Check out this video if you want to know how painful are charging stops are: ruclips.net/video/SvxJP5FXFIU/видео.html I also answer some of your comments.
@@corkisandberg6561 Businesses like Walmart, Target and hotels offer free charging to get EV users to come to their stores to shop or stay at their hotels. It's good for their businesses.
Because they're saving the environment. Rolls eyes. It's for the future and our children's future. And our children's children's future. They are SO selfless.
I'd have no problem having one for city use only, shopping and such, but I work construction and I need my F-250. I did see a video the other day of an all electric motocross bike and the torque is supposed to almost pull your arms out of socket! That would be fun!
@@thepenitentcop1033 Still charging an EV at a charging station is way better than going to the gas station. And time is money only if that time would be spent making money. Road trips happen once a year maybe, and most EV owners like the charging stops. I charge at home 99% of the time which is like charging a cell phone. Is it easier to charge your cellphone or fill your car with gas at the gas station? Which is more time consuming?
@@thedukeofmiddleville You're moving the goal posts. Regardless of the other virtues of an EV it's apparent that using one for a road trip is a pain in the ass.
I have an EV9, never stop for more than 25 minutes on road trips, usually less. When road tripping with a family, you spend that long just getting everyone to the bathroom and snacks. It's really not that big a deal
THIS IS RIDICULOUS! Stopping, charging, waiting!!! Don’t forget looking 👀 for charging stations…My anxiety, math skills and patience would take me out…🤦🏽♀️
Can you imagine if all cars were electric. A gasoline station with 6 pumps can fuel 72 cars per hour. You would need 60 chargers for those same 72 electric vehicles. Seems like an excersize in discouraging people from travelling.
You'd only need about 18, if they were superchargers. Most newer EV's can charge pretty rapidly to 80%, the remaining 20% takes longer to protect the battery. Also, EV's typically don't charge to 100%, but rather to a battery level necessary to get to the next stopping point. If it helps, think of it as similar to the ICE hypermiler's fueling strategy: take only the fuel you need to get to your destination/next stopping point (in their case to avoid excess weight).
That's if no one could charge at home. 60% of people will be able to charge at home and will not need to go to a public charger except in rare instance of a road trip. Gas cars have to go to the gas station, plus there will be charges at grocery stores, malls, work etc...
You may have spent less money on the electricity, however, waiting 30-40 minutes with every charge added several hours to the trip. I drive to and from my son’s place 4X/yr. He lives just north of Fort Worth. Including the driving around once I’m there, plus the highway drive, I will add 1000 to my odometer. My tank is full when I leave, fill up in OK, fill up before leaving his place, fill up in OK on my way home, and will fill up a few days after I return home. Gas for the trip runs me about $160 and I use mid grade gas. I seldom spend more than 15-20 mins at each filling station. This baby boomer isn’t sold on an electric car.
My thoughts > Driving a EV like the Rivian is still not affordable. It’s for rich people or folks that want to think they’re saving money. That thing costs $71k brand new. I’ll just keep driving my paid for 15yr old SUV, because it would take me 20+ years to spend $70k on gasoline.
For me it's not about saving money, that's a component, but it's the overall ownership experience that includes the ability to produce your own energy to fuel and the superior driving dynamics. It's still puts a smile on my face everyday.
@@thedukeofmiddleville Agree. Non EV owners can't relate until they spend a day in one. I've countelss freinds and co workers, especailly those that travel with me for 1-3 days to customers, that instantly start looking into buying or leasing one.
Apples and oranges. The Rivian is in no way less of a luxury vehicle than a $75k ICE SUV or pickup, and it is not in the same universe as an antique 15 year old SUV - at that age a beater. I mean I drive a 15 year old Tundra V8 I bought new which has been flawless with ultra low miles but it is like driving a Model T compared to a Rivian - Tundra is an ancient outdated terrible thing to drive in comparison.
At the 20:00 mark, the 'clean' energy station you are using is powered by a diesel generator behind the grey wall. I don't understand how people still think this is a viable solution. All this does is change what burns the fuel. Great video overall, glad you are making them.
Reality check... There are hotels and other businesses that offer "free charging" to their customers. BUT rest assured it is NOT free. The cost of installing and maintaining the chargers and the cost of the electricity is factored into the price of the service or product they are selling you.
"Charged at the Air B&B for free." Someone paid for it. Every time you get a "Free charge", someone has to pay for it. I travel from KY to MD 760 miles 2-3 times a year in a 2017 4 door F150 4x4 V8. Takes 1 stop for gas at 15 mins and that time includes getting a bite to eat, bathroom break etc. Takes approximately $85.00 to fill up and I make the trip in less than 11 hours. I suspect that trip would take you a full 24 hours with 30 min charging stops every 80 or so miles, do I care if your truck has 700 hp and mine has 385 hp? I do not. Bet I can get just as big of a ticket as you can if I wanted to lol. I agree electric cars/trucks have a roll, but over the road traveling is not one of them. It's not as economical (ie you'd have hotel costs in your trip to MD plus the cost of charging at least 10 times) and from the few charging stations around here, most of the time they are out of service. In about another 25-30 years when battery technology is 200% better, and it will get there THEN EV's will be the way to go, but we just aren't there yet my friend. And look, I speak from some experience. My father bought one of those EV Lighting Ford trucks when they came out a few years ago. He is retired and fishes on his 24 foot boat he trailers. He launches the boat in various rivers and points in the Chesapeake bay. Day 1 of him towing that boat 40 miles to where he set off on a full charge he couldn't even make it back home without sitting 45 mins in a charging station with a boat... imagine pulling a boat and trying to park in a tiny charging station parking spot... yeah... 4 months later he traded it off on a Toyota V8 truck and has never complained once since about having to put gas in his truck every now and then.
Charged at the Air B&B at no extra cost to me-someone may indirectly cover that, but it’s nice not having to worry about the expense every single time I need to top up. When I travel regularly, my electric vehicle makes things simple and cost-effective. Sure, a traditional truck might get you from Kentucky to Maryland in about 11 hours with just one gas stop, but that still involves burning expensive fuel and relying on outdated technology. With an electric vehicle, short charging stops-perhaps every few hundred miles-aren’t a burden. They offer a chance to take a break, stretch your legs, or grab a bite to eat while your vehicle effortlessly recharges. Even today, many charging stations are reliable and conveniently located, and as infrastructure improves, these brief stops only become more efficient and commonplace. Over time, battery technology will continue to advance far beyond what’s available now, making EVs even more impressive in range and speed of charging. The future is undeniably electric, and we’re already seeing that progress in leaps and bounds. My father’s experience illustrates how early adopters simply lived through a transitional phase. Initially, towing a large boat did highlight some of the growing pains with available charging infrastructure and battery capacity. But this is just the beginning. As we steadily move toward better chargers, more stations, and far longer ranges, the rare inconveniences of today will fade, leaving behind the undeniable benefits of clean, quiet, and cost-efficient electric travel. In just a few years, as battery tech improves and charging becomes as fast and ubiquitous as gas pumps, the arguments against electric vehicles will fall away. There’s no doubt that EVs will dominate not only local errands but also the most demanding road trips before long. It’s worth embracing that future today.
@SHORTBUSINSANITY I can agree EVs are the future. But with the current technology we have in batteries, it isn't now, at least for long trips, towing or in industry. They fit the roll of short commutes to and from work, but I'd say thats about it for now. Also want to ask a question. Lets say in 20 years the battery tech is finally there and now everyone is buying EVs, right? Do you honestly believe the costs of electricity to charge those EVs isn't going to be as high, if not higher than a tank of gasoline? I work in the electrical industry, and I promise you as soon as more people are buying EVs and government regulations say no more gas powered cars, the cost per KWH of electric is going to sky rocket which translates to everyone, not just those with EVs. The EV end game is that everyone relies on public transportation, thats where this rabbit hole ends.
@@SHORTBUSINSANITY Do you throw away everything of yours with "outdated technology"? Have you tossed our your microwave oven, stove top, vacume cleaner, washing machine, dryer, hair dryer, etc...? These are all decades old, thus "outdated" technology in your daily life. So what's so "outdated" about my gas powered car?
And don't forget replacing those tires every 30,000 to 40,000 miles as opposed to gas vehicles average is 55,000 to 85,000. And what are tires made from? Petroleum!
One thing I've never seen mentioned is you can carry a can of gas along in case you run out in a remote area but you can't carry spare electricity with you. Run out of juice and you're stuck.
True, but any place that has electricity and a 110 outlet is a charging station. However, you can charge an EV with an EcoFlow Battery and solar panels, and this is renewable energy unlike gas since once you burn it its gone. The battery and solar panel can be used repeatedly for years.
When I was visiting Norway, I learned about the perks of going EV. Lots of incentives to purchase, park, and drive to encourage adoption of the EV technology, but now I understand that many of the perks are going away and its back to business as usual now that the government has got the citizens hooked on EV's. In California, the politicians are creating legislation to charge people who have EVs for miles driven because the gas tax revenue is starting to trend downward. I wouldn't expect those free charges to continue much longer. Oh, and charging at home in California, who not only has the highest cost gas prices, but also the highest cost electric charges, PG&E especially.
@@bkon4675 Yes, and once the gov starts charging per mile driven to help pay for the roads that they are now using for free, they won't be so happy with their EVs.
And unless I'm mistaken, EV's are heavier than their equivalently sized gas/diesel counterparts. The result being more wear and tear on the highway. It will only be a few years before the charging stations start collecting mileage information from one's vehicle and Uncle Sam starts taxing at the "pump".
@@MrROFloyd they are a good bit heavier. I don't think EVs will ever take over. EVs are a luxury. Most people don't have the money to spend on one and buying a used one is a crap shoot. If you buy a used EV and then 2 or 3 years later the batteries die, that's going to be 10 plus thousand to change them. They might have only spent 5k to 10k to buy the car. Most won't have the money to do that. The used car market would crumble. My truck is 10 years old and has 72k miles. Someone could buy it and easily drive it another 15 plus years with relatively low maintenance. You can't do that with an EV. The batteries will go bad regardless of the miles and are extremely expensive to replace. None of this even takes into account the strain on our electric grid it would cause if everybody switched to EVs. I think California already tells people when they can and can't charge their EV and only a fraction of the population there even drives EVs.
Still way less time than having to be stuck with going to the gas station multiple times a month. I owned gas cars for almost 40 years and EVs for 13 and gas is a big waste of time and money if you can charge at home, work, while shopping, eating, sleeping.....
@@thedukeofmiddleville it only makes sense with the charging at night while sleep Like you do your phone.. we dont stop using nothing else while it charges but we have to leave our cars I dont see the benefit in that, electric takes i have to go now out of things…. Everyone’s going to be moving like robots, no urgency. Before anything you have to make sure all devices are charged… that’s wack
@@softwarephil1709 A lot of charging time for whom? Because it took more time to eat, change the baby's diaper, use the bathroom, and shop than it did to charge. I also charged way longer than I needed because the charges were free. That is why I didn't bother adding the time up. I charge at home 99% of the time at a fraction of the cost of gas. How much time and money are you wasting at the gas station ⛽️ where they can charge you whatever and you have no other option but to pay. I don't care what you choose to drive. I also have a gas car. So, I find it interesting that people the have no experience owning an EV seem to think they know the most
@@thedukeofmiddleville this is all just like most other things catered to ones preference even if it makes more sense than gas Its ALL PREFERENCE. I’d drive an electric car… but i honestly don’t want to charge my car.. especially if i dont own a home and can charge it at home, it doesnt make sense to me. Gas stations are everywhere and takes MINUTES literally minutes to go from E-F and be back on road
It's so much simpler to pull into a gas station, fill up, get whatever you want and be gone in 10 or 15 minutes even with toilet breaks. Gas stations are everywhere
It's even easier to wake up to a fueled (charged) car in the morning. Also easier to do without timing belt, transmission fluid, and oil changes. I know I know....... it won't work for you, because you drive 900 miles each and every day of the week.
mm with the Tesla it is definitely a little easier than with a gas vehicle. The car designs the whole trip, guides us right to the charger, and we just plug in. No faffing with credit cards. On multi day road trips it saved us about $20 per day vs driving my gas Subaru. Back home we never have to go to a charger at all, the car is always full and the cost per mile for energy is 1/10 the price compared to my Subaru. Superchargers are everywhere.
Add 10 minutes to that and that is how long it takes to charge at a Tesla Supercharger. You have to own an EV to really understand. I stop every 150 to 200 miles to charge for less than 30 minutes while I hit the head and buy a snack. And I pay $20 for every $100 you pay for gasoline. I've had my Tesla MYP for 2.5 years. During that time I have driven 45k miles. It has cost me 2 tires, one cabin filter, and refill the windshield wiper fluid reservoir.
So wait a minute. Before the introduction of high-tech into the automotive field, meaning before cell phones, before GPS., You didn’t know how to use a map? You couldn’t take directions? These days, with all of these.EVs interconnected, you will always have the capability of finding an EV charging station. The networks are growing constantly. In fact, the most impressive thing about this video is that here’s this guy, driving through heavy, red state Tennessee, one where the notion of climate change is probably universally rejected, where they ostensibly should not care a bit about electric vehicles, this guy was able to find plenty of EV stations to charge his car. Those stations were empty and available for him to use, and they were easy to find. I didn’t hear a peep out of him saying he couldn’t find a charging station. I’m sorry, but that’s a victory for EVs. It shows how penetrated that market is. So they’re here to stay. Get used to it. The only difference now between ICE cars and electric cars as far as fueling goes is that you need to start looking for a fueling station with a few more miles stored up in your car than before. Sure you might have waited until the needle was below. E before you started looking for a gas station. That was probably in your city where you knew where all of the gas stations were. Now, with an EV, you need to start looking for a charging station with perhaps 50 miles left on your battery., 100 maybe if your in unfamiliar territory. That’s all. If you start looking, you’ll find one.
@@Charlesbjtown - The strange thing about those people driving 900 miles each and every day is that they also somehow have time to watch and comment on every video about EVs on RUclips. Perhaps they are watching those videos and posting comments while doing all that driving?
As they should. These vehicles often weigh twice as much as ICE vehicles, which damages the roads/highways twice as fast. This industry could not survive without government subsidies to the producers and consumers. Without the subsidies, the vehicles cost 50% more and the charging/maintenance/taxes/registration costs are double.
@@joehannah1343In Victoria, Australia they briefly had a per/km fee added to an EV cars registration bill. It was challenged in Court and found to be unconstitutional as states can not charge for consumption? Some ancient law.
If you want to know the reality of EV road tripping from a average American family check out this video it might shock you: ruclips.net/video/SvxJP5FXFIU/видео.html Thanks for watching!
Yes time is money…if it cost $100 to fill with gas and $30 to charge… net saving of $70 you just paid yourself $70. Remember it takes time to make that $70. Time is money!
I would not want an EV if you gave it to me. Destination anxiety would make a trip not worth the worry. I want to pull in & Gas up & be gone in 10 minutes, not 2 hours. Plus when a newer better Battery comes out your old style EV won't be worth anything. To me it's a really bad investment.
I'm so glad you posted this. Nothing personal, but the inconvenience vs the pice point it's not worth it for me. What you save in fuel your paying more for insurance and tires forget the cost, of that luxury truck.
Nothing is more inconvenient than being forced to go to the gas station and pay whatever price the global market demands for oil with no other options. I charge at home 99% of the time which is no different from charging my cell phone at half the cost of gas. I own a gas car too, as I have for over 30 years, and their is no comparison. This is typewriter vs PC, and your insurance claim is false along with the tire claim. I have owned and EV for 13 years along with ICE, so I have a lot of actual experience and not stuff I heard in the fake news or some click bait video.
@@thedukeofmiddlevilleRemove all the ev promotional bs, like subsidies and "free" power deals means it's WAY more difficult to own an EV. It's for rich people to waste time. Sit and wait. Wow!
@dousiastailfeather9454 Remove the billions of tax subsidies for oil, gas, and ethanol and you will be paying $12.75 per gallon for gas. I say Remove all subsidies and let the free market decide. FYI, the majority of EVs do NOT qualify for the EV tax credit for purchase.
@@thedukeofmiddlevillewhy do they charge you to charge at home? Shouldn’t it just add to your electricity bill instead of some company adding fees. It akin to cellular phone companies charging for data
The other thing that most people don't mention is, what happens when you have several hundred cars wanting to charge at the same time? Go to a Buccee's and count the number of gas vehicles fueling in an hour. Can you imagine waiting for several hours for your turn at a charging station?
I could be wrong here but it cost you $193 to drive 1500 miles. If I drove that same distance with a Gas car getting 22 MPG I would use 68 gallons, at $3.30/gallon it would have cost me $225.00. I personally think the Hybrids are still the way to go instead of full electric.
Its only a pain to non-EV owners and EV haters. EV owners like me prefer road tripping in an EV over ICE. I've done way more road trips in gas cars than EVs and EV road tripping is the best
@@thedukeofmiddleville Well said. Having taken many longer trips in our Model 3, including camping and hotel stays, stopping every 200+ miles is refrehing and not a burden at all.
thats why you should have a choice on what to buy. NOT be forced to buy these....when they get good enough more people will buy them....strange thinking i know....
@@thedukeofmiddleville If it was up to THEM(and you know who i mean) we would all be in electric. Look at CA. If Trump was pushing them...they would be the worst thing in the world and it would be because he was in bed with the battery company's.
I still love my 42 year old diesel with 600 mile range. I usually just stop for potty breaks and coffee. I have no anxiety, a true plus is that it drives on cooking oil in a pinch with no modification and I always keep an expired bottle of olive oil in the trunk in case power goes out in storms. A truly remarkable 1983 Mercedes 300CD.
@danbailey96 it's expired, I have 3 gallons in the trunk. When pumps aren't working I will make it another 100 miles. Great deal to me. I got it free from a grocer that was throwing it away. GREAT DEAL.
I met a guy road tripping as couple of weeks ago, we were both charging at my local Chevrolet dealership that has a free fast charger. I just wanted to try it out so let him go first, and we chatted for 20 minutes while he charged. Always worth checking if there's a free charger on your route, at least for now.
I picked the hotel because they had free charges, and this is how I will choose my hotels from now on. Thanks for sharing that information on free chargers.
@@thedukeofmiddleville It's not "free". Your, and everyone else's, room charges have been increased to pay for it. This is the most "stick your head in the sand" comment you've made on this video.
There are 3 hidden costs you're ignoring: 1) New Vehicle Cost. That's a HUGE investment up front. 2) Time Cost. How much time did u spend at each charging stop? If u could have charged at the hotel or some other planned extended stop, don't count it. It's the waiting to move on that gets annoying. 3) Range Anxiety Cost. I know that there are gas stations everywhere that can refill me in 15 minutes. I can run for days, almost a week on a single $60 tank of fuel. I check the gauge & make the decision once whether I need to fuel today or not. After that, I just "sit back & enjoy the ride". Buddy w a Tesla stresses DAILY about his battery & range. His state of charge is constantly on his mind. Even parked in a lot while he's shopping, it can drop 10% because of all the energy consuming features.
Your road trip is proof never to buy an EV your free charging session's will end when enough people have bought into this garbage and you left out the amount of time wasted sitting at the charging station and don't give this crap that you got something to eat you were trapped into what ever restaurant was within walking distance
@@jimprice1959That doesn’t sound right. If less people are buying gas, the oil & gas industry are going to raise the price in order to make up for lost revenue. Additionally, you know about the gas tax so the government will also be interested in making up for lost taxes. Don’t believe the supply and demand lie, it’s all about the cheese.
@@debtfreefearless I guess you can make your truth whatever you want. According to the president of the California Gasoline Retailers association the price of gas at the pump depends on the number of gas stations in the area. I do believe "supply and demand." My 84 years of experience has shown it to be true.
@@jimprice1959 There’s no need for us to argue, but if you’re believing what the association of california gasoline RETAILERS is telling you…we’ll just have to see what happens. 😂😂
RUclips pushed your channel to me. Very interesting. Many stops were free, but we all know “nothing is free.” I wonder who pays 😊 I love my Chrysler Pacifica and will always have one, but your ev adventures are fun.
Volkswagen Group pays since they own Electrify America chargers. VW EV owner get free charging, so did Tesla owners, and I get free charging at Rivian chargers.
I have a 2015 Nissan Rogue; my best millage to date is 42.5 miles per gallon on the open highway, the tank holds 14.5 gallons of gasoline; so I can spend 5 minutes filling my tank at any gas station along any highway and travel 550 carefree miles without worrying about my batteries dyeing and getting stranded. Why the HELL would I ever trade my fuel efficient gasoline powered SUV for a lame electric vehicle.. P.S. - - - - I do have an 80V Kobalt battery powered lawn mower, and I love it.!.😉 Also - - - - - *I did hit the like button*
Can your Nissan Rogue do 0-60 in 3 seconds? I will stick with the lame 835 hp Rivian that cost me half as much to drive as the 42.5 mpg Nissan on a daily bases. Check out this video to see how cheap it is to commute in one of the most powerful SUVs: ruclips.net/video/qHChx-F0szs/видео.html
@@thedukeofmiddleville 99 percent of the driving public dont need or wish their vehicle to do 0-60 in 3 seconds. That's more to fulfill your race car fantasies I suspect. lol
I'm not anti-EV. I have been thinking about it for some time now. Your video helped remind me why it's not right for me, personally. I live in the Chicago land area and everything would be fine travelling around the suburbs. The problem becomes when I want to travel to our home in the UP of Michigan. We found one stop around the middle of the trip. Stopping too early would be a waste and still would not get us the remaining miles to the home. The stop in the middle of our trip is not on the highway, so it means having to drive 2 miles in to town. That doesn't sound like a long way, but it has a lot of traffic lights. EV is good for some, and not so good for many people living in the colder areas. Its similar to solar power. Great for some, but not ready for the entire masses. Thanks for the video!
Having driven EV's, I think the major difference is you have peace of mind w/ an ICE car. Regardless of the cost differential (which isn't crazy different), I don't really worry about having to fill up w/ gas anywhere, and I know it'll take at most ~90seconds and I'm out. With EV's, there's always a struggle to guess what your charge rate will be, if it'll work, if there's a free stall, and if the charging station is convenient. I prefer EV's for the daily commute (ability to charge at home), but I'm not sold on the road tripping yet based on my experience.
Nice video. I'm 77 and intrigued. I've read many of the comments by people griping they could never wait 25-30 minutes to fill up. Of course, around town you would charge at home and never have to fill up at all. As far as long trips, we NEED about 25 to 30 minutes as a stop to take care of things. My wife has Parkinson's so we're lucky to not have to stop every 2 hours anyway, get the wheel chair out, etc. When we were younger and took the 7 kids on a trip having to take 20-30 minutes would have been a blessing, so I think these things sound quite reasonable.
This is why I have a plug-in hybrid - AND solar panels on my house to charge it. I hear so many stories about chargers being broken/out of service. I do not ever want to get stranded somewhere running out of power.
If you want to know the reality of charging an EV while road tripping from a average American family check out this video it might shock you: ruclips.net/video/SvxJP5FXFIU/видео.html Thanks for sharing!
@@rickcalkins1215 Solar panels came with the house (builder installed), and my car doesn't need a special charging station. It charges from a regular outlet using the cord that came with the vehicle.
$87 for every 250 miles. That’s the average cost to charge at a public charging station. $87 will get you more than 1000 miles in an average gas powered car.
Look even if the electricity was cheap for the speed chargers, like $40 for 250 miles my main issue is all the extra time it takes for the trip. I've made some long road trips from MN to CO, and MN to TX. If you're going 1000+ miles you're looking at adding literally several hours to your trip with an EV. NOT WORTH IT. If I was an EV owner I would probably just fly instead of drive..which would suck because I hate flying and love road tripping.
4:08 FYI as a Model Y and $TSLA owner, I want to say, there are many of us who are happy to have non-Teslas charging at superchargers, especially with what I have heard about the reliability of Electrify America charges and some others. Personally, I would rather have a Tesla than anything else, but to each his own, and there is no doubt that the R1S and R1T are great vehicles.
Also a Tesla owner and $TSLA shareholder. I too welcome other cars. For our upcoming December 250 mile trip we plan to take our Bolt and test charge on the SuC network.
On my recent road trip, I stopped at a Tesla Supercharger and had to take up 2 spots with my Rivian. Then another Rivian showed up and he had to take 2 spots. Eventually the station filled up and there were Teslas waiting in line to charge. I felt bad taking up an extra spot. Eventually, those teslas got in and 2 of the driver's talked to me and said they totally understood and didn't mind and all. They even complimented and started asking questions about my truck! 👍
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. Does seem like a lot of time to spend in parking lots. Being a single senior I don’t think for me. I do know people that use only in the city and happy with their electric vehicles.
You did a great job on video, I’m sure now know I don’t want one of those cars. I’m just too old to try to figure out all that you did. I just want something simple.
Nice job with the review and video. I appreciate the effort to share this side of the story when driving an electric vehicle. I do not own one and have not considered one up to this point but you provided a different mindset to driving and planning ahead to where and when you will stop to recharge vs. drive and tons of gas stations everywhere. Good point on the comparison of vehicles too! High HP, luxury model at a very affordable price to operate.
I don't know about Missouri, but many states are starting to add an electric vehicle tax when renewing your license plates. This tax is to cover the road usage and upkeep of the roads. This tax is equivalent to the amount that gas vehicles pay in taxes every time they pay to fill up at the pump. This must be kept in mind when comparing gas to electric vehicle costs per mile.
Here's the reality check a lot of people ignore... There are hotels and other businesses that offer "free charging" to their customers. BUT rest assured it is NOT free. The cost of installing and maintaining the chargers and the cost of the electricity is factored into the price of the service or product they are selling you.
Just took a 700 mile trip with Ford E transit van pulling 20 foot trailer halfway on this trip. The van was pulling the trailer then coming back home F150 lighting pulling the trailer with the van loaded on the trailer. I have a lot of fun and education of course, doing these trips, two points which others make as well since most of the charging I do is at home. I’m happy to pay more on longer trips when they’re they are so rare…. number two because I pay out for about eight vehicles maintenance and repairs $80,000 per year my vehicles being diesel, putting a little more into charging up once in a while ,,,, but having practically no maintenance that still a great deal!!!!!!
Just don't forget that new battery you'll need in a few years time. You won't be saving much if any $$$$$ then. Unless there's EV's that can go 300k-500k miles on a single battery.
@@DJAJ101 Why, yes. Yes there are. In fact, there's a Tesla Model S that went over a million miles on 3 different batteries. That, of course, was an older model. The new batteries are probably going to up to roughly half a million miles. All you have to do is google it.
How in the world are you spending $10,000 a YEAR per vehicle just on maintenance and repairs!? Are these demolition derby cars? There is NO way maintenance and repairs on 8 vehicles costs $80k a year
The bumper seems a stupid place to put the plug-in. That is a vulnerable part of a car. You bump into something…the outlet is damaged…and you can’t charge.
@@stans5270 Please reread my comment. Nowhere did I say that coal was clean energy. What I did say was that EVs are still cleaner than gasoline powered vehicles even when the energy comes from electricity produced by burning coal. Of course much electricity comes from burning natural gas which is cleaner and hydro, solar and wind which are even cleaner. Of course I'm speaking as a professional engineer-so what do I know compared to you.
The pollution is where the minerals are that were mined to make the battery. Countries in Africa suffer massive pollution on the mining end, and people in the U.S. and Europe get 0 emission vehicles. Wreck the environment in one place and get nice clean air in another...that's not saving the planet.
The pollution graph is telling. The ev has the same amount of pollution at manufacturing as a gas car has made at 100,000 miles. So until the ev goes beyond 100,000 miles it has made more pollution .
I can't imagine hunting charging stations every 200 miles and then hanging out 30-40 minutes while it charges. I fill up my Honda Si for 40 dollars, and go 350 miles, fill up, and get back on the road in 15 minutes, 5 if I want to. I guess this is okay if you have plenty of time. What I learned in this video is that you spend a lot of time shopping and eating on a road trip.
I enjoyed your trip. You have a good personality- there is a “but.” For me too much time at a charging station, my Ram and AT4 will both make the trip for about $230 . Big oil is making money hand over fist with oil and electricity. The “free” “Electrify America” chargers have so far cost a BILLION dollars each -that’s you and me. I am delighted you have two EVs and wish you well and a very Merry Christmas!
The charging stops are actually one of the big surprises for my family and me. They turned out to be one of the best parts of the trip, and they make the trip feel shorter. Also, big oil is not making money on electric which is why they are lobbying hard to get EV incentives rolled back and they have contributed over $200 million this year to politicians to assist in that effort. EVs cut into big oils profits especially when more people realize they can install solar panels and create their own fuel and cut the pump like a lot of people have done with cable TV. This may also jeopardize the billions in tax subsides they receive annually which will have a negative impact on profits. In addition, none of those charges I stopped at are NEVI funded charges, as they do not meet the requirements of 23 CFR Part 680, and Electrify America was essentially created as a form of punishment for Volkswagen, as it was established as part of a settlement with the US government following the "Dieselgate" emissions cheating scandal, where the company was required to invest heavily in electric vehicle charging infrastructure to offset its emissions violations; essentially acting as a penalty for its wrongdoing. I thought everyone knew this. Thank you for commenting, and I wish you a merry Christmas as well!
Love your content sir. Just wondering why you wouldn't (With the NACS adapter) go with just Tesla and RAN for your entire trip? I just did 259 kWh and with the $12.99 Tesla monthly fee, I still averaged $.455 / kw and most importantly, it worked 100% of the time.
No Tesla superchargers came up during the route planning. I was hopping to go to one during this trip. There was one about 5 miles form the hotel, but it was V2. Thanks for sharing!
@@thedukeofmiddlevilleWhat if you set your charging preferences to only Tesla and Rivian networks? Even through the charging black hole that is I-77 in West Virginia, there's Tesla's available.
I only have been driving electric vehicles for about 12 years, but I really don’t find the cost to be particularly exorbitant. It’s kind of a package deal for me. I try to only charge at superchargers and I am conservative about how fully I charge so as to maintain the integrity of the battery pack. I have only purchased electric vehicles that have come with some sort of complementary charging for an extended period of time. Unfortunately, Tesla is extremely reliable with their charging network, but the others are no more than 85% reliable Nationwide. You are probably better off getting an adapter and subscribing to the Tesla charging system. Also, put a few solar panels on your house and charge from solar when you can. I am on my third Tesla. Also, the lower your charge when you pull into the facility, the faster it charges.
I only have to use public chargers once or twice a year, so a subscription would not be worth it for me. In addition, Rivians take up two charging spots, and I don't want to be that guy preventing other people for charging at a full supercharger. I'm in the Midwest and I have only seen a full EV charging station twice, and that only lasted five minutes, but most of the time its just one or two EVs charging and I like that. Thanks for commenting!
BINGO! That is why EVs represent only 6% of new car sales....and why 25% of those buyers sell the EV in the first year. They cite the EV is too inconvenient to own.
That is not true. According to Cox Automotive EV sales are now 10% of new car sales in the USA and growing, and 56% of new car sales in China which is the worlds largest auto market.
You have time for that since the average person make 30+ trips to the gas station each year, and the amount of time it take to get oil changes and other routine maintenance. I own gas and EV and the gas vehicle is by far the biggest time and money waster. Road trips account for less than 1% of travel. So, yes. a gas car will save time over an EV less that 1% of the time if you can charge at home or work.
@@thedukeofmiddleville HAHHAAAA! EV sales are NOT 10%!!!!!!!!!!! In fact, they have backslid to 5%-6%........No one cares about China bro......Unless you have been napping, USA is NOT China !!!!!!!!! Here in the USA, EV sales make up 5-6% of all new car sales. Which means 94% of buyers DO NOT want an EV. Unsold EVs are sitting on dealer lots.......resale values are terrible......recharge times are terrible......cold weather performance is terrible......mountain driving is terrible (battery range)........In a word....TERRIBLE !!!!!!!!
Thank you Very much for sharing your road trip. I use gas and know very little about using electric. You really presented a lot of great EV information. Sounds like you had good family time even with some bad weather.
No, apparently, there seems to be a lot of "Karens" monitoring what cars are allowed to use Tesla chargers. She isn't the first Tesla owner I've seen on social media policing the charging stations.
@@MrNew122 It can be annoying when a Hummer EV is blocking two chargers for well over an hour charging that massive battery, while all the Tesla cars are in and out in 10-15 minutes. What's really annoying is when a Hummer EV or F-150 Lightning owner pulls into a busy 150 kW Tesla SuperCharger station when they should know they can't use that station. Only Tesla cars can use 150 kW stations. All the other brands can ONLY use the 250 kW Tesla SuperChargers. They sit there trying to plug-in and messing with their app thinking that something must not be working correctly. They didn't even read the simple documentation that came with their NACS adapter.
discussing commiseration and regret, or trying to convince each other they made the "Right" choice... and they've saved the environment... and they have money to burn so it's ok at any rate...
My trip from L.A. to Tennessee in my Model X Plaid i never spent more than $35 to top up. Another trip to Vancouver and since then i’ve never paid more than $25 to top up and I like to hit the charger at less than 5%. Non-Teslas pay more at superchargers, but i’ve heard it’s still less than EA. And all of the Tesla superchargers actually work. I charge in my own garage it costs me $9 to charge from empty with nighttime discounts. $9. Compare that to your other trucks.
Duke, thx! I love road trip vids. A trick I do to equate charging costs to gas is to just move the decimal one position over. For instance at the Knoxville Flying J it would be $6.70 per gallon. Not exact but pretty close and easy to do. EV road trips are expensive. I try to hold the costs Dow by choosing a cpo (TesSC, EVgo, EA) and become a member. That helps. Thx for the video. I enjoyed watching
Before I see the results, I'd first say that I have an F-150 truck available and sitting in my driveway that I would never take on a road trip unless I was picking up or hauling large, heavy cargo. Even at the national average gas cost of $3 a gallon (which is about $1.50 a gallon cheaper than it is for me locally), this trip would easily cost me north of $225 in gas alone. If you want a low-cost road tripper, you really want to be looking at something other than a truck. An efficient EV sedan (e.g., Hyundai Ioniq 6 or Tesla Model 3) would require about half the energy you used (i.e., half the cost) and take about a quarter of the time you spent charging.
Great data, thanks! We just did 3880 miles Denver to DC via Cincinnati in a Model Y for $407 on the Tesla network with free level 2 at two hotels and at family in DC. Similar $/mile, in a smaller vehicle. Cost for EV traveling is only marginally less than ICE. And finding free charging makes a big difference. We'll check out the Paducah Walmart next time!
Good info Duke. I'm getting ready to do a major roadtrip in my R1S, so the information you provided was very useful. One other point on EVs: in Colorado, where I live, electric vehicles accounted for 25% of new vehicles sold in the 3rd quarter. Positive news countering anti-EV bias
As a Tesla owner, I find it exciting to see non-Tesla vehicles using the Superchargers. It's a great opportunity to learn about different EV models and connect with fellow electric vehicle enthusiasts! Meeting other EV owners adds to the sense of community and shared passion
Thank you. Very insitefull. I'm an old hot rodder, gear head who has driven around a lot of north America (coast to coast) and loves to drive EV is getting better and I'm looking forward to having one! Oh maybe you could tell all the negative Nancy's about when your next oil change is scheduled for, how much it will cost and how much time it will take. Thanks again.
The EV market is dying. Major companies have scrapped all the plans to continue. VW is shuddering 3 complete assembly plants, more to follow as they have lost billions on the EV debacle. I have driven both my F-150 (22 mpg @ 70) or my Mustang GT (26mpg @ 70) 1500 miles and have spent 1/3 of the Rivian's numbers...let alone the initial price of said vehicle. Fuel stops/bathroom breaks total 15 minutes max and when I need to do oil changes, I pull out my ramps and do the deal. Even at 81 yrs., I grimace at the exorbitant waste in battery development and the damage it doing to our planet.
You've got an extremely crisp video! I drove my 2024 Prius XLE over 1,000 miles in each direction, had no issues whatsoever! Great fuel mileage and excellent comfort! The most comfortable road-car I've ever owned. Of course, that was with only with 3 adults on board.
Great report! You are sooo right, there are many conflicting views out there about EV's. Good to have an objective report from a "Man on the Street" point of view.
Never got free "gad", but I did actually leave a gas station after trying to use my loyalty card to get my free gas and getting an absolute run-around from the pump computer. Ah, the heady days of sub-$2.00 gasoline.
Here's the reality check a lot of people ignore... There are hotels and other businesses that offer "free charging" to their customers. BUT rest assured it is NOT free. The cost of installing and maintaining the chargers and the cost of the electricity is factored into the price of the service or product they are selling you.
@@1982nsu It's the same as the complimentary breakfast. It's also not free, it's just passed along to all the people staying at the hotel. Any 'free' or reduced cost service is a provided as loss leader perk that draws customers to stay at the hotel. Also, most commercial power is purchased at reduced rates from the utilities, so the cost of a couple of level 2 EVSEs is probably negligible compared to the overall electrical consumption of the hotel (or even the construction cost of the hotel itself).
@@carholic-sz3qv The real savings for EV's is home charging. The real benefit to road tripping for me is the use of AP/FSD. Having the car drive us 96% of the time is the game changer. We used to have a Prius and it got in the high 40's on trips. But that car killed me on long trips. The same trips in the the Tesla are a breeze.
Love your videos Duke. Any idea when Rivian is going to open up their chargers to non Rivians ? There is one in a perfect location for one of our regular trips.
So when people stop to fuel they fill the tank full. Not one time did you fill the charge to full and waiting 30 mins to charge and not even get a full charge. What waste of time. if you had to charge to get to work you will be late every time. Many charging stations were not even working
@@4jrbirdman That is exactly way I prefer road tripping in my Rivian vs my Mazda CX-9. It's so much more relaxing and the road trips are enjoyable instead of being a task that must be completed. How much is joy and relaxation worth. Based on our choice to road trip exclusively in our EV over the Mazda should tell you everything you need to know unless you can get past ideology which is understandable I guess
@@4jrbirdman EV wins in both time and safety. If you could fuel ⛽️ your car at home would you go to the gas station? Which would be more time consuming?
EV's should have a generator that can at least allow to extend the range on highway for those emergencies where there's no chargers for certain distance. Better than to deal with the hassle of getting stranded out of nowhere. Tesla owners act with entitlement which is another reason I would not buy a Tesla if I had the choice, they act like they are in a cult. I would rather buy an Asian brand or Rivian. But even if the charging system improved, I don't think I would be getting an EV. I know, some says you get used to it. But I say, no thank you. Auto maker should make it same or better than ICE or ICE-Hybrids. I can also see it would be very frustrating for older folks.
You just described a plug in hybrid vehicle. I owned one for 12 years, and I only had to go to a gas station about 4 times a year. However, there are a lot of charging stations going in everyday, so I no longer have a need for a plug In hybrid. I have taken many road trips in my EV, and charging has not been a problem and it gets better everyday. Thanks for commenting!
I did a rough comparison with my fairly inefficient VW Vanagon, which gets around 17 miles per gallon. Doing the same 1500 miles, I figure it costs in the mid $350 range for premium fuel. In California probably more, in other states, probably less. But as mentioned by others below, time is a major factor for us, and our stops are closer to 5 - 10 minutes. The Rivian looks fantastic and modern, my VW is old school charm with far fewer comforts. In my case, convenience wins out, over actual dollar amounts. Thanks for the video.
It cost me more and I had to make more stops compared to the same trip that was taking in a ICE vehicle. Course a Chevrolet Bolt EUV isn't really an idea road trip vehicle.
I have a Tesla but I have no problems with other EVs using the superchargers. I also use PlugShare and ABRP apps as alternatives. Never had an issue with charging!
Thanks for your video! Thanks for being upfront and showing things I live real close to Bloomington Il where your truck was made they have helped this area out a lot. I am retired and was in the automotive industry all my working life, I think if you like a total electric vehicle that’s great but might be my age but I am a fan of the hybrid vehicles I like the idea of a back up plan if things don’t go as planed 😂. I have been looking at a Ford Maverick to just beat around in and would go with a Hybrid but I am a GM guy and that is a big step! Thanks for your sister in laws service. Great video!
Thanks for the video. I wish you had broken down the number of times you had to stop, how long each stop took, as compared to if you had driven that Ram.
@thedukeofmiddleville That doesn't seem possible as MOST similar vehicles, that run on gas or diesel, go a lot farther between stops and probably only take 10-ish minutes to fill up and get back on the road, (including a restroom stop).
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I also answer some of your comments.
I would like to know……if the charge is free. Who the hell is paying for it. The power companies are not just giving free power away
@@corkisandberg6561 Businesses like Walmart, Target and hotels offer free charging to get EV users to come to their stores to shop or stay at their hotels. It's good for their businesses.
I'm older, perhaps set in my ways. I honestly have no clue why you would go through all this trouble for an EV. No clue.
Because they're saving the environment. Rolls eyes. It's for the future and our children's future. And our children's children's future. They are SO selfless.
No, you just have your head on straight. Simple logic! I share your view as well.
He said he was going into Walmart to use the bathroom. Nobody needs to know that.
I'd have no problem having one for city use only, shopping and such, but I work construction and I need my F-250. I did see a video the other day of an all electric motocross bike and the torque is supposed to almost pull your arms out of socket! That would be fun!
If the vast majority of your driving is
Time is money!! Who wants to sit 30 -45 minutes to charge up, need an app, cross your fingers that the chargers work etc etc
@@thepenitentcop1033 Still charging an EV at a charging station is way better than going to the gas station. And time is money only if that time would be spent making money. Road trips happen once a year maybe, and most EV owners like the charging stops. I charge at home 99% of the time which is like charging a cell phone. Is it easier to charge your cellphone or fill your car with gas at the gas station? Which is more time consuming?
@@thedukeofmiddleville You're moving the goal posts. Regardless of the other virtues of an EV it's apparent that using one for a road trip is a pain in the ass.
I have an EV9, never stop for more than 25 minutes on road trips, usually less. When road tripping with a family, you spend that long just getting everyone to the bathroom and snacks. It's really not that big a deal
@@ChicagoHornLoudspeakerGuys Its a pain only for those that don't own EVs 99% of the time.
THIS IS RIDICULOUS! Stopping, charging, waiting!!! Don’t forget looking 👀 for charging stations…My anxiety, math skills and patience would take me out…🤦🏽♀️
I could never drive this way. When I’m traveling, I couldn’t handle stopping for 25-30 minutes every 200 miles.
It is good that you are not brainwashed like some are. Some love the KOOL-AID.
Our hybrid gets over 50mpg and costs us about 21-22 dollars per fill up. This is our second one to own.
@@TT-it2icread what he said carefully…
@@TT-it2ic 200 miles of travel and then 25-30 to recharge.
@@DonJoesph, which hybrid do you own?
Can you imagine if all cars were electric. A gasoline station with 6 pumps can fuel 72 cars per hour. You would need 60 chargers for those same 72 electric vehicles. Seems like an excersize in discouraging people from travelling.
You'd only need about 18, if they were superchargers. Most newer EV's can charge pretty rapidly to 80%, the remaining 20% takes longer to protect the battery. Also, EV's typically don't charge to 100%, but rather to a battery level necessary to get to the next stopping point. If it helps, think of it as similar to the ICE hypermiler's fueling strategy: take only the fuel you need to get to your destination/next stopping point (in their case to avoid excess weight).
That's if no one could charge at home. 60% of people will be able to charge at home and will not need to go to a public charger except in rare instance of a road trip. Gas cars have to go to the gas station, plus there will be charges at grocery stores, malls, work etc...
That's the whole idea make travel so expensive only the rich can afford it.
@@tired7140 And $3.00/gal average is economical? Travel is already expensive, EVs have nothing to do with it.
Clearly a supplement to traveling..
Not a preferred way…
I mean.. public transport is another…
I don't have an EV but enjoyed watching your video. I'm still driving my 20 year old sedan. Thanks.
I'm happy I can help you get a better idea of what it is like to road trip in an EV.
I can fill up my truck in two minutes and drive 600 miles
ya exactly !
I fill up my 2020 Camry Hybird and go 670 miles on 13 gallons......
@ my truck weighs a lot more than your Camry Hybrid
My semi electric Camry will leave your truck in the dust from a standing start…….
My Mazda goes 23244 miles on 2 gallons of gas😂😂
You may have spent less money on the electricity, however, waiting 30-40 minutes with every charge added several hours to the trip. I drive to and from my son’s place 4X/yr. He lives just north of Fort Worth. Including the driving around once I’m there, plus the highway drive, I will add 1000 to my odometer. My tank is full when I leave, fill up in OK, fill up before leaving his place, fill up in OK on my way home, and will fill up a few days after I return home. Gas for the trip runs me about $160 and I use mid grade gas. I seldom spend more than 15-20 mins at each filling station. This baby boomer isn’t sold on an electric car.
After watching I'll keep my fossil fueled Tacoma I love my truck. Nice video letting me know why I'll never own a EV.
1200 miles with the wife and two children in an EV?!
Dude, you are a brave man.
I will never buy an EV for long distance travel.
I am glad someone gave an unbiased view on EV! Thank you.
My thoughts > Driving a EV like the Rivian is still not affordable. It’s for rich people or folks that want to think they’re saving money. That thing costs $71k brand new. I’ll just keep driving my paid for 15yr old SUV, because it would take me 20+ years to spend $70k on gasoline.
For me it's not about saving money, that's a component, but it's the overall ownership experience that includes the ability to produce your own energy to fuel and the superior driving dynamics. It's still puts a smile on my face everyday.
@@thedukeofmiddleville Agree. Non EV owners can't relate until they spend a day in one. I've countelss freinds and co workers, especailly those that travel with me for 1-3 days to customers, that instantly start looking into buying or leasing one.
@@thedukeofmiddleville I have a Tacoma that I love but also really like the Rivian. Its a beautiful vehicle. I hope you enjoy it for many years.
Apples and oranges. The Rivian is in no way less of a luxury vehicle than a $75k ICE SUV or pickup, and it is not in the same universe as an antique 15 year old SUV - at that age a beater. I mean I drive a 15 year old Tundra V8 I bought new which has been flawless with ultra low miles but it is like driving a Model T compared to a Rivian - Tundra is an ancient outdated terrible thing to drive in comparison.
Yes. It's not for you. I'm not rich. But have you seen what cars cost since 15 years agos when you bought your last car?
At the 20:00 mark, the 'clean' energy station you are using is powered by a diesel generator behind the grey wall. I don't understand how people still think this is a viable solution. All this does is change what burns the fuel.
Great video overall, glad you are making them.
Thank you for being so honest in the video. You’re a good dude.
Thanks! I try to be as honest and transparent as possible.
Good DUDE
Bad Dude
Whats the different
If he was white what would he be
Just asking
I see through the innuendo remark
Education is key
Reality check... There are hotels and other businesses that offer "free charging" to their customers.
BUT rest assured it is NOT free.
The cost of installing and maintaining the chargers and the cost of the electricity is factored into the price of the service or product they are selling you.
I'd rather hear one person like this guy tell the truth rather than fifty people lie about it.
"Charged at the Air B&B for free." Someone paid for it. Every time you get a "Free charge", someone has to pay for it. I travel from KY to MD 760 miles 2-3 times a year in a 2017 4 door F150 4x4 V8. Takes 1 stop for gas at 15 mins and that time includes getting a bite to eat, bathroom break etc. Takes approximately $85.00 to fill up and I make the trip in less than 11 hours.
I suspect that trip would take you a full 24 hours with 30 min charging stops every 80 or so miles, do I care if your truck has 700 hp and mine has 385 hp? I do not. Bet I can get just as big of a ticket as you can if I wanted to lol. I agree electric cars/trucks have a roll, but over the road traveling is not one of them. It's not as economical (ie you'd have hotel costs in your trip to MD plus the cost of charging at least 10 times) and from the few charging stations around here, most of the time they are out of service. In about another 25-30 years when battery technology is 200% better, and it will get there THEN EV's will be the way to go, but we just aren't there yet my friend.
And look, I speak from some experience. My father bought one of those EV Lighting Ford trucks when they came out a few years ago. He is retired and fishes on his 24 foot boat he trailers. He launches the boat in various rivers and points in the Chesapeake bay. Day 1 of him towing that boat 40 miles to where he set off on a full charge he couldn't even make it back home without sitting 45 mins in a charging station with a boat... imagine pulling a boat and trying to park in a tiny charging station parking spot... yeah... 4 months later he traded it off on a Toyota V8 truck and has never complained once since about having to put gas in his truck every now and then.
Charged at the Air B&B at no extra cost to me-someone may indirectly cover that, but it’s nice not having to worry about the expense every single time I need to top up. When I travel regularly, my electric vehicle makes things simple and cost-effective. Sure, a traditional truck might get you from Kentucky to Maryland in about 11 hours with just one gas stop, but that still involves burning expensive fuel and relying on outdated technology.
With an electric vehicle, short charging stops-perhaps every few hundred miles-aren’t a burden. They offer a chance to take a break, stretch your legs, or grab a bite to eat while your vehicle effortlessly recharges. Even today, many charging stations are reliable and conveniently located, and as infrastructure improves, these brief stops only become more efficient and commonplace. Over time, battery technology will continue to advance far beyond what’s available now, making EVs even more impressive in range and speed of charging. The future is undeniably electric, and we’re already seeing that progress in leaps and bounds.
My father’s experience illustrates how early adopters simply lived through a transitional phase. Initially, towing a large boat did highlight some of the growing pains with available charging infrastructure and battery capacity. But this is just the beginning. As we steadily move toward better chargers, more stations, and far longer ranges, the rare inconveniences of today will fade, leaving behind the undeniable benefits of clean, quiet, and cost-efficient electric travel.
In just a few years, as battery tech improves and charging becomes as fast and ubiquitous as gas pumps, the arguments against electric vehicles will fall away. There’s no doubt that EVs will dominate not only local errands but also the most demanding road trips before long. It’s worth embracing that future today.
@SHORTBUSINSANITY I can agree EVs are the future. But with the current technology we have in batteries, it isn't now, at least for long trips, towing or in industry. They fit the roll of short commutes to and from work, but I'd say thats about it for now.
Also want to ask a question. Lets say in 20 years the battery tech is finally there and now everyone is buying EVs, right? Do you honestly believe the costs of electricity to charge those EVs isn't going to be as high, if not higher than a tank of gasoline?
I work in the electrical industry, and I promise you as soon as more people are buying EVs and government regulations say no more gas powered cars, the cost per KWH of electric is going to sky rocket which translates to everyone, not just those with EVs.
The EV end game is that everyone relies on public transportation, thats where this rabbit hole ends.
@@SHORTBUSINSANITY Do you throw away everything of yours with "outdated technology"? Have you tossed our your microwave oven, stove top, vacume cleaner, washing machine, dryer, hair dryer, etc...? These are all decades old, thus "outdated" technology in your daily life. So what's so "outdated" about my gas powered car?
@@lastfm4477 None of that is outdated tech.
And don't forget replacing those tires every 30,000 to 40,000 miles as opposed to gas vehicles average is 55,000 to 85,000. And what are tires made from? Petroleum!
One thing I've never seen mentioned is you can carry a can of gas along in case you run out in a remote area but you can't carry spare electricity with you. Run out of juice and you're stuck.
You're not only stuck, you're screwed.
You can carry a solar generator.
True, but any place that has electricity and a 110 outlet is a charging station. However, you can charge an EV with an EcoFlow Battery and solar panels, and this is renewable energy unlike gas since once you burn it its gone. The battery and solar panel can be used repeatedly for years.
@@glennwest4438 yea, charge your battery to 1% after 2 hours... and if its night time.. your still screwed
When I was visiting Norway, I learned about the perks of going EV. Lots of incentives to purchase, park, and drive to encourage adoption of the EV technology, but now I understand that many of the perks are going away and its back to business as usual now that the government has got the citizens hooked on EV's. In California, the politicians are creating legislation to charge people who have EVs for miles driven because the gas tax revenue is starting to trend downward. I wouldn't expect those free charges to continue much longer. Oh, and charging at home in California, who not only has the highest cost gas prices, but also the highest cost electric charges, PG&E especially.
When EV owners actually pay 100% the cost, there will be a lot of unhappy EV owners.
@@bkon4675 Yes, and once the gov starts charging per mile driven to help pay for the roads that they are now using for free, they won't be so happy with their EVs.
Definitely won't be free in a couple of years
And unless I'm mistaken, EV's are heavier than their equivalently sized gas/diesel counterparts. The result being more wear and tear on the highway. It will only be a few years before the charging stations start collecting mileage information from one's vehicle and Uncle Sam starts taxing at the "pump".
@@MrROFloyd they are a good bit heavier. I don't think EVs will ever take over. EVs are a luxury. Most people don't have the money to spend on one and buying a used one is a crap shoot. If you buy a used EV and then 2 or 3 years later the batteries die, that's going to be 10 plus thousand to change them. They might have only spent 5k to 10k to buy the car. Most won't have the money to do that. The used car market would crumble. My truck is 10 years old and has 72k miles. Someone could buy it and easily drive it another 15 plus years with relatively low maintenance. You can't do that with an EV. The batteries will go bad regardless of the miles and are extremely expensive to replace. None of this even takes into account the strain on our electric grid it would cause if everybody switched to EVs. I think California already tells people when they can and can't charge their EV and only a fraction of the population there even drives EVs.
40 minutes here, and 40 minutes there, add up to a lot of charging time.
Still way less time than having to be stuck with going to the gas station multiple times a month. I owned gas cars for almost 40 years and EVs for 13 and gas is a big waste of time and money if you can charge at home, work, while shopping, eating, sleeping.....
@@thedukeofmiddleville it only makes sense with the charging at night while sleep
Like you do your phone.. we dont stop using nothing else while it charges but we have to leave our cars
I dont see the benefit in that, electric takes i have to go now out of things….
Everyone’s going to be moving like robots, no urgency. Before anything you have to make sure all devices are charged… that’s wack
@@softwarephil1709 A lot of charging time for whom? Because it took more time to eat, change the baby's diaper, use the bathroom, and shop than it did to charge. I also charged way longer than I needed because the charges were free. That is why I didn't bother adding the time up.
I charge at home 99% of the time at a fraction of the cost of gas. How much time and money are you wasting at the gas station ⛽️ where they can charge you whatever and you have no other option but to pay.
I don't care what you choose to drive. I also have a gas car. So, I find it interesting that people the have no experience owning an EV seem to think they know the most
You do seem to care otherwise you wouldn’t have wasted your time writing a three paragraph response to someone who opposes your views
@@thedukeofmiddleville this is all just like most other things catered to ones preference even if it makes more sense than gas
Its ALL PREFERENCE. I’d drive an electric car… but i honestly don’t want to charge my car.. especially if i dont own a home and can charge it at home, it doesnt make sense to me. Gas stations are everywhere and takes MINUTES literally minutes to go from E-F and be back on road
It's so much simpler to pull into a gas station, fill up, get whatever you want and be gone in 10 or 15 minutes even with toilet breaks. Gas stations are everywhere
It's even easier to wake up to a fueled (charged) car in the morning. Also easier to do without timing belt, transmission fluid, and oil changes. I know I know....... it won't work for you, because you drive 900 miles each and every day of the week.
mm with the Tesla it is definitely a little easier than with a gas vehicle. The car designs the whole trip, guides us right to the charger, and we just plug in. No faffing with credit cards. On multi day road trips it saved us about $20 per day vs driving my gas Subaru. Back home we never have to go to a charger at all, the car is always full and the cost per mile for energy is 1/10 the price compared to my Subaru. Superchargers are everywhere.
Add 10 minutes to that and that is how long it takes to charge at a Tesla Supercharger. You have to own an EV to really understand. I stop every 150 to 200 miles to charge for less than 30 minutes while I hit the head and buy a snack. And I pay $20 for every $100 you pay for gasoline. I've had my Tesla MYP for 2.5 years. During that time I have driven 45k miles. It has cost me 2 tires, one cabin filter, and refill the windshield wiper fluid reservoir.
So wait a minute. Before the introduction of high-tech into the automotive field, meaning before cell phones, before GPS., You didn’t know how to use a map? You couldn’t take directions? These days, with all of these.EVs interconnected, you will always have the capability of finding an EV charging station. The networks are growing constantly. In fact, the most impressive thing about this video is that here’s this guy, driving through heavy, red state Tennessee, one where the notion of climate change is probably universally rejected, where they ostensibly should not care a bit about electric vehicles, this guy was able to find plenty of EV stations to charge his car. Those stations were empty and available for him to use, and they were easy to find. I didn’t hear a peep out of him saying he couldn’t find a charging station. I’m sorry, but that’s a victory for EVs. It shows how penetrated that market is. So they’re here to stay. Get used to it.
The only difference now between ICE cars and electric cars as far as fueling goes is that you need to start looking for a fueling station with a few more miles stored up in your car than before. Sure you might have waited until the needle was below. E before you started looking for a gas station. That was probably in your city where you knew where all of the gas stations were. Now, with an EV, you need to start looking for a charging station with perhaps 50 miles left on your battery., 100 maybe if your in unfamiliar territory. That’s all. If you start looking, you’ll find one.
@@Charlesbjtown - The strange thing about those people driving 900 miles each and every day is that they also somehow have time to watch and comment on every video about EVs on RUclips. Perhaps they are watching those videos and posting comments while doing all that driving?
Wait till they figure out a way to charge EV's a highway tax like everyone else pays!
they have.. my state adds $200 to the car tags you have to buy each year if its an EV...
@williamhaynes7089 some states are also talking about a per mile tax. Government Loves new ways to tax.
As they should. These vehicles often weigh twice as much as ICE vehicles, which damages the roads/highways twice as fast. This industry could not survive without government subsidies to the producers and consumers. Without the subsidies, the vehicles cost 50% more and the charging/maintenance/taxes/registration costs are double.
@@joehannah1343In Victoria, Australia they briefly had a per/km fee added to an EV cars registration bill. It was challenged in Court and found to be unconstitutional as states can not charge for consumption? Some ancient law.
Time is money too. Great episode to get a feel for life with an electric. That time issue is a major hold back for me.
If you want to know the reality of EV road tripping from a average American family check out this video it might shock you: ruclips.net/video/SvxJP5FXFIU/видео.html
Thanks for watching!
Yes time is money…if it cost $100 to fill with gas and $30 to charge… net saving of $70 you just paid yourself $70. Remember it takes time to make that $70. Time is money!
@@craigtjen9130remember that Rivian is about 115k a nice for explorer is about 60k
I would not want an EV if you gave it to me. Destination anxiety would make a trip not worth the worry. I want to pull in & Gas up & be gone in 10 minutes, not 2 hours. Plus when a newer better Battery comes out your old style EV won't be worth anything. To me it's a really bad investment.
Look at how much money these manufacturers are losing with each ev, then passing that cost onto us
I'm so glad you posted this. Nothing personal, but the inconvenience vs the pice point it's not worth it for me. What you save in fuel your paying more for insurance and tires forget the cost, of that luxury truck.
Nothing is more inconvenient than being forced to go to the gas station and pay whatever price the global market demands for oil with no other options. I charge at home 99% of the time which is no different from charging my cell phone at half the cost of gas. I own a gas car too, as I have for over 30 years, and their is no comparison. This is typewriter vs PC, and your insurance claim is false along with the tire claim. I have owned and EV for 13 years along with ICE, so I have a lot of actual experience and not stuff I heard in the fake news or some click bait video.
@@thedukeofmiddlevilleRemove all the ev promotional bs, like subsidies and "free" power deals means it's WAY more difficult to own an EV. It's for rich people to waste time. Sit and wait. Wow!
@dousiastailfeather9454 Remove the billions of tax subsidies for oil, gas, and ethanol and you will be paying $12.75 per gallon for gas. I say Remove all subsidies and let the free market decide. FYI, the majority of EVs do NOT qualify for the EV tax credit for purchase.
@@thedukeofmiddlevillewhy do they charge you to charge at home? Shouldn’t it just add to your electricity bill instead of some company adding fees. It akin to cellular phone companies charging for data
@@MalcolmLittle-pw9dzummm…it is just “adding to your electricity bill”. I think you’ve missed something, somewhere.
The other thing that most people don't mention is, what happens when you have several hundred cars wanting to charge at the same time? Go to a Buccee's and count the number of gas vehicles fueling in an hour. Can you imagine waiting for several hours for your turn at a charging station?
Like during a hurricane evacuation!
EVs can charge at home. Gas Cars have to fill up at the gas station. When there are more EVs than gas cars they will build more charging stations.
@@kathyyoung1774That's the magic of being able to charge your EV at home before the hurricane hits, and you can avoid those long gas station lines.
@@thedukeofmiddleville thats only if your home has a garage... BIG cities you live in a high rise building, apartment etc.. not good for ev ownership
I could be wrong here but it cost you $193 to drive 1500 miles. If I drove that same distance with a Gas car getting 22 MPG I would use 68 gallons, at $3.30/gallon it would have cost me $225.00. I personally think the Hybrids are still the way to go instead of full electric.
Hybrids are great for round town and a great overall solution. They don’t really provide much benefit on long roadtrips on the interstate, though.
our gas on the west coast is 3.50 plus..
Where does gas cost $2/30/ gallon?
@@DonaldMains Gas in phoenix is about 3.05 a gallon and were on west coast , estimate holds
Absolutely agree. Hybrisa are the way to go.
I will never own an EV. I have 2 pickups, a van, 2 cars, 3 ATV’s a boat and Motorcycle, all gas. I’m good.
Which is why we have environmental issues related to emissions... Gas hobbies and car. It's that remove cats for a few extra ponies.
@ what environmental issues do we have now that the planet has never experienced before?
@@_DB.COOPER Hav u forgotten LA's smog problem?
@@user-sx9hq7qwert there was more smog on the planet at one time before humans arrived, have you forgot about that?
@@_DB.COOPER Whataboutism moving into gaslighting territory. It becomes more n more apparent what u r. U r showing it w/ every word...
EVs are great for daily drivers back and forth to work, running errands....but taking on a road trip...just a big pain in ass,
Its only a pain to non-EV owners and EV haters. EV owners like me prefer road tripping in an EV over ICE. I've done way more road trips in gas cars than EVs and EV road tripping is the best
@@thedukeofmiddleville Well said. Having taken many longer trips in our Model 3, including camping and hotel stays, stopping every 200+ miles is refrehing and not a burden at all.
thats why you should have a choice on what to buy. NOT be forced to buy these....when they get good enough more people will buy them....strange thinking i know....
@@peartfaldo How are people being forced to buy EV's? That is a false narrative.
@@thedukeofmiddleville If it was up to THEM(and you know who i mean) we would all be in electric. Look at CA. If Trump was pushing them...they would be the worst thing in the world and it would be because he was in bed with the battery company's.
These charge stations should really have a canopy for rain or sun protection.
They should have a gas pump so they're actually useful.
I don’t own an EV (I own a hybrid), but you would really think they would cover those chargers so you don’t have to plug in, in the rain.
Thats what I plan to do when I open one up in the trailer park
I appreciate your open and honest look at an EV road trip. Thank you.
Glad you found it helpful.
I still love my 42 year old diesel with 600 mile range. I usually just stop for potty breaks and coffee. I have no anxiety, a true plus is that it drives on cooking oil in a pinch with no modification and I always keep an expired bottle of olive oil in the trunk in case power goes out in storms. A truly remarkable 1983 Mercedes 300CD.
4 or 5 bucks quart for cooking oil would be 8-10 bucks a gallon not a good deal
@danbailey96 it's expired, I have 3 gallons in the trunk. When pumps aren't working I will make it another 100 miles. Great deal to me. I got it free from a grocer that was throwing it away. GREAT DEAL.
@danbailey96 another great deal... buy XRP
@@truthsocrypto612 that makes sense then
I met a guy road tripping as couple of weeks ago, we were both charging at my local Chevrolet dealership that has a free fast charger. I just wanted to try it out so let him go first, and we chatted for 20 minutes while he charged.
Always worth checking if there's a free charger on your route, at least for now.
I picked the hotel because they had free charges, and this is how I will choose my hotels from now on.
Thanks for sharing that information on free chargers.
@@thedukeofmiddleville Car dealerships need to charge their vehicle pre-sale and not have to faff about, so they seem a good bet for a free fill up.
"At least for now" being the most important point. These perks will absolutely go away in the future.
@@thedukeofmiddleville It's not "free". Your, and everyone else's, room charges have been increased to pay for it. This is the most "stick your head in the sand" comment you've made on this video.
There is no such thing as free chargers or changing. Someone is paying for it in that state via higher taxes keep that in mind.
There are 3 hidden costs you're ignoring:
1) New Vehicle Cost. That's a HUGE investment up front.
2) Time Cost. How much time did u spend at each charging stop? If u could have charged at the hotel or some other planned extended stop, don't count it. It's the waiting to move on that gets annoying.
3) Range Anxiety Cost. I know that there are gas stations everywhere that can refill me in 15 minutes. I can run for days, almost a week on a single $60 tank of fuel. I check the gauge & make the decision once whether I need to fuel today or not. After that, I just "sit back & enjoy the ride". Buddy w a Tesla stresses DAILY about his battery & range. His state of charge is constantly on his mind. Even parked in a lot while he's shopping, it can drop 10% because of all the energy consuming features.
I appreciate the time and effort you put into gathering and presenting the info.
Your road trip is proof never to buy an EV your free charging session's will end when enough people have bought into this garbage and you left out the amount of time wasted sitting at the charging station and don't give this crap that you got something to eat you were trapped into what ever restaurant was within walking distance
You should be happy that people are buying EVs. It will help keep your gas prices down.
@@jimprice1959That doesn’t sound right. If less people are buying gas, the oil & gas industry are going to raise the price in order to make up for lost revenue. Additionally, you know about the gas tax so the government will also be interested in making up for lost taxes. Don’t believe the supply and demand lie, it’s all about the cheese.
@@debtfreefearless I guess you can make your truth whatever you want. According to the president of the California Gasoline Retailers association the price of gas at the pump depends on the number of gas stations in the area. I do believe "supply and demand." My 84 years of experience has shown it to be true.
@@jimprice1959 There’s no need for us to argue, but if you’re believing what the association of california gasoline RETAILERS is telling you…we’ll just have to see what happens. 😂😂
@@jimprice1959 Incase you didn't understand @debtfreefearless comment - its about "Who moved the cheese". Websearch the term if you're not familar.
RUclips pushed your channel to me. Very interesting. Many stops were free, but we all know “nothing is free.” I wonder who pays 😊
I love my Chrysler Pacifica and will always have one, but your ev adventures are fun.
Volkswagen Group pays since they own Electrify America chargers. VW EV owner get free charging, so did Tesla owners, and I get free charging at Rivian chargers.
@@thedukeofmiddlevilleit's not free
I have a 2015 Nissan Rogue; my best millage to date is 42.5 miles per gallon on the open highway, the tank holds 14.5 gallons of gasoline; so I can spend 5 minutes filling my tank at any gas station along any highway and travel 550 carefree miles without worrying about my batteries dyeing and getting stranded. Why the HELL would I ever trade my fuel efficient gasoline powered SUV for a lame electric vehicle.. P.S. - - - - I do have an 80V Kobalt battery powered lawn mower, and I love it.!.😉 Also - - - - - *I did hit the like button*
Can your Nissan Rogue do 0-60 in 3 seconds? I will stick with the lame 835 hp Rivian that cost me half as much to drive as the 42.5 mpg Nissan on a daily bases.
Check out this video to see how cheap it is to commute in one of the most powerful SUVs: ruclips.net/video/qHChx-F0szs/видео.html
@@thedukeofmiddlevillein texas that would be called exhibtion of speed by law enforcement.
He doesn't worry about the cost of tickets or increased insurance ect.@svjones2911
@@thedukeofmiddleville 99 percent of the driving public dont need or wish their vehicle to do 0-60 in 3 seconds. That's more to fulfill your race car fantasies I suspect. lol
My wife's mother passed away and left her a 2011 priest. 49 miles per gallon, in or out of town. I was very surprised.
I'm not anti-EV. I have been thinking about it for some time now. Your video helped remind me why it's not right for me, personally. I live in the Chicago land area and everything would be fine travelling around the suburbs. The problem becomes when I want to travel to our home in the UP of Michigan. We found one stop around the middle of the trip. Stopping too early would be a waste and still would not get us the remaining miles to the home. The stop in the middle of our trip is not on the highway, so it means having to drive 2 miles in to town. That doesn't sound like a long way, but it has a lot of traffic lights. EV is good for some, and not so good for many people living in the colder areas. Its similar to solar power. Great for some, but not ready for the entire masses. Thanks for the video!
ruclips.net/video/akgKmdvRMxk/видео.htmlsi=4yTXLPa9mDstpJA9
Don't forget what happened when the temps in Chicago were below zero.
Having driven EV's, I think the major difference is you have peace of mind w/ an ICE car. Regardless of the cost differential (which isn't crazy different), I don't really worry about having to fill up w/ gas anywhere, and I know it'll take at most ~90seconds and I'm out. With EV's, there's always a struggle to guess what your charge rate will be, if it'll work, if there's a free stall, and if the charging station is convenient. I prefer EV's for the daily commute (ability to charge at home), but I'm not sold on the road tripping yet based on my experience.
Nice video. I'm 77 and intrigued. I've read many of the comments by people griping they could never wait 25-30 minutes to fill up. Of course, around town you would charge at home and never have to fill up at all. As far as long trips, we NEED about 25 to 30 minutes as a stop to take care of things. My wife has Parkinson's so we're lucky to not have to stop every 2 hours anyway, get the wheel chair out, etc. When we were younger and took the 7 kids on a trip having to take 20-30 minutes would have been a blessing, so I think these things sound quite reasonable.
I’m glad you found the video informative!
This is why I have a plug-in hybrid - AND solar panels on my house to charge it. I hear so many stories about chargers being broken/out of service. I do not ever want to get stranded somewhere running out of power.
If you want to know the reality of charging an EV while road tripping from a average American family check out this video it might shock you: ruclips.net/video/SvxJP5FXFIU/видео.html
Thanks for sharing!
And what did it cost to have all charging station and solar panels intalled $$$???
@rickcalkins1215 I installed it myself. I cover the cost in another video.
@@rickcalkins1215 Solar panels came with the house (builder installed), and my car doesn't need a special charging station. It charges from a regular outlet using the cord that came with the vehicle.
$87 for every 250 miles. That’s the average cost to charge at a public charging station. $87 will get you more than 1000 miles in an average gas powered car.
My 2003 Toyota still gets 38mpg, and the new battery I bought was cheap.
That's not correct. Those number are made up.
Look even if the electricity was cheap for the speed chargers, like $40 for 250 miles my main issue is all the extra time it takes for the trip. I've made some long road trips from MN to CO, and MN to TX. If you're going 1000+ miles you're looking at adding literally several hours to your trip with an EV. NOT WORTH IT. If I was an EV owner I would probably just fly instead of drive..which would suck because I hate flying and love road tripping.
4:08 FYI as a Model Y and $TSLA owner, I want to say, there are many of us who are happy to have non-Teslas charging at superchargers, especially with what I have heard about the reliability of Electrify America charges and some others. Personally, I would rather have a Tesla than anything else, but to each his own, and there is no doubt that the R1S and R1T are great vehicles.
I prefer to see non-teslas at the Superchargers. I always feel like I'm one of those pretentious Tesla drivers showing up to a cult meeting.
Agreed. I take lots of 500 to 800 mile road trips and have never had any issues.
Also a Tesla owner and $TSLA shareholder. I too welcome other cars. For our upcoming December 250 mile trip we plan to take our Bolt and test charge on the SuC network.
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On my recent road trip, I stopped at a Tesla Supercharger and had to take up 2 spots with my Rivian. Then another Rivian showed up and he had to take 2 spots. Eventually the station filled up and there were Teslas waiting in line to charge. I felt bad taking up an extra spot. Eventually, those teslas got in and 2 of the driver's talked to me and said they totally understood and didn't mind and all. They even complimented and started asking questions about my truck! 👍
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. Does seem like a lot of time to spend in parking lots. Being a single senior I don’t think for me. I do know people that use only in the city and happy with their electric vehicles.
You did a great job on video, I’m sure now know I don’t want one of those cars. I’m just too old to try to figure out all that you did. I just want something simple.
Thanks for your honest opinion on your experience with this video. It solidity’s my decision to go gas or hybrid.
If I surprised my wife with an extra trip, added to the end of another trip, I would be in big trouble. You have married an angel.
Its good to be The Duke.
Nice job with the review and video. I appreciate the effort to share this side of the story when driving an electric vehicle. I do not own one and have not considered one up to this point but you provided a different mindset to driving and planning ahead to where and when you will stop to recharge vs. drive and tons of gas stations everywhere. Good point on the comparison of vehicles too! High HP, luxury model at a very affordable price to operate.
I'm happy to open some minds to the reality of EV ownership and travel.
Thanks for commenting!
I don't know about Missouri, but many states are starting to add an electric vehicle tax when renewing your license plates. This tax is to cover the road usage and upkeep of the roads. This tax is equivalent to the amount that gas vehicles pay in taxes every time they pay to fill up at the pump. This must be kept in mind when comparing gas to electric vehicle costs per mile.
@@brettdrought6181 They’re going to make up the difference in lost revenue some type of way. Eventually, all states will do the same.
@@debtfreefearless I think so too.
Here's the reality check a lot of people ignore...
There are hotels and other businesses that offer "free charging" to their customers.
BUT rest assured it is NOT free.
The cost of installing and maintaining the chargers and the cost of the electricity is factored into the price of the service or product they are selling you.
I have been paying road tax for years for my EVs which is true for most states
@@1982nsu and thats assuming that they have a open charger.. 2 chargers for 200 rooms wont work if everyone has an EV
Just took a 700 mile trip with Ford E transit van pulling 20 foot trailer halfway on this trip. The van was pulling the trailer then coming back home F150 lighting pulling the trailer with the van loaded on the trailer. I have a lot of fun and education of course, doing these trips, two points which others make as well since most of the charging I do is at home. I’m happy to pay more on longer trips when they’re they are so rare…. number two because I pay out for about eight vehicles maintenance and repairs $80,000 per year my vehicles being diesel, putting a little more into charging up once in a while ,,,, but having practically no maintenance that still a great deal!!!!!!
Just don't forget that new battery you'll need in a few years time. You won't be saving much if any $$$$$ then. Unless there's EV's that can go 300k-500k miles on a single battery.
@@DJAJ101 Why, yes. Yes there are. In fact, there's a Tesla Model S that went over a million miles on 3 different batteries. That, of course, was an older model. The new batteries are probably going to up to roughly half a million miles. All you have to do is google it.
How in the world are you spending $10,000 a YEAR per vehicle just on maintenance and repairs!? Are these demolition derby cars? There is NO way maintenance and repairs on 8 vehicles costs $80k a year
@@beez7753 maybe he gets a full hand detail and wash on each one every week.
@@DJAJ101 teslas do no problem
The bumper seems a stupid place to put the plug-in. That is a vulnerable part of a car. You bump into something…the outlet is damaged…and you can’t charge.
The same with a gas tank.
Great video. You're an excellent RUclipsr and gentleman, and likely a Super Dad as well. Thanks a bunch.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video.
I enjoyed the video, very informative.
I hope you were shocked! I was.
Yes you did pollute your area ,you pollute somewhere else,electricity isn't clean.
Check the facts. EVs are still cleaner even if the electricity comes from burning coal.
@@jimprice1959 So coal fired generating plants are clean energy...
Thanks for stating that FACT.
@@stans5270 Please reread my comment. Nowhere did I say that coal was clean energy. What I did say was that EVs are still cleaner than gasoline powered vehicles even when the energy comes from electricity produced by burning coal. Of course much electricity comes from burning natural gas which is cleaner and hydro, solar and wind which are even cleaner. Of course I'm speaking as a professional engineer-so what do I know compared to you.
The pollution is where the minerals are that were mined to make the battery. Countries in Africa suffer massive pollution on the mining end, and people in the U.S. and Europe get 0 emission vehicles. Wreck the environment in one place and get nice clean air in another...that's not saving the planet.
The pollution graph is telling. The ev has the same amount of pollution at manufacturing as a gas car has made at 100,000 miles.
So until the ev goes beyond 100,000 miles it has made more pollution .
How much time did you waste charging in comparison to a gas station fill up?
I can't imagine hunting charging stations every 200 miles and then hanging out 30-40 minutes while it charges. I fill up my Honda Si for 40 dollars, and go 350 miles, fill up, and get back on the road in 15 minutes, 5 if I want to. I guess this is okay if you have plenty of time. What I learned in this video is that you spend a lot of time shopping and eating on a road trip.
On most road trips, it's closer to 20-25 minutes tops. You don't charge past 80% which is where most EVs charge curces taper off significantly.
I enjoyed your trip. You have a good personality- there is a “but.” For me too much time at a charging station, my Ram and AT4 will both make the trip for about $230 . Big oil is making money hand over fist with oil and electricity. The “free” “Electrify America” chargers have so far cost a BILLION dollars each -that’s you and me. I am delighted you have two EVs and wish you well and a very Merry Christmas!
The charging stops are actually one of the big surprises for my family and me. They turned out to be one of the best parts of the trip, and they make the trip feel shorter.
Also, big oil is not making money on electric which is why they are lobbying hard to get EV incentives rolled back and they have contributed over $200 million this year to politicians to assist in that effort. EVs cut into big oils profits especially when more people realize they can install solar panels and create their own fuel and cut the pump like a lot of people have done with cable TV. This may also jeopardize the billions in tax subsides they receive annually which will have a negative impact on profits.
In addition, none of those charges I stopped at are NEVI funded charges, as they do not meet the requirements of 23 CFR Part 680, and Electrify America was essentially created as a form of punishment for Volkswagen, as it was established as part of a settlement with the US government following the "Dieselgate" emissions cheating scandal, where the company was required to invest heavily in electric vehicle charging infrastructure to offset its emissions violations; essentially acting as a penalty for its wrongdoing. I thought everyone knew this.
Thank you for commenting, and I wish you a merry Christmas as well!
Thanks for this information.
You're welcome! Hope it was shockingly good!
Love your content sir. Just wondering why you wouldn't (With the NACS adapter) go with just Tesla and RAN for your entire trip? I just did 259 kWh and with the $12.99 Tesla monthly fee, I still averaged $.455 / kw and most importantly, it worked 100% of the time.
No Tesla superchargers came up during the route planning. I was hopping to go to one during this trip. There was one about 5 miles form the hotel, but it was V2.
Thanks for sharing!
@@thedukeofmiddlevilleWhat if you set your charging preferences to only Tesla and Rivian networks? Even through the charging black hole that is I-77 in West Virginia, there's Tesla's available.
I only have been driving electric vehicles for about 12 years, but I really don’t find the cost to be particularly exorbitant. It’s kind of a package deal for me. I try to only charge at superchargers and I am conservative about how fully I charge so as to maintain the integrity of the battery pack. I have only purchased electric vehicles that have come with some sort of complementary charging for an extended period of time. Unfortunately, Tesla is extremely reliable with their charging network, but the others are no more than 85% reliable Nationwide. You are probably better off getting an adapter and subscribing to the Tesla charging system. Also, put a few solar panels on your house and charge from solar when you can. I am on my third Tesla. Also, the lower your charge when you pull into the facility, the faster it charges.
I only have to use public chargers once or twice a year, so a subscription would not be worth it for me. In addition, Rivians take up two charging spots, and I don't want to be that guy preventing other people for charging at a full supercharger. I'm in the Midwest and I have only seen a full EV charging station twice, and that only lasted five minutes, but most of the time its just one or two EVs charging and I like that.
Thanks for commenting!
Hard Pass on the fueling/charging sessions !! who’s got time for that ?
BINGO! That is why EVs represent only 6% of new car sales....and why 25% of those buyers sell the EV in the first year. They cite the EV is too inconvenient to own.
That is not true. According to Cox Automotive EV sales are now 10% of new car sales in the USA and growing, and 56% of new car sales in China which is the worlds largest auto market.
You have time for that since the average person make 30+ trips to the gas station each year, and the amount of time it take to get oil changes and other routine maintenance. I own gas and EV and the gas vehicle is by far the biggest time and money waster. Road trips account for less than 1% of travel. So, yes. a gas car will save time over an EV less that 1% of the time if you can charge at home or work.
@@thedukeofmiddleville HAHHAAAA! EV sales are NOT 10%!!!!!!!!!!! In fact, they have backslid to 5%-6%........No one cares about China bro......Unless you have been napping, USA is NOT China !!!!!!!!! Here in the USA, EV sales make up 5-6% of all new car sales. Which means 94% of buyers DO NOT want an EV. Unsold EVs are sitting on dealer lots.......resale values are terrible......recharge times are terrible......cold weather performance is terrible......mountain driving is terrible (battery range)........In a word....TERRIBLE !!!!!!!!
@@thedukeofmiddleville 95% of car buyers say the recharge times are unacceptable. End of story !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
soo cool. I always wondered about the charging and costs. Thank you.
Thank you Very much for sharing your road trip. I use gas and know very little about using electric. You really presented a lot of great EV information. Sounds like you had good family time even with some bad weather.
Glad you found it helpful!
Tesla owners often talk to each other at the superchargers. Don’t take it personal.
I thought she was trying to be helpful, but when my wife say it she had a different opinion. Thanks for commenting!
No, apparently, there seems to be a lot of "Karens" monitoring what cars are allowed to use Tesla chargers. She isn't the first Tesla owner I've seen on social media policing the charging stations.
Trying to justify their purchases. Misery, loves company.
@@MrNew122 It can be annoying when a Hummer EV is blocking two chargers for well over an hour charging that massive battery, while all the Tesla cars are in and out in 10-15 minutes. What's really annoying is when a Hummer EV or F-150 Lightning owner pulls into a busy 150 kW Tesla SuperCharger station when they should know they can't use that station. Only Tesla cars can use 150 kW stations. All the other brands can ONLY use the 250 kW Tesla SuperChargers. They sit there trying to plug-in and messing with their app thinking that something must not be working correctly. They didn't even read the simple documentation that came with their NACS adapter.
discussing commiseration and regret, or trying to convince each other they made the
"Right" choice... and they've saved the environment... and they have money to burn so it's ok at any rate...
My trip from L.A. to Tennessee in my Model X Plaid i never spent more than $35 to top up. Another trip to Vancouver and since then i’ve never paid more than $25 to top up and I like to hit the charger at less than 5%.
Non-Teslas pay more at superchargers, but i’ve heard it’s still less than EA. And all of the Tesla superchargers actually work.
I charge in my own garage it costs me $9 to charge from empty with nighttime discounts. $9. Compare that to your other trucks.
Thanks for sharing your EV charging experience!
Duke, thx! I love road trip vids. A trick I do to equate charging costs to gas is to just move the decimal one position over. For instance at the Knoxville Flying J it would be $6.70 per gallon. Not exact but pretty close and easy to do. EV road trips are expensive. I try to hold the costs Dow by choosing a cpo (TesSC, EVgo, EA) and become a member. That helps. Thx for the video. I enjoyed watching
Great tip! Thanks for sharing that information!
Amazing video, thank you so much for sharing! Beautiful truck.
Thanks, it's been a great truck for us, I'm really glad you enjoyed the video.
Could never do it, lack the patience. But you put on a very pleasant experience. Appreciate the effort
I enjoyed this super cute family nice spec and color on the Rivian😎
Thanks! Glad you liked the car and the video! We have really enjoyed it!
Thanks again 👍🏾👍🏾 informative video 👍🏾👍🏾
Thanks! You're welcome!
Before I see the results, I'd first say that I have an F-150 truck available and sitting in my driveway that I would never take on a road trip unless I was picking up or hauling large, heavy cargo. Even at the national average gas cost of $3 a gallon (which is about $1.50 a gallon cheaper than it is for me locally), this trip would easily cost me north of $225 in gas alone. If you want a low-cost road tripper, you really want to be looking at something other than a truck. An efficient EV sedan (e.g., Hyundai Ioniq 6 or Tesla Model 3) would require about half the energy you used (i.e., half the cost) and take about a quarter of the time you spent charging.
Great data, thanks! We just did 3880 miles Denver to DC via Cincinnati in a Model Y for $407 on the Tesla network with free level 2 at two hotels and at family in DC. Similar $/mile, in a smaller vehicle. Cost for EV traveling is only marginally less than ICE. And finding free charging makes a big difference. We'll check out the Paducah Walmart next time!
Thanks for sharing your experience. Glad to hear you are making use of free level 2 charging and finding ways to cut costs.
Good info Duke. I'm getting ready to do a major roadtrip in my R1S, so the information you provided was very useful. One other point on EVs: in Colorado, where I live, electric vehicles accounted for 25% of new vehicles sold in the 3rd quarter. Positive news countering anti-EV bias
Glad it was helpful!
Awww, you're son is growing up. Adorable.
Awww, hotel charging is just not the ticket yet. Cool it had a built in J1772 adapter though.
@@dianewallace6064I love hotel charging. It’s the next best thing to a charger in your garage. And it’s usually free.
@@DelPhonic1 You mean added onto *every* room's hotel bill.
@@lastfm4477 Good. Everyone should be happy to pay for cleaner air so their parents, grandparents and toddlers breathe better.
I’m all for that.
@@lastfm4477 Just like your complimentary breakfast or use of the pool.
@@DelPhonic1 except not all electricity is clean...
As a Tesla owner, I find it exciting to see non-Tesla vehicles using the Superchargers. It's a great opportunity to learn about different EV models and connect with fellow electric vehicle enthusiasts! Meeting other EV owners adds to the sense of community and shared passion
It’s a great way to build the community and make people aware of all the options on the market.
@@thedukeofmiddleville Tesla had to open up their charging network in order to receive federal money.
Thank you. Very insitefull. I'm an old hot rodder, gear head who has driven around a lot of north America (coast to coast) and loves to drive EV is getting better and I'm looking forward to having one! Oh maybe you could tell all the negative Nancy's about when your next oil change is scheduled for, how much it will cost and how much time it will take. Thanks again.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video! I also love cruising, but I don't want to spend my time at gas stations!
The EV market is dying. Major companies have scrapped all the plans to continue. VW is shuddering 3 complete assembly plants, more to follow as they have lost billions on the EV debacle. I have driven both my F-150 (22 mpg @ 70) or my Mustang GT (26mpg @ 70) 1500 miles and have spent 1/3 of the Rivian's numbers...let alone the initial price of said vehicle. Fuel stops/bathroom breaks total 15 minutes max and when I need to do oil changes, I pull out my ramps and do the deal. Even at 81 yrs., I grimace at the exorbitant waste in battery development and the damage it doing to our planet.
You've got an extremely crisp video! I drove my 2024 Prius XLE over 1,000 miles in each direction, had no issues whatsoever! Great fuel mileage and excellent comfort! The most comfortable road-car I've ever owned. Of course, that was with only with 3 adults on board.
@@seethingsclearlyawaken3424 Thanks for sharing!
Wait u;til it needs a new battery.
Great report! You are sooo right, there are many conflicting views out there about EV's. Good to have an objective report from a "Man on the Street" point of view.
I try to keep it real. Thanks for watching!
😂 imagine pulling up to a gas station with free gad and leaving without a full tank because the pumps done pissed you off.
Sign me up.
Never got free "gad", but I did actually leave a gas station after trying to use my loyalty card to get my free gas and getting an absolute run-around from the pump computer. Ah, the heady days of sub-$2.00 gasoline.
Here's the reality check a lot of people ignore...
There are hotels and other businesses that offer "free charging" to their customers.
BUT rest assured it is NOT free.
The cost of installing and maintaining the chargers and the cost of the electricity is factored into the price of the service or product they are selling you.
@@1982nsu It's the same as the complimentary breakfast. It's also not free, it's just passed along to all the people staying at the hotel. Any 'free' or reduced cost service is a provided as loss leader perk that draws customers to stay at the hotel. Also, most commercial power is purchased at reduced rates from the utilities, so the cost of a couple of level 2 EVSEs is probably negligible compared to the overall electrical consumption of the hotel (or even the construction cost of the hotel itself).
Our road trips in our Tesla Model have generally worked out to the equivalent of driving a 35 mpg gas car.
Thanks for sharing!
wow thats very bad tbh! petrol cars gets up tp 35mpg+ hybrids around 40mpg+ and diesel up to 50mpg+
@carholic-sz3qv The key phase is road trips which are rare for most, while routine daily driving over 100 mpge.
@@carholic-sz3qv The real savings for EV's is home charging. The real benefit to road tripping for me is the use of AP/FSD. Having the car drive us 96% of the time is the game changer. We used to have a Prius and it got in the high 40's on trips. But that car killed me on long trips. The same trips in the the Tesla are a breeze.
@@carholic-sz3qv You may have probably missed the most important part, You don't get free fuel from the oil companies
Awesome video, you have a beautiful family. Thank your SIL for her service.
Thank you! Nice vid...👍
Thanks for watching!
Omg what a pain in the butt. I wouldn't own a EV if it was half the price
@@bhazel69 Hello Mr Bot
Love your videos Duke. Any idea when Rivian is going to open up their chargers to non Rivians ? There is one in a perfect location for one of our regular trips.
Thanks! Its suppose to be late 2024, but it almost can't get any later into 2024.
If you can afford a rivian you should not complain about paying to fill the big battery.
You don't get rich or stay rich by spending more than you have to just because you can.
So when people stop to fuel they fill the tank full. Not one time did you fill the charge to full and waiting 30 mins to charge and not even get a full charge. What waste of time. if you had to charge to get to work you will be late every time. Many charging stations were not even working
Thank you for the cost break down.
You're welcome, and I hope the video was helpful.
I used my first Tesla Supercharger in my Lightning last week. Before I could even plug in a Tesla owner popped up out of nowhere asking me questions.
I guess it will take some time for adjustment to the new reality.
I love seeing other brands supercharging!
my time is worth more than the money I would save
@@4jrbirdman That is exactly way I prefer road tripping in my Rivian vs my Mazda CX-9. It's so much more relaxing and the road trips are enjoyable instead of being a task that must be completed. How much is joy and relaxation worth. Based on our choice to road trip exclusively in our EV over the Mazda should tell you everything you need to know unless you can get past ideology which is understandable I guess
So is my. Safety.
@@4jrbirdman EV wins in both time and safety. If you could fuel ⛽️ your car at home would you go to the gas station? Which would be more time consuming?
@@kathyyoung1774 EVs are much safer than gas cars.
@@thedukeofmiddleville I can't take my home with me on road trips and i don't want to waste time looking for charging stations.
EV's should have a generator that can at least allow to extend the range on highway for those emergencies where there's no chargers for certain distance. Better than to deal with the hassle of getting stranded out of nowhere. Tesla owners act with entitlement which is another reason I would not buy a Tesla if I had the choice, they act like they are in a cult. I would rather buy an Asian brand or Rivian. But even if the charging system improved, I don't think I would be getting an EV. I know, some says you get used to it. But I say, no thank you. Auto maker should make it same or better than ICE or ICE-Hybrids. I can also see it would be very frustrating for older folks.
You just described a plug in hybrid vehicle. I owned one for 12 years, and I only had to go to a gas station about 4 times a year. However, there are a lot of charging stations going in everyday, so I no longer have a need for a plug In hybrid.
I have taken many road trips in my EV, and charging has not been a problem and it gets better everyday.
Thanks for commenting!
I did a rough comparison with my fairly inefficient VW Vanagon, which gets around 17 miles per gallon. Doing the same 1500 miles, I figure it costs in the mid $350 range for premium fuel. In California probably more, in other states, probably less. But as mentioned by others below, time is a major factor for us, and our stops are closer to 5 - 10 minutes. The Rivian looks fantastic and modern, my VW is old school charm with far fewer comforts. In my case, convenience wins out, over actual dollar amounts. Thanks for the video.
Thank you, that was very interesting.
Awesome. I was thinking about getting Hummer, so I needed this information 😂
Glad I could help!
It cost me more and I had to make more stops compared to the same trip that was taking in a ICE vehicle. Course a Chevrolet Bolt EUV isn't really an idea road trip vehicle.
The Bolt was designed to be a commuter car, so road tripping will be more difficult due to its slow charging speeds. Thanks for sharing!
Ladies beware,you are sitting ducks at these stupid charging stations!
I have a Tesla but I have no problems with other EVs using the superchargers. I also use PlugShare and ABRP apps as alternatives. Never had an issue with charging!
The apps make the charging experience much better.
Thanks for your video! Thanks for being upfront and showing things I live real close to Bloomington Il where your truck was made they have helped this area out a lot. I am retired and was in the automotive industry all my working life, I think if you like a total electric vehicle that’s great but might be my age but I am a fan of the hybrid vehicles I like the idea of a back up plan if things don’t go as planed 😂. I have been looking at a Ford Maverick to just beat around in and would go with a Hybrid but I am a GM guy and that is a big step! Thanks for your sister in laws service. Great video!
Respect to your sister-in-law
Thanks for the video. I wish you had broken down the number of times you had to stop, how long each stop took, as compared to if you had driven that Ram.
I would have stopped the same number of times. I discuss them in this video: ruclips.net/video/SvxJP5FXFIU/видео.html
@thedukeofmiddleville That doesn't seem possible as MOST similar vehicles, that run on gas or diesel, go a lot farther between stops and probably only take 10-ish minutes to fill up and get back on the road, (including a restroom stop).