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As the owner of my original Hasbro Cybertron prime from 05, everything is still solid as a fuckin rock. Including the wheel springs. He was my favorite prime and actually only prime until I got the og Armada who's arm I shattered (gps). And then when I bought LE Armada prime, Cybertron prime was finally dethroned.
Rid '01 Prime feels like a triumph while Cybertron Prime feels like victory lap. One, the payoff of going all out on a new design approach transitioning from the Beast Era, the other, a proud display of the perfected unicron trilogy engineering.
We can't forget that the megatron figures that came out with these 2 were absolute bangers too. Complete props on the designers for making amazing leader figures for each series.
For me Optimus Prime will always be…optimus prime. Yeah idc what alt mode he takes Ive lived through every major change of his design throughout my life so to me all his alts modes are equally valid
I do like a fire truck Prime. It makes sense to me for him to have a form that represents protection and safety. Something the humans will see and know he's someone trustworthy. Which, is also why I think Sentinel Prime being a fire truck in Dark of the Moon was a superb choice. You trusted that fire truck? Whoooops!
This was one of the things I LOVED from transformers animated. They took it even further and had all of the autobots specifically taking the alt modes of first responder vehicles.
43:47 100% is a reference to Lio Convoy. Since Fire Convoy does exist in the G1 timeline, he is outfitted with an Energon Matrix like Lio Convoy. One of my favorite details on the toy. Love when transformers has consistent technology. So cool.
One giant issue with Cybertron Optimus is that the springs in his hip ratchets are so strong that _they actually break the plastic wells around them and cause the ratchets to fail completely._ At least, that's what I've been told, but mine are just gone. It is fortunate that his center of weight in combined mode is so good because he can still stand upright despite of that, getting him to stay that way is just a bit trickier proposal.
You know, considering how liberal HasTak has been with “you exist?” characters over the two years, Yellow Splendid Convoy might have a greater chance at being released than we might think.
this is also why I'm against rid2001 Prime being done as a Haslab for one, I'm not sure how you'd justify it as a haslab over a Commander and for two, if its a haslab, the odds of a Yellow Splendid Convoy redeco become less likely
The Takara version is in my possession as well and it’s my biggest accomplishment in terms of collecting. Just because I was able to grab it boxed from shear luck. And Toy Guy and I were talking, I’m almost 100% certain TF&RO ripped off the force chip. It’s exactly the same. Also another fun fact, the Japanese detail changes make it way more accurate.
@@DrLockdown par for the course ofc. In my video I stressed that unless you’re huge abo it the pinned in wings, I’d just get whatever you can get just to experience the fun of the figure.
I feel that the super mode slightly goes to Cybertron. In this case, it seems like a "less is more" situation, and a beauty in simplicity. It takes an already beefy boy, and makes him a tall, imposing, born to be a leader, massive bad ass WITH WINGS, and the backpack adds more depth to the back so it isn't just flat. In my own opinion, I think that super modes that look TOO different from their base form feels like an entirely different transformer, rather than powered up. In RID's case, if I was completely unaware of RID, and I saw base robot mode standing next to super mode, I would have no idea that they are the same transformer. Cybertron on the other hand, you can immediately tell they are the same one, but is powered up and means business. The fact I can tell it's the same figure with an extremely similar robot mode, feels like I actually powered the guy up rather than turning him into something else. Cybertron Prime when in supermode actually FEELS like a Prime in all it's stature. The other while looking great, feels like a red combiner with almost no similarities to both it's own Optimus robot mode, or Optimus in general, other than head design, which we've seen many other transformers have a similar heads. Trying newer concepts and outside the box things is cool, but it doesn't always necessarily mean it worked out perfectly or executes it better than something that follows a tried and true method. This is at least why I think Cybertron edges out in Supermode, at least.
Funny how I didn't get to around to watching this until now, just after they confirmed that Haslab. I never did get to own either of these growing up. RID2001, my mom had them both on layaway and lost them. She bought me the small spychanger versions as a way of saying "sorry." Cybertron Prime, I had to drop out of the collecting game due to my mom and I falling on hard times. That said, looking over the RID Prime and how amazing the original toy was, I am beyond stoked to back the Haslab. Almost as if I'm getting another chance to get both him and Magnus after so many years and after coming so close to almost having them. From the presentation video, it seems as though they've take whatever nitpicks and flaws the original had and did what they could to improve while adding the modern atriculation and engineering. All while making it like a love letter to those who loved and cherished those originals from over 20 years ago.
One thing i like to keep in mind is the distinction between Action Figures that are car robots, and Toys that are car robots. CHUG are Action Figures that are car robots. Things like Power Rangers, UT transformers, etc are Toys that are car robots. It's a bit of a vague categorization, probably between the focus on articulation or solidity/gimmicks. Both are valid, both are great, but i see it as something interesting to think about. Also as someone who owns both, they're both the goats.
As someone who owned both as a child, there's only one winner for super mode - Cybertron. The RiD figure was just a frustrating mess to play with in super mode and would just come apart at the torso/shoulder constantly in play, whilst Cybertron was a solid unit and held together superbly. Also, not sure if I missed you mentioning a couple of extra play features for the two. RiD's ladder can extend to an absurb length and Cybertron's trailer parts can be used to make a weapons platform.
I loved RID Prime for how unique he was for his time and I actually got into Transfomers around the Cybertron series even knowing that a childhood friend owned that version of prime back in the day. Without a doubt Prime as a Fire Engine really is a wonderful concept.
I came in rooting for rid optimus as the underdog of the versus, expecting cybertron optimus to win. I guess as they say, always bet on red. Fantastic video by the way and yeah both are amazing.
Two of my teen favourites. I really like the fire truck aesthetic on Prime. It was cool to see it return in Animated... which was like 15 years ago now 👀
53:55 They ask you how you are, and you just have to say that you're fine, when you're not really fine, but you just can't get into it because they would never understand.
My understanding is that the chair attached the ladder of RiD Prime is compatible with Diaclone pilots as a throwback to the original Car Robots that predated Transformers.
On the note of RiD (2001) I was on the TFW2005 thread for Legacy United Magmatron earlier and one of the commenters brought up Gigatron getting a new mold as well as the size difference between him and Omega Prime (2001 Optimus and Magnus' combined form) was quite noticable as Gigatron only came up to Omega Prime's waist and it got me to wonder if a more modern itneration fo the figures would have the same size differences
This is one of those reviews where I have both figures, grew up with both figures, and absolutely LOVE both figures and yeah I admit I have rose tinted glasses. Personally I think both are perfect.
You know what? You’re making me want an “RID 2000 Universe” Optimus Prime figure in whatever toyline follows United. I’d love a Cybertron Optimus update (GUOP is nice but I’d love a full redo severed from Siege Magnus’s nonsense), but old Fire Convoy needs one more on the grand scheme of things. Also, if you want to know what I’d do to make Optimus fresh again- make him a Unimog (slap some storage containers on his back that contain his Ion Cannon and Energon axe), give him the Powermaster transformation, and give him the Machine Wars chest (so he doesn’t have a faux chest).
AGREED. Machine Wars in general is overdue for an update (we’ve already got Hubcap and Hoist’s head and Starscream’s body ready thanks to Buzzworthy Tow-Line and Evolution Skyquake/Dreadwing)
It's a tough pick for me for which one I think is better. RID was my first Transformers show after the Beast era and so he was the first Optimus Prime I ever saw in action but then there's Cybertron Prime with, "oUr wORlds ARe iN daNGeR!!" with the banger theme and his super mode. Both are great figures that I've love to own.
Love them both, greatest Optimus prime toys ever in looks and playability, wish my cybertron one had its gun to really feel evened out. Cybertron prime and the whole show he came from really formed almost everything about my taste in things that I endlessly enjoy and continue to enjoy over the years and every bit of praise for it gives me great joy Something interesting is that the cybertron trailer was used only twice in the show as a weapon. A BFG to attack Starscream and Thundercracker, prime didn’t even use it against thundercracker as scattershot got the honor so that’s neat Edit:oh yeah and going back to the Brave series really enhances the enjoyment of 2000’s transformers seeing where so many concepts came from whether it be design or story
I grew up with the Cybertron cartoon but didn't get the Optimus toy until my friend James bought it for me at TFNation 2019. Still haven't got Fire Convoy, but fingers crossed for the future.
Hope you're well! Went back home on a holiday where the one you got me has been resting for the past 10 months. Did not know how much I missed the big lug! Might have someone bring it over so I can futz with it again. Peak presence and play value.
Dude you need an RiD Magnus. Seeing RiD Prime and Magnus in their truck modes next to each other for the first time is one of the most impactful moments of this hobby for me. Words don't do it justice
I've seen it multiple times with multiple copies in person at Michael's house. Perhaps if I find one on the cheap. Stability is my biggest issue with it.
I got the Galaxy Prime from siege, and he's delightful. A few parts of the transformation are a pain, but the look is fun and makes me wanna swoosh him and shout "GALAXY CONVOY, TRAAAANSFOOORM!" It's doing something right. 😁 I'm glad the original is just as cool
I had gotten an incomplete version of galaxy prime from a friend when I was seven. It was my favorite Optimus prime but i lost one the the foot things and the windows broke off from year on play. Late later I found a fully complete one for 40 usd. Absolute highway robbery
The only thing RID 2001 Prime has going, at least for me personally, is the kickass super mode and the flip out cannons on the firetruck mode. Though, I never really cared much for said firetruck mode or the wonky looking core robot. As for Cybertron Prime, he has everything going for him, from the awesome proportions to the visually interesting gribled and angular fire truck mode, not to mention the flight mode and the cyber key functionality. He is straight up the definition of "toyetic" with a chunky conversion that has you making little boom and whoosh noises as you peg various parts into place. So if given the option, I would absolutely go for Cybertron Prime.
Something Armada and Beast Wars ingrained into me for an ideal Optimus Prime design is that he'd be the burliest of the Autobots, but shorter than the average Decepticon until he went into his super mode. Cybertron's proportions help lend themselves to that in my mind since, on a shelf, the larger head means he looks smaller than he is, and thus the super mode makes him look like he gains more mass than he does. It tricks your brain into seeing a mass shift that isn't there even in the actual show.
I didn’t know a thing about RID back when I had the original toy as a kid. I always thought Primes matrix in his super mode was a little chest gun due to the molded scope detail on the panel covering it. Also, it weird that the Matrix is in his super mode and not him.
Honestly, I don't think it's needed. All it does is "fix" the proportions on the legs, but the legs on GUOP aren't bad, as he's more putting on boots and a backpack. It's not like Magnus, who benefits immensely from the longer thighs.
Amusingly, in the US version of Cybertron's toyline, Hasbro re-issued both the RiD 2001 Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus as a 2-pack, putting these molds in the same line as Cybertron Prime Those versions might be a bit more accessible than the original 2001 release in some areas
I would love a new RID Prime, and they'll definitely do one, but it's Optimus and will always be a retail item and not a haslab, as per Hasbro’s own words. The example I always point to is Legacy Lio Prime, which the original toy wasn't even originally released in the United States unlike RID Prime.
Don't worry about the springed wheels, for Cybertron prime, they last fine over the years, I would know I've had mine since I was born, in 2005(I lost Cybertron prime two or three years ago in the fire that burned my apartment back in 2021.)
Funny enough I used the 10% off to get a 2001 Fire Convoy for my self. Although it ended up coming without his pistol. Finally getting a Magnus for Omega Prime.
Then there’s the backwards compatibility for Cybertron Optimus with Armada/Energon Tidal Wave due to the combination ports for Savage Claw Mode are the same ones used to attach Tidal Wave’s arms. So does Cybertron Optimus now have a Nautical Wave Mode now?
47:00 Isn't the issue with RiD2000 Prime that they literally can't use the design for new toys thanks to the show basically being partially owned by Disney? This was given as the explanation behind the rather more weird choices for reps of the series in legacy, the originall designs are off limits due to this problem.
Nope. Hasbro owns the designs, just not the dub specifically for the original show. The reason scourge looked so weird is because there was a miscommunication with the deco designer. It's on the wiki. He thought he was supposed to make a nemesis prime instead.
My old Cybertron Optimus Prime hasn't aged super well. Missing pieces and the ratchets in the hips are long gone. Again, this is why I'm thankful for Siege Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime.
I guess the first wave of RID prime were actually takara versions and not Hasbro's take because I remember getting him the day the line launched as a per teen at Walmarts and the first time I used the missile launcher gimmick on the ladder all of them went shooting out across my room and I lost a missile lmao
@@DrLockdown it makes it so that if he stands up straight the legs don't touch or look like they are one piece, but you are right, i go back and forth on this one on what looks better.
Denser plastic, extra paint, chrome work, extra accessories. Hasbro has fully acknowledged he was conceived as a commander, but they realised they could make it infinitely better with a haslab budget. The chair I think is stupid, but everything else is nice.
i appreciate i'm late to the party with this vid.. but i thought the underarm configuration for Cybertron Prime's supermode was a now made official "fan mode" due to the TV show portraying them that way... yet the toy instructions had them as over the shoulder wielding? Wouldnt that explain the lack of "handles"? I mean, under is how i display mine.. due to the show.. but it wasnt how the toy was designed, right? Nice thorough comprehensive comparison video regardless chap! cheers!
Just found the RID prime a few days ago, got him in a pair with RID ultra Magnus pretty sure I got a good deal was really worth it, still need to get the cybertron /galaxy prime
@@DrLockdown Bruh the most recent item I’ve been offered for reviewing purposes by a company is a leaf blower. I review toys, talk about cartoons, and put abusers on blast. I don’t know why they saw my channel and said “leaf blower”.
@@DrLockdown That’s the WORST. At least in the one I got, I’ll be getting a leaf blower since the wife has been wanting one. I’m going to review it like a toy LOL
Maybe the reason why Cybertron Optimus' mouth looks so odd is because it's a homage to Optimus Primal. Since he had a pretty similar mouth design, which also featured a retractable face plate (even though he almost never used it in the show.)
I just got RID 2001 Optimus Prime for Christmas along with Ultra Magnus, they're even better than I thought they would be and wish I had picked them up years ago. Got both from different sellers on ebay but they really are immaculate chrome is still perfect all the electronics still work the alt modes are so rock solid I'm not even sure they've ever been transformed before I got them and so complete they had instructions and little leaflet things all that's missing is the little wheel gun bit which I can live without. Optimus even had batteries still inside expiring in March 2002 still worked fine and miraculously hadn't alkalined everywhere Want to try and find Cybertron/Galaxy Force one too.
Im not sure how common it is, but my galaxy force redeco has serious durability issues, with the handle for the "head elevator" missing entirely and basically every single rachet being broken or so loose that he can barely stand without the wingsaber heel bits. Despite all this, though, the wheel suspension is still holding up great. One of these days I'll grab another copy (beyond the one I got in even worse shape with the trailer) and rip my original's arm off so he can do both savage claw and sonic wing mode simultaneously l.
Unfortunately, as it is, the figure I'm talking about doing that to is already hopelessly worn down in all his ratchets (while oddly enough all the areas you were concerned about are fine) and at one point, the figure got knocked out a window from the third story of my college dorm. (it already had the wear so it wasn't caused by the fall)@@DrLockdown
Potentially. I have wing Saber, but I'd probably want to get jetfire and Leo breaker first before than side of things. As for ultra Magnus, that'll happen as soon as I eventually get one.
Personally, I like Earthspark Prime's Volvo-esque truck mode. it's still very visibly Optimus, but the vehicle mode is something you'd be more likely to see these days. anyways, relevant to the video, I personally believe both of these designs are due to a modern reimagining, and not a Limited-Release Store-Exclusive Retool like Galaxy Upgrade. I mean Proper Leader/Commander class releases like what Armada Prime got, where the Original toy was given a modern lift to really bring it back to life. Fire Convoy (RID Prime) *definitely* needs it a LOT more than Galaxy Convoy (Cybertron Prime), but both would be highly appreciated.
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As the owner of my original Hasbro Cybertron prime from 05, everything is still solid as a fuckin rock. Including the wheel springs. He was my favorite prime and actually only prime until I got the og Armada who's arm I shattered (gps). And then when I bought LE Armada prime, Cybertron prime was finally dethroned.
Rid '01 Prime feels like a triumph while Cybertron Prime feels like victory lap. One, the payoff of going all out on a new design approach transitioning from the Beast Era, the other, a proud display of the perfected unicron trilogy engineering.
That... actually describes them really poetically...
We can't forget that the megatron figures that came out with these 2 were absolute bangers too. Complete props on the designers for making amazing leader figures for each series.
For me Optimus Prime will always be…optimus prime. Yeah idc what alt mode he takes Ive lived through every major change of his design throughout my life so to me all his alts modes are equally valid
As I believe the TFWiki said Hasbro agrees that “Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime” regardless of continuity
What are your thoughts on dragon train optimus from Japan
@@killerwolff3048 I don’t see how its any different to rescue bots trex optimus prime. Optimus prime is optimus prime
@@Vavalry fair enough
I do like a fire truck Prime. It makes sense to me for him to have a form that represents protection and safety. Something the humans will see and know he's someone trustworthy. Which, is also why I think Sentinel Prime being a fire truck in Dark of the Moon was a superb choice. You trusted that fire truck? Whoooops!
Also a pattern of being pretty well liked Optimus primes are fire trucks… or that’s just my bias I like every Optimus that was a firetruck
Also gives the trailer something to do rather than just being a hollow box of plastic
This was one of the things I LOVED from transformers animated. They took it even further and had all of the autobots specifically taking the alt modes of first responder vehicles.
Ironic, I got both of these toys for Christmas in 2005. I couldn't decide which one I liked more, I loved them both equally.
You were one lucky kid, hope you took care of em well
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer Oh I did, I still have them to this day and they both still have most of their parts in tact.
Living the dream
43:47 100% is a reference to Lio Convoy. Since Fire Convoy does exist in the G1 timeline, he is outfitted with an Energon Matrix like Lio Convoy. One of my favorite details on the toy. Love when transformers has consistent technology. So cool.
Yeah, tyleen thought so too, hence the annotation
One giant issue with Cybertron Optimus is that the springs in his hip ratchets are so strong that _they actually break the plastic wells around them and cause the ratchets to fail completely._ At least, that's what I've been told, but mine are just gone. It is fortunate that his center of weight in combined mode is so good because he can still stand upright despite of that, getting him to stay that way is just a bit trickier proposal.
If they do remake the RID01 for Generations, i really hope they do a yellow one because i can't stop seeing Yellow Convoy in him
You know, considering how liberal HasTak has been with “you exist?” characters over the two years, Yellow Splendid Convoy might have a greater chance at being released than we might think.
I kinda wanna get splendid yellow convoy after doing this video.
God damnit, research making me wanna buy toys.
@@DrLockdownDAMN YOU, TOYS!!!!!
@@DrLockdown Same
this is also why I'm against rid2001 Prime being done as a Haslab
for one, I'm not sure how you'd justify it as a haslab over a Commander
and for two, if its a haslab, the odds of a Yellow Splendid Convoy redeco become less likely
The Takara version is in my possession as well and it’s my biggest accomplishment in terms of collecting. Just because I was able to grab it boxed from shear luck. And Toy Guy and I were talking, I’m almost 100% certain TF&RO ripped off the force chip. It’s exactly the same. Also another fun fact, the Japanese detail changes make it way more accurate.
Well yeah, primarily because the anime based their model on the galaxy force version.
The toys came first, not the anime.
@@DrLockdown par for the course ofc. In my video I stressed that unless you’re huge abo it the pinned in wings, I’d just get whatever you can get just to experience the fun of the figure.
I feel that the super mode slightly goes to Cybertron. In this case, it seems like a "less is more" situation, and a beauty in simplicity. It takes an already beefy boy, and makes him a tall, imposing, born to be a leader, massive bad ass WITH WINGS, and the backpack adds more depth to the back so it isn't just flat. In my own opinion, I think that super modes that look TOO different from their base form feels like an entirely different transformer, rather than powered up. In RID's case, if I was completely unaware of RID, and I saw base robot mode standing next to super mode, I would have no idea that they are the same transformer. Cybertron on the other hand, you can immediately tell they are the same one, but is powered up and means business. The fact I can tell it's the same figure with an extremely similar robot mode, feels like I actually powered the guy up rather than turning him into something else.
Cybertron Prime when in supermode actually FEELS like a Prime in all it's stature. The other while looking great, feels like a red combiner with almost no similarities to both it's own Optimus robot mode, or Optimus in general, other than head design, which we've seen many other transformers have a similar heads. Trying newer concepts and outside the box things is cool, but it doesn't always necessarily mean it worked out perfectly or executes it better than something that follows a tried and true method.
This is at least why I think Cybertron edges out in Supermode, at least.
53:31 This aged like fine wine but 53:56 this aged like milk lmao
Funny how I didn't get to around to watching this until now, just after they confirmed that Haslab. I never did get to own either of these growing up. RID2001, my mom had them both on layaway and lost them. She bought me the small spychanger versions as a way of saying "sorry." Cybertron Prime, I had to drop out of the collecting game due to my mom and I falling on hard times.
That said, looking over the RID Prime and how amazing the original toy was, I am beyond stoked to back the Haslab. Almost as if I'm getting another chance to get both him and Magnus after so many years and after coming so close to almost having them. From the presentation video, it seems as though they've take whatever nitpicks and flaws the original had and did what they could to improve while adding the modern atriculation and engineering. All while making it like a love letter to those who loved and cherished those originals from over 20 years ago.
One thing i like to keep in mind is the distinction between Action Figures that are car robots, and Toys that are car robots. CHUG are Action Figures that are car robots. Things like Power Rangers, UT transformers, etc are Toys that are car robots. It's a bit of a vague categorization, probably between the focus on articulation or solidity/gimmicks. Both are valid, both are great, but i see it as something interesting to think about.
Also as someone who owns both, they're both the goats.
As someone who owned both as a child, there's only one winner for super mode - Cybertron.
The RiD figure was just a frustrating mess to play with in super mode and would just come apart at the torso/shoulder constantly in play, whilst Cybertron was a solid unit and held together superbly.
Also, not sure if I missed you mentioning a couple of extra play features for the two. RiD's ladder can extend to an absurb length and Cybertron's trailer parts can be used to make a weapons platform.
Turns out the seat on the side of rid optimus prime's ladder can fit a diaclone microman.
Happy 150th Review Doc. Good to see you get a mention in the latest Thew video as well.
I loved RID Prime for how unique he was for his time and I actually got into Transfomers around the Cybertron series even knowing that a childhood friend owned that version of prime back in the day. Without a doubt Prime as a Fire Engine really is a wonderful concept.
1:00 it non official but inspired 2020s Mack anthem
After seeing the newest Haslab reveal Im really surprised how well that RID Optimus holds up (visually at least)
I came in rooting for rid optimus as the underdog of the versus, expecting cybertron optimus to win. I guess as they say, always bet on red.
Fantastic video by the way and yeah both are amazing.
Cybertron prime actually used the flight mode ALOT in the show.
He predicted the next haslab
Two of my teen favourites. I really like the fire truck aesthetic on Prime. It was cool to see it return in Animated... which was like 15 years ago now 👀
53:55 They ask you how you are, and you just have to say that you're fine, when you're not really fine, but you just can't get into it because they would never understand.
Tried putting that clip in, but it made the audio too cluttered
I am extremely happy with this conclusion, great video as always!!
My understanding is that the chair attached the ladder of RiD Prime is compatible with Diaclone pilots as a throwback to the original Car Robots that predated Transformers.
On the note of RiD (2001) I was on the TFW2005 thread for Legacy United Magmatron earlier and one of the commenters brought up Gigatron getting a new mold as well as the size difference between him and Omega Prime (2001 Optimus and Magnus' combined form) was quite noticable as Gigatron only came up to Omega Prime's waist and it got me to wonder if a more modern itneration fo the figures would have the same size differences
Notice the lack of Energon Optimus
>exceedingly glorified megazord(derogatory)
To put Cybertron Optimus Prime into perspective, he's basically GaoGaiGar and Leobreaker is his Goldymarg.
14:43 TJ JUMPSCARE
This is one of those reviews where I have both figures, grew up with both figures, and absolutely LOVE both figures and yeah I admit I have rose tinted glasses. Personally I think both are perfect.
12:44 I LOVE THAT RAILGUN/MIKOTO REFERENCE!!!
And the winner is: Legacy Armada Optimus Prime!
Dang dude. This video is underated
You know what? You’re making me want an “RID 2000 Universe” Optimus Prime figure in whatever toyline follows United. I’d love a Cybertron Optimus update (GUOP is nice but I’d love a full redo severed from Siege Magnus’s nonsense), but old Fire Convoy needs one more on the grand scheme of things.
Also, if you want to know what I’d do to make Optimus fresh again- make him a Unimog (slap some storage containers on his back that contain his Ion Cannon and Energon axe), give him the Powermaster transformation, and give him the Machine Wars chest (so he doesn’t have a faux chest).
I think machine wars Optimus and thunderclash are massively overdue
AGREED. Machine Wars in general is overdue for an update (we’ve already got Hubcap and Hoist’s head and Starscream’s body ready thanks to Buzzworthy Tow-Line and Evolution Skyquake/Dreadwing)
That Optimus Prime from Cybertron was the first transformer figure I ever had.
Man.. the nostalgic is very real when I look at it.
It's a tough pick for me for which one I think is better. RID was my first Transformers show after the Beast era and so he was the first Optimus Prime I ever saw in action but then there's Cybertron Prime with,
"oUr wORlds ARe iN daNGeR!!" with the banger theme and his super mode. Both are great figures that I've love to own.
I just hope the haslab Fire Convoy fixes a lot of the issues
Love them both, greatest Optimus prime toys ever in looks and playability, wish my cybertron one had its gun to really feel evened out.
Cybertron prime and the whole show he came from really formed almost everything about my taste in things that I endlessly enjoy and continue to enjoy over the years and every bit of praise for it gives me great joy
Something interesting is that the cybertron trailer was used only twice in the show as a weapon. A BFG to attack Starscream and Thundercracker, prime didn’t even use it against thundercracker as scattershot got the honor so that’s neat
Edit:oh yeah and going back to the Brave series really enhances the enjoyment of 2000’s transformers seeing where so many concepts came from whether it be design or story
I grew up with the Cybertron cartoon but didn't get the Optimus toy until my friend James bought it for me at TFNation 2019. Still haven't got Fire Convoy, but fingers crossed for the future.
Hope you're well! Went back home on a holiday where the one you got me has been resting for the past 10 months. Did not know how much I missed the big lug! Might have someone bring it over so I can futz with it again. Peak presence and play value.
@@6Cthebest good to hear from you again, James! Thanks for continuing to support my channel.
Dude you need an RiD Magnus. Seeing RiD Prime and Magnus in their truck modes next to each other for the first time is one of the most impactful moments of this hobby for me. Words don't do it justice
I've seen it multiple times with multiple copies in person at Michael's house. Perhaps if I find one on the cheap. Stability is my biggest issue with it.
@@DrLockdown yeah Magnus' robot mode is a bit unstable but vehicle and combined mode are too crazy
Michael has the combined mode resting on the back of his shelf because it can't stand.
@@DrLockdown dang mine is fine but i also have the Car Robots version
He's got both.
Bad luck I guess
I did not expect to see Cyberverse Battle Class Starscream and Ratchet in this video. Tiny ratchet is so adorable lol
Dad's back
You thought I wouldn’t recognize the Astral Chain HQ music in the background. But I did notice. I. Did. Notice.
What’s the toy name of the little scourge at 8:14
Spychanger
To me, Optimus primeas a truck is everything.
It feels like a leader
I got the Galaxy Prime from siege, and he's delightful. A few parts of the transformation are a pain, but the look is fun and makes me wanna swoosh him and shout "GALAXY CONVOY, TRAAAANSFOOORM!"
It's doing something right. 😁 I'm glad the original is just as cool
Hey doc, got a question for ya! What exactly did Macross do to the idols culture?
One of the first examples of idol anime. After that, idols became popular, eclipsing mecha.
another epic video! Bravo! I love these
I had gotten an incomplete version of galaxy prime from a friend when I was seven. It was my favorite Optimus prime but i lost one the the foot things and the windows broke off from year on play. Late later I found a fully complete one for 40 usd. Absolute highway robbery
@9:29 what is the A-10 looking figure next to prime?
Cybertron wing Saber
The only thing RID 2001 Prime has going, at least for me personally, is the kickass super mode and the flip out cannons on the firetruck mode. Though, I never really cared much for said firetruck mode or the wonky looking core robot.
As for Cybertron Prime, he has everything going for him, from the awesome proportions to the visually interesting gribled and angular fire truck mode, not to mention the flight mode and the cyber key functionality. He is straight up the definition of "toyetic" with a chunky conversion that has you making little boom and whoosh noises as you peg various parts into place.
So if given the option, I would absolutely go for Cybertron Prime.
I have a confession to make I bought the encore a omega prime It’s still on my shelf and it’s holding together so far bit wibbly in the waist though
14:45 plastic addict reference
Do you think 2001 Optimus Prime will ever get a modern take?
I damn well hope so
Something Armada and Beast Wars ingrained into me for an ideal Optimus Prime design is that he'd be the burliest of the Autobots, but shorter than the average Decepticon until he went into his super mode. Cybertron's proportions help lend themselves to that in my mind since, on a shelf, the larger head means he looks smaller than he is, and thus the super mode makes him look like he gains more mass than he does. It tricks your brain into seeing a mass shift that isn't there even in the actual show.
Lol at Todd Howard, I got the reference.
I do have the RID Optimus Prime and just bought Cybertron Galaxy Force Prime it's arriving tomorrow.
I didn’t know a thing about RID back when I had the original toy as a kid.
I always thought Primes matrix in his super mode was a little chest gun due to the molded scope detail on the panel covering it.
Also, it weird that the Matrix is in his super mode and not him.
Fantastic vid as always, Doc. It just kinda hurts that I don't own either of these!
Know the feeling. Never was that happy with the red and black one.
23:49 my childhood favourite transformers
Great VS video. I absolutely adore my 2001 RID Prime. All the modes are absolutely beautiful imo.
Honestly the “am I a joke to you” bit wasn’t too far off from what Big Convoy probably would sound like in English
28:46 jokes on you im INTO FLAT GIR- I MEAN ROBOTS!!!
I wish the DNA kit for the Seige GU prime was still being sold, i really underrated that guy
Honestly, I don't think it's needed. All it does is "fix" the proportions on the legs, but the legs on GUOP aren't bad, as he's more putting on boots and a backpack.
It's not like Magnus, who benefits immensely from the longer thighs.
@@DrLockdown yeah, but I always found the mode proportions really clunky, and i'm definitely a fan of the anime super robot legs of the original one.
Oh plus, it gives him a much deeper knee bend and helps out the vehicle mode's front by moving the wheels. Plus, gap fillers!
Amusingly, in the US version of Cybertron's toyline, Hasbro re-issued both the RiD 2001 Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus as a 2-pack, putting these molds in the same line as Cybertron Prime
Those versions might be a bit more accessible than the original 2001 release in some areas
Possibly.
And likely better built than the encore version.
I would love a new RID Prime, and they'll definitely do one, but it's Optimus and will always be a retail item and not a haslab, as per Hasbro’s own words. The example I always point to is Legacy Lio Prime, which the original toy wasn't even originally released in the United States unlike RID Prime.
Don't worry about the springed wheels, for Cybertron prime, they last fine over the years, I would know I've had mine since I was born, in 2005(I lost Cybertron prime two or three years ago in the fire that burned my apartment back in 2021.)
If you *slightly* pull up the torso, RID01 can have a bit of an ab crunch
Also idk if it was mentioned in the review but you can peg the pistol into the right of the smaller robot's backpack for some fairly decent storage.
Funny enough I used the 10% off to get a 2001 Fire Convoy for my self. Although it ended up coming without his pistol. Finally getting a Magnus for Omega Prime.
yo new video loved the 4 hour video on all wfc figures it was really good
These Primes are so cool! I’d love to see a Haslab remaster of either of them.
Then there’s the backwards compatibility for Cybertron Optimus with Armada/Energon Tidal Wave due to the combination ports for Savage Claw Mode are the same ones used to attach Tidal Wave’s arms. So does Cybertron Optimus now have a Nautical Wave Mode now?
I initially planned on mentioning such, but I couldn't find photos of it online, so I assumed I was mistaken
@@DrLockdown, found an image of Tidal Wave combined with a red and Blue Leobreaker, though.
47:00 Isn't the issue with RiD2000 Prime that they literally can't use the design for new toys thanks to the show basically being partially owned by Disney?
This was given as the explanation behind the rather more weird choices for reps of the series in legacy, the originall designs are off limits due to this problem.
Nope.
Hasbro owns the designs, just not the dub specifically for the original show.
The reason scourge looked so weird is because there was a miscommunication with the deco designer. It's on the wiki. He thought he was supposed to make a nemesis prime instead.
If fire convoy gets the commander treatment it'll be my second childhood dream toy (first being legacy armada prime)
My old Cybertron Optimus Prime hasn't aged super well. Missing pieces and the ratchets in the hips are long gone. Again, this is why I'm thankful for Siege Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime.
I guess the first wave of RID prime were actually takara versions and not Hasbro's take because I remember getting him the day the line launched as a per teen at Walmarts and the first time I used the missile launcher gimmick on the ladder all of them went shooting out across my room and I lost a missile lmao
Love the 15tn Doctor cameo
Gatwa slays
@@DrLockdown Yessss!
So let me get this straight…
Rid2001 prime has a normal robot mode, a Super Mode, and then Another super mode with ultra magnus??
Yes.
So does Cybertron prime actually.
you missed the slider on the cybertron prime on his knees that makes his stance wider.
...huh...did not know that was a thing.
Just tried it out. Dunno if I like it. Makes the knees offset from the thighs
@@DrLockdown it makes it so that if he stands up straight the legs don't touch or look like they are one piece, but you are right, i go back and forth on this one on what looks better.
I want a modern RID prime so much I got a PotP Inferno and am in the prosses of tryong to mod it. can't get the head right though...
Check shapeways. There may be something there.
I'm still confused how deathsaurus couldn't have been don't in mainline.
Sure you wouldn't get the throne, but does it actually do anything special?
Denser plastic, extra paint, chrome work, extra accessories.
Hasbro has fully acknowledged he was conceived as a commander, but they realised they could make it infinitely better with a haslab budget.
The chair I think is stupid, but everything else is nice.
18:30 I thought bro made him do a jacko-pose for a second
i appreciate i'm late to the party with this vid.. but i thought the underarm configuration for Cybertron Prime's supermode was a now made official "fan mode" due to the TV show portraying them that way... yet the toy instructions had them as over the shoulder wielding? Wouldnt that explain the lack of "handles"?
I mean, under is how i display mine.. due to the show.. but it wasnt how the toy was designed, right?
Nice thorough comprehensive comparison video regardless chap! cheers!
Just found the RID prime a few days ago, got him in a pair with RID ultra Magnus pretty sure I got a good deal was really worth it, still need to get the cybertron /galaxy prime
Aw man! You get samples from Japan? I am jealous.
Might just be the one time, but we'll see
@@DrLockdown Bruh the most recent item I’ve been offered for reviewing purposes by a company is a leaf blower.
I review toys, talk about cartoons, and put abusers on blast. I don’t know why they saw my channel and said “leaf blower”.
Yeah we get those.
I got contacted by a cybersecurity company that seemed super fishy. Told them no. Company was dead two weeks later due to fraud.
@@DrLockdown That’s the WORST. At least in the one I got, I’ll be getting a leaf blower since the wife has been wanting one. I’m going to review it like a toy LOL
14:43 *I had a good chuckle at that.*
Does TJ know of his cameo?
It's just a green screen asset I made. Not a cameo. A reference.
Love the Doctor Who memes keep it up
oh i had that cybertron one as a kid, pretty sure i got it from a garage sale, since i don't remember the back pack....
Maybe the reason why Cybertron Optimus' mouth looks so odd is because it's a homage to Optimus Primal.
Since he had a pretty similar mouth design, which also featured a retractable face plate (even though he almost never used it in the show.)
Aren't the head wings a homage to Big Convoy as well?
Beats me. Could be, but they are kinda different
TF cybertron Optimus Prime is birth favorite literally
18:04 im broke lol, gen selects transmutate and deepcover used up all my funds
Man if only I could find the backpack for my Cybertron Prime
Other then that, great video as always
Yo doc, I've been eyeing a cute little beast wars powerhug, do u recommend I pull the trigger?
Never was a fan of the deco on that personally, but that's just me.
I just got RID 2001 Optimus Prime for Christmas along with Ultra Magnus, they're even better than I thought they would be and wish I had picked them up years ago.
Got both from different sellers on ebay but they really are immaculate chrome is still perfect all the electronics still work the alt modes are so rock solid I'm not even sure they've ever been transformed before I got them and so complete they had instructions and little leaflet things all that's missing is the little wheel gun bit which I can live without.
Optimus even had batteries still inside expiring in March 2002 still worked fine and miraculously hadn't alkalined everywhere
Want to try and find Cybertron/Galaxy Force one too.
Im not sure how common it is, but my galaxy force redeco has serious durability issues, with the handle for the "head elevator" missing entirely and basically every single rachet being broken or so loose that he can barely stand without the wingsaber heel bits. Despite all this, though, the wheel suspension is still holding up great. One of these days I'll grab another copy (beyond the one I got in even worse shape with the trailer) and rip my original's arm off so he can do both savage claw and sonic wing mode simultaneously l.
Wouldn't recommend that mod. Heard it can really mess with the longevity.
Unfortunately, as it is, the figure I'm talking about doing that to is already hopelessly worn down in all his ratchets (while oddly enough all the areas you were concerned about are fine) and at one point, the figure got knocked out a window from the third story of my college dorm. (it already had the wear so it wasn't caused by the fall)@@DrLockdown
I'd still be careful with disassembling figures.
Love this review
Will this video get a follow-up comparing Omega Prime to Sonic Wing Mode (and maybe the energon combined supermodes for a laugh?)
Potentially. I have wing Saber, but I'd probably want to get jetfire and Leo breaker first before than side of things.
As for ultra Magnus, that'll happen as soon as I eventually get one.
I actually have a mint in box Galaxy Convoy. That has to be one of my best con finds ever.
Personally, I like Earthspark Prime's Volvo-esque truck mode. it's still very visibly Optimus, but the vehicle mode is something you'd be more likely to see these days.
anyways, relevant to the video, I personally believe both of these designs are due to a modern reimagining, and not a Limited-Release Store-Exclusive Retool like Galaxy Upgrade. I mean Proper Leader/Commander class releases like what Armada Prime got, where the Original toy was given a modern lift to really bring it back to life. Fire Convoy (RID Prime) *definitely* needs it a LOT more than Galaxy Convoy (Cybertron Prime), but both would be highly appreciated.