Helluva Boss Season 2 Isn't Working
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2023
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Helluva Boss Season 2 Episode 4 Western Energy has been released into the wilds of RUclips like an enraged possum, and we Two Professional Writers must return to Spindlehorse Hell in order to put the poor beast out of our misery.
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There are reasons to criticize Helluva Boss as well as reasons to enjoy it, but one thing you'll never catch us doing is blame the writing quality on our fellow millennials
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It's sad when a hentai comic of Moxxie and loona cheating has more stakes and more consistent character writing then the show itself.
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@@BrotherVoidBomber boy what the fuck boy
Oh yeah I've seen this video and it deserves 110 out of 10 again because i meant to say i
@@BrotherVoidBomber Lmao.
Loonas VA lost her fiancé to cancer when they recorded these episodes so I understand why she didn’t have any lines but I feel like they could’ve left Loona out completely then, that would feel way better tbh
Oh shit, I didn't realize they were dating. I happen to be friends with their agent on Facebook, and I saw all the memorializing. Wow there's some SERIOUS lead time on the recording.
I disagree, they created a plot that works pretty well with Loona being silent
Oh no, that is heartbreaking...
Man that sucks, but you're right. Just have her at the office ignoring Blitzs calls. Make it a joke that she's indifferent to what's happening
@@jaydenc367I feel like they created a plot in which Luna was optional
Helluva Boss is an "adult" show on paper but its primary audience consists of junior high and high schoolers that are obsessed with shipping.
It's almost like a reverse of what My Little Pony Friendship is Magic was. Or reverse Bluey if we're being more recent.
Oh shit.. bro I just realized this
Can confirm kid at my school has made his entire life revolve around angel dust heck he wants to be called that now its gross and weird seeing him tell the elderly to call him "angle dust" creep
@@jockdouglass3824Wtf. Does he know that Angel Dust is literally a drug?
It's more like homestuck with sex jokes and more violence.
This comment is so true. I live in Nebraska and every school in my city has a bunch of kids that have Helluva shirts, pins, or charms on their bag. Always the most sexually promiscuous merch too
They probably should've kept it light hearted and episodic. Helluva Boss quickly deviated from its advertised synopsis of 'demon company going to Earth to kill for their clients.'' That's now sidelined/almost completely nonexistent. Probably should've kept the heavy stuff for Hazbin Hotel.
I had a feeling it would go down this route. Im glad they tried it, nothing wrong with that, but they really need to figure out when its appropriate for comedy to be included. I keep thinking back to the early seasons of Rick and Morty and how Rick's character was expanded back then. I think theyre trying to do something similar with Helluva Boss. Trying to make bad characters sympathetic. But they havent really grasped why it worked well for R&M or how to execute that kind of writing.
Reminder that the last episode where they went to Earth for the purpose of a contract killing was C.H.E.R.U.B.. Since then they have gone to Earth twice, once for a rescue mission and another time for a search party
@@torcaace When Blitzø said Loona needed her shot because she's been in the field more I was just like "Since when, because the last we saw was ep 6! And why would she be tagging along more?" And I don't count Seeing Stars because that wasnt a serious mission.
My god. The last time the plot was actually about them going to earth to kill a human was like,what, season 1 episode 4? Jesus Christ I wish this show stayed episodic because the writers have a horrible time of mixing "comedy" (13 year old sex jokes) and drama to where everything just feels so rushed or half baked. Thank you for reminding me of how quickly the show has lost the plot.
Wow, you know what I had completely forgot the original plot of the show until you said it. WOW. This show man has.. just gone downhill from the writing process
I found it really obnoxious how all the characters respond to hostility with a “i have sex” remark and a smug smile. It gets really really old really really quickly, and it just goes back to this antiquated idea that our ability to have sex somehow defines our standing in the world
IK
Demons following their demon stereotypes SOOO much that it get irritating. I can see the Big bang theory comparisons now. Big Bang is basically offensive black face feeling Stereotypical show against nerds, now this show is feeling like a black face stereotype against demon lovers.
They do not all respond to hostility with that though. Not really and it does not go back to that antiquated idea. Really it only happens with two characters here in this one episode that's it.
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@@lavellelee5734 it’s like flanderisation i think, where you exaggerate one aspect of a character so much that they lose the rest of their depth and identity
Why does Stryker get grossed out when flirted with, but has an entire statue of himself with a giant dick? Why does stryker get mad at the Imps singing for him when he CLEARLY has an ego and others cheering him on would BOOST his ego?
The only character who was a genuine threat is now treated like a joke. They screwed over my favorite character. Man I’m just sad how this show continues to fall off. 😢
Ikr! I'll just take him being annoyed at the singing as a way where people would get annoyed hearing "All I want for Christmas" over and over again in the stereo during the holidays season
He is still my favorite but yeah he felt a bit off of character
Striker did feel off in the episode, I agree. But he's still a threat though. I mean, he would likely have won that fight against Moxxie and Millie if he didn't decide to kill Moxxie up close and personal.
THEY DID HIM SO DIRTY. I hate it
oh my god finally someone said it ! ! !
You can have an ego but still feel unconfortable when someone is flirting. Plus it was established the singers were constantly singing that song wich annoyed him
I still respect the show. It’s a beautifully animated and charming romp that manages to maintain at least decent quality despite a RUclips budget. But that can only take a show so far.
Granted, Vivziepop does engage in some predatory behavior in regards to her animators. They're free lance contractors, but she wants them to be exclusive (despite the aforementioned being freelance).
@@gliscorpropagandaaccount1764 yeah. Unless contracted and given consistent pay, freelance workers have no loyalty and shouldn’t be strong armed into be loyal.
If you want consistent work then pony up a contract and pay their dues.
@@AnimatedTerror exactly! And especially don't intimidate other potential employers
@@gliscorpropagandaaccount1764 yea she's been kinda nasty
@@AnimatedTerror It's compounded with her doing two shows at once.
This series feels like a fanfic of a series it was previously supposed to be
Trust me brother I read and wrote fanfics better than this! XD
Specifically a Yaoi fanfic about Stoliz.
@CipherRage-tp5ql thank you. Fanfiction while it may or could make less sense it actually has a personality. It's like the show gave up any semblance of good writing for more consistent uploads and better animation.
Or each episode is fanfic written by someone else
This is EXACTLY how to describe this 😭
I didn’t even realise that Stolas and Blitz “talked” about the Ozzie stuff because I didn’t bother pausing to read that big text. Genuinely just annoyed and upset that they couldn’t be bothered to even have a single moment of “oh hey remember what happened at Ozzie’s?” Outside of a single text message.
Blitz is trying to avoid conversations about it.
When that scene of the texts popped up that made me roll my eyes: they couldn’t be bothered to actually use what was said in the text as an actual script and give us an actual episode about that so they lazily slapped it in a text message so that we the audience are supposed to pause and read and agree so we can stop asking them to address the Ozzie’s situation?? I’ve never seen that in a show before. They have months in between each episode. What were they doing the whole time? Selling more merch instead of writing??
they did they were supposed to release an episode after the ozzies one explaining what happened n stuff but they can’t release it yet due to copyright
@@fecesfilledcake3478 they also said that episode doesn't focus on Ozzies. It's supposed to focus on Blitz and Loona at a party.
There was an Ozzie's part 2 but there were copyright complications with the episode that Vivzie said she wasn't going to bother with since it somehow wasn't that important anyway.
Irt the “gender partitioning” thing, Vivzie’s tweets about Helluva being more male-focussed and Hazbin being more female-focussed is baffling to me. Especially in how it’s being used to explain Millie’s lack of characterization.
And yes Vivzie did indeed say that. Hezuneutral went into it all in her video on ‘Exes and Oohs’.
That excuse isn't even grounded much; even if Hazbin Hotel has Charlie Morningstar as the lead as opposed to Blitzø, the males in that show (Angel Dust, Alastor) still steal the spotlight.
@@tylere.8436 Exactly. And even if that wasn’t the case, it’s not a good reason to justify lacklustre character writing.
@@kradeizAnd if that's really the case then, would Angel and Alastor going be pushed to the side like Millie? Are we going to have to practically beg for them to have some spot lights?
Like... "Hey, this show is the musical, this other show will have music, but it'll always be diabetic." that's partitioning that makes sense. "This show about boys, this show about girls." Like... What in the name of Filmation has you doing that in 2023?!
I also just don't believe her. Angel Dust has had more characterization then Charlie and her girlfriend combined, with an extra comic, a song, and a LOT of screen time in the pilot. I find it hard to believe she's not going to do the same thing and focus much more on the male characters.
Striker was not the Striker I love in this episode. To me, Striker was that serious, cocky but loved villain that would do whatever it took to boost his ego. Then when I saw this episode I was extremely disappointed. The statue, him getting pissy over the singing, all of it didn’t fit what the show portrayed in the earlier episodes. Imagine how much of a good twist it would’ve been if Striker didn’t listen to Stella and tried to kill Stolas anyway. Millie and Moxxie could’ve gotten so much development n shit too during the fight scene. Striker turned into a Chaz joke atp. The thing he said about how he hates Royals could’ve been introduced so much more, and would make the plot the intensity we wanted.
Yep, I kept trying to figure out if it was just the new VA but no, he was just not written like himself this episode. He got a few good moments that felt like him, but otherwise he felt like an entirely different villain with some surface similarities to Striker and it was a bummer because I was so excited for his return. He was definitely my favourite of the series villains, but the Harvest Moon Striker, not this guy…
Idk why but he reminded me of Chaz, overconfident, acted goofy and cocky when it clearly wasnt the moment
I personally disagree, we get to see more of what makes striker tick as a character with his distaste for royals, and who knows, maybe he’ll snap and go against Stella as well
I have been DYING to see the issues of demon hierarchies/classism addressed in some way by the characters. It is such a core theme in the background of the plot lines they are trying to knit together. It is the basis of the IMP business and Blitzo's need to climb higher in society, is it the basis of Stolas x Stella divorce, it is at the core of Stoliz and it is a great character motive and temptation of Striker. But nothing is done with that. To be fair you would have to tap into world building which this show for some reason keeps avoiding. But the way Striker literally told Stolas how much he hates the rich in the latest episode, only for Stolas to just kinda stare and do there "And yet you participate in society"- meme. Like, are there no gears turning in any of the characters' heads? Granted, Stolas was in danger but I highly doubt this changes anything in the status quo since it hasn't happen thus far. Btw, I have liked this show for a long time and I don't hate the team behind it or anything. I am just frustrated with the creative decisions that have been taken, just like a lot of others seem to be.
The fact that Striker begrudgingly accepted Stella’s change of plans is actually incredibly consistent with his character. If we keep his thematic emphasis on class struggle in mind, it actually makes sense that he would back down and take the money from Stella, because it means he’s making MORE than he would have. Being able to get more money is actually a big priority for him, because as he illuminated in his speech, there’s obviously a big class divide in hell, so getting paid is a big deal for imps such as himself. If it’s a matter of sustaining himself, obviously he’s going to take the money. People are calling him a hypocrite for calling out royals yet working for Stella, but how else is he supposed to make money as an assassin? I’m sure he despises Stella as much as Stolas, but he can’t let that show when money’s on the line. We still have no idea if he does have any bigger plans long term, which may end up targeting people like Stella and Andrealphus as well.
Still Kinda confused on how Blizo thought Stolus couldn’t get hurt, let alone be killed when he found out that he was kidnapped by Striker?? The same guy that he stopped from literally killing Stolus in the first place.
He even admits after the call that he believes Stolus maybe in real trouble this time. So why is he suddenly surprised at the end?
It’s still an effective emotional scene, just doesn’t make sense ://
it doesn't make much sense, its made so fans can gosh once again about their ship and act like their relationship progressed
@@kango6218 I think you might be right. Looking through the comments on Sarcastic Chorus's video about the episode, it seems like a lot of people think the entire episode was worth it just for the last two minutes
@@Corrector1 True.
"If it makes me cry, it means the story is good." No. The story was bland and pointless. Striker didn't even make any significant changes to the narrative. You're just really obsessed with this ship.
That’s what I thought, too. Blitz contemplated joining Striker to kill Stolas because Striker knew they wanted the same thing: to be more than what they are by killing a more powerful being.
“You and I are greater than most of our kind” it wasn’t just manipulation to get out of getting shot, Striker respected Blitz and saw his strength and ability in the pain games as well as staring a successful business.
People have tolled me its up to interpretation, but its RIGHT THERE. You can see it in Blitz’s face, he was thinking about it, and he only blew it off when Moxxie appeared. It was a great internal-conflict for Blitz.
He wouldn’t have saved Stolas in the first place if he didn’t knew Stolas could die from an Angelic Weapon, of all things.
I think it was meant in the way of putting someone up on a pedestal. You think of them so highly - even if Blitz gets annoyed with Stolas, he still is high-powered royalty - that you don't think they can get hurt. Sure, they can die like everyone else, but remember, their sex is also pretty rough with Blitz being hinted at to hurt Stolas a lot in the bedroom, even if consensually. So seeing him in an actual critical condition is probably throwing him for 10 loops.
I'm mainly playing Devil's advocate here, as I can see both sides of the arguments of defenders and critics
The fucking Ozzie's text message almost made me pause the episode and walked out lmao
I was busting out laughing I am so sorry
@@juliajoneschung5558 honestly the only funny part of the episode
Yeah when I saw that I went like, "Oh. That's still a thing?"
watching season 2 of Helluva Boss has felt more like watching a game of ping pong than watching a show(and not the sports anime kind)
Edit: Ah yes the two genders: Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss
The fact we have barely gotten any info about hazbin since the pilot sucks. All we have seen is some character re designs we haven't heard the new voice actors or anything yet. Tbh idk if it will even do that good. I want it too but it's been so long now I feel like all the hype and excitement behind it is gone
Bruh, imagine having on these two series's
@@AA-sw5pb You're telling me. Back in October is was announced that the show was shooting for a summer release. More than half a year later we don't know where the show is airing, how many episodes there'll be, who any of the replacement voice actors are, an exact release date, a trailer or even a fully voiced clip. I don't expect them to drop whole episodes in advance, but barely anything has been revealed about the show.
@@QuantumFN_09 Most people don't have to. These two series... they aren't that good. Helluva's only redeeming quality is thhe characters. Other than that, belongs in the toilet.
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Sounds like Hazbin isn't even out yet tho.
Glad you brought up the thing about Hazbin Hotel supposedly being the female-centric show because even in that regard unless there are people brought in to make sure the team keep to their word, we'll still see the same problem of underdeveloped, one-note female characters.
Yeah, there's a reason that there's so much Angel and Alastor fan and official content compared to the female characters. Angel honestly feels more like the main character than Charlie, considering he's the first to be introduced and has the most impact on the plot of the pilot, and they kind of did blow their load with the prequel comic, since those explained to us why he joined the hotel in the first place and that if it fails, he'll be forced back into an abusive relationship. Meanwhile, Charlie doesn't have nearly as much on the line. It hasn't been established if a sinner being sent to Heaven is actually possible, so for all we know, this could be all for nothing, and if she fails, well, she can just go back to living a soft and cushy lifestyle. Sure, maybe her life isn't like that, but that just goes to show how little we know about her even though she's supposedly the main protagonist. She doesn't have that engaging hook that makes you want to follow her. Of course, since the pilot is no longer canon, I will gladly eat my words if she actually does become a character, but given the track record so far, I won't hold my breath.
Honestly, to me it's soooo dumb to have a show,,male or female centered". That's just dumb
@@PIB2000 Right like let's be honest. Hazbin Hotel will be the Alastor and Angel show, since the whole fandom favorites them sm. I have a bad feeling that Charlie will be underdeveloped along with Vaggie or Niffty.
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Who?
@@kittenpaws8896 and even if they are developed by the logic of what's happening in HB the guys will get unfairly screwed over instead
Yeah, I haven't really bothered after the last episode. You cannot expect me to believe that a guy with a wall full of shark jaw trophies wouldn't have checked to make sure the guy wasn't messing with him before investing all that time and money on the wedding and installing censored stuff all over the house.
I kinda agree. But also not rlly. It’s shown that Crimson is seriously egotistical. So I’m sure he just assumed Chaz wasn’t lying because who the hell would be so stupid as to lie to a deadly mafia boss notorious for drowning his victims?? Thing is though, Chaz is stupid, but Crimson had to of thought he wasn’t THAT stupid as to betray someone as powerful as him
@@jjsstikbotvideos4421 you don't get to be the head of a mafia organization by blindly trusting people not to screw you over.
@@incineroar9933 Well yeah. But he probably did at first, until he got up to his status. And then he got cocky and lazy because he had his reputation
People can hide their wealth so checkiing may not even work so that did make sense.
@@incineroar9933 The idea that mafia bosses are geniuses they get to the top through hard work is not based on reality. They quite literally do trust a bunch of people to not screw them over. It's exactly why mafias end up collapsing and need to depend on intimidation and weird ideas about honor. Because if it was strictly logic, they would kill so many people.
It's why they always end up in court and need to pay under the table to get off on charges or threaten witnesses. Because they do so much obviously heinous shit and constantly get caught.
I think the new best example of this show's tonal whiplash is the mafia episode.
They showed us a heavy, heavy backstory of Moxxie, already a Woobie by design, forced to watch an abusive relationship between his parents as a toddler, and then finally being forced to kill his mother, who was still kind to him and clearly had his favor...then followed up with Crimson pushing a button and making dildos sprout from every orfice in the house.
I don't think it was Moxxie's mother as the voices and the horns are different
@@linedoltrainerchannelgammi2247I just checked, I think you're right. The imp Moxxie drowned had male horns. However, the mother's shoe still floated up to the surface, so she's definitely still dead.
@@usuallyangry At first I thought Moxxie killed his mother, but I think it was just some random guy he killed. Crimson killed Moxxie’s mother because he warns Moxxie what would happen to him if he ever crossed Crimson.
To be honest I personally loved that scene. To me it didn't ruin the tone or the story at all because it was only well after that bit of backstory that the dildos were revealed which to me is the reason that joke worked so well cause you're like "Oh yeah, those things are still here and I totally forgot" and they don't mention it during or afterward. The heaviness of the situation is still in tact and they got a joke out of it afterward. Ep 3 as a whole is actually pretty great imo. To me the tonal whiplash comes from the weird pacing in episodes like ep 4 where an amazingly well animated serious and heavy fight with Striker is being paralleled with "wuh oh! Loona and Blitz at the vet" or ep 2 where the jokes are so weirdly placed and just don't land.
It's worse than that. It's that instead of making that a shock joke, the show doubles down on the dildos by having them pop up at the wedding. Then, it's Millie not just using them as weapons, but doing jokes with them like Chaz getting one shoved down his throat.
Oh, and you know you mentioned how Crimson made the dildos appear after a real heavy scene that showed us Moxxie's backstory? It's that the dildos are meant to represent Crimson's bigotry ("I decorated it more to your kind's taste") and we're still meant to find the fact they showed dildos funny. It is far worse than the joke being "Lol, dildo"
I cannot describe how pretentious it is to show dildos but know you have to censor them for RUclips, either. That's just pushing a joke that was never going to work. It's like how S2E4 had numerous instances of 'cunt' being said but censored. None of these jokes are even ones where the censorship is the joke. They're just forcing failed jokes into it.
I'm not a professional writer but i felt that it was a good and strong first season it got me very invested in these characters but from seeing how season 2 is playing out. To me it feels like the writers are struggling to strike up the balance between lightheartedness and seriousness, but it also feels like the show was not as planned out as it should of been. Like Millie should have gotten one major story in season 1 and this might just be me but Striker feels egotistical in this episode which isn't bad but is a trait that should have been shown in his introduction. I do sincerely hope that season 2 or even 3 picks up as i still like the show and want it to the it's best self.
in striker's introduction, he was serious and a genuine threat. he's treated like a joke here and it's so infuriating. he literally has angel weapons they should be so afraid of him
All the ego stuff felt more like a chaz leftover joke, like the statue with a big d
@@lollmaoimcool "Jokes" like the big dick statue are just not funny to me.
So it just undermines the character for no reason
To be fair, Striker has always been an egotistical dickhead. Think back to his song in 1x5 where he just brags about himself in the most over-the-top way, in addition to his line to Blitzo: “the two of us are above the rest of our kind”. So, as far as the narcissism is concerned, his character is pretty consistent. Though if you mean the sexual aspect, I definitely understand what you’re saying. The bottom line is this, yes, Striker can be cool, but also an annoying egomaniac. That’s just his character.
Striker was definitely egotistical in the first episode. He sings a whole song about how he's better than you.
I haven't thought about it much until now, but I can't help but wonder if the writers use bad parent-child relationships as an easy way to gain sympathy from viewers. Blitzo, Stolas, Moxxie, Angel Dust, Charlie, it pops up a lot and it always seems to be dads for some reason. You could argue that Stella probably has a poor relationship with Via, but they've never interacted on screen so we still don't know what their relationship is like, and even with Via, both of her plots revolve around her strained relationship with her dad. I'd love to see an episode where Via and Stella interact, given Via's entire aesthetic it would be cool to see it clash with Stella's traditional beliefs.
"How can she be a princess? PRINCESS OF WHAT? PRINCESS OF FUCKING SPENCER'S? You rule with an iron fist to bring down upon your enemies, how can anyone take a princess seriously when her crown is a goddamn beanie? What do you think, Andy?"
"I think if you call me Andy again then you will make a fine ice sculpture."
I read that in Stella's voice. Well done.
Almost every character in this universe has daddy issues. It's really becoming a cliche more than usual.
I think a good way they could show a relationship between Stella and Octavia is Stella trying to convince Octavia that the problems within their family was entirely caused by Stolas. And how he “ruined the family name” by sleeping with an imp, a demon that is of lower class.
I’ve seen many real life scenarios where one or both of the parents in a strained or divorced relationship will try to convince their child/children that everything bad that happened in the family is entirely the other parent’s fault, in an attempt to get the child/children on their side only. It’s definitely happening with my cousin and her mother, who is feeding her lies about my uncle, my cousin’s father, which has made her not want to talk to him again, despite his efforts to try to reach out to her and explain his side of the story. Stella could also try to turn Octavia against her father in an attempt to get her fully on her side so she can subject her traditional beliefs onto Octavia, and make her the “perfect” princess she’s always wanted for her family’s image.
To my knowledge, Vaggie wasn't even meant to be Charlie's girlfriend during development. She was known as simply Charlie's manager & nothing more. It wasn't until fans who were following the project thought they would be cute as a couple & started shipping them. So the arbitrary excuse given that "Helluva is about the boys, Hazbin focuses on the gals" didn't even come from a deliberate place. I feel like a lot of these Spindlehorse productions are just being made up as they go. Which...why even bother trying to branch out into attempting a dramatic storyline? That kind of seat-of-your-pants writing generally really works for episodic gag based works. Especially when it's clear even writing characters consistently is an issue for this project.
@@CipherRage-tp5ql Why do studios do this? They write lesbian couples with no chemistry, they just make them sit there and hold hands, its so boring.
@@yeayeayeah933 Because they're trying to fit with the mean demographic. Same sex couples are more popular than opposite sex couples. So they use that to get more ratings and hits. It's ok for a show or movie to have LGHT characters but don't use it as some kind of a prophet and force it in people's throats who are not into it.
@@CipherRage-tp5qlY'all still regurgitating these nonsense points? Who cares if people aren't into it, why pander to homophobes?
@@yeayeayeah933I mean Charlie and Vaggie might have conflict in the show but at least this is a confirmed relationship. Not every gay relationship needs to be written as a big deal.
And to go even further back than that, Vaggie was Angel Dust’s girlfriend at one point before it was decided that Angel would be gay.
After the end of the episode that introduced Stryker, i was genuinely excited for his return thanks to the ”cliffhanger” that strongly implied he’d be back. And now he came back and…. I dont really feel anything? It was done with 0 tension and buildup. The way he was written just felt off as well. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
My feeling's always been that if the show wanted Striker to feel like a legitimate threat, the characters would have to treat him that way in the episodes immediately following his introduction. Someone just tried to *kill* this business's benefactor, so you'd think that'd light a fire under Blitzo's ass to evacuate Stolas and his family to a safehouse until the threat was neutralized. Time is of the essence, y'know? Instead we get a five-episode cushion between Striker's appearances, which has destroyed any sense of urgency.
The one way they could have redeemed Striker as a villain would be if he just refused Stella’s order to spare Stolas, and either have Moxie and Millie save him at the last moment, or just killed Stolas off and dedicate the rest of the season to dealing with the fallout generated by his death
@@lauramaue793 That's exactly why you have a multi-episode gap. Let things cool, let the guard down again. Even real criminals know not to re-attack while everyone is amped up and looking for it.
Also, Blitzo is clearly still under the impression that the royals are immortal. It's very likely an idea the royals actively cultivate. So he isn't exactly worried. Functionally they are immortal because their powers. Stryker just happens to have some friends/contacts in high places and access to things very few in hell do. Blessed rope for instance to nullify Stolas' power.
I feel really sorry for the animators because they do such a great job in smoothly animating all those overcomplicated designs while writers seems to spit out scripts 15 minutes before timeline without even double checking it with stories being inspired by whatever anime they recently watched. It's especially sad because bad writing overshadow everything, the show might look and sound good but what's the point if watching is not pleasurable because of inconsistent tone and messy story?
Writers should finally get over themselves just out of respect to everyone else working on Helluva. They clearly doesn't care for the fandom because so far they reply to every criticism with poor excuses knowing people will keep watching anyway so they can at least try so the rest of the team doesn't waste their talents on messy fanfiction with switched up names. I might be harsh but i'm really tired of babying this show just because it's an indie project.
Agreed, it seriously feels like season 2 was writing by completely different people
@Pumpkin, I agree all the way! Yes, the reality is that there will always be fans, but it's messy writing is not an excuse and should not be babied because oh, indie project. Passion is great and all, but if the writing is not just as passionate, that is a PROBLEM. And the reality is that overtime the views of Helluva Boss will only decrease because the writing is very bad. I have seen a decrease in views alresdy. Very first episode had 55 million views, most recent episode only had 3.3 million, though maybe a bit more now, but still, that's a large drop. The only thing keeping Vivziepop'a work alive are her fans continuing to treat her as a goddess that knows all. But she is not as popular as before.
The designs are not overcomplicated and the writers do not seem to spit out scripts 15 minutes before deadline without even double checking and the stories do not seem to be inspired by any anime. It is not sad as there is mostly not bad writing, the tone is not inconsistent and the story is not messy.
They are over themselves though. They do care for the fandom and not all of their replies to every criticism is poor excuses, they are trying and the rest of the team isn't wasting their talents on messy fanfiction with switched up names.
@@jaydenc367 designs are overcomplicated in terms of animation especially indie one, they have too much unnecessary details and asymmetry so animating them probably takes more time than it would if idk Blitz-o had skin and horns in one color and Loona didn't have pentagram on her chest that must be absolute hell to animate.
Fact that Helluva as an indie project has more detailed designs than some cartoons from majors studios is absurd and is probably the very reason why animation while still very good is clearly getting worst animators are not machines, they get tired and overworked.
And yes writing is bad and clearly inspired by other media, at some point they started doing fujoshi style yaoi "love story" changing some characters to fit the genre and introducing villain of the week just to abandon them later on, they have no idea what tone, genre or even tempo they want to keep because they write everything based on what they recently liked that very week and choosing what story you want to tell is the very basis of writing, you don't make it up as you go.
It's just glorified fanfiction (or maybe webtoon would be better word) and the rest of the team is wasting their talent at this point because there's no balance in quality between their work and the writers', sorry not sorry.
@@papkinn , Right. I'm not sorry either. Vivziepop is unprofessional in terms of her attitude and whom she hires.
Vivzy just needs to get off twitter because those excuses are just so embarrassing.
Omg fr 🤭
If she's making excuses, then she knows it's bad. If she knows it's bad, she knows she could have written season 2 differently. So, might I ask...
WHY DIDN'T SHE WRITE IT DIFFERENTLY WESTERN ENERGY IS AWFUL!
@heh heh heh heh I don't know for sure if she knows her writing not the best and could improve. She has a bunch of biases and honestly if the excuses are this ridiculous I don't think she aware or wanna admit to them (also sad a lot of people buy it). I honestly think she should have held off on this spin off series until it had more solid planning, because now we have a flawed story based on self indulgence rather than a good narrative.
@@orochi52 I don't think she should have held off, but it was SO OBVIOUS what she should have done for Western Energy, I can't wrap my head around how she missed it.
Blitz should have tracked Stolas down and interacted with Striker again, and if Loona's VA can't VA, then she shouldn't be in the episode.
@@YourMom_._ twitter needs to get off the internet.
It's gotten to the point where I'm more excited for these videos than the actual episodes lmao
RIGHT? 💀
Helluva Boss is my new Steven Universe. Started promising, fell off due to bad writing and long wait times, and now I'm just sticking around just to see how it pays off. And then only watch the good parts in RUclips compilations
SAME LMAO💀
@@aaunyea4799 can you write better?
@@EchoAccord and your point is
It amuses me how the HB fandom is willing to get bigoted to defend their show. First, the anti-Italian sentiments towards Gus and now ableism towards Cartoonshi. Two creators who used to gush about the show were crucified the moment they gave genuine criticisms instead of mindlessly praising it.
Anti italian? Where?
I thought Italians are white, since they work with Axis and all
@@asscheeks3212 theorically we are White, It Is Just that the rest of the world has a strange opinioni on us.
@@asscheeks3212 no???
@@asscheeks3212 nah back in the day during the 19th century Italians where treated badly cause they weren't seen as white enough especially southern Italians
It really does feel like they're trying too hard to recapture what made S1 memorable and fun, without taking the time to examine WHY those moments were memorable and fun.
The entire sequence of Moxie and Millie vs. Striker in this episode is a good example of that. It's a gorgeously animated fight, one that's almost ruined by the constant cuts back to Blitz and the nameless doctor giving Luna her shot - all to a bubblegum pop song for the sake of a joke. It's so strange, because it's using almost all the same pieces as the first season, but instead of making castles and cathedrals like they did last season they're using the pieces to make outhouses this time around.
An other example is the emotional song at the end of the episode, it feels extremely out of place and lessens the impact of season 1 episode 7’s ending
Yes, helluva boss s2 episode 4 felt fairly short, It was probably because the introduction of new characters (excluding old ones like striker) felt rushed and wasn't executed properly in some areas. But overall a 3/5.
I'm still waiting for ep 8.
@@kallazjopatsu6846 Episode 8 as in part 2 of the s1 finale? (Ep 7)
@@nika_ukuri4117 Yeah
A part of me does get where the show's fanbase is coming from in hating the idea of criticism. This is an independent animation studio making a passion project that they release to us for free. They are putting so much into it for so little in return, so yes, in some way, any kind of criticism would feel like an attack on their hard work.
But that still doesn't make the show immune to critiques. Its problems have steadily gotten more and more apparent to the point where I can't just turn a blind eye anymore. The tonal dissonance is baffling, the pacing isn't great and the characters are starting to feel like parodies of themselves.
Maybe this show was free for someone, but what about people who paid for a patreon or bought expensive merchandise? Is the show was free for them too? Are they also not allowed to criticize the show?
@@dmorfo4359 It is still free for them. They don't need to pay to watch it.
It's also not really about that. The point, if I were to have made it, is that a lot of criticisms are just unfair. People actively call out the creators by name and expect completely cordial responses and immediate solutions to perceived problems when that's simply unfeasible. People who don't produce anything and know nothing about the industry are giving contradictory criticisms yet collectively agree that they all need to be listened to in order to fix the show, and the crew very fairly reject criticism that isn't framed as a way to improve what they're going for but to change the direction of their work.
And to every layman on the net, yeah, it seems easy to deal with and you'll say it's fair because you'd do it to Disney or Dreamworks, but not only is that just not true (Pixar directors aren't called out by name), but those creators have a lot more cushion from criticism by having a lot more resources to hide behind. So even if you outright harass a Dreamworks director, they don't need their social media to find work and they're often not even the ones coming up with the stories. They also have numerous projects and never need to hear criticism of any particular one. And they also get paid whether you liked the movie or not.
@@muntu1221 You need to learn the difference for what free and not free means, you pay, it's not free, you dont pay, it's free.
@@artistanthony1007 if you get something regardless of if you pay for it or not, then that means free
Something I saw someone else point out is this episode had a negative impact on Striker’s character. Before he wanted to kill Stolas because he’s a member of the Ars Goetia and was able to do so because of Stella paying him and providing him with a weapon. But now, as soon as Stella calls him and tells him to stop, he just gives in because money. Even though his whole character emphasized how much he hated royalty. And the frustrating thing is I thought about it and it’s such an easy fix. Just have Stella call him, he decides to still kill him, and THEN M&M show up to stop him. But instead they just made him act like Stella’s henchman instead of a threatening enemy in his own right
Imagine how great it would have been if he just said "no" and smashed the phone, with the focus being given to Millie and Moxxie arriving without us knowing if Stolas would be alive or not
She offered to pay him more not to and it's clear he hates this. He was gonna take his eyes.
Sean fay Wolfe called season 2 a fanfic of itself and I’m starting to think he may be onto something
Very accurate, I do feel like I’m watching a fan work of helluva boss and not an actual show. It’s good, it’s pretty, and I love angst, slow burn, fluff, comfort/hurt, and all those other good good fanfic tags, but it’s feeling like each episode is made as they begin production and not written out and then broken into episodes. I still love the show but I wish it were real, yknow? I’m watching an au fanshow of a show that doesn’t exist
@@KittyThaliaX23 You read my mind. I’m a big angst enjoyer but as I watched the newest episode I really had that “I wish this was canonical” feeling that comes with watching or reading fan work. It’s obviously a really unusual feeling to have )whilst watching a canonical episode of a show that is) that just left me feeling mildly unsatisfied in a way?
It’s literally MLM fanfic if ever been in a fandom
@@smcphee8499 Multi Level Marketing fanfiction exists?
The most insulting part is that I’ve read fanfics that explored Stella and Stolas’ dynamic in a interesting way more than the actual show did
It's amazing how easily people can forgive a middling story as long as there's an empty promise of "It gets better in the next season" or "It'll all make sense later; trust me." Nearly every show with a large and vocal fandom has this exact same problem, whether intentional or not.
It's like when someone says this show will get better in 20 or more episodes.
The story is pretty good though not middling.
That's desperate way to keep people watching. "Hey my show doesn't suck, just wait till last season the last episode will be the best thing you ever saw"
This is making me feel like they’re gonna go for the Star Vs. The Forces of Evil treatment in how this show handles its plot
Loona didn't get any lines cause her VA was grieving the loss of her boyfriend at the time it sucks that she didn't get to speak but the VA should get the time she needs to grieve
Honestly… I think it worked out fine. Her not having any speaking lines didn’t make the plot weird or anything. I’m just glad she’s still gotten screen time and they were able to make it work. She was acting like a scared dog at the vet. And guess what? Scared dogs don’t talk. So it kinda checks out. So yeah, at least they were able to show her emotions clearly and still give her screen time. Looking forward to when she’s ready to come back
loona literally didn't even need to be in this episode, or at least not that much.
@@riley2294 Okay well people are constantly complaining she doesn’t get enough screentime, so they gave her some
@JJ's Stikbot Videos She gets nothing but screen time. She had an emotional moment with Octavia, had her own episode where she tried to get the guy she had a crush on, had a bit of her back story of how Blitzø adopted her and shares a good moment fighting those agents.
It's tragic but her boyfriend passed away a year ago and she has still consistently been doing voiceover work since then. I highly doubt that's the issue.
Lmao I love how 99% of people who aren't blinded by fanboyism can call out Vivzie's BS that Hazbin is """""female-centered"""" because it's so evident that Alastor and Angel Dust are far and away the most popular/interesting characters. And the thing is, if the A24 show changes this and shifts focus away from those two then it'll probably lose a lot of fans.
Them not hiring Angel Dust's original voice actor for bullshit reason kinda laready turned me off of it.
@1234kalmar ong michael was perfect but apparently they cant legally use his voice bc hes not in a like voice actors guild or sumth
Characters being popular or interesting doesn't mean the show is focused on them lmao. Tons of series have background/supporting characters that become more popular than the protagonists.
Vivze cant control which characters are more popular than others have you never seen a side character be more popular than a main character? In danganronpa 2 Nagito isn't the main focus but he's more popular than the protagonist
@@duckhugger7692that’s not true and Michael confirmed that it was just fans making excuses
Honestly I can see it a mile away that the reason its in a protective fandom bubble is that the haters of the series have never had more fuel, and the fans are starting to see a decline and are afraid to admit it cause they would have to "kill their darlings" so to speak.
The hesitancy to critique comes from the misconception that you just have to take whats given to you or else you lose it.
Personally, it says a lot that I did used to care about the story a lot but now all I really care about are looks. An odd thought that the Sallie May desk mat may be the last major interaction I have with the series.
Idk, I seriously just think the show is experiencing the pains of being a youtube web show that releases episodes every other month or so. Casual viewers will forget plot elements, and the more hardcore viewers will go harder on each episode or want it to be more lore focused considering how long it takes for an episode to release.
Not to say there aren’t valid criticisms of the show being made, but going back and watching it as a group of episodes definitely made it seem more cohesive at least to me
@@Jidom_101 It's too ambitious and unfocused, look at stuff like Eddsworld and specially Don't hug me i'm scared, their creators knew exactly what they wanted to do and did it masterfully
@@ironmaster6496 I never got the impression DHMIS was trying to be a full on show a network could air with seasons and episodes, and I don’t know enough about eddsworld to comment on that
@@ironmaster6496 DHMIS is great, but it was 6 episodes, had basically no lore until the end, and even through the end of the series was so confusing that fans still have no idea what the actual story was, since the creators said the whole online vs traditional tv idea was incorrect. And eddsworld was an absolute mess if you look into it, more similar to a webcomic in being held up by a devoted fanbase while largely abandoning the general youtube audience
Helluva boss fans try not to base their whole personality on a show instead of going outside challenge
I'd also like to say that Andrel-whatever-his-name-is has a really bad entrance. Sure, he's been hyped on Twitter or something, but it should be within the show. Sure, he's mentioned, but just ONCE. There's no buildup to his first appearance.
My biggest pet peeve with Viv is that she tells important "fun facts" in her Tweets and not in the actual show.
its weird; if you have to explain details _outside_ your own story, you are failing as a artist-
There were a few elements from this episode that I think really shot it in the foot:
- the overly sexual nature of the show/jokes really evaporated the tension in the stolas torture bits. It also prevented him from getting *that* hurt since the only place Striker hurt him was in the shoulder. I think moxxie asking harder felt a bit ooc for him, but im not super sure. It just felt annoying imo. I think Striker being stunned about the sexual moments would have felt more earned and appropriate if he didnt have a huge statue with dick out. Even if its hell and an adult show, does every major character have to be hyper sexual?
-with the last point, the show refusing to take the serious moments seriously. Stella is just a whiney brat, even though she's also an abuser. It doesnt feel serious in its execution of an abuse story.
-All the potential of Striker felt lost after Stella called off the hit. Striker wanted to get back at the system, but the meaning of that just doesnt matter when its so easy for him to call it off after the exact kind of person he hates tells him to stop. His motives werent very resolute, which makes him less intimidating. It would have been more interesting if he told Stella "no takebacks". That keeps his motives strong, keeps him as a villain, and makes the fight with moxxie and millie actually matter. As it stands, that fight doesnt matter bc he returns stolas anyways. Calling off the hit feels like a huge cop out by the writers.
-Like you said, the Ozzie conversation happening in a blink if you miss it text is lazy. It doesnt really matter either, because Ozzie already didnt have consequences before so addressing it now when it already didnt effect the plot makes it meaningless.
Even if this video is more about external factors regarding helluva, thank you for making it!
I agree about the hyper sexual part, I wish the statue didn’t have that so it would make a bit more sense. The whole egotistical dick part doesn’t even seem like the same character as Harvest Moon. And Harvest Moon Striker was my favorite villain :( I do however like Moxxie saying that though. It makes sense why he did at least. It clearly was to distract Striker, not because he doesn’t like sex, but because he has choked out Moxxie before, and it was so different from the first time. He was just caught off guard. And honestly? I think it is Blitzo rubbing off on him. Seems like a very Blitzo thing to do. I noticed Blitzo starting to influence him when they were being interrogated in ep 6 and Moxxie started annoying the agents and Blitzo was proud. I like that
Anyway tho, that would’ve been super cool and in character for Striker to say “no takebacks” and to show Stella start screaming at him on the phone before he hangs up. And then to have Moxxie and Millie come in. HOWEVER, you didn’t mention that he was threatening to cut his eyes out so he wouldn’t be able to turn him to stone later. So not like it killed the tension 100%
The hypersexualization of most characters and forced sexual jokes are starting to get on my nerves too. I know the show is an adult comedy, but NOT every episode needs to be full of sexual innuendo.
"the overly sexual nature of the show/jokes really evaporated the tension in the stolas torture bits. It also prevented him from getting that hurt since the only place Striker hurt him was in the shoulder."
YESSS
Like Stolas was taking wounds that were so deep they went through his body along with him facing the very real possibility he'll never see his daughter or blitz again. But instead he's just cracking jokes about how Blitz has done worse.
I'm not expecting Stolas to cry rivers but i expected something much more believable that what we got, and the whole seriousness of that moment shouldn't of been undermined.
@@jjsstikbotvideos4421 thanks for the reply! I really appreciate what you wrote and you bring up a good points about Moxxie and the threatening to cut Stolas's eye out bit- I totally didnt consider that so ty!
I agree that the show uses sex too much. I think Stolas taunting Striker about Blitzo did work in that scene, but it just wasn’t needed with Moxxie or the statue. It’s just so tiring.
I don't like how we're slowly veering towards most female characters in this show being reduced to their most basic feature.
I like Stellas callousness. I like that shes mean and bitchy and irredeemably selfish.
I also like bratty, childish characters when they're entertaining and comically bad.
What I don't like is seeing Stella, who had the potential to be a somewhat calculative manipulator, being reduced to an immature, dumb girl. Her rages weren't tantrums. Her sadistic speech did not read as the words of a pouting toddler. They came from a grown woman who was well aware of all the implications of what she was doing.
What the actual hell is this frustrating, one note characterisation? And why is it a pattern with almost exclusively the female characters in this show?!
I know that Viv has previously talked about how the characterisation and development of certain characters (specifically Millie) suffers from the lack of direction and certainty at the beginning of Helluva Bosses production.
Shouldn't this logically lead to the characterisation and development of certain characters being really strong when they're actually in the spotlight though?
If you're uncertain about how much you can produce, you shouldn't waste screen time
on subpar directions! And as we saw with Striker in this episode, less may actually even be more when it comes to showing character.
Unless of course, those are all just excuses for degrading writing. I love Helluva Boss, but I can't be the only one that has noticed, right?
The team needs to seriously sit down and deliberate what they want to do with this lovely cast of characters. Because they have massive potential that is being squandered more and more.
@JayCookie , And will continue to be squandered for all four seasons. 😒😒😒😒
Millie continues to become more and more characterised throughout each episode, I doubt we'll have her episode soon but bc this shows going on for a few seasons she'll definitely become a realised character in due time.
And Stella.. as annoying as it is, her dumbness feels so justified its sad JAHAHSJSNDH
This is quite possibly my least favourite episode and I figured out why about 5 minutes after I finished watching it
If I had to fix this episode without changing the plot I would switch tasks the characters are doing
Blitzo rescuing Stolas (the person who means the most to him) from Stryker (the villain who has the most power over him)
whilst Millie and Moxie (devoted married couple) have to consider whether their ready for the responsibility of having kids because they have to take a parental role in taking Loona to the hospital
If the show was as smart as its defenders people thought it was that’s how they’d do it
now THIS is quality ass type shit
not only because it allows for Blitz and Striker's relationship to develop, it could unlock more interest and all that for Blitz or Striker
almost like Striker is the key and Blitz is the lock, or the other way around
not only THAT, but it ALSO might finally give us millie character development.
Yesss! And I love how you gave Millie something more to do than fight. Cause she really needs that now.
Nah that already seems way too simiiliar to what we got before with Blitz rescuing Stolas, they do not need to be together in every episode they are in and it is nice to see Moxxie and Millie fight by themselves for once
Not really they would do it how they did it
I don't think that would tonally fit to jump from my dad tried to force me into an arranged marriage to talking kids. Let alone it just fits so much how Blitz and Stolas' relationship isn't at all healthy, and that they both when the chips are down would chose their kid over the other.
@@anvos658 disagree, exes and ohs only re enforced Millie and Moxies relationship and there’s an unspecified amount of time between each episode, one of them could just mention ‘that thing with chazz a couple months back’ and nobody would argue with it
For me, the problem I have with Helluva Boss besides the obvious issues in Stella and Millie's characters is that they can never have a truly serious episode. They always have to shoehorn in a bad sex joke in the middle of a supposedly important scene, and while it worked in earlier episodes, its not doing the same now. Recently, a lot of the humor has come at the cost of not only the character but also the emotional impact of the scene. I cannot take the show seriously anymore because I don't know when another bad joke is gonna be thrown in and completely rip me out of the scene. The whole Striker Statue thing is a primp example of this.
I question if having a statue with a massive erection even fits Striker's character. Sure he's got an ego, but he's not as endlessly vulgar as a lot of the characters.
It really feels like the show has no idea what it wants to be. Is it a comedy or a drama? Is its plot serialized or episodic? Is it about a hit squad for hire, or is it about two fuckbuddies whose relationship blossoms into a romance? Of course some shows balance comedy and drama well (Bojack Horseman's a good example) but Helluva Boss... really doesn't.
@@lauramaue793 It used to balance the two well in season 1 imo, but man...
They do have truly serious episodes though. Not always and usually the sex jokes are not bad and it still usually works now too. None of the humor has come at the cost of the character or the emotional impact of the scene. That was not a bad joke and made sense for Striker's character.
Loo Loo Land is why I dropped the show in general. Because of this reason! Pick a Lane
At this point Helluva Boss feels like a one of those paper thin seasonal anime’s that get by entirely on having attractive characters. It doesn’t matter how bad the writing gets, people are gonna watch it because they want Luna to step on them.
It's a great description. I would compare Helluva Boss to Miraculous Ladybug.
People grew to love the fun and quirky characters, so they want to know how their story ends, ignoring that the show itself is bad.
And both HB and Miraculous Ladybug know about their fans, so they drag the character development for as long as they can, so the fans will watch it
This episode really just felt like a whole lot of nothing. Despite Striker's grand return and Andrealphus' introduction, it just feels so empty. Everything feels like I've seen it before. Blitz has emotional issues with Stolas? Check. Stolas makes horny jokes? Check. Stella is mean and evil? Check. Loona is angry? Check. Millie is a badass fighter? Check. The only thing that stands out is Moxxie actually getting to stand up for himself in a fight for once.
But it all just feels like they're just going through the motions with this show. Nothing is actually advancing and characters aren't actually developing. I really wished Moxxie and Millie got to interact with Stolas after they saved him. It would've given Millie a chance to shine as she consoles Stolas and Stolas would see what a good wife Millie is to Moxxie and gain a new perspective on his own situation but no. They don't interact at all and feel like they're not even in the same show. Stolas is only allowed to talk to Blitz for some reason and Millie is only allowed to have interactions with Moxxie. The B plot with Loona at the vet also didn't even need to be here or should've been massively trimmed down so we could get more substantial content from the actual story. And yeah the joke with Striker's statue was just off-putting and didn't fit the character.
Overall, this episode was just so...boring. Not terrible, not amazing, just...boring.
Oh, yeah. That's right. They never talk to Stolas. It's like everything that could make this show good was just not thought of. It really is just 1000 monkey's with type writings. They keep pressing the wrong keys.
@@avivastudios2311 I just don't get it. You set a situation up for Moxxie and Millie to go save Stolas from Striker (should've been Blitz with the setup from Harvest Moon but whatever) and yet they don't interact with him at all. Like, why even bother at that point? It could've been any two other characters and not much would change.
Something as simple as Millie comforting Stolas would add to her character and show that she's willing to treat someone with kindness other than Moxxie. And for Stolas, he'd see a prime example of a good romantic partner and realize just what he's done wrong regarding Stella and Blitz, leading to him getting fed up with Blitz's text at the end of the episode.
THAT would've been way more satisfying. But no. The characters just exist. They don't interact with each other. They just exist, do stuff for 20 minutes, and go back into the ether once it's over. These aren't characters, they're animated concepts at best.
@@jmaster4941 I wanna add something but you said it all. The characters are literally just pawns at this point - cogs in the machine - it sucks. The writers don't even care about their own story.
@@avivastudios2311 Maybe a decline in quality is maybe due to Hazbin hotel being the main project.
I'll do you better, why didn't Striker just kill Stolas off right away if that was his job? Stolas was lucky that he wasn't and waited until coincidentally Stella changes her mind. What a joke.
Striker was a highly anticipated character this season and his reintroduction is kinda lacking. The last time we saw him he was an extremely competent and threatening villain. Probably the most threatening villain in the series I would argue. But this episode kinda frames him as a joke through most of it. It's got tonal problems.
I like him like this personally
So glad other people are pointing this out. The new episode was so lack luster and I’m genuinely getting sick of how heavily sex jokes are relied on. I know it’s a comedic show but as I watch each episode as they come out, I feel more and more as if I’ve went back to 8th grade rather than sitting here being an adult watching a show for adults.
And it's like... the show had funny sex jokes in season 1. The whole scene with the teacher video calling her husband mid affair was darkly hilarious. But now it's became "haha sex lol" jokes.
The OG teen titans is way more "adult" than this edgy show. I decided to watch it all this year, and is really impressive how deep and dark this cartoon can be. There some moments that made me question how that show was defined as a show ment for kids. The Raven "arc" is one of the most chocking things i've seen in a "kids show". Meanwhile, HB is like something that my 13 years old self would watch.
The show wants to be a slice of life ireverent adult comedy but it also wants to be a character focused drama.
It wants to be an episodic adventure but it also wants this grand overarching plot where each episode ties into the next.
It wants these somber and powerful moments but consistently undercuts and ruins these moments with what’s usually a dick joke.
These are all things that can be balanced together but it is extremely difficult and the team has thus far proven they are not capable of doing such.
Poor pacing and use of time, jokes that are not only poorly timed but are becoming increasingly less funny. And just a lot of waiting for something to happen.
I can only hope hazbin hotel is able to stay more focused.
Because if not well then the only thing these shows will be remembered for is being one of the first major independent shows to be aired on RUclips. A cool thing don’t get me wrong. But probably not what the showeunners want long run…
I don't have anything to say.
@@hybridvenom9 aight. Fair.
There is also the normalization of abuse in the show.
The mafia ep was really good tho. Except for the last part when they cut Moxxie's character off
@@AnimatedTerror I meant to say i ran out of comet ideas but yeah I guess that works too
So Vivienne said that Hazbin is more female focused, but didn't she also say that she put the most effort into writing Angel Dust? Yknow, a guy?
If that isn't proof enough that she's making excuses then I don't know what is
It is, I don't buy her crap and I thought she was great and amazing.
Plus honestly Angel would be a better main character. He has a better connection to the story, has a reason to get better, and is generally a lot more interesting than Charlie imo. She's just,,, the one running the hotel.
@@shelbywright9134congrats, you listed 90% of main characters, congrats. want a medal?
I legit almost got doxxed because I had the gall to explain why a lot of people dislike Viv. The way they fandom reacts to any criticism is just pathetic and it’s not going to help the show or the fandom. The show won’t get better either which will harm HB in the long run. If the show doesn’t get better, it won’t bring in more fans. It’s popularity is already waning
Care to elaborate as to why a lot of people dislike Viv? Her childish response to legit constructive criticism has certain made me respect her a lot less as a creator.
Going after a person’s character is not the same. Especially when damn near every single claim has been blown out of proportion or straight up debunked.
@LlEUCU. BEAU× , Viv is bisexual and it's sad that she doesn't know how to properly write Lgbt characters....
That's...almost pitiful.
Jesus Christ, DOXXING?!?! What are these fans on, because it has to be stronger than cocaine!
Criticism isn’t hate, like calm the fuck down!
@@KurGuardianz She’s drawn CP, had a character who was a pedo and even made an OC inspired by a Nazi doctor. And that’s even all she’s done.
I think it’s absolutely hilarious that this show is so afraid to write women that they literally had to create a male character to mansplain to Stella why her plan was flawed lmao. There’s a difference between a show having strong male characters and it literally failing the bechdel test. Loona and Millie don’t interact, Stella and Octavia don’t interact, and when Loona and Via did talk, their discussion was about men, like, this is getting embarrassing
The show has passed the Bechdal test...but barely.
The things are valid except for the Stella part, clearly she’s not meant to be intelligent, and just cause another character has to tell her why her plan is flawed and you calling it “mansplaining” is so cringy. The show can do with some more effort put into millie, loona and via but Stella is fine
@@absolutelyliberated1357Stella would be fine if she was the only one like that. She’s meant to be a one note, abusive idiot and we can clearly see that. But when the other female characters have such little development as well, it makes it null. Cause she’s not any different than the other female characters in terms of development
@@absolutelyliberated1357 No, they're right, it once again highlight how female characters in this show only exist with the sole purpose of developing male characters, which in this case is making Andrealphus look competent. She doesn't have to be a genius, but this was the prime time to give her some character other than "abusive, screaming harpy thata exists to make you pity Stolas", and they STILL fumbled the bag.
No to be That Person, but why does the Bechdel test even matter?
To steal a phrase from good old tvtropes: the Villain Decay has really hit HB hard in Season 2, especially where Stella is concerned.
You can tell Stella is the writers' chewtoy because she's basically the only character in the recurring lineup who is axiomatically bad at everything. When I say axiomatically, I mean that every time Stella speaks in S2, she's wrong; always and forever. We're meant to sympathize with Stolas when she bullies him, and in contrast to 'hire a hitman to off my cheating husband' plot from S1, now it has to be pointed out to her (by a male character) that if she kills Stolas she gets nothing from it. I'd like this latest episode a lot more if Stella had gone full "I don't care if Octavia wins, I need Stolas to lose." But no, because then Stella would actually have a point about something. It normally wouldn't bother me to have a cartoon villain act like...a cartoon...but in a series where paid assassins and literal denizens of Hell can be complex and show emotions it's a disappointment that the evil ex-wife is so platonically Always Bad.
Beyond the issues particular to Stella, S2 as a whole is just so much more ham-fisted than S1. The comedy and the drama alike feel less punchy, more meandering, just kind of ambling on an on in efforts to force a reaction by dint of throwing everything at the wall. Striker feels significantly defanged and joked-up compared to his S1 appearance and it is truly wild that we get a 'resolution' to the Ozzie's fallout in a briefly-glimpsed text message history.
I don't know what happened. Maybe the determination to put S2 out after the long gap due to the S1 finale's issues is causing issues in the writers' room; maybe they just need more time to bake. If I had to wait an extra couple weeks to a month to get episodes as good as S1 was I'd be ok with that. As it is, HB really feels like it's running itself into the ground in an effort to keep up the momentum.
About the writing feeling more ham-fisted. Another odd change is that in season 1, several of the antagonists had sympathetic traits. We find out from the start that Verosika has good reason to hate Blitzo, and the last two episodes confirm that it was his fault that their relationship fell apart. Odds are the same will apply to Fizzarolli whenever we find out what happened between him and Blitzo. Striker had the understandable motivation of resenting how imps are treated as the lower class. Asmodeus and Fizzarolli were implied to be in a loving relationship despite their mockery of Moxxie's affection.
But season 2 goes out of its way to make the characters' dads as reprehensible as possible. And Stella isn't just evil, it feels like her entire existence revolves around hurting Stolas.
Exactly, and now the writers have reduced Stella to the level of a whining toddler so we cannot take her seriously as an antagoninst. She has zero power over Stolas and her relationship with Octavia is nonexistant.
I really hate what they've done with Stellas character. Her motivations don't even make sense to me anymore. Like, in season 1 she wanted her husband to die because he cheated on her with an imp. A little bit dramatic, but at least I understood her goal. Then in season 2 we learn that her marriage with Stolas was arranged, something she surely hated just as much as he did. So you'd think that she would just divorce Stolas as soon as Octavia was born, but no. She just sticks around because....she likes tormenting Stolas? Then why does she want to kill him? She can't torment him anymore if he's freaking dead. Wouldn't it make more sense for Stella to just ruin Stolas life by taking everything he has through the divorce? Stellas writing feels so inconsistent
ngl Stella carrys the show for me and even she has alot of she that sucks about her
@@snakesareamazing I think they just wanted an excuse for her brother to say something intelligent but accidentally making Stella seem like an idiot to do so.
I've seen it been said maybe once or twice, but genuinely, how did Viv get away with basically saying "Yeah, this is a male centric show so the girls will basically be props for the most part." There's no way in any manner a writer or show creator should be able to get away with that. At least some people are just blatant about it like when Kishimoto just said he can't write woman, but there's no way should be able to get away with that excuse and have fans parrot it. There's actually a huge example of just how poorly she's treating her female characters and obviously it's from Twitter. Crim's guard, the guy who doesn't do anything the entire show, was given a name; but Moxxie's mom, the thing that shaped him into who he is today, still hasn't been given one. Again, no one ever mentions this and it's actually insane.
It's worse than that. Alesso is at least presented as Crimson's right-hand man. But all of Crimson's various henchmen were also given names. I don't know why they gave them names but couldn't be bothered to come up with one for Moxxie's mom.
honestly, the take that you shouldn't critique the show because it supposed to be watched as a one full thing when it's finished doesn't work simply because spindle horse decided to publish it episode by episode themselves. I mean - why would you even choose a one episode at a time format if you expect people only to analyze the story when its fully finished
It's just a terrible argument in general. I've noticed that never works in reverse. Whenever someone praises a series, no one ever says "You don't know if it's gonna stay good! Wait until it's finished!".
I'm stuck in the middle
I still like the show enough that I'm willing (For now) to see how it ends, but... I'd be lying if the seasonal rot isnt getting to me. The difference between season 1 and 2 is getting more and more obvious
its like a car crash it just looks interesting but what is happening on it is not too appealing
@@jakoblent4694 to quote a guy "Kirbys transition from 2d to 3d was as smooth as a car crash"
@@jockdouglass3824 Wait no no no kirby the 3d game no time about kirby the forgotten land because that one was actually good and i don't know i actually know any other Kirby 3d games that i didn't hear about.
@@hybridvenom9 you know I quoted someone at Nintendo right?
@@jockdouglass3824 Yup
And to think fans were saying Vivzie would fix the show once she was writing an episode instead of Adam
Recently, whenever I talk about Hellova season 2, I call it "entertaining," not good. It's well animated, it's fun to watch, but it just... has so much that makes me determined to make my own writing better, in a bad way. I'm not really invested in the show at all anymore, I just wish that it was better.
Something I'll add to Stella and her character is that in a Vivziepop cast livestream, she said that after hearing Georgina Leahy's voice, she remarked she wanted to find something to utilise it for immediately. And comparing Lady Mingeworthy, the primary role she has in the Brandon Rogers Cinematic Universe, it feels like she's a toned down version of Lady Mingeworthy with the comedy of being a disgusting brit removed and just a boring character is left. As if she wasn't that well thought out beforehand and was just a way to get Goergina to yell.
Here are things I think the show needs to do in order to improve (my Helluva Boss wish list if you will)
1. Most of the episodes should relate to the imps running their business. I have never seen any other piece of media that ignores its own premise this much to go off the rails. It has been so long since the last episode that related to the characters doing their job in a show that is supposed to be a workplace comedy (that's what Viv called it in the announcement video). There can be episodes not related to the business, but those should be exceptions and a change of pace. Because the show pretends I. M. P. doesn't exist anymore, it has no focus and is basically about whatever Viv wants it to be about this week. Plus, the episodes where the characters are working and encounter interesting and funny characters and obstacles while they're doing it are good.
2. This is related to the last point. The Blitzo x Stolas will they, won't they should be the B Plot. It has become the A Plot at this point. And the more the show centers it, the more it becomes clear just how drawn out it is. There are two ways to write the will they, won't they trope: The good way (a lot of good romantic comedies) and the frustrating way (many sitcoms and bad romantic comedies). Helluva Boss is the latter at this point. It's hard to watch a show where the only reason to keep watching is a relationship that won't be happening any time soon. This would be a lot better if Blitzo x Stolas was a subplot, something that the show could slowly develop while the main plot is happening.
3. Character development should progress, not repeat or stall. Stolas and Octavia get the same arc in Seeing Stars that they got in Loo Loo Land. It's pretty much the same arc, with a little more Cats in the Cradle added in the second time. It would have been a much better episode if it built on the development that happened in Loo Loo Land instead of just repeating it. And I can say that to some extent that happens with all of the characters in the show, except for characters like Millie and Loona who don't get character development. I also feel like with Blitzo's development specifically the show leaves a lot of loose ends dangling. The temptation to join Striker doesn't seem to have a lasting impact on him. His falling out with Stolas in Ozzie's doesn't seem to have a lasting impact on him or his relationship with Stolas.
4. Let the women in this show do something interesting. "This show is the show about male characters" is a stupid excuse and we all know that. Loona and Octavia get some decent development, but Millie has gotten shit this entire time. Even in the episode where we meet her family, we don't learn anything about her.
5. Wrap up the loose threads efficiently. Helluva likes to stack loose threads on top of its old loose threads until eventually there is just a tangled pile of loose threads and a convoluted story. And sometimes multiple lose threads in the air for a while can be a good thing, but sometimes you just need to get the payoff out there as soon as possible. For example, the fallout after Ozzie's is something that should have started affecting Stolas and Blitzo's relationship in the very next episode. Don't delay the payoff for multiple episodes there.
6. Daddy issues isn't the only character arc in the world. Why does everybody in Hell have daddy issues? Can we at least get someone with Mommy Issues to balance things out?
man, it breaks my heart to see this show turning into this. I loved it in the beginning, and after Ozzie's, I was so hyped for a whole new season. Now I realize it might've just been better to end the show there instead of whatever the hell this season is.
Pun intended.
This season is just straight up fan service
Episode 1: oh look, babies, isnt that so cute wow!
Episode 2: hey look, its octavia, you guys like that character right
Episode 3: moxxie stands up for himself, hes so cool!
Episode 4: oooo look its striker, isnt he hot?!
Like im so mad at this baby ass show bruh, there needs to be more stakes, i dont know how many seasons they plan to make, and if this is the near end of the show then theres not nearly enough stakes, i was begging for striker to just kill stolas, to bring some sort of feeling to this dead end show, but no, he just gets injured, NOT EVEN CAPTURED, HE JUST GETS SENT TO A FUCKIN HOSPITAL, AND HOW MUCH YOU WANNA BET NEXT EPISODE HELL BE JUST FUCKIN FINE AGAIN
Sorry for my rant but you get the point
@@vincor9245 TRUTH. Fanservice everywhere. We'll never, ever get true goodness like episode 6 or 7. It's all been downhill and it makes me so sad to see.
@@vincor9245 Not at all
Episode 1: full on backstories and is importand and showed Stolas stand up for himself
Episode 2: gave more development for Loona Octavia and even Stolas
Episode 3: Moxxie backstory time and builts up a major villian
Episode 4: It shows Blitz and Loona bond more and shows Millie and Moxxie fighting a old enemy together
Yeath it is not straight up fan service
It is not a baby show, there are a lot of stakes as is, like 4 seasons, it is not near the end of the show, the stakes were literally raised as now Octavia is in danger
@@Mad_Ancient_Computer_700AD Not true at all. Not really. But we already got true goodness like episode 6 or 7. It is not all been downhill.
What I hate most is that none of the antagonists they’ve introduced are strong in and of themselves, they’re just methods of making the main cast look cooler, which is so cringe…
That's how I felt about Millie massacring Crimson's gang. It's a cool scene in of itself, but the on the other hand, we've seen this before. By this point, I'd be more interested in seeing antagonists that can actually give the characters a run for their money.
People in the comments of the episode are saying that Loona doesn't have any lines because Erica Lindbeck is taking time off to mourn her fiance, who unfortunately passed from cancer recently.
Seems like they should have just cut the pointless b plot entirely in that case, but hey, what do I know?
Especially since it’s centred around a hospital
Everything with Loone would've been 100 times more funny this episode if we just saw them enter the building and then leave at the end with the cone and the ice cream
I kinda wish they had moved it to another episode, just because the concept of Loona going to the vet has a lot of comedic potential.
Her getting a shot was definitely useless. And they use it as an excuse for Blitzo to not save Stolas. Huh? Couldn't they have made it something plot relevant like maybe the cherubs followed them into hell and are messing with their stuff. It could be as silly as the show wants to be while still having something important to do.
@@perro692 *I LEGIT SAID THE EXACT SAME THING 😭*
This is probably unrelated to whatever the video says, probably personal rant at this point, but.
Here I am a struggling-to-find-my-spark person trying my best to read accountancy, after deciding to derail off starting a career in laboratory work, and merely daydreaming about my little pet project at this point. And even I know to treat every character equally, male or female. They all deserve their own story, traumatised or not.
(Though the only issue my daydream pet project will have is that it involves the fact that almost everyone has died once, and hence ended up at where they be at, and thusly there will be some angst about wishing to have done something different in their past and whatnot, as well as probably more angst about the history of the place these unfortunate souls ended up at that affects their physiology, in the form of all possessing dual-egos.)
And yet we have this woman who went through ART SCHOOL, is doing art for a LIVING, has done 3 projects, 2 of which she abandoned ship the moment it started sinking, and after 13 whole damn years, still treats the female characters like they’re just a plot device for the male characters to even be interesting, when all is BACK TO SQUARE ZERO in the next episode.
I may see myself as straight as a pole, but I damn well don’t see gay couples as some mere fap material. I don’t even see the interest in Stolitz, and I know the show is forcing the two together despite both lacking chemistry,
but yet, I feel that Vivzie doesn’t even give the necessary basic respect to Stolitz with the way they’ve been written as a Wattpad gay couple in season 2. It actually sickens me.
I agree with this 100%
Wdym she abandoned proyects? Hazbin will release eventually
@@SickAKAevilitself uh you don’t know about Zoophobia and a cancelled show called Allison, do you? Allison was suppose to be an Alice in Wonderland show by Vivziepop but red all over.
@@cakefrosting6451
As far as I know that one was cancelled, not abandoned. There's a difference.
And if we count it, it'll be 4 proyects
I was super into the show in the first season, but I feel that it reached the 'rick and morty' level of quality where I'll watch if it I'm bored and have nothing else to do, but I'll come away feeling like it wasn't time well-spent.
The strongest emotion I feel when a new Helluva Boss episode comes out is the excitement of knowing that there will be a new Diregentleman video
About how criticism is not welcomed in the fandom:
Cartoonshi made a negative review of S2 a couple of days ago and he got the worst amount of ableist harassment out of all the fandoms he's gotten in hot waters with, so much so that he just vowed to quit the show and the fandom and never watch past S2Ep4.
And I think I quit too, I will not stand for death threats against genuine criticism.
The fans being unable to take criticism has made the divide between people speaking negative and the enjoyers further and will do the show more harm than good later. Poor Cartoonshi, his video was as nice as it need to be
@@fruitloops2058 Last time I checked it had a ratio of 3.2K likes to 76 dislikes so in conclusion it is a very solid video and not just mindless rambling as some have painted it to be.
What the fuck, really? What did they attack him on that was ableist?
"Hey, I think this show has some flaws."
"Oh okay, we'll just berate and bully you so you stop watching and supporting the thing we love with your views!
...Wait..."
@@lauramaue793 this sounds like a joke they would unironically put in the show /j
8:21
Yep, Viv actually did say this in a Twitter thread. And this is cap.
First of all, if this was really the case, why in the world would you make one of your main leads Female? Secondly, all of the male in hazbin characters have basically been given more more spotlight than the female characters. Now, you could say that they are just saving the lore and things for charlie and vaggie for when the show actually comes out. And yeah... That could be true... But it still shows that the male characters in hazbin have a thousand times more character than the female characters in helluva boss do.
When characters from a show that ISN'T EVEN OUT YET have more personality and development than characters from a show that's already on season two, you know you have a problem.
But y'know.... Because Hazbin/Helluva boss fans are Hazbin/helluva boss fans, they literally just eat up everything Viv says like it's candy.
Couldn’t Viv just have made Millie a side character, and the main team is just Blitz, Moxxie and Loona?
I feel like they could both benefit from this because ; Loona would get to do more and have more screen time (therefore more time for character depth) and Millie could just be “Moxxies cool wife” who occasionally gets involved with episodes, she has to be in Ozzies and she comes along in truth seekers to save Mox, and gets her first badass fight sequence,(maybe Blitz even invites her to join IMP?) and then there wouldn’t feel the need to dedicate an episode to her since she wouldn’t be that important to begin with, and could just never develop her if they wanted and most fans probably wouldn’t care as much, she would just need to be a kickass, loving undeveloped character she remains today. Just an idea
For Hazbin, I’m not going to judge it yet since it haz-en’t (get it?) come out yet. I’m hoping Charlie and Vaggie (and for other female characters like Cherri, Nifty etc) get better treatment in the official show, doesn’t mean I want Viz to neglect the guys since their cool too.
Sorry if this is too long, just ramblings xP
She has sm internalized misogyny and it shows
Good animation will not save you from bad writing. What I don't like about these indie shows like Helluva Boss, Hazbin, Murder Drones and maybe Lackadaisy etc, is just how short term, rushed and shallow they come across as. These artists do have passion, but if they want to make their ideas a series, then they really need to commit and think these things through in the long run. More often than not, the pilot episode is the very best you're going to get out of these shows and that's as far as they go - anything else beyond the pilot entry is usually not very well structured and ends up as a disjointed mess. Viewers are quick to praising them for the visuals, but they often ignore the apparent flaws and degradation of writing quality. And Before you know it, the creators of these shows will run out of ideas and burn out very quickly, no matter how much merch they shamelessly try to push out early on.
These videos are always a gut punch to me. Mostly because these series grew on me, very hard. I was from the pilot, and I couldn't possibly stop myself from supporting it as much as I could. I had so much hope for Vivzie, and I still do. I want it to be a good, funny show, with amazing characters, because I recognize the effort put into it. And these critics are always hurting me deeply, because they are true. I can't deny it, that isn't a good show, that isn't what I imagined it to be. A goofy series, that can maturely stop for a second, and talk about the difficult subjects. But no.
And maybe I was foolish to believe it. I will continue to watch this show, purely for my guilty pleasure, and to pick up flaws to never get them in my own future work.. and probably for this stupid drama, and how they resolve it.
I agree completely
Its only gonna get worse mate
The show is absolute dump from a writing perspective and it won't get better
i felt every word. :(
I hate that moxie told striker to choke him harder. It's such a lazy joke, one that they already did with Stolas but better, and it doesn't even slightly fit with Moxie.
Also why did this episode end like with such a dark note after everything that happened?
Thinking back didn't they do a similar joke in HH aswell?
@@davidc. yeah but that one was actually funny
@@noscopespider Yeah moxie's version was phoned in.
Also the guy thinking angel dust was his long lost son was a hilarious twist on what could have been just a tired sex joke.
The worst part for me is that I adore the concept of Millie as a character, and each new episode I sit hoping and wishing that she'll be given some development or even just some vague sad backstory like the other male characters and every single time they never do anything with her. I was hoping that since Moxxie and Millie were being sent to deal with Striker that they could give Millie some more development since she has directly been attacked by Striker before and all, but she does somehow less for the plot than usual. Like if anything Moxxie carries most of the violence of the episode making Millie feel even more redundant. I just want some Millie focus before I go bonkers.
That's what I said. Millie feels more like a plot device for moxxie now. I was hoping Millie got at least something to grow her character instead of just being this side girl character for bliz and moxxie
millie is starting to feel almost like moxxie's babysitter. it's frustrating to watch because i absolutely love her conceptually and seeing the complete lack of focus on her specifically is. uuuuUUUUUGH
Vivzie calling you guys out again! holy moly is she so pathetic, can't see the value of critique.
What you expect from someone who live their life on Twitter?
I love how she subtweets them and then lies and claims she never subtweeted them. TWICE. What an enigma.
@@Birdyboys Where?
Your criticisms are such a breath of fresh air
Thank you for fighting against the mindless fans and saying the truth lol
Bro I don’t think you can call fans mindless, their is good reasons for the show having fans, let’s not be stupid ok?
@@BSLyles i feel asthough im missing something, i see nothing wrong with helluva boss none of the episodes seems bad, i only see problems with millie
"Everybody else is wrong and I'm right"
@@BSLyles I would call them mindless in the sense that they see any criticism as hate. They think they have to see every episode as perfect or they’re not real fans. There definitely are reasons to like the show and it has earned its fan base but they overreact to any sort of criticism.
@@knowdaqueen177 oh yeah, I 100% agree with that I just feel like the way this guy said it was like not good
It's so disappointing seeing this show decline in quality this way, especially since I thought season 1 was absolutely fantastic. I really hope these issues don't pop up in Hazbin Hotel as well
It's written and created by the same girl, man. Those same issues are going to pop up in Hazbin Hotel.
Watching this show go down hill so quickly in terms of writing issues is really sad. Also there's been so much tonal whiplash and shifts in character personalities that seriously don't work and needed way more development!
Edit:Though I get Ericka Lindbeck wasn’t voicing Loona due to losing a loved one to cancer.
The whole "Helluva Boss is focused on males and Hazbin Hotel is focused on females" situation is bs. Hazbin Hotel is more focused on woman but we got a whole music video about Angel Dust's past but no other main characters like Charlie or Vaggie.I have a feeling they just threw Cherry Bomb in the music video because they where bored.
Im not going to lie, its a hot take, but im like over the stolas and blitz plotline anymore. Like this is the third ending that is just stolas sadly looking off in space....
You guys are speaking from a place of love. It is strange the immediate reaction is defense
Rabid fans confuse love with being yesmen. Love works both ways out of honesty.
Another idea: Stella and the Elsa looking demon could have had their little talk about not killing Stolas AFTER the assassination failed.
I mean, that's common sense 💀
The show is becoming like fanfiction of Helluva boss written by a fujoshi who wants gay drama
I find it ridculous that during the scene Stolas was being tortured he was just insulting Stryker and talking about how Blitz does worse in the bedroom.
Like yea i get Stolas gets up to freaky stuff.
But receiving stab wounds so deep they come out the other side of your body and having your legs broken yet your so un-phased by it that your still making jokes, just feels like bad writing to me.
Like not only should Stolas be going through great pain at this point but he may never be able to see his much loved Daughter or Blitz ever again and apart from two seconds of tears from Stolas and him giving one reaction to the pain we basically get nothing from it. Like i'm not expecting him to be crying a river or anything but i expected/wanted something more believable than what we actually got.
That's exactly what I thought too. Like, when Striker first stabbed him and then later pressed his foot on his wound, he screamed in complete agony (which is completely understandable) , but when Striker literally PIERCED the knife through his leg, his reaction was "Oh, Blitzy's knife is bigger~~"? Like it was so unneccessary xD They could literally replace that with Stolas just yelling in pain again and it would change nothing
@@LunarStarlightsArt yep.
And Stryker also broke Stolas other leg and he just made another bed Joke :/
Is Helluva Boss an episodic comedy with a floating timeline or a serious drama story with a continuous story?
Vivziepop: “Yes”.
Why isn’t it an Urban Grimdark?
Vivienne: “Yes.”
6:32 loona hasn't been saying anything because her va, Erika Lineback, lost her fiance to cancer and has been grieving.
That arguably makes this episode worse, Loona has been MIA for previous episodes before and nobody had any issue with it and it feels more respectful to cut her unnecessary subplot rather than just take away her characters agency
I think Stolas and Blitzo having knowing eachother since childhood is just wrong. Like I believed before season 2 ep 1 was that Stolas was so desperate for love that he would do it with anyone even a low ranking imp. But noooooo he had his eyes set for Blitzo since forever it feels like it was just there for the shippers not for the story.
They couldnt even get Norman Reedus back for Stryker. Its half the reason i loved that character so much.
And the whole Luna plotline is such a stale, childish joke. Haha, the dog doesnt wanna go to the Vet, but its funny because shes a wolf woman. My Gym Partners a Monkey ass humor
What I dont get is why they even let Norman Reedus voice Striker if they knew how expensive and unlikely it is for celebrity voice actors to return.
If they planned for Striker to be more than a one-off character and to focus on him, which they clearly do considering he’s still alive and we have a small hint of his backstory, the question becomes less ‘how come they cant get Norman back’ and more ‘Why did they even have Norman voice him to begin with’
It sucks because I really liked Reedus as Striker, but they clearly shouldnt have done it in the first place considering what they want to do with him as a reoccuring character
MGPaM is actually the better written show imo
Apparently Viv admitted that most of the show wasn't even outlined until after the pilot, which explains a lot.
I'm starting to lose a lot of interest in the show, not just because of the story losing some of its seams but because of Viv's tweets. Just today she got sassy at people who didn't particularly like her Beelzebub design. On one hand, yeah, it's her show, she can do what she wants, but when she's sprinkling in serious moments in a show that wasn't supposed to be taken seriously, I can see why people were expecting more Lord of the Flies and not Kesha's bee-fox fursona. (At least Stolas had the long legs and Asmodeus had the three heads -- Beelzebub's design just feels very out of place compared to other named Goetians so far.)
TLDR; came for the gore comedy animation. Got cheap drama and a growingly vindictive creator jabbing at critical fans. I'm very close to checking out.
Is it just me or does Stryker feel like a whole new character. When he first appeared he was a relaxed smooth talker who was good at his job. He still good at his job but now he perpetually sounds like he’s mad when talking to any other character, is literally his own number 1 dick rider now.
I still love this show but I also love hearing the criticisms that people are making because they are valid. And honestly makes me happy that it’s not just me who thinks that the writing is going down hill. Also about the excuse that helluva boss is a male centric show and hazbin is a female centric is just a lazy excuse to not give certain characters any development.
What now?
(This is just my opinion and if you still love the show I’m happy you do)
To me this episode was the nail on the coffin, I can forgive certain things like continuity, characters maybe trying to avoid problems, forcing in jokes, and other things but I’m finally at my limit where I can’t now. I really loved this show then the first season happened and was so excited to see what came next, season 2 episode 1 happened and I thought for the most part it was pretty good actually. Thought the meaning was good and the story flowed well but then I started really thinking about the whole picture. Why make Stella a one note abuser when she could have much more then that, why make the 2 “main characters” feel like “oh no we are so tragic and not bad at all” when they had more depth to them then just that. I was ok looking past it though because maybe it was a tiny bump but then the episodes just kept making the same mistakes over and over again and I’m really asking myself “What happened” but again I went “ok you know what I’ll see how it comes before saying anything”.
(Next Part Is going to be a lot so stop reading here if you are still a really big fan of the show)
Then the newest episode came out and was the point we’re I said “No it’s time I put my foot down”. I really said out loud why in the hell is Striker who is suppose to be a really threading villain who takes is job seriously letting Stolas call Blitz and tell him that he has Stolas! Like why? What’s the actual point in doing that if you want to kill him, that just makes you a very sloppy hit man. I also can’t believe how bad the pacing of everything has become in this show, it’s heart breaking that we use to have believeable timing for comedy and serious moments but now they get thrown together as one or totally forget how to do it! Example is Striker choking out Moxxie, it’s very serious and was legitimately scary to see but the second time Striker chokes him out? It’s played as a joke!
And please don’t tell me the “well he probably did that as a way to confuse him” because we shouldn’t have to guess that the case, we been guessing a lot of things just to make things fit. They can easily fix it by Moxxie saying like “I already learned from last time” or “Got you with that trick huh?” It’s not that hard to fix. The other point is the Stolas and Blitz “dynamic” now which isn’t even anything anymore, it’s just drama to be drama and don’t know what they want to do. In my opinion if I was legit almost killed by a Hit Man from my Ex Wife I would be warning my daughter and let everyone know what the hell happened then going “awww man he didn’t text back” it makes me so disappointed what happened to this show. I do still love the animation, the team, the effort to make it look good, and all that this does for people. For me now though I think I’m done with Helluva Boss and I hope things will only get better.
"because we shouldn’t have to guess that the case, we been guessing a lot of things just to make things fit"
Huh?
@@dylansharp8471 They mean that fans have been having to come up with their own explanations to explain away parts of the show that don't seem to make sense.
I’m not one that gets angry. But one thing that makes my blood boil is when talented individuals (in Helluva Boss’s case Voice actors and animators) are wasted because of poor writing and story telling. I don’t hate Helluva Boss but season two, despite having some decent moments and ideas, has disappointed me. And I hate it because I want to see this show consistently succeed. I love the characters, I love the I.M.P crew, I love Stolas, I love most of the villains. But it’s depressing to see what season two is rn. In fact I’m going to try to fix up season two in fanon wiki.
ITS SO DISAPPOINTING BUT PLEASE LET ME SEE WHAT YOU FIX UP! I WANT TO SEE BECAUSE IM SAD RN
@@juliajoneschung5558 I’ll let u know when I start episode one
@@juliajoneschung5558 I’m starting to write the first episode. Just type in Helluva Boss Season Two: Celentano Edition
@@middleman5484 THANK YOU
@@juliajoneschung5558 np
It’s such a shame bc I am a huge fan and I think the show has tons of potential but all that’s being washed down the drain. I haven’t entirely given up hope yet.
I have
I've given up entirely. Stopped watching back in season 1
I have no idea how they are supposed to end this story in any satasfying way. They introduced so many characters, dont wanna sound to negative, but that is a problem that already shows up, especially now with striker being just this boring paid killer with no real motive
vivzie needs to get a better team of writers, man.
Vivzie needs a writing course
How they turn Stella from a distressed wife that could be nuanced and deep into a irredeemable dumb biatch; or write an episode where Stolas is going to die POW style meanwhile Blitz gets Loona a shot at vet - I don't even.
@@cortomaltese5206Vivienne needs a career fr
Helluva boss peaks when it sets up interesting plot threads
Then it falls flat because it doesn't know how to execute them, and when they do it is done is such a simple one note way.
Season 2s peaks are weaker than season 1s lowest (C.H.E.R.U.B)
At least with Cherubs there could be a built on the Hell and Heaven conflicts and whatnot, now I barely see anything other than BS personal relationship drama.
Even I will say, that episode made me call it quit. -Andrealphus appeared with no introduction
-The really bad pacing between going serious to instantly cut to a funny
-the Jarring fight sequence
-Strikers turned into a Stella's goon. Which I found it funny that he had a speech about hating the high class people..
While working with a high class person
-And honestly, I dont want the Blitzo x Stolas to become a reality, they are way too broken, Stolas does not need him.
I tried to enjoy and ignore the flaws, but the flaws were becoming bigger that I couldnt lie to myself
And also, I have to owe you an apology, I thought you were being dramatic for calling it bad for just one episode... And you were right after all
I'm quitting with you bud
I’m in the same boat with y’alls feelings! I was so invested in season 1, it had some flaws but overall it was an enjoyable experience. Season 2 is actively undermining the punch of those earlier episodes by not fleshing out characters (especially the female coded ones) or over saturating characters backstories. Honestly when Stolas and Blitz were revealed to have known each other as children it made their relationship weaker in my opinion! Felt waaaay too tropey. I’m going to keep watching as the animation is becoming quite stellar but I’m definitely starting to check out on the writing/plotline.
Season 2 almost hurts to watch in way.
They had something that could of been great
Watching this show has taught me more than anything else that the OC adventures I play out in my head should NOT be an animated show. As complex and interesting as they and their tragic backstories are to someone who’s seen them through their creation, a group of askblog-level OCs does not a compelling cartoon make, let alone a FRANCHISE. some stories are better off shared with a few close friends, or kept to oneself completely. I hate how second nature it is to fantasize about all the ways you can one day, if you’re lucky, monetize your middle school daydreams.
I hope one day we live in a world where stories are treasure and not currency. maybe then it will be easier to keep some for ourselves.
Yeah but look how popular
I mean, its also nice to write out your ideas and post them for youself and the few who are interested. But i agree it shouldnt be a whole animated series with plushies and an ill equipped production team. Instead, you can tell your story in writing or as a comic to help explore your creative process.
You can still do that!! Just. Yknow, time and polish and have lots of other people look it over. All stories were characters in someones head at one point right?
@@jaredbumblecrum i don’t think you guys get what i’m saying. i don’t want to do that. my characters wouldn’t make a good show, they’re at their core characters that, without changing them to the point of unrecognizability, would not work tha to way! they’re formed out of years and years of daydreams and roleplay servers. And i don’t want them any other way. i think i like keeping some things to myself.
we as artists are so tragically pressured into monetizing every thought we have, and i often fantasized about how my characters would make a good show. but i don’t want a show anymore. I want to keep my treasures on a shelf in my mind. forever.
@@toonydotloony ohhhh! Okay! Fair enough. I misunderstood what you were saying there
I still viv and team for making a genuine decent show for free on youtube. Season 1 was genuinely great but had it's flaws. I feel like ever since S2 E2 people have noticed the huge dip in quality. If it's because of juggling hazbin and helluva at once I'll forgive them but I do hope they can turn things around and still give us a good show
I also want to believe in helluva boss too. I feel like all the criticism is warranted but it's like dayum what y'all want them to do rewrite the script they did since 2021?! It already took them so LONG to these episodes out + a consist schedule while also working on hazbin hotel. Once again, no show is above criticism but if anyone wants to see the writing improve at least wait till season 2 ends and when hazbin hotel finally airs maybe helluva boss can take a break and come back stronger imo
If Viv really was struggling that bad she should hand the writing over to someone she trust and just take the directing role. She stressing herself more than she needs to
@@aaunyea4799this
This is what happens when you don’t have filler episodes: a show forgets what it’s about, and doesn’t feel grounded in it’s setting any more.
I agree with everything you guys said, but I have to point out that the reason Loona didn't have any lines in this episode was because her voice actress just lost her fiance to cancer so she's taking a break.
You hit the nail on the head with the daddy doesn't belive in me comment.
Stolas, moxxie and blitz are riding that trope.
I have a massive respect for you guys now. Vivzie lost her mind about your video on twitter last time and you still make a new video critisizing the show. Very cool
It’s bc they genuinely care about her work and want to see her thrive. There’s no ill will and they even mentioned how they’re worried hate will become more prevalent towards the show bc of the defensive bubble it’s in
@@Grimexx955 I know but I also know that Vivzie doesn't see it that way and might have another breakdown on twitter about Dire's new video. Which is really immature and shitty of her
(Also a W Clay pfp)
@@truefrog4599 Yeah I totally expect that too. And Ty Moral Orel is a great show 😄
@@Grimexx955hate will always come to the show because it's popular, hell. how many times have you seen mindless hate towards the show without actual criticism?
Reminds me of Seven Deadly Sins offering me a good idea of a story about a crew of anti-heroes but ending up in either predictable mediocrity or gringe.
HezuNeutral has some great videos talking about the same issues everyone's been bringing up as well. Still rooting for the show, but something's gonna give eventually.