The ghosting moments reminded me of playing in my PS2 with a scratched up CD. This happened quite often and you could easily see it in the need for speed Franchise (there are more) for this console
@@CropDudia480pI had that with San Andreas too, usually after the map load in you also get free money if you were in a car because game thinks you made some tricks in the air
You know I bet one thing that helped was you also weren't running windows on the same drive. I remember that being a big trick back in the day keeping your windows and games sperate so games and windows/drivers could each have the full bandwidth of a hard drive. I used to run my computer with 3 hard drives back in the day. One small for windows and basic programs, one bigger for game installs, and the biggest one for my files and Linux ISOs. It's less of a thing to worry about now but if your using SATA SSDs you could still consider it a factor.
@@insertnamehere4419it's not so much about raw bandwidth but more about random iops and mixed operations. SSDs are just more responsive and handle multiple programmes better. That being said, I'll keep using my HDD even with copious amounts of SSD space. Some games just don't benefit from SSDs at all and would just hog space
@@insertnamehere4419 When someone shares something and you have an opinion about it do it like a gentleman. if you say it like that in front of anyone IRL you will get a punch right in that mouth of yours.
@@insertnamehere4419 First. I said "I USED to run my computer" that way "BACK IN THAT DAY". My current computer has NVME and my hard drives have turned into a NAS. Second. SATA3 run at 600mb/s max.
@@chronossage OOOH SNAP 600mb/s vs 500. MY BAD. You sure schooled me. Point is, a NvME makes SATA look slow as hell, and SATA is BLAZING fast vs a HDD. HDD's have no place in modern gaming.
It's actually pretty nice of CDPR to include the HDD mode. It must have taken some development time, and there cannot be that many gamers left who haven't got an SSD in their rig. Even if they only have a 128gb one to put a single game on, platforms like steam actually makes it pretty easy to shuffle them so you can put your favourite game on the SSD and move the others to HDD for storage when you're not playing.
I may be weird but even with 8tb in fast NanD storage, I still have 14tb in HDD storage that I use to this day for games There's just some games that don't need to be on an SSD, and I'd rather just keep them off of it at that point
@@mikeycrackson or how many people still use 4-6 cores like its 2008/2009 Or 16gb of RAM like its 2015... So many folks with underpowered PCs, but HDDs are one that can cause weird issues for sure
@@mikeycrackson I've noticed a lot of experts on RUclips speak as if the GPU is the only important part of a gaming rig. It is crucial, but any system is only as good as it's weakest link. As I say, though, you can always get a small SSD to store your "current" game on and swap things around as you change.
I've had a few black drives over the years, I have to say that 4tb is notably much faster than 1 or 2 tb owing to the larger cache and platter density. It's great that you test these things for people.
The "new" system requirements are essentially a more realistic view on requirements needed to run at a decent framerate. before the update the system requirements on steam were woefully inaccurate
Depends on your standards, I suppose. It ran well enough when it was tested on this channel with an RX 6400, which is about equal to the old minimum GTX 780 and 8% less performant than the RX 470 minimum (according to TechPowerUp). The new minimums are about 30% higher than the old, though, which is why I've taken the game off my wishlist and am no longer waiting for it to go on sale at a time I have money (there'$ a rea$on why I'm u$ing an RX 6400 in$tead of a better card. :/ Fortunately, most of the games I like are older and indies, so it's good enough).
Crazy to think, years ago I moved all of my games to SSDs because I hated long loading screens, and now they're becoming a soft requirement for newer games.
True, but things were always going to eventually hit this point. When the new consoles went SSD internally, the train really left the station so to speak. Having a quick loading game should be the norm in the future. Tech like DirectStorage and RTX I/O will improve things for the better once they have wider adoption, which in turn will spur more studios to require a SSD for their games. HDD still has a place as bulk storage for inactive games libraries and other purposes and even playing older retro games that wouldn't benefit from SSD speeds very much - then again retro games are going to be a lot smaller in install size, to the point where if you have a big enough SSD it almost doesn't matter anymore.
Only some games have longer loading times. For many i really cant give a fuk waiting 30 seconds instead of 10. But because i found M2 1tb for cheap i bought it just because i could. For now only Starfield has noticeable impact, because it has a lot of loading screens, so m2 is welcomed.
@@jay-5061 the quality hdds are more reliable for long term storage. Also popular manufactures of ssds like Samsung and others are not that cheap. 1tb Samsung m2 still costs over 80 90 or even over 100 euros. I got 2tb hdd for about 60 euros i think 2 3 years ago. Now i bought Kingston m2 ssd 1tb because it was on discount. But nowdays 1tb is nothing. 5 games can take 500gb of space. Not counting if someone keep downloaded files on disk also, thats even more extra space.
@@jay-5061 i already have a hard drive that's been serving me well for decades. now ssd's are a requirement so the game doesn't become unplayable from stutter or missing textures. to me that's the only reason to not use a hard drive ,but a situation like this can be prevented by loading more stuff into ram during the loading screen or loading assets dynamically as you play. developers asking users to upgrade their systems makes sense as time goes on, but requesting for faster storage so the game doesn't turn into an unplayable mess is ridiculous, specially considering some users are already transitioning to 32gb of system memory. its cheaper to buy an ssd than it is to buy an extra 16gb of ram but ram is orders of magnitude faster than secondary storage, so much faster even the fastest nvme drives are a lot slower, so there's also no excuse to not use free ram as cache for (even more) game assets. what i wouldn't complain about are increased loading times. say a game has hdd mode like cyberpunk, a warning will let you know you might experience increased loading times from using this option because hard drives are slower. i would be much happier with that because loading times don't affect framerate consitency like asset streaming does. streaming also requires a faster cpu to decompress assets on the go, so loading stuff during loading screens should improve performance on systems with weaker cpu's as well. another good idea would be shipping the base game with lower resolution textures like kingdom come deliverance did. KCD comes default with 1080p textures and has a free dlc with 4k textures for those with enough vram. not having 4k textures installed by default sure lowers the time it takes to download all its 70+gb while also allowing for good gameplay experience when using a hard drive. you might still find the odd texture loading but to me, in my 150+ hours played i can't recall when it was the last time i saw a texture in the process of loading. i also have never come across missing textures. the game might not look absolutely stunning anymore but the textures sure do hold up to the modern day.
It's still a thing, just don't label games as "bulk storage". But you're right about music and movies not taking as much space on drives nowadays, since streaming has been a lot more popular. I do take a lot of RAW photos though, so HDD for storage is still a good idea, since xTB SSDs are still lot more expensive than HDDs.
I don't know what the hdd mode is like in 2.0 but in 1.63 what this did was reduce the population variation, when the hdd mode was activated cloned npc's appeared everywhere, the same thing happened with the traffic
I use a 16tb 7200RPM drive as storage and play pre-2020 games off the HDD just fine. If It is a newer game I move it over to my NVME. Steam is great for this, I don't see such functionality in the other launchers. I move the game/s back to the HDD when I know I done with the game/s or done with them for a awhile.
Ever since the 3TB Seagate Fiasco I don't like to buy high capacity HDD and instead opted for multiple lower capacity ones. Yeah it's probably already a decade ago, but it still lingers in my head.
Have to say that moving Cyberpunk 2077 to my Samsung 870 EVO 500GB ssd has improved load times and textures load instantly where on the HDD certain areas would "pop" in suddenly or take over a minute or more to load.
I'm playing it from an HDD, with an SSD cache (Primocache). And for loading savegames, its fine. Of course caching only works with data that has been loaded before, but thats why it helps with save games.
I can vouch that the CP2077 on the HDD is absolutely terrible. The roads just disappear when you drive fast, I fixed it by just moving the game files to my SSD. This experience made me want to upgrade my storage to the M.2 drives which has the fastest speeds
Im glad they still cared enough for everyone and not just people with PC's straight out of NASA.. my life situation has been tough and upgrading my system wouldn't be anytime soon but honestly this game is soo well optimized and thanks to AMDs FidelityFX ive been able to play this game on an HDD with 55 to 60 fps at 1440p on a system thats 7 years old. That says a lot about CDPR.
Using SSD is not only for performance. But because of how the streaming works. You will get random t-posing, AI issues, weird bugs which is related to streaming and using and HDD causes all the problems. You won't really notice it until you actually do a proper playthrough. You'll come across some funny bugs, animations not working as intended, AI just freezing and so on. These issues are just not present on an SSD and if so it is few and far between, on an HDD it happens every 15 minutes. I had a lot of fun testing it out though lol. So yes performance isnt the main reason for dropping HDD support.
I have wondered if it is still possible , since i saw also the HDD mode in the options. Good to know that people can still play with a HDD! I've got a little heartattack when i didn't saw the crowd density setting at first while testing. :D
I guess some people have used HDD to play CP2077 because game run on Win7 , but for like a year game require win10 , so my question is how someone think is good idea install win10 on HDD and then install CP2077 ??? , I remember when I though is agood idea to install win 10 on HDD , as I had free upgrate , that was wort idea ever , i reverted to win 7 quickly , only when I got SSD I installed win 10 and I can use without any issue... and idea to just have small ssd for win10 and then install CP on hdd is just crazy .
@@smilingpolitely12345 You are right, SSD's are cheap nowadays, so most people have one. But i assume there are stll some people with a 256GB SSD (Win 10 install) + 1TB HDD combi for games. 🙂
@@Beisepimp That's precisely what I've got and I'm not feeling too happy about it nowadays, honestly I'd free up some space on my SSD for Cyberpunk but I've spend so much time just trying to download the update on my slow ass internet that I don't want to interfere with the install in case something messes up and I have to spend yet another 6 hours downloading
@@Beisepimp Yes , I plan to to do "gap filler" PC upgrate , I will get new mobo+cpu+ram but I will keep case , PSU (is new bought 8 month ago) , I will buy used gpu but will I keep ssd + hdd combo that I have now , I know that my new mobo will have 2 m.2 place , but I buy that when I will do full PC upgrate better cpu , more ram and new gpu xmas 2024 , so then I will get m.2 😀
The game may appear to be working fine on HDD when you just running around but when you actually playing the game so many problem will occurred. Like during many story missions when the new cut scene load in. environment not loading in, characters T pose, missing animation...etc.
That happens with weak CPU lol, there was a cutscene with some guys raiding the room with grenades, and the character just stood still with everything exploding, it was pretty badass and funny
@@leonardo25gabriel yeah but if use ssd with the same weak cpu. That not happen. Many modern games are design to read and load fast data on the fly. And it does take cpu power to read data. Your cpu will have to work more to read data from slow hdd compared to ssd.
I remember having a quiet '...Oh, crumbs' moment when reading the updated minimum specs, wondering if my 4790K could still cope - delightfully, it still can. Nice to see such a big update hasn't had a side-effect I was dreading when it dropped
on Steam notice CD Projekt Red did state the game with the 2.0 update was test on the new spec requirements only but also said the old system requirements are just not "officially" supported, thats all.
The next gen of gaming is here, first we were getting issues with less VRAM GPUs now from HDD to SSD, i think its a forced upgrade but its kinda necessary too, upgrading from HDD to SSD/Nvme has its major benefits
Thats how progress works, otherwise we would still use IDE drives and floppies. Imagine living in an era where you can get a microSD with 256 GB around 20 € and then compare its size and speed to a 90s floppy disk.
My dumbass gave up on playing this game because the load times were so bad. Thought my PC was just trash, but realized today the reason was because the game was on my HDD. Reinstalling it on my SSD now
I haven't used HDD since I ditch my old store-bought dell computer. SSD were always the choice for actual gaming. I'm glad more people are starting to realize that PC gaming has changed big these last ten years. I wonder how many bug reports were hyped because people still used HDD. This is why people need to consider their own specs before depending on platforms to tell you first.
I have literally been refreshing this channel waiting for this video. My BF got me cyberpunk + the dlc for my birthday and then like a week later we learned about the No HDD support. Edit: he still had a 4060 in this tho. I have a 1070 Ti and i7 8700
Well - and this drive is from 2012. There are newer and faster HDDs by now, which might also give less problems. For example the Toshiba X300 series is pretty fast. While I have 5TB of NVMe SSDs in my system that's still on the level of HDD space I had in my system more than 10 years ago. Today I also have an 18TB HDD and a 6TB HDD in my system.
I’m glad how cheap SSDs are now if someone does decide to upgrade to a SSD. A 1TB Solidigm P41 Plus is $40 w/ an additional $3 discount coupon, which is kind of unheard of if we think back a few years ago, even if the P41 Plus isn’t the most performant drive out there
That moment with road without textures remind me similar behavior from Need For Speed Undercover. By the way more problematic was Gothic 3 from HDD years ago.
Never had any problems, whatsoever, with my mechanical hard drive running this game. I have an SSD exclusively for my operating system. They're still too expensive to have one of the kind of storage capacity needed for games. Plus, the limitation of only being able to write data tot hem for a limited number of times, is something which makes using them for stuff like games a no-no for me.
That is nice to know, though regarding SSDs, i'm hoping Endurance can go up too. Are Sata SSDs only going down in price or are the NVMe SSDs going down too? Cause i do want to buy a 2nd NVMe but i cannot decide what to get (and i cannot get one until next yet) What about WD Gold and HAMR HDDs? will those supposedly be able to keep up with SSDs?
I honestly don't know anyone except myself who uses a hard disk anymore, except maybe some stragglers still using an older game console, but certainly no PC owners and I only have a hard disk(8TB) for storing disk images of my other drives due to the sheer capacity, as well as media such as films, TV shows and music on, since those aren't effected by read/write speed unless you plan to move them. I have to be honest, though; I find NVMe to be overrated. I mean, it does what it says, but even vs. a SATA SSD on everyday tasks you're just shaving a millisecond of a second, the only time I notice it is during some kind of big install, such as Windows update or a massive game/patch. Not to say "don't get one", as you can get NVMe for the same price, if not cheaper than SATA SSDs these days, but you're not missing out on much if you choose a SATA over NVMe unless you're moving lots of big files daily, or video editing at 4k or something.
last time i played it was a year ago and it was on a hdd, thanksfully the only drawback i had were long loading time other then that it worked perfectlly no texture loading problems or stutters
@@smilingpolitely12345 easy, i had no use for ssd, like all it does is speed up loading time other then that never had a problem with stutters, on the other hand low fps is noticable so i just upgrade other parts that matter
@@Yerinjibbang Tbh they already are lol. They are good for mass storage of files and movies or whatever of course but for normal PC use theres really no reason to not have an SSD Boot and backup drive. You can get 1tb of SSD storage for 50 bucks and considering a 1tb hard drive is the same price why would you ever get the HDD
@@Yerinjibbang more glitches, more stutters and more missing textures… that said the game is supposedly finished now, no more expansions planned, so maybe it won’t change that much…
Inside the settings in Monitoring tab, there's a button right under the polling period setting. That's the list of installed plugin. PerfCounter has access to tons of metric from hdd, windows event, network utilization, ecc.. I'm not sure it's included in the defeult install but is pretty easy to find online
I played the old version of Cyberpunk on a 5200rpm 2.5" drive before I got a new NVME. Act 1 was smooth but once act 2 started hickups were common. One thing I did notice when I switched to an SSD is, that if I were to kill a random NPC and stuff it into my trunk and drive with their body in the trunk. Well when I had the HDD I could drive to the other side of the map and the NPC is still there. But once I switched to an SSD now they disappear. I still use the HDD to store videos and indie games and old games. HDD do that very well even today. But modern AAA games are meant for SSD's.
One experiment you could try in the future is running games off a microSD card in the fastest possible USB adapter. Fast 512GB microSDs are reasonably cheap now but an nvme in a USB enclosure is probably a better option if you have no more motherboard slots left
microSDs are generally slower than HDDs. External solutions are indeed decent with USB 3.1+. I upgraded to a music SSD a while ago to reduce loading times of my entire folders from a minute to a few seconds. The SSD is a M.2 Crucial MX500, reaching almost its advertised speed running over USB.
@@mryellow6918 I noticed actually on my Switch that a couple games became extremely slow to load - what I did was copied the data to my PC, formatted it using the official SD Formatter then copied the files back and the games loaded normally again. It's as if SD cards can get fragmented if the data is scattered around different blocks, despite being solid state storage
Personally I still use HDD for my games library specifically because it's quite big and I can't justify paying an absurd amount of money for 4tb ssd. I have 1tb of SSD reserved for a couple of games that actually do need it but so far 99% run great on HDD. Also Cyberpunk has next to no Loading screens after the first time you get in the game so it's not an issue + it still loads fairly fast for me
My game doesn't even get past the intro if I try to play with 400+ mods on HDD. It does work if it's vanilla tough, so at least to me, the only way to play with mods is in a SSD
The best HDD will be more expensive than and run 15x slower than the worse SSD. I had my gaming SSD go bad and nearly installed Starfield on my HDD but got it back on launch your video convinced me it’s a no go
I honestly don't know why they don't just sell the games on an SSD kind of like how you used to get the old cartridge games... You'd just need a hot swap caddy in your PC and away you go. No need to download it all except for updates of course.
Guess an SSD isn't really a "requirement" after all. If I was to get Cyberpunk, it would be going onto my WD Purple 6TB with HDD mode enabled. IMO, whilst SSDs are getting cheaper, the good value for money is mostly at 1TB - sometimes 2TB if you look for a good deal - but still, there's only so many SATA slots or NVME slots your motherboard has, and before long, you'll run out. SSDs above 2TB haven't really become that affordable just yet, so those 6TB+ HDDs may well still find a place in many gaming systems as secondary game storage.
the HHD turn off in 2.0 reminds me the good old days when you play GTA 4 at the year of the game was released.. going into NYC area was interesting experience if you have average PC setup..
I have a really small ssd that I have like one major game on at a time that I gotta keep swapping out for other games on my hard drive. Right now I want to do starfield and Cyberpunk but really dont want to keep swapping out. Ill give it a go see how annoying it gets lol.
SSDs have been a requirement for me more than 10 years ago. With prices of SSDs these days, Im baffled that people STILL buy HDDs for their games. You can get an EXCELLENT TLC with DRAM cache 1TB SSD for under 50€ now.
I honestly think people should just switch over to SATA SSDs at the very least, they're as affordable as HDDs these days, and it's a real game changer, without needing to spend the big bucks on nvme SSDs, plus they use the same sata connectors so your system is already compatible for sure. If you're really tight on a budget just get a 1TB SATA SSD, use that for your OS and priority games, then keep the HDD for storage of media and less important / older games. Combine a 40-60 euro 1TB SSD with a 50-60 euro 2TB 7200RPM HDD and boom, you're solid. If you can afford games, you can also afford to do yourself 1 huge favor and skip out on buying 1 game, then buy a SATA SSD with that money instead.
i have played an older version of this game on an hdd and it still spiked, on ssd i had no problems. A lot of these newer games are kinda ssd required now, hdd is slowly going to be a thing from the past.
I cannot even launch it and I have a hybrid drive someone had this problem before? It sends me to the bug report window 4 seconds after I start the game.
HDD mode to auto is a better outcome. When using HDD, thats just more RAM that gets used, so if you got RAM to spare, keep using an HDD, just takes more time to load assets into RAM.
I do play this game using my sata 2 HDD, with HDD mode on Auto. Comparing 2.0 update to previous versions of the game, i do feel, that the game is now loading things for like 30 second after loading and jumping in to the game, a bit stuttery then, but overall, game is super playable, smooth, loading times are not a problem for me, like 30-40 second to load a save game is very acceptable for me.
@@lordpotoo1375 Yeah, 90% of the time game runs very nicely, sometimes there is a problem with missing textures, but after fiew second all load in, remember, that faster drive with more cache, like 128 or 256mb will do a better job here than normal hdds with 64mb.
Incredible that this game is playable on HDD. Try SWBF2: Its near unplayable from HDD. The menu took me over 20 minutes, the game 30, just to see objects missing and incredibly low FPS. At that time I was using a 2.5 inch 1.5 TB HDD as a game drive because the SSD storage was too small. Other games like Mass Effect, War Thunder or Warframe run flawlessly on HDD. But by now we can be happy the prices have dropped. I replaced the old stuff with 3 TB 980 Pro this year, incredible when you think of this upgrade costing me less than a single 960 Evo 500 GB in 2017.
I expect they don't want people loading the game from a shingled drive as if the game tries to write to the drive there will be a massive latency penalty if it exceeds the drives cache.
with some minor optimization it works just fine, they just dont always optimize the window ram cache, so i used primocache works just as well as an ssd, ssd not required.
With my HDD, my old CPU (i5-3470) couldn't quite keep up. Could barely get 1.6 running without regular stutters and FPS dips well into the lower 20s. Now with an SSD it's usually able to stay at or over 30. Crystal Disk said my HDD was healthy but I have my doubts. No regrets at catching a 2TB SSD on sale for $70.
i think that was an smr hdd. smr hdds are the slowesd hdds you will ever use. why did you do the test with the worst? why not do a test with some of the best? this is potentially a smr drive. CMR high end drives like exos hdds or fire cuda hdds would likely load better, still im amazed you got cyberpunk working decently well on a very old low end hdd. high end hdds should always be used with games. but for those on a budjet not bad. cmr hdds can potentially have 3times the read and write speeds. at 250 to 300mb a second.
i dont see any problem with HDD because i used to play on crappy textures ever, but the problem is the game now RAM hungry, my ram always in constant 100% whenver i play this game, i thought this game could be eating ram but i see its memory leak again. I think i just wait until later patch firx it. Performance wise its like 30-40 fps without stuttering cause memory leak. Again i play with 5 yo laptop with only 8 gb ram (before u said, oh its not enough, u need 16 gb, hear me out, when cyberpunk first release i play it, it smooth like butter (except some bug that i cant mention) but again, there is memory leak but i fixed around 1.2 or 1.3)
I never had Cyberpunk on an HDD even tho I, until very recently, used an HDD for all other games till I upgraded to a 2nd 2TB ssd. Still have the 2 3TB HDDs that I had configured as a Raid0 in my System but unless I want to install all of my games I probably don't need it.
the long loading time will get annoying esp if often such as on fallout/ any rpg i even got stutters on fh3, although most of times wd black run games just as fine as ssd
I think what makes it more useable is how powerful the CPU and RAM is, to perhaps more easily load lots of stuff in memory when it is needed. Then perhaps HDD mode does push more things to be loaded in memory (it might also be good for people with slow SSDs but good CPU/RAM). You did say it took around 2 minutes to load but it would be nice to add a timer. Even though you could cheat with the timer but it feels more like you see the result yourself.
Been playing since day one on an HDD. Not even a caviar black. With the HDD mode on. Hasn't ruined my experience at all. ryzen 7 2700 oc'd 3.8ghz 16threads ram 32gb at 3200mhz 4tb hdd WD with ssd on the os gtx 1660 oc upgraded to Rtx 3O7O Ti
@@chintoki Nah, a Ryzen 7 (even an old one without OC) keeps up with a 3070Ti just fine. He can just pump the settings. The 2700 was still fairly high end when CP released, and it's not a game you have to target 300 frames for.
still going to use my hdds. i got 25 terabites of games. several ssds and im not transfering back and forth best i would do is use ram as cache or wort resort ssd cache. but for the most part even on the most demanding games my hdds work just fine they are exos enterprize hdds however so thier quite speedy for hdds. much faster then the one you used.
The only thing holding me to my 4TB HDD is my BD-ROM drive. I still feel an attachment to Physical Media, and ripping my own discs, so if I can get SATA to USB that works for an optical drive, I'm set. But yeah, good times.
There are still some cases out there with a 5.25" drive bay for optical drives (I love my BD writers and physical media as well) and while a little awkward, there are external 5.25" USB enclosures for optical drives as well. My next case I'm mulling over doesn't have internal 5.25" bays, so if I want to keep using my drive(s) I will need to get the external enclosure.
I cannot run the game anymore, it crashes before it even loads which saddens me because it's honestly one of my top 3 games. I'll admit my pc isn't the best but before 2.0, my pc could run it at least 50fps which isn't great but tolerable. Now it doesn't even launch. Here's my specs. GTX 1660 (not super or ti, standard) I5 - 2400 cpu 16gb ram. The menu works fine. Just the game doesn't work. I have validated files via steam and removed the user settings appdata thing. Still doesn't work. And my driver is up to date
Guess the new recommendation is for old/big capacity HD +2T with low cache and 5400 RPM 🤔 Anyway there is anew trend of developers pushing the blame for low performance to the end users - outdated hardware. 🤑
Sure, devs can definitely do much better at optimizing their games so that it just runs better in general, but the outdated hardware thing is also a reality. HDD's as primary storage falls into that category, as does 2nd/3rd/4th gen Intel CPU's etc. As painful as it is, computer tech moves on and gaming studios are always going to chasing the next big flashy thing, which whilst sucky, does also drive the industry forward.
To me a 7200rpm HDD is not bad for most games. That is only if the operating system is on a SSD because that leaves the entire bandwidth of the HDD for the game. Your loading times won't be the greatest but the game will still run fine once loaded in. Obviously a SSD is better and recommended but a HDD isn't bad as long as you have a decent SSD for the operating system.
I regret buying a 4 TB HDD instead of a Sata 1 TB SSD when both were available for 200 euro. I didn't see, years ago, the need of SSDs coming for gaming in the future. Well, at least it's not one of the slowest HDD of its time and i can still use it for backup and archive. For sure i now need an SSD for gaming because the small Sata 256 GB i have for the OS doesn't have enough space for my taste. Saving for a gen 5 NVME SSD because i can install this new gen on my motherboard, even if a gen 4 for now would be pretty much the same experience in gaming, just for an extra bit of "future proof".
Would recomend try to create 2 or 3 HDD software raid with in windows for "part 2" testing. it might make a nice difference in results in many games (noticed this back in 2016 when playing arma3 with various loadtimes and frametimes) 😉
HDDs are very affortable as used specially during 2023 (example 1TB is possible for 10€) so by being bit smarter you get 3-4 of these cheap_badboys and you got yourself affordable semi-decent storage that has great ammount of storage.
So gtx 4060 can push 100fps, so when my rx 6800 arrives, it gonna have easily 100+ fps :D For now game with biggest impact on hdd vs ssd is Starfield. I knew that CP gonna be fine with HDD option on.
I also had cyberpunk installed on my hard drive before updating with the newest patch I also noticed dialogue delay with the lips textures popping in and out like crazy especially on foot in crowded areas don't worry the games now installed on my M2 haha 😆
I recently found my WD black 500gb HDD and I tried if it works but it had clicking sound and windows didn't recognise it. I don't remember when I used HDD last time. I forgot how heavy and bulky it is,like a brick lol. I'm using 2 kingston A2000 ssd's
i installed it 1st on my external hdd 5400rpm and was playable(but some sounds n other was not 100%,but playable)Now on my m2 nvme gen3+ its very fast to launch n so much nicer to play!(but if no choice its doable to play on hdd+external hdd but be prepared for long long wait for it to launch at first+long load times in game to when it has to load stuff in) Thanks for this video...
The ghosting moments reminded me of playing in my PS2 with a scratched up CD. This happened quite often and you could easily see it in the need for speed Franchise (there are more) for this console
i remember it would happen on a scratched copy of Vice CIty, you'd fall through the map
@@CropDudia480pI had that with San Andreas too, usually after the map load in you also get free money if you were in a car because game thinks you made some tricks in the air
I think it happened a few times for me in 3D GTA games. Probably Vice City.
I remember having mini load screens if I drove to fast in san andreas on my original xbox due to the disc being pretty scratched up.
I installed the game on a new NVMe drive and my god what an improvement, not to mention the almost non-existent load times.
Which NVMe did you go for please?
You know I bet one thing that helped was you also weren't running windows on the same drive. I remember that being a big trick back in the day keeping your windows and games sperate so games and windows/drivers could each have the full bandwidth of a hard drive. I used to run my computer with 3 hard drives back in the day. One small for windows and basic programs, one bigger for game installs, and the biggest one for my files and Linux ISOs. It's less of a thing to worry about now but if your using SATA SSDs you could still consider it a factor.
bla bla bla lmao. It's 2023 not 2003. Stop using a HDD. And SATA SSD? is only 500mb/s max too.
@@insertnamehere4419it's not so much about raw bandwidth but more about random iops and mixed operations. SSDs are just more responsive and handle multiple programmes better.
That being said, I'll keep using my HDD even with copious amounts of SSD space. Some games just don't benefit from SSDs at all and would just hog space
@@insertnamehere4419 When someone shares something and you have an opinion about it do it like a gentleman.
if you say it like that in front of anyone IRL you will get a punch right in that mouth of yours.
@@insertnamehere4419 First. I said "I USED to run my computer" that way "BACK IN THAT DAY". My current computer has NVME and my hard drives have turned into a NAS. Second. SATA3 run at 600mb/s max.
@@chronossage OOOH SNAP 600mb/s vs 500. MY BAD. You sure schooled me. Point is, a NvME makes SATA look slow as hell, and SATA is BLAZING fast vs a HDD. HDD's have no place in modern gaming.
It's actually pretty nice of CDPR to include the HDD mode. It must have taken some development time, and there cannot be that many gamers left who haven't got an SSD in their rig. Even if they only have a 128gb one to put a single game on, platforms like steam actually makes it pretty easy to shuffle them so you can put your favourite game on the SSD and move the others to HDD for storage when you're not playing.
hdd mode is a leftover from when the game first launched
SSD havent been cheaper than today
I may be weird but even with 8tb in fast NanD storage, I still have 14tb in HDD storage that I use to this day for games
There's just some games that don't need to be on an SSD, and I'd rather just keep them off of it at that point
@@mikeycrackson or how many people still use 4-6 cores like its 2008/2009
Or 16gb of RAM like its 2015...
So many folks with underpowered PCs, but HDDs are one that can cause weird issues for sure
@@mikeycrackson I've noticed a lot of experts on RUclips speak as if the GPU is the only important part of a gaming rig. It is crucial, but any system is only as good as it's weakest link. As I say, though, you can always get a small SSD to store your "current" game on and swap things around as you change.
I've had a few black drives over the years, I have to say that 4tb is notably much faster than 1 or 2 tb owing to the larger cache and platter density. It's great that you test these things for people.
The "new" system requirements are essentially a more realistic view on requirements needed to run at a decent framerate.
before the update the system requirements on steam were woefully inaccurate
Depends on your standards, I suppose. It ran well enough when it was tested on this channel with an RX 6400, which is about equal to the old minimum GTX 780 and 8% less performant than the RX 470 minimum (according to TechPowerUp).
The new minimums are about 30% higher than the old, though, which is why I've taken the game off my wishlist and am no longer waiting for it to go on sale at a time I have money (there'$ a rea$on why I'm u$ing an RX 6400 in$tead of a better card. :/ Fortunately, most of the games I like are older and indies, so it's good enough).
Crazy to think, years ago I moved all of my games to SSDs because I hated long loading screens, and now they're becoming a soft requirement for newer games.
True, but things were always going to eventually hit this point. When the new consoles went SSD internally, the train really left the station so to speak. Having a quick loading game should be the norm in the future. Tech like DirectStorage and RTX I/O will improve things for the better once they have wider adoption, which in turn will spur more studios to require a SSD for their games. HDD still has a place as bulk storage for inactive games libraries and other purposes and even playing older retro games that wouldn't benefit from SSD speeds very much - then again retro games are going to be a lot smaller in install size, to the point where if you have a big enough SSD it almost doesn't matter anymore.
Only some games have longer loading times. For many i really cant give a fuk waiting 30 seconds instead of 10. But because i found M2 1tb for cheap i bought it just because i could. For now only Starfield has noticeable impact, because it has a lot of loading screens, so m2 is welcomed.
Ssds are also dirt cheap so idonno what the problem is
@@jay-5061 the quality hdds are more reliable for long term storage. Also popular manufactures of ssds like Samsung and others are not that cheap. 1tb Samsung m2 still costs over 80 90 or even over 100 euros. I got 2tb hdd for about 60 euros i think 2 3 years ago. Now i bought Kingston m2 ssd 1tb because it was on discount. But nowdays 1tb is nothing. 5 games can take 500gb of space. Not counting if someone keep downloaded files on disk also, thats even more extra space.
@@jay-5061 i already have a hard drive that's been serving me well for decades. now ssd's are a requirement so the game doesn't become unplayable from stutter or missing textures. to me that's the only reason to not use a hard drive ,but a situation like this can be prevented by loading more stuff into ram during the loading screen or loading assets dynamically as you play.
developers asking users to upgrade their systems makes sense as time goes on, but requesting for faster storage so the game doesn't turn into an unplayable mess is ridiculous, specially considering some users are already transitioning to 32gb of system memory. its cheaper to buy an ssd than it is to buy an extra 16gb of ram but ram is orders of magnitude faster than secondary storage, so much faster even the fastest nvme drives are a lot slower, so there's also no excuse to not use free ram as cache for (even more) game assets.
what i wouldn't complain about are increased loading times. say a game has hdd mode like cyberpunk, a warning will let you know you might experience increased loading times from using this option because hard drives are slower. i would be much happier with that because loading times don't affect framerate consitency like asset streaming does. streaming also requires a faster cpu to decompress assets on the go, so loading stuff during loading screens should improve performance on systems with weaker cpu's as well.
another good idea would be shipping the base game with lower resolution textures like kingdom come deliverance did. KCD comes default with 1080p textures and has a free dlc with 4k textures for those with enough vram. not having 4k textures installed by default sure lowers the time it takes to download all its 70+gb while also allowing for good gameplay experience when using a hard drive. you might still find the odd texture loading but to me, in my 150+ hours played i can't recall when it was the last time i saw a texture in the process of loading. i also have never come across missing textures. the game might not look absolutely stunning anymore but the textures sure do hold up to the modern day.
Man, I still remember when less than a decade ago "SSD for OS, HDD for bulk storage" was still viable advice for contemporary gaming.
It's still a thing, just don't label games as "bulk storage". But you're right about music and movies not taking as much space on drives nowadays, since streaming has been a lot more popular.
I do take a lot of RAW photos though, so HDD for storage is still a good idea, since xTB SSDs are still lot more expensive than HDDs.
thanks man, i can't upgrade to an ssd and i really wanted to play cyberpunk 2.0, really helped!
I don't know what the hdd mode is like in 2.0 but in 1.63 what this did was reduce the population variation, when the hdd mode was activated cloned npc's appeared everywhere, the same thing happened with the traffic
I use a 16tb 7200RPM drive as storage and play pre-2020 games off the HDD just fine. If It is a newer game I move it over to my NVME. Steam is great for this, I don't see such functionality in the other launchers. I move the game/s back to the HDD when I know I done with the game/s or done with them for a awhile.
I like the idea of 16TB, so dont take this as attacking you. But. Isnt that putting all your eggs in one basket.
Ever since the 3TB Seagate Fiasco I don't like to buy high capacity HDD and instead opted for multiple lower capacity ones.
Yeah it's probably already a decade ago, but it still lingers in my head.
That's not the greatest idea from redundancy pov, if your drive eventually fails, all your 16tb of data is gone...
@@w04hYeah, it's a really bad idea.
I use Samsung T7 portable NVMEs. They're pretty cheap.
Have to say that moving Cyberpunk 2077 to my Samsung 870 EVO 500GB ssd has improved load times and textures load instantly where on the HDD certain areas would "pop" in suddenly or take over a minute or more to load.
Not sure why this video is more interesting to me than Cyberpunk itself but whatever.
Same.
What do you wanna bet the next update will remove the HDD mode toggle?
I'm really excited to play cyberpunk but I'm waiting till I get a vr headset
@@zaidlacksalastname4905you must have some really nice hardware then
Ok ps4 guy
Lol PS4 guy hahaha
I'm playing it from an HDD, with an SSD cache (Primocache). And for loading savegames, its fine. Of course caching only works with data that has been loaded before, but thats why it helps with save games.
I can vouch that the CP2077 on the HDD is absolutely terrible. The roads just disappear when you drive fast, I fixed it by just moving the game files to my SSD. This experience made me want to upgrade my storage to the M.2 drives which has the fastest speeds
Im glad they still cared enough for everyone and not just people with PC's straight out of NASA.. my life situation has been tough and upgrading my system wouldn't be anytime soon but honestly this game is soo well optimized and thanks to AMDs FidelityFX ive been able to play this game on an HDD with 55 to 60 fps at 1440p on a system thats 7 years old. That says a lot about CDPR.
Well they had to do something right
Using SSD is not only for performance. But because of how the streaming works. You will get random t-posing, AI issues, weird bugs which is related to streaming and using and HDD causes all the problems. You won't really notice it until you actually do a proper playthrough. You'll come across some funny bugs, animations not working as intended, AI just freezing and so on. These issues are just not present on an SSD and if so it is few and far between, on an HDD it happens every 15 minutes. I had a lot of fun testing it out though lol. So yes performance isnt the main reason for dropping HDD support.
I have wondered if it is still possible , since i saw also the HDD mode in the options.
Good to know that people can still play with a HDD!
I've got a little heartattack when i didn't saw the crowd density setting at first while testing. :D
I guess some people have used HDD to play CP2077 because game run on Win7 , but for like a year game require win10 , so my question is how someone think is good idea install win10 on HDD and then install CP2077 ??? , I remember when I though is agood idea to install win 10 on HDD , as I had free upgrate , that was wort idea ever , i reverted to win 7 quickly , only when I got SSD I installed win 10 and I can use without any issue... and idea to just have small ssd for win10 and then install CP on hdd is just crazy .
@@smilingpolitely12345 You are right, SSD's are cheap nowadays, so most people have one. But i assume there are stll some people with a 256GB SSD (Win 10 install) + 1TB HDD combi for games. 🙂
@@Beisepimp i have 160 gb ssd sata for the OS and 3 tb hdd for the games
@@Beisepimp That's precisely what I've got and I'm not feeling too happy about it nowadays, honestly I'd free up some space on my SSD for Cyberpunk but I've spend so much time just trying to download the update on my slow ass internet that I don't want to interfere with the install in case something messes up and I have to spend yet another 6 hours downloading
@@Beisepimp Yes , I plan to to do "gap filler" PC upgrate , I will get new mobo+cpu+ram but I will keep case , PSU (is new bought 8 month ago) , I will buy used gpu but will I keep ssd + hdd combo that I have now , I know that my new mobo will have 2 m.2 place , but I buy that when I will do full PC upgrate better cpu , more ram and new gpu xmas 2024 , so then I will get m.2 😀
The game may appear to be working fine on HDD when you just running around but when you actually playing the game so many problem will occurred. Like during many story missions when the new cut scene load in. environment not loading in, characters T pose, missing animation...etc.
Never happened for me with HDD mode enabled.
That happens with weak CPU lol, there was a cutscene with some guys raiding the room with grenades, and the character just stood still with everything exploding, it was pretty badass and funny
@@leonardo25gabriel CPUs shouldnt cause this unlike its so slow that it cant deliver playable fps anyway.
@@leonardo25gabriel yeah but if use ssd with the same weak cpu. That not happen. Many modern games are design to read and load fast data on the fly. And it does take cpu power to read data. Your cpu will have to work more to read data from slow hdd compared to ssd.
I remember having a quiet '...Oh, crumbs' moment when reading the updated minimum specs, wondering if my 4790K could still cope - delightfully, it still can. Nice to see such a big update hasn't had a side-effect I was dreading when it dropped
note that wd black is a bit faster than average dollar store HDD
on Steam notice CD Projekt Red did state the game with the 2.0 update was test on the new spec requirements only but also said the old system requirements
are just not "officially" supported, thats all.
The next gen of gaming is here, first we were getting issues with less VRAM GPUs now from HDD to SSD, i think its a forced upgrade but its kinda necessary too, upgrading from HDD to SSD/Nvme has its major benefits
Thats how progress works, otherwise we would still use IDE drives and floppies. Imagine living in an era where you can get a microSD with 256 GB around 20 € and then compare its size and speed to a 90s floppy disk.
@@voyagerdeepspaceexploratio5023 Yep, but ngl floppy disk has some pretty good nostalgic value 😄
My dumbass gave up on playing this game because the load times were so bad. Thought my PC was just trash, but realized today the reason was because the game was on my HDD. Reinstalling it on my SSD now
I haven't used HDD since I ditch my old store-bought dell computer. SSD were always the choice for actual gaming.
I'm glad more people are starting to realize that PC gaming has changed big these last ten years.
I wonder how many bug reports were hyped because people still used HDD.
This is why people need to consider their own specs before depending on platforms to tell you first.
I have literally been refreshing this channel waiting for this video. My BF got me cyberpunk + the dlc for my birthday and then like a week later we learned about the No HDD support.
Edit: he still had a 4060 in this tho. I have a 1070 Ti and i7 8700
Well - and this drive is from 2012. There are newer and faster HDDs by now, which might also give less problems. For example the Toshiba X300 series is pretty fast.
While I have 5TB of NVMe SSDs in my system that's still on the level of HDD space I had in my system more than 10 years ago. Today I also have an 18TB HDD and a 6TB HDD in my system.
The roads not being loaded brings me back to the DreamCast Crazy Taxi days lol
I’m glad how cheap SSDs are now if someone does decide to upgrade to a SSD. A 1TB Solidigm P41 Plus is $40 w/ an additional $3 discount coupon, which is kind of unheard of if we think back a few years ago, even if the P41 Plus isn’t the most performant drive out there
That moment with road without textures remind me similar behavior from Need For Speed Undercover. By the way more problematic was Gothic 3 from HDD years ago.
HDD platter smashing is one of my favourite things to do in 2023!
You should try with a weaker CPU as it also has a lot to do with loading.
Never had any problems, whatsoever, with my mechanical hard drive running this game. I have an SSD exclusively for my operating system. They're still too expensive to have one of the kind of storage capacity needed for games.
Plus, the limitation of only being able to write data tot hem for a limited number of times, is something which makes using them for stuff like games a no-no for me.
trying to cater to people using HDDs in a gaming machine in 2023 is not worth it, but at the same time it is a cool piece of tech they engineered
That is nice to know, though regarding SSDs, i'm hoping Endurance can go up too.
Are Sata SSDs only going down in price or are the NVMe SSDs going down too? Cause i do want to buy a 2nd NVMe but i cannot decide what to get (and i cannot get one until next yet)
What about WD Gold and HAMR HDDs? will those supposedly be able to keep up with SSDs?
I initially had the game on my HDD, and whilst it was playable, moving to SSD definitely was nicer.
I honestly don't know anyone except myself who uses a hard disk anymore, except maybe some stragglers still using an older game console, but certainly no PC owners and I only have a hard disk(8TB) for storing disk images of my other drives due to the sheer capacity, as well as media such as films, TV shows and music on, since those aren't effected by read/write speed unless you plan to move them.
I have to be honest, though; I find NVMe to be overrated. I mean, it does what it says, but even vs. a SATA SSD on everyday tasks you're just shaving a millisecond of a second, the only time I notice it is during some kind of big install, such as Windows update or a massive game/patch.
Not to say "don't get one", as you can get NVMe for the same price, if not cheaper than SATA SSDs these days, but you're not missing out on much if you choose a SATA over NVMe unless you're moving lots of big files daily, or video editing at 4k or something.
last time i played it was a year ago and it was on a hdd, thanksfully the only drawback i had were long loading time other then that it worked perfectlly no texture loading problems or stutters
Good to hear :)
How you manage to have good enough PC to play CP2077 without SSD ?
@@smilingpolitely12345 easy, i had no use for ssd, like all it does is speed up loading time other then that never had a problem with stutters, on the other hand low fps is noticable so i just upgrade other parts that matter
same here but more so on texture and model loading
i have rx 6800 xt and 1tb hdd and 240gb ssd i played starfield on a hdd @@smilingpolitely12345
My understanding is that going forward they won’t test with HDDs. For now it may be fine, but it’s likely to deteriorate in the future.
Yeah I imagine that’s likely to be the case
what do you mean by deteriorate? meaning hdd would soon be obselete?
@@Yerinjibbang for AAA open world games probably
@@Yerinjibbang Tbh they already are lol. They are good for mass storage of files and movies or whatever of course but for normal PC use theres really no reason to not have an SSD Boot and backup drive. You can get 1tb of SSD storage for 50 bucks and considering a 1tb hard drive is the same price why would you ever get the HDD
@@Yerinjibbang more glitches, more stutters and more missing textures… that said the game is supposedly finished now, no more expansions planned, so maybe it won’t change that much…
Might be worth including the hdd usage reading in the overlay for similar video in the future. Afterburner has at least couple of plugin for that
i havent noticed a option to include hdd usage on msi afterburner i use that program daily
Inside the settings in Monitoring tab, there's a button right under the polling period setting. That's the list of installed plugin. PerfCounter has access to tons of metric from hdd, windows event, network utilization, ecc.. I'm not sure it's included in the defeult install but is pretty easy to find online
I played the old version of Cyberpunk on a 5200rpm 2.5" drive before I got a new NVME. Act 1 was smooth but once act 2 started hickups were common. One thing I did notice when I switched to an SSD is, that if I were to kill a random NPC and stuff it into my trunk and drive with their body in the trunk. Well when I had the HDD I could drive to the other side of the map and the NPC is still there. But once I switched to an SSD now they disappear.
I still use the HDD to store videos and indie games and old games. HDD do that very well even today. But modern AAA games are meant for SSD's.
One experiment you could try in the future is running games off a microSD card in the fastest possible USB adapter. Fast 512GB microSDs are reasonably cheap now but an nvme in a USB enclosure is probably a better option if you have no more motherboard slots left
microSDs are generally slower than HDDs.
External solutions are indeed decent with USB 3.1+. I upgraded to a music SSD a while ago to reduce loading times of my entire folders from a minute to a few seconds. The SSD is a M.2 Crucial MX500, reaching almost its advertised speed running over USB.
The thing with microsd cards tho is they may be ssds but they have like 0 controller no ram or anything that make actual ssds fast.
@@mryellow6918 I noticed actually on my Switch that a couple games became extremely slow to load - what I did was copied the data to my PC, formatted it using the official SD Formatter then copied the files back and the games loaded normally again. It's as if SD cards can get fragmented if the data is scattered around different blocks, despite being solid state storage
Personally I still use HDD for my games library specifically because it's quite big and I can't justify paying an absurd amount of money for 4tb ssd. I have 1tb of SSD reserved for a couple of games that actually do need it but so far 99% run great on HDD. Also Cyberpunk has next to no Loading screens after the first time you get in the game so it's not an issue + it still loads fairly fast for me
likewise its just fine i even got starfield to work on hdd.
My game doesn't even get past the intro if I try to play with 400+ mods on HDD. It does work if it's vanilla tough, so at least to me, the only way to play with mods is in a SSD
1:39 your hdd must be damaged lol
for me took 40 seconds.
but textures of the road looks horrible and even doesn't load sometimes.
The best HDD will be more expensive than and run 15x slower than the worse SSD. I had my gaming SSD go bad and nearly installed Starfield on my HDD but got it back on launch your video convinced me it’s a no go
Hybrid = Burst Cache and Spinning Rust
I honestly don't know why they don't just sell the games on an SSD kind of like how you used to get the old cartridge games... You'd just need a hot swap caddy in your PC and away you go. No need to download it all except for updates of course.
That would actually be pretty cool.
Guess an SSD isn't really a "requirement" after all. If I was to get Cyberpunk, it would be going onto my WD Purple 6TB with HDD mode enabled.
IMO, whilst SSDs are getting cheaper, the good value for money is mostly at 1TB - sometimes 2TB if you look for a good deal - but still, there's only so many SATA slots or NVME slots your motherboard has, and before long, you'll run out. SSDs above 2TB haven't really become that affordable just yet, so those 6TB+ HDDs may well still find a place in many gaming systems as secondary game storage.
the HHD turn off in 2.0 reminds me the good old days when you play GTA 4 at the year of the game was released.. going into NYC area was interesting experience if you have average PC setup..
What we need now is a test of the old minimum requirements on the current update. :)
I have a really small ssd that I have like one major game on at a time that I gotta keep swapping out for other games on my hard drive. Right now I want to do starfield and Cyberpunk but really dont want to keep swapping out. Ill give it a go see how annoying it gets lol.
great video surprised anyone covering that topic
keep it up
SSDs have been a requirement for me more than 10 years ago.
With prices of SSDs these days, Im baffled that people STILL buy HDDs for their games.
You can get an EXCELLENT TLC with DRAM cache 1TB SSD for under 50€ now.
The only game I ever needed to urgently play on SSD was, TW2-3. And now, Starfield.
I have Toshiba P300 so far no problems with HDD mode enabled.
I honestly think people should just switch over to SATA SSDs at the very least, they're as affordable as HDDs these days, and it's a real game changer, without needing to spend the big bucks on nvme SSDs, plus they use the same sata connectors so your system is already compatible for sure.
If you're really tight on a budget just get a 1TB SATA SSD, use that for your OS and priority games, then keep the HDD for storage of media and less important / older games.
Combine a 40-60 euro 1TB SSD with a 50-60 euro 2TB 7200RPM HDD and boom, you're solid.
If you can afford games, you can also afford to do yourself 1 huge favor and skip out on buying 1 game, then buy a SATA SSD with that money instead.
Just buy one for like 50 bucks having an ssd is just really good.
I have flashback of GTA empty floor textures. Good times.
i have played an older version of this game on an hdd and it still spiked, on ssd i had no problems. A lot of these newer games are kinda ssd required now, hdd is slowly going to be a thing from the past.
I cannot even launch it and I have a hybrid drive someone had this problem before? It sends me to the bug report window 4 seconds after I start the game.
HDD mode to auto is a better outcome. When using HDD, thats just more RAM that gets used, so if you got RAM to spare, keep using an HDD, just takes more time to load assets into RAM.
nice one bro!! want this type of video as always
im willing to bet primocache plus more ram would speed up those pesky load times quite a bit it optimizes windows ram cache.
Ever been told you are an alternate version of LGR? ❤
I do play this game using my sata 2 HDD, with HDD mode on Auto. Comparing 2.0 update to previous versions of the game, i do feel, that the game is now loading things for like 30 second after loading and jumping in to the game, a bit stuttery then, but overall, game is super playable, smooth, loading times are not a problem for me, like 30-40 second to load a save game is very acceptable for me.
me too
So it's perfectly fine to play the game on a HDD? Sweet was worried about this myself as it will be a while before I can get a Crucial p3
@@lordpotoo1375 Yeah, 90% of the time game runs very nicely, sometimes there is a problem with missing textures, but after fiew second all load in, remember, that faster drive with more cache, like 128 or 256mb will do a better job here than normal hdds with 64mb.
@@werwito6723 Much appreciated
That's honestly good news. I'm lazy and haven't upgraded yet.
Incredible that this game is playable on HDD. Try SWBF2: Its near unplayable from HDD. The menu took me over 20 minutes, the game 30, just to see objects missing and incredibly low FPS. At that time I was using a 2.5 inch 1.5 TB HDD as a game drive because the SSD storage was too small. Other games like Mass Effect, War Thunder or Warframe run flawlessly on HDD. But by now we can be happy the prices have dropped. I replaced the old stuff with 3 TB 980 Pro this year, incredible when you think of this upgrade costing me less than a single 960 Evo 500 GB in 2017.
SWBF2 you mean Star Wars Battlefront 2? Lol i played over 1500h on HDD and i never had problem.
I am using a Hybrid Seagate Firecuda Drive, the ones before the NVME ones. Cyberpunk works fine in Version 2.0.
2:54 patch 2.0, shoot on a car, npc don't budge, still a nope from me
Yea non combatant npc first hit to chest then head shot they died.
I expect they don't want people loading the game from a shingled drive as if the game tries to write to the drive there will be a massive latency penalty if it exceeds the drives cache.
still kicking with my 4 year old 4tb HDD... lol. And yeah cyberpunk runs just fine sure it runs better with ssds but is totally playable.
with some minor optimization it works just fine, they just dont always optimize the window ram cache, so i used primocache works just as well as an ssd, ssd not required.
With my HDD, my old CPU (i5-3470) couldn't quite keep up. Could barely get 1.6 running without regular stutters and FPS dips well into the lower 20s. Now with an SSD it's usually able to stay at or over 30. Crystal Disk said my HDD was healthy but I have my doubts. No regrets at catching a 2TB SSD on sale for $70.
crystal disk isn't reliable, you should perform tests with something IT professionals use (easeus for example)
i think that was an smr hdd. smr hdds are the slowesd hdds you will ever use. why did you do the test with the worst? why not do a test with some of the best? this is potentially a smr drive. CMR high end drives like exos hdds or fire cuda hdds would likely load better, still im amazed you got cyberpunk working decently well on a very old low end hdd. high end hdds should always be used with games. but for those on a budjet not bad. cmr hdds can potentially have 3times the read and write speeds. at 250 to 300mb a second.
His hdd date of manufacture is 2012! 💀
my modern hdd has 256mb cache where as his has only 64mb
i dont see any problem with HDD because i used to play on crappy textures ever, but the problem is the game now RAM hungry, my ram always in constant 100% whenver i play this game, i thought this game could be eating ram but i see its memory leak again. I think i just wait until later patch firx it. Performance wise its like 30-40 fps without stuttering cause memory leak. Again i play with 5 yo laptop with only 8 gb ram
(before u said, oh its not enough, u need 16 gb, hear me out, when cyberpunk first release i play it, it smooth like butter (except some bug that i cant mention) but again, there is memory leak but i fixed around 1.2 or 1.3)
I never had Cyberpunk on an HDD even tho I, until very recently, used an HDD for all other games till I upgraded to a 2nd 2TB ssd. Still have the 2 3TB HDDs that I had configured as a Raid0 in my System but unless I want to install all of my games I probably don't need it.
Do you think Phantom Liberty will really increase requirements? Patch 2.0 didn't changed anything, I still have the same amount of fps.
Yeah the updated requirements came in with this update so you have nothing to worry about
@@RandomGaminginHD Thank you, good to hear : )
the long loading time will get annoying esp if often such as on fallout/ any rpg
i even got stutters on fh3, although most of times wd black run games just as fine as ssd
I have it running off 4 10,000RPM 2.5” HDD’s in RAID 0, which is still much slower than a single SSD & it’s managing OK right now.
Nice :)
the NVME boot drive cost more than the 2 Hybrid drives together.
I think what makes it more useable is how powerful the CPU and RAM is, to perhaps more easily load lots of stuff in memory when it is needed. Then perhaps HDD mode does push more things to be loaded in memory (it might also be good for people with slow SSDs but good CPU/RAM).
You did say it took around 2 minutes to load but it would be nice to add a timer. Even though you could cheat with the timer but it feels more like you see the result yourself.
Been playing since day one on an HDD. Not even a caviar black. With the HDD mode on. Hasn't ruined my experience at all.
ryzen 7 2700 oc'd 3.8ghz 16threads
ram 32gb at 3200mhz
4tb hdd WD with ssd on the os
gtx 1660 oc upgraded to Rtx 3O7O Ti
Glad you have still been able to enjoy the game :)
That's a big CPU bottleneck in this game.
@@chintoki Nah, a Ryzen 7 (even an old one without OC) keeps up with a 3070Ti just fine. He can just pump the settings. The 2700 was still fairly high end when CP released, and it's not a game you have to target 300 frames for.
@@BrusqueLee Regardless, it should be bottlenecking the 3070ti on Cyberpunk.
i have rx 6800 xt and ryzen 5 1600@@chintoki
Reminds me of the missing ground textures in GTA 5 when using a Dual-core CPU
Haha yeah
still going to use my hdds. i got 25 terabites of games. several ssds and im not transfering back and forth best i would do is use ram as cache or wort resort ssd cache. but for the most part even on the most demanding games my hdds work just fine they are exos enterprize hdds however so thier quite speedy for hdds. much faster then the one you used.
The only thing holding me to my 4TB HDD is my BD-ROM drive. I still feel an attachment to Physical Media, and ripping my own discs, so if I can get SATA to USB that works for an optical drive, I'm set. But yeah, good times.
There are still some cases out there with a 5.25" drive bay for optical drives (I love my BD writers and physical media as well) and while a little awkward, there are external 5.25" USB enclosures for optical drives as well. My next case I'm mulling over doesn't have internal 5.25" bays, so if I want to keep using my drive(s) I will need to get the external enclosure.
I cannot run the game anymore, it crashes before it even loads which saddens me because it's honestly one of my top 3 games. I'll admit my pc isn't the best but before 2.0, my pc could run it at least 50fps which isn't great but tolerable. Now it doesn't even launch.
Here's my specs.
GTX 1660 (not super or ti, standard)
I5 - 2400 cpu
16gb ram.
The menu works fine. Just the game doesn't work. I have validated files via steam and removed the user settings appdata thing. Still doesn't work. And my driver is up to date
Thanks for the informative video
Guess the new recommendation is for old/big capacity HD +2T with low cache and 5400 RPM 🤔
Anyway there is anew trend of developers pushing the blame for low performance to the end users - outdated hardware. 🤑
Sure, devs can definitely do much better at optimizing their games so that it just runs better in general, but the outdated hardware thing is also a reality. HDD's as primary storage falls into that category, as does 2nd/3rd/4th gen Intel CPU's etc. As painful as it is, computer tech moves on and gaming studios are always going to chasing the next big flashy thing, which whilst sucky, does also drive the industry forward.
To me a 7200rpm HDD is not bad for most games. That is only if the operating system is on a SSD because that leaves the entire bandwidth of the HDD for the game. Your loading times won't be the greatest but the game will still run fine once loaded in. Obviously a SSD is better and recommended but a HDD isn't bad as long as you have a decent SSD for the operating system.
The DLC might be the reason SSDs are now required.
I just played earlier with my HDD and that thing has the slowest speed a HDD can have. It's playing fine with High settings on.
I regret buying a 4 TB HDD instead of a Sata 1 TB SSD when both were available for 200 euro.
I didn't see, years ago, the need of SSDs coming for gaming in the future.
Well, at least it's not one of the slowest HDD of its time and i can still use it for backup and archive.
For sure i now need an SSD for gaming because the small Sata 256 GB i have for the OS doesn't have enough space for my taste.
Saving for a gen 5 NVME SSD because i can install this new gen on my motherboard, even if a gen 4 for now would be pretty much the same experience in gaming, just for an extra bit of "future proof".
Would recomend try to create 2 or 3 HDD software raid with in windows for "part 2" testing. it might make a nice difference in results in many games (noticed this back in 2016 when playing arma3 with various loadtimes and frametimes) 😉
raid 0 indeed more expensive but doubt itll have significant effect on games
i mean responsive
didnt test games back then since i got bluescreens
HDDs are very affortable as used specially during 2023 (example 1TB is possible for 10€) so by being bit smarter you get 3-4 of these cheap_badboys and you got yourself affordable semi-decent storage that has great ammount of storage.
Btw some older drives can be found even from dumpsters. Collected about 15x 500gb wd green drives back in the days from recording TV digi-box systems
So gtx 4060 can push 100fps, so when my rx 6800 arrives, it gonna have easily 100+ fps :D
For now game with biggest impact on hdd vs ssd is Starfield. I knew that CP gonna be fine with HDD option on.
Well, I guess my pc will not recieve an HDD next to the SSD, but an NVME to the MB, if I want to game some in the next 5 years. :D
will you test some older GPUs with the new 2.0 update? since system requirements have increased
I also had cyberpunk installed on my hard drive before updating with the newest patch I also noticed dialogue delay with the lips textures popping in and out like crazy especially on foot in crowded areas don't worry the games now installed on my M2 haha 😆
I recently found my WD black 500gb HDD and I tried if it works but it had clicking sound and windows didn't recognise it. I don't remember when I used HDD last time. I forgot how heavy and bulky it is,like a brick lol. I'm using 2 kingston A2000 ssd's
i installed it 1st on my external hdd 5400rpm and was playable(but some sounds n other was not 100%,but playable)Now on my m2 nvme gen3+ its very fast to launch n so much nicer to play!(but if no choice its doable to play on hdd+external hdd but be prepared for long long wait for it to launch at first+long load times in game to when it has to load stuff in)
Thanks for this video...