I've done overhead presses for years. And I never knew the grip modification, hip throw, or the shrug at the top. It's crazy how you can go from apparently knowledgeable in something to a complete beginner with the help of a true expert.
+Josh Haines Hi Josh. I would be grateful if you could answer these questions: How many years have you been doing OHP? How much could you lift with your "old" form/technique before watching this video? (2 months ago) I'm just curious.
This "demonstration" of the physiology and movement of the scapula was completely unexpected, but outstanding. This would be helpful to many people, who would never look at a video on overhead press. It is a hidden gem that deserves broader exposure for people with upper back problems!
Mark has been the main contributor to my lifting. Thanks to his coaching videos I've made extraordinary gains in the past 11 months. DL 135 --> 380lbs 1RM; Squat 95lbs --> 335lbs 1RM; OHP 65 --> 135lbs 1RM; Bench 65 --> 225lbs 1RM; Thanks for adding more of his content onto the interwebs.
Adronomics Just hitting 7 months. I stalled a few weeks ago, but I think it is due to lack of sleep (work night shift). I really need to get this squat form together. Everything is fine. Deadlist still continue to go up but squat and press stall.
It certainly does take all your faculties to be in order for you to get over those humps. I was feeling a little tendonitis in Dec which slowed down my squats. I got it back up though. I'd recommend adding some volume work after all your heavy sets are finished. By that I mean just do the same exercises by with lighter weight & higher repetitions. You gotta add muscle to get stronger, something people tend to forget.
Adronomics Yes, that's what I do currently. It's kinda hard on squats because I am usually exhausted with the required sets that my form breaks down. I am still trying to learn my body when it comes to squatting. I am very flexible in the hole and that kinda works against me. Still playing with my feet width because my inner thigh (abductors I believe) are very sorry afterwards.
I've had some shoulder issues off and on for 20 years, during which time many different people, ranging from novice basement lifters to personal trainers to physical therapists to chiropractors have told me to stop overhead pressing. I was never able to bring myself to stop, but I never tried to increase weight on this lift, always keeping it under 120 lbs and just repping sets out. The information Mr. Rippetoe explained here in regards to how the shoulder works and why the OHP is not bad for the shoulder is so clear and concise and helpful I can't begin to explain what an eyeopener it is for me. I feel as if I've wasted the last decade and a half babying a shoulder when I could have been making things better. Thank you for sharing this video. I'll be seeking out more of Mark Rippetoe's information.
He can't raise his arms anymore to type a reply. Yeah...there's no such thing as shoulder impingement...it's all been imagined by thousands of athletes for decades . Some folks get off on being contrarian (to the conventional understandings of things) so much that it ultimately and eventually tends to infect and erode the quality of their advice. Certainly there are times when a better and different understanding of a thing can show that earlier beliefs and understandings were wrong...and some other times trying to one-up the prevailing medical and physiological understanding of a sports injury...is just plain wrong and potentially harmful.
@@Droverification At no point did Mark claim that shoulder impingement doesn't exist, YOU are putting words in his mouth. I've had shoulder impingement and babied my shoulders for a long while not making any strength or muscle gains for fear of hurting my shoulders again. I found some workarounds- OHP being one of them and I've been able to build bigger and stronger shoulders without any impingement issues. Mark is spot on on the physiological side of things.
Nah ... you are putting words into my mouth and making a complete red-herring argument. I didn't say this blow-hard stated shoulder impingement doesn't exist.. I said he enjoys being contrarian to many decades of accumulated knowledge of athletes and thousands of medically trained professionals, who have experienced and witnessed shoulder impingement directly caused and aggravated by OHP... but this guy spends the entire second half of the video blathering on and literally states among other false things, that impingement during OHP is "impossible" and that it can only occur during bench press with elbows too wide. It's total crap and dangerously false information..."shrug" at the top of the movement or not. Bench press certainly can cause impingement. So does OHP. Glad your shoulders are improving... your individual experience does nothing to negate the false information this guy presented or the many thousands of athletes who have had shoulder damage even from properly performed OHP., but who can still bench press successfully, some over 400lbs without any shoulder pain or impingement, once OHP had been eliminated from the training regimen. I am exactly such a one... and whereas one person who CAN do shoulder press without pain (you) doesn't prove a thing to negate many thousands who do suffer from it... one person who CAN'T do OHP without shoulder impingement but who can very successfully bench press (ME -- even forgetting the many thousands of others just like me and the thousands of medical doctors trained in anatomy and sports medicine who agree with us)...DOES entirely disprove and negate a stupid statement that "shoulder impingement is impossible from OHP".
I've been lifting for 20 years and seen a lot of demonstration videos but this series is the best. I am going to try his cues next time I press. Great explanation on the impingement!
Art of Manliness Awesome i was already using this technique,But then again i always start my first rep from the floor to overhead maybe that helped me i dunno
Its called not using a rack so to get it up to do my first rep i get it off the ground and up then i proceed with my reps.....ya real hard to understand.
***** He is saying that he gets fatigued before the first rep, because he does not use a cage, he has to clean the weight up into the "rack position", causing fatigue in the shoulders, because that is one of the target muscles with a clean. Why was that so hard for you to understand?
Just like in boxing and MMA where they often cut out below the waist. I guess a lot of fans prefer a good view of the face getting punched over understanding what's going on.
By learning how to be more efficient, I can maximize my myself and prevent injuries. This is why i love working out. Always learning and tweaking from the best.
This coach is very good. One of the better ones I've seen. I did competitive weight lifting for several years. I learned a lot of this slowly. He would have saved me a lot of time and effort.
Ebvardh Boss Indeed. Can be very dangerous besides the fact that if you want to compete, technique is paramount. It has gotten a lot more scientific since sports realized it enhances performance vice the old myth that athletes would become muscle bound. Lots of advances.
DannoCrutch A little less than 10 years ago when I first started lifting, I was lucky enough to be given (as a gift from my dad) Mark's book "Starting Strength". Saying that it was *immensely* useful would be an understatement.
Whats up with the down votes? Rip is legendary and I have learned so much from him. Quality speaker and full of knowledge. The grip and how to shoulder press properly was explained amazingly here. Thanks guys
I tried this out in the gym today. I am going to move from a seated press to standing. This grip really helped with my stability with the movement. Thanks!
I usually get irritated by long explanations but rip's wisdom is golden. I could listen to his strength training knowledge for hours. I learned a lot in twelve minutes!
Wow....superb instructional vid by Mark Rippetoe. Not only how to perfectly perform a press, which I did not know and I have lifted for decades, but a succinct anatomy lesson that clearly illustrates how the scapula operates. Thanks.
I’ve been working out for 12 years religiously and watched your videos and realized I’ve been making mistakes in my bench and Shoulder presses. Thanks!
Thank your Mark, and thank you Brett. This was very enlightening. I have (of course) read the book from cover to cover and implemented most of it. But still, it was very valuable to see the movements and the coaching. Also, geeking out a little on the anatomy. My biggest take-aways from this was: 1. Grip. 2. Hip-movement. 3. Shrug at end. I think you did very well, by the way, Brett.
Best video on the overhead press. I have been in weight lifting several decades and this one is the one that explains why the correct method is needed for results.
Mr. Rippetoe, your explanations are spot on correct, it is a real pleasure to listen to someone like yourself that really understands their subject, well done Sir.
I always dreaded overhead press. It kinda hurt and felt awake. I've been doing in wrong for years? My grip was too wide. His demonstration on where the grip should be and the range of motion of the exercise has changed my view on this exercise. I will not only rely on the bench press now.
In what way does it hurt? I have had shoulder impingement and started OHP while I still had the injury and if anything I got better. I hear that the positioning of the elbows is key i.e. front, forearms vertical and grip should not be wide.
3:00 That advice on hand position is also very useful for the bench press, let the bar rest on the forearm bones. It also gives you the best and almost automatic PERFECT angle for the elbow.
Today is my OHP day. Found this video few minutes before my workout session and applied the grip method showed in the video. I'm really surprise how much it improved my lift and I able to squeeze another 2 reps instead of 5 reps. Every reps felt stronger and solid, compared to last week session where lighter load felt heavier and I only able to perform 5 reps with a wrist discomfort. I read the book, but everything is clearer when I watched this video. Thank you lord Mark.
I tried this and absolutely everything he said worked really well. It takes some repetition to get the movement pattern ingrained but the efficiency of the movement encourages you to learn it.
Subscribed the moment he explained the hand placement, what detail! I just started working out again and have been binge watching bodybuilding videos yet not ONE! has emphasized hand placement. Guess that must be why Arnold says modern body builders have forgotten the basics.
Just came across ur AoM and am enjoying ur Chanel immensely. Great tips and u met the awesome Mark Rippetoe! I learnt to lift correctly from him and am the strongest I've ever been in my life at 52yrs old. Respect to both of you..
This guy is great, in another of his videos he completely removed pain I was experiencing in my shoulders and arms from squatting that lasted months. He's awesome!
I love hearing about the technical aspects of lifting, how small adjustments can improve the lift and the science behind it! This really helped improve my press. Thank you.
Thank you. The press grip you demonstrated was f***ing beautiful I was actually doing presses while watching this video. My press feels 10 times better. Thanks again!!!
watching the comment section of a video involving Rippetoe is better than watching a Clint Eastwood movie. Rippetoe is a badass mufkr. Thankfully I started my lifting journey watching videos of Rippetoe. Every single strength trainee must watch his video to learn and understand the basic barbell movements.
Well, the barbell exercises are the most technical ones after all. Theyre not so straightforward, no noob knows how to do them because if you do them intuitively youre gonna get hurt eventually. For example the deadlift, seems really intuitive how to pick the bar up, but you should be in discomfort instead of comfort after youve set up properly.
Impingement in the AP depends on many factors. The type of AP you have (it does vary from person to person) aswell as your scapula humeral rhythm and your posture. The exercise isn't bad as long as you have proper rhythm and the head doesnt bump the AP on its way up. the problem is Rippetoe is manually rotating a bone about his back. That doesn't mean that's what your scapula does. So to say it "cannot" is not true at all. There are degrees of impingement that depend on how much the AP rubs on tendons.
+newboldspawn Marks a great coach wish i had met someone like him when i was young enough to be a factor lol. Still love lifting but im on the down hill slide really gotta work hard for them gains now 8).
+Captain Beeftits How many years have you been alive Captain Beeftits (if you don't mind me asking, of course. I'm young but often inspired to see mature-aged people still going at it.) All the best to you and goodluck with your training! :)
Perhaps he has checked resources. But sometimes you don't know what to double check. He probably figured the movement of the exercise is what he needed to check so the last thing he thought of was something simple as how to grip the bar.
I am a fan of Mr. Rippetoe's work. That being said, I am very skeptical of his explanation as to why you can bench more than you can overhead. His reasoning - that the greater number of joints involved in a standing press "leak" force - does not jibe with my intuition and understanding of physics. It seems much more reasonable to me that the difference is due to the fact that the pectoral muscles are larger and possess greater leverage than the deltoids. My own experience, however, very much agrees with what he's saying about the OHP causing impingement. I've had a lot of shoulder impingement issues, but they were always exacerbated by benching and almost never affected by overheads.
every joint leaks force / power somewhat - if its not tight, its a power leakage. you need the power transfer to through the whole body - when you over head press, you might bend too much at the ankles or they may not be in an optimal position and the surrounding muscles may not be tight, which will reduce power. I don't think the amount of joints involved make a lift weaker at all though, but they do have a potential to leak power but you can reduce this effect. the deadlift is arguably the strongest lift yet uses every joint in the body - but if you read 'andy Bolton - deadlift dynamite' he explains this is more detail.
My thinking is that you have a lot more range to push the bar over with OHP than with bench. Logically you can push/pull more weight if it's done over a shorter distance than a longer one. I may be wrong on that, but that's always struck me as a limiting factor. The difference in which muscle groups are targeted also make sense to me, as does the difference in how/where the bar is balanced at full extension relative to bench press, which lines up with what Rip is talking about.
Just finished my first week of Starting Strength and am super pumped about it. I've done all of these lifts in the past except for the overhead press. I'm glad Mark is bringing this back and teaching us how to do it, because I hardly ever see this done at my gym, let alone done properly.
Holy shit. I am not joking this video is so fucking good. I'm 6ft 2 struggling with fucking 45kg ohp for 5 reps, can only do 3 before I gas out. I literally watched this 1 minute ago, squeezed my ass, armpits and abs, pronate grip etc. I breezed through 5 reps I was amazed!! Highly recommend you follow this video steps if you're struggling
I started on Rips Squats and Deadlifts 5 weeks ago and my stuffed back is giving me almost no pain now. I have gone from squatting with the empty bar to 80 kg (176 p) in 5 weeks, and I'm 52 years old. Good on ya Rip (from Aust)
I've done overhead presses for years. And I never knew the grip modification, hip throw, or the shrug at the top. It's crazy how you can go from apparently knowledgeable in something to a complete beginner with the help of a true expert.
+Josh Haines Hi Josh. I would be grateful if you could answer these questions:
How many years have you been doing OHP?
How much could you lift with your "old" form/technique before watching this video? (2 months ago)
I'm just curious.
G Coy funny when this isn't even a powerlift.
Josh, I'm also curious how much those changes helped. For instance, did it help pushing beyond a plateau?
Josh Haines then you haven’t been overhead pressing
G Coy except the ohp is not a powerlifting movement
Rippetoe is straight gangsta, all walkin' around with a scapula in his back pocket.
PatientVelociraptor He took the lifting cue literally.
LOL I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING
Chris Arsenault the scapula is from the last guy who fucked with rippletoe
MUAHAHA!
I walk around with a banana holster, in case things get heated
That grip explanation is ground breaking for me. Cant wait to overhead press tonight
How'd it work out?
Iv been having BAD wrist pain. Do you think this will alleviate my pain? The new grip that is
Yep, mine went from severe to NONE by switching to this grip. It really makes sense.
Read the book but I don't really get about this grip. I'm really surprised how easy my OHP become after I changed my grip.
i use that grip to bench at times and it feels solid
Mark Rippetoe carries the bones of his enemies in his pocket.
This made me chuckle!
Hell yeah he does!
TOPKEK
@TJ P people who called him fat, you don't live long enough to do it twice
@TJ P this is clearly a lie
This "demonstration" of the physiology and movement of the scapula was completely unexpected, but outstanding. This would be helpful to many people, who would never look at a video on overhead press. It is a hidden gem that deserves broader exposure for people with upper back problems!
Mark has been the main contributor to my lifting. Thanks to his coaching videos I've made extraordinary gains in the past 11 months.
DL 135 --> 380lbs 1RM;
Squat 95lbs --> 335lbs 1RM;
OHP 65 --> 135lbs 1RM;
Bench 65 --> 225lbs 1RM;
Thanks for adding more of his content onto the interwebs.
Adronomics Hey those look like my numbers right now. How long have you been lifting?
About 11 months, yourself?
Adronomics Just hitting 7 months. I stalled a few weeks ago, but I think it is due to lack of sleep (work night shift). I really need to get this squat form together. Everything is fine. Deadlist still continue to go up but squat and press stall.
It certainly does take all your faculties to be in order for you to get over those humps. I was feeling a little tendonitis in Dec which slowed down my squats. I got it back up though.
I'd recommend adding some volume work after all your heavy sets are finished. By that I mean just do the same exercises by with lighter weight & higher repetitions. You gotta add muscle to get stronger, something people tend to forget.
Adronomics Yes, that's what I do currently. It's kinda hard on squats because I am usually exhausted with the required sets that my form breaks down. I am still trying to learn my body when it comes to squatting. I am very flexible in the hole and that kinda works against me. Still playing with my feet width because my inner thigh (abductors I believe) are very sorry afterwards.
"This is the scapula." = Mark Rippetoe carries the bones of the people who've messed with him.
"...this is all that's left of Frank. Frank didn't listen to me."
Mark Rippetoe is the best! It's great that he is being exposed more in this video.
+AlphaDestiny Lol you're right, you're everywhere
roycegracie11 said fan of steve cook
@@roycegracie11 what's more "beta", a guy pursuing his dreams or a troll talking shit behind a screen?
Changed your mind now haven't you.
@James D I wish I could choose my height
I've had some shoulder issues off and on for 20 years, during which time many different people, ranging from novice basement lifters to personal trainers to physical therapists to chiropractors have told me to stop overhead pressing. I was never able to bring myself to stop, but I never tried to increase weight on this lift, always keeping it under 120 lbs and just repping sets out. The information Mr. Rippetoe explained here in regards to how the shoulder works and why the OHP is not bad for the shoulder is so clear and concise and helpful I can't begin to explain what an eyeopener it is for me. I feel as if I've wasted the last decade and a half babying a shoulder when I could have been making things better. Thank you for sharing this video. I'll be seeking out more of Mark Rippetoe's information.
How's your shoulder nowadays?
He can't raise his arms anymore to type a reply. Yeah...there's no such thing as shoulder impingement...it's all been imagined by thousands of athletes for decades .
Some folks get off on being contrarian (to the conventional understandings of things) so much that it ultimately and eventually tends to infect and erode the quality of their advice. Certainly there are times when a better and different understanding of a thing can show that earlier beliefs and understandings were wrong...and some other times trying to one-up the prevailing medical and physiological understanding of a sports injury...is just plain wrong and potentially harmful.
@@Droverification At no point did Mark claim that shoulder impingement doesn't exist, YOU are putting words in his mouth.
I've had shoulder impingement and babied my shoulders for a long while not making any strength or muscle gains for fear of hurting my shoulders again. I found some workarounds- OHP being one of them and I've been able to build bigger and stronger shoulders without any impingement issues. Mark is spot on on the physiological side of things.
Nah ... you are putting words into my mouth and making a complete red-herring argument. I didn't say this blow-hard stated shoulder impingement doesn't exist.. I said he enjoys being contrarian to many decades of accumulated knowledge of athletes and thousands of medically trained professionals, who have experienced and witnessed shoulder impingement directly caused and aggravated by OHP... but this guy spends the entire second half of the video blathering on and literally states among other false things, that impingement during OHP is "impossible" and that it can only occur during bench press with elbows too wide. It's total crap and dangerously false information..."shrug" at the top of the movement or not. Bench press certainly can cause impingement. So does OHP. Glad your shoulders are improving... your individual experience does nothing to negate the false information this guy presented or the many thousands of athletes who have had shoulder damage even from properly performed OHP., but who can still bench press successfully, some over 400lbs without any shoulder pain or impingement, once OHP had been eliminated from the training regimen. I am exactly such a one... and whereas one person who CAN do shoulder press without pain (you) doesn't prove a thing to negate many thousands who do suffer from it... one person who CAN'T do OHP without shoulder impingement but who can very successfully bench press (ME -- even forgetting the many thousands of others just like me and the thousands of medical doctors trained in anatomy and sports medicine who agree with us)...DOES entirely disprove and negate a stupid statement that "shoulder impingement is impossible from OHP".
@@Droverification
TLDR.
If you are lacking the eloquence (and paragraphs!) then a forum, not a RUclips section is what you need.
I've been lifting for 20 years and seen a lot of demonstration videos but this series is the best. I am going to try his cues next time I press. Great explanation on the impingement!
This is public service, thanks Mark Rippetoe and Art of Manliness, precious information.
Seriously, you need to do more episodes with Rippetoe. This was one of your biggest hits on the channel Brett.
When Mark talks, we listen. We show our respect.
@Lakers fan lol
@Lakers fan Many top weightlifters are kinda fat. What's your point?
@LA Lakers he's a strength coach, not a weightloss guru. He's excellent at what he does.
As someone just getting into working out with mostly barbell workouts,this series is great! Thanks for the awesome content!
How to Overhead Press With Mark Rippetoe buff.ly/1bl4CdZ #startingstrength
Art of Manliness Awesome i was already using this technique,But then again i always start my first rep from the floor to overhead maybe that helped me i dunno
Its called not using a rack so to get it up to do my first rep i get it off the ground and up then i proceed with my reps.....ya real hard to understand.
***** You are a fucking idiot with 0 comprehension skills.
***** He is saying that he gets fatigued before the first rep, because he does not use a cage, he has to clean the weight up into the "rack position", causing fatigue in the shoulders, because that is one of the target muscles with a clean.
Why was that so hard for you to understand?
***** lol yep
The camera man really dropped the ball on this one. The trick to the press as Rip teaches it is in the hips, which are out of shot.
exactly-I was literally watchinh and saying wtf zoom out.
Most of the video is totally out of focus too. The content is excellent but it's difficult to watch.
Just like in boxing and MMA where they often cut out below the waist. I guess a lot of fans prefer a good view of the face getting punched over understanding what's going on.
Total waste of a great video and fantastic instructor - you gotta see the hips!!
“The two eminences of my palm”... I’m going to be working this phrase into conversation now
So hes just gonna pull a scapula out of thin air and go on like shit didn't happen?
I know right! "As I was saying, for-instance consider this human heart that I carry around for demonstrations!"????!!!!
I went from pressing 150 to 170lbs 2 months after watching this for the first time. Back again to refresh my memory so I can take down 185+ soon.
Pfft I went from pressing 135 to 200 lbs in a year ... by push pressing lol
Go get it man!
Rip is the only dude who just carries around a spare scapula.
I cracked up when he just casually pulled out his spare scapula😂
LMAO HAHAHA
I literally just read this after he whipped it out
Said scapula probably extracted from the dead body of a crossfitter :)
OMG THAT IS HILARIOUS
The pure knowledge in one Person. Mark Ripptoe is an Idol, a really great teacher.
Mark = Professional = Beast
Will Ferrell Ripp is a D Bag
+Mak Muk true. very tradtional is his weakness
Hardest lift for me to get the form right on: 8 months of OHP, and I'm still learning. Love Mark, great instructor.
i know 6 year old comment, but same. I'm struggling hard with it.
By learning how to be more efficient, I can maximize my myself and prevent injuries. This is why i love working out. Always learning and tweaking from the best.
This coach is very good. One of the better ones I've seen. I did competitive weight lifting for several years. I learned a lot of this slowly. He would have saved me a lot of time and effort.
I've never done weight lifting but I understand it's not a good idea to rush the learning process.
Ebvardh Boss Indeed. Can be very dangerous besides the fact that if you want to compete, technique is paramount. It has gotten a lot more scientific since sports realized it enhances performance vice the old myth that athletes would become muscle bound. Lots of advances.
DannoCrutch A little less than 10 years ago when I first started lifting, I was lucky enough to be given (as a gift from my dad) Mark's book "Starting Strength". Saying that it was *immensely* useful would be an understatement.
@Lakers fan and Beethoven was deaf.
@Lakers fan The strongest people are 'fat'.
Gotta love the RIP. I attended a Starting Strength based course and it changed my life- been lifting incorrectly since the age of 12
You attended the course at 12 already?
@@ettc603 got his ass
I hope you meant "had been lifting incorrectly." I assume the SS course was the solution to the problem, not the cause.
Whats up with the down votes? Rip is legendary and I have learned so much from him. Quality speaker and full of knowledge. The grip and how to shoulder press properly was explained amazingly here. Thanks guys
Not looking for manliness, just strength, confidence and grace in the movements. May have found the genie I’ve been looking for! Thank you 🙏
I tried this out in the gym today. I am going to move from a seated press to standing. This grip really helped with my stability with the movement. Thanks!
I usually get irritated by long explanations but rip's wisdom is golden. I could listen to his strength training knowledge for hours. I learned a lot in twelve minutes!
Wow....superb instructional vid by Mark Rippetoe. Not only how to perfectly perform a press, which I did not know and I have lifted for decades, but a succinct anatomy lesson that clearly illustrates how the scapula operates. Thanks.
I’ve been working out for 12 years religiously and watched your videos and realized I’ve been making mistakes in my bench and Shoulder presses. Thanks!
Thank your Mark, and thank you Brett.
This was very enlightening.
I have (of course) read the book from cover to cover and implemented most of it.
But still, it was very valuable to see the movements and the coaching. Also, geeking out a little on the anatomy. My biggest take-aways from this was:
1. Grip.
2. Hip-movement.
3. Shrug at end.
I think you did very well, by the way, Brett.
Every word out of his mouth completely humbles everything I've ever learned about lifting
6:56 I absolutely love how Mark just convieniently had a scapula model on hand...
right a "model"
Best video on the overhead press. I have been in weight lifting several decades and this one is the one that explains why the correct method is needed for results.
Great series *****
Thanks!
Art of Manliness Please play TF2.
Thats my wish for my birthday
The hand placement was fucking revolutionary for me. So many times I've fucked my wrists while overhead pressing. Not anymore though.
completely agree. I've used his grip for a year, bar feels more comfortable, feels lighter, and i press way more.
Nice picture,could not tell if those were boobs or eyes lol
Mr. Rippetoe, your explanations are spot on correct, it is a real pleasure to listen to someone like yourself that really understands their subject, well done Sir.
Fantastic press video. Hand position and shrug explanation/tuning are game changers
I always dreaded overhead press. It kinda hurt and felt awake. I've been doing in wrong for years? My grip was too wide. His demonstration on where the grip should be and the range of motion of the exercise has changed my view on this exercise. I will not only rely on the bench press now.
In what way does it hurt? I have had shoulder impingement and started OHP while I still had the injury and if anything I got better. I hear that the positioning of the elbows is key i.e. front, forearms vertical and grip should not be wide.
As someone who's studied anatomy but struggled with it at many times, this was a fascinating video.
Mark Rippetoe is like the Ron Swanson of fitness.
Fr. Voice and everything
@Lakers fan he's a professional!
@Lakers fan why are you rude
God damn it, you are absolutely right. I was trying to remember who it was that he reminded me of. lok
Accurate AF 😂😂😂
I instantly fell in love with the intro/outro music. I keep my browser tab open to listen to in every now and then.
Great video, really want to extend a thank you to Mark Rippetoe for doing this.
It's seems like I saw this video yesterdey. Wow 8 years... thanks Rip and Brett for changing my life for better. 💪
3:00
That advice on hand position is also very useful for the bench press, let the bar rest on the forearm bones. It also gives you the best and almost automatic PERFECT angle for the elbow.
i love that fact this knowledge is so valuable but free at the same time.
Legend has it that is the scapula of Louie Simmons.
LMAO
This guy does a great job of explaining things! You should feature this guy more often
This guy just taught me so much. Can't wait to get in the gym and give these modifications a go.
Today is my OHP day. Found this video few minutes before my workout session and applied the grip method showed in the video. I'm really surprise how much it improved my lift and I able to squeeze another 2 reps instead of 5 reps. Every reps felt stronger and solid, compared to last week session where lighter load felt heavier and I only able to perform 5 reps with a wrist discomfort.
I read the book, but everything is clearer when I watched this video. Thank you lord Mark.
Jack Forge I bought Starting Strength a few weeks ago but I've been lazy. How about the hip thrust technique, how did it feel?
I just bought the 3rd edition of Starting Strength and now I'm going to read it in his voice.
asdf asdf I understand whhayeee
I tried this and absolutely everything he said worked really well. It takes some repetition to get the movement pattern ingrained but the efficiency of the movement encourages you to learn it.
I suddenly grew a moustache after watching this
rickdtrick This had me laughing with tears.
+rickdtrick I moustache you how that felt....
300th!
same here. kinda strange since I'm a girl though.
INK moustache adds 30 lbs to your deadlift. Every serious athlete knows that.
I just learned so much from him. Thanks Mark for doing this with Brett
Subscribed the moment he explained the hand placement, what detail! I just started working out again and have been binge watching bodybuilding videos yet not ONE! has emphasized hand placement. Guess that must be why Arnold says modern body builders have forgotten the basics.
Just came across ur AoM and am enjoying ur Chanel immensely. Great tips and u met the awesome Mark Rippetoe!
I learnt to lift correctly from him and am the strongest I've ever been in my life at 52yrs old.
Respect to both of you..
Brett looks like a new-to-lifting Jeff Cavaliere with a mustache
He looks like Mac got a mustache rise from Thorny.
HAHAHAHAAH
This guy is great, in another of his videos he completely removed pain I was experiencing in my shoulders and arms from squatting that lasted months. He's awesome!
I lost it when he said "QWAYS-EYE professional health...people"
Blaze Pig so real lol
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I love hearing about the technical aspects of lifting, how small adjustments can improve the lift and the science behind it! This really helped improve my press. Thank you.
Why would I want to lift Mark Rippetoe over my head in the first place?
Charles Vann Why wouldn't* you!
Fixed it 😉
would be a decent weight overhead tbf
It's the Overhead Press WITH Mark Rippetoe, not the Overhead Press OF Mark Rippetoe.
Charles Vann well played
Excellent humour
Thank you. The press grip you demonstrated was f***ing beautiful I was actually doing presses while watching this video. My press feels 10 times better. Thanks again!!!
Thank you for improving my press technique, Nick Offerman.
I've got the book & I'm half way through it. This series of videos augment the book nicely & really let the instructions sink in. Thanks for sharing!
Burn the book before you hurt yourself.
9:05 I don't want to turn back. Mark turns him. Classic 'look at me when I talk to you' son.
Lmao 😂 Rip is a savage
I get a real gruff school teacher vibe from Mark sometimes
watching the comment section of a video involving Rippetoe is better than watching a Clint Eastwood movie. Rippetoe is a badass mufkr. Thankfully I started my lifting journey watching videos of Rippetoe. Every single strength trainee must watch his video to learn and understand the basic barbell movements.
Only Mark Rippetoe can talk for eleven minutes on how to lift a barbell above you head.
Warren Grange 😁😁😁😁😁
Well, the barbell exercises are the most technical ones after all. Theyre not so straightforward, no noob knows how to do them because if you do them intuitively youre gonna get hurt eventually. For example the deadlift, seems really intuitive how to pick the bar up, but you should be in discomfort instead of comfort after youve set up properly.
In his book Starting Strength he dedicates 65 pages on how to put a barbell on your back and move it up and down.
I don't want to fuck with this guy.
You must not understand how technical of an exercise it is.
Your channel is everything I need man! Take it old school!
Impingement in the AP depends on many factors. The type of AP you have (it does vary from person to person) aswell as your scapula humeral rhythm and your posture. The exercise isn't bad as long as you have proper rhythm and the head doesnt bump the AP on its way up.
the problem is Rippetoe is manually rotating a bone about his back. That doesn't mean that's what your scapula does. So to say it "cannot" is not true at all. There are degrees of impingement that depend on how much the AP rubs on tendons.
vidfreak56 I've had impingement before. and I've done this and it doesn't hurt
I hope people watching this understand that this is pure gold.
Could you please upload Bench press with Mark Rippetoe!
Thank you so much for Deadlift, Squat and press tutorials :)
His hand grip advice (keeping the bar close to the wrist, as opposed to inside the fingers) is invaluable. Helped me add weight to my press.
He knows his anatomy. Knows his stuff!
Thankyou Mark I learnt the deadlift in one day thanks to you. You are very knowledgable
2:28 13 years of lifting and I never knew this
+newboldspawn Marks a great coach wish i had met someone like him when i was young enough to be a factor lol. Still love lifting but im on the down hill slide really gotta work hard for them gains now 8).
+Captain Beeftits How many years have you been alive Captain Beeftits (if you don't mind me asking, of course. I'm young but often inspired to see mature-aged people still going at it.)
All the best to you and goodluck with your training! :)
Really? I started doing it on my own because it felt better to grab the bar like that (in the palms of the hands)
Perhaps he has checked resources. But sometimes you don't know what to double check. He probably figured the movement of the exercise is what he needed to check so the last thing he thought of was something simple as how to grip the bar.
Covalent Bond 13 years ago the internet was a different thing
Greetings from the year 2021, still read the AoM articles and want to say that this vid is still solid gold.
Great voice
I'm taking an AP course, so hearing him explain all the medical reasons as to why it's good for you was great.
i like hearing him say big words.... protuberances...
love it! Ripptoe is one of the very best strength coaches out there. Love it how he smashes the overhead press myth of impingement syndrome...
It's not easy workn' with a 50mm lens and a 3.0 apature. Nice camera work.
More vids with mark please he's so knowledgable
I came for the "hwaiy"
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Jordan TheMan lmfao!!! King of the Hill
Hwich is hwai I’m here as well
Frank Underwood Style.
@@bletwort2920 Hwich is Hwy I'm here as *Hwell!*
Would you use this same grip style on the bench press or would it cause your elbows to flair too much?
This won't answer your question but I keep see your comments especially on music video like the weeknd. Love your channel
Nick Wright Yes you would, see Starting Strength, p.170
wow he didn't even reply to Nick
Not necessarily. Take a grip that allow a perpendicular forearm when the bar touches your chest. Its in the book.
Nick Wright yes same exact grip..
Ohp and hanging from a pull up bar have been fixing my shoulder problems.
Rippetoe really does have a fantastic knowledge of anatomy & physiology. Great video.
I am a fan of Mr. Rippetoe's work. That being said, I am very skeptical of his explanation as to why you can bench more than you can overhead. His reasoning - that the greater number of joints involved in a standing press "leak" force - does not jibe with my intuition and understanding of physics. It seems much more reasonable to me that the difference is due to the fact that the pectoral muscles are larger and possess greater leverage than the deltoids.
My own experience, however, very much agrees with what he's saying about the OHP causing impingement. I've had a lot of shoulder impingement issues, but they were always exacerbated by benching and almost never affected by overheads.
every joint leaks force / power somewhat - if its not tight, its a power leakage. you need the power transfer to through the whole body - when you over head press, you might bend too much at the ankles or they may not be in an optimal position and the surrounding muscles may not be tight, which will reduce power. I don't think the amount of joints involved make a lift weaker at all though, but they do have a potential to leak power but you can reduce this effect. the deadlift is arguably the strongest lift yet uses every joint in the body - but if you read 'andy Bolton - deadlift dynamite' he explains this is more detail.
Overhead press = delts + tris over a longer distance. Bench press = pecs + delts + tris over a shorter distance.
Shorter kenetic chain= more weight.. hes talking strict press, not using your legs.
My thinking is that you have a lot more range to push the bar over with OHP than with bench. Logically you can push/pull more weight if it's done over a shorter distance than a longer one. I may be wrong on that, but that's always struck me as a limiting factor. The difference in which muscle groups are targeted also make sense to me, as does the difference in how/where the bar is balanced at full extension relative to bench press, which lines up with what Rip is talking about.
Gort Baringa The pecs are mildly engaged too while pressing overhead.
Just finished my first week of Starting Strength and am super pumped about it. I've done all of these lifts in the past except for the overhead press. I'm glad Mark is bringing this back and teaching us how to do it, because I hardly ever see this done at my gym, let alone done properly.
I like when Mark says words that begin with “wh-“
I like it when Rippetoe speaks
Holy shit. I am not joking this video is so fucking good. I'm 6ft 2 struggling with fucking 45kg ohp for 5 reps, can only do 3 before I gas out. I literally watched this 1 minute ago, squeezed my ass, armpits and abs, pronate grip etc. I breezed through 5 reps I was amazed!! Highly recommend you follow this video steps if you're struggling
Love how he coaches
and also is beard and manly voice
srsly the best video on overheadpress you can bassicly watch, awesome
6:58 i just wish for a woman to look at me in the way that rip looks at that scapula
Probably watched this video a dozen times. In every one of them I caught something new to improve my form. Cheers.
thanks for posting these videos, they are very helpfull
do you have on for high or front squats?
I started on Rips Squats and Deadlifts 5 weeks ago and my stuffed back is giving me almost no pain now.
I have gone from squatting with the empty bar to 80 kg (176 p) in 5 weeks, and I'm 52 years old.
Good on ya Rip (from Aust)
Mark is so fucking smart. If only every PT had his brain.
This sir is pure gold! Thank you.