Dave this obsolete connectivity issue sounds terrible. Glad you got it sorted though and hopefully your anxiety levels have receded. don't let these first world issues keep you awake at night. My car is old it has a cd player with Bluetooth and can go 400 miles on a tank of fuel!
You can tell Dave doesn’t know what he’s talking about on some of these videos. LTE is 4G. And 3 G are not shutting down because they are needing repair. They are actively being shut down.
Not a clue mate, Luckily I've got real experts on hand like you. I assume you have an early Tesla with LTE/4G and speak from years of experience or documented training, like a telecoms degree.
The electricity needed to power 2g 3g 4g 5g .... 3g is getting shut down , just as 2g did. due to the enormous cost to run every tower across the country..
As a former technician, I now avoid as much of the current tech as I can. It will either fail or become obsolete and both of these events will ruin your day and your wallet. Take touchscreens as an example,,,the polarization film seems to be degrading faster than it used to on the older gen displays. Most people do not know it can be replaced for reasonable prices, however a lot of people are sold into getting a new display or it's become obsolete. My car is an 07 and has nothing connected via internet, Bluetooth etc and I love it this way
LTE is a different name for 4G (UMTS is 3G, and GSM is 2G - at least in most of the world). All three of the staffers had some minor upgrades (or optional features) after launch, but by and large LTE/4G is expected to be around for a while to come.
Great news and not a bad price to upgrade an 8 year old system to work again. No other car company I know of will update their old cars, they would want you to buy a new one!
@@salvationbygracethroughfaith You are missing a huge amount of information, they are cars, they have a different power source, but do the same thing of get you from A to B. Distance is not a problem and most EV's can be charged to full overnight and do well over 200 miles before needing to stop for more power. I as the driver will need to have stopped to recharge before that, having food and coffee. So I charge at that time and can do another 200 miles by the time I am done. An EV battery can sit for a long time with very little drain, but the beaty is, I can plug in and recharge if it has dropped and not worry about having to find fuel. The big part is the fuel in your vehicle can degrade and BP actually states "the storage life of petrol in equipment fuel tanks is one month" So leaving your car for 8 months would need your fuel tank emptying and cleaning before refilling or you risk needing to rebuild your engine. Teslas as well as many other EV's are so much better than things I have driven over the last 37 years or so. Not having to visit a gas station and then pay a massive amount of money. No thanks. I will use my EV for travel, mainly charging at home for a cost around 1/10th of our local gas/petrol stations.
@@salvationbygracethroughfaith And your car will spew pollution that ends life as we know it. Meanwhile my Tesla goes a LOT further than my bladder, charges in about the time of a sit down meal and will go 300,000 miles with little maintenance. Then a battery is about the same price as a new (not rebuilt) ICE engine of equal HP.
So glad my Smart 4/2 2008 Passion... has none of those internet stuff. The radio is still FM, witch is fading out here in the EU. But It has other problems but nor those, problems related to the age of the car. And also still running. 😂❤ Even my newer Suzuki Ignis 2017 has none of that Internet stuff. That thing will never break down. 😊
For smart meters SMETS II, i think the contract is on the O2 2g GPRS network / a mesh system. It was nightmare to get mine to connect (6 months), but once its working its all fine now.
Remind me of the scene in Red Dwarf, when Kryton is seriously damaged, and when his operating system rebooted, the Crapola Robotics company issued a message that he was obsolete.
I went through the same experience with my 2014 Model S. Unfortunately in Australia the 3G Cellular network is being actively shut down this year. On top of that my eMMC memory storage chip was failing. Tesla don’t offer a modem only upgrade in this region so I opted for the MCU2 upgrade. It was Au$2,780 , so a lot more than you had to pay but I intend to keep my Model S for a few more years yet.
Model S was straight up the best looking car Tesla ever made, 2800 Aussie dollars to keep it on the road seems a small price to pay for car which is going to last longer than at least 3 ICE cars.
Android Auto and Carplay are security risks that Tesla cannot control... Pretty much every other car has security problems due to those applications...
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 . You’re comparing them to Tesla - a company whose employees were passing around videos recorded by the car’s own cameras. A company that continually tracks you, knows where you live, work, shop, charge, together with speed, acceleration etc
Purposely??? You believe that Tesla 10 years ago asked the mobile phone networks to shut down the masts starting in 2022 just to screw over Tesla owners? BTW the car still works fine even without any mobile signal, even works on the move if I do a reset of the main display. I just miss some features I would rather have.
It's quite sad that its technology will end up making a car obsolete or written off, whereas it used to be rust or a car needing welding up. Basically a motherboard could write off a perfectly usable car. I'll stick with cars without huge screens and being connected to the internet. An 8 year old car is considered a new car for me. Great video Dave
@ I did watch the same video; my thoughts are simply that, thoughts of how technology isn’t necessarily a brilliant thing for longevity for long term car ownership and for the used car market.
VW really let people down with the 3G demise in the Uk. They still fitted units in 2020 without 4G when they knew it would stop soon. The uk is in a slightly better situation as the 2g network hasn’t been switched off at the same time as 3G. Every other country pulled both at the same time. I use it for remote charge level checking etc and there is no current replacement for when 2g is removed (sometime in the next 8 years).
You’ll be surprised. In industry at least, there’s plenty of machines loaded up from floppy disks. They are old, but in the specific task they are set for, they work! Spare parts are a problem though, eBay rather than OEM’s are the only supply route for such systems.
A serious point to consider though Dave, as vehicles including ICE become more electronic - obsolescence and software maintenance costs cant be ignored. Although EV have much lower wear costs , expertise to fix these issues is still rarer and more expensive at the moment. It will spread, we do have bright people in the auto trade, but will take time and experience.
I'm not worried as it's built on same software as android phones. Even if they drop the mobile signal like in this case, it should only effect live traffic data in which case you just connect phone for android auto etc. Even if software updates stop, the car will keep running as it is.
LTE is 4G. As is evidenced in your own quote. You're getting an LTE retrofit. They are retrofitting LTE to your vehicle. Seems like Tesla tried cutting corners back in 2015 with the use of UMTS(3G) or perhaps HSDPA (3.5G) modems.
I had a model s 2017 aand did MCU2 upgrade and also CCS upgrade which was well worth it. I did hear they may upgrade self driving cameras in the future
LTE is the US term for what the rest of the world calls 4G. The reason being many US operators jumped the gun and used the term 4G for 3G UMTS (aka 3.75G). Your car will have 4G. However, do consider an upgrade to MCU2 as it’s a night and day difference and like having a new car all over again, I’d thoroughly recommend, even cellular and wifi reception is vastly improved. In the UK, Vodafone and EE have turned off 3G, Three follows by the end of 2024 and O2 end of 2025. 2G goes away by around 2033.
@@davetakesitonIn Europe, the Tesla LTE modem attaches to 4G. When you get LTE displayed, you are connected to 4G, there is no display saying 4G, it goes E for GSM EDGE, 3G for UMTS and its derivatives and LTE for 4G LTE-A.
Hi Dave, another plus for Tesla. I have the same issue on my BMW i3; the built in connectivity is based on 3G technology. Unlike Tesla, BMW offer no solutions to this. In reality I don’t need this connectivity very much, but it does affect my home charging! My Ohme charger is set to stop charging at 90%, to do this, it must be able to read the charge status from the car, and the car can only communicate over 3G. It does still work for now, but that is because the local 3G signal is still available - but for how much longer? Tesla for me next time!
Good choice, but sorry to hear others don't support quite so well. They should. Does wifi allow communication? Could that allow your car to communicate? I have a plug in wifi extender at the front of the house and that is in constant contact with Black Knight. Useful for all the OTA updates. Just a thought.
LTE is 4G. But this is why Apple CarPlay and Android Auto is the future. If the tech on the car goes obsolete, with AA or AC the phone that you already upgrade regularly does the heavy lifting.
Imagine the day when we could buy a car that would just get you there, "connectivity" not required, and id say not desirable. Im not into EVs but this is for those in ice cars with the same "technologies". I'll pass.
I bought a Samsung S6 in 2016, and used it, no contract, for about six years. Then, it essentially quit working, at least as a telephone, and eventually for text. This was preceded by months of warnings, but I still feel this was all handled a bit inappropriately. Six years is not all that long for an electronic device to keep working. I think they should have kept the LTE phones working a little longer. I probably would have wanted a new phone in a couple more years, either because it would finally fail, or because a newer, better phone would be cheap enough that I couldn't resist its new capabilities.
Wow, that's amazing. I hear that older BMW i3 owners have issues with BMW dealers not wanting to update the TCUs from 3g to 4g. If any peeps have real world knowledge, that'll be useful. I just renewed the Fiat 500e unconnect for £27 for one year (after it tried to convince me to pay £75, WTF). I'm sure the Jaguar didn't work out that expensive 😢
Have to say I do have a Samsung 55” TV from 2012. It was quite expensive, and these days it is driven through Apple TV. So, while it works, Samsung has not really done any support for the last 5 years. So, now I will not buy another Samsung TV, partly because of their attitude.
@@angleseyandy9110 I am a professional economist. A monopoly is a market in which there is just one supplier (hence mono). Clearly not the case in the car insurance market.
I agree with you. The reason I'm not getting a Tesla is the extortionate cost of insurance. If Musk provided cheap insurance here, I'd have bought a used Model 3 by now.
@@ep8029 There's a reason insurance costs are so high (try hard to figure it out). I wish the companies would refuse to insure EVs at all and maybe the nonsense would end.
Yep, this 4G/LTE upgrade is a nice thing with Tesla for sure. My 2020 e-Golf is going to loose its connectivity when they shut down the old 2G bands here in Norway to free up more frequencies. It's due to happen in 2025. The 3G system has been shut off for years now. They needed those frequencies for 5G apparently. I'd be happy to pay 10k NOK to get a 4G module upgrade if possible. But VW is apparently not going to offer any upgrade.
3G has not been shutdown yet. My phone was in an awkward spot where 4G reception was unusable and it switched to a very slow 3G. 5G is a total joke in being unavailable almost everywhere.
@@mbak7801 No idea where you are, but there is no 3G coverage in Norway. They started shutting it down in 2019. If there is no 4G or 5G coverage you only get 2G which is very slow.
My definition of a classic car is one with no EMU, no microcontrollers at all. As soon as the electronics fail in a modern car you end up with a paper weight. The Tesla screen dies and it is game over. How hardened are modern cars? We have seen some CMEs recently but a major one or EMP and all the modern cars are junk. A 1970s car with simple mechanical ignition is immune to everything short of submersion with the engine running. Even a flood with engine off is no problem. This is the one area I do not like about EVs. They along with ICE cars are too complicated and too (electrically) fragile.
Older HV Tesla batteries last well over 400,000 miles now. Some approaching 500,000. Newer ones likely more, one million miles. Those days are behind us. Repair of most 10 year old cars is uneconomical when an engine fails. I think old Tesla S will be around much longer than old petrol cars. They don't have the service costs or the loss of engine efficiency / power as they age an old petrol car suffers from. Also no oil patch on the drive that used to drive me mad with old Mercedes, BMW or Audi 😂
I've been suspecting something like this would happen - at least Tesla is not Microsoft or Apple, otherwise your car might be bricked somehow at some point. OS not supported, no staff who can put in security patches on your 20yo car etc etc so we have to shut it down remotely in case its hacked etc. Be aware that cellular coverage is fine in big cities, but if like 1/2 UK population you don't live in a city - you might find that there is no 4G coverage in your area. That's what happened to me; in Feb 3G local to me was shut down, so it's 2G or walk. That's using a modern 2yr old phone... 5G? Don't ask. :( Anyhow I can report that internet on 2G will work at seemingly old fashioned dial-up modem speeds, often slower then that or just zero data. Oh well.
Tesla have customer service thats much better it sound to almost all the other car companies. :-) Good to hear another reason to eventually consider a Tesla after my BMW i3
It's amazing that all the cars driving around the world with internet connectivity and no monthly bills pay once and thats it, but try that with your mobile or tablet no chance so question who is ripping who off ?
Hurray for the old cars that had no G, or LTE connections They just keep working.😉 Just kidding. but there is some of truth in it. All my old motorbikes from the 60th and70th are still going strong. As is our old 1982 Toyota BJ42, and probably several of our VW 181 cars. It makes you wonder, how long will the hardware wireless connections keep functioning ? ? ? 10, 15 years? and then . . . ?
Surely Tesla allowing apple CarPlay or android auto would be pretty faffless for the user and allow the same functionality? Zero faff if the car has wireless CarPlay
It seems that it’s easier to upgrade a twenty years old proper vehicle to get 4G services than this Tesla with a battery that is effectively a time bomb.
"Tesla don't have salesmen". Yeah right! Bet they're always saying, "No, a Tesla is not for you"! And I understand that, although their staff no longer receive commission, the store they work from receives a bonus which presumably is shared.
I dont know what criteria any bonus would be based upon as the guys in the showroom dont sell anything. As dave rightly said, you cant buy a car from them ,it is all done online via the Tesla portal either in their showroom using a supplied laptop, on yer phone or back at home un the comfort of your own home. Additionally you dont get all the tedious earache from "a sales executive" whilst you are out on a test drive either as none of the Tesla staff accompany you. You are given the key card andcoff you go. Upon return from the test drive, the even more tedious sitting at a sales executives desk being plied with coffee and bullshit untill you sign on the line is also missing. Drop off the key card, say your thank you's and toddle off into the sunset...unless if yourse you must buy one, in which cast the previous paragraph applies. All so simple, straight forward and refreshingly stress free experience from start to finish. Thats the Tesla way.
@@David-bl1bt Their showrooms do get bonuses. Several Tesla ex-employees have said that on line. And, I don't know whether I'm thick or what, but the idea of a Tesla employee, in a Tesla showroom is not trying to flog a Tesla seems counter intuitive to me. After all they were once payed commission. Their sales approach may be different but it's still a sales approach and that lunatic, Musk, must think that it is beneficial or he would close all the outlets as he once pledged to do.
@@David-bl1bt Come on. Don't be naive. As I have said Tesla or anyone else don't employ staff or acquire business premises in order not to sell their products. Tesla always want to appear to be different but their business model still depends on flogging cars. When I bought my Renault Mégane there was no intense pressure to buy, I had several coffees and spent much of the time talking about the nearby Toulouse rugby team, in fact I left it 6 weeks before I went back and confirmed the order and at no point did I receive any hectoring emails or phone calls. When I went back to the showroom I sat alongside the manager and we filled in the on-line forms together. I don't know why that is worse than simply being pointed in the direction of a computer and left to it. I mean it's not as if people who work for Tesla are superior human beings is it. They are not a race apart, although they might think so - until that madman, Musk, fires them.
... out of interest do you get free supercharging? - I did see a vlog via autotrader, an airport taxi driver has done 400,000 miles (all still original battery / motor's)
In Ireland, Tesla are currently offering 20,000km of free supercharging on any new Tesla ordered before end of June 2024 (and that is on top of the recent price drop)...
Dave, I've realised my new BMW I4 seems to lose approx 20% of the energy put into int between my household meter and the car's battery. Can you point me towards any resources on this? The majority of the losses must be coming from the car's charger which seems ridiculous.
Much quicker than "by 2030":- Vodafone phasing out started June 2023, will complete Jan 2024 BT(EE) to switch off 3G by end 2024 Three to shut down 3G by end 2024 Telefonica O2 (Virgin) to shut down 3G in 2028.
@Mizzkan no race bias mentioned or implied whatsover. These publications, I'm pretty certain, appeal and are read by many varied creeds, religions and ethnicitys. Amazing how people like you jump on the racist bandwagon when a jocular comment isn't to your liking. Shame on you for being an antagonist 👍👍
Get yourself a 1962 Morris Minor . . . You can still get spare parts and expertise for maintenance!
Moggy's are good old reliable cars but I find them ugly as sin.
I still have to get up to turn my tv over and still have 4 Chanels that’s what you guys sound like when you say I’m glad I don’t have all that tech .
My car is 2003, my TV is 2010 (used with Chromecast), my phone is 2023. Perfectly happy with this setup.
Dave this obsolete connectivity issue sounds terrible. Glad you got it sorted though and hopefully your anxiety levels have receded. don't let these first world issues keep you awake at night.
My car is old it has a cd player with Bluetooth and can go 400 miles on a tank of fuel!
They are coming for you especially the Nightmare of London
You can tell Dave doesn’t know what he’s talking about on some of these videos. LTE is 4G. And 3 G are not shutting down because they are needing repair. They are actively being shut down.
Not a clue mate, Luckily I've got real experts on hand like you. I assume you have an early Tesla with LTE/4G and speak from years of experience or documented training, like a telecoms degree.
Dave’s best ability besides talking rubbish is patronising reply’s to comments.
The electricity needed to power 2g 3g 4g 5g .... 3g is getting shut down , just as 2g did. due to the enormous cost to run every tower across the country..
@@aperitifsyet somehow we can manage to subsidise people to charge their EVs at home for tuppence a kWh
All in the name of fitting the agenda
As a former technician, I now avoid as much of the current tech as I can. It will either fail or become obsolete and both of these events will ruin your day and your wallet. Take touchscreens as an example,,,the polarization film seems to be degrading faster than it used to on the older gen displays. Most people do not know it can be replaced for reasonable prices, however a lot of people are sold into getting a new display or it's become obsolete. My car is an 07 and has nothing connected via internet, Bluetooth etc and I love it this way
LTE is a different name for 4G (UMTS is 3G, and GSM is 2G - at least in most of the world). All three of the staffers had some minor upgrades (or optional features) after launch, but by and large LTE/4G is expected to be around for a while to come.
Thats interesting information that I didn't know, thanks for the enlightenment👍
Every day is a school day!
Great news and not a bad price to upgrade an 8 year old system to work again. No other car company I know of will update their old cars, they would want you to buy a new one!
Surely not, Jay, I find that hard to believe.
@@salvationbygracethroughfaith You are missing a huge amount of information, they are cars, they have a different power source, but do the same thing of get you from A to B. Distance is not a problem and most EV's can be charged to full overnight and do well over 200 miles before needing to stop for more power.
I as the driver will need to have stopped to recharge before that, having food and coffee. So I charge at that time and can do another 200 miles by the time I am done. An EV battery can sit for a long time with very little drain, but the beaty is, I can plug in and recharge if it has dropped and not worry about having to find fuel.
The big part is the fuel in your vehicle can degrade and BP actually states "the storage life of petrol in equipment fuel tanks is one month"
So leaving your car for 8 months would need your fuel tank emptying and cleaning before refilling or you risk needing to rebuild your engine.
Teslas as well as many other EV's are so much better than things I have driven over the last 37 years or so. Not having to visit a gas station and then pay a massive amount of money. No thanks.
I will use my EV for travel, mainly charging at home for a cost around 1/10th of our local gas/petrol stations.
@@salvationbygracethroughfaith And your car will spew pollution that ends life as we know it. Meanwhile my Tesla goes a LOT further than my bladder, charges in about the time of a sit down meal and will go 300,000 miles with little maintenance. Then a battery is about the same price as a new (not rebuilt) ICE engine of equal HP.
So glad my Smart 4/2 2008 Passion... has none of those internet stuff. The radio is still FM, witch is fading out here in the EU. But It has other problems but nor those, problems related to the age of the car. And also still running. 😂❤
Even my newer Suzuki Ignis 2017 has none of that Internet stuff. That thing will never break down. 😊
The 3G demise will cause a lot of headaches not least Some older chargers & smart meters will no longer communicate.
For smart meters SMETS II, i think the contract is on the O2 2g GPRS network / a mesh system. It was nightmare to get mine to connect (6 months), but once its working its all fine now.
unlike Y2K this one will cause disruption
Remind me of the scene in Red Dwarf, when Kryton is seriously damaged, and when his operating system rebooted, the Crapola Robotics company issued a message that he was obsolete.
I went through the same experience with my 2014 Model S. Unfortunately in Australia the 3G Cellular network is being actively shut down this year. On top of that my eMMC memory storage chip was failing. Tesla don’t offer a modem only upgrade in this region so I opted for the MCU2 upgrade. It was Au$2,780 , so a lot more than you had to pay but I intend to keep my Model S for a few more years yet.
Model S was straight up the best looking car Tesla ever made, 2800 Aussie dollars to keep it on the road seems a small price to pay for car which is going to last longer than at least 3 ICE cars.
Sounds a bit like putting a positive spin on a system that purposely stops you using android auto or apple carplay.
Android Auto and Carplay are security risks that Tesla cannot control... Pretty much every other car has security problems due to those applications...
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 . You’re comparing them to Tesla - a company whose employees were passing around videos recorded by the car’s own cameras. A company that continually tracks you, knows where you live, work, shop, charge, together with speed, acceleration etc
Purposely??? You believe that Tesla 10 years ago asked the mobile phone networks to shut down the masts starting in 2022 just to screw over Tesla owners? BTW the car still works fine even without any mobile signal, even works on the move if I do a reset of the main display. I just miss some features I would rather have.
@@davetakesiton . My comment wasn’t about the 3G network, keep up Dave.
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0rofl citation needed.
It's quite sad that its technology will end up making a car obsolete or written off, whereas it used to be rust or a car needing welding up. Basically a motherboard could write off a perfectly usable car. I'll stick with cars without huge screens and being connected to the internet. An 8 year old car is considered a new car for me. Great video Dave
The video was literally about how the car could be upgraded for less than 200 quid and how painless this was. Did you watch something else?
@ I did watch the same video; my thoughts are simply that, thoughts of how technology isn’t necessarily a brilliant thing for longevity for long term car ownership and for the used car market.
VW really let people down with the 3G demise in the Uk.
They still fitted units in 2020 without 4G when they knew it would stop soon.
The uk is in a slightly better situation as the 2g network hasn’t been switched off at the same time as 3G. Every other country pulled both at the same time.
I use it for remote charge level checking etc and there is no current replacement for when 2g is removed (sometime in the next 8 years).
The upgrade is well worth it. Both screens are replaced, and much more responsive. Nobody is using 10 year old computers or phones.
You’ll be surprised. In industry at least, there’s plenty of machines loaded up from floppy disks. They are old, but in the specific task they are set for, they work! Spare parts are a problem though, eBay rather than OEM’s are the only supply route for such systems.
A serious point to consider though Dave, as vehicles including ICE become more electronic - obsolescence and software maintenance costs cant be ignored. Although EV have much lower wear costs , expertise to fix these issues is still rarer and more expensive at the moment. It will spread, we do have bright people in the auto trade, but will take time and experience.
I'm not worried as it's built on same software as android phones. Even if they drop the mobile signal like in this case, it should only effect live traffic data in which case you just connect phone for android auto etc. Even if software updates stop, the car will keep running as it is.
LTE is 4G. As is evidenced in your own quote. You're getting an LTE retrofit. They are retrofitting LTE to your vehicle. Seems like Tesla tried cutting corners back in 2015 with the use of UMTS(3G) or perhaps HSDPA (3.5G) modems.
I had a model s 2017 aand did MCU2 upgrade and also CCS upgrade which was well worth it. I did hear they may upgrade self driving cameras in the future
Impressive service!
Hi Dave LTE stands for Long Term Evolution, its the ETSI standard for GSM etc hope this helps
Just a quickie to say Sainsburys this week allowed me add my nectar card to my smart charge so who knows maybe a nectar discount in the future?
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No allowed in the UK.
@@rogerphelps9939...yet.
LTE is the US term for what the rest of the world calls 4G. The reason being many US operators jumped the gun and used the term 4G for 3G UMTS (aka 3.75G). Your car will have 4G. However, do consider an upgrade to MCU2 as it’s a night and day difference and like having a new car all over again, I’d thoroughly recommend, even cellular and wifi reception is vastly improved.
In the UK, Vodafone and EE have turned off 3G, Three follows by the end of 2024 and O2 end of 2025. 2G goes away by around 2033.
Are you referring to LTE or LTE-A? They are very different.
@@davetakesitonIn Europe, the Tesla LTE modem attaches to 4G. When you get LTE displayed, you are connected to 4G, there is no display saying 4G, it goes E for GSM EDGE, 3G for UMTS and its derivatives and LTE for 4G LTE-A.
Hi Dave, another plus for Tesla. I have the same issue on my BMW i3; the built in connectivity is based on 3G technology. Unlike Tesla, BMW offer no solutions to this. In reality I don’t need this connectivity very much, but it does affect my home charging! My Ohme charger is set to stop charging at 90%, to do this, it must be able to read the charge status from the car, and the car can only communicate over 3G. It does still work for now, but that is because the local 3G signal is still available - but for how much longer? Tesla for me next time!
Good choice, but sorry to hear others don't support quite so well. They should. Does wifi allow communication? Could that allow your car to communicate? I have a plug in wifi extender at the front of the house and that is in constant contact with Black Knight. Useful for all the OTA updates. Just a thought.
lol not being repaired, yeah that’s definitely how our precious radio bandwidth is utilised.
LTE is 4G. But this is why Apple CarPlay and Android Auto is the future. If the tech on the car goes obsolete, with AA or AC the phone that you already upgrade regularly does the heavy lifting.
Imagine the day when we could buy a car that would just get you there, "connectivity" not required, and id say not desirable.
Im not into EVs but this is for those in ice cars with the same "technologies". I'll pass.
It still does the job I'd say wouldn't you Dave
I bought a Samsung S6 in 2016, and used it, no contract, for about six years. Then, it essentially quit working, at least as a telephone, and eventually for text. This was preceded by months of warnings, but I still feel this was all handled a bit inappropriately. Six years is not all that long for an electronic device to keep working. I think they should have kept the LTE phones working a little longer. I probably would have wanted a new phone in a couple more years, either because it would finally fail, or because a newer, better phone would be cheap enough that I couldn't resist its new capabilities.
Wow, that's amazing.
I hear that older BMW i3 owners have issues with BMW dealers not wanting to update the TCUs from 3g to 4g.
If any peeps have real world knowledge, that'll be useful.
I just renewed the Fiat 500e unconnect for £27 for one year (after it tried to convince me to pay £75, WTF). I'm sure the Jaguar didn't work out that expensive 😢
Have to say I do have a Samsung 55” TV from 2012. It was quite expensive, and these days it is driven through Apple TV. So, while it works, Samsung has not really done any support for the last 5 years. So, now I will not buy another Samsung TV, partly because of their attitude.
The biggest shame here , is that Tesla are slow to bring INSURANCE to the UK. We are all being raped here with the monopoly insurance companies.
Not really a monopoly is there are “companies”
Monopoly? I think you have no understanding of the word.
@@angleseyandy9110 I am a professional economist. A monopoly is a market in which there is just one supplier (hence mono). Clearly not the case in the car insurance market.
I agree with you.
The reason I'm not getting a Tesla is the extortionate cost of insurance.
If Musk provided cheap insurance here, I'd have bought a used Model 3 by now.
@@ep8029 There's a reason insurance costs are so high (try hard to figure it out). I wish the companies would refuse to insure EVs at all and maybe the nonsense would end.
Yep, this 4G/LTE upgrade is a nice thing with Tesla for sure.
My 2020 e-Golf is going to loose its connectivity when they shut down the old 2G bands here in Norway to free up more frequencies. It's due to happen in 2025. The 3G system has been shut off for years now. They needed those frequencies for 5G apparently.
I'd be happy to pay 10k NOK to get a 4G module upgrade if possible. But VW is apparently not going to offer any upgrade.
3G has not been shutdown yet. My phone was in an awkward spot where 4G reception was unusable and it switched to a very slow 3G. 5G is a total joke in being unavailable almost everywhere.
@@mbak7801 No idea where you are, but there is no 3G coverage in Norway. They started shutting it down in 2019. If there is no 4G or 5G coverage you only get 2G which is very slow.
Lovely tech story
Impressive!
My definition of a classic car is one with no EMU, no microcontrollers at all. As soon as the electronics fail in a modern car you end up with a paper weight. The Tesla screen dies and it is game over. How hardened are modern cars? We have seen some CMEs recently but a major one or EMP and all the modern cars are junk. A 1970s car with simple mechanical ignition is immune to everything short of submersion with the engine running. Even a flood with engine off is no problem. This is the one area I do not like about EVs. They along with ICE cars are too complicated and too (electrically) fragile.
Wait until the HV battery says bye bye...
$£$£$£
Older HV Tesla batteries last well over 400,000 miles now. Some approaching 500,000. Newer ones likely more, one million miles. Those days are behind us. Repair of most 10 year old cars is uneconomical when an engine fails. I think old Tesla S will be around much longer than old petrol cars. They don't have the service costs or the loss of engine efficiency / power as they age an old petrol car suffers from. Also no oil patch on the drive that used to drive me mad with old Mercedes, BMW or Audi 😂
I've been suspecting something like this would happen - at least Tesla is not Microsoft or Apple, otherwise your car might be bricked somehow at some point. OS not supported, no staff who can put in security patches on your 20yo car etc etc so we have to shut it down remotely in case its hacked etc.
Be aware that cellular coverage is fine in big cities, but if like 1/2 UK population you don't live in a city - you might find that there is no 4G coverage in your area. That's what happened to me; in Feb 3G local to me was shut down, so it's 2G or walk. That's using a modern 2yr old phone... 5G? Don't ask. :( Anyhow I can report that internet on 2G will work at seemingly old fashioned dial-up modem speeds, often slower then that or just zero data. Oh well.
Tesla have customer service thats much better it sound to almost all the other car companies. :-) Good to hear another reason to eventually consider a Tesla after my BMW i3
Send your money to Leon, he will fix all this. 😂
It's amazing that all the cars driving around the world with internet connectivity and no monthly bills pay once and thats it, but try that with your mobile or tablet no chance so question who is ripping who off ?
Interesting problem.
Buy a new one, just like iphone. 😂😂😂😂
Hurray for the old cars that had no G, or LTE connections
They just keep working.😉
Just kidding. but there is some of truth in it. All my old motorbikes from the 60th and70th are still going strong.
As is our old 1982 Toyota BJ42, and probably several of our VW 181 cars. It makes you wonder, how long will the hardware wireless connections keep functioning ? ? ?
10, 15 years? and then . . . ?
Happy days cheers Dave
Great video
Surely Tesla allowing apple CarPlay or android auto would be pretty faffless for the user and allow the same functionality? Zero faff if the car has wireless CarPlay
It seems that it’s easier to upgrade a twenty years old proper vehicle to get 4G services than this Tesla with a battery that is effectively a time bomb.
"Tesla don't have salesmen". Yeah right! Bet they're always saying, "No, a Tesla is not for you"! And I understand that, although their staff no longer receive commission, the store they work from receives a bonus which presumably is shared.
I dont know what criteria any bonus would be based upon as the guys in the showroom dont sell anything.
As dave rightly said, you cant buy a car from them ,it is all done online via the Tesla portal either in their showroom using a supplied laptop, on yer phone or back at home un the comfort of your own home.
Additionally you dont get all the tedious earache from "a sales executive" whilst you are out on a test drive either as none of the Tesla staff accompany you. You are given the key card andcoff you go. Upon return from the test drive, the even more tedious sitting at a sales executives desk being plied with coffee and bullshit untill you sign on the line is also missing.
Drop off the key card, say your thank you's and toddle off into the sunset...unless if yourse you must buy one, in which cast the previous paragraph applies.
All so simple, straight forward and refreshingly stress free experience from start to finish.
Thats the Tesla way.
@@David-bl1bt Their showrooms do get bonuses. Several Tesla ex-employees have said that on line. And, I don't know whether I'm thick or what, but the idea of a Tesla employee, in a Tesla showroom is not trying to flog a Tesla seems counter intuitive to me. After all they were once payed commission. Their sales approach may be different but it's still a sales approach and that lunatic, Musk, must think that it is beneficial or he would close all the outlets as he once pledged to do.
Dave is a Tesla salesman and he works for free, and there's 1000s all over social media just like him. :)
@@JohnoEx Yes, gets a bit tiresome at times.
@@David-bl1bt Come on. Don't be naive. As I have said Tesla or anyone else don't employ staff or acquire business premises in order not to sell their products. Tesla always want to appear to be different but their business model still depends on flogging cars. When I bought my Renault Mégane there was no intense pressure to buy, I had several coffees and spent much of the time talking about the nearby Toulouse rugby team, in fact I left it 6 weeks before I went back and confirmed the order and at no point did I receive any hectoring emails or phone calls. When I went back to the showroom I sat alongside the manager and we filled in the on-line forms together. I don't know why that is worse than simply being pointed in the direction of a computer and left to it. I mean it's not as if people who work for Tesla are superior human beings is it. They are not a race apart, although they might think so - until that madman, Musk, fires them.
... out of interest do you get free supercharging? - I did see a vlog via autotrader, an airport taxi driver has done 400,000 miles (all still original battery / motor's)
No, limited window of opportunity
In Ireland, Tesla are currently offering 20,000km of free supercharging on any new Tesla ordered before end of June 2024 (and that is on top of the recent price drop)...
So not obsolete at all.
Dave, I've realised my new BMW I4 seems to lose approx 20% of the energy put into int between my household meter and the car's battery.
Can you point me towards any resources on this? The majority of the losses must be coming from the car's charger which seems ridiculous.
Get the money spent 😢😅
Much quicker than "by 2030":-
Vodafone phasing out started June 2023, will complete Jan 2024
BT(EE) to switch off 3G by end 2024
Three to shut down 3G by end 2024
Telefonica O2 (Virgin) to shut down 3G in 2028.
Early adopters tend to suffer, cos ya guinea pigs 🤷🏻♂️
A total ripoff
Typical Apple/ Tesla fanboy
Typical sad comment
Typical subscriber to "the Sun" & "Beano" and flat cap Geoff fanboy!
Its easy to become a fanboy when you own one.
@@David-bl1btWow, I love your racist comment. Well done old chap. 👍
@Mizzkan no race bias mentioned or implied whatsover. These publications, I'm pretty certain, appeal and are read by many varied creeds, religions and ethnicitys.
Amazing how people like you jump on the racist bandwagon when a jocular comment isn't to your liking.
Shame on you for being an antagonist 👍👍
tesla have open sourced all there software and info for the original roadster to allow other companies to support them
This video will be fuel for the ev haters.