Dispensational Salvation Heresy: Faith + Works Refuted
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- In this video, I refute the heretical teaching that man was saved by faith and works in the Old Testament. This false doctrine is promoted by preachers such as Robert Breaker and Gene Kim. I pray this video provides clarity and dispels any confusion concerning this subject. God bless! -OD
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I love your videos so much and very much appreciate them! Thank you putting them out.
My only trouble is with your use of the KJV. It’s not a bad translation - it’s just tough to understand in Old English. Would you consider ever incorporating the NKJV?
Working with the KJV also might make some a bit leery to follow bc of the KJV only movement.
Love the New England accent btw lol - I’m a Bostonian that loves out west now.
Thanks!
It's by GRACE through FAITH in JESUS 😇✝️🙏 s
Yup
I suspect that the word ' believe ' may not be fully understood by some . I now know that it means to trust . I trust Jesus Christ alone for my salvation - I believe on Him . Just felt it worth considering . Your preaching is vital in this confused world . Thank you .
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All you have to do is believe the report that God gave of his son. You don't know if you're one of the elect so how can you trust him to save you? If you believe with all your heart that Jesus is the Christ the son of God and that God raised him from the dead you will be saved. That is righteousness before God. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that he is going to save you in particular. That's why when you believe on him it is counted for righteousness. If you think you believe on him as something that you do instead of Faith being a gift then you have no basis for security. You also won't find your name anywhere in the Bible. You just have to conclude that because you believe in the name of the son of God that he atoned for sin he says you are associated with him because you believe in the name of the son of God. You do not however believe that you are saved in order to be saved or trust that he will save you. It's believing that he is the Christ the son of God and that God raised him from the dead. Saving you is his part and he who promised his faithful. We trust in his character nowhere in the Bible is your name in it and he promised to save you specifically. He promised to save whoever believes in the name of the son of god. If you want a personalized it and say well I take him at his word I trust Jesus will save me it doesn't say that he's going to save you in the Bible it says that you are righteous if you believe in the name of the son of God.
I would just like to thank you for all your help in discerning salvation and discipleship. I would probably be headed straight for hell if it wasn't for your teachings. Thank you and God bless
Amen!
Same I used to be nervous and scared wondering if I'm really saved because I was still falling into sin and people like Ray comfort and other preachers were teaching repentance from sin to be saved. Now I feel calm and happy because it's by Grace through faith are we saved.
@@gregory7320 Amen brother. We can never do enough work for God to “satisfy” him.
My brother, thank you for your very clear interpretation of the word of God. May the Lord continue to bless and keep you. And I pray that the lord continues to increase you with wisdom, knowledge, and understanding.
Amen!
Amen! so many false gospels saying people in the old testament were saved differently from us and even in the tribulation period.
Yea, i think i know those guys. A lot of people with white boards, diagramming every thing, lol.
@@markjohnson9402what about revelations 14:9-11
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
I beleive once saved always saved, but how do we reconcile this? It says if ANY MAN do this.😊
Amen and amen. And God, through the Apostle John, made prophetic emphasis in the book of Revelation, that HIS Gospel, the good news of eternal salvation by faith alone in the merits of His Son's FINISHED work at Calvary, ALONE, when he described that time during the future Tribulation whereby angels were proclaiming/shouting the truth of the " everlasting gospel " - by faith alone: always has been, is now and always will be; there has never been, never will be any other way (Acts 4:12).
Amen and Amen !!!
I love, love, your style of excellent teaching, through scriptures, short but with powerful truths!!
All praise, Thanks and Glory to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
Jews has 613 commandments/laws and no one could keep. John 3:16 and Ephesians 2:8-9. Thanks for sharing. Amen
Thank you Onorato for your clear and concise teaching of Gods Holy word!
The truth is,no one was justified by the law in the Old Testament..they all was justified by believing in Jesus Christ
Well I’ve almost watched every video. I’m solid is my salvation & my life has changed .
AMEN Preech ONO HALLELUJAH!
Peace Love and Joy brothers and sisters in JESUS CHRIST!
Thank you for your teaching of the gospel brother! Without the Lord brining me to your channel, I probably would’ve never truly understood God’s grace and how to receive it! Thank you and God bless🙏🏼🙏🏼
"Salvation" in the Bible is not always eternal salvation and forgiveness of sins, salvation for Noah was through the work of building an Ark, had Noah not done the work, he would have perished in the flood. Likewise, Israel in order to experience "salvation" from Egypt, had to put the blood on the doorposts, flee into the wilderness, cross the Red Sea, etc etc. In the future, Israel will be commanded to do "the first works" (Revelation 2:5), and will be judged on the basis of their works (Revelation 2:19), in order to enter the Earthly Kingdom at the 2nd coming of Christ (Revelation 3:15-16). James writing to the 12 Tribes (James 1:1) says in James 2:21 "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?", teaching his nation that there will be works required of them to be counted worthy at the 2nd coming. There are many examples where works based salvation (not eternal salvation, but salvation from physical judgments, physical nations, etc) are prescribed, specifically to Israel. The salvation we enjoy in Christ is a spiritual salvation from future judgment, and so no physical works are required. However, Israel will need to physically endure to the end of the tribulation (Matthew 24:13) by fleeing out of Judea (Matthew 24:16) into the wilderness when the anti-christ appears. We must be diligent students of God's word to be able to discern and understand that when God does require works of certain people at certain times, that does not in any way negate the fact that eternal salvation is accomplished exclusively through the work of Christ who purchased us by his blood. Food for thought; many who were saved from Egypt did not experience the eternal salvation of God (1 Corinthians 10:5), so we need to be careful to determine what kind of salvation we are discussing in any given context.
This is brilliantly articulated , he has not responded to this as I assume he may not be aware . These are very very valid points. 👏
Cart before the horse. Have fun
Since the fall of mankind, the is only one kind and one Salvation.
@@siegfriedbartel7122 salvation occurs 78 times in the KJV salvation doesn't have one meaning . This is why the OP stated defining salvation is important. GODS MANIFOLD WISDOM is far above what think we may have figured out . But he's given us enough theough his word . Amen 🙏
@@siegfriedbartel7122they couldn’t be saved the same way as we are. 1. They were under a curse 2. They couldn’t obtain the kingdom of God within them.
I was locked in the Baptist state of mind till the Lord snatched me out of religion. I would still be in it if it wasn't for Him. He saved me the moment I believed on Him. The very next day I called the preacher for a meeting with him. After I shared my conversion with him he called me a heretic and an emotional basket case. I said if I am an EBC religion made me that way. Always living in fear of Hell and that I wasn't nor could be perfect enough no matter how much I tried. My very thoughts condemned me! Thank God, the Holy Spirit and my Lord and saviour Jesus Christ!
sounds like whoever that preacher is, there is a pathetic display there ... the law as master is completely debilitating ... now, because of Christ and the new birth and recreation and regeneration by the Holy spirit we now have the law as KIND ADVISOR!!!!!!!!!! what a night and day difference ... one person lives under the terror of the law while the other delights in the law
Amen brother! Great teaching from God's word!
It took me awhile but, after going back and forth with some brothers-in-Christ and being pointed to read Hebrews 11, I finally see that it is Grace through faith throughout the entirety of the Bible.
Romans 4:6 “Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,” (Kings James Bible). This is one verse out of many upon many, and it is clear "whom God imputeth righteousness without works," 'Without works.' If there was no work, then Jesus Christ had no need to come and fulfil the works of the law. Jesus Christ has done all the work, and it is finished which is why there is no longer any sabbath as the work is finished, and we rest in Him our Lord Jesus Christ.
Amen 🙏 brother in Christ ✝️ God bless
Abraham and David have eternal life by faith alone.
Listening from Oxford New Zealand God Bless your ministry😀
Dude your videos have revolutionized my understanding. I have always know Believe to be Trust but improper understanding of context can easily lead to justification by works. How does your channel not many more Subscribers?
Romans 4:
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to 👉Abraham👈, 👉or to his seed,👈 👉through the law,👈👉 but through the righteousness of faith.👈
14 For if they which are of 👉the law be heirs, 👈👉faith is made void, 👈and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because 👉the law worketh wrath:👈 for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 👉 Therefore👈 it is of👉 faith,👈 that it might be 👉by grace👈; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
If it is by faith then it is by Grace . The Law of works Never gave anyone eternal life. It produces wrath and condemnation and that's it's purpose to bring all to faith in God accessing His grace. Always has been, always will be and No man will ever Boast that their works contributed in any way.
Beautifully said :)
could one be born again in the OT? The holy spirit did not remain in or on you back then.
....do i have to believe that jesus died and rose to be saved?
....in the OT did they have to believe jesus dies and rises to be saved?
....can the mark of the beast disqualify salvation?
thank you and blessings to all
Brother, I thank you for your channel and may the Lord bless you greatly.
Great video! I'm glad somebody is exposing this heresy.
2 Timothy 1:8-10 KJV
Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; [9] Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, [10] But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
However when I got saved I changed and things like hearing people take the Lord's name in vain , NOW bothers me, and pride week enrages me ❤️ and ✝️🛐 s
If only they knew osas teaching, then I know they will be more grateful and somehow thankful knowing God's love, affection, acceptance, forgiveness, mercy more than this world can and could offer!
Amen brother! Maranatha!
Absolutely. Keep getting Amazing Grace in the spirit as a reminder the past two days. Pride is the ultimate sin, hence works are rubbish, only by grace are we saved, only by God are we gifted. Isaiah 14:14 is the best passage to give those who boast about works. As well, Exodus 20:4, if by works I am known, then I have made an idol of myself and turned eyes away from the Lord.
I have been guilty of Pride
ty so much! for evangelizing and i will watch ur channel for a bit.
This is one of your best videos brother. Very clear and helpful, God bless you.
Amen brother!
Amen, agree 100%
Wonderful job sir... You clarifications are Sooooo needed because there is so many Pharisees and decieved.. much love to you and your family. Come Lord Jesus ❤️
Im glad to hear that the true gospel is spreading everywhere now. It is only by Grace alone "Sola Gratia" through faith alone what Jesus did for us on the cross. Don't look on your sinful state, look on what Jesus did for you. May we be all saved by hearing this Gospel, thank you brother @OnoDiamante for this clear explanation. All the glory and honor belongs to Jesus.
Amen brother. "Run and do the law commands, but gives me neither feet nor hands. Better news the gospel brings, it bids me fly and gives me wings".
AAAAAmen!! 💯
Amen!
Another amazing excellent video.
I Believe it’s always by Faith in Christ Alone. No matter what time frame in History we currently are in. I believe in Dispensations but not dispensation of salvation. Salvation was and is Faith Alone
What is the purpose of being sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption? What does it do for believers today that it didn’t do for OT believers?
"If salvation was in fact by works in the old testament, then undoubtably those who lived under the law would have a bases to boast!"
We cannot base our salvation on any works we do: For why have a Saviour? We need to be saved by Jesus from perdition. Yet many deny Christ by not believing and having faith in his finished work at the Cross.
Romans 4:2-4 "For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.". If Abraham had not believed he never would have been obedient and offered Isaac. Faith!
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
@OnoDiamante is precisely correct in his Biblical exposition of verses explaining the true Gospel message! This video's accurate Bible teaching clearly demonstrates the FREE GIFT of justification before God, which refutes the awful heresy of the "faith + works" teaching that supposedly applied prior to the church dispensation and also supposedly applies to the future Daniel's 70th week Tribulation period.
To receive Jesus Christ we must BELIEVE IN HIM to pay the full penalty for our own personal sin. We CAN NOT add any trust in our own good works to “earn” heaven because pardon for our sin and eternal life is a FREE GIFT that cannot be earned but only received. Jesus Himself taught ONLY BELIEVE! “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.” - John 5:24
The Bible says, “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the GIFT of God-NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast.” - Ephesians 2:8-9 “But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.” - Romans 11:6
Biblically in ALL dispensations, adding your own payment of good works to God's grace is rejecting God’s offer of the FREE GIFT of forgiveness and eternal life solely on the basis of faith in God's provision. What you pay for is not really a gift. Today and during the Tribulation, you must trust ONLY in Jesus Christ’s perfect sacrifice for us. “If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about-but not before God. What does Scripture say? ‘Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.’ Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works.” - Romans 4:2-6
Jesus Christ clearly taught that eternal life is only available to those who believe in Him without adding their own deeds: Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” - John 6:28-29 “For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.” - Romans 3:28
So the free gift of eternal life with forgiveness of all our personal sins is only available to us 100% on the basis of what Jesus Christ did for us, NOT because of anything we do for Him. “But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, NOT ON THE BASIS OF DEEDS which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that BEING JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we would be made heirs according to the hope of ETERNAL LIFE." - Titus 3:4-7
---Bible Professor Al, Ph.D., Th.D.
Amen & Thank You !!!
AMEN🙌🕊
Amen
Can't get any clearer than that!!!
God's word never changes or contridicts and is true.
Amen
@@anabanana7599 do you no longer follow dispensationalism sister?
Amen brother 🙂👍
Dispensationalists agree that is has always been Gods Grace by faith in Jesus alone. Those that call themselves Hyper dispensationalists or Mid Acts believe that in other dispensations it was Works and Grace unfortunately. They also believe the New Covenant is only for the Nation of Israel. Which is incorrect also. In 2 Corinthians 3:6 it says that God has made us able ministers of the New Covenant/Testament ( same Greek word Diatheke)....
@@robertmwangi1452 The New Covenant is for everyone because the New Covenant is a Covenant brought about through the Blood of Jesus ( This cup is the New Covenant in my Blood which is Shed for You - Jesus) it was offered first to the Nation of Israel. They as a whole rejected Jesus, but will come to faith in Jesus at some point during Daniels 70th week. The New Covenant laws are not The old Covenant Moasic Law ( God is not writing the Old Covenant Moasic Law of death on people's hearts) He is writing the New Covenant laws of Love, Life in the Spirit and Freedom on Believers hearts. We are able ministers of the New Covenant/Testament (Covenant and Testament are the same Greek word Diatheke). The laws of the New Covenant are : The Law of Faith, The Law of Christ, The Law of Liberty, The Law of the Spirit of the life in Christ. As we see in Hebrews 7:11-12 because of the change of Priesthood there has been MADE OF NECESSITY A CHANGE ALSO OF THE LAW. Go read that. At this time period any individual Jew or Gentile that comes to faith are part of the Church age saints group. But as I said most of the Nation of Israel will not come to faith until after the mid point of Daniels 70th week when they finally realize that Jesus was in fact their Messiah and they will cry out Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord. I'd like to point out that the Old Covenant and The Law ( 613 laws) was only given to the Nation of Israel and they agreed to attempt to do it, they broke that Covenant because it was a conditional Covenant between them and God and they failed so God brought in a New Covenant through Jesus and His Blood which He shed for all of Humanity. Jesus is the New Covenant. The Old Covenant law never saved anyone and in 2 Corinthians 3 it is called the law of Death. The New Covenant has far better promises. The fact is Israel is partially blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Read all of 2 Corinthians 3 in context. New Covenant Believers live by the Spirit not rules. All of the New Covenant laws are all about Love, Living by the Spirit of God in Us and Freedom.
Works based religions always use Ephesians 2 to state their case that we have been called to do good works as a requirement of salvation. They say it was only the cermonial law that was abolished. However, it says clearly that if we were to insist on keeping any part of the law for salvation we would have to keep the whole law in its entirety. We all fail under the law. How do we refute those who say there's a difference between failing under the law and those who go out of their walk in darkness?
You're one of a handful of people who know what you're talking about
I am a Dispensationalist and everyone that I know that is the same does not believe in a faith plus works salvation.
I love this preacher thank you for your time I hope young man like myself and woman would just listen pay attention to your word’s but I would like to know what made you to start making videos on god?
Hello Brother,
I am a OSAS doctrine believer
So please explain in the tribulation period a saved person goes and take the mark of the beast will his salvation is lost ?
Of course his salvation is lost
4 gospels ( time past ) and Hebrew to revelation ( things to come ) is for Jewish audience who will be under tribulation period
You cannot make doctrine from these books for todays grace period
Pauline gospel ( Roman’s till Philemon) is for grace period saint until the rapture
After that 7 year tribulation period will start and back to faith + works for Jewish saints
Rightly dividing the word of truth
2 Timothy 2:15
Believers will not be deceived and therefore will not take the mark.
Hey Onorato, can you do a video on Mark 13:13? It's kind of tricky and may be one that trips people up based on thinking we need to endure till the end to be saved. Is it referring to the disciples since he's talking to them in the passage?
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Justifcation (Salvation) has always been and will always be by faith apart from any works as both Galatians 3 and Romans 3 & 4 prove. Both Abraham and David werw both justified (saved) by faith alone.
Dispensationalism is Biblical.
But Hyper-dispensationalism (i.e., that people were saved by works/law keeping for all other Dispensations apart from the current dispensation of The Church Age.) ISN'T BIBLICAL...
Thanks for calling out the Hyper-dispensationalists such as Breaker and Kim...
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amen brother. but breaker and kim are little kids compared to mid acts hiper dyperist. thats real deal of stupidity
could one be born again in the OT? The holy spirit did not remain in or on you back then.
....do i have to believe that jesus died and rose to be saved?
....in the OT did they have to believe jesus dies and rises to be saved?
....can the mark of the beast disqualify salvation to a believer?
thank you and blessings to all
Greggo you understand Hyperdispensationalism about as well as your dog. You can keep using the term to smear others but it's a lie easily disproven by a quick search. Funny how in a world of works based religions and a lot of Christian churches also preaching works you have to rip on the few who are OSAS and they have been at it a lot longer than you. You are a two note Samba when it comes to this Gal3 and Rom4. OK fine, so what am I to make of Rev20:4?
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
No problem just believe, right? No, actually it looks pretty bloody because now it's your own blood that has to be shed Blood is a theme through time in addition to Faith. The thing about Abraham is all God had to do was ask him to do was believe him when he looked up at all those stars in the heavens and it was accounted to him for righteousness but he was still willing to sacrifice Isaac when the time came. I am persuaded that different eras God works with differently until proven otherwise. But to each his own.
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no preblem. if you can read rom 2:14 and john 5:28-29 and matt 25.
it mention works becouse they wanted to be judged by works
and second thing - they are alreqdy judged at the cross, so their works are already - shit,they doesnt to be judged again
Nice beard, brother!
Hey Norm thank you again, I tuned into dispensational salvation because it taught against lordship salvation. Your teachings really clear it up. However, are there verses that apply to different time periods still? For example, when Jesus says to call no man fool but He calls the Pharisees fools later on and when Paul writes to Galatia, “O foolish Galatians”. Maybe I need to go back and understand the context.
Just because dispensational salvation isn't true, does not mean that there are not different dispensations in which different things apply differently to different groups of people.
Thank you
I think Paul is trying to get them to have some common sense - they believed through faith and not works. The judaizers were pressuring them into going back into the law, for example, in being circumcised. They were telling them it is faith and works. Paul's cry was had you believed in the beginning or not?
The only two real dispensations are Old Testament/Covenant and New Testament/Covenant. In context the Galatians were allowing Jews to come in and corrupt the gospel Paul had preached to them. That's the same fight we're fighting today. Gentiles were brought in and made a part of Israel. All believers Jew or Gentile, are the people of God. Paul has made this clear throughout His letters, especially in Romans and Galatians.
That is the very reason many do not believe in the dispensation of the 7 year tribulation.
No one in the old testament had all the revealed word of God we have today. Romans 4:1-3. For if Abraham were justified by works, He would have something to glory in, but not before God. Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him as righteousness. Abraham did not know the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. Neither did Peter before Jesus was crucified. Neither did Mary when She went to the tomb and Jesus body was gone. She did not say, well, He is risen just like He said He would.
No, she believed they had stolen His body until the two angels proclaimed He had risen from the dead. Those that do not believe in dispensation's believe we will go through the dispensation of the 7 year tribulation. Not First Corinthians 15:51-53, and First Thessalonians 4:13-18. And Second Thessalonians 4:1-4.
Are the tribulation saints sealed by the Holy Spirit like we are? Ephesians 1:13-14? No, they are not. They do not have a new nature. Only their old sinful nature. We have both. Ephesians 4:30. And grieve not the Holy Spirit in whom ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. The rapture of the church.
Hey Ono - did the OT saints gave eternal life when they placed their faith in Messiah? 🤔
Yes.
@@OnoDiamante Thank you - I’m just trying to think of the mechanics of it. I’d love it if you did a video on this :)
They had faith in the coming Messiah promised to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:15.
@@rev.dr.yvonneray2035 exactly!!!!
@@rev.dr.yvonneray2035 abraham was righteous when he believed God only i think
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Makes sense thank you
Revelation 20:15 And WHOSOEVER (Don’t miss that) was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
If the King James Bible is right, then it looks like someone judged at the Great White Throne was found in the book of life. Meanwhile, I’m one of the “WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved” (no works). Romans 10:13
Sincerely, True Bible Believer 😊😊😊😊
Pre-trib Dispensationalism does seem to be quite onto it for the most part, but if they teach that notion that salvation was by grace & works in the OT then they lost the plot. Salvation has always been by Grace through Faith.
Classical dispensationalism didn't teach faith+works for salvation in the OT. The problem is today there are so many wrongly teaching faith+works in the OT for salvation and they call themselves dispensationalists to give dispensationalism a bad reputation.
People need to read their bibles. Hebrews 11 clearly says that the prophets of the Old Testament were saved by faith.
How can non-dispensonalist deal with those verses:
2 tim 2:15, 1 cor 9:17,
eph 1:10,
eph 3:2,
col 1:25 ?
This is a honest question, I don't feel like theses are out of context.
Thanks.
They had to keep the law in order to get the Abraham's bosom until Jesus died. Not saying that they were saved by their works but it was faith and works they had to do in order to get into Abraham's bosom. That's why Jesus descended before he ascended.. and better words the law kept them safe from hell until Jesus came to save them out of Abraham's bosom to heaven..
No one gets to Heaven by keeping the law unless they keep it perfectly. (James 2:10)
“Everyone is saved the exact same way”…. Doesn’t use one verse from Old Testament or the tribulation period (unless I missed it) to prove his point. Mainly uses Pauline doctrine which was hidden since the world began, but yet basically teaches everyone knew exactly what Paul knew. Study your Bible folks.
You do realize that the quotations of Christ’s preaching are Old Testament, correct? There are 7 of them quoted and many more I could cite.
@@OnoDiamante what is the gospel? Pretty sure you know it. It’s how Christ died for our sins and rose again, right? You show me a verse in the Old Testament where they were trusting in Jesus Christ death burial and resurrection. Just one. You realize the 12 didn’t even believe in the death burial and resurrection 3 years into his ministry? They didn’t even really believe it after he rose again until they saw him. Give me one verse in the Old Testament that showed where the believed the gospel for eternal life. Faith is believing God right? What did they believe in? Scripture using the actual Old Testament please.
@@HowAboutThat224 You stated that I didn't use one verse from the Old Testament, which is patently false. Now you're failing to take into account progressive revelation, in an attempt to prove a point that I already agree with. No one said that there aren't any differences between the OT and NT. For example, the OT saints didn't know the name of Jesus. That doesn't mean that they were saved by faith + works. This notion is completely asinine, unbiblical and illogical.
@@OnoDiamante where did I say they were saved by works? They were saved by faith, but what was it they believed? You always deflect the question. I guess you think they could come to God without blood? Guess you have no understanding of the tabernacle? It’s foolish. You can’t even defend your position and you are calling people heretics. Next thing you’ll be doing is telling people to take they can take the mark of the beast and be fine.
@@HowAboutThat224 This is coming from the guy who thinks the quotations of Christ’s preaching are New Testament..
Salvation is by grace through faith. Even the OT testament prophets were justified by faith, Salvation has always been the same. It is in the book of Hebrews.
Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
If salvation wasnt by works in the OT and they couldnt lose their salvation, how would you interpret Ezekiel 18:5-9, 18, 21, 24, 27-28?
A small sample of many OT passages that seem to be pretty clear that things must be "done" by the individual to maintain "life"; a euphemism for salvation in the OT.
Good stuff!
Love how clear scripture is!
Why do Torah Observant Christians seem to hate and ignore Paul? In fact they claim he followed Torah...
They also seem to raise Jesus’s words in Matthew 5:17-20.
Why? Can you explain this verse in more depth? I’m sure many can benefit from its clarity.
Some of these Torah observants are wolves and love to attack fellow believers. It’s crazy.
Wrong. Dispensationalist don’t say Old Testament Saints were saved by works. It was by doing what God told them to do in the time they were in. The Jews had to offer animal sacrifices for a years blood atonement. They couldn’t just believe in the animals sacrifice. They actually had to offer it with the accompanying faith. Therefore they needed faith plus obedience in what God told them.
some guy said its faith+works+grace. he has it so wrong. its either one or the other. a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump so add a little bit of works and grace is nullified. keep it up
It's unfortunate that some hyper dispensationalist teachers do not accurately teach how people were saved before the cross. This is not the traditional dispensationalist teaching. Here's a link to Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum's clear, biblical teaching on salvation throughout the various dispensations:
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Hey Onorato Diamante, I had a debate with someone as of recently about the blasphemy of the holy spirit. Do you ever plan to make a breakdown one of these days on that topic of the unforgivable sin?
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
ALSO! People forget this, but 1 Peter (and Apostle’s Creed) tells us that Jesus descended into Hades to preach the gospel to those who had fallen asleep.
100% correct
Old testament saints dont have to believe in the death, buriel and resurrection? How about confessing Jesus is Lord?
Jesus Christ was not revealed to OT believers. It was a matter of progressive revelation. They believed in a future Messiah.
@Cathi then that would mean their way of salvation wasn't the same they did faith and works plus animal blood to make it to Abraham bosom once they made it they got the final atonement the blood of Jesus to take them to heaven
Please address animal sacrifices in a future video. Dispensationalism believers believe that was a means to have their sins forgiven (works).
No that is not a dispensationalist teaching. Its a false teaching of HYPER dispensationalists...
@@SavedInANanosecond. I have encountered a number of churches and pastors/teachers that simply state they're Dispensationalists. Robert Breaker and Dr. Gene Kim are two examples. They both teach multiple ways of being saved throughout history.
it COVERED their sins, there is no remission of sins by anything but the blood of Jesus
@@ambitionroad You are correct.
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Just curious……..can you give a citation of a major dispensationalist teacher that taught salvation that included works? I know Scofield had a bad footnote or two, but other than that, do you have a citation of a major dispensational publication that says that?
Where does it say "always has been"? Because NOWHERE in scripture does it ever say that. You literally quote New Testament passages as if they apply to Old Testament times. They're not retroactive.
The passages I quoted in John are New Testament? That’s preaching prior to the cross. What about Romans 4? That’s not applicable to Old Testament saints? When did Abraham and David live?
@@OnoDiamante Abraham and David's salvation were pictures of our salvation, not our salvation. You don't get saved by pictures. Do you pray to God to renew the Holy Spirit like David did? Did you believe that God would give the Middle East land for your salvation when He appeared to you physically? (Faith is the opposite of sight)
@@SamGarcia So God didn’t impute righteousness to Abraham by faith? Is that what you’re saying? They had a basis to boast in the OT, but today we don’t? Not only is your position unbiblical, it’s extremely illogical.
@@OnoDiamante Don't add to what I said. Just because God did impute righteousness to Abraham does not mean it was the same as our salvation. Something cannot be pure faith when something is seen. God was seen walking around the Old Testament. What does Hebrews say? Faith is one must believe God is, that is exists, and that He is a rewarder of them that seek Him. Why it was faith and works is when God walks around VISIBLY, you already know He exists. You don't need faith to do that when He is right there in front of you. So that's half of faith. The only half of faith they needed then is the half that says a rewarder of those that seek Him. But because God is visible, as sight is not faith, a work is required. And that's why the hall of faith in Hebrews are all works listed on there.
And today, we are in the age of pure faith because we don't have God or Jesus physically walking around.
You deniers of faith and works in the Old Testament confuse and conflate the method of salvation with the principle, among other things. All salvations in all dispensations were setup and provided by God, whether faith or works, so there is no boasting.
Plus, not all salvations were salvation to heaven, Old Testament mentions of salvation are NOT heavenly salvation, a lot of them were physical salvation by victory in a battle or war a lot of times. And even in the "spiritual" salvation of Abraham and David, they didn't go to heaven, they went to Eden under the Earth (Ezekiel), also known as the Abraham's bosom and Paradise, because they didn't get their sins out. Jesus had to preach to the captivity before the resurrection. So they were "saved" but not for heaven, but for paradise under the earth. So a lesser salvation required a different method.
@@SamGarcia Completely incorrect, so no one believed on Christ during His earthly ministry because they saw him? If you actually watched the video, you’d note that I mentioned legitimate differences and progressive revelation. If works are involved, then there is a basis to boast, that’s common Biblical knowledge.
How about those during the end time who have become Christian during the tribulation period? They will not be able to take the mark how do we reconcile that? Some have stated that that is a work or something separate from grace through faith.
Thank you for your videos. They are quite edifying.
I’m not using the KJV for this quote for clarity purposes:
For the mystery of lawlessness doth already work: only there is one that restraineth now, until he be taken out of the way.
This occurs right before the Anti Christ is revealed. Not a trick question. Who do you believe this restrainer could be?
I'd love to hear your take on Luke 13:23-30
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@OnoDiamante thanks! I actually found this by searching the passage right after I commented!
Can you please do a video on Luke 9:62? I have several people trying to tell me that that verse proves that you can lose your salvation. I know that’s not the case. However, I would like to be able to give a cause and justification to them for once saved always saved in context to Luke 9:62.
Bro, is heresy hunting all you do?
“Heresy hunting”? I have 400 videos on this channel, you tell me. Is exposing false doctrine a bad thing?
@@OnoDiamante you have “exposed” almost every Christian teacher/youtuber I have ever heard of as a false prophet. Theirs a difference between being a false teacher and being in error.
@@unlmtdleeway agree bro. Calling out heretics is a good thing but that shouldn’t be the only thing you do. Especially when it becomes an active demonizing practice.
@@unlmtdleeway I've cited around 20 different preachers while exposing false teaching. If you consider that all I do, then you should reexamine the channel.
Now you should create a video on tribulation saints. That would be fantastic!
If we are still living when the tribulation starts…then we ARE the tribulation saints.
The rapture occurs after the tribulation when the Lord returns on the clouds. Believers who have died in the Lord will rise first and then in the twinkling of an eye those living will be caught up to meet Jesus in the air.
No pre-trib rapture…that is false and not biblical.
Blessings
@@debbiewareing1178then the Rapture day and time can be known if you believe it will happen at the end of the tribulation period. The bible says no one knows the day or the hour. Once the tribulation period starts, since we know when it will end, we will know when Jesus is coming back in your end times view. The Bible also says Jesus will be coming back with His saints. Paul even thought the Rapture could occur at any time - no prophecy needs to be fulfilled before that happens. That’s why we should live godly lives and be ready for when He comes. Also, if we will be ruling and reigning with Jesus during the Millennial Kingdom, when will the Bema Seat Judgement happen, and when will the Marriage Supper of the Lamb take place? ❤
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Post trib rapture cannot be determined by dates! There are numerous calendars and who knows Gods calendar?
The Gregorian calendar is 365 days, however, the Jews calendar is 360 days. Furthermore, in Daniel prophecy speaks not only of 42 months or 1290 days but many other dates. So NO, post trib cannot work out the day.
My belief in post trib rapture is based totally on on what I see in scripture, not speculation or what I’ve been taught!
As far as scripture determines, no pre-trib rapture! Full stop!
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The marriage supper takes place on Earth at His Holy mountain, which is Jerusalem!
The Israelites are the bride and we gentiles are grafted in. No way on Earth will the church enjoy the marriage supper without His covenant people! Any who thinks so believes in replacement theology!
True❤
Abel, Noah, Job and Abraham were all righteous before God. They lived before the Law was written down by Moses. People can't be righteous by the Law because our flesh is to weak to obey it perfectly. Faith in Jesus makes us righteous before God.
Dispensationalism is not faith plus works. Dispensationalism is just dividing the word of truth if you don’t divide your gonna run into a ton of problems. 2nd Timothy 2:15 study to show thyself approved onto God, a workman that needeth not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth. And you divide by people and time. I’m not disputing what you’re saying because it is faith alone. I’m just saying Dispensationalism is not faith plus works that is a minority under dispensationalism.
Dispensation is running wild all the churches are Dispensational . Alot of Saints are deceived by it .
Wait, Ono, are you saying that believers in the OT did not have eternal security?
Romans 4:6 “Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,” (Kings James Bible). This is one verse out of many upon many, and it is clear "whom God imputeth righteousness without works," Without works. If there was no work, then Jesus Christ had no need to come and fulfil the works of the law. Jesus Christ has done all the work, and it is finished which is why there is no longer any sabbath as the work is finished, and we rest in Him our Lord Jesus Christ. The time for causing division is over, and the time to preach the Good News of the Gospel is now.
Using KJV in all referenced verses
You got me thinking with Romans 4:2. How do we reconcile that verse with James 2:21? Two statements concerning the same individual apparently saying the opposite on how he was justified.
What I can think of is that the word 'works' changes meaning and I think it's precisely because of Romans 3:27. What does Romans 1:17 say? This is something to think about.
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very good presentation ... salvation has ALWAYS BEEN by grace (alone) through faith (alone)
that being said, not ALL dispensational thinkers add law and they would say that in every dispensation men were always saved by grace through faith
i'm not heavy on dispensationalism and maybe my understanding of it is not the same as od's
You become a child of God by faith in Christ Jesus. SEE GAL3:26
Faith is believing God.
God reveals Christ in your heart, and you believe him. See
2Cor4:6 See also Gal.1:15-16
God convicts of sin. John 16:8
God grants repentance.
Acts 11:18; 2Tim2:25
God draws you to Christ John 6:44,65
God reveals Christ. 2Cor4:6; Gal.1:15-16
All sheep will be called, hear, and follow Christ.
See John 10:1-27
Today salvation is Faith in what?
The Blood of Jesus
Romans 3:25
What about the faith of the Old Testament saints? What was their faith on? The blood of Jesus?
No it was on what God told them to do right? Did they go to heaven like we do today? How can we say is the same when there is clearly big differences, like king David, asking God not to take the Holy Spirit away from him,
Psalm 51:11,12
that doesn’t happen with us, we are sealed, right? HOW IS IT THE SAME?
There was faith and Grace, but it was faith on what God told them to do. Faith + works
Incorrect, you’re failing to take into account progressive revelation. Just because there are DIFFERENCES, such as the indwelling of the HS in the New Testament. Doesn’t mean that they were saved by faith + works, that’s an extremely asinine assertion considering that all of man’s righteousness is “filthy rags”.
Hello, Onorato!
Could you please cover the meaning of 1 Timothy 5:8?
"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." (KJV)
I think this verse can easily be twisted towards a works salvation interpretation. I'm struggling with this verse.
God Bless!
What those verses teach is that even Muslims and atheists (infidels) understand, by natural law, that a man ought to work a job to provide for their families and they do so.
A Christian man, who will not work is a disgrace.
It's certainly worth noting that neither Robert Breaker nor Gene Kim work. Rather, they ask strangers, through the internet, both men AND WOMEN to send them money.
The faith in this passage is not salvation through faith. It’s the body of revealed truth in scripture. The faith therefore is only our belief system we operate in. I’d also think that he’s saying even an unbeliever provides for his own so don’t be worse than them.