So, everyone focuses on how much more expensive this phone is compared to previous OP phones. In my mind this is a very specific thing they have done. Kia, Mazda and other Asian auto companies applied this same marketing technique to break into a market that was already crowded. Create a product that is solid if unspectacular, under cut pricing of the current market to get the product in hands and the name on tongues. Then slowly ramp up the product a little each year until it matches the rest of the market and then you can charge the same and compete. All by design.
Exactly, and people knew that from the beginning. The Oneplus One was suspiciously inexpensive, and each model after that was slightly more money. The writing has been on the wall for a long time. Maybe that last $200 jolt caught some people off guard? This is going to be a big transition in customer base for them, will be interesting to see how well it works.
Honestly speaking for 900$ people will buy iphone 11 ...Majority will be satisfied by apple logo the camera and iOS . yeah display and refreshrate is good but it will hardly change tHeir mind ..
That's exactly what I was gonna say. It seems every OnePlus review from every well-known tech reviewer is biased in one way or other. Just look at the way the reviews of OP devices come out. It's always in unison and most of them will say it's the best phone out there right now. Now compare that to other flagship releases. None of them will have a review on day one. And, none of the reviewers will say it's the best flagship available right now, no matter how good the device is. All in all, it seems OnePlus has all of these reviewers in their pockets. Now, I'm waiting to see what OnePlus will bring next on the table. So far, OnePlus was all about bringing what other top-tier brands offered at a lower price point. Now that they are in the big league, you're supposed to bring innovation to the table. Will they be able to deliver innovative products? I frankly don't think so. You can kick a cleaner UI ball for so long you know...
Well the selfie cam is just unusable in any app other than the camera app. The preview just looks super smoothed out without any quality. The main cams have a great quality but a stuttery preview.
@@ykx777 there's lots of post processing involved and apps like Snapchat only capture the cameras preview. So if the lighting isn't perfect the pictures don't look as good as with other phones. Ik it's an Android problem in general but it's much more noticeable with the 8 pro than my old note 8. The stuttery camera is just a lower fps preview than it's actually when you're filming. The last thing I've noticed is sometimes super flat pictures do just using the vivid filter makes most pictures a lot better when not interested in working on every phone snapshot with lightroom
@@anujdaniel1771 Anuj Daniel Well I just said that the app devs suck and don't allow me to use the camera quality to it's fullest extent. But like I said before it's an Android problem in general.
"Thumbs if you liked it, subs if you loved it".. This phrase, it kinda automatically pops up in mind now whenever i see his videos coming to an end. And weirdly i look forward to it, lol.
13:39 hit a nail right in the coffin. The phone is getting heat because of expectations. For the quantity and quality of components, oneplus is really a steal at this price even today.
This video is so honest that he just spoke what he truly felt about the phone,the way he was telling is truly exceptional Others are like making scripts and then saying everything without a pause
Honestly I don't know what is wrong with that. I admit that the regular 8 might be a bit overpriced, but people just yell at them what they want and at this point there is no way to keep such a low price tag on them. And prices also grow each year.
@@LAvision morally yea.. but sadly all that matters is bringing in more money... thou i dont think op is competitive enough brand wise for majority of the consumer bade to buy an op phone at that price over the Galaxy or pixel
Yes! I don't know why you want such high end especifications on a phone, mobile game aren't still taking seriously, just play cod mobile and then any fps game on pc (even cod) and you'll see the diference.
@@youtubeguyb4647 Honestly, they have a different OS so it's impossible to kill Apple. Even on that battle, sadly the iPhone 11 and SE 2020 will have a sales record.
Dave I want to thank you for how honest and fair your reviews are. You really lay things out plainly and you don't f*** around. This is super valuable.
I have like the complete opposite opinion lol I quite like the blue on the phone but I thought he was pointing them out the cases to tell us how fugly they are haha
@@KuroshiKun generally 1+ always highlights the cases with every new phone. I got op6 with all the official cases. So I thought Dave was "plugging" the new cases. I never use my sandstone btw for the afformentioned cracking
@@utkarshrajatri They aren't independent. They respond in one way or another to their mother company. No company in this world is independent, if it's owned by a mother company. Yeah, you have the ability to have your say, but the bigger picture / the vision will most likely come from the mother company. Oneplus is basically OPPO phones, targetted towards west while oppo are targetted towards asian countries. It's BBK's way of reaching both spectrums of the market, something that they couldn't have done with Oppo.
@1ceb0xcfbl they can’t increases their sales using the branding BBK, they don’t have the whole budget of BBK, and they are also competing with their sister phones. So leaving the major decisions aside it’s really up to OnePlus to increase their market share which was super low just a few years back.
At this moment Samsung S20+ in Canada(SPC 20% off + 200 dollars trade in discount for flip phone) is 200-400 dollars cheaper than the oneplus 8 Pro(5% student discount) depending on storage size
@@KuroshiKun they do actually ... like mark from mark's tech and a few more.. the key is those who bought themselves always mention the discounts but the ones who got it for free from the company, doesn't.
Seems to me that with the coming " Z" they are going back to their roots. One thing that annoys me about OP users is that with each of the phones' iterations, there were complaints that its got "no wireless charging or effective waterproofing .." So One Plus adds these features...and the price goes up. Now the complaints are " It's gone up in price" What did they expect ? So I'm hoping the Z goes back to one plus basics. A stripped down phone that does what it does really well, - but at a great price.
issue with them "going back to their roots" is that they arent actually going back to their roots to make flagship killers, because they wouldnt want to kill their own business. for example, the oneplus nord does not have a flagship chip like an old oneplus would've, even though it is at a cheaper price point like before
When a phone includes everything what a flagship phone should have, then it costs a lot of money. So it's not fair to expect the phone at a lower price just bcz it has been in the past. Expensive parts costs money 💰
@Central Intelligence Agency Dude, I have a crappy Redmi 5 plus with Snapdragon 625 and my brother has note 8 exynos variant. His phone lags in ui, youtube and games while mine is rock solid. He factory reset his phone and it became snappy for like two weeks before returning to be sluggish again.
@Central Intelligence Agency It's worse. If you're buying a flagship why would you settle for a worse cpu? This shouldn't even be an option. If this was a mid class phone sure, why not. But for a flagship? It's a joke.
1:20 the reason why One-plus gets this display is because it is a full subsidiary of OPPO. And OPPO by all means, is NOT a small company, it is not that much smaller than Samsung and these displays are custom-ordered panel from Samsung, it is not the BEST they have that is the one on Samsung flagships, but it is the best they offers to other manufacturers . In fact, the one on the OP8 is the same one on OPPO ACE2 and the one on OP8 Pro are the same panel on OPPO Find X2/pro, you can consider OP8 pro as a reskined version of Find X2/pro intended for Western Market at a higher price. the same trick employed by auto makers as Badge-Engineering.
He forgot to mention the OP8 Pro (and possibly OP8) display is 10bit, that's around a billion colors versus 16 million on other 8bit displays like the S20 or iPHONE 11. Also it's display is 444nits brighter this year as well, totaling 1444nits.
Device screen doesn't necessarily set how comfortable it's to use. My last change was from 5,5 to 6 and the 6 inches one is more comfortable. Mostly thanks to screen-to-body ratio, how the body is designed, curved etc. You need to take a lot more into consideration than a screen size.
I don't understand people who want a phone smaller then the iPhones small 5.8 models. I can understand people who have small hands and I guess some people just really like small phones. I'd say 5.5-6.7 should be the min and max for phone size. :-)
that's cuz the phone is ho hum im staying with my 1+7 Pro which considering it's specs will serve me for YEARS im not paying a thousand dollars for a compromised screen i LOVE my 1+7 Pro
Honestly, every single phone is soooo good, i fail to see the need of a "flagship" phone. Heck, 250-350$ phones are amazing. I'm really shocked how good they are.
And not no mention old flagships have crazy good value right now too. Even the Oneplus 7 Pro is a great alternative and it has dropped in price significantly.
Flag ship phones are flag ships because they are the best of the best no compromise options. Budget phoned get you 80% of the way there but that extra 20% of performance is always exponentially more expensive. It's like that in PC gaming with CPUs and GPUs to simple things like a toaster
I own OnePlus 7 mclaren edition and it's pretty annoying to have to bring out the converter all the time I want to use ear phones. I'm not a fan of Bluetooth earphones so this is a bummer.
@@StayReal02 Hi, Could you tell how has your experience been with your phone after all the updates and would you suggest it if the price drops (which should post the launch of One+ 8)
@@HasanTayeeb, my experience with the phone is that everything except headphone jack and the very short amount of SOT battery (around 5 - 6 hours) is that the phone is almost 100% perfect - like in every way!! The camera is actually better than the iPhone 11 Pro max if you want nice Instagram photos. Oneplus 7T pro really shines here. Very vibrant colorful pictures, like you cannot complain if you want to be insta star here.. But the battery is very small, too small. I would expect at least 6000 mah battery if I have to pay 900 euros for this phone here in Sweden... And headphone jack but that's the trend for most phones unfortunately. Unless OP8 has a much better camera than this phone, then j wouldn't even buy OP8 just for the wireless charge system + that ugly camera hole cut on the front screen...
I always wait for Dave's review, seriously dude, you're amazingly sincere and talk the way it's supposed to be talked about tech. Not just reviewing specs we all can read everywhere, but making a point about how the product does stand in the market right now. You're the best dude!
I can feel the relief that he had at the end of the video. Expectations part was really difficult and bold to explain. It was really a hell of a review.👏
That’s how all smartphone brands want to progress. Initially they make a budget phone with great specs to grab the people’s attention to their brand and that’s how they tell the market “hey we’re here to stay” and they keep growing their user base and number of fans until when they think they have enough support from the people and coverage from the media (OnePlus 6T), then they start turning themselves into a premium brand (OnePlus 7 Pro)
7:01 compare them with ROG 2's speakers where Each of these uses a 5 magnet design and gets its own dedicated Smart NXP amplifier using DTS:X Ultra tech
This man plays PC games, mobile games, reviews phones & laptops, shoot and edit videos, and is up to date with all the news and still says he is doing RUclips as a part time. Man! how many hours do you have in a day? I want to learn time management from you.
Customers (to OnePlus): *"You were the chosen one! It was said that you destroy the flagship priced phones, not join them! Bring balance to our wallets! Not leave it in emptiness!"*
Watching MKBHD vids: Lets me dream/want more for my smartphone and other tech Watching Dave vids: Keeps me grounded and see beyond the glitter for efficient spending Good balance I should say 👌
I think the software part is a matter of taste. I tried both oxygen OS and One UI 2.0 and I'll give a slight edge to Samsung because of the one hand usability. ONE UI is great for those big phones. Besides Samsung packs a ton of features which can be more or less useful but at least you have the choice and that's what I like about Android. But If I had to choose I'd still go for OnePlus cause 3 years of guaranteed updates.
Thank you for your review. I really like this VDO and like how you explain things. It's so honest, valid and very clear. Like all the details you put in and it spot on
I'm glad to see such a long video from Dave, the content quality and also the way it's shot, coupled with the small clip length always leaves me wanting.
8T may have 120Hz display, a battery bigger than 8 less than 8pro, warp chage 30T and a SD865+ at a more affordable price tag😉 that's how i bought my 7T
@@arj1165 So how many reviewers are op paying?mkbhd,unbox therapy,mrwhosetheboss,linus,jerry etc etc etc.Apple and samsung fanboys just can't accept the fact that a company can launch a phone which is capable of competing against theirs
@@Acebean it's called clever marketing. They slowly worked their way up to this because this was their ultimate goal and now they're making the profits they wanted to make as a business. I like that.
As a poor man, I feel the deep maliciousness of the smartphone world, I love the cheaper Nexus phone, they kill it! I love the cheaper OnePlus phone, they kill it! From a OnePlus 6 user😥
I believe the new display carries the price jump a lot. That a 6.78 inch, 120Hz, *10 Bit* display there. As a 10 Bit panels it can potentially show you up to 1.07 Billions of color combination. It's a huge upgrade from your regular 8 Bit panels featured on most of the other flagships, which can show you up to 16.7 Millions of colors only.
@@groundzero1041 i really dont get why its so important to buy a phone with a ip68 water resistant rating like im not gonna go scuba diving with my phone tf
Get rid of the IP rating and wireless charging, which I dont even use, and we could have had a 600$ flagship killer...but nooooo--idiots need paper specs and a ugly ass hole on the screen. Ill buy the OP7Pro over this any day of the week
Everybody with 2 brain cells understands, that the 7 pro is the real value here. Forget the older 6, 6t, 7, 7t (small, no 90Hz, small batteries) and absolutely forget the 7T pro marketing scam! Wireless charging? Gimme a 5000-6000mAh (Motorola) cell and I wont need charging during day. At night it doesn't matter to you if you use wired charging near your bed. Punch hole Samsung clone? You regress and downgraded the screen Oneplus! WTF? ALL SCREEN is the future. Even the new K30 and much cheaper OPPO have it. People looks too much on the specs. If you drop your phone into a lake or pool, you are a retard and no IP rating can help with that. For rain, the non-IP coating , which is much cheaper, very much siffices. The OP phones get more expensive cause of popularity and suggestions to use IP68 and wireless shit. We could have had a 600$ phone now get a 900$ gimmick that looks dated. Oneplus 7 Pro is the BEST OP phone to date. Peace
My S7 has battery issues ever since I dropped it down a flight of stairs and now depending on the day, it almost burns my hands. Good news is that it survived the fall even without a case (albeit a messed up battery, extreme heat, missing buttons, cracked screen and badly damaged exterior) but it still works! Haha.
I have also noticed that the Architectural night scape mode is the best in One plus devices. I was really pleased with the images that came out while I was in Tokyo a while ago.
you're stupid to think adding wireless charging, ip rating, a better chipset and better camera wouldn't make the phone more expensive than last year's model
@@alien_fgc3218 yeah sorry guys lol exynos should be way way better in the next couple years since they're not using mongoose anymore, they're partnering with AMD for the chips, and they should be the first ones with 5nm and 3nm chips.
@@AmitDas-de5ft yeah sorry by "chip" I meant "soc" lol I know it's just the GPU part. Saying chip is just a force of habit with me. Like I work at T-Mobile so people would ask me "hey whats the chip in this phone" or something along those lines all the time so I adopted the admittedly incorrect terminology there. Considering how garbage Samsung's GPUs have been tho this AMD partnership should be great for them.
Good point. The Samsung's are always more expensive on release but are reduced in price within 6 months whereas the Oneplus phones always stay around the same price. So by the time the Oneplus 8T Pro is released this autumn the Samsung Galaxy S20 will be cheaper. I'm starting to think the only reason Oneplus release two phones a year is to keep the price from falling
This must be one of his LENGTHY video ever, a 15-min. video Stiill very entertaining until the very end. Very precise and o objective. No more bias and alibi.
I think this is the best android phone right now. Whatchu think?
Dave Lee too expensive
Op8 has better speakers than 8 pro in terms of punchy sounds
Dave Lee poor camera poor camera poor camera poor camera
For real
Dave Lee what will be the first 244Hz phone?
There's one guy that we can trust.
Honest - check.
Down to earth - check.
Not a fanboy - check.
You're a good man.
Nice Marius
Honest?? Dave wasnt honest about whether he stands or sits during vids 🤔
@@mattriarchal Now this is some important and major stuff
So, everyone focuses on how much more expensive this phone is compared to previous OP phones. In my mind this is a very specific thing they have done. Kia, Mazda and other Asian auto companies applied this same marketing technique to break into a market that was already crowded. Create a product that is solid if unspectacular, under cut pricing of the current market to get the product in hands and the name on tongues. Then slowly ramp up the product a little each year until it matches the rest of the market and then you can charge the same and compete. All by design.
Exactly, and people knew that from the beginning. The Oneplus One was suspiciously inexpensive, and each model after that was slightly more money. The writing has been on the wall for a long time. Maybe that last $200 jolt caught some people off guard?
This is going to be a big transition in customer base for them, will be interesting to see how well it works.
All the more weird when Xiaomi not doing it
@@haziqshams xiaomi is doing that too. but far less steep because their 5% philosophy. Mi Note 10 Pro is one of the example.
SECTION yeah it’s inevitable, but Xiaomi able to survive with that 5% philosophy is commendable.
Honestly speaking for 900$ people will buy iphone 11 ...Majority will be satisfied by apple logo the camera and iOS . yeah display and refreshrate is good but it will hardly change tHeir mind ..
Marques: Everything Matte
Dave : Everything Teal
Me : Everything Cheap
Bharath Kinnera 😂😂 accurate 💯
Me too kid
Me: everything non-existed
Hands down, the most unbiased reviewer on YT.
I love the way he talks with such calm demeanor, it's therapeutic. Keep up the good work Dave!
meanwhile, he hates most colors other than teal xd
@abhitechie I was joking too
@@namcicle2309 idk why no one think about this but black and teal will look so good together
@@shijou2867 OH SHIT IMAGINE A MATTE WHITE AND TEAL COLOUR
@@namcicle2309 Yooo that will look AWESOME!!
OnePlus: "We'll include teal case"
Dave: *bribed*
That's exactly what I was gonna say. It seems every OnePlus review from every well-known tech reviewer is biased in one way or other. Just look at the way the reviews of OP devices come out. It's always in unison and most of them will say it's the best phone out there right now. Now compare that to other flagship releases. None of them will have a review on day one. And, none of the reviewers will say it's the best flagship available right now, no matter how good the device is. All in all, it seems OnePlus has all of these reviewers in their pockets.
Now, I'm waiting to see what OnePlus will bring next on the table. So far, OnePlus was all about bringing what other top-tier brands offered at a lower price point. Now that they are in the big league, you're supposed to bring innovation to the table. Will they be able to deliver innovative products? I frankly don't think so. You can kick a cleaner UI ball for so long you know...
“Competitive reddit browsing”
Is this where all the pros go?
Reddit is a warzone !
I am an unofficial champion.
No but where the salt goes
likes got an error from how true dat was*
There should be an esport for that. Ok I need a 240hz display.
Everyone complaining about the worse camera of the OP8 Pro, when in reality, they're taking photos of their food and themselves.
Well the selfie cam is just unusable in any app other than the camera app. The preview just looks super smoothed out without any quality.
The main cams have a great quality but a stuttery preview.
@@lenrow what do you mean? can you give an example of this please?
@@ykx777 there's lots of post processing involved and apps like Snapchat only capture the cameras preview. So if the lighting isn't perfect the pictures don't look as good as with other phones.
Ik it's an Android problem in general but it's much more noticeable with the 8 pro than my old note 8.
The stuttery camera is just a lower fps preview than it's actually when you're filming.
The last thing I've noticed is sometimes super flat pictures do just using the vivid filter makes most pictures a lot better when not interested in working on every phone snapshot with lightroom
One plus 8 pro has the worst camera? That's not even true!
@@anujdaniel1771 Anuj Daniel Well I just said that the app devs suck and don't allow me to use the camera quality to it's fullest extent.
But like I said before it's an Android problem in general.
Anything cyan blue: *exists*
Dave: I'LL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK!
Frayzle me: take my money Yes yes yes yes YES
tbf teal is pretty much the best colour in existence
@@mattBLACKpunk tbh = to be honest
tbf = to be fucked
It's a joke.
Love how he did love the cases gaha
Do chika dance lol
So, you had the phone earlier when you were talking about the leak. Well played.
they all did. terms and conditions applied. Dont talk about it till we launch the product
he played us all
@@jx_nathan yeah there were like 20 videos minutes after the livestream was over
@@air_ live stream by dave 2d what?
@@vulcanus9384 no the launch event for the phone
"Thumbs if you liked it, subs if you loved it".. This phrase, it kinda automatically pops up in mind now whenever i see his videos coming to an end. And weirdly i look forward to it, lol.
it might actually be my favourite youtuber slogan
Jerry Rig Everything has him beat with deeper grooves and glass is glass.
13:39 hit a nail right in the coffin.
The phone is getting heat because of expectations.
For the quantity and quality of components, oneplus is really a steal at this price even today.
This video is so honest that he just spoke what he truly felt about the phone,the way he was telling is truly exceptional
Others are like making scripts and then saying everything without a pause
And Dave is honestly clueless.
Yeah couldn't agree more. He even spoke of and acknowledged his potential biases with regard to precedent from both brands. Excellent review.
"You have become the thing you swore to kill"
- Everyone to OnePlus
Honestly I don't know what is wrong with that. I admit that the regular 8 might be a bit overpriced, but people just yell at them what they want and at this point there is no way to keep such a low price tag on them. And prices also grow each year.
@@Deni-mt9bj It's not "wrong", it's just completely opposite of what we expect from them, especially when they first started off.
you have become the very thing you swore to destroy*
Aditya Ali Actually it is wrong. Its a stupid business model to alienate your core audience.
@@LAvision morally yea.. but sadly all that matters is bringing in more money...
thou i dont think op is competitive enough brand wise for majority of the consumer bade to buy an op phone at that price over the Galaxy or pixel
I think more accurate is ""you were supposed to destroy them not join them.""
LOL the memorable quotes coming through.
You became the very thing you sought to destroy
Fuck you😡
That's not what they should do
I'm super pissed off 😡😡😡😡😡
😁 😁
@@michaelan9688 swore*
is anyone not gonna say how good his hoddies look on every video?
@@elisgerdt8928 *can't
Hooodiee haha
@@elisgerdt8928 did you understand the word? Yes you did right? Isn't that the point?
his hoodies look good on every video
@@elisgerdt8928 *it's
"Competitive Reddit browsing"
I'm just going to leave this here
That literally was the funniest thing I’ve heard Dave say 😂😂😂
Yes! I don't know why you want such high end especifications on a phone, mobile game aren't still taking seriously, just play cod mobile and then any fps game on pc (even cod) and you'll see the diference.
@@theutgardianchannel1952 Shadowgun Legends is beautiful.
Other youtubers: "Okay they include a case"
Dave: "HOLY CRAP DUDE THIS IS AWESOME"
Once you see this meme format on RUclips it is literally impossible to not see lmao
I liked the case mention, thought they were nice. Apart from the colour.
One plus 2013: Flagship killer
One plus 2020: Wallet killer
meanwhile iphones be like: Kidney killer
@@mustafai4898 no .. We better say iPhone - Murderer. 😅
Nah thats Samsung
@@youtubeguyb4647 lol🤣🤣
@@youtubeguyb4647 Honestly, they have a different OS so it's impossible to kill Apple. Even on that battle, sadly the iPhone 11 and SE 2020 will have a sales record.
Dave I want to thank you for how honest and fair your reviews are. You really lay things out plainly and you don't f*** around. This is super valuable.
Dave: Drooling over a teal case
Also Dave: This blue is too loud
Lmfao
I have like the complete opposite opinion lol I quite like the blue on the phone but I thought he was pointing them out the cases to tell us how fugly they are haha
@@KuroshiKun generally 1+ always highlights the cases with every new phone. I got op6 with all the official cases. So I thought Dave was "plugging" the new cases. I never use my sandstone btw for the afformentioned cracking
"a small company like this"
You keep forgetting they're a subsidiary of BBK electronics, one of the biggest smartphone manufacturers in the world.
subsidiary though.... but they're independent
@@utkarshrajatri They aren't independent. They respond in one way or another to their mother company. No company in this world is independent, if it's owned by a mother company. Yeah, you have the ability to have your say, but the bigger picture / the vision will most likely come from the mother company. Oneplus is basically OPPO phones, targetted towards west while oppo are targetted towards asian countries. It's BBK's way of reaching both spectrums of the market, something that they couldn't have done with Oppo.
@1ceb0xcfbl they can’t increases their sales using the branding BBK, they don’t have the whole budget of BBK, and they are also competing with their sister phones. So leaving the major decisions aside it’s really up to OnePlus to increase their market share which was super low just a few years back.
My point exactly 😂
@@1ceb0xcfbl the spec of the oppo find x2 and oneplus 8 pro are very similar indeed.... makes sense
At this moment Samsung S20+ in Canada(SPC 20% off + 200 dollars trade in discount for flip phone) is 200-400 dollars cheaper than the oneplus 8 Pro(5% student discount) depending on storage size
Same they also give free galaxy buds so it's no brainer to go with s20 lineup
Oh wait yeah, that is so true (No reviewers actually speak about this tho.)
@@wassup9923 how many reviewers know Canadian pricing? Plus reviewers don't talk about discounts at all anyways.
If it's snapdragon than totally worth to get the S20+...
@@KuroshiKun they do actually ... like mark from mark's tech and a few more.. the key is those who bought themselves always mention the discounts but the ones who got it for free from the company, doesn't.
Seems to me that with the coming " Z" they are going back to their roots.
One thing that annoys me about OP users is that with each of the phones' iterations, there were complaints that its got "no wireless charging or effective waterproofing .."
So One Plus adds these features...and the price goes up. Now the complaints are " It's gone up in price"
What did they expect ?
So I'm hoping the Z goes back to one plus basics. A stripped down phone that does what it does really well, - but at a great price.
U got what uv've been waiting for sir
The Nord VPN
issue with them "going back to their roots" is that they arent actually going back to their roots to make flagship killers, because they wouldnt want to kill their own business. for example, the oneplus nord does not have a flagship chip like an old oneplus would've, even though it is at a cheaper price point like before
"Flagship Killer" was their slogan. And now they have joined them. LOL.
If you can't beat them. Join them.-- came out instinctively.
For 2/3rds of the price. Not bad
I thought their slogan was never settle? Though I agree that was their goal in the past
Tbh fans wanted more from them so it kept getting better but more expensive
You were supposed to destroy them, not join them - Kenobi.
One plus colour
2019:nebula blue
2020:gamora green
IN FUTURE : Thanos purple ,rocket brown
get out
2025 racist white.
And then,
Orange trump.
Nick fury black
Maybe you are correct...
When a phone includes everything what a flagship phone should have, then it costs a lot of money. So it's not fair to expect the phone at a lower price just bcz it has been in the past. Expensive parts costs money 💰
I think it is more expensive because of SOC, 865 comes with 5G Modem wich costs alot
Another problem, samsung has 2 variants ! Exynos is bad
i agree fam!
especially in india
Exynos lets you root your phone, so I would argue Exynos good
@Central Intelligence Agency Dude, I have a crappy Redmi 5 plus with Snapdragon 625 and my brother has note 8 exynos variant. His phone lags in ui, youtube and games while mine is rock solid. He factory reset his phone and it became snappy for like two weeks before returning to be sluggish again.
@Central Intelligence Agency It's worse. If you're buying a flagship why would you settle for a worse cpu? This shouldn't even be an option. If this was a mid class phone sure, why not. But for a flagship? It's a joke.
1:20 the reason why One-plus gets this display is because it is a full subsidiary of OPPO. And OPPO by all means, is NOT a small company, it is not that much smaller than Samsung and these displays are custom-ordered panel from Samsung, it is not the BEST they have that is the one on Samsung flagships, but it is the best they offers to other manufacturers . In fact, the one on the OP8 is the same one on OPPO ACE2 and the one on OP8 Pro are the same panel on OPPO Find X2/pro, you can consider OP8 pro as a reskined version of Find X2/pro intended for Western Market at a higher price. the same trick employed by auto makers as Badge-Engineering.
He forgot to mention the OP8 Pro (and possibly OP8) display is 10bit, that's around a billion colors versus 16 million on other 8bit displays like the S20 or iPHONE 11. Also it's display is 444nits brighter this year as well, totaling 1444nits.
Everyone: What's the best phone on 2020?
Dave: Teal cases
"you don't need it for reddit browsing"
why do I feel so attacked right now 🤣🤣
"Competitive Reddit Browsing"
@@rasulsulaiman2457 with 120hz "tactical advantage"
My heart goes out to anyone who wants a 5.2" device.
I was like that too but after I bought the OnePlus 7 Pro I just started loving the big screen 😅 so much better in many ways.
Damn, i just want 6.0
6 to 6.5 🙌 but not more than that..
Device screen doesn't necessarily set how comfortable it's to use. My last change was from 5,5 to 6 and the 6 inches one is more comfortable. Mostly thanks to screen-to-body ratio, how the body is designed, curved etc. You need to take a lot more into consideration than a screen size.
I don't understand people who want a phone smaller then the iPhones small 5.8 models. I can understand people who have small hands and I guess some people just really like small phones. I'd say 5.5-6.7 should be the min and max for phone size. :-)
Seems that Dave was much more hyped over those teal cases as compared to the phone😆
You're right.... because they are paid like 'W.H.O.'
that's cuz the phone is ho hum im staying with my 1+7 Pro which considering it's specs will serve me for YEARS im not paying a thousand dollars for a compromised screen i LOVE my 1+7 Pro
2:10 "Competitive Reddit browsing"
Don't give them ideas, Dave.
There's already bot for counting "nice" comments. The leading user has over 5000 comments of "nice"
@@ItsZim0
*Confused screaming*
Honestly, every single phone is soooo good, i fail to see the need of a "flagship" phone. Heck, 250-350$ phones are amazing. I'm really shocked how good they are.
Yeah, these Flagships are complete overkill for me. 😅 A Pixel 4a is all I really need.
And not no mention old flagships have crazy good value right now too. Even the Oneplus 7 Pro is a great alternative and it has dropped in price significantly.
I mean this phone fits the price at least
d_pian If you said that 2 years ago everyone would laugh
Flag ship phones are flag ships because they are the best of the best no compromise options. Budget phoned get you 80% of the way there but that extra 20% of performance is always exponentially more expensive. It's like that in PC gaming with CPUs and GPUs to simple things like a toaster
Your talk is so good dude! Didn't got bored in between the video. Much appreciable quality for a youtuber.
We've evolved to a point where reviewers don't even talk about the headphone jack
I own OnePlus 7 mclaren edition and it's pretty annoying to have to bring out the converter all the time I want to use ear phones.
I'm not a fan of Bluetooth earphones so this is a bummer.
If the headphone jack wasn't there in the last iteration of the phone, it won't be there in the current. No need to talk about it if it isn't new.
@@StayReal02 Hi,
Could you tell how has your experience been with your phone after all the updates and would you suggest it if the price drops (which should post the launch of One+ 8)
That's exactly what the manufacturers wanted
@@HasanTayeeb, my experience with the phone is that everything except headphone jack and the very short amount of SOT battery (around 5 - 6 hours) is that the phone is almost 100% perfect - like in every way!!
The camera is actually better than the iPhone 11 Pro max if you want nice Instagram photos.
Oneplus 7T pro really shines here. Very vibrant colorful pictures, like you cannot complain if you want to be insta star here..
But the battery is very small, too small. I would expect at least 6000 mah battery if I have to pay 900 euros for this phone here in Sweden...
And headphone jack but that's the trend for most phones unfortunately.
Unless OP8 has a much better camera than this phone, then j wouldn't even buy OP8 just for the wireless charge system + that ugly camera hole cut on the front screen...
2:48 Motion Smoothening... Dave, you make me happy.
"You threw in with the very kind we once hated!"
-Edward Kenway AC4
Wow Animal Crossing 4 is out already?
assassin's creed IV
S20 Ultra
US price: $919
Indian Price: $1342
OP 8 Pro
US price: $919
Indian Price: $748
So OP 8Pro still a lot cheaper than S20 Ultra in India
Not to mention samsung throws a garbage Exynos in their phones in india.
S20 Ultra is 1300-1400 in the US, I think the price you quoted includes contract activation bonuses or trade ins
Isn't India boycotting Chinese stuff?
s20 ultra in germany 1500€ which in turn is 1600$ LOL. with exynos LMAO
@@mikeyp5929 damn, in Indonesia s20 ultra around 915 usd
I always wait for Dave's review, seriously dude, you're amazingly sincere and talk the way it's supposed to be talked about tech. Not just reviewing specs we all can read everywhere, but making a point about how the product does stand in the market right now.
You're the best dude!
*worst
Dave: I'm surprised a small company like Oneplus can get such good display panels
BBK Electronics: Yeah how do they do it
It's a Samsung panel.
@@wehtam61eoj they must be charging $150 for that screen given they charged around $130 for iPhone x display
@@wehtam61eoj the software tuning matters a lot compared to the panel
Joseph Mathew It’s not weird. Samsung is a manufacturer after all...
King Wiwuz IV Apple is said to be dropping Samsung this year.
I can feel the relief that he had at the end of the video. Expectations part was really difficult and bold to explain. It was really a hell of a review.👏
this man really said "never settling" with a straight face
Dave: Its a very large bump. Bam! You looking for this? A ramp!?
Dave again: Cuz I got a ramp for you.
Relive the moment - 8:18
That’s how all smartphone brands want to progress. Initially they make a budget phone with great specs to grab the people’s attention to their brand and that’s how they tell the market “hey we’re here to stay” and they keep growing their user base and number of fans until when they think they have enough support from the people and coverage from the media (OnePlus 6T), then they start turning themselves into a premium brand (OnePlus 7 Pro)
I love how you put in so much detail into making these videos, and how minimal everything non-essential is. Such amazing work. Kudos Man !
7:01 compare them with ROG 2's speakers where Each of these uses a 5 magnet design and gets its own dedicated Smart NXP amplifier using DTS:X Ultra tech
@Alter Ego In my opinion, 2020 just made all flagships gaming phones even if they are not marketed as one.... 😅
“competitive reddit browsing” -Dave2D 2020
Matthew Colon i completly lost it at this moment 😂
He actually came up with that? He sounds so sure that I thought it was already a thing
This man plays PC games, mobile games, reviews phones & laptops, shoot and edit videos, and is up to date with all the news and still says he is doing RUclips as a part time. Man! how many hours do you have in a day? I want to learn time management from you.
Don't waste your time
Don't do all things on one day, do one thing a day.
Customers (to OnePlus): *"You were the chosen one! It was said that you destroy the flagship priced phones, not join them! Bring balance to our wallets! Not leave it in emptiness!"*
We have many flagship killers now... and ig Oneplus would have realised they would do really good in flagship segment...
Cmon now they've a mid ranger too
Great ROTS quote
@@tama5380 700 $ isnt mid range
@@drecksbongert4367 I guess he meant the lite version, which hasn't yet released
The first review I've seen where I actually listened to what was being said, and learned something. You sir, are a master.
Watching MKBHD vids: Lets me dream/want more for my smartphone and other tech
Watching Dave vids: Keeps me grounded and see beyond the glitter for efficient spending
Good balance I should say 👌
"Perfectly balanced, like all things should be."
Unexpected thanos
I think the software part is a matter of taste. I tried both oxygen OS and One UI 2.0 and I'll give a slight edge to Samsung because of the one hand usability. ONE UI is great for those big phones. Besides Samsung packs a ton of features which can be more or less useful but at least you have the choice and that's what I like about Android.
But If I had to choose I'd still go for OnePlus cause 3 years of guaranteed updates.
With a cleaner OS you can customize it, the problem with baked in bloatware is you can't remove it.
Oneplus 7 pro = Flagship killer
Oneplus 8 pro = Flagship
"YOU HAVE BECOME THE VERY THING YOU SWORE TO DESTROY"
Oneplus 9 pro = Flagship birth giver
12:52 easily the best part, it just really makes you think. Keep up the great work.
"Overtime these lines may become dark. .. But that's just the case" I see what you did there 👀
Joseph wait I don't get it 🧐
You've been consistently giving out great and UNBIASED reviews, and i am one of your silent patrons for this. Always stay safe and keep booming!
keep booming who the fuck says that.
10:56 look how they massacred my boy.
I fkin died 😂😂😂😂👏👏👏👏👏
Godfather quote in a Dave Lee review. Internet win of the day.
Thank you for your review. I really like this VDO and like how you explain things. It's so honest, valid and very clear. Like all the details you put in and it spot on
Dave: **slides phone over desk top
**
Everyone: **Cringe**
I literally pause the video, and go to the comment section to find someone comment about it haha 😂
Ha ha just said the same thing and then read your comment, couldnt agree more.
Cringe? lol, that's my kinda ASMR
I'm glad to see such a long video from Dave, the content quality and also the way it's shot, coupled with the small clip length always leaves me wanting.
It was a tad rambling, though. I prefer his shorter videos that are to the point.
*...and we're only getting started, wait and see what the 8T will offer.*
Nit much difference just some minor hardware improvements
8T may have 120Hz display, a battery bigger than 8 less than 8pro, warp chage 30T and a SD865+ at a more affordable price tag😉 that's how i bought my 7T
meh im looking forward to the OP 9 next year i want my full screen experience with all these other features to.
$1000 price tag :)
Oneplus just realeased into about new features coming to the phones. Always on display as well as selectable charging speeds.
Man that's a long Dave 2D video. This dude loves 1+.
Yeah I notice, the longer one from him, or he is a 1+ fan, or he got paid. You Choose.
"This isnt for competitive reddit scrolling."
Yes it is Dave, yes it is.
What does it mean
S20 : I don't like hole punch. They could have gone with motors like how OnePlus did.
8pro : I don't mind hole punch
Biased?
Other than jerry,linus and flossy carter, no other reviewer really use samsung I believe.
Yup. He's been like this since forever. He really should just stick with laptop reviews since that's where he excels at.
It’s almost like using something for a period of time can change your opinion of a feature..
Crazy, right?
Centre hole punch is dumb. OnePlus's hole punch IS better.
@@arj1165 So how many reviewers are op paying?mkbhd,unbox therapy,mrwhosetheboss,linus,jerry etc etc etc.Apple and samsung fanboys just can't accept the fact that a company can launch a phone which is capable of competing against theirs
4:16 my heart bleeds as he drag the phone with those camera bumps without case
UrGoodFriend it won’t really matter cuz the external protective glass is pretty solid
at least it wasn't face DOWN
I felt that too
True
why are we still here.. just to suffer
Dave: "This isn't like competitive Reddit browsing"
Redditors: I see you are a man of culture.
lol
lol
lol
lol
REDDIT MOMENT
2014: Flagship Killer
2020: Flagship
You became the only thing you swore to destroy
yeah 900 bucks :/
WIN!
it was their goal tho
@@andreamiglioli Then why was their slogan "flagship killer"?
@@Acebean it's called clever marketing. They slowly worked their way up to this because this was their ultimate goal and now they're making the profits they wanted to make as a business. I like that.
As a poor man, I feel the deep maliciousness of the smartphone world, I love the cheaper Nexus phone, they kill it! I love the cheaper OnePlus phone, they kill it! From a OnePlus 6 user😥
They're creating a budget phone soon
6t here
I've been on oneplus 3t for years. Still great. Just wish the camera was better
they are the underdog when you are, now they are not, and you still are
@@QuranSprouts have you changed the battery？
Man, Love your reviews 😍
Clean aesthetics and those dialogue pauses are almost in line with a Scorsese movie 😂
Oneplus: How much teal colour you want?
Dave: YES!
Dave talking about clean software "I just like stuff that's as clean as possible.. "
Yeah, I think we all noticed by now.
Dave when he sees teal cases: FINALLY SOME GOOD DESIGN
Thank you for pointing out that the case helps avoid accidental touches with the edge screen. Not noticed any other reviewer say that 😀
Nobody:
Dave Lee: haha..diglet cake go round round
6:50 Linus be like:
Drop the resolution or refresh rate? Nah, gonna drop the whole phone, break the screen and get god like battery life suckers!
"Either you die a hero or live long enough to see yourself a villain"
- Story of OnePlus
Damn, their Batman will never settle🤔🧐
Price gonna fall due to the 4a and se 2
I believe the new display carries the price jump a lot. That a 6.78 inch, 120Hz, *10 Bit* display there. As a 10 Bit panels it can potentially show you up to 1.07 Billions of color combination. It's a huge upgrade from your regular 8 Bit panels featured on most of the other flagships, which can show you up to 16.7 Millions of colors only.
2019 OnePlus: "Pop-up in-display camera is the future!"
2020 OnePlus: *We are proud to bring back the punch hole camera!*
True.. No one is talking about that
They did that to achieve Ip68 water resistant rating
@@groundzero1041 i really dont get why its so important to buy a phone with a ip68 water resistant rating like im not gonna go scuba diving with my phone tf
Get rid of the IP rating and wireless charging, which I dont even use, and we could have had a 600$ flagship killer...but nooooo--idiots need paper specs and a ugly ass hole on the screen. Ill buy the OP7Pro over this any day of the week
Everybody with 2 brain cells understands, that the 7 pro is the real value here. Forget the older 6, 6t, 7, 7t (small, no 90Hz, small batteries) and absolutely forget the 7T pro marketing scam! Wireless charging? Gimme a 5000-6000mAh (Motorola) cell and I wont need charging during day. At night it doesn't matter to you if you use wired charging near your bed. Punch hole Samsung clone? You regress and downgraded the screen Oneplus! WTF? ALL SCREEN is the future. Even the new K30 and much cheaper OPPO have it. People looks too much on the specs. If you drop your phone into a lake or pool, you are a retard and no IP rating can help with that. For rain, the non-IP coating , which is much cheaper, very much siffices. The OP phones get more expensive cause of popularity and suggestions to use IP68 and wireless shit. We could have had a 600$ phone now get a 900$ gimmick that looks dated. Oneplus 7 Pro is the BEST OP phone to date. Peace
In math:
1+8=9
In real life:
It's actually $999
Underrated
I am buying the OP8 pro over the S20. Thanks to the Exynos SOC version in India.
Sandeep Srinivas Same in the UK no Qualcomm SOC for us here.
@@jamiespeight7746 Exynos sucks at pretty much everything
I love the Interstellar glow, it's a shame it's not available for the 8 pro
He calls 30°C warm while my s10 Plus hits 40°C😭
Yeah warp charge really is not bad😁😂
But why my OnePlus hits 56° c 🤔😅😂
My S7 has battery issues ever since I dropped it down a flight of stairs and now depending on the day, it almost burns my hands. Good news is that it survived the fall even without a case (albeit a messed up battery, extreme heat, missing buttons, cracked screen and badly damaged exterior) but it still works! Haha.
0:42 he wasn't joking when he said there's a lot to be discussed... 15 minute video!
4:15 that camera bump slide on the surface. I FELT THAT SCRATCH WITH GOOSEBUMPS FROM INNER AGONY
I have also noticed that the Architectural night scape mode is the best in One plus devices. I was really pleased with the images that came out while I was in Tokyo a while ago.
"Everything is great, but OnePlus is much better."
- Dave... Forever and ever, Amen.
Amen
@@air_ Awomen
Dave seem to have come late to the upload game today but here am I still watching it as the latest because it's a video from D2D.
For a hobbyist; he's pretty damn early.
The jump is price has nothing to do with the specifications. It's just marketing and they have a higher profit margin as before
I think 5G is the another reason as well.
Nice speculation
you're stupid to think adding wireless charging, ip rating, a better chipset and better camera wouldn't make the phone more expensive than last year's model
@@your_average_cultured_dude Plus the better panel...
"Bam! You lookin for this? A ramp?!" Dave staaauuhhhppp😂😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭
Last time I was this early Dave had a chair.
This made ma laugh
Dave is floor gang
You wered reality earlier.
@@pangolinthecurious hell yeah #floorgang
meanwhile Sammy in my country be like: We're very proud of our Exynos SoC
Hehehe true
@@alien_fgc3218 yeah sorry guys lol exynos should be way way better in the next couple years since they're not using mongoose anymore, they're partnering with AMD for the chips, and they should be the first ones with 5nm and 3nm chips.
@@KuroshiKun Samsung is not partnering with amd for chips but only for the gpu part of the soc, the cpu is still going to be the same arm.
@@AmitDas-de5ft yeah sorry by "chip" I meant "soc" lol I know it's just the GPU part. Saying chip is just a force of habit with me. Like I work at T-Mobile so people would ask me "hey whats the chip in this phone" or something along those lines all the time so I adopted the admittedly incorrect terminology there. Considering how garbage Samsung's GPUs have been tho this AMD partnership should be great for them.
I heard Exynos variant overheats.
here in italy u can buy the S20 for 665e and the s20+ for 700, and their price is going down every day... the samsung is the flagship killer right now
Good point. The Samsung's are always more expensive on release but are reduced in price within 6 months whereas the Oneplus phones always stay around the same price. So by the time the Oneplus 8T Pro is released this autumn the Samsung Galaxy S20 will be cheaper. I'm starting to think the only reason Oneplus release two phones a year is to keep the price from falling
Unfortunately in Europe (like most of the world) we are getting Exynos and not Snapdragon. Worse thermals, performance and battery life.
@@Manuel-rl6um yea but if u can buy it for 500e in 2 months is a big deal
Sad for the OnePlus tbh, i feel like that they do this (price hike) a little too early
in europe they're on shitty exynos cheap. hot, throttling and lower battery life than US Snapdragon model.
This must be one of his LENGTHY video ever, a 15-min. video
Stiill very entertaining until the very end. Very precise and o objective. No more bias and alibi.
Thank you Sir Dave!!
Dave: "my math isn't great right now"
I should use this reference when my prof calls my name in my math class.
my math is never great
"competitive reddit browsing"
LMFAO
I swear that line was so good , it made me instantly like the video..
Dave : " There is a lot to talk about "
Yup I know it when Dave Lee has a 15 minute video . A rare occurrence
You are so honest and precise Dave keep up the good work