I just recently bought a 4060 and I got ROASTED hard online, and this video really helped in settling my mind, I am upgrading from an rx550 card and so far the rtx 4060 has served me well
The RTX 4060 is a good card for 1080p. It was criticized too much because of the amount of memory and 128-bit bus. However, if you look at the actual performance, it is more often than not faster than 3060. Perhaps in the future, due to the amount of memory, you will have to reduce the quality of textures, but for another 1-2 years it will run all games at high settings.
I have had a Ryzen 5 2600 and a GTX 1060 3GB ... I too bough a 4060 and paired it with a 5 5600, why the frick would I pay for 4070 which costs ALOT and I do not have a 1440p monitor (and I am not talking about my 520W PSU and B450M motherboard), 4060 is a solid card, do not care about the opinions of low lifers... this PC will serve me for the next 3 to 4 years before buying one brand new but I will not sell it, nope.
Getting older sucks... Because I can remember actual budget performance bargains like the GTX260 Core 216 launching for like $250-300 and the 9600GT for like $175. You could actually play DirectX 10 games on them if you had a decent multi core CPU.
@haiwin224 In the future you'll have to change gpu every few years anyway so why pay at least $500 every now and then when you can go half that for more than decent experience.
@@LoneWolf-je9vr You don't understand. In 2008 a customer paid $250-300 for a full featured upper midrange card. The GTX 260 Core 216 was the equivalent of a RTX 4070 Ti Super in terms of performance and placement in Nvidia's product stack in that period. For new DX10 titles like Crysis, Far Cry 2, and Supreme Commander the GTX 260 Core 216 was a great card. There is zero reason the modern equivalent upper midrange card costs $800 when in 2008 it cost $300. $300 in 2008 adjusted for inflation is about $440. Nvidia is ripping everyone off not because their costs have gone up, but rather because they know that people will pay outrageous prices for that performance.
You can look from another perspective. Consider the transistor, density, process size, and die size. The process and die size is getting smaller while packing a whole lot transistor and density. This is just exactly like an itx thingy. You get an itx tax in gpu form . Another easier way to interpret : this is just abstract imagination. Imagine 1000 kg of steel = 1000 of 1 kg steel. The latter will be sold with higher price because you need to consider the energy and cost to cut those into tiny pieces of 1 kg into 1000 of them. And if those action need to add up the profit, it'll add up to the end user price. Probably that's the gist nvidia tax
@@Crunchy-XG I doubt materials cost and lower nanometer processes have increased material and manufacturing costs 200%. Is it more expensive to make more efficient and powerful chips? Sure. I don't think it is 2x more expensive. Even if they are using 200% more materials per GPU PC gaming getting more mainstream would lead to lower cost of raw materials and finished products due to economies of scale. Back when I graduated High School and bought a GTX 260 Core 216 PC gaming was still relatively niche. I knew plenty of my classmates who gamed. Just 90% of them were on console. There was no Twitch. There was not really a lot of PC centered channels on RUclips. Now gaming on PC is mainstream. I don't buy that Nvidia is taking it in the shorts on the high cost of producing GPUs. I don't believe that they have to charge outrageous prices to their customers. I do believe they have jacked up prices to get max return on each unit sold to keep the shareholders happy.
As a person who does benchmarks, I want to warn everyone who after this video wanted to buy an RTX 4060. First and most importantly, this card has already not enough video memory for ultra textures at 1080p in some modern games. For example, the game horizon forbidden west takes about an hour or two for the memory to fill up and start transferring it into RAM. The glorified frame generation, which only worsens the situation in case of memory shortage lack. Despite the fact that the 3060 is weaker than the 4060 (when 4060 has enough VRAM) I would still give it preference if you find it used, an ordinary user will have fewer problems with it. On it, you can play new AAA gaming in 2K without any problems, with ultra textures and DLSS. If the game allows you to enable frame generation from AMD along with DLSS it is even better, there the 4060 would have long ago choked. No matter what anyone says, a card with a 128 bus and 8 gigabytes of memory has no right to be called higher than 4050 in 2024.
By the way, I didn't say in the video that you need to buy the RTX 4060 instead of the 3060. I said that the characteristics can be deceiving. Without a doubt, real 12 GB is better than 8 GB and 4 GB is not compensated by increased cache memory and new architecture. At certain settings, the 4060 can lose to the 3060, set it to 1440p and ultra textures and the 4060 will lose.
And it seems strange to me to set unrealistic settings for these video cards. In fact, these are mid-entry-level video cards, why include ultra textures on them? To "enjoy" 30 FPS?
@@livegamesii Actual textures don't have a substantial hit on performance, just on VRAM. If you have a 16gb-20gb GPU, you will basically get the same performance with low textures and ultra textures, it's just that ultra textures use more VRAM. These mid-entry-level video cards can enjoy ultra textures at 60fps if their VRAM and bus width would allow them to. With a 12gb 3060 you can set other game settings (that affect actual GPU performance) to medium or high in order to achieve a solid 60fps and then crank textures to ultra which will help with image quality. The performance impact will be small or non-existant because textures only need VRAM and bandwidth.
@@livegamesii I completely agree with you, I personally have never owned a console. And I will always choose lower graphics and textures in order to get 60 fps.
I went from a GTX 1050 2GB to a RTX 3050 8GB, It was a nice upgrade for me, I'm still using my same CPU, Ryzen 5 2600. It's good for most games that I play, I'm grateful for the upgrade, and ofc, different countries and currencies exists sooo yea.
@vZinDix cus nvidia has more support than amd, such as Blender, content creation, etc. Thats why I went for it. Otherwise if it was just all about gaming then I wouldve gone for the rx 6600
one of the mistakes is people not researching much about gpu's then gets scammed with its performance(that's the case in my country)....so i recommended a friend to buy a rx 6600 cause it has great performance and budget wise pretty affordable, but instead he gets a rtx 3050 which sucks and a huge waste of money honestly, his reasoning is it has RTX😭
If you build a NEW gaming PC priortize mainboard, power supply, CPU, Case, Cooling and RAM. You can compromise on the price of the GPU, because that's the component that is easy to replace and next gen will always offer a better performance. Replacing the GPU with a better one is much easier if the power supply and CPU haven been choosen with future upgrades in mind. It's not unusual to replace the GPU 2 - 3 times with a new gen card before having the need to replace the CPU and RAM (and the mainboard). A good high end power supply can even last 10 years or more. Also a good case with filters at the air intakes reduces the aging of components like PSUs and CPU coolers by reducing dust and dirt inside the case.
Regards : If you build a NEW gaming PC priortize mainboard. Go AMD AM5 and you have years to get better CPU with same MB. Get a good PS and you can expand for 5 years both CPU and GPU. Picking a GPU is always a challange as there is so much hype and misinformation floating aroud. Some hate AMD for all the youtube scammers and AMD hype. Others hate NVIDA for insane pricing. Look at what NVIDA just brought to the makret.
I bought the 4060Ti (January 2024) with "only" 8GB but i can all new Games without problems and with Raytracing in 1080P ... i don't know why so many idiots say "8GB isn't enough"
about the VRAM, It also depends on your usage, if you are playing 1080p, but at the same time you want to stream on YT/Twitch, get more then 8 GB of VRAM + 8 GB won't be enough in ca 3 yrs if the trend continues
I have two 1440p Ultra Wide monitors one for streaming chat and one for gameplay. I think my RTX 3080 12GB MSI Gaming X Trio and I7 10700K is just enough for this setup at least for a few more years
vram can make a huge difference... have a poc 400$ console, ryzen 5 8600G with 32gb ram, uses 10gb for the igpu, with pbo and image generation, i get on max settings constant more than 30fps 1080p... in modern AAA games...
the biggest mistake i made was when i got lured into 1440p gaming. i was about to make the same mistake when i was shopping for a 4k monitor when my 1440p broke. but then i realized that i don't need the higher resolution when i can just game on 1080p, since I'm not streaming games anyway. do i decided to just get a 1080p LG ultrawide and it was the best decision ever. now i could max out my rtx 3060 and i even play using my old gtx 1050ti. i recently ordered an rx 6600 for my itx build. i think that's good enough since i only play when i have the time to do so and mostly, its just horizon 4 and some GTA V.
If you are considering a video card only for games, the RX 7700 XT will be more powerful and more profitable. And there is no point in taking the RTX 4060 ti.
IMHO the example of an used 1080 / 1080 ti versus a brand new mid range card isn't a common case. That's an option for experienced PC builders that don't shy away from dismanteling graphic card coolers and replace thermal pads or even mount an after market air or water cooler. The more common choice is to buying a brand new mid range next gen card like a 4070 / 4070 ti or one of the last high end cards of the last gen like a 3080 or 3090. Usually the prices are mostly similiar and the high end cards offer more VRAM, while the new gen has better upscaling and raytracing.
Actually, if you are on GPUs for IA/Machine Learning/LLM, the 16GB is much better than 8GB! I have some rigs with a couple of old RTX 3070 8GB for LLM, but adding a RTX 4060 Ti 16Gb to one rig makes total difference! Now, with 32Gb of VRAM, I could run medium to large models, like Mistral 8x7b - a nearly GPT 3.5 class model - with decent 15-20 tokens per second.
Wow I am glad I clicked on this video, here I was thinking I already knew plenty about GPUs since past 3 years but I got to learn a couple more things from this video too, not just for GPUs but even for CPUs and architectural improvement! Very great video, you deserved my sub 👍
You didn't understand the point of the video, watch it again. you need to take a card that matches its vram capacity in terms of power. for example, there is an rtx 4060 ti which has 16 GB and for this card this is an excessive amount of memory, but the RX 7700 XT for the same money has 12 GB and is more powerful in raster graphics - it is more preferable and balanced.
I saw a RX 580 tested with 8GB vs 16GB. No res/setting that used more than 8GB ran well - the card isn't powerful enough for any use that uses the extra VRAM.
Decent advices! I want to add a few things. Advertising can be crazy. Before you bying anything ask yourself : do I really need that? If you play games what kind of games you play and what do they require. Some people might need only a iGPU because they don't play tripple AAA titles, others need more than that. Look at tests for the games you are playing as some games favour more amd and others nvidia. No need to put everyhing on ultra. There are guides for every game how to optimise it and squeez more fps (almost) without loosing quality so even with some budget cards you can enjoy a comfortable experience. Look at your driver options as sometimes they can solve you problems. As some people said: higher fps is good but stable fps is a must.
I have bought AMD graphics cards in the past and every time they have the same problem. The overall image that gets rendered always seems fuzzy to me. No matter what the settings are I can never get a clear sharp image to display. I have never had this problem with Nvidia graphics cards. I believe the answer is obvious and that is the design team at AMD prioritize speed over image quality which is a valid consideration and most users probably will not even notice unless they see a side by side comparison of the graphics rendering between the two manufacturers. I have bought three different AMD cards over the years so it was not a one time thing or even a specific time window that I bought the cards, as the time delta between the first one and the last one was over ten years apart. If you are extremely annoyed by blurry graphics in your games even if it only happens when you turn your head fast, then I wouldn't buy an AMD card. If you have owned an AMD card in the past and didn't notice a fuzzy picture then I would say that your visual acuity is not sensitive to this and AMD cards will suit your needs just fine. If you are in the latter group count your blessings as AMD historically have the best bang for the buck in performance.
i have a gtx 1060 6gb and i want to upgrade my options are RTX 3060 12GB RTX 4060 8GB I want to stream and generate content. I will most likely buy a prebuild as i cannot build a pc. Which one should I get. I need more fps while having the ability to stream live on YT / Twitch!
The problem is not every AMD cards are available around the world. You are most likely to see a 4060 first before you can find a RX 6600. If you try to buy overseas the shipping will also kill the budget. So that's the sad reality of GPU.
Must say - the choice of Video card is made interesting if your gaming rig is also used for Video rendering or running heavy computational workloads that leverage CUDA - there I would say NVidia have a significant edge. So I bought my last video card 7 years ago - and yes it is a Gigabyte Aorus GTX 1080ti - and boy has this stood the test of time - paired to a Intel 7820X CPU. A few weeks ago I spent a few grand and bought a HP Z640 workstation - dual Xeon E5-2699v3 with 256GB RAM and a NVidia Quadro P4000 card (about equivalent to a 1070). For me this combination is brilliant for what I wish - processing Astroimages and Rendering 2K video - having 36 physical cores and a 1070 card is absolute price performance to the tasks I wish to run. A hint for the unaware - this rig won't be elligible for Win 11 and so you should switch hyperthreading off - else you will have 72 logical processors spread across two NUMA cores - and most software doesn't handle having over 64 logical threads well - the miss binding threads with the correct processor affinity that is a must! So if you ever go over 64 logical cores on a WIn 10 platform - disable hyperthreading! So it is not all about games. If I use RC-Astro AI script in say PixInsight with 3d GPU enabled jobs that used to take 3 minutes on an 8 core CPU take 17 seconds on a 1080Ti. My 10 year old dual Xeon crushes my 7 year old Intel extreme Workstation that costed twice as much. Your advice is all reasonable - but the going in position is 3d card are all about gaming. If you add AI, science, CUDA programming, astrophotography or video rendering on Blackmagic Resolve - then NVidia cards that are quite dated can provide amazing uplifts extremely economically!
Im a bit confused about the « usb power transmission » like the usb 3.1 gen 2 thing could you explain it please and how I know if I use it or not? Thanks for the video it gave a good start for what to check for on a replacement for my graphics card.
The hardest choice for me is to decide if I want more VRAM and with it longer life of the GPU + better Linux compatibility or the better RT performance.
13:50 One of the best examples of CPUs in 4k resolution is the comparison of the Ryzen 7 5700X3D and the Ryzen 7 9800X3D. While the CPUs in Full HD are sometimes a good 30% apart, in 4k it is only 5-10%. Both CPUs have no problem to utilize a 4090 at 100% in 4k.
Im currently really wondering because i have a gtx 1060 6gb and i found a rtx 4060 8gb for close to 50% cheaper then if bought new yea its used but i looked at it and its actually in really good condition and im really contemplating on upgrading
Not only the amount of VRam is important but also its connection to the GPU. The current maximum is 384 bits. Particularly relevant for large textures.
i came from gtx 570 (sold) / quadro 4000(kept), then rx 570 (kept), then 1070(kept due to EVGA brand), then 3060 12gb(sold) / 3070 super(tried.. didnt work), almost went to 4060(GPUZ says 8x pcie lane) aaaaannddd nope ... straight to 7800xt. In my case.. RT sucks, since the apps is mostly on diablo 4, and some works(CAD..some MXR and SNX) driving 4k60 display. i found that VRAM matters, BY A LOT. This 7800xt probably going to last for quite some time, orange cougar CMX1200w power supply has been more then 8 years. still rocks my rig. we would try to avoid cuda. unless really necessary which most of the time not
switching from 750ti to 980 soon, I was really hesitant to upgrade my gpu because the system is really old and i rather get a new pc, it just died recently so i have no choice but to build a new one 980 was a gift anyway should be fine for games i was playing and now i can actually upgrade it to something newer later on
If you don't need the portability of a laptop then go build a pc instead. You can build a pc with AM5 procie+rtx 4070 or 7800xt for the same price of a 4060 laptop Desktop also has the advantage of better cooling as you can install a good AIO or a big ass air cooling fan so the temps is much better which means better performance. It is also easier to buy replacement parts if something goes wrong. You can also upgrade it easily if the time comes or if you want a beefier components.
Well bit rate amount l2 and l3 cache amount of RAM are all important but buying an older last gen video card should absolutely be considered in cost to performance decisions for example I was looking at the rtx 3070 and rtx 4070 and 7800xt and 7900 gre and I discovered with a little research that the rx 6800 non xt was all I needed for my 1440p gaming. On a side note the intel 7th through 10th gen are all the same architecture with few feature differences, but none that really makes the 14nm+++ series so if you are 7th through 10th your fine.
The first card i bought for myself was a GTX TITAN X Pascal from 2017. It performs slightly better than the 1080 ti in benchmarks, but also has 12 GB VRAM as well. I bought it for around $160 around June 2023, and it served me very well. I could play Star wars Jedi: Survivor at max settings at 4k on my smart TV, which was only up to 30hz sadly, but some how the card could enable raytracing. The raytracing mainly just added the reflections in some surfaces, and slightly improved the lighting in some scenes, but it was running. Pretty solid card if you get one for a good price, or if you are wanting to build a 2016-2018 era PC.
Nah, me getting the rtx 3080 was the last time getting an nvidia card. Despite all the PR behind raytracing, it's a performance hog, doesn't add much and decreases frames too much, having to depend on DLSS 2, which makes the visuals bad. So much for a flagship Nvidia card They already abandoned 30 series cards in terms of features like DLSS 3.
if your pc budget is 500 - 600 you should get a 3070 or 2080 ti and pair it with a ryzen 5600 the gpu is around 200 - 300 used and the cpu is 90 quid but its really good for the price
8gb is dead, unless you like to lower textures to medium for no aparent reason. Gpu can handle it but vram is too low 😂 We got 8gb rx 470 in 2016 and it was way cheaper then current 60 class cards. 8gb in 2024 on $300 is joke
Honestly ive been rocking a 8gb Vram card for a year now and i cannot complain, its just in a few games where i cant run textures on the highest but i dont see any difference either way
It all depends on WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING to do with the card. For AI, you literally need 16gigs for normal usage. 12gigs and you'll be pretty tight. So no.
I do not fully agree with the point 'Don't overpay for the sam card', consider this an opinion based on limited experience of basic user. I lean towards buying better verions of cards (example Sapphire NITRO+) over the regular versions. The reason behind is similar to what you mentioned. You pay extra for better cooling and maybe higher clocks. Which may be good thing. I am not obsessed with quiet builds but when i had RX 580 from MSI it was a terrible experience, the card was so loud that it was disturbing me during gaming and i use big headphones. I cannot hear my Sapphire R9 380x nitro nor Sapphire 7900xt nitro. They are quieter than CPU cooler/Case fans. So i woud say it depends.
The statement should be more specific. "Because Radeon cards already lead in price to performance, up-selling yourself on better cooling is viable. Nvidia cards at the low to mid range are so stingy on the performance that literally the only decent price to performance picks are the ones stripped of all extras." 😅
I don’t want a card that sometimes outperforms. I want a card that outperforms. If I’m spending hundreds of $, then I’m going with nvidia because I know it will outperform AMD and intel. That’s what you are paying for. So get it right.
im still using gtx 750 ti 4gb since im runing the game 24/7 . for electric cost eficient, but now i plan to upgrade but still strugle to chose . any recomend?
bro what about those who do video editing, motion graphics(after effects) and 3d work like blender? rn I am confused between 4060 and 7700xt . or I should wait for march launch of new budget card launch? some saying their prices going to be higher...so confused
Yes the consoles use 8 cores but they are zen 2 cores lol. Remember a 6 core 7600 (zen 4) will perform roughly on par with a 5700x3d which is far better than the 3700x equivalent on the consoles
i like to say so you only want to play games and dont like rt? go with AMD 100% so you want to do other stuff than gaming and want to use rt as much as possible? go with Nvidia 100% the ray tracing rule doesnt apply to any gou that's weaker than the 4070 super anything weaker than that just depends if you want to do editing or streaming if you only want to game go with amd if you want to stream and edit most of the time nvidia is better choice but not if youre fighting over like 4060 ti and 7700xt then 7700xt is better for just overall everything
That's not why I got Nvidia, I got Nvidia because amd didn't have a suitable alternative, with 24GB or memory or more at the same price tag. As I use mine for work more than gaming.
well the GPU part has many parts wrong. NVIDIA wasn't the first to put ray tracing nor frame generation but was the first company to get game developers to support their hardware for it. They both existed in the 1990s with real time ray tracing just "real time" meant 20 fps back then. For what GPU is best for you? nViida AMD Intel or Qualcomm? look at reviews for the games you play as none of the 4 are always on top. For the CPU right now you have AMD and Intel for x86 which most consumer software runs on then quallcomm and Apple for ARM CPUs that you will need a different version of the same software for. Most likely if you are on a windows machine you have x86 and either AMD or Intel. Which you pick doesn't really matter much thugh if you want every frame in a game the AMD X3D chips are better than the Intel chips. For system RAM most likely the CPU will support DDR5. Make sure it is UDIMM not CUDIMM otherwise nothing really matters. The reason why is CUDIMMs do not work will if at all with UDIMM controlelrs while CUDIMM controllers can work with both UDIMM and CUDIMM RAM. For the storage drive right now 1TB of M.2 PCIe storage is good and most will not need more than 1TB of local storage. If you do you will know thus why the SATA ports on the motherboard exist for you to add in more internal storage. For the motehrboard make sure all the above parts are compatable with it then add up the number of USB ports you need add 2 for just in case you need more in the future, make sure it has wired networking most should have at least 10/100/1000 some newer ones with faster networking, and find out the form factor of it. For the case get one you think looks nice as it is what you will be looking at for the life of the computer. Having at least 2 USB Type-A ports and a power button on the top is always nice. Make sure what the case is supports the motherboard you chose and make sure the GPU you chose fits into the case including the room for the power plugs so a little more depth then you would think. For the PSU make sure it can power everything above and is the correct size for the case you chose. Looking at the power curve for where the best power draw is is nice but not needed. Get 1 that has 80+ on it doesn't really matter which one it is as long as it is one of them. One you have all that stuff picked out then start compromising to go down in price to what you can afford. The only part I will say to never compromise on is the power supply as if it blows everything goes with it. You can always upgrade later so having the best at the start most likely will just add on more cost but still be reasonable for what you need.
I wonder if game companies are in fact sales people of gpu manufacturers. Starcraft was made in 1998 and it is still being played today. Mario is waaay back and still remains a top playing game. In the end, a greqt video game only needs eclxcellent game mechanics + good controls + good storyline. Heck, even the latter is optional!
I just built a budget gaming PC and went with the Radeon RX 6650 XT. Runs everything at high or extreme values, and I am getting >100fps @1080p on pretty much everything I play, with the lows being >70fps still. I have not tried Cyberpunk yet, that game seems to be this generation's Crysis. 😂
I think you're good. A good CPU helps, but Cyberpunk 2077 relies more on the GPU for graphics. Just turn off ray tracing and you'll be set. Using Radeon Boost with XeSS (Intel's upscaling tech) will also help improve performance without sacrificing much quality.
@jeke8413 it likely wont come up. I already have it and the DLC for PS5 lol I was having a longing for CounterStrike and the RTS games I have been missing for years.
I just bought an GTX 1080 since all ill be doing is playing indie games and others that don't require alot of power like league of legends i think ill keep it until its becomes non supported
If you had a choice of getting an 8GB or 16GB GPU, why the deuce would you take less VRAM?....Especially if you want to game with all the eye candy dialled up?......Lol.....this video doesn't make sense.
for point 1 maybe you can add non gaming app. mean application like davinci can render video with nvidia gpu or blender use cuda core in nvidia. latest like you said is AI engineering optimal with nvidia card. but if the main focus is just gaming then ignore my comments ..... 😁
My card is weaker that my friends but he was unable to play monster hunter wilds and another game because of the vram bottleneck. My card has 16gb of vram and hit close to maxing that out while playing wilds but was able to play the beta with no problem. My friends more powerful card was not because it crashed due to the vram bottleneck strained his cpu so kept crashing
Nice video Got a 7900xtx And it’s been very great l don’t use RT that much but for rasterised gaming it has been very good l had an rx6750xt so it was a big jump. This is my 5th pc build 😂
Take your time to find the best gpu for the budget you can afford. Don't get scared of the used market. Take your time, research by specs and performance/price ratio. If you can "only" afford that really cheap 1660ti with 6gb ddr6 you'll be able to play on it. I did and can't complain.
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i have the gigabyte rx 7600 with an intel i5 12400f i heard that was a ok combo
@@Had1_2_many good build👍
@@livegamesii the 4060 has good temps cause it only requires 1 single 8 pin tapping it out at max 180-200w
I just recently bought a 4060 and I got ROASTED hard online, and this video really helped in settling my mind, I am upgrading from an rx550 card and so far the rtx 4060 has served me well
Rtx 4060 is really solid
The RTX 4060 is a good card for 1080p. It was criticized too much because of the amount of memory and 128-bit bus. However, if you look at the actual performance, it is more often than not faster than 3060. Perhaps in the future, due to the amount of memory, you will have to reduce the quality of textures, but for another 1-2 years it will run all games at high settings.
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Ah you that guy from the nvidia Reddit
I have had a Ryzen 5 2600 and a GTX 1060 3GB ... I too bough a 4060 and paired it with a 5 5600, why the frick would I pay for 4070 which costs ALOT and I do not have a 1440p monitor (and I am not talking about my 520W PSU and B450M motherboard), 4060 is a solid card, do not care about the opinions of low lifers... this PC will serve me for the next 3 to 4 years before buying one brand new but I will not sell it, nope.
"Here are some budget GPUs"
(The cheapest being 400€/~$450)
Y'all either never knew or have forgot about what "budget option" actually is.
Getting older sucks... Because I can remember actual budget performance bargains like the GTX260 Core 216 launching for like $250-300 and the 9600GT for like $175. You could actually play DirectX 10 games on them if you had a decent multi core CPU.
@haiwin224
In the future you'll have to change gpu every few years anyway so why pay at least $500 every now and then when you can go half that for more than decent experience.
@@LoneWolf-je9vr You don't understand. In 2008 a customer paid $250-300 for a full featured upper midrange card. The GTX 260 Core 216 was the equivalent of a RTX 4070 Ti Super in terms of performance and placement in Nvidia's product stack in that period. For new DX10 titles like Crysis, Far Cry 2, and Supreme Commander the GTX 260 Core 216 was a great card. There is zero reason the modern equivalent upper midrange card costs $800 when in 2008 it cost $300. $300 in 2008 adjusted for inflation is about $440. Nvidia is ripping everyone off not because their costs have gone up, but rather because they know that people will pay outrageous prices for that performance.
You can look from another perspective.
Consider the transistor, density, process size, and die size. The process and die size is getting smaller while packing a whole lot transistor and density. This is just exactly like an itx thingy. You get an itx tax in gpu form .
Another easier way to interpret : this is just abstract imagination. Imagine 1000 kg of steel = 1000 of 1 kg steel. The latter will be sold with higher price because you need to consider the energy and cost to cut those into tiny pieces of 1 kg into 1000 of them. And if those action need to add up the profit, it'll add up to the end user price. Probably that's the gist nvidia tax
@@Crunchy-XG I doubt materials cost and lower nanometer processes have increased material and manufacturing costs 200%. Is it more expensive to make more efficient and powerful chips? Sure. I don't think it is 2x more expensive. Even if they are using 200% more materials per GPU PC gaming getting more mainstream would lead to lower cost of raw materials and finished products due to economies of scale. Back when I graduated High School and bought a GTX 260 Core 216 PC gaming was still relatively niche. I knew plenty of my classmates who gamed. Just 90% of them were on console. There was no Twitch. There was not really a lot of PC centered channels on RUclips. Now gaming on PC is mainstream. I don't buy that Nvidia is taking it in the shorts on the high cost of producing GPUs. I don't believe that they have to charge outrageous prices to their customers. I do believe they have jacked up prices to get max return on each unit sold to keep the shareholders happy.
I missed the time when games only requires 32MB - 64MB - 128MB - 256MB - 512MB of vram.
what happened at 1 GB
@@henrikfox8960game crashes bro game crashes
I remember going to a computer fair and upgrading my 32mb to a 64mb what a difference 😎...definitely don't miss the graphics though back then
i miss the time when graphics cards didn't cost a kidney and a lung for the "budget" option
Folks have no idea how sad the state of modern game development is.
Got a 4070 super. I will never regret buying 850 watt psu. It’s overkill but it’s saved me in terms of never needing a new one everytime I upgrade
What monitor did you got with that gpu?
I BOUGHT THAT 4070 SUPER , I WILL NOT REGRET EITHER AT ANY POINT
@@SightsLocked1U btw i got an acer 4k 3440 * 1440 its so fcking amazing
4070 super but what cpu u have
@@Lamagicianne934 if you are asking me i use i7-9700 its a HP z2 workstation
As a person who does benchmarks, I want to warn everyone who after this video wanted to buy an RTX 4060. First and most importantly, this card has already not enough video memory for ultra textures at 1080p in some modern games. For example, the game horizon forbidden west takes about an hour or two for the memory to fill up and start transferring it into RAM. The glorified frame generation, which only worsens the situation in case of memory shortage lack. Despite the fact that the 3060 is weaker than the 4060 (when 4060 has enough VRAM) I would still give it preference if you find it used, an ordinary user will have fewer problems with it. On it, you can play new AAA gaming in 2K without any problems, with ultra textures and DLSS. If the game allows you to enable frame generation from AMD along with DLSS it is even better, there the 4060 would have long ago choked. No matter what anyone says, a card with a 128 bus and 8 gigabytes of memory has no right to be called higher than 4050 in 2024.
By the way, I didn't say in the video that you need to buy the RTX 4060 instead of the 3060. I said that the characteristics can be deceiving. Without a doubt, real 12 GB is better than 8 GB and 4 GB is not compensated by increased cache memory and new architecture. At certain settings, the 4060 can lose to the 3060, set it to 1440p and ultra textures and the 4060 will lose.
And it seems strange to me to set unrealistic settings for
these video cards. In fact, these are mid-entry-level video cards, why include ultra textures on them? To "enjoy" 30 FPS?
@@livegamesii Actual textures don't have a substantial hit on performance, just on VRAM. If you have a 16gb-20gb GPU, you will basically get the same performance with low textures and ultra textures, it's just that ultra textures use more VRAM.
These mid-entry-level video cards can enjoy ultra textures at 60fps if their VRAM and bus width would allow them to.
With a 12gb 3060 you can set other game settings (that affect actual GPU performance) to medium or high in order to achieve a solid 60fps and then crank textures to ultra which will help with image quality. The performance impact will be small or non-existant because textures only need VRAM and bandwidth.
@@livegamesii I completely agree with you, I personally have never owned a console. And I will always choose lower graphics and textures in order to get 60 fps.
4060 never should have been created.
Sometimes I agree FPS per Dollar, BUT need to consider also WATTS per Dollar.. Because NOT EVERYONE have high wattage electricity in their home.
Depends where you live, local electricity prices and how much you use your computer
I like that my more efficient card doesn't heat up my room as much as some of the more power-hungry cards.
I went from a GTX 1050 2GB to a RTX 3050 8GB, It was a nice upgrade for me, I'm still using my same CPU, Ryzen 5 2600. It's good for most games that I play, I'm grateful for the upgrade, and ofc, different countries and currencies exists sooo yea.
Congratulat
But why didn't u choose rx6600 😅
@vZinDix cus nvidia has more support than amd, such as Blender, content creation, etc. Thats why I went for it. Otherwise if it was just all about gaming then I wouldve gone for the rx 6600
@ImNotArian ah ok
why rtx xx50 series
@@ianapriyatna8177 maybe he dosnt have a good budget
one of the mistakes is people not researching much about gpu's then gets scammed with its performance(that's the case in my country)....so i recommended a friend to buy a rx 6600 cause it has great performance and budget wise pretty affordable, but instead he gets a rtx 3050 which sucks and a huge waste of money honestly, his reasoning is it has RTX😭
yes, I also know people who chose 3050, although in this budget 6600 is better
and the 3050 cant even do Raytracing without going to 30 fps :D
@@romaboo6218more like 15fps
RTX can be used only starting with a xx70 card. Otherwise, will make the games crawl.
@@artmanrom lol i use on my 3060 raytracing and get a stable 60 fps
I'm still using a 6700XT from years ago. It runs every game super well. At the time, it was a HUGE upgrade for me.
6700 xt is an excellent video card with sufficient video memory, it will be relevant for another 2-3 years))
If you build a NEW gaming PC priortize mainboard, power supply, CPU, Case, Cooling and RAM.
You can compromise on the price of the GPU, because that's the component that is easy to replace and next gen will always offer a better performance. Replacing the GPU with a better one is much easier if the power supply and CPU haven been choosen with future upgrades in mind.
It's not unusual to replace the GPU 2 - 3 times with a new gen card before having the need to replace the CPU and RAM (and the mainboard). A good high end power supply can even last 10 years or more. Also a good case with filters at the air intakes reduces the aging of components like PSUs and CPU coolers by reducing dust and dirt inside the case.
Regards : If you build a NEW gaming PC priortize mainboard. Go AMD AM5 and you have years to get better CPU with same MB. Get a good PS and you can expand for 5 years both CPU and GPU. Picking a GPU is always a challange as there is so much hype and misinformation floating aroud. Some hate AMD for all the youtube scammers and AMD hype. Others hate NVIDA for insane pricing. Look at what NVIDA just brought to the makret.
Rx 7600 xt vs rtx 4060, wich is better. I like to play 1080p high
I bought rx 6600 and Ryzen 5 5600 best gpu for 1080p gaming can even play 1440p in many games. Best value
yes, good build
Try playing alan wake 2 with max ray tracing
@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 i have optimized settings on my pc. I know how to boost fps etc.
@@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716 i don't care about ray tracing i use Afmf 2 and fsr same time and it can be insane fps boost
i got exactly the same and its awsome
More VRAM isn't always wasted on mid range cards, especially if you want to play older games with graphic mods.
I bought the 4060Ti (January 2024) with "only" 8GB but i can all new Games without problems and with Raytracing in 1080P ... i don't know why so many idiots say "8GB isn't enough"
about the VRAM, It also depends on your usage, if you are playing 1080p, but at the same time you want to stream on YT/Twitch, get more then 8 GB of VRAM + 8 GB won't be enough in ca 3 yrs if the trend continues
There's only one mistake you could make, and that is choosing a GPU in 2024.
you must take in consideration that most nvidia users aren't only buying it for gaming they use nvidia because of its overall usability
Me bought RX580, and still kickass today :> Temporarily since im not really playing heavy games. Can't wait to upgrade more soon though.
About vram: I'm using a 3070, which has 8GB of vram. Can play every game at 60+ fps in 4K medium-high
I have the same gpu and im calling bullshit. You can only do this with dlss and im gonna upgrade next gen since the card is really holding me back atm
@illianias well I don't think this is bullshit since I am playing games at 60fps, idk why our benchmarks differ
I have two 1440p Ultra Wide monitors one for streaming chat and one for gameplay. I think my RTX 3080 12GB MSI Gaming X Trio and I7 10700K is just enough for this setup at least for a few more years
vram can make a huge difference... have a poc 400$ console, ryzen 5 8600G with 32gb ram, uses 10gb for the igpu, with pbo and image generation, i get on max settings constant more than 30fps 1080p... in modern AAA games...
You dont have 10GB of dedicated Vram.
@@romaboo6218 reserved for the igpu... can use more if it needs...
@@romaboo6218 He putted the max amount lol
8700G is faster tho
the biggest mistake i made was when i got lured into 1440p gaming. i was about to make the same mistake when i was shopping for a 4k monitor when my 1440p broke. but then i realized that i don't need the higher resolution when i can just game on 1080p, since I'm not streaming games anyway. do i decided to just get a 1080p LG ultrawide and it was the best decision ever. now i could max out my rtx 3060 and i even play using my old gtx 1050ti. i recently ordered an rx 6600 for my itx build. i think that's good enough since i only play when i have the time to do so and mostly, its just horizon 4 and some GTA V.
Fps per dollar means nothing if it has constant stutters and crashes , nvidia is more optimised than amd
Sorta unrelated but with the 7700xt now being about 350-370USD new, do you think there is any reason to get any version of the 4060ti these days?
If you are considering a video card only for games, the RX 7700 XT will be more powerful and more profitable. And there is no point in taking the RTX 4060 ti.
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@@livegamesii already subbed :) thanks for the opinion
Thank you❤
16gb 4060ti has some niche budget ai use but for gaming it is meh
IMHO the example of an used 1080 / 1080 ti versus a brand new mid range card isn't a common case. That's an option for experienced PC builders that don't shy away from dismanteling graphic card coolers and replace thermal pads or even mount an after market air or water cooler.
The more common choice is to buying a brand new mid range next gen card like a 4070 / 4070 ti or one of the last high end cards of the last gen like a 3080 or 3090. Usually the prices are mostly similiar and the high end cards offer more VRAM, while the new gen has better upscaling and raytracing.
Native Resolution > Dogshi upscale tech
Actually, if you are on GPUs for IA/Machine Learning/LLM, the 16GB is much better than 8GB!
I have some rigs with a couple of old RTX 3070 8GB for LLM, but adding a RTX 4060 Ti 16Gb to one rig makes total difference! Now, with 32Gb of VRAM, I could run medium to large models, like Mistral 8x7b - a nearly GPT 3.5 class model - with decent 15-20 tokens per second.
Wow I am glad I clicked on this video, here I was thinking I already knew plenty about GPUs since past 3 years but I got to learn a couple more things from this video too, not just for GPUs but even for CPUs and architectural improvement!
Very great video, you deserved my sub 👍
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youre really wanting people to get a 8GB VRAM than a 16GB VRAM?
You didn't understand the point of the video, watch it again. you need to take a card that matches its vram capacity in terms of power. for example, there is an rtx 4060 ti which has 16 GB and for this card this is an excessive amount of memory, but the RX 7700 XT for the same money has 12 GB and is more powerful in raster graphics - it is more preferable and balanced.
I saw a RX 580 tested with 8GB vs 16GB.
No res/setting that used more than 8GB ran well - the card isn't powerful enough for any use that uses the extra VRAM.
@ black ops 6 uses around 13 to 14 GB of VRAM on 1440 extreme settings.
@@hrayz The RX 580 was 4 vs 8. Where did you find a 16?
8GB may be enough for 1080p gaming in *most* games today, it will not be enough tomorrow.
That's why I got an rx 6700 xt with 12gb of vram. I don't want to buy another card in 2-4 years from now
@@jamesburke6570 16 GB is the minimum requirement for decent visuals at 1080p.
@@artmanromnow that’s just false lmao
@@artmanrom 12 is the minimum right now
@@artmanrom lmao yeah 48gb is the bare minimum to play in 4k if we listen to you.
Decent advices! I want to add a few things. Advertising can be crazy. Before you bying anything ask yourself : do I really need that? If you play games what kind of games you play and what do they require. Some people might need only a iGPU because they don't play tripple AAA titles, others need more than that. Look at tests for the games you are playing as some games favour more amd and others nvidia. No need to put everyhing on ultra. There are guides for every game how to optimise it and squeez more fps (almost) without loosing quality so even with some budget cards you can enjoy a comfortable experience. Look at your driver options as sometimes they can solve you problems. As some people said: higher fps is good but stable fps is a must.
I have bought AMD graphics cards in the past and every time they have the same problem. The overall image that gets rendered always seems fuzzy to me. No matter what the settings are I can never get a clear sharp image to display. I have never had this problem with Nvidia graphics cards. I believe the answer is obvious and that is the design team at AMD prioritize speed over image quality which is a valid consideration and most users probably will not even notice unless they see a side by side comparison of the graphics rendering between the two manufacturers. I have bought three different AMD cards over the years so it was not a one time thing or even a specific time window that I bought the cards, as the time delta between the first one and the last one was over ten years apart. If you are extremely annoyed by blurry graphics in your games even if it only happens when you turn your head fast, then I wouldn't buy an AMD card. If you have owned an AMD card in the past and didn't notice a fuzzy picture then I would say that your visual acuity is not sensitive to this and AMD cards will suit your needs just fine. If you are in the latter group count your blessings as AMD historically have the best bang for the buck in performance.
What budget cpu should i pair with my gpu 3060ti for better 1080p AAA games performce? I currently have r5 4650g and it feels like its not enough
Try a 7 3700x . Assuming that is a am 4 socket . Gives you 8 cores 16 threads at 4.4 ghz should be plenty for that gpu .
I'd go 5600x
@@dalehammers4425 why ? 3700 is 2 more cores at 13 % better performance viturally for the same price.
@mhaden-k8z 5600x allows SAM. 5600x actually does better in most games as well.
i have a gtx 1060 6gb and i want to upgrade my options are
RTX 3060 12GB
RTX 4060 8GB
I want to stream and generate content. I will most likely buy a prebuild as i cannot build a pc. Which one should I get. I need more fps while having the ability to stream live on YT / Twitch!
16 gb for a 7600 is probably much but 8 gb for a 3070 was too little.
Yes, I agree, the graphics processor itself also needs to be powerful enough to unlock the potential of a large amount of memory.
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@@livegamesii I'd happily listen to anyone's opinion as long as its not AI. Appreciate the effort.
@@BertieJasokie Where do you see AI here?😂
That's where the 6700XT or 6750XT come in with 12gb VRAM & better performance than a 7600(XT).
Both brands made the same mistake in that regard.
How do you like Dragon Age with medium textures?. 12gb is the new minimum for playing games with the intended textures.
The problem is not every AMD cards are available around the world. You are most likely to see a 4060 first before you can find a RX 6600. If you try to buy overseas the shipping will also kill the budget. So that's the sad reality of GPU.
I have a Ryzen 7 5800X3D coupled with a Radeon RX 7900 XTX.
good build👍
Must say - the choice of Video card is made interesting if your gaming rig is also used for Video rendering or running heavy computational workloads that leverage CUDA - there I would say NVidia have a significant edge.
So I bought my last video card 7 years ago - and yes it is a Gigabyte Aorus GTX 1080ti - and boy has this stood the test of time - paired to a Intel 7820X CPU. A few weeks ago I spent a few grand and bought a HP Z640 workstation - dual Xeon E5-2699v3 with 256GB RAM and a NVidia Quadro P4000 card (about equivalent to a 1070). For me this combination is brilliant for what I wish - processing Astroimages and Rendering 2K video - having 36 physical cores and a 1070 card is absolute price performance to the tasks I wish to run. A hint for the unaware - this rig won't be elligible for Win 11 and so you should switch hyperthreading off - else you will have 72 logical processors spread across two NUMA cores - and most software doesn't handle having over 64 logical threads well - the miss binding threads with the correct processor affinity that is a must! So if you ever go over 64 logical cores on a WIn 10 platform - disable hyperthreading!
So it is not all about games. If I use RC-Astro AI script in say PixInsight with 3d GPU enabled jobs that used to take 3 minutes on an 8 core CPU take 17 seconds on a 1080Ti. My 10 year old dual Xeon crushes my 7 year old Intel extreme Workstation that costed twice as much.
Your advice is all reasonable - but the going in position is 3d card are all about gaming. If you add AI, science, CUDA programming, astrophotography or video rendering on Blackmagic Resolve - then NVidia cards that are quite dated can provide amazing uplifts extremely economically!
in ur opinion ,,i have r5 5600g what gpu i should get tnx
My 12 year old appreciates his 3060ti, I love my 6800xt. We're just team gaming.
Im a bit confused about the « usb power transmission » like the usb 3.1 gen 2 thing could you explain it please and how I know if I use it or not? Thanks for the video it gave a good start for what to check for on a replacement for my graphics card.
The hardest choice for me is to decide if I want more VRAM and with it longer life of the GPU + better Linux compatibility or the better RT performance.
13:50 One of the best examples of CPUs in 4k resolution is the comparison of the Ryzen 7 5700X3D and the Ryzen 7 9800X3D. While the CPUs in Full HD are sometimes a good 30% apart, in 4k it is only 5-10%. Both CPUs have no problem to utilize a 4090 at 100% in 4k.
Im currently really wondering because i have a gtx 1060 6gb and i found a rtx 4060 8gb for close to 50% cheaper then if bought new yea its used but i looked at it and its actually in really good condition and im really contemplating on upgrading
Not only the amount of VRam is important but also its connection to the GPU.
The current maximum is 384 bits.
Particularly relevant for large textures.
i came from gtx 570 (sold) / quadro 4000(kept), then rx 570 (kept), then 1070(kept due to EVGA brand), then 3060 12gb(sold) / 3070 super(tried.. didnt work), almost went to 4060(GPUZ says 8x pcie lane) aaaaannddd nope ... straight to 7800xt. In my case.. RT sucks, since the apps is mostly on diablo 4, and some works(CAD..some MXR and SNX) driving 4k60 display. i found that VRAM matters, BY A LOT. This 7800xt probably going to last for quite some time, orange cougar CMX1200w power supply has been more then 8 years. still rocks my rig. we would try to avoid cuda. unless really necessary which most of the time not
switching from 750ti to 980 soon, I was really hesitant to upgrade my gpu because the system is really old and i rather get a new pc, it just died recently so i have no choice but to build a new one
980 was a gift anyway should be fine for games i was playing and now i can actually upgrade it to something newer later on
Is it better to buy a laptop with graphics card Rtx 4060 or shlould I buy a assemble PC..? Plzz suggest.
Which one is better
If you don't need the portability of a laptop then go build a pc instead.
You can build a pc with AM5 procie+rtx 4070 or 7800xt for the same price of a 4060 laptop
Desktop also has the advantage of better cooling as you can install a good AIO or a big ass air cooling fan so the temps is much better which means better performance. It is also easier to buy replacement parts if something goes wrong. You can also upgrade it easily if the time comes or if you want a beefier components.
Well bit rate amount l2 and l3 cache amount of RAM are all important but buying an older last gen video card should absolutely be considered in cost to performance decisions for example I was looking at the rtx 3070 and rtx 4070 and 7800xt and 7900 gre and I discovered with a little research that the rx 6800 non xt was all I needed for my 1440p gaming.
On a side note the intel 7th through 10th gen are all the same architecture with few feature differences, but none that really makes the 14nm+++ series so if you are 7th through 10th your fine.
I like gaming on upscaled 4k in open world games. Vram becomes a very large factor for people like me.
Grab a 1080ti and never look back
I'm choosing the RTX 2070 Super.
It has 8GB of VRAM, which is basically all I need because I'm not a AAA gamer.
In my country used 3090 and 12 gig 4070 are the same price? Which one should i get ?
4070
Worried. Just ordered my son a rtx 4060 with ryden7 8700g. Is this going to suck bad at higher settings?
Just stick to 1080p and you will be fine.
You might be able to get away with some games at 1440p but for the most part you will be at 1080p.
RTX 4060ti 16Gb is actually pretty good option for entering image generating AI field.
It's the only justification to buy this card though..
What about power consumption????
Nvidia wins this one hands down, especially with 4060 and 4070. That's the only reason I'd still buy Nvidia.
The first card i bought for myself was a GTX TITAN X Pascal from 2017. It performs slightly better than the 1080 ti in benchmarks, but also has 12 GB VRAM as well. I bought it for around $160 around June 2023, and it served me very well. I could play Star wars Jedi: Survivor at max settings at 4k on my smart TV, which was only up to 30hz sadly, but some how the card could enable raytracing. The raytracing mainly just added the reflections in some surfaces, and slightly improved the lighting in some scenes, but it was running. Pretty solid card if you get one for a good price, or if you are wanting to build a 2016-2018 era PC.
For this money, a great graphics card!👍
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If you care about ray/path tracing buy Nvidia. If not then AMD is cheaper. Its really that simple.
Yes, that's right. If ray tracing is not needed, then amd offers a better price/performance ratio.
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The funny thing is, Amd is expensive as Nvidia cards. Why you're claiming Nvidia is cheaper, it's a lie 🤥
@@kaidanalenko5222 AMD is cheaper, first person I have seen say different. Never claimed Nvidia is cheaper.
a 4060 is not going to have good raytracing and especially not Pathtracing performance.
I know, for me.. I use a RTX 4060 with 8gb.. and I game on 1440 on my games. and most still run at 60+ FPS.. most of the games.
Always go 1,000 watts for future proof when it comes to power supply.
its not about the brand.. but the driver that mess it up.. amd driver still not ok yet as for my opinion
used 1080ti is
GPU is NVIDIA
CPU is AMD.
Nah, me getting the rtx 3080 was the last time getting an nvidia card. Despite all the PR behind raytracing, it's a performance hog, doesn't add much and decreases frames too much, having to depend on DLSS 2, which makes the visuals bad. So much for a flagship Nvidia card
They already abandoned 30 series cards in terms of features like DLSS 3.
My budget is about $500-600, what video card do you recommend? Used or new?
Take the RX 7900 gre or RTX 4070 super - these are great cards for 1440p
if your pc budget is 500 - 600 you should get a 3070 or 2080 ti and pair it with a ryzen 5600 the gpu is around 200 - 300 used and the cpu is 90 quid but its really good for the price
He literally said for video card @@M1NUKE
Get an RTX 4070S. If you have good PSU/airflow and don't care about anything except gaming, you can save $100 or so and go for Radeon RX 7800XT.
7900 gre
#1 Depends on the application. If you want to render scenes with Iray in DAZ Studio, Nvidia is the ONLY way to go. An AMD card wouldn't work.
Your ai slop tag is misleading. If I buy a GPU it's for ai , AMD can't compete there.
@Live Games IT
you´re simply wrong
8GB vram is not enough anymore buyin an 8GB card even for 1080p is a waste
I didn't tell you to buy it, everyone decides for themselves which video card to take or not.
8gb is dead, unless you like to lower textures to medium for no aparent reason. Gpu can handle it but vram is too low 😂 We got 8gb rx 470 in 2016 and it was way cheaper then current 60 class cards. 8gb in 2024 on $300 is joke
Depends on the price & the game, not every engine is a VRAM hog, believe it or not. 🤷🏻♂️
Honestly ive been rocking a 8gb Vram card for a year now and i cannot complain, its just in a few games where i cant run textures on the highest but i dont see any difference either way
@@livegamesii You literally said that more than 8GB is not needed for 1080p.
It all depends on WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING to do with the card. For AI, you literally need 16gigs for normal usage. 12gigs and you'll be pretty tight.
So no.
Get a red devil 6800xt and you will see performance even it's a bit older
i now daily drive a 7800xt with a 7600x and ive been loving my decision i got a nitro+ OC for 50 euros cheaper than the "normal" 7800xts
I’m still using R7 3700X with second hand RTX 3090 with 4K 144Hz. Hope to not upgrade next 2 years 😅
I do not fully agree with the point 'Don't overpay for the sam card', consider this an opinion based on limited experience of basic user. I lean towards buying better verions of cards (example Sapphire NITRO+) over the regular versions. The reason behind is similar to what you mentioned. You pay extra for better cooling and maybe higher clocks. Which may be good thing. I am not obsessed with quiet builds but when i had RX 580 from MSI it was a terrible experience, the card was so loud that it was disturbing me during gaming and i use big headphones. I cannot hear my Sapphire R9 380x nitro nor Sapphire 7900xt nitro. They are quieter than CPU cooler/Case fans. So i woud say it depends.
The statement should be more specific.
"Because Radeon cards already lead in price to performance, up-selling yourself on better cooling is viable. Nvidia cards at the low to mid range are so stingy on the performance that literally the only decent price to performance picks are the ones stripped of all extras."
😅
I don’t want a card that sometimes outperforms. I want a card that outperforms. If I’m spending hundreds of $, then I’m going with nvidia because I know it will outperform AMD and intel. That’s what you are paying for. So get it right.
but what about nvec , better for video editors , you should say that only for gamers , not for all people
I recently bought my gaming pc I got 5700x and 3060 is it a good pair ? I think it'll be okay for 5-6 yrs right ? For 1080 ?
yes, this is a good build, it will last for 3-4 years for modern games. I think even GTA 6 will run on it at minimum-medium settings
@@livegamesii gta 6 lol i heard 4070 super was going to sweat on 1440 med for it guess we'll see thanks for answering
im still using gtx 750 ti 4gb since im runing the game 24/7 . for electric cost eficient, but now i plan to upgrade but still strugle to chose . any recomend?
Power wise 4060 its a solid choice. 4070 if you have more cash and need better than 1080 gaming.
I plan on getting a 5080 or 5090 to run on a 7600x for 4k
7:24 Bro, i wouldn't be caught dead with a 2 fan card in 2024 unless I was doing an sff build
bro what about those who do video editing, motion graphics(after effects) and 3d work like blender?
rn I am confused between 4060 and 7700xt . or I should wait for march launch of new budget card launch?
some saying their prices going to be higher...so confused
Better wait for the release of new video cards. the old ones will become cheaper and then you will have to look at what to choose
@@livegamesii thanks ! i was so anxious as a buyer recently
thanks ! i will wait
yes, amd "could compete" but with alot more power consumption
why you say get gpus with more vram when your thumbnail ligit says 8gb is better than 16gb, explain.
Me here buying 4060 coz it has low power consumption and not really into triple A.
Yes the consoles use 8 cores but they are zen 2 cores lol. Remember a 6 core 7600 (zen 4) will perform roughly on par with a 5700x3d which is far better than the 3700x equivalent on the consoles
i like to say
so you only want to play games and dont like rt? go with AMD 100%
so you want to do other stuff than gaming and want to use rt as much as possible? go with Nvidia 100%
the ray tracing rule doesnt apply to any gou that's weaker than the 4070 super anything weaker than that just depends if you want to do editing or streaming if you only want to game go with amd if you want to stream and edit most of the time nvidia is better choice but not if youre fighting over like 4060 ti and 7700xt then 7700xt is better for just overall everything
After watching your thumbnail I'm willing to buy 128kb gpu
That's not why I got Nvidia, I got Nvidia because amd didn't have a suitable alternative, with 24GB or memory or more at the same price tag.
As I use mine for work more than gaming.
well the GPU part has many parts wrong. NVIDIA wasn't the first to put ray tracing nor frame generation but was the first company to get game developers to support their hardware for it. They both existed in the 1990s with real time ray tracing just "real time" meant 20 fps back then.
For what GPU is best for you? nViida AMD Intel or Qualcomm? look at reviews for the games you play as none of the 4 are always on top.
For the CPU right now you have AMD and Intel for x86 which most consumer software runs on then quallcomm and Apple for ARM CPUs that you will need a different version of the same software for. Most likely if you are on a windows machine you have x86 and either AMD or Intel. Which you pick doesn't really matter much thugh if you want every frame in a game the AMD X3D chips are better than the Intel chips.
For system RAM most likely the CPU will support DDR5. Make sure it is UDIMM not CUDIMM otherwise nothing really matters. The reason why is CUDIMMs do not work will if at all with UDIMM controlelrs while CUDIMM controllers can work with both UDIMM and CUDIMM RAM.
For the storage drive right now 1TB of M.2 PCIe storage is good and most will not need more than 1TB of local storage. If you do you will know thus why the SATA ports on the motherboard exist for you to add in more internal storage.
For the motehrboard make sure all the above parts are compatable with it then add up the number of USB ports you need add 2 for just in case you need more in the future, make sure it has wired networking most should have at least 10/100/1000 some newer ones with faster networking, and find out the form factor of it.
For the case get one you think looks nice as it is what you will be looking at for the life of the computer. Having at least 2 USB Type-A ports and a power button on the top is always nice. Make sure what the case is supports the motherboard you chose and make sure the GPU you chose fits into the case including the room for the power plugs so a little more depth then you would think.
For the PSU make sure it can power everything above and is the correct size for the case you chose. Looking at the power curve for where the best power draw is is nice but not needed. Get 1 that has 80+ on it doesn't really matter which one it is as long as it is one of them.
One you have all that stuff picked out then start compromising to go down in price to what you can afford. The only part I will say to never compromise on is the power supply as if it blows everything goes with it. You can always upgrade later so having the best at the start most likely will just add on more cost but still be reasonable for what you need.
I wonder if game companies are in fact sales people of gpu manufacturers.
Starcraft was made in 1998 and it is still being played today. Mario is waaay back and still remains a top playing game. In the end, a greqt video game only needs eclxcellent game mechanics + good controls + good storyline. Heck, even the latter is optional!
I just built a budget gaming PC and went with the Radeon RX 6650 XT.
Runs everything at high or extreme values, and I am getting >100fps @1080p on pretty much everything I play, with the lows being >70fps still.
I have not tried Cyberpunk yet, that game seems to be this generation's Crysis. 😂
I think you're good. A good CPU helps, but Cyberpunk 2077 relies more on the GPU for graphics. Just turn off ray tracing and you'll be set. Using Radeon Boost with XeSS (Intel's upscaling tech) will also help improve performance without sacrificing much quality.
@jeke8413 it likely wont come up. I already have it and the DLC for PS5 lol
I was having a longing for CounterStrike and the RTS games I have been missing for years.
I just bought an GTX 1080 since all ill be doing is playing indie games and others that don't require alot of power like league of legends i think ill keep it until its becomes non supported
A 1080 is overkill for indie games.
@evaone4286 nah the i5 13600k imma buy is gonna be over kill but the black friday deal makes it so cheap cant pass it up
you should say gpu for gaming because gpu purchase will depend on your usage
The thing is sometimes there can be a problem when using dlss and ray tracing at the same time, so yes if you don’t care about ray tracing go for AMD
If you had a choice of getting an 8GB or 16GB GPU, why the deuce would you take less VRAM?....Especially if you want to game with all the eye candy dialled up?......Lol.....this video doesn't make sense.
for point 1 maybe you can add non gaming app. mean application like davinci can render video with nvidia gpu or blender use cuda core in nvidia. latest like you said is AI engineering optimal with nvidia card. but if the main focus is just gaming then ignore my comments ..... 😁
yep, you're right. nvidia is more suitable for such tasks
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Yeah, this is one of the long list of reasons people should go Nvidia unless they're sure AMD will be fine for their use case.
Recording in 4K while playing in 4K and streaming all at same time , and video rendering nvidia destroys it , u only compare gaming
My card is weaker that my friends but he was unable to play monster hunter wilds and another game because of the vram bottleneck. My card has 16gb of vram and hit close to maxing that out while playing wilds but was able to play the beta with no problem. My friends more powerful card was not because it crashed due to the vram bottleneck strained his cpu so kept crashing
VRAM is also used for AI stuff. So, 8gb isn't that great. XD 12gb minimal for AI generated images.
"8 gb suitable for 1080p gaming"
Me forcing my 2080 super to play games at 1440p
Nice video
Got a 7900xtx
And it’s been very great
l don’t use RT that much but for rasterised gaming it has been very good
l had an rx6750xt so it was a big jump.
This is my 5th pc build 😂
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My RX 7900XTX runs many RT games well (at med rt settings). Keeps up with one gen older NV cards.
Take your time to find the best gpu for the budget you can afford. Don't get scared of the used market. Take your time, research by specs and performance/price ratio. If you can "only" afford that really cheap 1660ti with 6gb ddr6 you'll be able to play on it. I did and can't complain.