Bench press and power clean videos are comin my ass...hey try to get him to do a video on bent over barbell rows I promise you'll have a huge reception of that video this is die hard insight I'm providing here...srsly tho I wanna see how he would coach a barbell row...pleasssse.
Honestly neither of them make sense if hes advocating FOR power cleans. Both Upright and Pendelay rows are considered accessory work that will increase your ability to clean. Esp the 2nd pull in the clean sequence.
I picked up my Weightlifting shoes last week after I finished reading Starting Strength. Got my Friday reps in and there was such a positive noticeable difference. My only regret was not getting them on sooner! Thanks AOM!
I really like this mans philosofy on training in general. It's like no bullshit, just common sense. Everyone should have at least one guy like Rip in their gym.
I love his train of thought for "deciding where shit stops". It's the same thing when I tell people I used his GOMAD routine and people say, "humans shouldn't drink milk, we're the only mammal that drinks another mammals milk". My response is similar to Rip's, " we're also the only mammals that use elevators, tooth brushes and toilet paper."
NorthpawJinx may want to think a little harder on that one my man. Using toilet paper and elevators isn't quite the same as ingesting the hormone filled milk of another species.
@@rickyj1250 Even though your post is 3 years old your stupidity warrants a response..... We're also the only mammal that cooks their food, takes vitamins, voluntarily goes to doctors, lifts weights to develop muscle, and injects ourselves with artificial testosterone. Is that good enough for you to debunk the lame "only mammal drinking milk" argument?
You eat eggs? The menstral cycle of a bird, you are eating avian fetal waste and you take issue with mammal milk? Something actually meant to be ingested
If you actually say this people I can see why they hate you lol. The only one you have somewhat of a point in is brushing teeth (putting tooth paste in your mouth). The elevator comment was stupid as hell
Uncle Grim Speaking of paleo, though Rip doesn't like lifting barefooted,he eats paleo actually. Funny how people keep assuming he drinks a gallon of milk a day just because that's what he recommends to malnourished teens.
Because taking on behaviors closer to that of our non-soft non-domesticated male ancestors is somehow feminine? A man would have said that to her. A man would not have taken such a comment from his wife and let her attack his ego like that. He would have stood up to her and told her how it is. If you let your wife talk to you like that, perhaps you both SHOULD see other men.
I squat in flat minimalist shoes and haven't had any problems with my feet. As long as you can externally rotate the hips and create stable arches you should be fine.
If you have a wide shoe size, I recommend the Do-Wins from Rogue Fitness. They worked out really well for me. I have worn wide and extra wide EEE shoes -- so I wasn't sure if the advertised "wide profile" on the Do-Wins would work, but they fit great. Prior to the Do-Wins, I had worn leather Chucks for my wide feet -- used shoe stretchers to widen them. The Chucks fit fine, but too flat footed, and no arch support which resulted in lower back pain along with metatarsalgia. Switching to Do-Wins took the weight off my lower back, and provided much needed support. Improved my form on the low bar squat.
No one in these videos ever answers the basic question of WHEN do you wear elevated heel weightlifting shoes. Do you wear them just for squats? Are they beneficial for deadlifts, too? How about standing presses?
This video could have been elaborated a bit more. A raised heel weightlifting shoe is for squatting/olympic movements. A flat weightlifting shoe is for deadlifting. Important distinction between the two. So technically you should have 2 different types of weightlifting shoes for the gym.
I don't really understand. Barefeet is bad but the shoes have no compression? Isn't that just the same as bare feet aside from some arch support? I would think that, similar to using a bar instead of a smith machine, going barefoot would help beef up your feet to stand the extra stresses.
+Ian Mcdowell did you listen to the first 10 seconds of video "surround in a tight casing, nothing wiggles around" if your bear footed your going to splay out. this is similar to the use of a belt.
+Ian Mcdowell what Kenny said. compression isn't the only issue. when you get into lifting enough weight it is potentially problematic if your feet splay out . unless you're barefoot all the time in life, i don't see why you would train that way. i went through that fad 6 years ago. never again. didn't do shit for me.
You are right he is wrong. If your foot crumples under weight bare foot you can't lift the weight. They just don't want to exercise feet and put up big numbers.
Question - other than for squatting, what are these good for? Should I use them for deadlifts and bent over rows? I understand that for those movements they can throw off your balance a little, but I have bad wobbly feet and I can benefit from the tight grip of the shoe and the stability to the floor.
Mostly squatting. I like to bench in mine as well though. If you want a solid flat shoe, check out the reebok powerlifting ones by Mark Bell. They're basically beefed up chucks. However for everything but squatting chucks will do you just dandy.
Chances are, human feet were designed to exert force against jungle bottom. Presumably with a squish somewhere around that of 1-2 inches of rubber. Compared to shoes, floor squish is non directional. The weight of your feet squish themselves a small crater, increasing support in all directions as the crater gets deeper. Squishy shoes, OTOH, because they don't extend far beyond your soles, don't do this. Instead facilitating any tendency to not distribute pressure completely evenly across the foot at the onset of the lift, to squish down more in some spots than others. So they contribute to instability. The nervous system picks up on this, and reflexively holds back on force, to reduce the risk of injury. If you have to lift on a mattress, you are a lot better off lifting in the center, than towards one end. Come to think of it, I bet I could PR handsomely in the deadlift, if you only gave me a soft enough mattress to lift on, to go with my long and noodly deadlift bar........ :) It's not entirely beyond the realm of the possible, that the shoe and biomechanics geeks at Nike (I have no affiliation with them), cut out part of the center of the sole of the Romaleus, in an effort to allow the tiniest amount of squish-and-rebound, without negatively affecting stability. Oly lifting is all about exploiting any present bounces and stretch/elastic rebounds for all they''re worth; as long as doing so doesn't reduce stability and the ability to also reliably project force. Of course, neither is it beyond the realm of the possible, that it was the marketing geeks at Nike who cut it out, just because it looks cool........
I like the points about squishy shoes. I would like to learn more about the support aspect of what he talks about. I don't know shoe anatomy well, but I'm thinking what they call the "last" of the shoe would be the part responsible for what he's talking about?
I have nothing but total respect for Rippetoe, the man is a living legend who literally wrote *the* book on strength training. Hell, he is responsible for getting me into weight training. That being said, I have to respectfully disagree with his scornful dismissal of training barefoot. There are a ton of legitimate and impressive lifters that train barefoot. I get it, a lot of the barefoot people make a lot of stupid arguments. Its not "better" or more "natural" and any of that goofy shit, but it is a viable personal preference. Some people with poor ankle flexibility definitely gain from using shoes, but others don't seem to need it and get along fine without shoes.
100% agreed mate. Wear anything that makes one confident of not loosing foot grip and balance at the bottom of a squat. Barefoot works for me better than any lifting shoes. And the argument about feet injury while lifting barefoot doesn't make sense, because even it undergoes the stress recovery adaptation cycle. And yes, the "more natural" argument is absolute bullshit.
I trained with barefoot because I was wearing Nike years ago which isn't really a flat shoe. Between barefoot and Chuck Taylors, I can say Chucks are the way to go
Lots and lots of different training regimens work. Rippetoe is pretty open about many of the things he poo-poos, being perfectly viable ways to train. They just not the most efficient way to train. Take the demand for maximal efficiency out of it, and you can get frightfully strong in the squat by high bar squatting as well. MOST people, will just progress slower doing that, than if they instead squatted Rip's way. Ditto footwear choice: Most people, will get to 315 faster with shoes designed to assist them in doing just that, than in any other form of, or no, footwear. And, per Rip, coaching new lifters to lift in any other way than the most efficient one, is bad in and of itself. Even if said lifter still ends up progressing at some rate.
Incorrect to say lifting barefoot is damaging on the feet. Not really. Barefoot provides the best form of neuro activation that can actually boost your squat numbers through effective feedback. Of course you need reasonable ankle mobility which you can derive by placing your heels on a 2.5kg flat plate
Lifting bare foot can get your foot callus though so its not entirely incorrect. I got on on my left toe, its not a big deal but annoying. Its just never go, no matter how many time I cut it, patch it up. Yeah I am barefoot training. Its good. But its just take me so far, to go beyond that, I need to train in solid shoes.
But Matt Winning (multiple world record holder) at Winning Strength says to use flat sole shoes and that you don't want your knee to cone forward. So who am I to believe?
Don't most Westside guys lift in Chucks? They squat very, very atypically, though. In a way which is far enough removed from the usual/ "naive" way of doing it, that it's unlikely to have much bearing on "Starting" anything. Rippetoe's way, has likely gotten more initially non-serious lifters to 315, probably even 405, than any other single, consistent program. The Westside Way, just may have gotten more lifters from 900 to 1000 lbs than any other. But that's still a rather small clique of subjects...
using shoes too soon will prevent you from getting natural ankle flexibility. The raised heels basically cheat you out of developing proper ankle mobility to start with, which is usually one of the primary reasons people cant get all the way down and keep proper forms, that and tight hamstrings. Training without shoes when you are learning to lift properly and still on light weights would be far more advantageous in ensuring that you develop the correct flexibility and the right patterns for lifting so that when you go heavy you are less likely to do yourself a mischief.
"Well it's not natural to squat in a gym, With a revolving sleeve barbell and plates... And a power rack..... And me teaching you how to do it either." LMFAO
Starting Strength: You shouldn't lift barefoot. It's not natural to squat in a gym. Squat University: Squatting is a natural human activity that should be done in a natural foot position. Me: I hurt my back deadlifting the Starting Strength way, but achieved my best deadlift barefoot. I think I'll listen to the guy who's helped me recover from injuries.
It won't. It's the exact same as lifting in a non-compression shoe except for no arch support or a lifted heel. If your feet are healthy they'll be able to be progressively overloaded as well.
From affordable to expensive: Do-wins Adidas Powerlift Adidas adipower/Nike romaleos I know plenty of strong dudes who each wear one of the above. The do-wins I believe are the ones in this video, if not they're exactly like them.
Can someone please explain this to me? Can I use my olympic lifting shoes while deadlifting too? Since the heels are a bit raised, won't that create problems?
I deadlift in oly shoes because i can feel my hamstrings working harder, and i want to strengthen my back the most. I want to fail in the legs before my back crumbles, also my gl00ts are strong af. My max is 210 kg, yet i did 190 kg on a deficit deadlift, in oly shoes, which is a strong indicator of improved overall leg strength and back strength. Ever since i started deadlifting in oly shoes, my stability in the squat without a belt improved (i can high bar squat more than i low bar squat, that's how stable), while my deadlift rose at the regular pace. If i ever feel like my glutes are my weakpoint, i'll just drop lower when wearing oly shoes to feel them work more, or simply wear flat shoes. Trying new stuff might help you, it helped me tremendously.
@@xshufflex1 Lots and lots of people don't have the flexibility to"keep the hips from lowering" when bending down to grab the bar, without a raised heel. Competition dead lifters obviously do. For those who don't, performing the lift in oly shoes, facilitates them in keeping the lift a pull from dead, which it's supposed to be, rather than a hybrid squat-to-a-no-longer-from-dead pull. From there, it's basically a question of why you deadlift. If the deadlift is a main lift, effort (as in flexibility work) should be made to enable deadlifting properly with slippers. I don't believe anyone deadlifts for WRs in oly shoes. But if you're an oly-, or power/rate-of-force-production focused lifter, the deadlift is only an accessory exercise. Not a main lift. If so, you may (just may, depending...) well be better off staying with oly shoes. In general, I'd suggest the default ought to be oly shoes. There are no more "complete" barbell exercises than the oly ones, and I don't believe anyone performs them, at a high level, in flats. Overhead squats, are incredibly awkward in flats. Yet are, by many knowledgeable coaches (throwing coaches, mainly), regarded as something akin to THE best measure of overall strength of all lifts. While no doubt major lifts in their own regard, the powerlifts are still very compartmentalised, even oversimplified, compared to full from-floor-to-locked-out-overhead lifts.
Terry Newton he says the 0.75 inch heel won’t make a big difference until your dead gets real(500+) big. Remember Olympic lifters clean 400 in shoes just like this. It’s easier without, but not a significant hurdle. I pull with them just because it’s less hassle than taking them off. I’m pulling 400. No worries.
I squat with Chucks. I went looking at Weightlifting shoes one day and was shocked at the price tags.....Chucks have the flat bottom and relatively inexpensive.
kadijaish How long have you been training 5x5? What are your numbers? Maybe you have plateaued? If so, maybe you should consider going for 3x3 or some other variation. Or maybe you have plateaued strenght potensiel for your muscles and need to do some hypertrophy work. Or maybe you need to pay more attention to form. Rest and recovery is very important. Nutrition is very important. Form is very important. The point is, before you go "blaming" programmes, analyse what you are doing and how you are doing it. Good luck.
I think this is a pretty subjective topic. I used to squat in weightlifting shoes but I now prefer to use metcons. Can't explain why but I've got a plate in my right ankle so maybe it's a mobility issue. Deadlifting barefoot feels better to me but not much better than in metcons so I usually keep my shoes on unless I'm going for a 1-RM or something. That being said, weightlifting shoes makes a huge difference for me with oly lifts, particularly the snatch, mostly due to my poor balance.
michael bryant For me they work perfectly fine. Depends on your mobility though. I can do a highbar squat in chucks and still go well below parallel. And I can't say I've felt a lack of support yet. I'm only a recreational lifter, though so that might be different for people handling greater loads.
Everything he's saying makes perfect sense except for the natural/not natural bit. Squatting is a natural movement. Picking up weight in any form whether it be barbell, log, rock, wild boar, blonde, brunette, or whatever and squatting with it isn't unnatural. Progressive loading isn't even unnatural. Obviously Rip is no amateur, and weightlifting champs all use these shoes as it makes the whole process easier, and they aren't weak by any stretch. Still, wouldn't it make sense to strengthen your feet as you increase the load since the lift depends on them, and if your feet can't handle the load it means that they're the weak link that should be improved before you move up in weight, and isn't this the same principle that's applied to every other part of the kinetic chain in strength training movements? Can strong enough feet mitigate the need for weightlifting shoes, even if it means taking more time to increase your numbers? And then, how much carry over will these stronger feet have for other aspects of fitness?
Bench is useless except for getting better at benching. Do incline/decline, or skull crushers if you must use the bench. Isolation if muscle groups that you're working on is key- For biceps I like preacher curls, standing overhand curl circuits. Triceps I like pull downs with the rope grip, pull overs with the v-grip Chest incline/decline close grip press or flies with dumbbells Etc. Isolate.
Shoe salespeople always claim you're supposed to replace your shoes every year. I realize that's for daily use but if Rip has had his shoes for 17 years, they really should be replaced since the entire shoe starts to break down!
Shaine MacDonald negative. The part that wears is the EVA foam which only works up to about 400 miles. Weightlifting shoes are designed to do the complete opposite. There’s nothing to wear out short of the sole itself. The upper will last practically forever in a gym setting.
geniusaza Does attempting to insult someone you don't know over the internet make you feel like a man? How simple your life must be to afford such meager affirmations.
I really have to object with a lot this guy says. There is no real issue in lifting barefoot, its only a problem if you aren't training that way and the extra ankle stability and mobility come into play (and you don't adjust technique for it). Secondly, the bass is so that this isnt any variable give across the shoe. If you have padded running shoes on, the compression across the sole is too variable and can cause lateral pressure in your foot. Aka welcome to snap city. You dont wear these shoes for deadlifts (most dont that I have seen anyway), and if you are squatting, then the compression of when you lift isn't going to change because the weight of the bar will force it down before you start. This guy is giving advice what appears to be from his time, and a lot has advanced since then. (Reflected in stronger lifts in all sports and categories). Love the format of the series, but this guy isn't the best with his information!
68w86 Yeah. Where's the DATA to support all this gobbledygook? And why is it, exactly, that the strongest people IN THE WORLD don't display their strength, on the Olympic platform or at power meets, in bare feet? Hmmm? You answer. We'll wait.
yeah. Pretty much the only thing i disagree with mark. You shouldnt squat in running shoes or Crox or something like that but barefoot is totally fine. Just look at strongman-competitions. Deadlifts or variants of deadlifts are usually done in socks or barefoot (to minimize range) and no foot gets hurt so how is squatting supposed to hurt your naked foot while deadlift, with more weight (especially if we talk about car deadlifts, which are quite a bit heavier than regular deadlifts) obviously doesnt. I think Mark needs to apply his, usually extremely good observationskills to his shoedogma. PS: I did also squat barefoot for a very long time. Think i went up as high as 190kg barefoot before i even bought shoes. Now i squat with shoes just because i need to squat in shoes on a competition but i really dont feel as if the shoes would give me an edge or something. I think i could squat my 1RM barefoot just as good as with shoes.
@@joethesheep4675 Comparing professional lifters to your average joe is inane. The point is that the beginner/intermediate lifter has not conditioned their feet to the point that they can lift safely without some arch support.
@@BlGGESTBROTHER Rip doesnt say "professional lifters". Rip says everyone that comes into the gym first day needs to use lifting shoes. On a comp it ofc makes sense to use every piece of equipment you are allowed to use that might give you an edge but when you are just starting off you dont need any equipment at all. My point about deadlifts in strongman is that it is obviously not necessary to wear shoes when lifting and that holds true for beginners just as it does for competitors. The beginner has weaker feet just as he has a weaker lift. "The point is that the beginner/intermediate lifter has not conditioned their feet to the point that they can lift safely without some arch support." - Ahhhhhh ok. Now i get the problem. You are the type of person who thinks that you need to do stretches and conditioning and mobility work for 6 months before you can even start lifting. You are wrong, quite simply. If you are not already a medical emergency you can and should squat, bench press, overheadpress and deadlift right from the gettgo. Your body will adapt and your form will improve starting with day 1 and all issues you might have performing these lifts will adopt accordingly (thats the whole point of training). Having completely healthy ppl do mobility and conditioning is a complete waste of time. I do get the legal part of it, tho. I mean that, as a coach you dont want to be sued but from the standpoint of effective training it makes 0 sense.
@@joethesheep4675 I never said Rip said that. I was referring to your comment. You said, "Just look at strongman-competitions. " As if your average joe lifter should follow what the top 1% do.That's just stupid. "Having completely healthy ppl do mobility and conditioning is a complete waste of time." You're actually an idiot. The average person has worn shoes their entire life. Their feet are accustomed to having tensile/arch support that a shoe provides. On top of that a shoe can reduce the impact of a weight that is dropped on the foot, especially its ability to lacerate the skin. Why the fuck would you ever recommend someone who lifts weight at a non professional level not to wear shoes. Oh and by the way, there's plenty of pros that wear lifting shoes too. So your entire fucking point is moot.
@@BlGGESTBROTHER i adressed that.... Nah man. You are an idiot but i guess we wont find common ground here. Why would you drop a weight on your foot? + If you drop a significant weight on your foot it doesnt make much difference if you wear a lifting shoe or not. Fracture or open fracture thats the question. And by that logic everyone would need to wear steel-toed shoes in the gym then but, regarding your arguments i wouldnt wonder if you think that thats a wonderful idea. "Why the fuck would you ever recommend someone who lifts weight at a non professional level not to wear shoes." - "The average person has worn shoes their entire life. Their feet are accustomed to having tensile/arch support that a shoe provides." Ontop of that its simply a bad idea to invest "a lot" (yeah shoes arent that expensiensieve but still) of money into something you havent even tried out yet. A smart person would FIRST take a look if something is enjoyable and THEN invest into the activity not the other way around. "Oh and by the way, there's plenty of pros that wear lifting shoes too. So your entire fucking point is moot." - Not on the deadlift (which i was specifically refering to) because it makes the lift harder and thats the last thing a pro would want in a competition.
Having a different type of shoe won't do really anything to your weightlifting overall. It's like putting a dime on your weights and expect it to give you more weight to lift.
I almost always squat barefooted and so do a lot of powerlifters even when they're competing and setting world records. They're called weightlifting shoes because they're used for olympic weightlifting. Olympic weightlifting as a sport itself is just called "weightlifting," only people who don't know the actual name of the sport call it olympic weightlifting.
I bought some yesterday lol but I've been watching Rip's videos for a couple months and I have his book. He says that the low bar back squat is the only squat and that other variations are useless except for some exceptions. Chucks are like the high bar back squat. It's a perfectly good squat which Mark Rippetoe is going to dismiss as completely useless even though it's simply not quite as good as the low bar back squat.
Every man needs a Mark Rippetoe growing up.
Mine was my carpentry teacher xD
JP Sheehan Love that guy
I agree. we need this type of role model in our current generation.
JP Sheehan true, wish I had when I was growing up
Mine was Ron Swanson
Yes, Bench press and power clean videos are coming. Filmed them yesterday.
Art of Manliness Can you upload the rest day video please?
Art of Manliness Looking forward!
Bench press and power clean videos are comin my ass...hey try to get him to do a video on bent over barbell rows I promise you'll have a huge reception of that video this is die hard insight I'm providing here...srsly tho I wanna see how he would coach a barbell row...pleasssse.
+BizEffortsOnline I think it's just upright rows he's against.
Honestly neither of them make sense if hes advocating FOR power cleans. Both Upright and Pendelay rows are considered accessory work that will increase your ability to clean. Esp the 2nd pull in the clean sequence.
I picked up my Weightlifting shoes last week after I finished reading Starting Strength. Got my Friday reps in and there was such a positive noticeable difference. My only regret was not getting them on sooner! Thanks AOM!
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I really like this mans philosofy on training in general. It's like no bullshit, just common sense. Everyone should have at least one guy like Rip in their gym.
I love Mark Rippetoe, he explains everything so good and seems so professional. To bad there isn´t many videos with him on youtube
These are terrific videos for getting back to basics.
Many of us scramble to piece together bench/squat/dead techniques.
Thanks for posting!
"Strong people are harder to kill and more useful in general"
Are you still a RUclips critic ?
SirPhilby101 I'd say romaleos
SirPhilby101 one of use uses romaleos and the other uses some inov-8 fastlifts
Yes sir
“Strong people are harder to kill” ballistics disagrees with that. However, I do agree with the rest of the statement
I love his train of thought for "deciding where shit stops". It's the same thing when I tell people I used his GOMAD routine and people say, "humans shouldn't drink milk, we're the only mammal that drinks another mammals milk". My response is similar to Rip's, " we're also the only mammals that use elevators, tooth brushes and toilet paper."
NorthpawJinx may want to think a little harder on that one my man. Using toilet paper and elevators isn't quite the same as ingesting the hormone filled milk of another species.
@@rickyj1250 Even though your post is 3 years old your stupidity warrants a response.....
We're also the only mammal that cooks their food, takes vitamins, voluntarily goes to doctors, lifts weights to develop muscle, and injects ourselves with artificial testosterone. Is that good enough for you to debunk the lame "only mammal drinking milk" argument?
You eat eggs? The menstral cycle of a bird, you are eating avian fetal waste and you take issue with mammal milk? Something actually meant to be ingested
You sound like an idiot lol
If you actually say this people I can see why they hate you lol. The only one you have somewhat of a point in is brushing teeth (putting tooth paste in your mouth). The elevator comment was stupid as hell
Mark Rippetoe is such an awesome guy
"haaapahffaffpthh" he grumbles under his crisp, brown, majestic mustache
Rip hears the word "paleo" and has a small seizure of dismissal.
Uncle Grim I told my wife I wanted to go paleo and she said we should both see other men.
Uncle Grim Speaking of paleo, though Rip doesn't like lifting barefooted,he eats paleo actually. Funny how people keep assuming he drinks a gallon of milk a day just because that's what he recommends to malnourished teens.
I lost my shit there lol
Because taking on behaviors closer to that of our non-soft non-domesticated male ancestors is somehow feminine? A man would have said that to her. A man would not have taken such a comment from his wife and let her attack his ego like that. He would have stood up to her and told her how it is. If you let your wife talk to you like that, perhaps you both SHOULD see other men.
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I squat in flat minimalist shoes and haven't had any problems with my feet.
As long as you can externally rotate the hips and create stable arches you should be fine.
If you have a wide shoe size, I recommend the Do-Wins from Rogue Fitness. They worked out really well for me. I have worn wide and extra wide EEE shoes -- so I wasn't sure if the advertised "wide profile" on the Do-Wins would work, but they fit great.
Prior to the Do-Wins, I had worn leather Chucks for my wide feet -- used shoe stretchers to widen them. The Chucks fit fine, but too flat footed, and no arch support which resulted in lower back pain along with metatarsalgia.
Switching to Do-Wins took the weight off my lower back, and provided much needed support. Improved my form on the low bar squat.
No one in these videos ever answers the basic question of WHEN do you wear elevated heel weightlifting shoes. Do you wear them just for squats? Are they beneficial for deadlifts, too? How about standing presses?
Best and most informative video on why wear lifting shoes that I have found!
I love how Rip respons to the last question, what a legend!
"We want, not squish". Mark seems like the old coach from Rocky
Rippetoe has a strong point everytime!
This video could have been elaborated a bit more.
A raised heel weightlifting shoe is for squatting/olympic movements.
A flat weightlifting shoe is for deadlifting.
Important distinction between the two. So technically you should have 2 different types of weightlifting shoes for the gym.
Hearing Mark laugh at having only one shoe shop made me slightly happier in the inside
I read the title in a way that weightlifting was verb. I was confused for a moment.
He has been a great add-on to the series.
I don't really understand. Barefeet is bad but the shoes have no compression? Isn't that just the same as bare feet aside from some arch support?
I would think that, similar to using a bar instead of a smith machine, going barefoot would help beef up your feet to stand the extra stresses.
+Ian Mcdowell did you listen to the first 10 seconds of video "surround in a tight casing, nothing wiggles around" if your bear footed your going to splay out. this is similar to the use of a belt.
+Ian Mcdowell what Kenny said. compression isn't the only issue. when you get into lifting enough weight it is potentially problematic if your feet splay out . unless you're barefoot all the time in life, i don't see why you would train that way. i went through that fad 6 years ago. never again. didn't do shit for me.
You are right he is wrong. If your foot crumples under weight bare foot you can't lift the weight. They just don't want to exercise feet and put up big numbers.
@@tscarable Nope, you're definitely wrong. Lifting barefoot is dumb for multiple reasons.
@@michaels7159 Nope, you're definitely wrong. Shoes have caused a lot of problems.
Question - other than for squatting, what are these good for? Should I use them for deadlifts and bent over rows? I understand that for those movements they can throw off your balance a little, but I have bad wobbly feet and I can benefit from the tight grip of the shoe and the stability to the floor.
Mostly squatting. I like to bench in mine as well though. If you want a solid flat shoe, check out the reebok powerlifting ones by Mark Bell. They're basically beefed up chucks. However for everything but squatting chucks will do you just dandy.
Dont deadlift with a raised heel shoe. Flat is best for deadlift, raised is for squats.
what about that compressible rubber stuff on the floor you're lifting on?
Chances are, human feet were designed to exert force against jungle bottom. Presumably with a squish somewhere around that of 1-2 inches of rubber.
Compared to shoes, floor squish is non directional. The weight of your feet squish themselves a small crater, increasing support in all directions as the crater gets deeper.
Squishy shoes, OTOH, because they don't extend far beyond your soles, don't do this. Instead facilitating any tendency to not distribute pressure completely evenly across the foot at the onset of the lift, to squish down more in some spots than others. So they contribute to instability. The nervous system picks up on this, and reflexively holds back on force, to reduce the risk of injury.
If you have to lift on a mattress, you are a lot better off lifting in the center, than towards one end. Come to think of it, I bet I could PR handsomely in the deadlift, if you only gave me a soft enough mattress to lift on, to go with my long and noodly deadlift bar........ :)
It's not entirely beyond the realm of the possible, that the shoe and biomechanics geeks at Nike (I have no affiliation with them), cut out part of the center of the sole of the Romaleus, in an effort to allow the tiniest amount of squish-and-rebound, without negatively affecting stability. Oly lifting is all about exploiting any present bounces and stretch/elastic rebounds for all they''re worth; as long as doing so doesn't reduce stability and the ability to also reliably project force. Of course, neither is it beyond the realm of the possible, that it was the marketing geeks at Nike who cut it out, just because it looks cool........
so what is the difference of that pair compared to a training shoe from lets say nike, addias etc ?
Where's the video on the importance of rest? None of the links point to the right video...
I like the points about squishy shoes. I would like to learn more about the support aspect of what he talks about. I don't know shoe anatomy well, but I'm thinking what they call the "last" of the shoe would be the part responsible for what he's talking about?
Researching now! Can't wait to get a pair.
I have nothing but total respect for Rippetoe, the man is a living legend who literally wrote *the* book on strength training. Hell, he is responsible for getting me into weight training. That being said, I have to respectfully disagree with his scornful dismissal of training barefoot. There are a ton of legitimate and impressive lifters that train barefoot.
I get it, a lot of the barefoot people make a lot of stupid arguments. Its not "better" or more "natural" and any of that goofy shit, but it is a viable personal preference. Some people with poor ankle flexibility definitely gain from using shoes, but others don't seem to need it and get along fine without shoes.
100% agreed mate. Wear anything that makes one confident of not loosing foot grip and balance at the bottom of a squat. Barefoot works for me better than any lifting shoes. And the argument about feet injury while lifting barefoot doesn't make sense, because even it undergoes the stress recovery adaptation cycle.
And yes, the "more natural" argument is absolute bullshit.
I trained with barefoot because I was wearing Nike years ago which isn't really a flat shoe. Between barefoot and Chuck Taylors, I can say Chucks are the way to go
@@exxie1 personally I find chucks squish my toes together and make my feet unstable
Lots and lots of different training regimens work.
Rippetoe is pretty open about many of the things he poo-poos, being perfectly viable ways to train. They just not the most efficient way to train. Take the demand for maximal efficiency out of it, and you can get frightfully strong in the squat by high bar squatting as well. MOST people, will just progress slower doing that, than if they instead squatted Rip's way.
Ditto footwear choice: Most people, will get to 315 faster with shoes designed to assist them in doing just that, than in any other form of, or no, footwear. And, per Rip, coaching new lifters to lift in any other way than the most efficient one, is bad in and of itself. Even if said lifter still ends up progressing at some rate.
Which shoe should we get? Romaleos, SABO deadlifting shoes, adipower? 0.5 or 0.75 heel for 5'7 height?
Incorrect to say lifting barefoot is damaging on the feet. Not really. Barefoot provides the best form of neuro activation that can actually boost your squat numbers through effective feedback. Of course you need reasonable ankle mobility which you can derive by placing your heels on a 2.5kg flat plate
Lifting bare foot can get your foot callus though so its not entirely incorrect. I got on on my left toe, its not a big deal but annoying. Its just never go, no matter how many time I cut it, patch it up.
Yeah I am barefoot training. Its good. But its just take me so far, to go beyond that, I need to train in solid shoes.
Love Rip but anyone else prefer to lift barefoot or minimalist? Might as well train the feet while you train the rest, right?
These vids are gold!
Great video Thank you! planning to buy weightlifting shoes now!
Was that guy in the movie SUPER TROOPERS?
But Matt Winning (multiple world record holder) at Winning Strength says to use flat sole shoes and that you don't want your knee to cone forward. So who am I to believe?
Don't most Westside guys lift in Chucks?
They squat very, very atypically, though. In a way which is far enough removed from the usual/ "naive" way of doing it, that it's unlikely to have much bearing on "Starting" anything.
Rippetoe's way, has likely gotten more initially non-serious lifters to 315, probably even 405, than any other single, consistent program.
The Westside Way, just may have gotten more lifters from 900 to 1000 lbs than any other. But that's still a rather small clique of subjects...
You should make a video about Chapstick. How to apply it and what kind to buy
I am glad we still have them coming. Will there be a video about using belts?
using shoes too soon will prevent you from getting natural ankle flexibility. The raised heels basically cheat you out of developing proper ankle mobility to start with, which is usually one of the primary reasons people cant get all the way down and keep proper forms, that and tight hamstrings. Training without shoes when you are learning to lift properly and still on light weights would be far more advantageous in ensuring that you develop the correct flexibility and the right patterns for lifting so that when you go heavy you are less likely to do yourself a mischief.
sorry, can i check that there should be no wriggle room for the toes is this correct?
great video series!!
Anyone have problems with quad tendinitis from squat shoes?
Love these videos and Rippetoe!
Crossfit Lifting Shoes Best review here
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I heard that wrestling shoes are good for weightlifting. Are those type of shoes good for weightlifting?
+Zuriel Garcia If you want something similar to chucks, its wrestling shoes.
No where near weightlifting shoe.
I deadlift and squat in Asics wrestling shoes, been doing this 30 years.
1:42 - What if you work out a home?
"Well it's not natural to squat in a gym,
With a revolving sleeve barbell and plates...
And a power rack.....
And me teaching you how to do it either."
LMFAO
I lift in Chucks Rip.
Is it just me or is there a typo in the thumbnail?
This might be a stupid question, but should you use weightlifting shoes (with a heel) when you do lowbar squats?
+Jostein Rekustad yep you can still use them
One of the best channels I subscribe to👍🏻.
whats the name of the intro music??
Can you put a link to the shoe that you used
Starting Strength: You shouldn't lift barefoot. It's not natural to squat in a gym.
Squat University: Squatting is a natural human activity that should be done in a natural foot position.
Me: I hurt my back deadlifting the Starting Strength way, but achieved my best deadlift barefoot. I think I'll listen to the guy who's helped me recover from injuries.
wheres the other new videos ?
Glad I bought my chucks before watching this video.
How is lifting heavy weight barefoot potentially going to damage the foot exactly? ?
It won't. It's the exact same as lifting in a non-compression shoe except for no arch support or a lifted heel. If your feet are healthy they'll be able to be progressively overloaded as well.
Mark is awesome
My only problem with weightlifting/squat shoes is that when I use them to squat I feel pain in my knees for some strange reason.
When Mark says 'you gotta figure out where that shit stops', my answer is 'At the bottom of the rep' ;)
What are some good Olympic weightlifting shoes you may recommend?
Rogue Of Life Check out the starting strength wiki, they have some great recommendations
vidform Seconded.
vidform 199 dollar is too expensive for a student like me smh
From affordable to expensive:
Do-wins
Adidas Powerlift
Adidas adipower/Nike romaleos
I know plenty of strong dudes who each wear one of the above. The do-wins I believe are the ones in this video, if not they're exactly like them.
BAF weightlifting shoes (made by quest). Theres many on ebay (quest is selling them, not some random person) that you cam get for under ) $100.
Can someone please explain this to me? Can I use my olympic lifting shoes while deadlifting too? Since the heels are a bit raised, won't that create problems?
Weightlifting shoes will make deadlifts slightly more difficult. Some lifters have separate flat shoes that they use for deadlifting.
I deadlift in oly shoes because i can feel my hamstrings working harder, and i want to strengthen my back the most. I want to fail in the legs before my back crumbles, also my gl00ts are strong af. My max is 210 kg, yet i did 190 kg on a deficit deadlift, in oly shoes, which is a strong indicator of improved overall leg strength and back strength.
Ever since i started deadlifting in oly shoes, my stability in the squat without a belt improved (i can high bar squat more than i low bar squat, that's how stable), while my deadlift rose at the regular pace. If i ever feel like my glutes are my weakpoint, i'll just drop lower when wearing oly shoes to feel them work more, or simply wear flat shoes. Trying new stuff might help you, it helped me tremendously.
@@xshufflex1 Lots and lots of people don't have the flexibility to"keep the hips from lowering" when bending down to grab the bar, without a raised heel. Competition dead lifters obviously do. For those who don't, performing the lift in oly shoes, facilitates them in keeping the lift a pull from dead, which it's supposed to be, rather than a hybrid squat-to-a-no-longer-from-dead pull.
From there, it's basically a question of why you deadlift. If the deadlift is a main lift, effort (as in flexibility work) should be made to enable deadlifting properly with slippers. I don't believe anyone deadlifts for WRs in oly shoes. But if you're an oly-, or power/rate-of-force-production focused lifter, the deadlift is only an accessory exercise. Not a main lift. If so, you may (just may, depending...) well be better off staying with oly shoes.
In general, I'd suggest the default ought to be oly shoes. There are no more "complete" barbell exercises than the oly ones, and I don't believe anyone performs them, at a high level, in flats. Overhead squats, are incredibly awkward in flats. Yet are, by many knowledgeable coaches (throwing coaches, mainly), regarded as something akin to THE best measure of overall strength of all lifts. While no doubt major lifts in their own regard, the powerlifts are still very compartmentalised, even oversimplified, compared to full from-floor-to-locked-out-overhead lifts.
Love Mark! So funny.
Are they also useful for running/parkour ?
Der Biobotaniker they would be terrible for that. the sole is totally inflexible. for parkour check out Feiyue shoes.
mrxits Thank you !
Does Rip also endorse deadlifting in these shoes?
Terry Newton he says the 0.75 inch heel won’t make a big difference until your dead gets real(500+) big. Remember Olympic lifters clean 400 in shoes just like this. It’s easier without, but not a significant hurdle. I pull with them just because it’s less hassle than taking them off. I’m pulling 400. No worries.
mark is a great coach and all but he has no concept of personal space.
I squat with Chucks. I went looking at Weightlifting shoes one day and was shocked at the price tags.....Chucks have the flat bottom and relatively inexpensive.
Look for a sale. Can find them half price or better with coupon or sale.
Recently found $200 pair of shoes for $80
Im doing 5*5 sets 'programme' and Im not having a big progress. I wanna know others opinion on this kind of training
kadijaish eat more.
kadijaish It works great and is good for probably 95% of the training population it is intended for.
kadijaish 1. Eat more
2. Fix your form
3. Sleep more
4. Consolidate stressors
5. Stop being a little bitch and go after it
kadijaish Run Starting Strength
kadijaish How long have you been training 5x5? What are your numbers? Maybe you have plateaued? If so, maybe you should consider going for 3x3 or some other variation. Or maybe you have plateaued strenght potensiel for your muscles and need to do some hypertrophy work. Or maybe you need to pay more attention to form. Rest and recovery is very important. Nutrition is very important. Form is very important.
The point is, before you go "blaming" programmes, analyse what you are doing and how you are doing it.
Good luck.
I think this is a pretty subjective topic. I used to squat in weightlifting shoes but I now prefer to use metcons. Can't explain why but I've got a plate in my right ankle so maybe it's a mobility issue.
Deadlifting barefoot feels better to me but not much better than in metcons so I usually keep my shoes on unless I'm going for a 1-RM or something.
That being said, weightlifting shoes makes a huge difference for me with oly lifts, particularly the snatch, mostly due to my poor balance.
I lift barefoot and I dont see a problem, 'splaying' doesnt occur unless you got fat feet.
Flat or Fat?
Do a "How to bench press" video please and thank you :)
Really how old are you, I'm 16 and I can bench 225, anyways I'll make a video I upload monday
***** I'll, pls excuse my grammar
***** I'll be waiting to see a video of you benching 225. Thanks bud.
Would converse work as lifting shoes?
michael bryant That's addressed in the video
michael bryant For me they work perfectly fine. Depends on your mobility though. I can do a highbar squat in chucks and still go well below parallel. And I can't say I've felt a lack of support yet.
I'm only a recreational lifter, though so that might be different for people handling greater loads.
Rippetoe's a close talker.
I noticed that also. Atypically so for a Texan. Dudes down there, are used to lots of space.
legend
Everything he's saying makes perfect sense except for the natural/not natural bit. Squatting is a natural movement. Picking up weight in any form whether it be barbell, log, rock, wild boar, blonde, brunette, or whatever and squatting with it isn't unnatural. Progressive loading isn't even unnatural. Obviously Rip is no amateur, and weightlifting champs all use these shoes as it makes the whole process easier, and they aren't weak by any stretch. Still, wouldn't it make sense to strengthen your feet as you increase the load since the lift depends on them, and if your feet can't handle the load it means that they're the weak link that should be improved before you move up in weight, and isn't this the same principle that's applied to every other part of the kinetic chain in strength training movements? Can strong enough feet mitigate the need for weightlifting shoes, even if it means taking more time to increase your numbers? And then, how much carry over will these stronger feet have for other aspects of fitness?
Please do a bench press video!!!!!!!!!
Bench is useless except for getting better at benching.
Do incline/decline, or skull crushers if you must use the bench.
Isolation if muscle groups that you're working on is key-
For biceps I like preacher curls, standing overhand curl circuits.
Triceps I like pull downs with the rope grip, pull overs with the v-grip
Chest incline/decline close grip press or flies with dumbbells
Etc.
Isolate.
Scienfist9 The University of Nogains, Snapcityville would officially like to invite you as a lecturer for its Broscience course this semester.
Scienfist9 I'm sure hoping you're kidding.
Emil Wrentner Hope? As in you think he could possibly be serious? About the University of Nogains in Snapcityville?
***** scienfist9 never said anything about that?
I train in running shoes, is that bad?
Viktor Hald It's really not recommended. They are unstable.
Check out the ss wiki, they have some slow mo videos of what happens when you power clean in running shoes vs weightlifting shoes
Squishy, not stable.
I use hiking shoes, They’re very comfortable to me.
Shoe salespeople always claim you're supposed to replace your shoes every year. I realize that's for daily use but if Rip has had his shoes for 17 years, they really should be replaced since the entire shoe starts to break down!
Shaine MacDonald negative. The part that wears is the EVA foam which only works up to about 400 miles. Weightlifting shoes are designed to do the complete opposite. There’s nothing to wear out short of the sole itself. The upper will last practically forever in a gym setting.
I chuckle every time the man dismisses the stupid.
You don't squat barefoot? I squat barefoot people are made to be barefoot I have adipowers but feels super unnatural way to tight toebox
Yeah I wish Mark was my grandfather lol mine are dead and never thought me shit
bestweightliftingshoes.net/weightlifting/best-cheap-weightlifting-shoe/
They should have taught you how to spell
Off topic, I think it would be awesome if you could interview on podcast or video James Yeager
i like this guy! lol
I love this guy, no homo
did rippetoe ignore a more upright torso (the result of forward knee travel)? any more evidence needed for his obsoleteness?
Vibram Five Fingers are perfectly fine for heavy lifting.
betaomega04 That's what I use as well. No 'squish' on those either lol
Agreed.
geniusaza Does attempting to insult someone you don't know over the internet make you feel like a man?
How simple your life must be to afford such meager affirmations.
“There’s no phlutt.”
Note to shoemakers - here's a market. ;)
Did you guys notice how Brett slightly leans backwards when Rip enters his personal space like he didn't want to give up a foot to the enemy ?
I really have to object with a lot this guy says.
There is no real issue in lifting barefoot, its only a problem if you aren't training that way and the extra ankle stability and mobility come into play (and you don't adjust technique for it).
Secondly, the bass is so that this isnt any variable give across the shoe. If you have padded running shoes on, the compression across the sole is too variable and can cause lateral pressure in your foot. Aka welcome to snap city.
You dont wear these shoes for deadlifts (most dont that I have seen anyway), and if you are squatting, then the compression of when you lift isn't going to change because the weight of the bar will force it down before you start.
This guy is giving advice what appears to be from his time, and a lot has advanced since then. (Reflected in stronger lifts in all sports and categories).
Love the format of the series, but this guy isn't the best with his information!
*****
Ok, sorry, you're full of it.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
***** WOW so much assumptions, So litlle know. Even lift bro?
geniusaza sullydawg here you go, you weak-ankled fucks: www.t-nation.com/training/truth-about-barefoot-training
68w86 Yeah.
Where's the DATA to support all this gobbledygook?
And why is it, exactly, that the strongest people IN THE WORLD don't display their strength, on the Olympic platform or at power meets, in bare feet? Hmmm?
You answer. We'll wait.
Am I the only one that thought he meant weightlifting shoes, as in lifting shoes... Oh, I am? Okay.
Ya'll realize, all beasts of burdens get shoes. Horses & oxen come to mind. You're not different than them. You need shoes too.
Squats in oly shoes are good but I was squatting barefoot for a very long time and some people prefer barefoot or something flat like chucks.
yeah. Pretty much the only thing i disagree with mark. You shouldnt squat in running shoes or Crox or something like that but barefoot is totally fine. Just look at strongman-competitions. Deadlifts or variants of deadlifts are usually done in socks or barefoot (to minimize range) and no foot gets hurt so how is squatting supposed to hurt your naked foot while deadlift, with more weight (especially if we talk about car deadlifts, which are quite a bit heavier than regular deadlifts) obviously doesnt. I think Mark needs to apply his, usually extremely good observationskills to his shoedogma.
PS: I did also squat barefoot for a very long time. Think i went up as high as 190kg barefoot before i even bought shoes. Now i squat with shoes just because i need to squat in shoes on a competition but i really dont feel as if the shoes would give me an edge or something. I think i could squat my 1RM barefoot just as good as with shoes.
@@joethesheep4675 Comparing professional lifters to your average joe is inane. The point is that the beginner/intermediate lifter has not conditioned their feet to the point that they can lift safely without some arch support.
@@BlGGESTBROTHER Rip doesnt say "professional lifters". Rip says everyone that comes into the gym first day needs to use lifting shoes. On a comp it ofc makes sense to use every piece of equipment you are allowed to use that might give you an edge but when you are just starting off you dont need any equipment at all. My point about deadlifts in strongman is that it is obviously not necessary to wear shoes when lifting and that holds true for beginners just as it does for competitors. The beginner has weaker feet just as he has a weaker lift.
"The point is that the beginner/intermediate lifter has not conditioned their feet to the point that they can lift safely without some arch support." - Ahhhhhh ok. Now i get the problem. You are the type of person who thinks that you need to do stretches and conditioning and mobility work for 6 months before you can even start lifting. You are wrong, quite simply. If you are not already a medical emergency you can and should squat, bench press, overheadpress and deadlift right from the gettgo. Your body will adapt and your form will improve starting with day 1 and all issues you might have performing these lifts will adopt accordingly (thats the whole point of training). Having completely healthy ppl do mobility and conditioning is a complete waste of time. I do get the legal part of it, tho. I mean that, as a coach you dont want to be sued but from the standpoint of effective training it makes 0 sense.
@@joethesheep4675 I never said Rip said that. I was referring to your comment.
You said, "Just look at strongman-competitions. " As if your average joe lifter should follow what the top 1% do.That's just stupid.
"Having completely healthy ppl do mobility and conditioning is a complete waste of time."
You're actually an idiot. The average person has worn shoes their entire life. Their feet are accustomed to having tensile/arch support that a shoe provides. On top of that a shoe can reduce the impact of a weight that is dropped on the foot, especially its ability to lacerate the skin.
Why the fuck would you ever recommend someone who lifts weight at a non professional level not to wear shoes. Oh and by the way, there's plenty of pros that wear lifting shoes too. So your entire fucking point is moot.
@@BlGGESTBROTHER
i adressed that....
Nah man. You are an idiot but i guess we wont find common ground here.
Why would you drop a weight on your foot? + If you drop a significant weight on your foot it doesnt make much difference if you wear a lifting shoe or not. Fracture or open fracture thats the question. And by that logic everyone would need to wear steel-toed shoes in the gym then but, regarding your arguments i wouldnt wonder if you think that thats a wonderful idea.
"Why the fuck would you ever recommend someone who lifts weight at a non professional level not to wear shoes." - "The average person has worn shoes their entire life. Their feet are accustomed to having tensile/arch support that a shoe provides." Ontop of that its simply a bad idea to invest "a lot" (yeah shoes arent that expensiensieve but still) of money into something you havent even tried out yet. A smart person would FIRST take a look if something is enjoyable and THEN invest into the activity not the other way around.
"Oh and by the way, there's plenty of pros that wear lifting shoes too. So your entire fucking point is moot." - Not on the deadlift (which i was specifically refering to) because it makes the lift harder and thats the last thing a pro would want in a competition.
Make sure they match with your purse.
Having a different type of shoe won't do really anything to your weightlifting overall. It's like putting a dime on your weights and expect it to give you more weight to lift.
Try squatting in running shoes
did you listen to anything he said in the video?
@@danielb9625 Or ski boots.....
Kind of makes sense that Rip has the oldest and crustiest Weightlifting Shoes
I almost always squat barefooted and so do a lot of powerlifters even when they're competing and setting world records. They're called weightlifting shoes because they're used for olympic weightlifting. Olympic weightlifting as a sport itself is just called "weightlifting," only people who don't know the actual name of the sport call it olympic weightlifting.
You cant compete barefoot dah
You don't even lift
nobody squats barefoot in competiton mate, its not allowed
There go my chucks :'(
I bought some yesterday lol but I've been watching Rip's videos for a couple months and I have his book. He says that the low bar back squat is the only squat and that other variations are useless except for some exceptions.
Chucks are like the high bar back squat. It's a perfectly good squat which Mark Rippetoe is going to dismiss as completely useless even though it's simply not quite as good as the low bar back squat.