This was such a great review. Honest, to the point, and unbiased. So many EVs are reviewed by people who either love them and ignore the negative aspects, or by those who hate them and gloss over the positives, concentrating on the failures. This is probably the most useful Tesla video I've seen so far, and gives a realistic report on what life would be like with an EV. Definitely a thumbs up from me 👍
@@BK-pc3eiThat's suggesting that they're unbiased. Absolutely not. The vast majority of any type of content online is laced with bias because humans are inherently and it's incredibly difficult to minimise bias as much as possible. Most are heavily biased with no attempt to minimise.
I purchased my 2015 model S 85 march this year, it only had 34500 km (21500 miles) on the clock. The car is perfect in every way and I love it to bits. I still keep my good old Jeep Grand Cherokee for long distance driving and towing. The best of both worlds for me. Great video mate and information to light up the grey matter.
Griffen, thank you for this. One of the most sane and balanced reviews on owning an ev ive ever watched. From now on when people ask me about Tesla pros and cons I will direct them to your video.
I'm in the lower class. I drive a 2009 skoda octavia 1.9 tdi. Comuting to work and back, costs me around $160 a month. If i want to go fishing or other small trips, that's added cost. Overall, i spend about $200 on diesel + $50 on insurance a month. Now, i found a 2013 Model S P85 with free supercharging and premium connectivity and with 195.000km on it. Drive unit and battery were never changed. The battery still holds 76kwh after 11 years. I sold my Skoda for $1500 and i made a loan in the bank for $12k for the Model S. It costs me nothing to drive as i have free supercharging and i pay the bank $170 monthly + $70 insurance. That's just about the same money you'd say but in the winter, the skoda is actually a lot more expensive to drive so, tesla actually pays me during winter. I'm also not limited financially on the length of my trips as long as i plan them with superchargers on itinerary. I also don't have to service it for so many things as i did with the skoda: oils, coolant, filters, rotors, brakepads, etc. On the other hand, the Tesla is out of warranty so, if the drive unit or battery were to fail, i'm f0kt :) Overall, i think i did the right decision to switch ... mainly because the clutch and timing belt on skoda needed replacement and that's about $1000.
@@RichardLopez-ij5px uptill now i'm very happy with it. Never spent a dime since i got it. I will however have to change the high voltage battery fuse because that older model of fuse had small batteries which are at the end of their life but the new fuse won't need changing anymore. That's about $400. Other than that, need to change some wear things on the rear suspension because .. Performance and because .. i liked it a little too much :D
From what was said in the video, SuperCharging a battery every-time will shorten it's lifespan and hence you are accelerating it's degradation by doing so and lump sum energy cost (battery replacement) is pending. Hope you enjoyed it whilst it lasted.
I paid $21,700 for a 2022 model 3 with 25k miles on it. After the $5k I put down and the $3k ev tax credit I’ll be getting at tax time my loan is $13,700. With a payment of $280 a month. These cars are very much so attainable.
@@yisabc1 model 3 standard range 26k sticker. Will be eligible for the 4k federal tax credit to use toward down payment. Put an extra 5k down and you’re 18k.
One of the most informative and in my opinion correct assessments of early Model S. I run a 2014 P85 fitted with upgraded MCU (not really worth it) V2.5 door handles (V3 guts mounted on V1 back plates, with adaptor harnesses and new software) well worth it no more breaking door handles. At 35,000 the rear drive unit was replaced due to gear whine and 75,000 main battery pack (it had a slight coolent leak from new and on this hot day overheated putting car into snail mode) got home and theres an email from Freemont at 2am their time to say "we have detected a fault with your battery we have organised a replacement please call XXX" now thats what I call service, 2 days later job done. I still love my RWD MS and find the way the RWD more refined than the 4WD plus 0-60 in 4 seconds still quick. And yes I like the nose cone and in pearl white black sunroof delete cream interior with black 19" wheels red calipers and carbon rear spoiler it still looks current and as you say people assume its a plaid saying the car looks new.
I had watched your older model S videos last year. This video was also very useful as I am thinking about buying a used model S myself this year. I like the model S over a model 3 and model Y because of the space it offers, the styling and the old fashioned stocks and buttons. Thanks for pointing out some of the things to look out for!
@@tedalen529 I did not get one. In my country the EV exemption of road tax (based on car weight) is ending. After that a heavy Model S would be taxed twice as much as an ICE car. Crazy policy. So I decided to get a VW Passat GTE plug in hybrid instead. That works for me right now. Batteries help me with 90 percent of my driving around town. Long distance I have to use gas. With rising gas prices here I am very pleased with my choice.
I have a 2020 Model Y and you are rite. In Autopilot i have many instances of ghost braking. I have trained myself to stab the throttle fast when it happens so i won't get rear ended.
Thank you for your excellent report. I rented a 2014 Model S from Turo a few months back It was only $42/day. Not bad and a great way to get that experience. The battery was degraded on it but I showed the owner how he could get more than 200 miles range from it again by changing it to chill mode. He was very appreciative of that as it bought him some toime to address that aging battery. But he also shared with me that he had learned that an entire battery might not need replacement, but rather simply swap out the modules which have the wose cells in it, Each module costs only $400, so that would likely cost significantly less that the full $14,000 for the full replacement. Also, he said that he had found some full after market battery packs for about $8,000. Recently, the battery for the Nissan Leaf went Open-Source. It would be wonderful if Tesla did similarly as well allowing for more options.
@@johnraviella6561 Yeah, he lied to you. There are no modules for $400. Complete and utter lie. And if some of the modules are failing, the others aren't far behind, especially if your swap modules so they are fully matched anymore. How many times do you want to pull the 1000lb battery? Like every weekend?
I am not sure for how many cycles are those Model S batteries rated, but modern batteries are tested for maybe even 300k miles, so if some cells fail at 80k miles, they are probably lemons that you can just replace.... it is kinda like if you had like 8 engine chains in your car, they should not fail at 80k... if one fails, does not mean other are ''not far behind'', it means the one that failed is a lemon @@JetFire9
Five years with a high mileage early Model S and I do now regret it. In April of 2020 I bought a 2013 Model S85 from the original owner, the main drive unit and main display had already been replaced under warranty @90K miles. That meant that the car I bought was on it's second drive unit and display (@96K miles). In the summer of 2023 I began experiencing episodes of the drive unit cutting out during normal driving. Within a year the issue became worse, and by the Fall of 2024 it was happening almost every time I drove the car. So in mid-November 2024 I drove it to the local Austin, TX service center and on the drive there it cut out 3 times. When I got there they said I should leave it with them (without an appointment) because it was a "safety issue". The diagnosis (the same day) was that the drive unit was failing and had to be replaced. My choice: do nothing and have eventual total drive unit failure requiring a costly tow to the nearest service center or make the replacement now. I authorized the replacement~ $6700 (out of warranty). The car has 140,000 miles now and is on it's 3rd drive unit. If I had known that this was a possible issue, I never would have bought the car back in 2020. This may not be typical for all early Model S's, but I was unlucky enough for it to happen to mine. Three (3) drive units in 140,000 miles of normal driving is not my idea of a dependable car.
There's very little use for your opinions about repair when you're secretive about the expenses. "Didn't cost as much as I expected" doesn't mean anything.
Bro, Nashville is 5 hours from Dayton and I drove back and forth in the same day in a Tesla. You made it sound like Nashville is as far as Dallas or something.
Man he is 100% right about the FSD just slamming on the brakes out of nowhere. It sometimes seriously acts like a 16-year-old who just got their learner's permit. And with each 'release', it's not getting any better.
Tesla is supposed to be a software company, not a car company. Well, after owning one, I can tell you they suck at being a car company, but they are even worse at being a software company!
7 to 10 more years? I'll keep my 1997 GMC, seems to work fine still. To be fair, it sits a lot, and mostly just hauls my ladders and tools, but age and 185,000 miles and hardly any maintenance hasn't hurt it.
@@Charlesbjtown When a Tesla reaches that age I might buy one. Mine's not the only one, I see them all the time still running. If they end up in the junk yard in 10 years, I'm really not interested.
If you get the chademo adaptor for your Tesla , you can charge at Nissan free . Now , what is good about the chademo is that it tapers the charge when you get to 90% range . It protects the battery - though I only charge my leaf every 1 - 2 weeks as I work from home . But I also follow battery discipline - don’t charge the leaf till it’s at about 50- 33 % . Battery is still under war - Nissan dealers are everywhere but if I want to go out of state I get on my goldwing .
CHADEMO adapter for Tesla tops at 50KW. Very slow. I have one used it once to test it. Never used it again. This was my review ruclips.net/video/bZ1VXy_9TC4/видео.html
Great review. I love the nose cone too. While I agree that road tripping an EV is not great due to charging times, it’s definitely doable. Tesla’s supercharging network is sooooo much better in my experience than the options for non-Tesla’s. (I own a Kia Niro EV but often rent model 3’s on business trips) I have a differing opinion on ownership cost, I put 140K mi on a Toyota Avalon Hybrid I bought used, it never needed anything but the scheduled maintenance (60, 90, 120, 150k) plus oil changes…EV’s particularly Tesla’s just don’t have most of these needs. No Transmission Fluid to change every 30K, no oil every 5-10K (Toyota recommends 10K interval on synthetic), no spark plugs. I didn’t have a break service need in that car except fluid replacement as most Tesla owners do and both have coolant though an IcE car replaces coolant every 30K, most Tesla owners go much longer. My Kia with 33K mi has been in every 7500 (4 services now) all have just been inspections and tire rotations, the last one topped off a fluid and changed the cabin air filter, total spend of $100. My point? Even doing the maint yourself, the Tesla is still cheaper to maintain because there are far fewer things to service. There are a great review of long-term (300K mi) model s where the owner kept track of all costs of maint and gas in his previous Subaru vs Model S, the Tesla was far less than 1/2 of the cost over the same number of miles. Lastly, while battery replacements are expensive, there are other options with Electrified Garage and similar companies with a growing number of service centers that can repair them for much much cheaper. Thanks for taking the time to do your review, I have loved the Model 3’s I’ve rented through Hertz but my love for the Model S look has me planning for a used one of those after my lease is up on my Kia and your video helped get me closer to that!
Very good points indeed. Also wanted to point out that Tesla has always said they prioritize safety first which explains why they would have that fuse to kill the battery. We also have to remember this was nearly $100,000 back in the day. The range on this car has nearly doubled now. The battery technology is much better. Would have been better to make references to a Mercedes S class or 7 series. Lastly there are videos on how a model 3 is now cheaper to own in the long run than a Camry.
Super helpful, learned two new things: non-beta ap2 cars aren’t being shipped with radar or ultra sonic sensors anymore, and no power to battery if airbags are deployed.
I really enjoyed your review. It was very clear, understandable and informative. Thank you. Your story hits home with me since after a long and painstaking thinking and roller coasting on finding and buying a used affordable Tesla, I got myself a 2017 model X a few weeks back. I love having & driving it but since I’m new to such expensive EVs, I’m a bit nervous & fearful of what if .. your review gave me some confidence that I should probably have. Thanks again
I’m glad for the honest review here. I’m currently in the market for a used car, or possibly a lease. I was considering a Tesla, either a lease because they got so cheap recently, or a used one since the prices have fallen dramatically. I have a long commute (120 miles) so the idea of an EV was appealing because I would save a lot on gas. But the more and more I look into reviews, watch videos and see customer feedback, the more and more unreliable any EV seems. A lot of the other manufacturers either have not enough range so I would be constantly stuck with range anxiety, or there have just been catastrophic issues where I would consider the car a safety hazard. The overall build quality on Teslas just seems to be poor, so I have a hard time believing that if I buy a used one it’ll last me for the next 10 years, so it would feel like a waste of money. I like the idea of an EV, but I just don’t see any modern EV as reliable enough to be a good car
I just bumped into this video and I think it is quite informative. Did you finally get an EV? I am in some ways in the same boat as you - long commute (120 miles) and I am looking into an EV to save on gas. What's your experience like in case you got an EV?
That's a safety thing with many car manufacturers, including Audi and BMW. I'm shocked most people don't know this and make it sound like a Tesla invention.
I’m so glad I never had to deal with the very early versions of “ full self driving” (still don’t know how they can legally call it that.) I just got a model Y and have experienced V12 which is a very mature version of the product and it has waaaay less hiccups. If anything it’s TOO cautious in certain situations and I’ll take that any day over it making dangerous mistakes.
My own 2015 MS85D now has over 227,000 miles and 87% battery .. and still looks and drives as new. It isn’t worth anything in the marketplace with that many miles, so I just keep driving it :). I know it seems crazy .. but these cars really last and I would not be afraid of buying them.
Glad you were okay. One if the major deciding factors on buying our Model S was its top ranked safety scores. I agree that 19’s ride smoother, quieter, and less expensive than 21’s, but we kept our 21’s fir their appearance fwiw. Cleaning and lubricating the sunroof seals should rid it of that sound and make it last for years trouble-free. A Tesbros satin chrome delete and a front bumper refresh, along with an infotainment upgrade will give your 2015 a nice bump in appearance and functionality, but to each their own. Glad you were able to find a suitable replacement for your P85. Our P85+ is still going strong, thankfully, with 90% battery retention at 150k miles. The performance bushings have started to make ticking sounds when turning at low speeds, but not a big deal, though will eventually replace it if starts making more noise. Other than that, it’s been solid. We have almost exclusively Supercharged our S and plan to continue to do so. fwiw, we keep the SOC mostly between 30%-80%, as to balance out any possibe degradation from supercharging. With California gas prices being what they are, we have saved a combined $50k by Supercharging for free (grandfathered) instead of pumping gas, which includes not having to pay for oil changes,tune ups, smog, etc. - with that much saved, if I had to pay for a full $13k battery replacement, I’d still be far ahead financially as it’s already paid for itself in gas savings alone. Simply put, buying our used Model S was the best car buying decision ever.
The free supercharging is nice, but Tesla is doing a good job of removing them from the road one way or another. Without free supercharging, your savings would not be so compelling. You will have a battery failure soon. I can feel it in my balls. And probably a drive unit too. 😂😂😂
Sooner or later you're going to have increased registration costs for BEV's. Ice cars pay the taxes for the roads through the gasoline taxes. EVs do not. So sooner or later you're registration for a BEV is going to be 5 to 10 times that of a typical ice equivalent. Also premiums are rising from insurance companies on BEV's because of the cost of collision repairs. And if you buy a new Tesla that cost you $126, 000 last year and then you get in a wreck you will find that the insurance company will only pay for 60k and you're going to be saddled with the other 60K while you have to go purchase another car. A lot of Tesla owners are feeling that underwater problem. I will maintained ice will last just as long and cost probably a tiny bit more over the time as compared to a Tesla or other BEV. However each of those repairs for the ice is going to be generally doable and not that expensive. If you get a reliable ice that has a good reputation for his transmission and engine then the worse you're going to have is water pumps starters batteries ball bearing suspension like shocks and struts. You know replacing engine mount brackets things like that. But a Tesla when those motors fail those things are not cheap at all. And you have to replace the entire thing. It's not like your motor in an ice vehicle has bad water pump. Those motors in a Tesla go out it's gone forever. Also tow trucks are starting to refuse to pick up b e v's because of the risk of thermal run away on there vehicle and the road that they travel on. Because if that b e v thermal runaway fire damages the road the wrecking company is responsible for the damage. That's one of the other reasons why premiums for insurance on BEV's is beginning to rise considerably. And once the government subsidies go away, these BEVs even model threes are outside of the range of most people in the United States who work for a living. And who use vehicles as appliances not as trophies. The other thing to remember is that people who live in rentals and apartments can't honestly own a BEV unless they're near a supercharger. Or the apartment complex for some bizarre reason because we all know how generous rental property owners are put in charging units, they'll probably charge you to use the charging unit. So people in apartments can't really utilize BEV's unless it's for short trips and they can get to a charging station with relative ease. But if everybody in that apartment complex has a BEV you better have a lot of charging places for them. And it's not like they can just fill up the tank in 5 minutes and leave. Especially on busy days when they're going to work. And renters don't have the option to modify the building they rent to put in a fast charger. In my opinion the market for the BEV's is saturated now. Because it's people who can one afford these vehicles to afford the cost of replacing tires every 35,000 mi, ability to modify their home for fast charging. So ice is going to be around for a long time. Hybrid ice is a nice option and that's how Toyota is going. Look full-on BED adoption, the infrastructure doesn't exist for it. I really don't care how many superchargers you put around the country When you have hundreds of millions of DEV's on the road the infrastructure that we have from the power stations to the delivery does not exist. And in order for it to exist that means the electric companies are going to have to spend money which means you're going to be whacked in the ass in your bill and your taxes.
Correct me if I'm wrong but most of modern ice cars also have piro fuses and they also activate in the same manner. So basically you would be sitting in a bmw or vw exactly the same way as you did in tesla.
9:50 I just had the mobile service change the 12v battery in my 2018 Model 3 Long Range. The total price was $116! The only aftermarket battery I could find in our local parts stores was $279 to it was a great deal to have them do it!
Hi, about that pyrofuse, newer gas cars have that too, its not only on tesla, and like on a ev it functions the same, after the airbag deploy, you cant start the car
The safety for deploying the airbags where the car can not move is also a crime safety feature. For example, if a Tesla hit you that means they can not run away. No more hit and run.
Good review. My 2014 S 85 has 146K miles and has been pretty much trouble free (tires, LV battery, right window regulator). My advantage is free, unlimited supercharging linked to the VIN, so free for me, and free for the next owner(s). Streaming and realtime navigation are also free. I've saved between $2 - 2.5K/year because of the free supercharging. So from an economic standpoint, it beats gas & hybrid (I had a Volt as well) alternatives.
Regarding the "Combustion cars rarely have catestrophic failures" thing, my 2010 Golf GTI suddenly lost power and basically wouldn't accept any throttle at all and I had to get it towed. It sounds like you were able to drive your Model S to the service centre no problem. I would probably prefer you cite statistical data rather than random anecdotes regarding this kinda thing because you can come away with some pretty untrue assertions otherwise. Often these battery degredation errors are fine for many days or weeks.
My co-worker got in a very minor t-bone, just enough to blow the airbags in a brand new ICE volvo. (very minor body damage, but it took 6 months to get the replacement headliner because it was a new generation car) It locked the e-brake and had to be dragged onto a flatbed tow. Its not just EVs that lock up in fender benders or worse.
Excellent input on your experience with a Tesla. One thing to point out is that your battery failure was basically the largest failure a vehicle could have. Equivalent to an IC engine just outright failing. While $13K is by no means cheap for any car, I don't think you'd do much better getting a new engine for an IC car in the same class as a model S. Just saying. Good content.
Actually, I would put it more like both the engine and transmission failing at the same time. Let's face it, an ICE is going to have failures and rebuilds as well, and they are not cheap to fix. Battery prices will continue to come down, and refurbishing battery modules will become more common place, making them even cheaper to maintain. A couple years ago I saw Tesla battery packs getting pulled and assessed, with a few bad cells being replaced to make it as good as new for $5k.
Maybe, but here is the thing. Total engine failure on ICE is not really a thing. Especially not suddenly. I don't think I personnally know anyone who had one replaced.
First time seeing your videos. Terrific analysis and clearly explained. I agree with the 100% EV future. So many use cases for ICE or hybrid vehicles that are superior than EVs.
Great video, very well explained , I currently own a 2018 model s, and was worried about up coming problems that I might face as well, and I totally agree with you on the super charging on the car, I really feel that it will lessen the life span on the battery as well, my car has never, and will never see a super charger station, and I also agree on the customer service from the company, I love the car, but when people ask me about it, I tend to give the the good, and a lot of the bad, knowing what I know now after owning it for 5 years, I wouldn't do it again, mostly do the the extremely poor customer service, I would also like to add that they discontinued the sunroofs , and I understand why, I had a Crack that wasn't under warranty, Tesla realized that it's a stress Crack from opening and closing it, they won't admit it, but I did some research on it, and that was the cause, 12 hundred dollars later. Keep up the great videos, and most of all, I'm glad that everyone was ok. New Subscriber here.
I have been considering the purchase of an older Tesla Model S, and so have been perusing experienced-based reviews like this one. But wow, I'm very impressed with the balanced and articulate review that I stumbled across here. Good job sir! The bottom line is: even if one is fond of Teslas, and thinking of getting one for your daily driver, you will still be living in the real world with your decision; with all its advantages and deficiencies, just like any other car. And while this review didn't scare me off of considering one, it will enter heavily into my decision.
GM did right by the Bolt in the end, replacing all the batteries, even good ones. I now own a 2017 Bolt w/ 90k miles, and a 2017 Volt with 50k miles. What GM did wrong was kill the Voltech powertrain. The Volt is the best EV choice for someone who has access to one car. I'm getting 45-50 miles a charge in the summer, and if I run that out, I just use gas. Go back home, and charge it up for the next day. The Prius Prime is close to it, but the total range is lower and the powertrain setup is different and not as good IMO.
I wanted a Chevy volt for a long time, and when I finally got the money for a new car, discovered they no longer made them 😢 I ended up going with a bolt EUV which I just traded in for an id4
Love the review. A suggestion from a Model S owner, try using the precondition feature in the app! I use it primarily to get the battery up to temp, but it always uses the climate control. Some other hacks I use are to set the destination to a supercharger, to get the car to heat up the battery. But... I've been getting shafted by Tesla Service Center with repairs. Scared to buy another one, definitely will be cautious. Here's to many more miles!
Almost all modern vehicles in an accident that causes deployment of air bags will disable the engine as well. Some have reset switches that require you to exit the car to access.
I just bought a used 2022 Model 3 rear-wheel drive for $18,900.00 after the $4000 government federal rebate. That makes this car's out-the-door price of around $23,000 more than $26,000 cheaper than a new 2024 RWD Model 3, and mine has almost all of the features of the 2024 version. The car is immaculate and looks brand new, and it came with 77,000 miles on it. So, the battery is still under warranty, as is the drive train. I ran a third-party check on the battery condition, and it's between 95% - 97% of its original capacity, which is excellent. It has a range of 253 miles and will go 0-60 in 5.3 seconds. It also has the LFP battery, which is the most durable battery Tesla makes, with the possible exception of the new Cyber Truck battery, which I know nothing about. LFP batteries can have as many as 4000 charging cycles and still retain 80% of their capacity - which equates to over 17 years of charging. Several reviews of Tesla Model 3s with 300,000 or more miles show the cars have over 90% of their original battery capacity, and these are the cobalt lithium-ion batteries, not the LFP batteries, which are more durable and long-lasting. Also, it does not damage LFP batteries if you charge them to 100%. They are designed to allow full charges. I recently charged it on a Tesla supercharger from 30% to 100%, which is over 200 miles of range, for $8.61. My Toyota Tacoma truck would cost roughly $56.00 for that 200-mile range. When I get my home charger installed, charging costs will be about 50% cheaper. Right now, my utility charges about $0.12 per KWH, so I will be able to charge my Model 3 from 0-100% for $7.68 using home charging, and that is for the full 253-mile range. My Tacoma would cost over $90.00 to fill up from empty (it has a 22-gallon gas tank). I can't speak to the reliability issues you experienced with your Model S sedans, but the Model 3 RWD is turning out to be one of the most, if not the most, reliable EVs on the road. The 2022 Model 3 had some build quality issues when it came out, and I am not including those issues because Tesla has corrected them. They included water leaking into tail lights, leaks at the glass top, rattles, and uneven gaps at the metal edges of the vehicle. Mine did have moisture in the passenger side rear taillight, but the dealer I bought it from replaced it with a new taillight for free. Also, if the road is rough, substantial noise can be transmitted to the cabin. But that would be true for almost all vehicles, with the possible exception of six-figure luxury cars. When you have a reasonably good road, the interior is very quiet. The suspension is firm but surprisingly comfortable and competent. Near my house, there are a set of brutal speed dips that force drivers to slow to the 25 mph speed limit. With my Tacoma, if I hit those speed dips too fast, my rear suspension would bottom out harshly. My Model 3 suspension does not bottom out and absorbs the impact comfortably, which impresses the hell out of me. The car came with full self-driving (FSD) capability and an excellent autopilot mode, so it came with the advanced AMD CPU, which enables these upgrades. It also has beta Autosteer, which keeps your car in the lane you are in and performs really well. It even senses when a car moves into your lane on your blind side and adjusts to avoid a collision. I honestly cannot imagine owning a better car. For $18,900, this car was a steal. It will literally pay for itself in gas savings and maintenance in about five years or less, depending on how much I drive. The insurance from Tesla is $165.00 a month (my insurance quoted me $220 a month). Both of these costs are on par with a luxury compact gasoline car like a BMW M3. So far, my experience has been radically different from yours. However, I just bought my Tesla, so I will have to wait a year to see if any of the problems you encountered come up.
If your tacoma is bottoming out on a speed bump/dips. You have suspension issues. Or you have yours lowered? There is no way a tacoma would be bottoming out and your tesla isn’t. 🤔
@dnegel9546 No the suspension was 13 years old. But I replaced it with $1500 upgraded after market 2 inch coil over shocks and it still didn't handle the speed dip well. My Tesla Model 3 suspension handles the speed dip better. But the suspension on the truck is designed to carry 1000 lb loads, so that is why it is stiffer without a load. These speed dips are designed to bottom out your suspension if you go too fast. They are much worse than speed bumps. Far worse than speed bumps. They are brutal and they force drivers to slow down in the residential neighborhood.
If you don’t mind me asking where did you buy the used car from; was it from Tesla, an online dealer or a local dealer. You did get a steal considering it has fsd
@Antrix108 Not at all. I bought it from a dealer named Wii Auto Sales, in the Phoenix, Arizona metro area. You can Google the name and find them. Also, it does NOT have FSD. However, I can add FSD to the car for $99.00 a month. I got a free FSD trial, and I really didn't like using it.
Liked your video, thanks for it. Also loving my old 2015 MS 85D even there're some minor thing going bad, but that I consider to be normal on a car which has done over 240k km so far. I agree with the AP1 quality, it's unbeatable in my optinion. MCU1 is also working still well even with some bubbles :) Supercharging is very fast as after a year of ownership I have upgraded to 100kWh battery => much recommended if you travel long distances. Free SuC is also a great perk! Much enjoyed it during my trips around Europe. Model S is also very practical also for a big family which might not be as clear on a first sight. If you have pano roof, you can mount roof racks. You can also mont "trailer" hitch for mounting a bike holder on the back. The car also looks great as we don't like the MX and MY bulky look, M3 would be acceptable, but not that practival without the liftback concept. MS is just gorgeous, quite low and very very wide makes people look after it even it's 11years on the market now! Still love the car and will keep it as long as possible ;)
While he says fail less problem is my ICE a "failure" has been minor stuff like a 19 yrs. old EVAP valve going bad, car drove fine, MIL was on, friend scanned my car for free, got a used part at pick-a-part for$11 and four years later, it is still working. BEV failures tend to be massive and costly, and they rake you over coals because ONLY Tesla can service it and charge whatever they want. Also of note, Prius and many pure BEV for that matter have the standard OBD2 port and up to date scanner you can analyze at home. You can do bidirectional and test modules. Tesla is only one I know of who purposefully left off the OBD2 connector for $$$
I'm with you on the MCU upgrade. I have the MCU 1 and while the upgrade would be nice, it isn't worth the nearly $2,500 price tag for Netflix, which i wouldn't watch or a faster internet which I wouldn't use. The only reason I'd want the upgrade was for the rear sentry cam and side cameras while backing up but that's it.
I had to step out and cross a highway just outside Chicago- in the winter with no coat just a small sweater. It was so damn scary. I ran out of gas - it’s never happened to me - I had to walk about a mile or 2 and buy a gas container and use that for 2 gallon. Then walk back and cross. Man the speed of those cars - woo. Glad your good and hopefully the Tesla is doing well
Just an FYI. Some gasoline vehicles have the same feature as Tesla when it comes to the airbags deployment disabling the vehicle. I got rear ended by a lady in a Volvo that had that same problem. The car was drivable but because her airbags deployed the car wouldn’t start or go into gear.
Nicely done vehicle. At 10:50, a warning popped up and you drove the vehicle to the service center for repair. I don't think I would consider that an abrupt failure, it didn't strand you since it was still drivable. It would have been better if Tesla was more open regarding drivability in that state though.
Thank you so much for such an honest and balanced review. I'm on the brink of buying a 2018 Model S here in the UK, tempted by having plenty of warranty left and a luxury car to enjoy on my daily commute. Plus, my employer offers free charging... Making my long daily commute almost free. Completely agree about the wheel size, that's been my sentiment for quite a while. Will make sure I get one without those seats 👍
Mine S got us 285.000mls in 9 years. Original battery rebuilt a year and a half ago, back to 96% from 11% (!). But nothing major really, a few bad cells causing shortcuts were replaced. I already preventively had the motor rebuilt, too. At the same time as the battery. Luckily, since it was instantly obvious it would not last much longer after opening it up. My son (the original owner) changed a few things, too, some electronic something. All under warranty, nothing major. Car is now ready for another 200.000mls, I wastold, I hope it does. Best car ever (meaning cheapest to run).
Great video 😎 I am not sure how many cars come with a pyro fuse that pop when the airbags go off but it is not unique to Tesla. I know Porsches have that as well. The engine will not start until the pyro fuse is replaced. On the 992 GT3 RS you have to remove the entire dash just to access it 😬
Most of the time with Teslas when high voltage battery dies, it's just a single cell in one of the packs. That's why you were still able to drive it. There are some mechanics shops where they know how to replace this cell, and this can sometimes cost less than 1000$. But it depends on the model, some model ys and 3s can't even open the battery pack.
I feel like majority of FSD complaints come from Tesla’s advertising issue where they present it as being useful in cities (or more like the lack of them pointing out that it is mainly for highways. Yes its in a fine print on the order sheet but let's be honest, it isn't the easiest thing to spot). I haven’t had issues with highway FSD at all. I don’t really bother with city traffic just from the amount of cyclists, pedestrians, etc cutting in/walking onto the road and my car slamming the brakes. The phantom braking during highway cruise was a issue a few updates ago but seems to have largely fixed itself. My M3P is the HW3 non-radar generation car.
great video...what do you know about or recommend re: buying an extended warranty on say a 2017 Tesla S ? that's currently out of warranty..lets' say that has 100k miles? thanks in advance!
On sudden ICE engine fail, you are wrong: it happens plenty. My sister owned 2011 Subaru Impreza from new, at 76,000 miles coolant hose sprung a leak and engine was toast in 30 seconds. My older Subaru lost an internal coolant seal on previous EJ series and was toast in 30 seconds, had to push it off the highway in 8 deg F weather. It happens
2019 Acura MDX 105,000 miles, time for a Timing Belt Replacement & Valves Adjustments and through in a water pump while we're in there. $3,200 at the Dealer in San Jose, $2,900 at a private mechanic in Santa Clara. Gas cars are Cheaper to Maintain??? It is May 2014 and repair prices have been shooting UP ⬆. Great report though!!
I will say that it used to be that way. I had a Range Rover and Mercedes and their service has moved to online appointments and only when you show up will they speak to you. It is getting hard to get good service anywhere.
Sorry to say, but the pyro fuse is the same in internal combustion cars. (Same happened to me in a 2007 Saab). Other than that: Thanks for the very comprehensive way to approach the subject of repairs and costs!
Good video. I, too, rent an ICE car for long road trips. Usually, I drive back roads and go to obscure places that don't have level 2 charging let alone fast charges. The ICE just simplifies the whole process and eliminates getting stranded. But I don't think I'll ever go back to an ICE for a daily driver.
Finally someone who agrees with me on those damn disturbing seats, I had a 2022 model three rented from Hertz for Uber and I drove it 16,000 miles in three months so I was in that seat a lot it was horrible on me killed my thighs made you hunch Forward you could never adjust it to a decent position the only way I fixed it was sitting on a full-size pillow long ways under my legs so I got some support under my thighs by the knee
It’s important to mention warranty’s not really being a thing , you can get a 2018 model 3 long range newer tech gets updates and overall a better quality car vs the first s’ that came out
Do you plan on doing a third year review of your car? If so, I’d love to hear it. I am considering buying a used model S and enjoy all the information. Thank you very much. Take care.
More modern Teslas will tell you what the error means on the screen. You tap on it in the alerts menu and it loads up the documentation. Also, you actually can call up Tesla and ask any questions you want. I've done this at least twice when ordering and questions on taking my Model 3 for service on a defect with some interior trim.
This was such a great review. Honest, to the point, and unbiased. So many EVs are reviewed by people who either love them and ignore the negative aspects, or by those who hate them and gloss over the positives, concentrating on the failures. This is probably the most useful Tesla video I've seen so far, and gives a realistic report on what life would be like with an EV. Definitely a thumbs up from me 👍
Pretty much all reviewer’s that are RUclipsrs cover it from both sides positive and negative with Tesla
@@BK-pc3eiI’d have to disagree that
@@BK-pc3eiThat's suggesting that they're unbiased. Absolutely not. The vast majority of any type of content online is laced with bias because humans are inherently and it's incredibly difficult to minimise bias as much as possible. Most are heavily biased with no attempt to minimise.
What life would be like with a 10 year old used EV.
I purchased my 2015 model S 85 march this year, it only had 34500 km (21500 miles) on the clock. The car is perfect in every way and I love it to bits. I still keep my good old Jeep Grand Cherokee for long distance driving and towing. The best of both worlds for me. Great video mate and information to light up the grey matter.
I’ve owned mine since 2015 (85D) with 160k miles. Still runs like the day I bought it. Lost about 12% battery. Love it!
Hi bro, give me please advise what the used 2014,15 tesla model s most reliable @lv2wap
So glad you weren’t injured in your car accident
Griffen, thank you for this. One of the most sane and balanced reviews on owning an ev ive ever watched. From now on when people ask me about Tesla pros and cons I will direct them to your video.
I'm in the lower class.
I drive a 2009 skoda octavia 1.9 tdi.
Comuting to work and back, costs me around $160 a month.
If i want to go fishing or other small trips, that's added cost. Overall, i spend about $200 on diesel + $50 on insurance a month.
Now, i found a 2013 Model S P85 with free supercharging and premium connectivity and with 195.000km on it.
Drive unit and battery were never changed. The battery still holds 76kwh after 11 years.
I sold my Skoda for $1500 and i made a loan in the bank for $12k for the Model S.
It costs me nothing to drive as i have free supercharging and i pay the bank $170 monthly + $70 insurance.
That's just about the same money you'd say but in the winter, the skoda is actually a lot more expensive to drive so, tesla actually pays me during winter.
I'm also not limited financially on the length of my trips as long as i plan them with superchargers on itinerary.
I also don't have to service it for so many things as i did with the skoda: oils, coolant, filters, rotors, brakepads, etc.
On the other hand, the Tesla is out of warranty so, if the drive unit or battery were to fail, i'm f0kt :)
Overall, i think i did the right decision to switch ... mainly because the clutch and timing belt on skoda needed replacement and that's about $1000.
How’s the car holding up. I love risk takers 😊.
One thing you didn't mention is that for the same money, you are in a much much more premium and better driving car!
@@RichardLopez-ij5px uptill now i'm very happy with it. Never spent a dime since i got it. I will however have to change the high voltage battery fuse because that older model of fuse had small batteries which are at the end of their life but the new fuse won't need changing anymore. That's about $400. Other than that, need to change some wear things on the rear suspension because .. Performance and because .. i liked it a little too much :D
@@kleitosaliagas5668 that was to be understood by default :D i did many fishing trips with it and never spent a dime. i already put 10k km on it.
From what was said in the video, SuperCharging a battery every-time will shorten it's lifespan and hence you are accelerating it's degradation by doing so and lump sum energy cost (battery replacement) is pending. Hope you enjoyed it whilst it lasted.
I paid $21,700 for a 2022 model 3 with 25k miles on it. After the $5k I put down and the $3k ev tax credit I’ll be getting at tax time my loan is $13,700. With a payment of $280 a month. These cars are very much so attainable.
How did you find such a good deal??? I can barely find something as good as that
@@yisabc1 model 3 standard range 26k sticker. Will be eligible for the 4k federal tax credit to use toward down payment. Put an extra 5k down and you’re 18k.
One of the most honest and meaningful reviews I have ever encounter! Thanks so much
Really informative instead of opinionated as a lot of RUclips videos are. Keep up the good work. Thank you!!
One of the most informative and in my opinion correct assessments of early Model S. I run a 2014 P85 fitted with upgraded MCU (not really worth it) V2.5 door handles (V3 guts mounted on V1 back plates, with adaptor harnesses and new software) well worth it no more breaking door handles. At 35,000 the rear drive unit was replaced due to gear whine and 75,000 main battery pack (it had a slight coolent leak from new and on this hot day overheated putting car into snail mode) got home and theres an email from Freemont at 2am their time to say "we have detected a fault with your battery we have organised a replacement please call XXX" now thats what I call service, 2 days later job done.
I still love my RWD MS and find the way the RWD more refined than the 4WD plus 0-60 in 4 seconds still quick. And yes I like the nose cone and in pearl white black sunroof delete cream interior with black 19" wheels red calipers and carbon rear spoiler it still looks current and as you say people assume its a plaid saying the car looks new.
I love my upgraded MCU, improved speed, great for watching RUclips videos and coupled with my free connectivity it can’t be beat… I paid $1,500…
MCU upgrade totally worth it.
How much did you have to pay for the powertrain replacements? My biggest concern is these not being under warranty
@@johnraviella6561 Done under warenty....zero cost to me.
I had watched your older model S videos last year. This video was also very useful as I am thinking about buying a used model S myself this year. I like the model S over a model 3 and model Y because of the space it offers, the styling and the old fashioned stocks and buttons. Thanks for pointing out some of the things to look out for!
I just bought an old model s. It’ll be delivered tomorrow!
@@dylanf1238hinking of doing the same. Can you share how did you go about finding the right car? What were the things it "had to have"?
The S is def a superior car, the 3 and Y are the cheapest they could go at the moment.
Did you end up getting it ?
@@tedalen529 I did not get one. In my country the EV exemption of road tax (based on car weight) is ending. After that a heavy Model S would be taxed twice as much as an ICE car. Crazy policy. So I decided to get a VW Passat GTE plug in hybrid instead. That works for me right now. Batteries help me with 90 percent of my driving around town. Long distance I have to use gas. With rising gas prices here I am very pleased with my choice.
I have a 2020 Model Y and you are rite. In Autopilot i have many instances of ghost braking. I have trained myself to stab the throttle fast when it happens so i won't get rear ended.
Thank you for your excellent report. I rented a 2014 Model S from Turo a few months back It was only $42/day. Not bad and a great way to get that experience. The battery was degraded on it but I showed the owner how he could get more than 200 miles range from it again by changing it to chill mode. He was very appreciative of that as it bought him some toime to address that aging battery. But he also shared with me that he had learned that an entire battery might not need replacement, but rather simply swap out the modules which have the wose cells in it, Each module costs only $400, so that would likely cost significantly less that the full $14,000 for the full replacement. Also, he said that he had found some full after market battery packs for about $8,000.
Recently, the battery for the Nissan Leaf went Open-Source. It would be wonderful if Tesla did similarly as well allowing for more options.
Where do you get these serviced if not under warranty?
@@johnraviella6561 Yeah, he lied to you. There are no modules for $400. Complete and utter lie. And if some of the modules are failing, the others aren't far behind, especially if your swap modules so they are fully matched anymore. How many times do you want to pull the 1000lb battery? Like every weekend?
I am not sure for how many cycles are those Model S batteries rated, but modern batteries are tested for maybe even 300k miles, so if some cells fail at 80k miles, they are probably lemons that you can just replace.... it is kinda like if you had like 8 engine chains in your car, they should not fail at 80k... if one fails, does not mean other are ''not far behind'', it means the one that failed is a lemon @@JetFire9
@JetFire9 You can 100% replace individual cells. Nothing wrong with replacing individual cells.
@@harleyfolgadothe problem is. If one goes out the rest are probably going to follow. So are you going to take apart the vehicle everytime.
Nice, balanced piece. Thanks for your perspective.
Mine is pretty similar but without autopilot. Almost 10 years old now and 300.000 kilometers. Runs fine so far.
Five years with a high mileage early Model S and I do now regret it. In April of 2020 I bought a 2013 Model S85 from the original owner, the main drive unit and main display had already been replaced under warranty @90K miles. That meant that the car I bought was on it's second drive unit and display (@96K miles). In the summer of 2023 I began experiencing episodes of the drive unit cutting out during normal driving. Within a year the issue became worse, and by the Fall of 2024 it was happening almost every time I drove the car. So in mid-November 2024 I drove it to the local Austin, TX service center and on the drive there it cut out 3 times. When I got there they said I should leave it with them (without an appointment) because it was a "safety issue". The diagnosis (the same day) was that the drive unit was failing and had to be replaced. My choice: do nothing and have eventual total drive unit failure requiring a costly tow to the nearest service center or make the replacement now. I authorized the replacement~ $6700 (out of warranty). The car has 140,000 miles now and is on it's 3rd drive unit. If I had known that this was a possible issue, I never would have bought the car back in 2020. This may not be typical for all early Model S's, but I was unlucky enough for it to happen to mine. Three (3) drive units in 140,000 miles of normal driving is not my idea of a dependable car.
There's very little use for your opinions about repair when you're secretive about the expenses. "Didn't cost as much as I expected" doesn't mean anything.
what do you think a battery cost? those are such minor expenses, it's not worth mentioning even.
Shut up
Bro, Nashville is 5 hours from Dayton and I drove back and forth in the same day in a Tesla. You made it sound like Nashville is as far as Dallas or something.
Watching Jan 24. Used Teslas are not expensive anymore!!
15k model s has me 👀 👀 👀
Man he is 100% right about the FSD just slamming on the brakes out of nowhere. It sometimes seriously acts like a 16-year-old who just got their learner's permit. And with each 'release', it's not getting any better.
Tesla is supposed to be a software company, not a car company. Well, after owning one, I can tell you they suck at being a car company, but they are even worse at being a software company!
It very much is getting better per update, plenty of videos show that
I’ve never experienced this road tripping with my brothers 22’ M3, with probably 16 hours of driving on autopilot.
A bug got splattered on a front grill sensor.
that was the fsd beta the new fsd is literally almost indistinguishable from human drivers 0 intervenions
7 to 10 more years? I'll keep my 1997 GMC, seems to work fine still. To be fair, it sits a lot, and mostly just hauls my ladders and tools, but age and 185,000 miles and hardly any maintenance hasn't hurt it.
No one cares about your ancient truck 😂
@@Charlesbjtown When a Tesla reaches that age I might buy one. Mine's not the only one, I see them all the time still running. If they end up in the junk yard in 10 years, I'm really not interested.
Great review. Both Pro’s and Con’s .. real world experience. Not a paid review like most 👍🏼
@@jonvb2439 wrong .. they never had commercials. But social network “ reviews”
It is most definitely possible
If you get the chademo adaptor for your Tesla , you can charge at Nissan free . Now , what is good about the chademo is that it tapers the charge when you get to 90% range . It protects the battery - though I only charge my leaf every 1 - 2 weeks as I work from home . But I also follow battery discipline - don’t charge the leaf till it’s at about 50- 33 % . Battery is still under war - Nissan dealers are everywhere but if I want to go out of state I get on my goldwing .
CHADEMO adapter for Tesla tops at 50KW. Very slow. I have one used it once to test it. Never used it again. This was my review ruclips.net/video/bZ1VXy_9TC4/видео.html
Great review. I love the nose cone too.
While I agree that road tripping an EV is not great due to charging times, it’s definitely doable. Tesla’s supercharging network is sooooo much better in my experience than the options for non-Tesla’s. (I own a Kia Niro EV but often rent model 3’s on business trips)
I have a differing opinion on ownership cost, I put 140K mi on a Toyota Avalon Hybrid I bought used, it never needed anything but the scheduled maintenance (60, 90, 120, 150k) plus oil changes…EV’s particularly Tesla’s just don’t have most of these needs. No Transmission Fluid to change every 30K, no oil every 5-10K (Toyota recommends 10K interval on synthetic), no spark plugs. I didn’t have a break service need in that car except fluid replacement as most Tesla owners do and both have coolant though an IcE car replaces coolant every 30K, most Tesla owners go much longer. My Kia with 33K mi has been in every 7500 (4 services now) all have just been inspections and tire rotations, the last one topped off a fluid and changed the cabin air filter, total spend of $100. My point? Even doing the maint yourself, the Tesla is still cheaper to maintain because there are far fewer things to service.
There are a great review of long-term (300K mi) model s where the owner kept track of all costs of maint and gas in his previous Subaru vs Model S, the Tesla was far less than 1/2 of the cost over the same number of miles.
Lastly, while battery replacements are expensive, there are other options with Electrified Garage and similar companies with a growing number of service centers that can repair them for much much cheaper.
Thanks for taking the time to do your review, I have loved the Model 3’s I’ve rented through Hertz but my love for the Model S look has me planning for a used one of those after my lease is up on my Kia and your video helped get me closer to that!
Very good points indeed.
Also wanted to point out that Tesla has always said they prioritize safety first which explains why they would have that fuse to kill the battery.
We also have to remember this was nearly $100,000 back in the day. The range on this car has nearly doubled now. The battery technology is much better. Would have been better to make references to a Mercedes S class or 7 series. Lastly there are videos on how a model 3 is now cheaper to own in the long run than a Camry.
It's doable to hitchhike across the country too.
Super helpful, learned two new things: non-beta ap2 cars aren’t being shipped with radar or ultra sonic sensors anymore, and no power to battery if airbags are deployed.
I really enjoyed your review. It was very clear, understandable and informative. Thank you. Your story hits home with me since after a long and painstaking thinking and roller coasting on finding and buying a used affordable Tesla, I got myself a 2017 model X a few weeks back. I love having & driving it but since I’m new to such expensive EVs, I’m a bit nervous & fearful of what if .. your review gave me some confidence that I should probably have. Thanks again
I’m glad for the honest review here. I’m currently in the market for a used car, or possibly a lease. I was considering a Tesla, either a lease because they got so cheap recently, or a used one since the prices have fallen dramatically. I have a long commute (120 miles) so the idea of an EV was appealing because I would save a lot on gas. But the more and more I look into reviews, watch videos and see customer feedback, the more and more unreliable any EV seems. A lot of the other manufacturers either have not enough range so I would be constantly stuck with range anxiety, or there have just been catastrophic issues where I would consider the car a safety hazard. The overall build quality on Teslas just seems to be poor, so I have a hard time believing that if I buy a used one it’ll last me for the next 10 years, so it would feel like a waste of money. I like the idea of an EV, but I just don’t see any modern EV as reliable enough to be a good car
Doesn’t seem to be paying attention so to each his own.
I just bumped into this video and I think it is quite informative. Did you finally get an EV? I am in some ways in the same boat as you - long commute (120 miles) and I am looking into an EV to save on gas. What's your experience like in case you got an EV?
So much of what you said is spot on. The fsd is terrifying.
Jesus that accident must have been terrifying
Great show. I did not know about the fuse that severs the battery from the motors when the airbags go off.
That's a safety thing with many car manufacturers, including Audi and BMW. I'm shocked most people don't know this and make it sound like a Tesla invention.
What a brilliant and an honest review which is informative and engaging all the way. Thank you!
Depending on how bad the GAS car accident is. It will shut down all systems to. Called the inertia switch
I’m so glad I never had to deal with the very early versions of “ full self driving” (still don’t know how they can legally call it that.) I just got a model Y and have experienced V12 which is a very mature version of the product and it has waaaay less hiccups. If anything it’s TOO cautious in certain situations and I’ll take that any day over it making dangerous mistakes.
2 year update?
My own 2015 MS85D now has over 227,000 miles and 87% battery .. and still looks and drives as new. It isn’t worth anything in the marketplace with that many miles, so I just keep driving it :). I know it seems crazy .. but these cars really last and I would not be afraid of buying them.
Glad you were okay. One if the major deciding factors on buying our Model S was its top ranked safety scores.
I agree that 19’s ride smoother, quieter, and less expensive than 21’s, but we kept our 21’s fir their appearance fwiw.
Cleaning and lubricating the sunroof seals should rid it of that sound and make it last for years trouble-free.
A Tesbros satin chrome delete and a front bumper refresh, along with an infotainment upgrade will give your 2015 a nice bump in appearance and functionality, but to each their own.
Glad you were able to find a suitable replacement for your P85. Our P85+ is still going strong, thankfully, with 90% battery retention at 150k miles.
The performance bushings have started to make ticking sounds when turning at low speeds, but not a big deal, though will eventually replace it if starts making more noise. Other than that, it’s been solid.
We have almost exclusively Supercharged our S and plan to continue to do so. fwiw, we keep the SOC mostly between 30%-80%, as to balance out any possibe degradation from supercharging. With California gas prices being what they are, we have saved a combined $50k by Supercharging for free (grandfathered) instead of pumping gas, which includes not having to pay for oil changes,tune ups, smog, etc. - with that much saved, if I had to pay for a full $13k battery replacement, I’d still be far ahead financially as it’s already paid for itself in gas savings alone. Simply put, buying our used Model S was the best car buying decision ever.
The free supercharging is nice, but Tesla is doing a good job of removing them from the road one way or another. Without free supercharging, your savings would not be so compelling. You will have a battery failure soon. I can feel it in my balls. And probably a drive unit too. 😂😂😂
@@JetFire9 you should probably get your balls checked 😂
@@evolv.e It's coming baby! You are going to get screwed by a Tesla SC! They will send you a special OTA that will force you to visit them. LOL!
Sooner or later you're going to have increased registration costs for BEV's. Ice cars pay the taxes for the roads through the gasoline taxes. EVs do not. So sooner or later you're registration for a BEV is going to be 5 to 10 times that of a typical ice equivalent. Also premiums are rising from insurance companies on BEV's because of the cost of collision repairs.
And if you buy a new Tesla that cost you $126, 000 last year and then you get in a wreck you will find that the insurance company will only pay for 60k and you're going to be saddled with the other 60K while you have to go purchase another car. A lot of Tesla owners are feeling that underwater problem.
I will maintained ice will last just as long and cost probably a tiny bit more over the time as compared to a Tesla or other BEV. However each of those repairs for the ice is going to be generally doable and not that expensive. If you get a reliable ice that has a good reputation for his transmission and engine then the worse you're going to have is water pumps starters batteries ball bearing suspension like shocks and struts. You know replacing engine mount brackets things like that. But a Tesla when those motors fail those things are not cheap at all. And you have to replace the entire thing. It's not like your motor in an ice vehicle has bad water pump. Those motors in a Tesla go out it's gone forever. Also tow trucks are starting to refuse to pick up b e v's because of the risk of thermal run away on there vehicle and the road that they travel on. Because if that b e v thermal runaway fire damages the road the wrecking company is responsible for the damage. That's one of the other reasons why premiums for insurance on BEV's is beginning to rise considerably.
And once the government subsidies go away, these BEVs even model threes are outside of the range of most people in the United States who work for a living. And who use vehicles as appliances not as trophies.
The other thing to remember is that people who live in rentals and apartments can't honestly own a BEV unless they're near a supercharger. Or the apartment complex for some bizarre reason because we all know how generous rental property owners are put in charging units, they'll probably charge you to use the charging unit. So people in apartments can't really utilize BEV's unless it's for short trips and they can get to a charging station with relative ease. But if everybody in that apartment complex has a BEV you better have a lot of charging places for them. And it's not like they can just fill up the tank in 5 minutes and leave. Especially on busy days when they're going to work. And renters don't have the option to modify the building they rent to put in a fast charger.
In my opinion the market for the BEV's is saturated now. Because it's people who can one afford these vehicles to afford the cost of replacing tires every 35,000 mi, ability to modify their home for fast charging. So ice is going to be around for a long time. Hybrid ice is a nice option and that's how Toyota is going. Look full-on BED adoption, the infrastructure doesn't exist for it. I really don't care how many superchargers you put around the country When you have hundreds of millions of DEV's on the road the infrastructure that we have from the power stations to the delivery does not exist. And in order for it to exist that means the electric companies are going to have to spend money which means you're going to be whacked in the ass in your bill and your taxes.
@@NinkSink sorry, but I found everything you just typed very questionable. 🤨
Admirably well articulated. Subscribed, thank you.
Correct me if I'm wrong but most of modern ice cars also have piro fuses and they also activate in the same manner. So basically you would be sitting in a bmw or vw exactly the same way as you did in tesla.
9:50 I just had the mobile service change the 12v battery in my 2018 Model 3 Long Range. The total price was $116! The only aftermarket battery I could find in our local parts stores was $279 to it was a great deal to have them do it!
Hi, about that pyrofuse, newer gas cars have that too, its not only on tesla, and like on a ev it functions the same, after the airbag deploy, you cant start the car
Was going to say the same thing!
The safety for deploying the airbags where the car can not move is also a crime safety feature. For example, if a Tesla hit you that means they can not run away. No more hit and run.
Excellent content! Great job.
Good review. My 2014 S 85 has 146K miles and has been pretty much trouble free (tires, LV battery, right window regulator). My advantage is free, unlimited supercharging linked to the VIN, so free for me, and free for the next owner(s). Streaming and realtime navigation are also free. I've saved between $2 - 2.5K/year because of the free supercharging. So from an economic standpoint, it beats gas & hybrid (I had a Volt as well) alternatives.
Regarding the "Combustion cars rarely have catestrophic failures" thing, my 2010 Golf GTI suddenly lost power and basically wouldn't accept any throttle at all and I had to get it towed. It sounds like you were able to drive your Model S to the service centre no problem. I would probably prefer you cite statistical data rather than random anecdotes regarding this kinda thing because you can come away with some pretty untrue assertions otherwise. Often these battery degredation errors are fine for many days or weeks.
My co-worker got in a very minor t-bone, just enough to blow the airbags in a brand new ICE volvo. (very minor body damage, but it took 6 months to get the replacement headliner because it was a new generation car) It locked the e-brake and had to be dragged onto a flatbed tow. Its not just EVs that lock up in fender benders or worse.
Excellent input on your experience with a Tesla. One thing to point out is that your battery failure was basically the largest failure a vehicle could have. Equivalent to an IC engine just outright failing. While $13K is by no means cheap for any car, I don't think you'd do much better getting a new engine for an IC car in the same class as a model S. Just saying. Good content.
Actually, I would put it more like both the engine and transmission failing at the same time. Let's face it, an ICE is going to have failures and rebuilds as well, and they are not cheap to fix. Battery prices will continue to come down, and refurbishing battery modules will become more common place, making them even cheaper to maintain. A couple years ago I saw Tesla battery packs getting pulled and assessed, with a few bad cells being replaced to make it as good as new for $5k.
Maybe, but here is the thing. Total engine failure on ICE is not really a thing. Especially not suddenly. I don't think I personnally know anyone who had one replaced.
My 2005 F150 4x4 motor replacement was over 6k
@kolle128 it sure is a thing... no idea why you think it doesn't happen???
@@kolle128true for battery failures as well.
Good, candid talk. Thank you.
Such a good review. Please do more
Great video. Very well thought out and organized.
First time seeing your videos. Terrific analysis and clearly explained. I agree with the 100% EV future. So many use cases for ICE or hybrid vehicles that are superior than EVs.
Great video, very well explained , I currently own a 2018 model s, and was worried about up coming problems that I might face as well, and I totally agree with you on the super charging on the car, I really feel that it will lessen the life span on the battery as well, my car has never, and will never see a super charger station, and I also agree on the customer service from the company, I love the car, but when people ask me about it, I tend to give the the good, and a lot of the bad, knowing what I know now after owning it for 5 years, I wouldn't do it again, mostly do the the extremely poor customer service, I would also like to add that they discontinued the sunroofs , and I understand why, I had a Crack that wasn't under warranty, Tesla realized that it's a stress Crack from opening and closing it, they won't admit it, but I did some research on it, and that was the cause, 12 hundred dollars later. Keep up the great videos, and most of all, I'm glad that everyone was ok. New Subscriber here.
I have been considering the purchase of an older Tesla Model S, and so have been perusing experienced-based reviews like this one. But wow, I'm very impressed with the balanced and articulate review that I stumbled across here. Good job sir! The bottom line is: even if one is fond of Teslas, and thinking of getting one for your daily driver, you will still be living in the real world with your decision; with all its advantages and deficiencies, just like any other car. And while this review didn't scare me off of considering one, it will enter heavily into my decision.
With time, you'll be able to look back and realize buying that Model S was the worst car decision of your life. Enjoy!
buying 10 years old EV good luck.
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wow and honest review from a TESLA owner! so rare
Thanks! I love your honesty, and critical analysis showing pros ans cons!
😂 fascinating review I learned a lot. What really got me was that beautiful blue Firebird. That front bumper I don't even recognize ...it is stunning.
I thinking of also buying a model s, so a really honest review is very helpful
GM did right by the Bolt in the end, replacing all the batteries, even good ones. I now own a 2017 Bolt w/ 90k miles, and a 2017 Volt with 50k miles. What GM did wrong was kill the Voltech powertrain. The Volt is the best EV choice for someone who has access to one car. I'm getting 45-50 miles a charge in the summer, and if I run that out, I just use gas. Go back home, and charge it up for the next day.
The Prius Prime is close to it, but the total range is lower and the powertrain setup is different and not as good IMO.
I wanted a Chevy volt for a long time, and when I finally got the money for a new car, discovered they no longer made them 😢 I ended up going with a bolt EUV which I just traded in for an id4
Love the review. A suggestion from a Model S owner, try using the precondition feature in the app! I use it primarily to get the battery up to temp, but it always uses the climate control. Some other hacks I use are to set the destination to a supercharger, to get the car to heat up the battery.
But... I've been getting shafted by Tesla Service Center with repairs. Scared to buy another one, definitely will be cautious.
Here's to many more miles!
Almost all modern vehicles in an accident that causes deployment of air bags will disable the engine as well. Some have reset switches that require you to exit the car to access.
The best review of a Tesla I’ve seen- Wow
I just bought a used 2022 Model 3 rear-wheel drive for $18,900.00 after the $4000 government federal rebate. That makes this car's out-the-door price of around $23,000 more than $26,000 cheaper than a new 2024 RWD Model 3, and mine has almost all of the features of the 2024 version. The car is immaculate and looks brand new, and it came with 77,000 miles on it. So, the battery is still under warranty, as is the drive train. I ran a third-party check on the battery condition, and it's between 95% - 97% of its original capacity, which is excellent. It has a range of 253 miles and will go 0-60 in 5.3 seconds. It also has the LFP battery, which is the most durable battery Tesla makes, with the possible exception of the new Cyber Truck battery, which I know nothing about. LFP batteries can have as many as 4000 charging cycles and still retain 80% of their capacity - which equates to over 17 years of charging. Several reviews of Tesla Model 3s with 300,000 or more miles show the cars have over 90% of their original battery capacity, and these are the cobalt lithium-ion batteries, not the LFP batteries, which are more durable and long-lasting. Also, it does not damage LFP batteries if you charge them to 100%. They are designed to allow full charges.
I recently charged it on a Tesla supercharger from 30% to 100%, which is over 200 miles of range, for $8.61. My Toyota Tacoma truck would cost roughly $56.00 for that 200-mile range. When I get my home charger installed, charging costs will be about 50% cheaper. Right now, my utility charges about $0.12 per KWH, so I will be able to charge my Model 3 from 0-100% for $7.68 using home charging, and that is for the full 253-mile range. My Tacoma would cost over $90.00 to fill up from empty (it has a 22-gallon gas tank).
I can't speak to the reliability issues you experienced with your Model S sedans, but the Model 3 RWD is turning out to be one of the most, if not the most, reliable EVs on the road. The 2022 Model 3 had some build quality issues when it came out, and I am not including those issues because Tesla has corrected them. They included water leaking into tail lights, leaks at the glass top, rattles, and uneven gaps at the metal edges of the vehicle.
Mine did have moisture in the passenger side rear taillight, but the dealer I bought it from replaced it with a new taillight for free. Also, if the road is rough, substantial noise can be transmitted to the cabin. But that would be true for almost all vehicles, with the possible exception of six-figure luxury cars. When you have a reasonably good road, the interior is very quiet.
The suspension is firm but surprisingly comfortable and competent. Near my house, there are a set of brutal speed dips that force drivers to slow to the 25 mph speed limit. With my Tacoma, if I hit those speed dips too fast, my rear suspension would bottom out harshly. My Model 3 suspension does not bottom out and absorbs the impact comfortably, which impresses the hell out of me.
The car came with full self-driving (FSD) capability and an excellent autopilot mode, so it came with the advanced AMD CPU, which enables these upgrades. It also has beta Autosteer, which keeps your car in the lane you are in and performs really well. It even senses when a car moves into your lane on your blind side and adjusts to avoid a collision.
I honestly cannot imagine owning a better car. For $18,900, this car was a steal. It will literally pay for itself in gas savings and maintenance in about five years or less, depending on how much I drive. The insurance from Tesla is $165.00 a month (my insurance quoted me $220 a month). Both of these costs are on par with a luxury compact gasoline car like a BMW M3.
So far, my experience has been radically different from yours. However, I just bought my Tesla, so I will have to wait a year to see if any of the problems you encountered come up.
If your tacoma is bottoming out on a speed bump/dips. You have suspension issues. Or you have yours lowered?
There is no way a tacoma would be bottoming out and your tesla isn’t. 🤔
@dnegel9546 No the suspension was 13 years old. But I replaced it with $1500 upgraded after market 2 inch coil over shocks and it still didn't handle the speed dip well. My Tesla Model 3 suspension handles the speed dip better. But the suspension on the truck is designed to carry 1000 lb loads, so that is why it is stiffer without a load.
These speed dips are designed to bottom out your suspension if you go too fast. They are much worse than speed bumps. Far worse than speed bumps. They are brutal and they force drivers to slow down in the residential neighborhood.
I have a similar car, great car
If you don’t mind me asking where did you buy the used car from; was it from Tesla, an online dealer or a local dealer. You did get a steal considering it has fsd
@Antrix108 Not at all. I bought it from a dealer named Wii Auto Sales, in the Phoenix, Arizona metro area. You can Google the name and find them.
Also, it does NOT have FSD. However, I can add FSD to the car for $99.00 a month. I got a free FSD trial, and I really didn't like using it.
Liked your video, thanks for it. Also loving my old 2015 MS 85D even there're some minor thing going bad, but that I consider to be normal on a car which has done over 240k km so far. I agree with the AP1 quality, it's unbeatable in my optinion. MCU1 is also working still well even with some bubbles :) Supercharging is very fast as after a year of ownership I have upgraded to 100kWh battery => much recommended if you travel long distances. Free SuC is also a great perk! Much enjoyed it during my trips around Europe. Model S is also very practical also for a big family which might not be as clear on a first sight. If you have pano roof, you can mount roof racks. You can also mont "trailer" hitch for mounting a bike holder on the back. The car also looks great as we don't like the MX and MY bulky look, M3 would be acceptable, but not that practival without the liftback concept. MS is just gorgeous, quite low and very very wide makes people look after it even it's 11years on the market now! Still love the car and will keep it as long as possible ;)
How did you end up getting the 100 pack? I heard TSLA won’t do the upgrade so did you go aftermarket? If so, what providers would you recommend
I absolutely turn my head, whenever I see a Model S - new or old 👍
@@tafl-9198 Exactly...it's a beauty ;) Love it every day...
@@thevagetarian3604good question @tafl
Awesome review and very honest.
Great video. Balanced review. I will be buying an EV for my next car.
@Poydra- You’ll be driving an EV in the not too distant future, you just don’t know it yet. You heard it here first.
Some good points here. Service by tesla is so important and they should make it accessible.
great narration, lots of information, never boring
While he says fail less problem is my ICE a "failure" has been minor stuff like a 19 yrs. old EVAP valve going bad, car drove fine, MIL was on, friend scanned my car for free, got a used part at pick-a-part for$11 and four years later, it is still working. BEV failures tend to be massive and costly, and they rake you over coals because ONLY Tesla can service it and charge whatever they want.
Also of note, Prius and many pure BEV for that matter have the standard OBD2 port and up to date scanner you can analyze at home.
You can do bidirectional and test modules. Tesla is only one I know of who purposefully left off the OBD2 connector for $$$
From the sound of that sunroof, I would seek some form of lubricant to eliminate that dragging sound that is wearing it out.
I'm with you on the MCU upgrade. I have the MCU 1 and while the upgrade would be nice, it isn't worth the nearly $2,500 price tag for Netflix, which i wouldn't watch or a faster internet which I wouldn't use. The only reason I'd want the upgrade was for the rear sentry cam and side cameras while backing up but that's it.
I had to step out and cross a highway just outside Chicago- in the winter with no coat just a small sweater. It was so damn scary. I ran out of gas - it’s never happened to me - I had to walk about a mile or 2 and buy a gas container and use that for 2 gallon. Then walk back and cross. Man the speed of those cars - woo. Glad your good and hopefully the Tesla is doing well
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
7:32 you should make a video on your home server :)
Just an FYI. Some gasoline vehicles have the same feature as Tesla when it comes to the airbags deployment disabling the vehicle. I got rear ended by a lady in a Volvo that had that same problem. The car was drivable but because her airbags deployed the car wouldn’t start or go into gear.
Nicely done vehicle. At 10:50, a warning popped up and you drove the vehicle to the service center for repair. I don't think I would consider that an abrupt failure, it didn't strand you since it was still drivable. It would have been better if Tesla was more open regarding drivability in that state though.
Good video. Good and fair assessment. Thank you.
Thank you so much for such an honest and balanced review.
I'm on the brink of buying a 2018 Model S here in the UK, tempted by having plenty of warranty left and a luxury car to enjoy on my daily commute. Plus, my employer offers free charging... Making my long daily commute almost free.
Completely agree about the wheel size, that's been my sentiment for quite a while.
Will make sure I get one without those seats 👍
Mine S got us 285.000mls in 9 years. Original battery rebuilt a year and a half ago, back to 96% from 11% (!). But nothing major really, a few bad cells causing shortcuts were replaced. I already preventively had the motor rebuilt, too. At the same time as the battery. Luckily, since it was instantly obvious it would not last much longer after opening it up. My son (the original owner) changed a few things, too, some electronic something. All under warranty, nothing major. Car is now ready for another 200.000mls, I wastold, I hope it does. Best car ever (meaning cheapest to run).
Great video 😎 I am not sure how many cars come with a pyro fuse that pop when the airbags go off but it is not unique to Tesla. I know Porsches have that as well. The engine will not start until the pyro fuse is replaced. On the 992 GT3 RS you have to remove the entire dash just to access it 😬
How much did the new 90kw/hr battery and installation cost you??
You are definitely safer staying in the car. Most deaths occur when someone is walking on the freeway, even sitting on the guard rail.
Most of the time with Teslas when high voltage battery dies, it's just a single cell in one of the packs. That's why you were still able to drive it. There are some mechanics shops where they know how to replace this cell, and this can sometimes cost less than 1000$. But it depends on the model, some model ys and 3s can't even open the battery pack.
I feel like majority of FSD complaints come from Tesla’s advertising issue where they present it as being useful in cities (or more like the lack of them pointing out that it is mainly for highways. Yes its in a fine print on the order sheet but let's be honest, it isn't the easiest thing to spot). I haven’t had issues with highway FSD at all. I don’t really bother with city traffic just from the amount of cyclists, pedestrians, etc cutting in/walking onto the road and my car slamming the brakes. The phantom braking during highway cruise was a issue a few updates ago but seems to have largely fixed itself. My M3P is the HW3 non-radar generation car.
Tesla doesn’t advertise
Present what? Tesla doesn't advertise, just now recently is considering it.
great video...what do you know about or recommend re: buying an extended warranty on say a 2017 Tesla S ? that's currently out of warranty..lets' say that has 100k miles? thanks in advance!
On sudden ICE engine fail, you are wrong: it happens plenty. My sister owned 2011 Subaru Impreza from new, at 76,000 miles coolant hose sprung a leak and engine was toast in 30 seconds. My older Subaru lost an internal coolant seal on previous EJ series and was toast in 30 seconds, had to push it off the highway in 8 deg F weather. It happens
2019 Acura MDX 105,000 miles, time for a Timing Belt Replacement & Valves Adjustments and through in a water pump while we're in there. $3,200 at the Dealer in San Jose, $2,900 at a private mechanic in Santa Clara. Gas cars are Cheaper to Maintain??? It is May 2014 and repair prices have been shooting UP ⬆.
Great report though!!
What year is this one this the one I want
I will say that it used to be that way. I had a Range Rover and Mercedes and their service has moved to online appointments and only when you show up will they speak to you. It is getting hard to get good service anywhere.
Sorry to say, but the pyro fuse is the same in internal combustion cars. (Same happened to me in a 2007 Saab). Other than that: Thanks for the very comprehensive way to approach the subject of repairs and costs!
Very informative. Get Lasik, you won't regret it.
Good video. I, too, rent an ICE car for long road trips. Usually, I drive back roads and go to obscure places that don't have level 2 charging let alone fast charges. The ICE just simplifies the whole process and eliminates getting stranded. But I don't think I'll ever go back to an ICE for a daily driver.
Finally someone who agrees with me on those damn disturbing seats, I had a 2022 model three rented from Hertz for Uber and I drove it 16,000 miles in three months so I was in that seat a lot it was horrible on me killed my thighs made you hunch Forward you could never adjust it to a decent position the only way I fixed it was sitting on a full-size pillow long ways under my legs so I got some support under my thighs by the knee
It’s important to mention warranty’s not really being a thing , you can get a 2018 model 3 long range newer tech gets updates and overall a better quality car vs the first s’ that came out
Nice review thank you
Do you plan on doing a third year review of your car? If so, I’d love to hear it. I am considering buying a used model S and enjoy all the information. Thank you very much. Take care.
FSD beta and auto pilot are getting better not getting worse
bro I really like your video. thanks for sharing your personal experience
i've been supercharging my p85d everyday from 20-25 to 80%for a year now.
i wonder how log my battery pack will last
Very informative! What r ur checklist for when looking at used S? Especially on battery check/condition? Thanks!
More modern Teslas will tell you what the error means on the screen. You tap on it in the alerts menu and it loads up the documentation.
Also, you actually can call up Tesla and ask any questions you want. I've done this at least twice when ordering and questions on taking my Model 3 for service on a defect with some interior trim.
Thanks for keeping the local pollution down in your local area.
I watched through this entire video. Really great video
Thank you! Videos of this length take a lot more time and effort to create, so I appreciate the kind words.