nvme for os but only 512gb, maybe enough for 1-2 games. I just can't get rid of my 15 years old data/games on my 6tb hdd because ssd with that size is still super expensive.
And why the hell you still have HDD to play games, it's alright for data storage but SSD is really cheap now. You don't need to buy the highest tier to enjoy it
@@VSN-wb2ly You can have more than double the HDD space for the same price as an SSD. It's a tradeoff. Some people value tons of space over the speeds.
Are you like the old people that refuse to buy a $100 smartphone and a $300 4k tv over their 2000s crap? It is $25 for 500 GB of M.2. Bro...@@NakedTrashPanda
@@VSN-wb2ly I have 2 nVME SSD one of 500 GB and another of 2 TB, but they're not enough for all my Steam and Uplay games, so I have to use one USB HDD for some games.
@@NakedTrashPanda But don't some new games have stutterings and problems loading assets on HDD? If i'm going to need more storage i'm going SSD despite having more space on HDD at the same price. It's just not worth it if the gaming experience is going to be terrible on HDD on these specific games and probably more and more games in the future.
Significantly more VRAM usage for HDD. This indicates a need to store all assets off the drive. The second this needs to load new assets you’re going to see issues, this video is far too short to show it and it will become an issue much sooner in cards that have less VRAM. Try this again on an 8GB card and do a 5 minute long video.
I have 3060ti and HDD game works fine in 1080p high settings with HDD mode enabled use a bit over 6gb of VRAM. On my 1060 6gb on these same settings it was bellow 6gb.
No wonder i been using a average pc and use HDD and don't get stutters its rare, But that's probs because of the vram and the dlss that helps, People don't understand how important vram is when loading graphics especially in a game that has high graphics 💀
@@alitharealist4730 Nobody notices until the system needs more than it has. It’s the same with regular RAM too. Most people also don’t know that RAM is the issue when it causes problems because it’s not obvious to diagnose.
@@Extreme96PL the fact you’re using “a bit over” the max RAM your card has at 1080p tells me that even if you don’t see issues for where your bar is at, your PC can be performing a LOT better. At the very least your VRAM usage will probably drop a bit just for swapping to an SSD, and so your GPU will probably perform a bit better
im playing the phantom liberty (2.13) and when im on medium/high speeds great part of the textures went missing, audio and map props too due to low speed HDD. I highly recommend playing on SSD now days.
Doesn't really matter. Modern CPUs cannot utilize the speed of most NVME SSDs. A SATA SSD is fine for all intents and purposes, and you'd likely hardly notice a difference, at the moment.
@@dayathor irrelevant He has a 13900K that had 20 PCIe lanes so 16 for GPU and 4 for M.2. Also it wouldn't necessarily decrease the clock speed or anything even if the GPU ran at x8 and like 15Mhz makes no difference anyways
@@dayathor You're wrong, I have one NVME and a 2060 and it runs perfectly at x16, either you messed with your PCIe settings in the bios or you put your NVMe in a slot that shares lanes with the GPU slot
On 3090 i was playing with rt psycho and dlss quality 1440p lots of sttutering from my 2tb hdd on an enclosre (usb 3). My m2 ssds arrived. I will play from gen4 m2 ssd i have lots of stuttering all after 2.0 update. Were you playing in 4k btw? Fps was low for 1440p.
@@fartyfat6539price diff between regular sata ssd and nvme isn’t much. May as well get the faster drive. Will benefit future games with direct storage api and better for workflow.
In fact HDD runs like 0.5% better then SSD for some reason. 0.1% lows better on SSD, but 1% lows and current FPS both better n HDD. Just more RAM use with HDD. If you got RAM to spare, go ahead and use an HDD.
Loading assets from VRAM is likely faster than loading them off even the fastest SSDs. The game is essentially looking at the HDD and thinking, well I can’t rely on that so I need to load more stuff into VRAM for quick access. That will likely account for a slight performance boost. Issue is, once the game needs different assets it’s going to have to pull them from the HDD again and then I’d expect issues to crop up.
@@AntiGrieferGamesthe 2.0 upgrade isn't necessary so you can still enjoy the game but it's not back what's compatible with PS4 level Hardware which is why it's not supported. Also it works fine on a hard drive as you can see from the video alone but it requires like four extra gigs of gpu VRam so it's a lot cheaper upgrading to a SSD then buying at minimum of 4080
@@artorias550should probably noticed that it's using 4 gigs extra on the video card vram which is something most people on the lower and even mid end can't afford to spare on their graphics card. It's cheaper to buy an SSD then upgrade to a 4080 at minimum
i currently have cyberpunk on hdd and its pretty bad lol. A lot of things dont load in time and a lot of times when im driving fast the roads become invisible and im driving on air
@@TwinPeaksPL2001 Well it’s holding back performance a LOT. Especially if the OS is on it. I haven’t had a mechanical drive in my PC for close to a decade and not had my OS on one for longer.
HDD really stand for: Hero Don’t Die
I played on HDD but noticed a lot of audio delays or even audio cutting off completely so I stored it on SSD and all problems are solved.
in short, the only difference is the loading speed, you can easily play on HDD
there is a hdd mode in the gameplay menu also i think it help
Textures don't load properly on hdd especially when driving at high speeds
Can you do a comparison of performance for 8 core amd cpus(5700x,5800x) for update 2.0 with smt on and 1.6
@@mohamedsamy4965 He tested that.
some areas of the map can take 10+ seconds to load and all the NPCs stay in low LOD mode on HDD.
Love that the open world doesn’t have any loading screens whatsoever unless you die or fast travel
I noticed with the HDD the 4090 seems to load more assets into VRAM.
Maybe on a card with lower VRAM, say 8GB, you might notice more stutters on the HDD?
Nobody with run on those settings on midrange gpu anyway
The game barely get 60fps at those setting even on 4090
U will at Max find hdd on pascal or under builds
@@killermoon635 Have you heard of DLSS? Maybe use that I get between 60 to 90ish fps constant unless i go into heavy demanding areas and change some setting graphics some settings do nothing much on high they look the same as medium, Only when DLss IS on
@@killermoon6351080p 3060ti+ with only rt reflections
came here to see the 1 and .1 percent fps difference between both. got an okay-ish PC (2080, 5700X) but the stutter is crazy with texture popping in and out even with optimized settings. Playing it on the HDD and had a hunch it hogs the VRAM and turns out it is. It's not like the GPU can't keep up (Heavy consistent FPS hits like running with PT on), but it's more like micro stutters here and there..... so even though the stat shows you it runs 60 fps, the game felt super bad. (edit : Entering different areas of the map like from NC to Pacifica to dogtown is even worse)
When driving you can sometimes notice Audio delays and textures pop in badly on HDD
I'm playing on HDD, honestly... very playable for 1080p, i don't see problem, yeah have "bug texture" in different time but in 1 seconds return to normal, só if you ask if are good to play cyberpunk with hdd, YES.
thanks
You are still 10x better playing on an SSD though. HDD can make some scenes of the game unplayable.
@@SlashedAussie so?
I just bought 1tb cheap sata ssd just for games and it's working just fine. I have nvme for os but only 512gb, maybe enough for 1-2 games. I just can't get rid of my 15 years old data/games on my 6tb hdd because ssd with that size is still super expensive.
feels like it takes time to load traffic and pedestrians on hdd
at least you can still play with HDD unlike starfield which you can't play
And why the hell you still have HDD to play games, it's alright for data storage but SSD is really cheap now.
You don't need to buy the highest tier to enjoy it
@@VSN-wb2ly You can have more than double the HDD space for the same price as an SSD. It's a tradeoff. Some people value tons of space over the speeds.
Are you like the old people that refuse to buy a $100 smartphone and a $300 4k tv over their 2000s crap? It is $25 for 500 GB of M.2. Bro...@@NakedTrashPanda
@@VSN-wb2ly I have 2 nVME SSD one of 500 GB and another of 2 TB, but they're not enough for all my Steam and Uplay games, so I have to use one USB HDD for some games.
@@NakedTrashPanda But don't some new games have stutterings and problems loading assets on HDD? If i'm going to need more storage i'm going SSD despite having more space on HDD at the same price. It's just not worth it if the gaming experience is going to be terrible on HDD on these specific games and probably more and more games in the future.
Still faster loading than GTA V on SSD
lol, i am pretty sure GTA 5 devs has time.sleep or wait just to delay loading, even with 64 GB ram and 14GB/s ssd that games takes > 30 secs to load..
iam using ssd for win 11 and games on hdd and everything fine :d
Significantly more VRAM usage for HDD. This indicates a need to store all assets off the drive. The second this needs to load new assets you’re going to see issues, this video is far too short to show it and it will become an issue much sooner in cards that have less VRAM.
Try this again on an 8GB card and do a 5 minute long video.
I have 3060ti and HDD game works fine in 1080p high settings with HDD mode enabled use a bit over 6gb of VRAM. On my 1060 6gb on these same settings it was bellow 6gb.
No wonder i been using a average pc and use HDD and don't get stutters its rare, But that's probs because of the vram and the dlss that helps, People don't understand how important vram is when loading graphics especially in a game that has high graphics 💀
@@alitharealist4730 CP2077 is very light on RAM and VRAM compared to some bloated games released this year and also looks better than most of them.
@@alitharealist4730 Nobody notices until the system needs more than it has. It’s the same with regular RAM too. Most people also don’t know that RAM is the issue when it causes problems because it’s not obvious to diagnose.
@@Extreme96PL the fact you’re using “a bit over” the max RAM your card has at 1080p tells me that even if you don’t see issues for where your bar is at, your PC can be performing a LOT better. At the very least your VRAM usage will probably drop a bit just for swapping to an SSD, and so your GPU will probably perform a bit better
im playing the phantom liberty (2.13) and when im on medium/high speeds great part of the textures went missing, audio and map props too due to low speed HDD. I highly recommend playing on SSD now days.
Can you also test in Phantom Liberty plz?
Oh, so you can still load it on the hd? Just some hiccups? Is it that bad compare to the previous versions?
will HDD affect Frame gen?
You need to state that you are using an m.2 nvme, not a regular sata ssd
Who still uses a sata ssd?
@@dwaynethemineraljohnson412I have 2 sata and 2 m.2 SSDs
@@dwaynethemineraljohnson412I still have 2 satas along with 3 m.2s.
Maybe check the description to see the hardware used for the testing.
Doesn't really matter. Modern CPUs cannot utilize the speed of most NVME SSDs. A SATA SSD is fine for all intents and purposes, and you'd likely hardly notice a difference, at the moment.
Interesting fact: The hdd's rtx4090 is running at 2760Mhz, but the ssd's rtx4090 is running at 2745mhz.😂😂
@cssourcegeming512 ohh interesting fact!, what speed does m.2 nvme 4.0 run at?
@@dayathor irrelevant
He has a 13900K that had 20 PCIe lanes so 16 for GPU and 4 for M.2.
Also it wouldn't necessarily decrease the clock speed or anything even if the GPU ran at x8 and like 15Mhz makes no difference anyways
@@dayathorcheck your motherboard manual and see which nvme slots share bandwidth with gpu pcie
@@dayathor Do you know if your NVME drive is PCIe 3, 4 or 5?
@@dayathor You're wrong, I have one NVME and a 2060 and it runs perfectly at x16, either you messed with your PCIe settings in the bios or you put your NVMe in a slot that shares lanes with the GPU slot
Accuracy is hdd old is gold
On 3090 i was playing with rt psycho and dlss quality 1440p lots of sttutering from my 2tb hdd on an enclosre (usb 3). My m2 ssds arrived. I will play from gen4 m2 ssd i have lots of stuttering all after 2.0 update. Were you playing in 4k btw? Fps was low for 1440p.
More fps in hdd rather than ssd eh.
HDD - 14.0gb VRAM?
SSD - 11.5gb VRAM
me wonder that my SSD need near 20 sek to start cyberpunk..with hdd over 1.20 minutes....but could that so slow why i use a lot mods ?
У меня игрули вообще на NVME... не успеваю загрузить - как, оказывается, уже прошёл...
Nvme is useless. SSD is OK. HDD Raid0 is ok. HDD alone at 200Mb/s is ok. All below that is load times penalty (quite sensible).
Is the SSD SATA or an M.2? Also it's well worth having an SSD to save yourself wasting so much time waiting around on loading screens.
I think it is the m.2 Samsung PCI express 3
Samsung 970 evo
The improvement is not that as significant as hdd vs ssd. M2 ssd is probably gonna save you 2 more second of loading time.
@@fartyfat6539price diff between regular sata ssd and nvme isn’t much. May as well get the faster drive. Will benefit future games with direct storage api and better for workflow.
@@fartyfat6539 It has nothing to do with loading time. HDD makes games stutter. I experienced it with Assassins Creed Odyssey. SSD fixed it all for me
Why is the difference between dram usage?
I have a lot of pop ins, t poses, glitched Animations on hdd
and did you try game on NVMe disc too?
NVMe is just a faster SSD.
Wait, didn't CDPR said HDD's are not supported in 2.0, how is this running, mods!?
i have the same ssd, never been proud my ssd
yes you try it HDD on i9 and RTX4090, just try it on i5 and RTX 3060, T-POSE NPC in comming.
thanks😀
pc nerds when it takes 20 more seconds to load into a game
In fact HDD runs like 0.5% better then SSD for some reason. 0.1% lows better on SSD, but 1% lows and current FPS both better n HDD. Just more RAM use with HDD. If you got RAM to spare, go ahead and use an HDD.
Loading assets from VRAM is likely faster than loading them off even the fastest SSDs. The game is essentially looking at the HDD and thinking, well I can’t rely on that so I need to load more stuff into VRAM for quick access. That will likely account for a slight performance boost. Issue is, once the game needs different assets it’s going to have to pull them from the HDD again and then I’d expect issues to crop up.
When did local storage affect FPS? Never.
ожидал постоянные фризы на hdd
HDD never dies
"What Is Dead May Never Die"
@@ПавелВасильев-н1тyes❤
Boomer
@@VSN-wb2ly 1945-1961 ?are you dump??🤷🏼♂️
HDD never dies
Kind of weird what CD Project Red said, "SsD aRe rEqUIrED oN 2.0 nOw" sometimes like that
They are lying, HDD still fine
No,they're not. The game can't load assets as fast on a HDD
@@hoti257 then they sabotaged his own game rather than lying on untrustworthy company
@@AntiGrieferGamesthe 2.0 upgrade isn't necessary so you can still enjoy the game but it's not back what's compatible with PS4 level Hardware which is why it's not supported.
Also it works fine on a hard drive as you can see from the video alone but it requires like four extra gigs of gpu VRam so it's a lot cheaper upgrading to a SSD then buying at minimum of 4080
Nahhh feel like the game fault. Honest l don't want to gaming on SSD any more since my 3rd SSD died few months ago.
do a RTX 4070 Ti video with path tracing
Wait what kind of ssd did you use? 2.5 sata ssd or nvme?
Been crashing constantly thinking HDD might be the reason cant see any other cause ; (
Save $25, waste hours and enjoy a worse performance. The magic of HDD.
This video might just be for people with older rigs before 2019 when SSDs where expensive and were only used for the OS.
@@NonebitStill it’s easy to just replace it with large SATA SSD if they have no NVMe.
@@portman8909 pcie nvme adapters exist
@@Nonebit they take up lanes though and not as good as m.2 slot
i like how averyone ignore the horiible litghting pop in..... it look horrible
Fps drop more on HDD, that why its unplayable for me
Guys stop doing this
Its mechanical
Never change😒😒😒😒
I had to move the game to hdd cause ssd performance was unplayable
Does it feels extra smooth on ssd?
Maybe improve 1%fps by slightly, but anyway who's going to use HDD in 2023 duh
Sorry I mean 0.1%
@@VSN-wb2lyPoor people that can’t upgrade I guess
@@portman8909poor people also can't afford the extra three and a half gigs on video card vram which is what the hard drive is using
@@VSN-wb2ly Me, you ignorant
ja geht doch klar
RED engine is poorly optimized for open world game
So there is really no disadvantage to hdd, no big stutter or anything.
Didn't you see the long loading on the HDD?
@@EX0007 not really a problem. Just start game and go make tea. Until you quick load like me then ssd is a must. But same was on 1.0.
@@artorias550should probably noticed that it's using 4 gigs extra on the video card vram which is something most people on the lower and even mid end can't afford to spare on their graphics card. It's cheaper to buy an SSD then upgrade to a 4080 at minimum
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br well you are right. Sorry for not noticing this. Then this comparison makes no sense. If you have 4080 you do not have hdd.
i currently have cyberpunk on hdd and its pretty bad lol. A lot of things dont load in time and a lot of times when im driving fast the roads become invisible and im driving on air
Well the loading speed didnt increase ur driving skills.
Christ I thought all hdds where in museums now 😂 jokes aside like you say the only difference is loading times
Good luck downloading and installing the game in HDD.😂
Pointless...
HDD WD BLACK!!!!
+
Why the heck would anyone be running a HDD in a gaming PC today?
I bought my pc 5 years ago so i still have hdd inside.
@@TwinPeaksPL2001 Well it’s holding back performance a LOT. Especially if the OS is on it. I haven’t had a mechanical drive in my PC for close to a decade and not had my OS on one for longer.
i bought my pc in 2020 and while the os is on an ssd, inside there was an hdd. I'm certainly not throwing it away just for a 20 seconds delay.
Что за ssd?
970 evo, check description of the video.