While Jeff Bezos is a monster and hack, Amazon Prime Video does carry a couple great shows which fortunately Jeff has nothing to do with. Check out my review of Invincible here: ruclips.net/video/Q6GEnymmZ_s/видео.html
He is right about the violence. That's my favorite part. Horimiyas best moments are when he tries to be abusive to her and how excited she gets about it every time. Even though it's really hard for him and he's really trying and he barely does anything and she practically ahegoes all up in there.
"A good main part (the beef part, or chicken etc.)" "A nice compliment (mashed potatoes and veggies)" "Take special requests well (no onions)" "Good drink compliment" "Urge for seconds" "Cooked to perfection" "Fun seasonings" "Spice!" "Positive emotions" "...violence"
Lily orchard: hyper specific rules that punish creativity Jeff bezos: in offensive broad and boringly commercial writing advice Legit the best writing dynamic we will ever see from these two.
@@gigablast4129 What about a coffee shop super hero AU about an angry trans woman having to work with a hyper capitalist to save the world from boiling coffee being poured over the continent (featuring Arizona and California)
Now I'm remembering an skinemax movie I watched decades ago about a male erotic-fiction writer who's tired of all the escapism in his line of work. His editor pair him up with a female writer who is his opposite on the logic that they will complement eachother (he is good at characterization, but his stories a boring, she has thrilling plots, but her characters are onedimentional). In the end the two don't hook up or anything because this was clearly just some screenwriter using the lack of quallity control of softcore productions to whine about people not appreciating the right literature or something... what was my point? One Lily Orchand isn't enough to balance Jeff Bezos's executive meddling, it will require two or three Lily Orchands
Here are my 5 easy tips on how to make a good story: 1. Make good characters 2. Make a good plot 3. Make a good world 4. Make it entertaining 5. Make it good
@@eldritchabomination9726 My God you haven't gone to writing school have you? You've mastered all knowledge needed to make a good story just like that!
"A heroic protagonist who experiences growth and change" Other obvious hot takes from Jeff Bezos: - Water is wet - The sky is blue - Amazon Warehouse employees are overworked and undervalued - Diregentlemen channel is the best RUclips channel
@@bepisthescienceman4202 if things die when killed, then we still have a chance against Bezos that's way more general than "human" or "living being" only one of which he can be debated to be
I remember when Dragon Ball Super had a crossover with Dr Slump (I think it was in an OVA). Vegeta complained about how overpowered the characters of old gag-comedies are and how that's not fair
The Incredible Hulk once fought the U-Foes, one of them has the power to push things. Hulk was harder to push away than reality itself so reality was pushed away. Popeye can survive without a reality but Hulk's stronger than an entire reality itself, checkmate atheist.
@@JasonGodwin69 I remember Dragon Ball (without the "Z") was a comedy adventure. In one issue of the manga Goku shoots an energy blast that bounces of the edge of the panel and hits his enemy from behind
A compelling antagonist has taken my slabs of raw meat and put them on the top shelf of the fridge. As a heroic protagonist with hidden abilities who experiences growth or change, I need to do something because the steaks are too high
Ngl I forget that certain pieces of literature only take place in one or two spots. Literally the first act of The Crucible (the play version, not the movie) only takes place in Parris’ house and there is no change of setting whatsoever until act 2.
Jeff Bezo’s advice really sounds like he has never watched a show, like making a book report on a book you never read. Yes, it does have a beginning, there sure are words on the pages, god I love this middle part and ohh there was an ending! Certainly it was a book! Such a book has never been read before, it is exactly like all other books! A success!
Sidenote all the advice could stem from Jeff simply observing your average Amazon Warehouse EXCEPT for the Diverse World-building. The protagonist is a worker, Jeff Is the antagonist, stakes are high, there’s definitely violence and emotions both negative and good and gallows humor certainly thrives in the dirt of their dead co-workers. It’s epic.
But what about protaganists with negatives changes? Characters can fall morally and pyschically from their starting point and it can be really compelling. Starting it off with "growth and change" erases the the oppisite effect as well.
You can have a story take place in a single room and STILL have "diverse worldbuilding" in the story. The fact that Jeff thinks the world is defined by the landscapes and not the people living in it is very telling.
"Don't go after Lily because she had bad opinions on XYZ" While I fully agree on that, please don't act like that's the worst she's done when she gaslights people, has misgendered a transman to make his criticisms of her seem less valid, and has said the best way to stop a bully is to escalate it to assault with a weapon, which is ESPECIALLY damaging advice when her audience is largely teenagers in high school. Is she as bad as a shitbag like Bezos? No. Does she have a body count? No. But that doesn't suddenly make her a good person.
yeah, i agree that muckraking using old videos or posts is a low blow, but there's a difference between dredging old shit up from the water under the bridge just to start drama vs pointing out a public figure's history of irresponsible and harmful behavior that they haven't apologized for or addressed. in the end the net damage bezos has done to humanity far outweighs lily orchard's problems, but that doesn't mean people can't criticize her. it would be great if we could start at bezos and work our way down the ladder of shitbags until we hit lily, but the reality is that only one of the two is going to see your mean tweets, and it's not the multi-billionaire
>Jeff Benzos Writing Tip >one of them straight up "Violence" Aight okay, aside from it probably being hella funny, that legit sounds hella disturbing? Like, damn, who hurt his Prof Xavier looking ass to the point he wholy believe a story need to be explicitly violent to be compelling?
@@theshamurai5767 yeah I totally agree. Violence on its own is fine, it's still just hella weird that Bezos laser focus on this concept, in somewhat a vacuum, as essential for a good story. Like, cynical way to see it is because flashy shocking violence sells so of course Bezos gonna pin point that and conflate it as one reason a story is "good". It's monetarily profitable. Then again considering dude's dictatorship toward his workers he probably just find wanton violence hot.
A vampire is right about to get his unmentionables punctured... You can't tell if he's terrified or really cocky, because he keeps saying: "The stakes are too low!"
Jeff's writing advice actually doesn't betray that he's never written anything it just shows that he's only written one type of work, feature lists for the engineers to handle.
I don't understand why people can't grasp how to paint classical masterpieces it's a simple formula: A compelling composition Exaggerated realism Realistic lighting Good Rendering Bro, just do it. It's not hard.
This video made me realize why so many Isekais fall into the same pitfalls (boring Mary Sue lead characters, generic worlds, etc.): they are all written with the premise of "how would it be to live in a videogame world" ignoring the fact that most videogames have mediocre to bad stories and interactivity is what makes them engaging. Turn the active player into a passive reader/watcher and the overpowered specialness of the main character become a lot less compelling... It takes out all the fun of having the steaks to high
Guidelines can be helpful, but they're most definitely not universal. To almost every specific rule you can put to storytelling, there's a good chance there's a compelling story out there that breaks it.
7 Samurai, one of the greatest movies of all time. Has very small stakes. A single village in rural Japan will starve unless the heroes succeed, and yet we care very deeply about the outcome
So, with the "compelling antagonist", for much of LOTR, the antagonist is sauron aand the Nazgull (or however you spell it). And they aren't very compelling. They are big an evil and have a lot of lore, but much of that is only hinted at in the books. Sauroman and gollum and grima are fairly compelling, but they aren't the primary antagonists, and aren't around for all of the story. Ain't seeing anyone saying those are bad.. And for that matter, wish fulfillment doesn't fit that much. Frodo arguably yes. Magic ring, shirt, quite resistant to evil, but he isn't particularly special. Samwise certainly isn't, he's just tagging along. By which i of course mean dragging frodo by the scuff of his neck through the entirely of middle earth. Merry and pippen do technically get wish fulfillment in that they become rather tall. For hobbits. Gimli is also not particularly wish fulfillment, because he's just a dwarf. He's a very respectable dwarf, son of one of company of Thorin oakenshield, and he manages to convince an elf queen who is quite literally older than the moon to give him her hair, but just a dwarf. Aragon is wish fulfillment. Him an gandalf. And finally: if this is someone's first video on the channel, they will be incredibly confused when you said "the angel dust video". That was long. I might be wrong about some things. Doubt I'm entirely wrong though.
I think we need to replace "writing advice" with another word. These "advices" from all these people are so vague, that your own imagination needs to make sense for it. It's useless.
It should not be “writing advice” it should be, “imposingly my subjective taste like it matters, cause i think i'm a big deal” the one thing i give people like Lilly orchard some credit, is that a lot of the rules that lilly has that is not just vague/spite posting is based on her own words that she wants to see something different because everyone does the same thing and or does it poorly. so she’s actually trying to better creativity, by ironically stifling it with her personal taste meanwhile bezos has no authority, and no real desire to better things he’s just on an ego trip.
@@mckenzie.latham91 I can agree to this. Both have terrible tipps, but Lily‘s goal is at least to make art better and not exploit and recycle things,just because ist sells.
My geography lessons compell me: cultures and politics and stuff are included under the field of geography, it's not just rocks. There is a lot of rocks. But that incudles talking about why people are throwing the rock's.
I think my favorite tip was Jeff's take on world building. Variety of scenery is nice but...similar geological location with key differences like building conditions or designs or how people living there adapted is compelling. Readers will remember key differences, even if it was several robot societies where the only difference was what number or color they used on themselves or their surroundings. The steaks are too high!
"Jeff Airlines" sounds like a 70s or 80s TV show, a mix between The Invaders and The Incredible Hulk. You have a lone moody protagonist on the run (with an authority figure always on their feet), with a recurring enemy (the aliens), a gimmicky superpower that's easy to convey by recycling footage of him using it in previous episodes (turning people into guns), and an structure that allows to many memorable one-episode guest stars (arrive to new country, there's a problem, aliens are behind the problem, kill the aliens so the problem is fixed, get a clue of what the next country to visit will be... Oh no! Is Authority Figure Man with the local airport security guards! Will Jeff take his next plane before they get to him? Find out next week!)
Much like the incredible books written by Andrew Sajpowski (his second name is polish and my copies of the books are in another room so i can't check the spelling, apologies).
Here I am. Writing a comic (based on one of Henry Galley's fantastic wholesome anime turned horror pitches). Listening to this video which is showing me what not to do for the work (Off topic dw I will give you credit for the idea)
@@henrygalley2831 it was really hard since they're all amazing but we ended up choosing the concept of the girl whose pretending to have a relationship with the serial killer. We really only have the title: That Time I Dated a Serial Killer
Even the “diverse worldbuilding” bit sounds like a video game. If having a variety of biomes is good worldbuilding, then New Super Mario Bros. Wii must have the greatest worldbuilding of all time.
Man that section about Lily Orchard aged like MILK. And honestly it’s not like this was all new info. Victims have come out about this in the past, people should have listened.
Here are my epicly epic pieces of writing advice that can make any writing epic 😎 - Pretty colors - Scenes - Cool Characters - Endings - Awesome Twists - Dialouge - Sensational settings - Words
jeff bezos is the last person i would take any form of advice from, if he can’t manage employees as actual humans then why the *hell* would i listen to him.
really gotta hand it to jeff he kinda went off with that "violence" tip like thanks dude i'll keep it in mind and the steaks are too high. that's enough feeding edibles to cows for one lifetime
I think a pretty good edit to the "hero protagonist" rule is more like: Make choices about your protagonist that are relevant to the themes of the story as a whole. Are they are a hero? Do they experience growth and change? And what do those choices mean to the narrative as a whole. Having answers to those questions -even potentially "bad" answers- is more compelling than not making choices in this regard.
Also, regarding the whole cliffhangers point, I think it's really important for writers to realize that they are a tool to be used when they serve the narrative well. So many cliffhangers feel unearned bc they are used cheaply and seemingly for the whole point of "urgency to watch the next episode" which is pretty much the worst way to use them. I think the best cliffhangers in episodic form storytelling don't happen at the end of an episode. The point of a cliffhanger is unresolved tension over a period of time to percolate in an audience's mind, and especially in an era of binging shows, that means that spacing out the indicident point of the cliffhanger from the resolution within the narrative is both more satisfying to the story (since it isn't as likely to feel cheap), and ensures that the audience will have roughly the same amount of tension time no matter when they are experiencing the story.
Some stories also don’t need an antagonist and they don’t have to be compelling you can just have basic antagonist and the story focuses on other things
Knowing a thing or 30 about Lily, I can say, the thing that stops her from having a high bodycount, is not her person, but how little power she has. If she had anywhere near Bezos power, she'd have a gigantic bodycount. (I have talked to some of her victims.)
I mean between guard break and ends over easy, it’s kinda easy to see how much she uses her persecution to justify her beliefs and actions. The world might be fucked up but at least people like her, onision and vegan teacher don’t have power
On the matter of Urgency to Watch, there's a few ways to do that. The cheap and easy and annoying way is via cliffhangers. Not really a fan. >_> A compelling narrative will keep people watching; and even in episodic content, you can have a throughline that pulls people in. The most difficult, and most fulfilling, is to write characters that people want to watch and will come back to see more of.
i just keep thinking about the paddington movies whenever i hear that a main character HAS to change. like nah nah sometimes their impact on others is enough
I feel like if you can’t get people to want to watch your show without having to resort to the overuse cliffhangers, it might not be a good show. Edit: Hard agree on cliffhangers used for two-parter stories.
Funny you mention Castlevania as having great stand out episodes since I think the show has a lot of slow burn and is much better taken as a whole personally.
Yes! I think most people either found you from the first 2 writers video, or one of your hellva boss videos. Edit although the videos like the horror iceberg I think are better and funnier, these are also funny and informative. (also I know no one ask for my opinion sorry lol)
Also - the way the guy writing this biography about bezos talks about shifting disciplines reminds me of a North Korean journalist talking about all the many amazing skills and talents of Kim jong il
hey hey hey hey so a farmer has this prize winning cow right. and he grazes this cow on purely cannabis fields, and a lot of people were curious as to why, and he said it was because the competition was high steaks.
How many of these tips just don't apply at all to The Boys, one of Amazon's most successful produced shows? Heroic protagonist? Well, nothing really heroic about them, they go around fighting Superheroes by engaging in cancel culture and straight-up kidnapping people, they're basically just the bad guys but for the right reasons. Worldbuilding (many locations)? I mean, it's Earth, but the whole thing mostly takes place in the city outside of a handful of points where they go out to sea or something. There's not exactly a huge load of unique vistas. Positive Emotions? KIND-OF? But that's absolutely not the point of the show, it's designed to be extremely cynical. It's rare to see anyone just be happy, most of it's about a group of people struggling to take down a bunch of power-hungry greedy dirtbags. Are the steaks even really that high? The result of failure is just kind-of not-Superman creating and then killing a bunch of terrorists? Things would mostly just go back to normal, the one big thing is that these people are really shitty and need to be kicked down a peg for being manipulative assholes. Like the real steaks are SUPER personal, like avenging someone's death or stopping not-Superman from murdering the heroes.
I love diverse world building aka. different geographic landscapes. its like a child like understanding of the term. "Diverse world building? that must be talking about the physical locations story". It shows you can be the richest man in the world and still not know shit about what you are talking about some subjects.
I feel like Jeff Bezos says you should have such high steaks because he can't bring himself to care about the struggles of individual characters, as evidenced by his business practices i don't know if i said this in a way that makes sense basically the man just lacks any sympathy
While Jeff Bezos is a monster and hack, Amazon Prime Video does carry a couple great shows which fortunately Jeff has nothing to do with. Check out my review of Invincible here: ruclips.net/video/Q6GEnymmZ_s/видео.html
Much like Jeff Bezos, Invincible loves Violence
He is right about the violence.
That's my favorite part. Horimiyas best moments are when he tries to be abusive to her and how excited she gets about it every time.
Even though it's really hard for him and he's really trying and he barely does anything and she practically ahegoes all up in there.
"If you ever try to unionize so you can pee in a toilet instead of a water bottle, you're a huge turd." - Jeff Bezos
I'm just replying so you can see how much likes you got
Lily Bezos.
These are the literary equivalent of telling aspiring chefs the way to be a really good chef is to "cook really good and use ingredients"
"A good main part (the beef part, or chicken etc.)"
"A nice compliment (mashed potatoes and veggies)"
"Take special requests well (no onions)"
"Good drink compliment"
"Urge for seconds"
"Cooked to perfection"
"Fun seasonings"
"Spice!"
"Positive emotions"
"...violence"
ingredients for a good meal:
-an amount of a food
-flavorings (probably)
-edible and nutritious objects
“Buy low, sell high.”
Lily orchard: hyper specific rules that punish creativity
Jeff bezos: in offensive broad and boringly commercial writing advice
Legit the best writing dynamic we will ever see from these two.
I would watch a show written by these two just to see the result
@@gigablast4129 What about a coffee shop super hero AU about an angry trans woman having to work with a hyper capitalist to save the world from boiling coffee being poured over the continent (featuring Arizona and California)
They contrast each other so well that I can almost picture them being a comedy duo. Almost.
Todd and Riley
Now I'm remembering an skinemax movie I watched decades ago about a male erotic-fiction writer who's tired of all the escapism in his line of work. His editor pair him up with a female writer who is his opposite on the logic that they will complement eachother (he is good at characterization, but his stories a boring, she has thrilling plots, but her characters are onedimentional). In the end the two don't hook up or anything because this was clearly just some screenwriter using the lack of quallity control of softcore productions to whine about people not appreciating the right literature or something... what was my point? One Lily Orchand isn't enough to balance Jeff Bezos's executive meddling, it will require two or three Lily Orchands
Here are my 5 easy tips on how to make a good story:
1. Make good characters
2. Make a good plot
3. Make a good world
4. Make it entertaining
5. Make it good
In other words: write good, plot good, good
@@eldritchabomination9726 My God you haven't gone to writing school have you? You've mastered all knowledge needed to make a good story just like that!
"A heroic protagonist who experiences growth and change"
Other obvious hot takes from Jeff Bezos:
- Water is wet
- The sky is blue
- Amazon Warehouse employees are overworked and undervalued
- Diregentlemen channel is the best RUclips channel
just basic epic facts
true, also nice pfp
Whoa whoa whoa, Jeff wouldn’t say one of those! Jeff would argue that water isn’t wet!
-things die when killed
@@bepisthescienceman4202 if things die when killed, then we still have a chance against Bezos
that's way more general than "human" or "living being"
only one of which he can be debated to be
9:45 Popeye was once literally unaffected by God flipping a switch that turns off reality. He would annihilate Goku.
Reminds me of that fan comic of Bugs Bunny defeating Thanos via the use of cartoon logic. You just can't against those guys.
I remember when Dragon Ball Super had a crossover with Dr Slump (I think it was in an OVA). Vegeta complained about how overpowered the characters of old gag-comedies are and how that's not fair
The Incredible Hulk once fought the U-Foes, one of them has the power to push things. Hulk was harder to push away than reality itself so reality was pushed away. Popeye can survive without a reality but Hulk's stronger than an entire reality itself, checkmate atheist.
@@Mario_Angel_Medina lmao remember when DBZ was a gag comedy?
@@JasonGodwin69 I remember Dragon Ball (without the "Z") was a comedy adventure. In one issue of the manga Goku shoots an energy blast that bounces of the edge of the panel and hits his enemy from behind
As someone who isn't a native english speaker, I've never heard "steaks are too high" and it was HILARIOUS
This delights me!
A compelling antagonist has taken my slabs of raw meat and put them on the top shelf of the fridge. As a heroic protagonist with hidden abilities who experiences growth or change, I need to do something because the steaks are too high
I hate but also love you right now...
"Jeff Bezos's EPIC Writing Advice"
never thought I'd see that phrase.
Step 1: Get someone else to write it
Step 2: Don't pay them
38:54 A protagonist experiencing love, joy, and hope can be considered wish fulfillment for an Amazon worker
Jeff:
"You need diverse landscapes!"
All the highly influential novels that took place in only one setting:
"Am I a joke to you?"
No Exit by Sarte be like
Notes from the Underground be like
Twelve Angry Men be like
Gormenghast be like
Moby Dick be like
Ngl I forget that certain pieces of literature only take place in one or two spots. Literally the first act of The Crucible (the play version, not the movie) only takes place in Parris’ house and there is no change of setting whatsoever until act 2.
War of the Worlds and its various adaptations that typically take place in one city or town: confused tripod noises!
"A compelling antagonist"
Mhhh yes the floor is made out of floor
Jeff Bezo’s advice really sounds like he has never watched a show, like making a book report on a book you never read. Yes, it does have a beginning, there sure are words on the pages, god I love this middle part and ohh there was an ending! Certainly it was a book! Such a book has never been read before, it is exactly like all other books! A success!
Sidenote all the advice could stem from Jeff simply observing your average Amazon Warehouse EXCEPT for the Diverse World-building. The protagonist is a worker, Jeff Is the antagonist, stakes are high, there’s definitely violence and emotions both negative and good and gallows humor certainly thrives in the dirt of their dead co-workers. It’s epic.
He literally is the kind of guy whose so rich, he pays people to watch shows and media for him...
But what about protaganists with negatives changes? Characters can fall morally and pyschically from their starting point and it can be really compelling. Starting it off with "growth and change" erases the the oppisite effect as well.
I came to the comment to see if someone had pointed this out. A "Fall" story can be very good too.
You can have a story take place in a single room and STILL have "diverse worldbuilding" in the story. The fact that Jeff thinks the world is defined by the landscapes and not the people living in it is very telling.
"it's over diregentleman i have the high steaks" -Jeff Bezos
I'm curious how can we show you our stories to be loved or memed on like lily orchard
Oh its the h*orny man hi h*orny man
@@gigablast4129 Everyones favorite H*orny man
I too wish to be dunked on by the writers.
@@rykx0r hey, I am NOT one to kink shame friend
Honestly I'd love to make a list and watch them tear into it horny lioness.
Being a billionaire doesn't mean you're worth something haha xD
it should
but it doesn't
This reminds me of how my dad would give me 'advice' when playing videogames. "Don't get hit." "Beat the bad guy."
"Don't go after Lily because she had bad opinions on XYZ"
While I fully agree on that, please don't act like that's the worst she's done when she gaslights people, has misgendered a transman to make his criticisms of her seem less valid, and has said the best way to stop a bully is to escalate it to assault with a weapon, which is ESPECIALLY damaging advice when her audience is largely teenagers in high school. Is she as bad as a shitbag like Bezos? No. Does she have a body count? No. But that doesn't suddenly make her a good person.
She misgendered another trans person? Damn...
yeah, i agree that muckraking using old videos or posts is a low blow, but there's a difference between dredging old shit up from the water under the bridge just to start drama vs pointing out a public figure's history of irresponsible and harmful behavior that they haven't apologized for or addressed. in the end the net damage bezos has done to humanity far outweighs lily orchard's problems, but that doesn't mean people can't criticize her. it would be great if we could start at bezos and work our way down the ladder of shitbags until we hit lily, but the reality is that only one of the two is going to see your mean tweets, and it's not the multi-billionaire
also she's been accused of SA so
>Jeff Benzos Writing Tip
>one of them straight up "Violence"
Aight okay, aside from it probably being hella funny, that legit sounds hella disturbing?
Like, damn, who hurt his Prof Xavier looking ass to the point he wholy believe a story need to be explicitly violent to be compelling?
Jeff gets up every morning and chooses violence
My man has never seen slice of life ever
@@theshamurai5767 yeah I totally agree. Violence on its own is fine, it's still just hella weird that Bezos laser focus on this concept, in somewhat a vacuum, as essential for a good story.
Like, cynical way to see it is because flashy shocking violence sells so of course Bezos gonna pin point that and conflate it as one reason a story is "good". It's monetarily profitable.
Then again considering dude's dictatorship toward his workers he probably just find wanton violence hot.
Jeff Bezos is basically Lex Luthor. The dude has such a massive ego about himself that he thinks he can do anything.
They both bald too
Yeah he’s like Lex Luthor except without the high IQ
Meanwhile Elon musk is basically the real-life Hugo Drac from james bond's Moonraker.
Not to mention that the two biggest Amazon Original shows involve “what if Superman was actually the bad guy” as a main premise.
He’s Lex Luthor without being an evil genius who fights superheroes and invents super tech. He’s just a greedy ass with too much money.
@@mckenzie.latham91 Really? Musk looks more like Mads Mikkelsen when he played Le Chiffre.
This feels like how a corporate overlord thinks you tell stories to maximize profits
Also the steaks are too high
"Feels like" or "is"
The steaks are too damn high!
A vampire is right about to get his unmentionables punctured...
You can't tell if he's terrified or really cocky, because he keeps saying:
"The stakes are too low!"
Brilliant. Not funny though
Jeff's writing advice actually doesn't betray that he's never written anything it just shows that he's only written one type of work, feature lists for the engineers to handle.
I don't understand why people can't grasp how to paint classical masterpieces it's a simple formula:
A compelling composition
Exaggerated realism
Realistic lighting
Good Rendering
Bro, just do it. It's not hard.
> The Diregentlemen roast Jeff Bezos for 45 minutes
>1 month later Jeff Bezos steps down as the Amazon CEO
This video made me realize why so many Isekais fall into the same pitfalls (boring Mary Sue lead characters, generic worlds, etc.): they are all written with the premise of "how would it be to live in a videogame world" ignoring the fact that most videogames have mediocre to bad stories and interactivity is what makes them engaging. Turn the active player into a passive reader/watcher and the overpowered specialness of the main character become a lot less compelling... It takes out all the fun of having the steaks to high
Guidelines can be helpful, but they're most definitely not universal. To almost every specific rule you can put to storytelling, there's a good chance there's a compelling story out there that breaks it.
High the steaks is too.
I'm not even a writer, or an aspiring writer, I'm just fascinated by everything you guys say in these videos. Keep it up guys!
I’m reminded of one of my favorite Producers quotes to use in everyday life, “you keep saying that, but you don’t say HOW”
7 Samurai, one of the greatest movies of all time. Has very small stakes. A single village in rural Japan will starve unless the heroes succeed, and yet we care very deeply about the outcome
So, with the "compelling antagonist", for much of LOTR, the antagonist is sauron aand the Nazgull (or however you spell it). And they aren't very compelling. They are big an evil and have a lot of lore, but much of that is only hinted at in the books. Sauroman and gollum and grima are fairly compelling, but they aren't the primary antagonists, and aren't around for all of the story. Ain't seeing anyone saying those are bad..
And for that matter, wish fulfillment doesn't fit that much. Frodo arguably yes. Magic ring, shirt, quite resistant to evil, but he isn't particularly special. Samwise certainly isn't, he's just tagging along. By which i of course mean dragging frodo by the scuff of his neck through the entirely of middle earth. Merry and pippen do technically get wish fulfillment in that they become rather tall. For hobbits.
Gimli is also not particularly wish fulfillment, because he's just a dwarf. He's a very respectable dwarf, son of one of company of Thorin oakenshield, and he manages to convince an elf queen who is quite literally older than the moon to give him her hair, but just a dwarf.
Aragon is wish fulfillment. Him an gandalf.
And finally: if this is someone's first video on the channel, they will be incredibly confused when you said "the angel dust video".
That was long. I might be wrong about some things. Doubt I'm entirely wrong though.
Ah yes frodo and the wish fulfillment of getting PTSD so hard you have to leave your home and loved ones forever
@@RenaDeles life goals
Jeff Bezos watched Return of the Jedi and thought it was the greatest movie of all time because of the landscapes
It's my favorite movie. Not because of landscapes LOL
It's always about the Steaks being too high
but what if the Steaks are afraid of heights?
When there's so much at steak, you gotta vore the rich
I think we need to replace "writing advice" with another word. These "advices" from all these people are so vague, that your own imagination needs to make sense for it. It's useless.
It should not be “writing advice” it should be, “imposingly my subjective taste like it matters, cause i think i'm a big deal”
the one thing i give people like Lilly orchard some credit, is that a lot of the rules that lilly has that is not just vague/spite posting is based on her own words that she wants to see something different because everyone does the same thing and or does it poorly.
so she’s actually trying to better creativity, by ironically stifling it with her personal taste
meanwhile bezos has no authority, and no real desire to better things he’s just on an ego trip.
@@mckenzie.latham91 I can agree to this. Both have terrible tipps, but Lily‘s goal is at least to make art better and not exploit and recycle things,just because ist sells.
this reads like a preschool teacher teaching the kids about the absolute basics of storytelling
GOD DAMN IT Beff Jezos, THE STEAKS ARE TOO HIGH!!
The bit on the worst things Lily has done did not age well. 🤣
My geography lessons compell me: cultures and politics and stuff are included under the field of geography, it's not just rocks. There is a lot of rocks. But that incudles talking about why people are throwing the rock's.
I think my favorite tip was Jeff's take on world building. Variety of scenery is nice but...similar geological location with key differences like building conditions or designs or how people living there adapted is compelling. Readers will remember key differences, even if it was several robot societies where the only difference was what number or color they used on themselves or their surroundings.
The steaks are too high!
"Jeff Airlines" sounds like a 70s or 80s TV show, a mix between The Invaders and The Incredible Hulk. You have a lone moody protagonist on the run (with an authority figure always on their feet), with a recurring enemy (the aliens), a gimmicky superpower that's easy to convey by recycling footage of him using it in previous episodes (turning people into guns), and an structure that allows to many memorable one-episode guest stars (arrive to new country, there's a problem, aliens are behind the problem, kill the aliens so the problem is fixed, get a clue of what the next country to visit will be... Oh no! Is Authority Figure Man with the local airport security guards! Will Jeff take his next plane before they get to him? Find out next week!)
The Witcher is a very bingeable show, but its episodes are largely self-contained
Much like the incredible books written by Andrew Sajpowski (his second name is polish and my copies of the books are in another room so i can't check the spelling, apologies).
@@Santisima_Trinidad its: "Andrzej Sapkowski"
@@darkpixel1128 thank you. And blood for blood god.
These are the highest steaks I’ve ever seen before. Too high, I’d even venture to say.
Cliffhangers for Cliffhangers' sake are the storytelling equivalent of going "OH NO! anyway..."
Here I am. Writing a comic (based on one of Henry Galley's fantastic wholesome anime turned horror pitches). Listening to this video which is showing me what not to do for the work
(Off topic dw I will give you credit for the idea)
Nice! Which concept did you go for?
@@henrygalley2831 it was really hard since they're all amazing but we ended up choosing the concept of the girl whose pretending to have a relationship with the serial killer. We really only have the title: That Time I Dated a Serial Killer
Even the “diverse worldbuilding” bit sounds like a video game. If having a variety of biomes is good worldbuilding, then New Super Mario Bros. Wii must have the greatest worldbuilding of all time.
Once I got to the sand world I knew the game was a 10/10.
Every 90s arcade game where every level is a different landscape be like: YES! PERFECT WORLD BUILDING!
I shudder to think of a whole generation of authors who got their writing advice from a real-life supervillain
Man that section about Lily Orchard aged like MILK. And honestly it’s not like this was all new info. Victims have come out about this in the past, people should have listened.
Here are my epicly epic pieces of writing advice that can make any writing epic 😎
- Pretty colors
- Scenes
- Cool Characters
- Endings
- Awesome Twists
- Dialouge
- Sensational settings
- Words
I feel Jeff is just trying to advice how to write a show for Amazon Prime, like, those are all the things you need to get your show onto Amazon Prime.
Goku definitely develops throughout Dragon Ball. Just the basic traits all stay consistent. Ppl say that abt Luffy too and it’s just as wrong there
jeff bezos is the last person i would take any form of advice from, if he can’t manage employees as actual humans then why the *hell* would i listen to him.
I must say the Amazon Wheel of Time show makes a lot more sense now.
I tried to kill a vampire, but the stakes were too high
really gotta hand it to jeff he kinda went off with that "violence" tip like thanks dude i'll keep it in mind
and the steaks are too high. that's enough feeding edibles to cows for one lifetime
The Steaks are too high! 😭😭🤣
I think a pretty good edit to the "hero protagonist" rule is more like:
Make choices about your protagonist that are relevant to the themes of the story as a whole. Are they are a hero? Do they experience growth and change? And what do those choices mean to the narrative as a whole. Having answers to those questions -even potentially "bad" answers- is more compelling than not making choices in this regard.
Also, regarding the whole cliffhangers point, I think it's really important for writers to realize that they are a tool to be used when they serve the narrative well. So many cliffhangers feel unearned bc they are used cheaply and seemingly for the whole point of "urgency to watch the next episode" which is pretty much the worst way to use them.
I think the best cliffhangers in episodic form storytelling don't happen at the end of an episode. The point of a cliffhanger is unresolved tension over a period of time to percolate in an audience's mind, and especially in an era of binging shows, that means that spacing out the indicident point of the cliffhanger from the resolution within the narrative is both more satisfying to the story (since it isn't as likely to feel cheap), and ensures that the audience will have roughly the same amount of tension time no matter when they are experiencing the story.
Some stories also don’t need an antagonist and they don’t have to be compelling you can just have basic antagonist and the story focuses on other things
Can't believe i'm binging this entire channel, while writing my own book... Again!
My favorite was Violence, it really enhanced my story to a new level
Knowing a thing or 30 about Lily, I can say, the thing that stops her from having a high bodycount, is not her person, but how little power she has. If she had anywhere near Bezos power, she'd have a gigantic bodycount.
(I have talked to some of her victims.)
I mean between guard break and ends over easy, it’s kinda easy to see how much she uses her persecution to justify her beliefs and actions.
The world might be fucked up but at least people like her, onision and vegan teacher don’t have power
She seems like the kind of person who'd be absolutely chill with killing someone for the slightest reason.
No wait actually didn't she try kill her dad?
The person you're describing only lives inside your head. Please tell me how she hunts puppies for their skin.
@@Oscar_Lasco fucking probably I don't listen to her podcast
On the matter of Urgency to Watch, there's a few ways to do that.
The cheap and easy and annoying way is via cliffhangers. Not really a fan. >_>
A compelling narrative will keep people watching; and even in episodic content, you can have a throughline that pulls people in.
The most difficult, and most fulfilling, is to write characters that people want to watch and will come back to see more of.
Jeff Bezos is my compelling antagonist. (he compels me towards crime)
i just keep thinking about the paddington movies whenever i hear that a main character HAS to change. like nah nah sometimes their impact on others is enough
THE STAKES ARE TOO HIGH!!!
25:40 it’s okay, you can just say Steven Moffat’s Doctor Who.
I had to re-read that title at least four times
deathnote said "heroic protagonist?" *kira laugh here*
"This shouldn't be that hard"
every idiot before trying anything
I feel like if you can’t get people to want to watch your show without having to resort to the overuse cliffhangers, it might not be a good show.
Edit: Hard agree on cliffhangers used for two-parter stories.
Funny you mention Castlevania as having great stand out episodes since I think the show has a lot of slow burn and is much better taken as a whole personally.
It can do both, but The Harvest from Season 3 is a masterpiece without a doubt.
oh boy! i sure do love wish fulfilment in my horror and tragedy stories
Yes! I think most people either found you from the first 2 writers video, or one of your hellva boss videos.
Edit although the videos like the horror iceberg I think are better and funnier, these are also funny and informative.
(also I know no one ask for my opinion sorry lol)
The steaks are too high. 🥩
I swear this is the same writing advice Roland Emmerick uses for his movies. Like point by point
Urgency to watch next episode reads like something on a board checklist of making sure your show will get someone to sub to the streaming platform.
Accidentally fed some weed to some cows. Now the steaks are too high.
Also - the way the guy writing this biography about bezos talks about shifting disciplines reminds me of a North Korean journalist talking about all the many amazing skills and talents of Kim jong il
Steaks way too high
"THE STEAKS ARE NOT HIGH ENOUGH!"
-Jeff Bezos on a pair of stilts
It’s too late, I’m forklift certified!!
Jeff Bezos's BEST Epic Writing Rule Ever!: Write a good story.
And high steaks, those are also important
If it involves Jeff Bezos, the steaks are definitely too high.
Eating the rich really raises the steaks
Best part of the video, Popeye v Goku
Internet archive stan here. I would love to hear yall throw shade at chuck wendig.
Jeff’s tips are all just DBZ. All of them apply to DBZ
Jeff Bezos is a weeb: confirmed.
DBZ characters be like: Let's not fight here, let's go to a different geographical landscape.
hey hey hey hey so a farmer has this prize winning cow right. and he grazes this cow on purely cannabis fields, and a lot of people were curious as to why, and he said it was because the competition was high steaks.
How many of these tips just don't apply at all to The Boys, one of Amazon's most successful produced shows?
Heroic protagonist? Well, nothing really heroic about them, they go around fighting Superheroes by engaging in cancel culture and straight-up kidnapping people, they're basically just the bad guys but for the right reasons.
Worldbuilding (many locations)? I mean, it's Earth, but the whole thing mostly takes place in the city outside of a handful of points where they go out to sea or something. There's not exactly a huge load of unique vistas.
Positive Emotions? KIND-OF? But that's absolutely not the point of the show, it's designed to be extremely cynical. It's rare to see anyone just be happy, most of it's about a group of people struggling to take down a bunch of power-hungry greedy dirtbags.
Are the steaks even really that high? The result of failure is just kind-of not-Superman creating and then killing a bunch of terrorists? Things would mostly just go back to normal, the one big thing is that these people are really shitty and need to be kicked down a peg for being manipulative assholes. Like the real steaks are SUPER personal, like avenging someone's death or stopping not-Superman from murdering the heroes.
I love diverse world building aka. different geographic landscapes. its like a child like understanding of the term. "Diverse world building? that must be talking about the physical locations story". It shows you can be the richest man in the world and still not know shit about what you are talking about some subjects.
The steaks are TOO HIGH!
I feel like Jeff Bezos says you should have such high steaks because he can't bring himself to care about the struggles of individual characters, as evidenced by his business practices
i don't know if i said this in a way that makes sense
basically the man just lacks any sympathy
THE STEAKS ARE TOO HIGH
THE STEAKS ARE TOO DAMN HIGH?
I love these videos and your insights, thanks for making them!!b
The steaks are absolutely too damn high! 🔥
Oh wow a guy who made his money on delivering packages doesn't know shit about storytelling color me shocked