it's always been somewhat terrible - but especially since late 2022 when Tesla went full idiot mode and deleted all useful sensors, and decided that oinly using fallible cameras were the way forward...
The Tesla AP is just cruise control and a dumb lane keeper. Tesla has no interest in developing the free autopilot. If someone wants self-driving, buy the expensive FSD (by Tesla). That's the situation. But even so, the lane keeper can be used quite well on the highway. Other than that, it's not really good.
@lajosbarath1034 it's incredibly useful, I've driven tens thousands of km on autopilot ( not exaggerating ) using a steering wheel weight. Helps enormously on long trips
I 100% agree with your tesla observations. I have a 2023 M3 with only basic autopilot and it doesn't fill me confidence to go out and spend thousands more on teslas enhanced or full self driving packages. I only use it as a basic motorway cruise control tool
totally agree with this, I can't imagine forking out £3500 on enhanced with how standard performs. I'm sure its a similar situation with people having not bought FSD in the USA
Thanks Richard. As a Tesla owner since 2017 (Model S) I’ve lived through the evolution of the Tesla AP since they separated from MobileEye. It progressed from frankly terrifying to being a solid assistant, reaching the point where I tell people I would not want to drive a car without it. However, you’ve opened my eyes to other - perhaps better - options outside of Tesla. One more reason why my next car is unlikely to be a Tesla.
Completely agree with the slow pick up when changing lanes on the motorway. I think it is potentially dangerous so normally override if something is behind.
While it may not be the fastest, it is the method recommended by advanced drivers such as emergency vehicle drivers and is known as box overtaking. For example ruclips.net/video/XE4ivv_W6UM/видео.html. Although I agree the Tesla is particularly slow at picking up after pulling out, I think the VW solution here is too quick. Safest is probably somewhere in the middle.
2:10 - Found a flaw with your use of Autopilot. I understand the point (I presume you’re going to make) that speed change should be automatic. However, if you hold the right stalk down, Autopilot will automatically adjust to the “recognised” speed limit - avoiding your method of constantly disengaging and reengaging Autopilot. Personally, I love Autopilot, it’s far in advance of the lane keep assist on the I-PACE I had previously. Having watched the rest of your vid, the I.D.3 is very good. I’m impressed by how much interaction you can have with the vehicle, coaxing it through bends or along roads (avoiding vehicles/pot holes) without the Autopilot system dropping out. Great vid, Richard, thanks!!
@@GreenTorque I’d guess whatever the equivalent operation to engage Autopilot on the M3 is - a variation on that. I haven’t personally taken the opportunity to drive a stalkless Tesla as yet. Maybe Richard can give it a try for us.
You don't have to cancel AP and re-engage it to change the speed limit in the Tesla. Clicking on the red speed limit sign will change the AP speed limit to the same value. You can also use the right scroll wheel on the drive wheel (if you do "fast" scrolls, it changes the speed by increment of 5kmph/mph so you need two scrolls to adjust from 40 to 50, for example). Someone mentioned also just pushing the right stalk to the bottom for a few seconds: I didn't know about that and will try it. As for taking over, using the blinker light isn't enough in Europe, the law forces Tesla to ask you to put your blinker THEN slightly push the steering wheel in the direction you're blinking. By the car will overtake and go back to the normal lane without any problem.
@@Hexalyse New cars (late 2023 onwards with mandatory ISA) have disabling ISA when driver touches the speed sign icon. It’s not setting the speed to TACC
In Europe, traffic rules vary slightly by country. For example, I was driving on a highway with a speed limit of 110 km/h. In that country, speed limits usually apply only until the next intersection, and they don’t post signs to indicate when the limit ends or if a new limit begins, you’re just expected to know that it applies until the next intersection. However, Tesla’s Autopilot doesn’t account for this and won’t let you exceed the posted speed limit by more than 10 km/h. As a result, you can end up stuck driving at 90 km/h on a section of road where the actual maximum speed might now be 110 km/h. Because of the last speed limit sign which Tesla recorded.
@@denisaskirilovas4012 Yeah Tesla really needs to work on specificity of European countries. I live in France, and sometimes the AP is completely lost about the actual speed limit of a road, and I have to override it.
I've had my M3 for nearly 3 years now. I frequently travel on highways into the city. When I hit the normal peak hour traffic, what I find very frustrating with the auto pilot is that it "usually" brakes pretty well for cars stopped or slowing down up ahead, though it sometimes will panic and slam on the brakes a little too late. But what is most annoying is when the traffic up ahead starts moving (from standstill), as auto pilot is still set to highway speeds it apparently believes it has to use all the power at its disposal to immediately get back up to highway speeds from standstill, only to then, of course, notice the car just ahead and slam on brakes again. The whiplash effect makes it pointless to use. If I set it to "chill" mode, it does a little better, but the auto pilot stack really needs a lot of work. Apparently it gets updated with FSD, but for those of us outside of the US who can't get FSD, we are stuck with this really old software stack that just isn't very good. And certainly not for software that is as old (i.e. mature) as it is now
I have model x and Hyundai Kona. Hyundai Kona brakes gently and picks up speed gently if it is very slow traffic. Tesla will accelerate very hard, i try to set cruse at 10 or 15 but still it will not accelerate smoothly. Tesla can easily add an option of how a car should accelerate in a traffic. I usually cancel the auto pilot when i am stuck in traffic because of harsh acceleration
I recently hired a Mk8 Golf with the same system as the ID3. Drove from Yorkshire to London and back with the adaptive cruise control on. Really excelled in start stop traffic on the M25, no need to touch the pedals.
I agree as a Model X 2023 owner her in Norway.I have to say I realy like driving the car but autosteer / enhanced autopilot is just the worst I have driven........So frustrating.....
I’ve just changed from a Model 3 with standard autopilot to a VW ID7. I loved the Tesla but was always a bit wary of the autopilot. All the reasons that RS gives here, plus phantom braking. I am surprised to prefer the ID software and driver assistance. Very smooth, predictive and reliable. A minor gripe that the lane change assist only works on motorways (not dual carriageways) but that is not the end of the world and I guess is understandable.
Very impressive. We were brainwashed to think that Tesla were the kings of auto pilot and VW software was lagging well behind. Richard rightly identified the problems we have in the Uk with constantly varying speed limits. The real strength of the ID.3 is that it does not just rely on its camera but the SatNav obviously has embedded maps that knows where the speed limits change and therefore can prepare the car. This is what driver assistance systems should be about.
Gotta say, I am very impressed with Travel Assist in my new Škoda. I never thought to compare it with Tesla Autopilot, I just thought the Tesla would be better. This is very interesting and I am pleased (given I did consider a model Y) that I made the right choice.
@@matthewtyler-jones8317 a lot of non-Tesla owners think Tesla AP is the best for some reason. Really hard to convince them otherwise even though they dont own a Tesla 😅
Do people really use autopilot or equivalent on single carriage roads with faded markings? I drive a Tesla but I'm not a fanboy. My motives for buying one are the charging network, efficiency (4+ miles per kwh for most of the year) and cargo and passenger space (Model Y). I sometimes use autopilot as cruise control on motorways and dual carriageways but otherwise drive the car myself. Sometimes I think we are all becoming obsessed with technology for it's own sake.
Basic/Enhanced Autopilot does not seem to get much attention from Tesla at the moment. FSD is where all the effort is going. My hope for the future is that Autopilot becomes a "free" version of FSD, meaning that the lane keep, speed control and obstacle avoidance becomes smarter, but without the full self driving experience, of course. It makes sense for Tesla to use a unified software approach, as FSD can be learn/improve also when just using Autopilot. They can still limit it from becoming so good that it cannibalises FSD subscriptions
2022 M3 performance - bought 2nd hand with enhanced autopilot and I rarely use it. Used it a couple of days ago and it decided to do an emergency brake from 70 to 50mph, and that was either because we were overtaking a truck and it thought we were going to hit it (no indication of that to me) or because we were passing under a 50mph road and it got confused. I usually just stick to cruise control as it feels a lot less dangerous, and even with that I don't trust it to slow down at junctions.....
Sounds like your experience is the same as mine. Used M3 Dual Motor which came with EAP. Passing HGVs is really hit and miss, the slightest movement in the lane by the HGV and the car brakes.
I have an ID4 and I love the dynamic regen braking it has. Normally it has barely any regen but once I come up to a slower moving car, a corner, a suggested change in direction etc, the anticipates the slowdown and enabled auto regen braking for me. I absolutely hate that Tesla's has massive regen and no settings for it. Lift off the accelerator and the car starts braking. Some people love that and drive with one pedal. I really don't like it. The ID cars also have the B mode, mostly for autobraking on downward slopes but I hardly use it. I just leave my ID4 in Drive and the car does auto braking for whenever it's needed. And if I lift off the pedal and there is no need for braking, the car just floats along like a normal car. The actual manual braking did take some getting used to.. have to push harder vs in my old Passat. But once you get the hang of the actual pedal, it's all fine. And with the dynamic auto brake, I don't have to do much braking at all. The ID cars also have drum brakes and people laugh when they hear that. I love that it barely has any wear and you don't have to do the whole anti-corrosion song and dance Teslas need. Search for "model 3 brake corrosion" and you'll see what mechanics have to do to every Tesla to keep brakes in good working order.
Bro you just took the words out of my mouth, had a Tesla model y, and now the ID3. D mode on id3 is just amazing much more comfortable than the Tesla dumb full Regen mode only. When on city or driving more aggressive on b roads i use B mode. The ACC is also so much better on ID3 , don't have travel assist so I can compare the autopilot it self, but in Tesla it was pretty shitty other than pure highway with low traffic
It's actually sad because I prefer Tesla overall, but I really love the way Vw manages the Regen/throttle that I think I won't buy Tesla next but a vw group ev
@@hdiassss Yeah I do have travel assist and in heavy traffic it's really a dream feature. I hate that most VW software is so slow but clearly the actual car tech is so much better. I've been driving many VAGs in the past (Polo, Golf, Passat etc) and I've seen every feature come up and grow, way before anything Elon ever touched.. VW may suck in infotainment but they are true car kings. Also the suspension.. man, Tesla is rough. I love the dynamic chassis control on mine. Even more control.
@@mmaster23 Yeah i think VW just loses to tesla in terms of infotainment and Engine Power, also teslas have more space usually. Other than that i think VW has done it better.
Impressed by the id3 ... I have done 73000km since July 2022 in my Model Y and agree with your conclusions, thankfully I'm in France and can use autopilot on motorways here without having the problems the id3 would fix.
Agree with your criticism having to fight with a Tesla on steering and then just cuts off. Regarding the adaptive cruise element, it’s worth mentioning the removal of radar on Teslas, although the Tesla camera system has improved of late. We have M3 and eGolf, and the VW radar adaptive cruise is superior.
Bottom line is that Tesla autopilot (for highways) hasn't really changed in years (I got my Tesla in 2020 and no significant changes since then). Firstly there were the years of coding FSD for city streets (only) that ended up going nowhere and being replaced by neural net based architecture with FSD beta V12 in 2023 (again for LHD only - specifically US and later Canada)). Tesla has only just started beta testing of neural-net based highway driving software stack to replace the old autopilot (again LHD only for now). Assuming that video-based neural net training for RHD markets is still a year or two away, not much to look forward to I'm afraid (not even getting rid of phantom braking :-( ).
Yes, exactly my feelings. I love the car, but not getting any improvements in the autopilot for years is a growing frustration. Especially when we see all these impressive new capabilities they're bragging about in US. Why couldn't at least the pathetic phantom breaking be fixed for us outside US?
Technically you could get pulled over if you pass the sign above what it says. This implies the Tesla drives illegally. Try telling the officer it was the car and not you. The VW system slows down before the sign and thus passes it at the correct speed (when it works).
@@keithdenton8386 Only if you're lucky! I got a ticket for accelerating out of a 30 limit; the camera image has the derestricted sign clearly visible only a few yards further up the road. I can't imagine they'd be more lenient on the way into a 30!
Thanks for the video, I really hope Tesla takes notes. I’m not getting much benefits out of my Enhanced Autopilot for the same reasons. AutoPark also doesn’t always find parking spaces, and worst of all, Summon needs an internet connection, in the UK where most underground car parks don’t have a decent signal. I’ve pretty much given up on it now other than keeping a straight line. Tesla really needs to improve this system for what's worth..
M3 with EAP; I find Autopark pretty good providing there are some lines for the car to "see" it even works most of the time with the typical UK worn out markings. I've only used Summon to get the car out of tight car park spaces to get my wife in as she is a wheelchair user, it works OK for this, although not tried it in an underground car park.
Totally agree with all the Tesla issues and the VW system looks way way better. On the Tesla you don’t need to keep cancelling and restarting the autopilot when the speed doesn’t increase…you can just touch the speed icon on the screen. Great video 🙂👍
VW uses MobilEye for driver assistance features. They have patents that prevent other manufacturers from using certain speed detection techniques. The newer Tesla software stack uses a different method for speed change behaviour that circumvents this issue. We won’t get the new stack until the regulations are updated. Tesla could retrospectively modify the older version that we’re using, and hopefully they will, because regulatory changes will probably take a long time 😢
@@TAD-9I disagree. If you can't create your own you can always licence others. Xiaomi has a really good system they use in china. They have been navigating cities for a few years now.
@@StephenButlerOne You're missing the point. The patent Mobileye owns for speed recognition is essentially just "using a camera to recognize speed limit signs". While it sounds simple, it's not as straightforward as it seems, especially since Tesla and Mobileye are direct competitors.
VW´s ACC is amazing, I have a miserable daily commute with constant traffic jams and the car just drives itself without any issues, It´s a level of comfort i had never expected. For my daily usage it´s just the perfect car.
Excellent comparison and well produced video. Agree 100%. These are both L2 systems, but Tesla hype it up beyond truth. A working L4 AFSD still seems 25-30 years away and impossible without radar/lidar, cameras only cannot cope. Regulators will need to catch up. Prepare for incoming if you criticise Tesla the fan boy faithful are hyper sensitive to anybody who does nose ooze praise for AP or FSD (myth). Travel assist has its eccentricities too, but more intelligent and natural L2 system than TAP. A fair minded comparison. Travel Assist is nippier on speed, sometimes approaches round about or stopped cars a little faster than I'd be comfortable with.
We have 2 Teslas. Second Model 3 was used and came with EAP. The dealer didn't know it had it so it added nothing to the value. I wouldn't pay more than $500 for it. It's honestly all it's worth
Autopilot is not intended for use on the roads you’re driving on. The legislation limits the cornering g force for automated systems, it also requires manual confirmation of any system initiated manoeuvres. It is only useful for motorways. Enhanced autopilot in Europe makes no sense, the features are either limited by legislation (auto lane change and summon for example) or still unavailable (auto park on hw4). I would never recommend anyone buys EAP or FSD on a Tesla outside the US.
I get your arguments, makes sense. That also means that Tesla does not care to adopt their product to Europe. They are really behind now, most of the competition is way ahead of Tesla.
I used to have a 2023 Skoda Enyaq Coupe, and now I have MY AWD LR. I really like my Tesla, but Autopilot is just garbage here in Europe. I literally never had any issues with Travel Assist (that’s what Skoda calls their Autopilot equivalent). Autosteer in the Skoda works just like Tesla’s Autopilot, but I avoid using Tesla's system because it does so much ghost braking, which is simply dangerous. I've even developed a fear of trucks because the Tesla frequently auto-brakes when trucks are nearby. This will be my first winter with the Tesla in Finland, and I definitely won’t be using Autopilot or AP, it’s just too dangerous on ice if it randomly brakes. Also, Tesla’s road sign recognition is terrible.
Make it a business trip, fly to the US. If you fly to western NC I would let you drive my ‘23 Model Y. I have the most current available to date. 12.5.6.3 I would be stunned if you weren’t deeply impressed. It’s close to perfect. Not quite, but very close. Version 13 is coming relatively soon and will be even better.
I've currently had free FSD the past 45 days...If I'm driving around town it's just easier and quicker to do it myself. I've used it a handful of times on long distance trips and almost always encounter odd issues whether it's phantom braking, going the wrong speeds, choosing to cruise in the passing lane for no reason with cars barreling down behind me, the list goes on...hard pass on FSD
They need to add a proper speed limiter button, like found next to the cruise control button on a BMW etc. because the adaptive is crap and around town the speed limiter is better. (No i am not talking about the limiter in the depths if the menu that only works from 50mph up, thats a different thing)
100% agree. I switched from a Cupra Born to Model 3 Performance and the adaptive cruise control and the assistance systems in general are more reliabel and seem more solid.
Etron GT driver here. System is more or less the same as on your VW. Much prefer it to the Tesla autopilot. It may be one of the few areas in which the Audi is significantly superior to the Tesla
Nice to see. D drive on the motorway , cruise control on and when approaching an exit , put into B drive and get on the slip road hit the brake to turn of cruise control and the car soaks up the speed and charges the battery whilst slowing down... Brilliant. I just wish there was a way of adaptive cruise control to plus 10kph of the speed limit. All the locals do 20kph or more so whenever i have adaptive cruise control its always slowing the traffic.
The main failing on any Tesla is that they're frugal to a fault; from removing all of the expensive Mercedes switch gear (stalks, buttons, switches), to removing the front facing radar, ultrasonic parking sensors, and even infrared rain sensors. All of these standard, albeit expensive, features of any modern car have been removed in lieu of much cheaper though questionably tested computer-vision software solutions that are susceptible to issues with weather, dirty cameras, and lens flares in strong sunlight.
Agreed. My 2024 M3 will phantom brake most frequently in strong sunlight and shadow. My wife’s 2021 BMW X3 with adaptive cruise is a much better system. No phantom braking in 36k miles of driving. Still love my M3, just not Autopilot. At least I didn’t waste money on EAP.
@@johnfranklin6394 I have yet to have a phantom braking event on my 2023 EV6GT after 50,000km; but did experience it on my first day with a rental Model Y when we were on holiday - it scared the crap out of me and my wife!
@@bfvadermy ev6 phantom breaks on the same place about 2 miles south of the replacement Forth bridge in Scotland and a couple of other places. But 72,000 miles that is all. Vw group travel assist is better than Kia but it is still a great system I have used successfully in many countries. The lane change assist on Kia’s is absolutely useless. Next year planning to drive from la to Florida so want a car with adaptive cruise control and like the idea of a Tesla as hire companies just don’t list adaptive cruise control. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
@@duffman9 Luckily my daily highway commute is GPS mapped here in Canada so the lane change assist and HDA2 work great, but I know there are sections of the highway where this isn't available and it falls back to HDA without lane changing and more restrictive hands-on-the-wheel requirements. The Out Of Spec Motoring channel on RUclips recently posted a series covering their Seattle to Boston 3,000mi coast-to-coast EV race with 9 cars where they cover about the different driver aids. Might be worth checking out.
@ I watched the I-90 surge and was surprised that non Tesla charging worked so well in the states. In Europe charging is much better as everything has moved to ccs. My problem is that the hire companies don’t describe which of their cars have adaptive cruise control except Tesla
The “Navigate on autopilot” is severely limited by regulations outside the US. Tesla have had to put the manual signal requirement in to comply. In the US the vehicle will change lanes without driver intervention. The entire feature sits on the now legacy autopilot stack. It appears that Tesla are waiting for regulatory approval before we get the updated version. It will take a while. When it eventually comes though, it will be amazing. My guess is 2028 ish.
I have a 2018 MS with enhanced autopilot and I am astonished at how much better the VW is. Everything you experienced with the M3 mirrors my experience with my MS. On autopilot it will slow down from 40 to 20 (I live in Wales!!) after I pass the speed limit sign, but going the other way it will frequently only go to 30 not 40. However I do not need to cancel and re-engage, as pulling the autopilot stalk towards me and holding it resets it to the actual speed limit. Also I was very surprised that the VW seems to be ignoring the EU/UK directive on how much the steering wheel is allowed to be turned by the driver assist programme. Is this a case of 'We don't use that rule?', which I find is very common in the Netherlands.
Absolute respect for your honesty Richard for telling this as it is despite the fact that a large part of your channel and business is based on Teslas. Rather than following the fashion of just about every other EV channel and deriding VW EV’s you tell it as it is. The fact is that VW were one the few ICE manufacturers to commit at an early stage to cars that are EV from scratch. These other people bang on about ‘scratchy plastic’ and ‘laggy software’ when in truth the ID3 is a brilliant, practical and economical car. I’m onto my second and will happily get another when the time comes to change. And, the adaptive cruise is one of my favourite things about the car. It works superbly and makes driving a breeze.
I have a night and day different experience. My ID3 driver assist would run off the road if I trusted it. Tesla's Autopilot is rock solid. It will not wander. Actually, they are both motorway/carriageway systems. In terms of speed limiting, yes the Tesla isn't great. It misses short term speed changes. But neither is my ID3, and I do have the latest software. Speed limiting on the ID3 is arguably better, but overall Autopilot is way, way better. Try letting ID3's Driver Assist steer you down the same road. You'll be off into the weeds after the 2nd or 3rd bend as the system gives up.
I have a M3 Highland. You are completely right - standard Autopilot is pretty rubbish, I hardly use it. I've even stopped using it in traffic jams as it accelerates and brakes too aggressively, making passengers complain. I don't understand how they can claim to be close to FSD when the free version is so awful. I also don't understand how they can expect people to pay thousands to upgrade - if you've tried the free version, there's no way you're paying for an "enhanced" version. There's lots to like about Tesla, I'm on my second, but Autopilot has been left behind.
You dont have to cancel it and enable it again to get up to the new speed. You can tab the speed on the screen or use the stalk by holding it down for a few seconds. Not sure it there is a way to do it on the new wheel without stalks
In Europe, tapping the Speed Sign on the screen enables/disables a sound warning for speeding that is enforced by law. I see the same symbol on the UK version, so I guess it's the same there. Unless there is another way that I don't know, it is not possible to make the new M3 to react to the speed change without disengaging&re-engaging Autopilot. As of now, sometimes it does, sometimes doesn't.
@@MendoTubeyou are correct. The EU cars act differently. I have the S3xy commander installed in my car which allows you to alter speeds to the speed limit without disengaging. Not to mention a ton of other features.
The Volkswagen polo comes with travel assist as standard despite the car costing half the price of other cars where their driving assistance system is an optional extra costing a few thousand pounds.
We have two IDs and I really like the system , it's great to keep you within the speed limits and to slow down for roundabouts and junctions. The one little flaw with it here in Ireland is the VW mapping , it can pick up old speed limits that are no longer in effect. I taught at first it was caused by the councils and the roads authorities not updating their new speed limits but they assured me it was down to VW and they update the new limits immediately . Overall it's a great system and seems to be improving with each SW upgrade.
As a Tesla Autopilot-only-user, I always wonder how the other manufacturers are doing Driving assist. With non-tesla friends mentioning as well I'm quite shocked to see the comparison. Nice info, you proved your point well but we still love Tesla.😋
I am UK based and had a Tesla Model 3 for 3 years, and am now 6 months into BMW i5 ownership. The i5 has the full driver assistance packs and appears to be similar to your description of the VW ie loads better than the Tesla! As such I 100% agree that the Tesla is not so good - certainly compared to BMW! I also read today of some people that have been waiting for 4 years for Tesla full self driving and are now asking for their money back and / or going to small claims court to get it as Tesla have not delivered. Great channel BTW!
I have a model 3 and an ID Buzz (for work). The model 3 feels like a quality machine but ~OMG the cruise sucks, as you say, it fights you all the way and does not instil confidence. The Buzz on the other hand is awesome, stops me from speeding, keeps up with the traffic flow and is superb for the A3 and all of its hold ups, it basically drives my thru the Guildford bypass with its daily start/ stop with minimal effort on my part. I’ve done the same trip with the tesla and it’s a way less composed experience. For all of Elons talk he really needs to up his game on this one!
Had a Tesla for a while now (bought from you guys as it happens) and whilst I love it overall, many of the automatic systems are under par. Wipers, lights, cruise control are all quite erratic. It absolutely hates cars parked on the kerbside or if you try to take a bit of a smoothing line through a corner (in wide, close apex, out wide). In summary, probably great in the US, but a long way to go yet to deal with UK roads.
Yes agree with this, we had a golf on hire when on holiday and it behaved much more naturally. Although it did decide at wanted to do 120kph when we were in a 50 limit in roadworks. It actually did the same thing the following day in the same Place! Tesla’s change is speed when lane changing is infuriatingly slow.
In Australia it’s works well 95% of the time. I’ve had a used 2022 Tesla M3 for 2 months and use Enhanced Autopilot most days. Wide, newer roads where I live are ideal for the auto steering and navigation off the freeways is great. To change lanes when overtaking you need pull down on indicator hard as a light pull only puts the indicator on (not sure how that works on the non stork newer models)
I have an Enyaq and the VAG system is generally excellent, I drive a lot using it to help stop me from getting tickets. You can tell it uses a combination of map knowledge and cameras when going through villages that have recently changed to 20mph zones. It would see the initial 20 change and then between the repeater signs decide it's 30 and accelerate. I've also had some weird behaviour on Motorways where it suddenly decides the speed limit is 100! And with the smooth acceleration took me a few seconds to realise...
Agree completely - have been driving a Tesla M3 and a Skoda Enyaq side by side over the last 2 years, and whilst not a fan of autopilot generally, do prefer the VAG system in my Enyaq which is more intuitive imo. The Tesla warns you of speed cameras which the Enyaq does not.
We have a 2021 M3 LR and a 2019 SR+. The SR+ is a used car we recently bought from Tesla, and they’ve installed enhanced autopilot before putting it up for sale. Boy are we glad we didn’t spend $5,100 Australian on this software. If it was $510 we’d have still been disappointed. We certainly won’t be adding it to the LR. Tesla did us a favour by giving us the enhanced autopilot freebie as we had been toying with getting it on the LR, on the misguided assumption that it would work. Enhanced autopilot sometimes changes lanes on the multi lane roads, sometimes not. Often not. And Summon is hilarious! Hilarious to the people watching, who get to show their mates a phone video of a car having a nervous breakdown trying to reverse or move forwards in a large, empty car park. Regardless of whether it’s the standard autopilot car or the enhanced, both have all the same issues you’ve described: maybe recognising speed signs, maybe not; maybe responding to them, maybe not; regardless, hurtling into a lower speed zone at the previous speed and then it slows down quite suddenly. Way too late to avoid a mobile speed camera for sure. Surely, Tesla can program autopilot, enhanced or not, to respond to the speed limit changes from the time the car detects a speed limit sign? The signs are picked up well before the car gets to them, and yet nothing happens until you’ve wooshed past. We’ve had the LR for over 3 ½ years. In that time, autopilot has improved a little bit. Still scares the shit out of us, and other road users, by slamming the brakes on with no warning and in response to nothing that we can see; slams the brakes on when a pedestrian is waiting in the middle of the road for us to pass, even at quite low speeds; slams the brakes on when a vehicle enters from a side road and isn’t even in the lane we’re in. Playing with the following distance only changes how embarrassingly distant from the non-existent hazard we are when the cars throw their hissy fits. Complaints to Tesla draw the response that autopilot is in “beta”, which I assume means that after a decade they still can’t make it work. Cheers from South Australia!
Oh no, you’ve spoken the clear and obvious truth to “The Cult”. Good luck, sir. Good luck. (I’d be more likely to pay 3 and a half grand to avoid - what ever that is.)
Agree Tesla could do with improving! I have a 2022 Model 3 RWD and recently my wife got a 2023 GWM Ora. Honestly I prefer the "autopilot" on the Ora. It doesn't randomly slow down as often, has its own dedicated control stalk and will follow at a longer distance if I want (sometimes my Tesla gets a bit uncomfortably close on its max setting - especially in slowing traffic).
Was at the Zurich car show and had the opportunity to test several EV's and their enhanced autopilot systems. The car that made the best impression was the Ford Explorer. Like the ID.3, it warned that there would be a speed change and slowed down smoothly to that speed limit. The lane assist was impeccable along with auto lane change. I have a Model 3 which I have a hate/love relationship with it. The Enhanced Auto Pilot sucks badly and if I knew when I bought it that it would be so bad, I would not have bought the option. I have about 2 more years with my Model 3 and hope some of the Chinese EV's have settled in the market because I will never buy a Tesla again, that's a given.
Thanks for the video Richard, I have an ID 3 2021 plate. It’s a great car. The only issue I have it does show the speed limit at times. Yesterday my chargers did not open, I took it down to VW Watford. They did open it for me, my next appointment I could only get is 23rd December, it’s crazy. I’ve just got it taped with masking tape as advised. The issue is the actuator.
If your charge port is to do with the locking pin inside the socket (shine torch in on the left), I find this quite common on ID’s and a squirt of WD40 sorts the sliding lock pin
Just sold my M3 SR+ after 3 and a half years. Loved the car but was never able to live with the self-driving except for a few seconds when having just the single screen required that you take your eyes off the road. Just took delivery of an ID.7 and from my meagre 1 week of experience so far I'm with you on this. The VW's regenerative braking could learn a thing or two from Tesla though.
If want the best regenerative braking experience, test drive a Lucid. I know the car is in another price planet, but OMG it's so smooth and perfectly tuned.
Agreed, the autopilot is absolutely useless for anything but the most basic motorway driving. Having tried an bmw ix assisted driving, I much prefer it for motorway driving.
Couldn’t agree more - Autopilot is rubbish. I drive a Skoda Enyaq fairly frequently and that’s miles smoother and less glitchy than my Model 3. Mercedes Driving Assistance Plus I had on my 2017 E Class was still the best system I’ve ever used.
I've had my Model 3 for over 5 years now with the standard autopilot and I have to say it hasn't really changed in its basic functionality at all in that time. I've got used to all its shortcomings and adapted my driving style accordingly. I can kind of anticipate when it's going to have one of its freak-out moments before they happen now and disengage beforehand. I only ever use it on motorways, dual-carriageways and some A roads because it's just too scary on any other type of road! I'm certainly glad I never forked out for Enhanced Autopilot or FSD (did consider it when I bought the car)! No doubt the developers are putting all their efforts in to the full blown FSD system in the USA and Canada which looks mighty impressive so, hopefully, one day some of that technology will trickle down in to the UK system. The biggest annoyance for me with the standard Autopilot is the constant disengaging and reengaging when changing lanes. As a consequence I do tend to needlessly hog the middle lane on motorways just because it's a faff to change back to the left lane!
As someone else pointed out, when speed limit increases you can tap speed limit sign to register that for the sake of AP. What’s even easier, and achieves same, is pulling down on the right stalk for a second. Oh, you have a Highland? Oh dear, forget that then or buy the Enhance products which achieve the same. Time stalks were replaced - obvs…
I’ve had a further thought on this. Having watched many FSD demos on this platform, I’m thinking it must be difficult for Tesla to make a paired down version of the best Self Driving system on the planet, without making unduly too effective. They essentially have to make a sh!t version of FSD. 🤷🏼♂️ However as I’ve said in a previous comment, there’s no excuse for Autopilot not to perform, minimally as well as the I.D.3, which is effectively showcased here by Richard. Again, nice work, certainly opened my eyes as to what’s available elsewhere, thanks. 👍
When I had my model S from you five yrs ago now it had AP1 and I don’t recall it being that slow to accelerate but only used it on the A3 to Surrey a few times. The vw did seem a lot more reactive in your test. Good snd interesting comparison.
I agree. I think the tesla system wants to be full automated but can’t so it’s limited and “locked”. The others arnt trying to be full automated and knows that the tech can’t so so does it better with that in mind. Just having the Tesla not “lock” the wheel would sort it.
Yes, I agree They're really building an almost sentient like super driver. Big job, will win the big prize if they succeed. In the meantime we're getting amateur hour version in the UK.
Great video, would be very interesting to see more comparisons like this, such as with Kia / Hyundai or Polestar for example. I was pleasantly surprised by the driving assist features on a Kia Xceed I rented recently. I would love to try an ID vehicle with the full driving assist package and HUD as well, from what I've read / heard it seems hard to beat.
Current car is a Model 3 Long range, previous car was an ID3 Tour. Was really excited to move to the Tesla because it’s a Tesla and all the hype regarding them. As an EV it’s very efficient and the supercharger network is excellent….. however , for doing big mileages , which I’m I do, I would take the ID3 in a heartbeat. Travel assist (vws autopilot) is on a completely different level to Autopilot, it’s embarrassing for Tesla just how much better it is. Also as so many supercharger sites have opened up plus the likes of Ionity and Fastned sites the unique offering isn’t there anymore. As soon as this lease ends it’ll be back to the VW group cars (ID4 or 7 or Enyaq) . And I haven’t even mentioned VWs utterly superb matrix headlights, they’re like igniting a star at night time 😂
Think you're right. I'd like to try FSD in the UK though. I feel EAP needs improvement and I'm still missing features like park assist but I do think that a vision only system with Tesla's neural network is ultimately the way ahead for the future
Wow amazing demonstration, thank you so much for taking time ans showing us how real world driving works, definitely VW is much more mature solution compared to half baked Tesla.
I have a 2021 Model 3 LR. Every now and then it does the speed change when entering different speed zones, but I can't work out why it does this. I agree Autopilot needs a big update. The other issue I have is why it wont re engage auto pilot when performing a lane change.
I have no basis for comparison but our Mach E has blue cruise which i have used on several motorways found it extremely useful and actually made my journey far more relaxing once you get over the hands free aspect of it. the regular adaptive cruise control is also very good in my opinion but as i say these are the first adas system of this level i have used previously just had bog standard cruise control.
I have a 24 Tesla model 3 which is my second consecutive new Tesla. Even with this new model there is no way I trust just basic cruise control, it's too erratic and phantom breaks to the point that I feel it's unsafe. My last Tesla was the same and that had sensors on the bumpers. I think it's all optimised for the US road system.
I find the same issues with my M3P: failure to accelerate quickly enough with clear road ahead, failure to decelerate in advance of lower speed signs, but worst of all, phantom braking that can be positively dangerous. So I only use AP on motorways and dual carriageways
Terrific demonstration. The id3 suffers from its early -2020 - reputation. Might still be plasticky inside but I think its a decent car. And better with recent hw updates.
@@GaryJohnWalker1 The interior is pretty hideous. But it has something approximating a dashboard, has proper controls and shock horror, actually functions properly. It’s breathtaking how the Tesla faithful are so very adamant that it is still ‘better’, when it’s just worse.
Agree on Tesla. My current i4 is miles better when overtaking in motorways in terms of releasing the steering to allow the manoeuvre and accelerating straightaway to keep ahead of traffic. Also much better in traffic as the Tesla is too jerky on and off when accelerating from standstill whereas the bmw is smooth and progressive
I wouldn't dare use my Tesla's AP on an A road, just too scary !. It will drop down to the signed speeds but not pick up again apart from one place, A1M changing to the M62 East of Leeds, the road drops to two lanes and flags for 50MPH which the car does, then just before joining the M62 there's a National speed limit sign and the car accelerates to 70, marvellous !. Meanwhile Further North on the A1M swapping to the A64 towards York the car indicates all on its own and tries to take me off the motorway then throws a wobbly!. I always try to be in the right lane away from the off ramp. Oh what fun we have screaming in fear and all this for only £3,500 !
The full VW Travel Assist system is really good. I definitely think it's better than the Tesla system. However the downside is you only get it in high spec cars. Otherwise it's just basic Lane Assist plus ACC, although the ACC system is also good.
I have a 2021 Model 3 LR AWD from Dec 2020 and a 2023 Model Y RWD from Sept 2023. Autopilot (especially autosteer) works A LOT better in my Model 3 compared to my Model Y. Tesla explained to me that the newer cars are more “sensitive” in a bad way. Something about the newer computer iterations and the systems they use to detect edges, etc.
I really wanted EAP when we bought the car though I wanted to test standard AP first, but 2.5 years later I still wouldn't pay more than £500 for it in its current state. Really frustrating, with all the FSD developments in the USA it feels like AP and EAP have just been completely forgotten, was hoping we would have seen a cascade of advancements to keep up with other brands.
Great video and comparison - Though I do think UK and UN regulation is really holding back progress for Tesla in UK. When I watch FSD 12.5 videos filmed in the US, it's clear great progress is being made - It's just slow to get the legislation in place, so that everyone sees the real difference. Whilst things are being held back, we're all just waiting eagerly. Bought FSD with our 22 Model Y and believe that Tesla will get it to as good a level in UK as it is in US 🤞
While I agree in general, you are expecting FSD functionality from EAP. A Highway only test would be more appropriate for EAP! Sill, even on highway, the suggested lane changes are a joke! Would take me behind a lorry, much slower(visible on display). Changes lanes like a sloth, with really bad dynamics :/
A (shorter) comparison between various systems woud be great. I'd like to see how MGs negotiate the same road. The ideal being that the cars slow down ahead of speed reductions to be within the limit when it applies. And recognise and adapt to higher speed restrictions. I have a 2018 MS with Enhanced Autopilot and it's shockingly bad. Not so many phantom braking events recently But it often aborts half way through a lane change causing me to have to emergency steer. Tesla are applauded for having good software, but the automatic headlights and wipers are better in my wife's fiesta. And their autopilot is not great. All Teslas should have HUDs.
Agree with the limitations. Found even if want to just flow at slow speed 10-15mph traffic. It brakes too late and not smooth. Too apprehensive to use, if people behind and it slams the brakes on. Would be good to have option to adaptive and standard speed based cruise. It's not too bad on motorway. Just have to accelerate yourself to keep up when speed changes or car pulls in. But takes away some fatigue on long journey. Not sure in future version with legislation, if we get better autopilot based on what US get with FSD. The override point is a key one. Often want to swerve a pothole or bad surface. Or maube change road position based on hazards.
On the Tesla you hold the AP button or stalk and it changes to the posted speed limit without disengaging. The corner radius issue is down to EU legislation on max cornering angle against speed.
I’ve just watched Out of Soec I-90 Surge final part and their conclusion on the driver assistance front was that the BMW I7 wipes the floor on the DA front it is so good and beats Autopilot soundly even though it’s EV performance on the charging front wasn’t great for such a huge and expensive car.
Tesla ios now only a world beater for efficency ... the rest is so far behind and now it is just a meme product and stock. This year Tesla new car sales down 12% which says it all
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Goodness, if I had the money, I would trade the Model 3 for a VW!
Thanks for making this video Richard, hope Tesla takes notice and improves the autopilot system. The lethargic behaviour (especially during acceleration to achieve set speed on the highway when you have no one in front) is very annoying. Tesla seems to have fallen behind of late, which is a shame considering the constant stream of updates they keep pushing, which have not improved the driving experience at all.
I had one software version that automatically increased the speed if I had entered that lower speed limit from a higher one. For a moment I thought I was going nuts but tested it on a number of drives. With the next update it was back to how it is in Richards video. There were rumours floating about that it may have something to do with a Mobileye patent for adjusting speed based on signage, but I'm not in the know to understand how valid that may be or the content of any patents.
It was "earlier on" they did it. Gone this spring' ish. But so many other things has been broken after the "Vision" downgrade the car is outright horrible in anything but lab-perfect weather...& still there are just so many flaws.
Don't be put off so easily, there is a lot more to the Tesla Model 3 than this. Efficient, fast, comfortable, with access to the best charging network by far.
As a Tesla fan and owner I 100% agree. Standard autopilot needs a big upgrade, it's fallen behind like crazy
it's always been somewhat terrible - but especially since late 2022 when Tesla went full idiot mode and deleted all useful sensors, and decided that oinly using fallible cameras were the way forward...
The Tesla AP is just cruise control and a dumb lane keeper. Tesla has no interest in developing the free autopilot. If someone wants self-driving, buy the expensive FSD (by Tesla). That's the situation. But even so, the lane keeper can be used quite well on the highway. Other than that, it's not really good.
@lajosbarath1034 it's incredibly useful, I've driven tens thousands of km on autopilot ( not exaggerating ) using a steering wheel weight. Helps enormously on long trips
Totally agree. Love the cars but autopilot really really needs an upgrade
Musk has been too busy
I 100% agree with your tesla observations. I have a 2023 M3 with only basic autopilot and it doesn't fill me confidence to go out and spend thousands more on teslas enhanced or full self driving packages. I only use it as a basic motorway cruise control tool
totally agree with this, I can't imagine forking out £3500 on enhanced with how standard performs. I'm sure its a similar situation with people having not bought FSD in the USA
Basically, the lane keeping of the VW...does not keep the car alone in the lane. So, how is it better???
Thanks Richard. As a Tesla owner since 2017 (Model S) I’ve lived through the evolution of the Tesla AP since they separated from MobileEye. It progressed from frankly terrifying to being a solid assistant, reaching the point where I tell people I would not want to drive a car without it. However, you’ve opened my eyes to other - perhaps better - options outside of Tesla. One more reason why my next car is unlikely to be a Tesla.
what's the other reasons if I may ask?
Completely agree with the slow pick up when changing lanes on the motorway. I think it is potentially dangerous so normally override if something is behind.
While it may not be the fastest, it is the method recommended by advanced drivers such as emergency vehicle drivers and is known as box overtaking. For example ruclips.net/video/XE4ivv_W6UM/видео.html. Although I agree the Tesla is particularly slow at picking up after pulling out, I think the VW solution here is too quick. Safest is probably somewhere in the middle.
2:10 - Found a flaw with your use of Autopilot. I understand the point (I presume you’re going to make) that speed change should be automatic. However, if you hold the right stalk down, Autopilot will automatically adjust to the “recognised” speed limit - avoiding your method of constantly disengaging and reengaging Autopilot.
Personally, I love Autopilot, it’s far in advance of the lane keep assist on the I-PACE I had previously.
Having watched the rest of your vid, the I.D.3 is very good. I’m impressed by how much interaction you can have with the vehicle, coaxing it through bends or along roads (avoiding vehicles/pot holes) without the Autopilot system dropping out.
Great vid, Richard, thanks!!
What stalk? He's driving a model 3 Highland with no stalks
@@GreenTorque I’d guess whatever the equivalent operation to engage Autopilot on the M3 is - a variation on that.
I haven’t personally taken the opportunity to drive a stalkless Tesla as yet.
Maybe Richard can give it a try for us.
on the new version you can scroll the right thumb wheel up and down to change the speed.
They're not putting effort into autopilot written in c++ as fsd neural nets is coming to the uk next year and is a massive leap forward.
@@GreenTorque an alternative would be to double tap the speed limit on the screen. It has the same effect
You don't have to cancel AP and re-engage it to change the speed limit in the Tesla. Clicking on the red speed limit sign will change the AP speed limit to the same value. You can also use the right scroll wheel on the drive wheel (if you do "fast" scrolls, it changes the speed by increment of 5kmph/mph so you need two scrolls to adjust from 40 to 50, for example). Someone mentioned also just pushing the right stalk to the bottom for a few seconds: I didn't know about that and will try it.
As for taking over, using the blinker light isn't enough in Europe, the law forces Tesla to ask you to put your blinker THEN slightly push the steering wheel in the direction you're blinking. By the car will overtake and go back to the normal lane without any problem.
I was about to comment: "2:00 WHAAAAT? EAP doesn't allow you to use the scroll wheel?" 😋
@@Hexalyse New cars (late 2023 onwards with mandatory ISA) have disabling ISA when driver touches the speed sign icon. It’s not setting the speed to TACC
In Europe, traffic rules vary slightly by country. For example, I was driving on a highway with a speed limit of 110 km/h. In that country, speed limits usually apply only until the next intersection, and they don’t post signs to indicate when the limit ends or if a new limit begins, you’re just expected to know that it applies until the next intersection.
However, Tesla’s Autopilot doesn’t account for this and won’t let you exceed the posted speed limit by more than 10 km/h. As a result, you can end up stuck driving at 90 km/h on a section of road where the actual maximum speed might now be 110 km/h. Because of the last speed limit sign which Tesla recorded.
@@woodypwx Oh wow ok, I didn't know about that! Good to know! So I guess only the scroll wheel method remains on the 2023+ models?
@@denisaskirilovas4012 Yeah Tesla really needs to work on specificity of European countries. I live in France, and sometimes the AP is completely lost about the actual speed limit of a road, and I have to override it.
I have an ID3 and must admit I find the system very good and use it daily on all different roads, town, county and highway
I've had my M3 for nearly 3 years now. I frequently travel on highways into the city. When I hit the normal peak hour traffic, what I find very frustrating with the auto pilot is that it "usually" brakes pretty well for cars stopped or slowing down up ahead, though it sometimes will panic and slam on the brakes a little too late. But what is most annoying is when the traffic up ahead starts moving (from standstill), as auto pilot is still set to highway speeds it apparently believes it has to use all the power at its disposal to immediately get back up to highway speeds from standstill, only to then, of course, notice the car just ahead and slam on brakes again. The whiplash effect makes it pointless to use. If I set it to "chill" mode, it does a little better, but the auto pilot stack really needs a lot of work. Apparently it gets updated with FSD, but for those of us outside of the US who can't get FSD, we are stuck with this really old software stack that just isn't very good. And certainly not for software that is as old (i.e. mature) as it is now
I have model x and Hyundai Kona. Hyundai Kona brakes gently and picks up speed gently if it is very slow traffic. Tesla will accelerate very hard, i try to set cruse at 10 or 15 but still it will not accelerate smoothly. Tesla can easily add an option of how a car should accelerate in a traffic. I usually cancel the auto pilot when i am stuck in traffic because of harsh acceleration
I recently hired a Mk8 Golf with the same system as the ID3. Drove from Yorkshire to London and back with the adaptive cruise control on. Really excelled in start stop traffic on the M25, no need to touch the pedals.
And no need to touch the steering wheel to steering? Because here it seems pretty useless...
I agree as a Model X 2023 owner her in Norway.I have to say I realy like driving the car but autosteer / enhanced autopilot is just the worst I have driven........So frustrating.....
I’ve just changed from a Model 3 with standard autopilot to a VW ID7. I loved the Tesla but was always a bit wary of the autopilot. All the reasons that RS gives here, plus phantom braking. I am surprised to prefer the ID software and driver assistance. Very smooth, predictive and reliable. A minor gripe that the lane change assist only works on motorways (not dual carriageways) but that is not the end of the world and I guess is understandable.
Very impressive. We were brainwashed to think that Tesla were the kings of auto pilot and VW software was lagging well behind. Richard rightly identified the problems we have in the Uk with constantly varying speed limits. The real strength of the ID.3 is that it does not just rely on its camera but the SatNav obviously has embedded maps that knows where the speed limits change and therefore can prepare the car. This is what driver assistance systems should be about.
Speed limits change frequently in the US too.
VWs automatic windscreen wipers work properly too
Gotta say, I am very impressed with Travel Assist in my new Škoda. I never thought to compare it with Tesla Autopilot, I just thought the Tesla would be better. This is very interesting and I am pleased (given I did consider a model Y) that I made the right choice.
@@matthewtyler-jones8317 a lot of non-Tesla owners think Tesla AP is the best for some reason. Really hard to convince them otherwise even though they dont own a Tesla 😅
@ I put it down to the sales talk of that fellow Musk 😀
Do people really use autopilot or equivalent on single carriage roads with faded markings? I drive a Tesla but I'm not a fanboy. My motives for buying one are the charging network, efficiency (4+ miles per kwh for most of the year) and cargo and passenger space (Model Y). I sometimes use autopilot as cruise control on motorways and dual carriageways but otherwise drive the car myself. Sometimes I think we are all becoming obsessed with technology for it's own sake.
Basic/Enhanced Autopilot does not seem to get much attention from Tesla at the moment. FSD is where all the effort is going. My hope for the future is that Autopilot becomes a "free" version of FSD, meaning that the lane keep, speed control and obstacle avoidance becomes smarter, but without the full self driving experience, of course. It makes sense for Tesla to use a unified software approach, as FSD can be learn/improve also when just using Autopilot. They can still limit it from becoming so good that it cannibalises FSD subscriptions
2022 M3 performance - bought 2nd hand with enhanced autopilot and I rarely use it. Used it a couple of days ago and it decided to do an emergency brake from 70 to 50mph, and that was either because we were overtaking a truck and it thought we were going to hit it (no indication of that to me) or because we were passing under a 50mph road and it got confused. I usually just stick to cruise control as it feels a lot less dangerous, and even with that I don't trust it to slow down at junctions.....
Sounds like your experience is the same as mine. Used M3 Dual Motor which came with EAP. Passing HGVs is really hit and miss, the slightest movement in the lane by the HGV and the car brakes.
I have an ID4 and I love the dynamic regen braking it has. Normally it has barely any regen but once I come up to a slower moving car, a corner, a suggested change in direction etc, the anticipates the slowdown and enabled auto regen braking for me. I absolutely hate that Tesla's has massive regen and no settings for it. Lift off the accelerator and the car starts braking. Some people love that and drive with one pedal. I really don't like it.
The ID cars also have the B mode, mostly for autobraking on downward slopes but I hardly use it. I just leave my ID4 in Drive and the car does auto braking for whenever it's needed. And if I lift off the pedal and there is no need for braking, the car just floats along like a normal car. The actual manual braking did take some getting used to.. have to push harder vs in my old Passat. But once you get the hang of the actual pedal, it's all fine. And with the dynamic auto brake, I don't have to do much braking at all.
The ID cars also have drum brakes and people laugh when they hear that. I love that it barely has any wear and you don't have to do the whole anti-corrosion song and dance Teslas need. Search for "model 3 brake corrosion" and you'll see what mechanics have to do to every Tesla to keep brakes in good working order.
Bro you just took the words out of my mouth, had a Tesla model y, and now the ID3. D mode on id3 is just amazing much more comfortable than the Tesla dumb full Regen mode only. When on city or driving more aggressive on b roads i use B mode. The ACC is also so much better on ID3 , don't have travel assist so I can compare the autopilot it self, but in Tesla it was pretty shitty other than pure highway with low traffic
It's actually sad because I prefer Tesla overall, but I really love the way Vw manages the Regen/throttle that I think I won't buy Tesla next but a vw group ev
@@hdiassss Yeah I do have travel assist and in heavy traffic it's really a dream feature. I hate that most VW software is so slow but clearly the actual car tech is so much better. I've been driving many VAGs in the past (Polo, Golf, Passat etc) and I've seen every feature come up and grow, way before anything Elon ever touched.. VW may suck in infotainment but they are true car kings. Also the suspension.. man, Tesla is rough. I love the dynamic chassis control on mine. Even more control.
@@mmaster23 Yeah i think VW just loses to tesla in terms of infotainment and Engine Power, also teslas have more space usually. Other than that i think VW has done it better.
Impressed by the id3 ... I have done 73000km since July 2022 in my Model Y and agree with your conclusions, thankfully I'm in France and can use autopilot on motorways here without having the problems the id3 would fix.
Agree with your criticism having to fight with a Tesla on steering and then just cuts off. Regarding the adaptive cruise element, it’s worth mentioning the removal of radar on Teslas, although the Tesla camera system has improved of late. We have M3 and eGolf, and the VW radar adaptive cruise is superior.
Bottom line is that Tesla autopilot (for highways) hasn't really changed in years (I got my Tesla in 2020 and no significant changes since then). Firstly there were the years of coding FSD for city streets (only) that ended up going nowhere and being replaced by neural net based architecture with FSD beta V12 in 2023 (again for LHD only - specifically US and later Canada)). Tesla has only just started beta testing of neural-net based highway driving software stack to replace the old autopilot (again LHD only for now). Assuming that video-based neural net training for RHD markets is still a year or two away, not much to look forward to I'm afraid (not even getting rid of phantom braking :-( ).
Yes, exactly my feelings. I love the car, but not getting any improvements in the autopilot for years is a growing frustration. Especially when we see all these impressive new capabilities they're bragging about in US. Why couldn't at least the pathetic phantom breaking be fixed for us outside US?
@@dyemanoz I have a 2021 Model 3 and a 2023 Model Y and AP is actually a lot worse in the Model Y.
Technically you could get pulled over if you pass the sign above what it says. This implies the Tesla drives illegally. Try telling the officer it was the car and not you. The VW system slows down before the sign and thus passes it at the correct speed (when it works).
There is a bit of wriggle room, that's why cameras are not at the speed signs. Speed traps are set well after the signs.
@@keithdenton8386 Only if you're lucky! I got a ticket for accelerating out of a 30 limit; the camera image has the derestricted sign clearly visible only a few yards further up the road. I can't imagine they'd be more lenient on the way into a 30!
@@keithdenton8386 in Denmark they put the speed traps right after the signs.
Thanks for the video, I really hope Tesla takes notes. I’m not getting much benefits out of my Enhanced Autopilot for the same reasons. AutoPark also doesn’t always find parking spaces, and worst of all, Summon needs an internet connection, in the UK where most underground car parks don’t have a decent signal. I’ve pretty much given up on it now other than keeping a straight line. Tesla really needs to improve this system for what's worth..
M3 with EAP; I find Autopark pretty good providing there are some lines for the car to "see" it even works most of the time with the typical UK worn out markings. I've only used Summon to get the car out of tight car park spaces to get my wife in as she is a wheelchair user, it works OK for this, although not tried it in an underground car park.
Travel Assist is fantastic ❤️
Totally agree with all the Tesla issues and the VW system looks way way better.
On the Tesla you don’t need to keep cancelling and restarting the autopilot when the speed doesn’t increase…you can just touch the speed icon on the screen.
Great video 🙂👍
VW uses MobilEye for driver assistance features. They have patents that prevent other manufacturers from using certain speed detection techniques. The newer Tesla software stack uses a different method for speed change behaviour that circumvents this issue. We won’t get the new stack until the regulations are updated. Tesla could retrospectively modify the older version that we’re using, and hopefully they will, because regulatory changes will probably take a long time 😢
The fact that patents like this are even legal is absolutely criminal.
@@TAD-9I disagree. If you can't create your own you can always licence others. Xiaomi has a really good system they use in china. They have been navigating cities for a few years now.
@@StephenButlerOne You're missing the point. The patent Mobileye owns for speed recognition is essentially just "using a camera to recognize speed limit signs". While it sounds simple, it's not as straightforward as it seems, especially since Tesla and Mobileye are direct competitors.
@TAD-9 I'm just getting rid of a 21 ioniq, that too reads the speed signs. Many companies do it.
@@StephenButlerOne Hyundai buys the solution from Mobileye, which is a direct competitor to Tesla.
VW´s ACC is amazing, I have a miserable daily commute with constant traffic jams and the car just drives itself without any issues, It´s a level of comfort i had never expected. For my daily usage it´s just the perfect car.
Excellent comparison and well produced video. Agree 100%. These are both L2 systems, but Tesla hype it up beyond truth. A working L4 AFSD still seems 25-30 years away and impossible without radar/lidar, cameras only cannot cope. Regulators will need to catch up. Prepare for incoming if you criticise Tesla the fan boy faithful are hyper sensitive to anybody who does nose ooze praise for AP or FSD (myth). Travel assist has its eccentricities too, but more intelligent and natural L2 system than TAP. A fair minded comparison. Travel Assist is nippier on speed, sometimes approaches round about or stopped cars a little faster than I'd be comfortable with.
We have 2 Teslas. Second Model 3 was used and came with EAP. The dealer didn't know it had it so it added nothing to the value. I wouldn't pay more than $500 for it. It's honestly all it's worth
Autopilot is not intended for use on the roads you’re driving on. The legislation limits the cornering g force for automated systems, it also requires manual confirmation of any system initiated manoeuvres. It is only useful for motorways. Enhanced autopilot in Europe makes no sense, the features are either limited by legislation (auto lane change and summon for example) or still unavailable (auto park on hw4). I would never recommend anyone buys EAP or FSD on a Tesla outside the US.
Thanks for the logical, unhysterical comment.
I get your arguments, makes sense. That also means that Tesla does not care to adopt their product to Europe. They are really behind now, most of the competition is way ahead of Tesla.
I don't think it is the point of the video. Even on motorways AP is very bad, it is 5y old software stack.
I used to have a 2023 Skoda Enyaq Coupe, and now I have MY AWD LR. I really like my Tesla, but Autopilot is just garbage here in Europe. I literally never had any issues with Travel Assist (that’s what Skoda calls their Autopilot equivalent). Autosteer in the Skoda works just like Tesla’s Autopilot, but I avoid using Tesla's system because it does so much ghost braking, which is simply dangerous.
I've even developed a fear of trucks because the Tesla frequently auto-brakes when trucks are nearby. This will be my first winter with the Tesla in Finland, and I definitely won’t be using Autopilot or AP, it’s just too dangerous on ice if it randomly brakes. Also, Tesla’s road sign recognition is terrible.
Make it a business trip, fly to the US. If you fly to western NC I would let you drive my ‘23 Model Y. I have the most current available to date. 12.5.6.3 I would be stunned if you weren’t deeply impressed. It’s close to perfect. Not quite, but very close. Version 13 is coming relatively soon and will be even better.
I've currently had free FSD the past 45 days...If I'm driving around town it's just easier and quicker to do it myself. I've used it a handful of times on long distance trips and almost always encounter odd issues whether it's phantom braking, going the wrong speeds, choosing to cruise in the passing lane for no reason with cars barreling down behind me, the list goes on...hard pass on FSD
They need to add a proper speed limiter button, like found next to the cruise control button on a BMW etc. because the adaptive is crap and around town the speed limiter is better. (No i am not talking about the limiter in the depths if the menu that only works from 50mph up, thats a different thing)
100% agree. I switched from a Cupra Born to Model 3 Performance and the adaptive cruise control and the assistance systems in general are more reliabel and seem more solid.
Etron GT driver here. System is more or less the same as on your VW. Much prefer it to the Tesla autopilot. It may be one of the few areas in which the Audi is significantly superior to the Tesla
Nice to see. D drive on the motorway , cruise control on and when approaching an exit , put into B drive and get on the slip road hit the brake to turn of cruise control and the car soaks up the speed and charges the battery whilst slowing down... Brilliant. I just wish there was a way of adaptive cruise control to plus 10kph of the speed limit. All the locals do 20kph or more so whenever i have adaptive cruise control its always slowing the traffic.
The main failing on any Tesla is that they're frugal to a fault; from removing all of the expensive Mercedes switch gear (stalks, buttons, switches), to removing the front facing radar, ultrasonic parking sensors, and even infrared rain sensors. All of these standard, albeit expensive, features of any modern car have been removed in lieu of much cheaper though questionably tested computer-vision software solutions that are susceptible to issues with weather, dirty cameras, and lens flares in strong sunlight.
Agreed. My 2024 M3 will phantom brake most frequently in strong sunlight and shadow. My wife’s 2021 BMW X3 with adaptive cruise is a much better system. No phantom braking in 36k miles of driving. Still love my M3, just not Autopilot. At least I didn’t waste money on EAP.
@@johnfranklin6394 I have yet to have a phantom braking event on my 2023 EV6GT after 50,000km; but did experience it on my first day with a rental Model Y when we were on holiday - it scared the crap out of me and my wife!
@@bfvadermy ev6 phantom breaks on the same place about 2 miles south of the replacement Forth bridge in Scotland and a couple of other places. But 72,000 miles that is all. Vw group travel assist is better than Kia but it is still a great system I have used successfully in many countries. The lane change assist on Kia’s is absolutely useless. Next year planning to drive from la to Florida so want a car with adaptive cruise control and like the idea of a Tesla as hire companies just don’t list adaptive cruise control. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
@@duffman9 Luckily my daily highway commute is GPS mapped here in Canada so the lane change assist and HDA2 work great, but I know there are sections of the highway where this isn't available and it falls back to HDA without lane changing and more restrictive hands-on-the-wheel requirements.
The Out Of Spec Motoring channel on RUclips recently posted a series covering their Seattle to Boston 3,000mi coast-to-coast EV race with 9 cars where they cover about the different driver aids. Might be worth checking out.
@ I watched the I-90 surge and was surprised that non Tesla charging worked so well in the states. In Europe charging is much better as everything has moved to ccs. My problem is that the hire companies don’t describe which of their cars have adaptive cruise control except Tesla
The “Navigate on autopilot” is severely limited by regulations outside the US. Tesla have had to put the manual signal requirement in to comply. In the US the vehicle will change lanes without driver intervention. The entire feature sits on the now legacy autopilot stack. It appears that Tesla are waiting for regulatory approval before we get the updated version. It will take a while. When it eventually comes though, it will be amazing. My guess is 2028 ish.
Really informative and well filmed with commentary of the HUD on the ID3, Richard. Many thanks.
Richard, you are spot one.
Having a Model 3 and Cupra Born in the same household completely agree with everything mentioned in this video. Thanks for this one Richard.
I have a 2018 MS with enhanced autopilot and I am astonished at how much better the VW is. Everything you experienced with the M3 mirrors my experience with my MS. On autopilot it will slow down from 40 to 20 (I live in Wales!!) after I pass the speed limit sign, but going the other way it will frequently only go to 30 not 40. However I do not need to cancel and re-engage, as pulling the autopilot stalk towards me and holding it resets it to the actual speed limit. Also I was very surprised that the VW seems to be ignoring the EU/UK directive on how much the steering wheel is allowed to be turned by the driver assist programme. Is this a case of 'We don't use that rule?', which I find is very common in the Netherlands.
Absolute respect for your honesty Richard for telling this as it is despite the fact that a large part of your channel and business is based on Teslas.
Rather than following the fashion of just about every other EV channel and deriding VW EV’s you tell it as it is.
The fact is that VW were one the few ICE manufacturers to commit at an early stage to cars that are EV from scratch.
These other people bang on about ‘scratchy plastic’ and ‘laggy software’ when in truth the ID3 is a brilliant, practical and economical car. I’m onto my second and will happily get another when the time comes to change. And, the adaptive cruise is one of my favourite things about the car. It works superbly and makes driving a breeze.
I have a night and day different experience. My ID3 driver assist would run off the road if I trusted it. Tesla's Autopilot is rock solid. It will not wander. Actually, they are both motorway/carriageway systems. In terms of speed limiting, yes the Tesla isn't great. It misses short term speed changes. But neither is my ID3, and I do have the latest software. Speed limiting on the ID3 is arguably better, but overall Autopilot is way, way better. Try letting ID3's Driver Assist steer you down the same road. You'll be off into the weeds after the 2nd or 3rd bend as the system gives up.
100% agree! Same HL, EAP user. adjusting vehicle speed to actual limit is a HUGE omission, curvature assist is a joke(as is)! :/
I have a M3 Highland. You are completely right - standard Autopilot is pretty rubbish, I hardly use it. I've even stopped using it in traffic jams as it accelerates and brakes too aggressively, making passengers complain. I don't understand how they can claim to be close to FSD when the free version is so awful. I also don't understand how they can expect people to pay thousands to upgrade - if you've tried the free version, there's no way you're paying for an "enhanced" version.
There's lots to like about Tesla, I'm on my second, but Autopilot has been left behind.
You dont have to cancel it and enable it again to get up to the new speed. You can tab the speed on the screen or use the stalk by holding it down for a few seconds. Not sure it there is a way to do it on the new wheel without stalks
In Europe, tapping the Speed Sign on the screen enables/disables a sound warning for speeding that is enforced by law. I see the same symbol on the UK version, so I guess it's the same there. Unless there is another way that I don't know, it is not possible to make the new M3 to react to the speed change without disengaging&re-engaging Autopilot. As of now, sometimes it does, sometimes doesn't.
well you still have to do something, VW doing it automatically.
@@MendoTubeyou are correct. The EU cars act differently. I have the S3xy commander installed in my car which allows you to alter speeds to the speed limit without disengaging. Not to mention a ton of other features.
The Volkswagen polo comes with travel assist as standard despite the car costing half the price of other cars where their driving assistance system is an optional extra costing a few thousand pounds.
We have two IDs and I really like the system , it's great to keep you within the speed limits and to slow down for roundabouts and junctions. The one little flaw with it here in Ireland is the VW mapping , it can pick up old speed limits that are no longer in effect. I taught at first it was caused by the councils and the roads authorities not updating their new speed limits but they assured me it was down to VW and they update the new limits immediately . Overall it's a great system and seems to be improving with each SW upgrade.
As a Tesla Autopilot-only-user, I always wonder how the other manufacturers are doing Driving assist.
With non-tesla friends mentioning as well I'm quite shocked to see the comparison.
Nice info, you proved your point well but we still love Tesla.😋
I am UK based and had a Tesla Model 3 for 3 years, and am now 6 months into BMW i5 ownership. The i5 has the full driver assistance packs and appears to be similar to your description of the VW ie loads better than the Tesla! As such I 100% agree that the Tesla is not so good - certainly compared to BMW! I also read today of some people that have been waiting for 4 years for Tesla full self driving and are now asking for their money back and / or going to small claims court to get it as Tesla have not delivered. Great channel BTW!
I have a model 3 and an ID Buzz (for work). The model 3 feels like a quality machine but ~OMG the cruise sucks, as you say, it fights you all the way and does not instil confidence. The Buzz on the other hand is awesome, stops me from speeding, keeps up with the traffic flow and is superb for the A3 and all of its hold ups, it basically drives my thru the Guildford bypass with its daily start/ stop with minimal effort on my part. I’ve done the same trip with the tesla and it’s a way less composed experience. For all of Elons talk he really needs to up his game on this one!
Had a Tesla for a while now (bought from you guys as it happens) and whilst I love it overall, many of the automatic systems are under par. Wipers, lights, cruise control are all quite erratic. It absolutely hates cars parked on the kerbside or if you try to take a bit of a smoothing line through a corner (in wide, close apex, out wide). In summary, probably great in the US, but a long way to go yet to deal with UK roads.
Yes agree with this, we had a golf on hire when on holiday and it behaved much more naturally. Although it did decide at wanted to do 120kph when we were in a 50 limit in roadworks. It actually did the same thing the following day in the same
Place! Tesla’s change is speed when lane changing is infuriatingly slow.
Great content Richard, Tesla auto-pilot looks lethal and expensive…
In Australia it’s works well 95% of the time. I’ve had a used 2022 Tesla M3 for 2 months and use Enhanced Autopilot most days. Wide, newer roads where I live are ideal for the auto steering and navigation off the freeways is great. To change lanes when overtaking you need pull down on indicator hard as a light pull only puts the indicator on (not sure how that works on the non stork newer models)
I have an Enyaq and the VAG system is generally excellent, I drive a lot using it to help stop me from getting tickets. You can tell it uses a combination of map knowledge and cameras when going through villages that have recently changed to 20mph zones. It would see the initial 20 change and then between the repeater signs decide it's 30 and accelerate. I've also had some weird behaviour on Motorways where it suddenly decides the speed limit is 100! And with the smooth acceleration took me a few seconds to realise...
Agree completely - have been driving a Tesla M3 and a Skoda Enyaq side by side over the last 2 years, and whilst not a fan of autopilot generally, do prefer the VAG system in my Enyaq which is more intuitive imo. The Tesla warns you of speed cameras which the Enyaq does not.
We have a 2021 M3 LR and a 2019 SR+. The SR+ is a used car we recently bought from Tesla, and they’ve installed enhanced autopilot before putting it up for sale. Boy are we glad we didn’t spend $5,100 Australian on this software. If it was $510 we’d have still been disappointed. We certainly won’t be adding it to the LR. Tesla did us a favour by giving us the enhanced autopilot freebie as we had been toying with getting it on the LR, on the misguided assumption that it would work.
Enhanced autopilot sometimes changes lanes on the multi lane roads, sometimes not. Often not. And Summon is hilarious! Hilarious to the people watching, who get to show their mates a phone video of a car having a nervous breakdown trying to reverse or move forwards in a large, empty car park.
Regardless of whether it’s the standard autopilot car or the enhanced, both have all the same issues you’ve described: maybe recognising speed signs, maybe not; maybe responding to them, maybe not; regardless, hurtling into a lower speed zone at the previous speed and then it slows down quite suddenly. Way too late to avoid a mobile speed camera for sure. Surely, Tesla can program autopilot, enhanced or not, to respond to the speed limit changes from the time the car detects a speed limit sign? The signs are picked up well before the car gets to them, and yet nothing happens until you’ve wooshed past.
We’ve had the LR for over 3 ½ years. In that time, autopilot has improved a little bit. Still scares the shit out of us, and other road users, by slamming the brakes on with no warning and in response to nothing that we can see; slams the brakes on when a pedestrian is waiting in the middle of the road for us to pass, even at quite low speeds; slams the brakes on when a vehicle enters from a side road and isn’t even in the lane we’re in. Playing with the following distance only changes how embarrassingly distant from the non-existent hazard we are when the cars throw their hissy fits.
Complaints to Tesla draw the response that autopilot is in “beta”, which I assume means that after a decade they still can’t make it work.
Cheers from South Australia!
Oh no, you’ve spoken the clear and obvious truth to “The Cult”.
Good luck, sir. Good luck.
(I’d be more likely to pay 3 and a half grand to avoid - what ever that is.)
Agree Tesla could do with improving! I have a 2022 Model 3 RWD and recently my wife got a 2023 GWM Ora. Honestly I prefer the "autopilot" on the Ora. It doesn't randomly slow down as often, has its own dedicated control stalk and will follow at a longer distance if I want (sometimes my Tesla gets a bit uncomfortably close on its max setting - especially in slowing traffic).
I had a Audi sq7 with all the adaptive cruise and all that which worked brilliantly 👌
Very good video. I didn't see any phantom brake lol. I just keep my model 3 turned off lol
Was at the Zurich car show and had the opportunity to test several EV's and their enhanced autopilot systems. The car that made the best impression was the Ford Explorer. Like the ID.3, it warned that there would be a speed change and slowed down smoothly to that speed limit. The lane assist was impeccable along with auto lane change. I have a Model 3 which I have a hate/love relationship with it. The Enhanced Auto Pilot sucks badly and if I knew when I bought it that it would be so bad, I would not have bought the option. I have about 2 more years with my Model 3 and hope some of the Chinese EV's have settled in the market because I will never buy a Tesla again, that's a given.
Thanks for the video Richard, I have an ID 3 2021 plate. It’s a great car. The only issue I have it does show the speed limit at times. Yesterday my chargers did not open, I took it down to VW Watford. They did open it for me, my next appointment I could only get is 23rd December, it’s crazy. I’ve just got it taped with masking tape as advised. The issue is the actuator.
If your charge port is to do with the locking pin inside the socket (shine torch in on the left), I find this quite common on ID’s and a squirt of WD40 sorts the sliding lock pin
And when overtakes a lorry, it does move to the right a bit very smoothly but it’s a bit sudden/jerky going back to the middle which is a bit awkward.
Just sold my M3 SR+ after 3 and a half years. Loved the car but was never able to live with the self-driving except for a few seconds when having just the single screen required that you take your eyes off the road.
Just took delivery of an ID.7 and from my meagre 1 week of experience so far I'm with you on this.
The VW's regenerative braking could learn a thing or two from Tesla though.
If want the best regenerative braking experience, test drive a Lucid. I know the car is in another price planet, but OMG it's so smooth and perfectly tuned.
I'll probably get used to it but the VW isn't true one-pedal driving while the Tesla would slow to a complete stop, the VW won't.
@@martincolla5645 I noticed this on several EV's I tested and the only cars that come to full stop is Tesla, Lucid and Ioniq 5.
Agreed, the autopilot is absolutely useless for anything but the most basic motorway driving. Having tried an bmw ix assisted driving, I much prefer it for motorway driving.
Couldn’t agree more - Autopilot is rubbish. I drive a Skoda Enyaq fairly frequently and that’s miles smoother and less glitchy than my Model 3. Mercedes Driving Assistance Plus I had on my 2017 E Class was still the best system I’ve ever used.
I've had my Model 3 for over 5 years now with the standard autopilot and I have to say it hasn't really changed in its basic functionality at all in that time. I've got used to all its shortcomings and adapted my driving style accordingly. I can kind of anticipate when it's going to have one of its freak-out moments before they happen now and disengage beforehand. I only ever use it on motorways, dual-carriageways and some A roads because it's just too scary on any other type of road! I'm certainly glad I never forked out for Enhanced Autopilot or FSD (did consider it when I bought the car)! No doubt the developers are putting all their efforts in to the full blown FSD system in the USA and Canada which looks mighty impressive so, hopefully, one day some of that technology will trickle down in to the UK system. The biggest annoyance for me with the standard Autopilot is the constant disengaging and reengaging when changing lanes. As a consequence I do tend to needlessly hog the middle lane on motorways just because it's a faff to change back to the left lane!
As someone else pointed out, when speed limit increases you can tap speed limit sign to register that for the sake of AP. What’s even easier, and achieves same, is pulling down on the right stalk for a second. Oh, you have a Highland? Oh dear, forget that then or buy the Enhance products which achieve the same. Time stalks were replaced - obvs…
I’ve had a further thought on this. Having watched many FSD demos on this platform, I’m thinking it must be difficult for Tesla to make a paired down version of the best Self Driving system on the planet, without making unduly too effective.
They essentially have to make a sh!t version of FSD. 🤷🏼♂️
However as I’ve said in a previous comment, there’s no excuse for Autopilot not to perform, minimally as well as the I.D.3, which is effectively showcased here by Richard. Again, nice work, certainly opened my eyes as to what’s available elsewhere, thanks. 👍
When I had my model S from you five yrs ago now it had AP1 and I don’t recall it being that slow to accelerate but only used it on the A3 to Surrey a few times. The vw did seem a lot more reactive in your test. Good snd interesting comparison.
I agree. I think the tesla system wants to be full automated but can’t so it’s limited and “locked”. The others arnt trying to be full automated and knows that the tech can’t so so does it better with that in mind. Just having the Tesla not “lock” the wheel would sort it.
Yes, I agree
They're really building an almost sentient like super driver. Big job, will win the big prize if they succeed. In the meantime we're getting amateur hour version in the UK.
Great video, would be very interesting to see more comparisons like this, such as with Kia / Hyundai or Polestar for example. I was pleasantly surprised by the driving assist features on a Kia Xceed I rented recently.
I would love to try an ID vehicle with the full driving assist package and HUD as well, from what I've read / heard it seems hard to beat.
Current car is a Model 3 Long range, previous car was an ID3 Tour. Was really excited to move to the Tesla because it’s a Tesla and all the hype regarding them. As an EV it’s very efficient and the supercharger network is excellent….. however , for doing big mileages , which I’m I do, I would take the ID3 in a heartbeat. Travel assist (vws autopilot) is on a completely different level to Autopilot, it’s embarrassing for Tesla just how much better it is. Also as so many supercharger sites have opened up plus the likes of Ionity and Fastned sites the unique offering isn’t there anymore. As soon as this lease ends it’ll be back to the VW group cars (ID4 or 7 or Enyaq) . And I haven’t even mentioned VWs utterly superb matrix headlights, they’re like igniting a star at night time 😂
Think you're right. I'd like to try FSD in the UK though. I feel EAP needs improvement and I'm still missing features like park assist but I do think that a vision only system with Tesla's neural network is ultimately the way ahead for the future
On pre-highland model3 you can touch speed limit sign on screen or push drive handle up to match the speed
Wow amazing demonstration, thank you so much for taking time ans showing us how real world driving works, definitely VW is much more mature solution compared to half baked Tesla.
I have a 2021 Model 3 LR. Every now and then it does the speed change when entering different speed zones, but I can't work out why it does this. I agree Autopilot needs a big update. The other issue I have is why it wont re engage auto pilot when performing a lane change.
Adaptive driving in my i7 works brilliantly
I have no basis for comparison but our Mach E has blue cruise which i have used on several motorways found it extremely useful and actually made my journey far more relaxing once you get over the hands free aspect of it. the regular adaptive cruise control is also very good in my opinion but as i say these are the first adas system of this level i have used previously just had bog standard cruise control.
I have a 24 Tesla model 3 which is my second consecutive new Tesla. Even with this new model there is no way I trust just basic cruise control, it's too erratic and phantom breaks to the point that I feel it's unsafe. My last Tesla was the same and that had sensors on the bumpers. I think it's all optimised for the US road system.
I find the same issues with my M3P: failure to accelerate quickly enough with clear road ahead, failure to decelerate in advance of lower speed signs, but worst of all, phantom braking that can be positively dangerous. So I only use AP on motorways and dual carriageways
Terrific demonstration. The id3 suffers from its early -2020 - reputation. Might still be plasticky inside but I think its a decent car. And better with recent hw updates.
@@GaryJohnWalker1 The interior is pretty hideous. But it has something approximating a dashboard, has proper controls and shock horror, actually functions properly. It’s breathtaking how the Tesla faithful are so very adamant that it is still ‘better’, when it’s just worse.
Agree on Tesla. My current i4 is miles better when overtaking in motorways in terms of releasing the steering to allow the manoeuvre and accelerating straightaway to keep ahead of traffic. Also much better in traffic as the Tesla is too jerky on and off when accelerating from standstill whereas the bmw is smooth and progressive
I wouldn't dare use my Tesla's AP on an A road, just too scary !. It will drop down to the signed speeds but not pick up again apart from one place, A1M changing to the M62 East of Leeds, the road drops to two lanes and flags for 50MPH which the car does, then just before joining the M62 there's a National speed limit sign and the car accelerates to 70, marvellous !.
Meanwhile Further North on the A1M swapping to the A64 towards York the car indicates all on its own and tries to take me off the motorway then throws a wobbly!. I always try to be in the right lane away from the off ramp. Oh what fun we have screaming in fear and all this for only £3,500 !
The full VW Travel Assist system is really good. I definitely think it's better than the Tesla system. However the downside is you only get it in high spec cars. Otherwise it's just basic Lane Assist plus ACC, although the ACC system is also good.
I have a 2021 Model 3 LR AWD from Dec 2020 and a 2023 Model Y RWD from Sept 2023.
Autopilot (especially autosteer) works A LOT better in my Model 3 compared to my Model Y.
Tesla explained to me that the newer cars are more “sensitive” in a bad way. Something about the newer computer iterations and the systems they use to detect edges, etc.
Is 2021 Tesla use ultrasonic sensots and radar?
@ yes exactly. Not sure about radar, but Tesla said USS is still used to detect curbs/edges.
I like that Tesla slows down the speed but doesn’t increase it automatically. Safer.
I really wanted EAP when we bought the car though I wanted to test standard AP first, but 2.5 years later I still wouldn't pay more than £500 for it in its current state. Really frustrating, with all the FSD developments in the USA it feels like AP and EAP have just been completely forgotten, was hoping we would have seen a cascade of advancements to keep up with other brands.
Great video and comparison - Though I do think UK and UN regulation is really holding back progress for Tesla in UK. When I watch FSD 12.5 videos filmed in the US, it's clear great progress is being made - It's just slow to get the legislation in place, so that everyone sees the real difference. Whilst things are being held back, we're all just waiting eagerly.
Bought FSD with our 22 Model Y and believe that Tesla will get it to as good a level in UK as it is in US 🤞
While I agree in general, you are expecting FSD functionality from EAP. A Highway only test would be more appropriate for EAP!
Sill, even on highway, the suggested lane changes are a joke! Would take me behind a lorry, much slower(visible on display). Changes lanes like a sloth, with really bad dynamics :/
A (shorter) comparison between various systems woud be great. I'd like to see how MGs negotiate the same road. The ideal being that the cars slow down ahead of speed reductions to be within the limit when it applies. And recognise and adapt to higher speed restrictions. I have a 2018 MS with Enhanced Autopilot and it's shockingly bad. Not so many phantom braking events recently But it often aborts half way through a lane change causing me to have to emergency steer. Tesla are applauded for having good software, but the automatic headlights and wipers are better in my wife's fiesta. And their autopilot is not great. All Teslas should have HUDs.
Hi Richard, I agree. Interesting to try the new Chinese cars when they arrive in the U.K. Best regards Martin
Agree with the limitations. Found even if want to just flow at slow speed 10-15mph traffic. It brakes too late and not smooth. Too apprehensive to use, if people behind and it slams the brakes on. Would be good to have option to adaptive and standard speed based cruise.
It's not too bad on motorway. Just have to accelerate yourself to keep up when speed changes or car pulls in. But takes away some fatigue on long journey. Not sure in future version with legislation, if we get better autopilot based on what US get with FSD.
The override point is a key one. Often want to swerve a pothole or bad surface. Or maube change road position based on hazards.
On the Tesla you hold the AP button or stalk and it changes to the posted speed limit without disengaging. The corner radius issue is down to EU legislation on max cornering angle against speed.
I’ve just watched Out of Soec I-90 Surge final part and their conclusion on the driver assistance front was that the BMW I7 wipes the floor on the DA front it is so good and beats Autopilot soundly even though it’s EV performance on the charging front wasn’t great for such a huge and expensive car.
Tesla ios now only a world beater for efficency ... the rest is so far behind and now it is just a meme product and stock. This year Tesla new car sales down 12% which says it all
Goodness, if I had the money, I would trade the Model 3 for a VW!
Thanks for making this video Richard, hope Tesla takes notice and improves the autopilot system. The lethargic behaviour (especially during acceleration to achieve set speed on the highway when you have no one in front) is very annoying. Tesla seems to have fallen behind of late, which is a shame considering the constant stream of updates they keep pushing, which have not improved the driving experience at all.
I had one software version that automatically increased the speed if I had entered that lower speed limit from a higher one. For a moment I thought I was going nuts but tested it on a number of drives. With the next update it was back to how it is in Richards video. There were rumours floating about that it may have something to do with a Mobileye patent for adjusting speed based on signage, but I'm not in the know to understand how valid that may be or the content of any patents.
It was "earlier on" they did it. Gone this spring' ish. But so many other things has been broken after the "Vision" downgrade the car is outright horrible in anything but lab-perfect weather...& still there are just so many flaws.
Interesting video. This has put me off buying a Model 3.
Don't be put off so easily, there is a lot more to the Tesla Model 3 than this. Efficient, fast, comfortable, with access to the best charging network by far.
I can see that and excellent value in the current market. However, if the adaptive cruise etc is frustrating very costly to get out of.