Do Works Prove You're REALLY Saved? w/ Allen Parr | My Response
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2023
- In this video, I address the notion that an individual's works prove the validity of their salvation. Do works prove that our faith is genuine? I pray this video provides clarity and dispels any confusion surrounding this subject. @thebeatagp
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I address the passages cited by Allen below:
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Excellent analogy! Clears things up quite nicely.
Why are Christians nit picking other Christians?? There’s a difference between attacking Joel Osteen and attacking a faith through grace and Christ alone Christian. Are you self righteous?
Teachers and pastors will be judged much greater. Just let the Lord deal with him the same as He will deal with you. A lot of what you say makes sense, yes, but you don’t have to put Allen in blast. Here’s a challenge, communicate with Allen and make a video about talking points. I would respect that a lot more than being snobbish towards a brother in Christ.
@@shawnsturgeon1014 How am I being snobbish? I cited his video and responded. I didn’t attack the man, I simply addressed the message.
This is so wrong on so many levels. Let me put it this way....
Jesus did all the work necessary to save everyone. So the issue of works in a Christian life is for rewards in Heaven. Works have nothing to do with validating salvation...whether it's someone else trying to validate your salvation or yourself trying to validate your own salvation.
What a person must understand is salvation itself. Only a righteous person can go to Heaven.
The scriptures say no one is righteous...no not one. So how do people get to Heaven? It is only through the IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS of Jesus Christ to the believer. Those who put their faith in THE FINISHED WORK of Jesus Christ on the cross are imputed His righteousness.
You do not go to Heaven because your sins are forgiven. You go because you believe your sins are forgiven by what Christ did on the cross.
Faith is what pleases God...not works. Trusting in the finished work of Jesus is what you model your life on...not being a goodie two-shoes.
@@shawnsturgeon1014 Allen has been approached by many people and he refuses correction . The Bible gives a mandate to EXPOSE , mark and avoid. Onoroto has done a good good job of using scripture to counter Allen's error. He's has in no way attacked him. Do you message Allen when he attacks others??? Probably not.
"You will never experience a perfect assurance when the basis of your assurance is imperfection" Amen. That is why there are so many "devoutly religious" persons who aren't 100% sure of their salvation. Only He is perfect. The rest of us are sinners.
Amen! Divine blood ...no other way.
We have assurance based on the Word of God.
John 13:35 - by this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.
1 John 3:14. We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers.
(love is defined by Jesus - there is no greater love than. For a man to lay down his life for a other and by Paul in 1 Corinthians)
1 John 5:13. These things have I written (chapters 1-5:12 - which includes a series of questions for one to answer, examine oneself) unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that you may KNOW that you have eternal life, and that you may believe in the name of the Son of God.
You will know them by their fruits.
The vines that don't produce will be pruned off and cast into the fire.
There ought to be outward evidence of ones internal beliefs.
Everyone sins every day. How annoying is it to have some apologize over and over but keep making the same mistakes. God knows we cannot uphold law; that's why Jesus was sacrificed. He bleed to cover our sins. Praise Jesus for his sacrifice and God for his mercy
@BouncySlim1 you are twisting Scripture to your own destruction.
We can not tell who is a brother or a sister by which fruits of the spirit are manifest in the flesh. The verse you are quoting, and attempting to twist for your fake and perverted gospel of works salvation, is not about knowing a brother or sister bu their works, it is about how you can know a false prophet by their fruits. And these feuits are NOT their works, it is what they are professing, with their mouth. You can know a brother or a sister that same way also, if they profess that Lord Jesus Christ died for their sins, was buried, and ressurected from the dead, they are a brother and a sister in Christ. If you are looking for fruits of the Spirit to be manifest in the flesh, you've fundamentally completely misunderstood the Gospel. Do you not know that God desires His people to worship Him in SPIRIT and in truth? Not in the flesh?
The ONLY ONE who can GIVE ASSURANCE is the Holy Spirit. And THE ONLY time I have FULL ASSURANCE is when I am FILLED with the Spirit. And when I am filled with the Spirit, I live by the Spirit, live like Christ.
Christ alone , faith alone...the death, burial and ressurection of the Son of God is what saves a person...that is the gospel message.
Does the Bible say "faith alone " anywhere? please site the verse.
@@TexasHoosier3118Romans 4:5 KJV Eph 2:8-20 KJV
"For HIM that Worketh NOT but BELIEVES upon HIM that justifies the ungodly"!
Amen
Romans 4:3-5
King James Version
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
People like this used to confuse me, I thought that if I didn't preach the gospel all the time and if I wasn't "picking up my cross every day" that I was going to hell or something, but this gospel is more clear than the one that they are teaching which is definitely works
Right on brother. I was trapped in that works to be saved garbage myself. Works is great for rewards in heaven for sure but being saved is by believing what Jesus did for us on the cross. He shed his BLOOD for us. These so called Christian churches that teach you can lose salvation and we need works are nothing more than the daughters of the Rome Catholicism. And if you didn't know this the Rome church is the Mother of All Harlots according to the bible. And now you see why because Rome had many babies all over the world who teach a works gospel.
Why does looking to works to prove salvation and the presence of the Holy Spirit sound eerily similar to this?
Exodus 17:5
And the LORD said unto Moses, Go on before the people, and take with thee of the elders of Israel; and thy rod, wherewith thou smotest the river, take in thine hand, and go.
Exodus 17:6
Behold, I WILL STAND BEFORE THEE there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in THE SIGHT of the elders of Israel.
Exodus 17:7
And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the children of Israel, and because they TEMPTED the LORD, saying, Is the LORD AMONG US, OR NOT?
@@Greg8098 Not sure exactly what you mean but these passages were before the blood of Jesus was offered to the world for forgiveness of sins by faith only.
@@Greg8098 what are you saying brother?
@@bobwreck3775 God tells us that we receive the Holy Ghost after trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ. If we take Him at His word, then I would think that it would be insulting to Him to look for evidence in our flesh instead of just trusting what He said.
"You don't have to do anything else but believe" - Yeah, that's the meaning of a gift.
Bingo!
believe and receive, other wise, its a wage, not a gift. -paul in Galatians
Free grace is not a license to sin and there is good reason to avoid sin. I started partying in college and kept it up for 30 years. What an utter waste. I would love to have those years back. I didn't "get away" with anything at all.
But is trying not to sin really Good?
Christ called are Good Works attempts as Filthy Rags.
@@emmpak In regards to salvation, yes. but its Good for this temporary life and receiving rewards
@Honza Rubeš I disagree.
One can not know or be evil and then Good!
Satan said this to the Women!
You shall be like GOD...knowing GOOD and EVIL.
The Bible calls US children of the Devil.
There is NOT ONE that doeth Good and sinneth not.
Amen brother. Sin still has earthly consequences, whatever they might be, and we will recieve chastisement from our Father in Heaven for sin. But we can not ever, even if we are sinning deliberately every day, go to Hell and be condemned for said sins, else God's promise of the gift of eternal life isn't much of a promose nor a gift. What these works trusting unbelievers do not realize, because they are carnal and fleshly, is that salvation is a GIFT and thus CANNOT he taken away, lost, or forfieted for any reason. THAT is the power of the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, and these reprobate heretics like Allen Parr, trample underfoot the Son of God and count His blood of the covenant an unholy thing with their wicked and vile false gospel.
These are the type of teachings that had me messed up when seeking God. Glad you put this video out for people who maybe going through the same thing.
Works don’t prove our faith but improve our faith.
Allen Parr has been casting confusion on the Gospel for a long time and I’m glad people are finally starting to take notice and put some heat on him.
What confusing is Allen Parr doing he preaches the gospel of Christ what are you talking to about
Literally saying that you need to do
Works to be saved.
@@bryonstevenson1084 He thinks that if you are too sinful its a proof you are not saved. So basically he thinks hes saved rather than someone "more sinful" is because he MUST think that he is a better person and a good enough person. Therefore he backloads works inbto salvation
@@joshkreider1090iar. Parr doesn’t believe that works save. He literally said in 3:18 that works don’t save.
This is the big issue with once saved always saved: Once saved always saved is true BUT a saved person MUST do works.
A person who claims to be saved and doesn’t do works IS NOT saved.
How can I say that?
Because the Bible literally says it.
James 2:14, “What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?”
James 2:26, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
@@davidhiramreyes6490 So explain to me how the thief on the cross dying next to Jesus went to heaven? He murdered, stole, did every awful thing you could think his whole life but Jesus said you will spend eternity in my kingdom because he BELIEVED right before the thief died.
Amen. It seems that 99 percent of churches mix salvation and discipleship as the same thing. Even the ones that say Ephesians 2:8 9. They redefine the words to fit their heretical positions.
You're right 99 percent of teach a false gospel
we can thank the Pentecostal church for MANY of them.
It seems that most churches in America are of one type of Pentecostal or another.
At least churches a long time ago put Pentecostal, Baptist... on their signs, now they say community or open gate...
So you don't find out your in a Pentecostal church until they start running down the isle and speaking in the fake language of Shandlalaabababa.
And if they're not Pentecostal they are another denomination that broke away from the Catholic church but still hold to their false gospel. 🙋♀️
Yes the man who lost his rewards suffered great loss but he himself was saved but as through fire. That verse proves you can still be saved without works but it is not the ideal outcome to say the least. Parr seems to be a Calvinist in spite of his claims to the contrary.
@@pamelacorona3665 amen
A believers works will be tested by God's fire at the Bema seat of judgment. This is not Hell fire or the lake of fire. If all your works are burnt up you yourself will still be saved but barely so to speak. This is important because it reveals the truth about the difference between works and salvation itself.
@@heyjaja72 Define the will of the Father in context to the scripture you are referencing. It doubt it is what you think it is. The will of the Father is that we believe on Jesus for our salvation and not trust in our works through which no flesh shall be justified.
I used to do good works well dirty rags works actually when I wasn’t saved I did so to try to earn salvation but now I do it because Jesus saved me from eternal damnation
Amen
Amen. The Holy Spirit leads us into serving Him and this comes naturally because we love Him and want to glorify Him !
Amen! :)
good works is the manifestation of somebody's true walk with Christ. But our salvation is a gift of d grace of GOD which we are saved thru Christ.
That's what Allen was saying from my vantage point 🤷🏾♀️
I’ll never be worthy of His saving Grace. Thank the Lord Almighty we are not saved through our own worth or righteousness but that we are made righteous through Jesus Christ.
Brother I found your channel recently. Thank you for your work. Prayers are with you! I hope to fellowship with you one day
Amen!
Amen! That Parr guy has been casting doubt on the word of God and salvation for a long time.
Has he really? The content I've watched from him was sound, and I cant really say that all of his content is that of a false teacher.
@@udonnauchegbu2018I don't know that any one person has got it all correct. I think that's why there are different denominations.
Saved in Christ alone. That's freedom. And freedom is my paradise.
Excellent teaching! It’s so clear faith saves. And those with no works your faith will be counted as righteousness.
@@rosemarietolentino3218 very true! Let no one steal your crown/ 🙏🏼
Found you from Young Don, and its a blessing. I love your teachings. I’ve learnt so much
Young Don is a succubus.
Sniffing out Pharasies is the truth. How can you deny scripture
2 Peter 2:3
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
Amen!! God knows who's His and who is not.
Excellent, It's faith in what Jesus Christ did for me on the cross that is the determining factor. That's because it's the Only factor.
I'm not trusting repenting from some sins nor in any other works I may do as a result of any measure of dedication I may have. I'm trusting what Jesus Christ did for me on the cross and that's ALL I'm trusting for my eternal salvation.
When you conflate Anything that is absolute ( eternal salvation, sonship) with something that is relative, proportionate and measured ( discipleship) you create confusion and uncertainty.
Amen brother. I wish I could find a local church that teaches truth the way that you do. I have searched far and long, but still haven’t found a local church that preaches salvation the correct way. Scary how much false doctrine is out there.
I think you are right. There are very few. Most have some form of works or self righteousness.
Catholicism is works. Any denomination that believes you can lose your salvation is of works and/or self righteousness. Any denomination that misapplies persevering, "back loading" works onto faith is perverting the gospel. When you get down to it, and I have thought about this, only a small percentage of congregations are preaching the gospel correctly.
Catholicism: faith plus works
Faith plus works, trusting in ones works or own self righteous ness to stay saved, or who believe in forfeiture of salvation in some way, includes:
Episcopalianism
Methodistism
Lutheranism
Pentecostals (Assemblies of God, Church of God, Church of God in Christ, etc )
Church of Christ
"Back Loaders" of Salvation that express that lack of good works indicates one was never saved, or that emphasize stopping sinning or repenting from sins, to be saved, this adding their own "righteousness" to the finished work of Christ:
Calvinists denominations or churches, such as Presbyterians, a substantial percentage of Baptists, as well as others.
When you get down to it, with the exception of non-Calvinistic Baptists, some non denominational congregations, and some others, tge vast majority ( seems like 95-97 percent) either teach works, or add works, either knowingly or unknowingly, or teach loss of salvation on account of the believer.
@@willp.8120And Some Saved People Get Deceived By False Gospels.
“But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, to open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by FAITH THAT IS IN ME. Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: but shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judæa, and then to the Gentiles, that they should REPENT and turn to God, and DO WORKS MEET FOR REPENTANCE.”
Acts 26:16-20 KJV
@@childofgrace1234 this was simply saying:
because they have changed your mind and believed on Jesus, do these good works in order to benefit the one whom you believed
Where does it say it is conditionary of salvation?
Galatians 5:16....Being in the spirit HOW do I keep the lusts of the flesh at bay IF we still have a sin nature ? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't rake me over the coals but having the Holy Spirit puts me in a struggle with my old man?
I need help understanding this
I never understand the concept of "free grace." If it's not free, then it's not grace.
"But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many."
Romans 5:15
Don’t you love how he says false conversion?? I mean you either believe or you don’t!! But let me tell you who the only people worried about that are, legalistic people are the only ones worried about what believers do after salvation. Because it bothers them that they are working so hard to prove or earn their salvation and you aren’t!!
Yes, and how does he know who has had a false conversion ? Only God knows and can judge the heart.
Yes and that is judgement! And guilting
Yes, Those legalistic people who are so concerned about ' false conversions' spend their time trying to get believers to " really" believe. There are plenty of people who don't profess a " conversion " at all, for them to be trying to get believers to prove they " really" believed.
I'm troubled by some of this guy's videos though
While I definitely agree that we are saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus alone, because that's the Word of God. I think some viewers (especially new believers) are going to take what he's saying the wrong way and think they can live a lifestyle of continued unrepentant sin and still go to Heaven. When we are truly saved, we are changed. “Therefore, if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” 2 Corinthians 5:17
If someone says they are saved, but they continue sinning with no conviction or remorse and are no different than they were before, that's something to be concerned about.
@@joeturner9219 do you believe that when Christ died on the cross He took care of all your sins ?? What is the obsession with people and "unrepentant sins* ?? How does anyone know what is going on in the heart ?? You're concerned about people getting the wrong message about God's abounding Grace but have no problem telling those same people a false gospel of acting "good" so as to look saved . All things have become new, the spirit , we are still in the flesh friend. Now , because God expects 100% perfection for Salvation, who of us are ? Do you honestly think the nice clean well dressed church goer but private porn watcher is any less saved than the new convert that still gets drunk on the weekend ??. If God expects perfection I'd say by your standards they're both not saved. Thank goodness our righteousness is not based on us. It's based on Our loving Saviour, He took all our sins on the cross.
thank you brother for reminding us of how we got saved, my faith in Jesus Christ, His deity and His works on the cross. nothing to do with what i do or what i dont do.
Yes!!! Basing your salvation upon your good works will never give you assurance even to the day you die. Because if you ever stop doing your good works before you die then I guess that means you were never really saved. But basing your assurance on God's promise of eternal life by simply believing on the Lord Jesus Christ shedding His blood on the cross to pay for your sins and rising again from the dead the third day, gives ABSOLUTE assurance! Well said brother!
Another way to frame this is to follow the interpretive view of those who see “faith in Christ” as generally meaning in the Greek, “the faithfulness of Christ”. So, we believe (trust, place our faith) in the Faithful One. It is Jesus’ faithfulness to the Father that secures our salvation, not our wavering, inconsistent partial faithfulness. This seems to be a better solution than viewing our security as either based on our obedience or based on our initial confession.
Yes, my faith is not in my faith. My faith is in Christ! And since God always keeps His promises then I know that if I believe then I have eternal life! Since I believe in Jesus Christ, and God always keeps His promises since He is faithful, then I have complete assurance of my salvation based on His promise of eternal life!@@chaddonal4331
Matthew 7:21-23 KJV
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
There is only two things you can conclude from this passage. Either their works were not good enough to save them OR their works were compltely irrelevent. You can't say they didn't have works. These people didn't say "but Lord, I have believed on thy name" no, they justified themselves by the "wonderful" works they did. So again, either their works were not good enough, or they were irrelevent.
And I think the part of this passage that's as telling as anything else is the end of the passage where Jesus affirms "I NEVER knew you". That part is very important. These are not people who Jesus knew for a short time but then they fell away. Jesus says to them "I NEVER knew you".
So these are people that thought they believed in Jesus, they did many wonderful works in his name, and Jesus NEVER knew them.
So these are not people who fell away from the faith, they never even had the faith to begin with. What's missing? FAITH! What were they putting their faith in? Their WORKS. They gave Jesus lip service, but at the end of the day, the thing they were counting on to get them to heaven was their works, NOT JESUS.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Amen
My new hobby is watching you expose these false teachers.
Amen brother, this is good! I’ve been saved for4 years and I now understand that we are saved by simply believing not repenting from sins. God Bless
Amen! Romans 4:5; Romans 11:6; Galatians 5:16-17; Ephesians 4:30; 2 Timothy 2:13
Allen Parr proved he is not saved because he said that salvation is by belief in Christ alone but that he needs works to prove and or maintain his salvation which means he does not believe in Christ alone for his salvation.
He's a Calvanist, that's why he believes that .
The way he's sarcastically talking about the free grace position is frustrating. Im so tired of people attacking the gospel and making fun of it. It's so annoying to hear the majority of people say " we think we can do whatever we want" to me that right there sounds like their in bondage and they hate the freedom and redemption of Gods grace. In this world today in the end times there is such a small percentage of us REAl believers. Those of us that actually believe in the gospel and Christ sacrifice for salvation alone. The gospel is honestly being forgotten and removed/changed in the world by Antichrist gospels. Channel's like yours are some of the last few standing on the solid rock of the Almighty. It is refreshing and very much needed. I hope and pray that God will send more people your way so they can hear the gospel through your channel.
Amen. They say that because their flesh nature really wants to go wild and the only thing restraining it is the fear of jail and hell. God bless you
Freedom of God's grace isn't a license to sin though.
You should probably go watch the actual video before you assume bad intentions
Thank you brother for your teaching on the word of God true the gospel amen my brother amen.
Works backloaders might say that believing on Jesus is not enough for a man to be saved, that he also needs to be circumcised. Or, works backloaders might say a man doesn’t need to be circumcised in order to be saved but if the man is really saved, he will want to be circumcised. However, if being circumcised proves that a man is saved, then the implied stipulation is that a man must be circumcised in order to be saved. In any case, what saith the scripture:
Galatians 6:15-16 KJV
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. 16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
In other words, works backloaders do not align with the RULE of no works for salvation. Whether it be circumcision or some other work that a man hasn’t fulfilled, the point I’m making is that works do not save us, prove we are saved, or keep us saved.
the word "false convert" had me in a tail spin for months. I still struggle with it sometimes. I believe in Jesus and His finished work. But the teachers that talk of false conversion made me doubt if I believed right. satan likes to attack me with those doubts alot
1 John ...... examine yourself to see if you are in the faith. There's questions in 1John for you to answer to KNOW if you are in the faith
@@BouncySlim12Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Paul is the one who brought them the Gospel, they had the nerve to question Paul's qualifications. Paul was defending his apostleship.
Excellent, clear explanation. Many thanks, Brother. Most appreciated.
Galatians 6:15-16.
15 "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but A NEW CREATURE.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.".
I actually stumbled upon this exact video by Allen Parr yesterday! He is all over the place with the gospel.
You will never experience a perfect assurance, when the basis for your assurance is imperfection." 🔥🔥🔥
Good works are fruits It ain’t something that you gots force yourself to do
Thank you for clarifying this & other issues. Your videos are very helpful.
We aren't going to pull a hard reset and just stop sinning, just because we believe in Jesus Christ. It is good to turn away from your sins, but that doesn't erase the fact that we've still sinned. We all need to believe in the lord Jesus Christ. Repent from what ever is stopping you from believing on the lord Jesus Christ.
It is by grace ye are saved through faith and not of our selves. It is a gift from God. Not of works lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2-8-9)
Faith in Christ will lead to works, brother.
God bless you my brother
Free grace theology position is biblical.
Faith for salvation
Service for discipleship.
Great teacher you are ever brother ☺️..
Amen Onorato Diamante...excellent! I have to LOL...because these pastors are all cut from the same cloth...so proud...you can see it right away...Yet, It really isn't funny, and we need to pray for them...they just can't let salvation be solely of Christ...and do you notice that they all think you have to pray or ask to be saved when the gospel is by simply believing...they are so close to the truth, yet they can't see the forest for the trees. They also never explain that yes, a Christian can live anyway he wants but God will discipline them if they get too far off track...He is very loving and patient, but God will take a rod to His Children, like all good parents do. Thank You brother for your dedication and your wonderful videos exhorting and warning people of false teacher's...may God continue to bless you, your family and your ministry. Your brother in Christ Rob :)
Love how he butchered the free grace position by alluding that we teach a sinners prayer or that a simple "confession" of belief saves...smh
I actually pointed that out on his video today, I even included a timestamp.
He is a false accuser for doing that. He should check his own works, since he trusts them so much.
He doesn't though if you have listened to him long enough you would understand why he's like that it's easy to walk into he just loves the lord and it's hard for him to believe that any one got the same blessing he did could not want some kind of servitude which I can relate to but not agree for it is the work of the lord not ourselves some people struggle to understand some people have low intelligence some people have down syndrome you can't expect them to have a great knowledge of christ we are individuals and our walk will be different someone with severe mental illness probably won't bear much fruit that's evident same to others with other burdens it's hard for someone who's normal to understand that's how they get like that
@@evanwildermann7034 I'm trying to understand what your saying...Are you saying he didn't butcher the "free grace" position? Because that would be wrong my friend. He stated that we teach a sinners prayer saves or simple
" confession" of belief...That is not the free grace position..Allen Parr teaches a backloaded works based gospel. He says we are not saved by works but works are THE proof of salvation 🤦. Which is false. I agree with what you said about people with mental illness not comprehending certain things but didn't understand why you tied that in to Allen Parr
@sealedsecure3754 I'm trying to say allen has a imperfect understanding due to his perspective he's a man who's been blessed with love and its hard for him to come down to the spiritually poor its a pharisee spirit similar to them but on a much lower scale they can forget who they were once before what im trying to say is he has trouble being sympathetic cause he's blessed in a way just like the spiritually poor are blessed allen seves God out of charity from what I can see but he can't understand why others can't do the same do you understand where I'm coming from now my reference towards the mentally ill who cannot do the things others can on the same level was illustrate where thats coming from
It's very hard to believe that I am saved sometimes. Why? Because I am honest with myself and I see my depraved nature. I am incapable of saving myself, only Jesus Christ could do that. Praise be to God the father through our Lord Jesus Christ that he didn't wait for me to save myself.
“Ye may KNOW that ye have eternal life!” that KJV go hard
My wife wanted to know what test the spirits mean. 1 John 4. I said look at verse 2.
1 John 4:2 (KJV) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
Notice it didnt say whosoever doth great works is of God.
Oh amen
I don't need rewards because he's our exceeding great reward. I just want Christ. He's enough
Absolutely, thanks bud 👍
You are a blessing brother
Allen Par amongst others who call people a "good" Cristian because of the works they do are the biggest of liars, and hypocrites. Just because you think you're "good" sometimes, it doesn't make you a "good" person all the time. Therefore, by God's standard of good, you aren't good at all.
Only The Lord God is Good. He's never failed or ceased to do what he's said he'd do, or to be the God he says he is.
Amen my brother 💯💯💯
I used to listen to Parr before I was saved. When it all comes down to it, his position is a works based salvation. That you have to "prove" your faith. Thanks for the video brother
Amen! My son-in-law prior to salvation was a good natured, kind, gentle man. After he realized the gospel is true and he believed, he is still a good natured, kind, gentle man; Who knows he needs Jesus. 😊😊😊😊
Thief on the cross …
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Yeah but not just that what did Paul or whoever say to the people in Acts? Oh wow he said believe kn the Lord Jesus didn’t he? Oh my Paul called to be an apostle by the Lord Jesus said believe he never said do good works to get or keep salvation no no no when Paul talked about works it was because he was telling us how to live our life after we are saved not anything for our salvation no but he was just saying how to live our life right? Also those questions is pointed to works based people Galatians 3 I think says those who rely on the works of the law are under a curse it may be verse 16
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Amen 👍
The thief on the cross is a bad example. Jesus had the power to forgive sims while on earth. Additionally the thief on the cross was under the old covenant not the new Jesus had not died yet. In order for a covenant to come in effect there has to be the death of a testator the bible clearly teaches this. Again the thief on the cross was under the old testament.
The Bible doesn't say that works is evidence that a person is really saved! Onorato, great explanation brother!
These people are simply carnal in their thinking. That's the problem. The focus on the flesh, not on the Spirit. They brush faith to the side and put the spotlight on works. It's always the same "oh yeah sure you have to believe, BUT...." or they quote "the demons also believe and tremble" (omitting half of the verse) and so forth. This shows that they may not be saved because they downplay faith, when in the bible it's FAR more emphasized than works ever are. In fact it's the most important thing. As Paul says: "Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" (Gal 3:3 KJV) The sad thing is that if you think you need to prove your salvation by works (and you are saved), then those works will most likely all be burned up.
Amen!
The individuals are good but their teachings from Ellen g white is very contradicting
I love you brother! I'm going to see you in heaven and I'm going to thank you for preaching God's word God willing.
The attitude that good works prove you are saved is simply self-righteousness. What they are saying is, even though you say you believe, you don't really, REALLY believe like ME.
See it's all about them. They are the "true" believers because they really, really, REALLY believe and the reason they think they REALLY believe and you don't is because they are impressed with their own works. They are looking at themselves like "man, I'm so great, if other people believed like I believe, they would look like ME". They pay God lip service, but it's all about themselves, how they look, what they do. God is really nowhere in the equation.
Because if it was really God that was working, not themselves, they wouldn't be able to boast about doing more works than others. They wouldn't be able to say things like "believing isn't enough" because they would understand that the works are all CHRIST.
As soon as someone says "believing isn't enough" then you know they are going to put the responsibility on YOU instead of on the SAVIOR.
I agree with good works are a show of your salvation but too many people preach if you do any works then you are on a works based salvation.
If you don't have any good works, then how are you saved?
The Holy Ghost is not dwelling in you.
Eph 2:10 says 'unto good works'.
Too many people leave out verse 10.
Love this channel, keep up the good work and God bless you brother
Amen, thank you for the wonderful message
Amen, I still have sins in my body and it's very hard to control and be a good Christian. I believe that we are saved by Grace. I was always not sure if I'm really Saved.
Thanks bro
So, I used to watch some of Mr. Parr's videos a long time ago, but I remember seeing some videos of his on Seventh Day Adventists, SDA's, and in one of those videos, if I remember correctly, he says he has family members that are SDA'S. He offers up disagreements with SDA'S but minimizes those differences with conservative evangelical Christianity. I knew he was in great error then, as Seventh Day Adventism is a cult, in my opinion, and that group is not Christian.
To be fair to Allen, he pulled that video down as on reflection, he thought he was being too generous to the SDA's and hadn't done his homework. He basically gave an SDA representative a free platform to present what they believe and being a sneaky crowd, the wording was tailored to make them appear as evangelicals albeit with some inconsequential differences. Allen recognised his error there.
@bloodboughtbigphilr8266 OK, I didn't know that since I stopped watching his channel at that time. I appreciate the information. However, if Mr. Parr is an advocate of Lordship Salvation, and I'm not saying he is. He just sounds like it, then that belief and SDA I think have similarities. The striving for perfection, things you must do in order to be saved, except SDA'S really place their faith in Ellen G. White as much as they do The Lord Jesus Christ, since they hold her writings and visions pretty much on the same level as the Holy Bible.
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Allen is not a frontloader and I consider him a brother in the Lord. However, he has got into a backdoor form of Lordship 'salvation' where works are viewed as evidence of saving faith. Allen calls his position works produced salvation which he sets forth as middle ground between Free Grace and Lordship salvation. The danger with this is that it shifts the ground of assurance from resting on Christ's Finished Work to subjective evaluation of performance. This will either produce despairing saints or conceited Pharisees. He does need to be taken to task on this but he does accept that saved Christians can have dry seasons and backslide, not grow much in the faith staying babes and be carnal in many areas of their life.
Allen is preaching Works salvation.
I watched both of Allen's videos and I don't think he's preaching you can work your way into salvation or that a certain amount of works secure your salvation. ..
What I got was that if you are saved, the spirit works within you to do good works. The good works is evidence of salvation, not salvation itself. ......
@@BouncySlim1 but watch out for the next part of course. They'll say next: if you don't have works to their satisfaction then they'll declare you unsaved. Or if you sin in a manner that they don't then they'll declare you unsaved
@@hloni_saved_by_grace3904 the seed that fell on good ground - some produced fruit hundred fold, sixty fold, thirty fold. Every believer will produce differently. Each person has his/her own personal walk/journey with Christ. We come into this walk in different phases, conditions, so comparing fruit can bring one to dissatisfaction. However, if you know the Bible and the words of Christ, you can have that blessed assurance in whatever amount of fruit you produce.
Have a blessed day! 🙏🏾🕊️
Loving your work yet again dude, much love and God bless
Free Grace rejects repeating prayers for salvation
Faith is way beyond acknowledging. Abraham faith was three things: trust, risk and surrender, this is taking Christ and His Gospel at His word
Thank you so much for making this video my brother in Christ! This has strengthened my faith in God greatly! 🙏
If works ensured Salvation well Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses would outdo Born Again.
A drowning man can't do anything to save themselves. All they can do is depend on someone else to save them. These unsaved, drowning devils want to take the glory from God for saving them. They want to say "well yeah, God saved me, but... I HELPED".
“Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:”
Matthew 3:8 KJV
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This is correct doctrine to the best of my knowledge.
Works don’t save; should you continue to live in sin? No
I'm troubled by some of this guy's videos. While I definitely agree that we are saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus alone, I think some viewers (especially new believers) are going to take what he's saying the wrong way and think they can live a lifestyle of continued unrepentant sin and still go to Heaven. When we are truly saved, we are changed. “Therefore, if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” 2 Corinthians 5:17
If someone says they are saved, but they continue sinning with no conviction or remorse and are no different than they were before, that's something to be concerned about.
@@joeturner9219 you’re exactly right; all we can do is pray for them
Thank God for Mr Diamante.
Good works are for rewards only. Store up treasure in heaven.
7:02 🎉 thank you for clarifying this!
Salvation is by grace through faith alone
BUT
saving faith will produce good works, saving faith will not always produce works, and saving faith might not immediately produce good works, but saving faith WILL produce good works
Your grandmother is on her death bed. 3 days to live. An unbeliever. You convince her to believe the gospel. Will she have enough time to produce good works to be saved? Or should we not bother with those folks because there is not enough time to prove they are saved?
Amen brother!!!
I just know God is so proud of u❤
Amen brother
Acts 16:31 Believe and thou shall be saved..
Hebrews 10:10-“By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”
(ONCE FOR ALL)
When I heard this kind of teaching and preaching I was like "It's either grace alone is right or heaven's empty!"🤣
Works are food for your soul. Works earn you worldy rewards, but not following law also leads you to worldy rewards... you kill. You suffer. You cheat. You suffer. You steal you suffer. Why apologize for sin, when men never cease their actions.
Like an alcoholic apologizing for getting drunk. But they crack another beer...
I have massive paranoia, and God let me go thru this dark year feeling like He hated me, but im better now. The worst part is feeling like other brothers and sisters in Christ hate me and this is all cosmic joke by God and His creation hating me
Allen saying he doesn’t believe in works based salvation but he believes in works produced salvation is just him telling us he believes in retroactive works based salvation w out Him saying it outright 🤡
I just listened to Allen Parr's explanation twice over and he is not saying that works are necessary for salvation. I am saved by grace through faith in Jesus, forgiven, redeemed and justified by my Saviour Jesus Christ. Saved from what ? From God's judgement and condemnation because I am a sinner and He is the just and Holy Judge. Saved for what ? To do good works that He has prepared for us (Ephesians 2:8-10). A genuinely saved and born again person will NATURALLY want to be led by the Holy Spirit into sanctification and into serving the Lord via good works for God's glory and to please God with their life. He loves me and died for me, I love Him and will live for Him. The "unsaved" may or may not do good works. But the saved like us will ALWAYS do good works because we are grateful for our salvation ! Am I missing something about where the confusion lies ??
@@yvesperis128 Yes there IS confusion because who told you that Christians WILL naturally do good works? If it comes naturally why do we need books of the new testament telling us to love one another if that'll just naturally happen? Why do we have books telling us to flee idolatry and fornication if that'll happen automatically? It's because even though we're sealed with the Spirit of God it is possible that we can walk according to ways of the old man if we do not MAKE EFFORT to do what's right in His sight. ALLEN PAR is backloading works into the gospel by making a requirement that if a Christian fails to demonstrate to him(Allen Par) that they're doing good works to his(Allen Par's) satisfaction then that person is not a "true christian" which is heresy. Who gave him(Allen Par) the right to determine if someone is saved or not ? Allen Par is a pharisee
I have been saved for a long time doing works for Jesus. Now that i am told loveing God and doing good works isn't important, now i am free. I need money desperately, going to Steel my neighbors car, he has 2. Why not, I'm free,, screw doing good for people, i am saved, why burn good energy.
Love your videos brother keep em comin
Allan Parr is a mixed up false teacher. I would strongly encourage to mark and avoid
Allan Parr has really come out of the closet. Mark and avoid! Good exposition my young brother.
So you mark and avoid all though it's his flesh talking forgive him and move on god will chastise him in time amen I love allen even though he's slightly self rightous sometimes we all have our struggles he didn't claim a works based faith but rather is proud of his own commitment and can't see past itit hinders his spirit but some are more blessed than others by god it's hard to understand when you can't relate or when you can and you hate yourself for it
@@evanwildermann7034, so much has happened in the last six months that I cannot specifically remember exactly what the man said in this video; however, I do remember he was starting to backdoor works into salvation which is changing the gospel. That is something that is not and should not be done. Jesus said it is finished. He did it all!! I have, in the past, enjoyed many of Allens videos. I pray he has come to the correct gospel by now.
@@evanwildermann7034, so much has happened in the last six months that I cannot specifically remember exactly what the man said in this video; however, I do remember he was starting to backdoor works into salvation which is changing the gospel. That is something that is not and should not be done. Jesus said it is finished. He did it all!! I have, in the past, enjoyed many of Allens videos. I pray he has come to the correct gospel by now.
@russjosey2012 yeah I just seen one if his videos where he said that basically
@@evanwildermann7034 , There are only two types of people in the world, saved sinners and unsaved sinners. It is simply not about our good deeds but our relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ!!! God bless brother.
Walk in the spirit. Walking is an action that you are doing. Good fruit doesn't grow on a dead tree.
I used to think of this as backloading but now I think this type of accusation is actually logically unsound. It is a confusion of correlation and causation. Also reformed soteriology does teach that the assurance of salvation is based on the finished work of Christ and the testimony of the Spirit.
IMO it is dangerous to say that someone is teaching heresy simply because, in your view, the logicial end of their teaching is heretical. My reasoning is that any inconsistent system of beliefs would then be hereticial because a contradiction logically leads to any statement, and that is clearly absurd.
I still do hold that James 2 is about justification before men not God.
If I understand correctly, Alan is a Calvinist, in which case,their only assurance that they are even saved,is their works. This is the result of their doctrine ( P" for the " Perseverance of the saints).
What rewards, scripture says the reward of our inheritance is already ours and believers already have every spiritual blessing. Discipline just means a pupil or learner, and isn't mentioned after Acts. Jesus is enough. As we Rest in Jesus, His goodness flows out naturally. These type of people make me exhausted. I don't have to prove to anyone that I have trusted in Jesus.
Uh the Bible does actually talk about rewards crowns and stuff Paul talked a lot about them I think some or one is mentioned in Roman’s and 1 Corinthians
@@ReadingtheBibleforever Well, the crowns are cast back to Jesus, no one keeps them. All the Glory goes to Jesus. People keep talking about rewards ( plural) when scripture only says reward of our inheritance and that we are already heirs of God and Have every spiritual blessing. I guess I don't agree with the main stream teaching on rewards.
@@victorialdavis9221 well you don’t have to even believe in crown rewards or whatever to get saved salvation is by Jesus I know the 24 elders threw their crowns but I don’t think I’ve ever heard that interpretation of all casting them to the ground never getting them again but yeah Jesus deserves all glory
Jesus is our reward 💙
Rewards are what the prayer of Jabez really is about. God wants us to strive for rewards in His Kingdom and desire to rule with Christ. It is important to do THOSE works in this life as that determines the magnitude of glory God will give you as your inheritance for all eternity.
Allen Parr is talking out both sides of his mouth
Thanks for making this video
Flip your father son analogy. What if you tell your son you love him but never show him? Is that love? Love is an action. Name me a moment in life where you loved someone without doing anything. We prove our love by our actions. We are saved by grace through faith, God's action. We love Him and glorify Him with our lives, our actions through Him.
Right but THOSE actions don’t give you salvation. John 6:29 Jesus answered, “The WORK of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”