Chase is such a good storyteller! At the start of this series I thought I would never like kingdom hearts because of Donald Duck, but now I am very invested despite of Donald Duck
Chase did Aqua dirty with that Vanitas fight recap. She was clearly winning until Vanitas realized he was gonna lose and started targeting Ven. If Aqua didn't have to body block a fireball, she would've had that.
I have come back and re watched/listened to the "Three grown men cry over an anime boy" bit of this like a dozen times. The excitement and emotion and happiness is just SO. REAL. Your guys reaction, as well as Chase almost breaking down giggling through tears followed by "What is this Chase? Is it finally happening? Whats about to happen?" And then the reaction is just so damn genuine and heartwarming. I fucking love this podcast.
Literally how i found this comment. just rewatching that clip and commenting that "Neil is standing up, Chase is crying, I'm tearing up. It's a good day." should be on a shirt.
1:26:30 correction from someone who was actually a part of the event to get their name into KH3! It was in khux! It was when they added the Classic Kingdom games to khux and you had to get a certain high score on each game. You'd get your name added to a drawing list and a code to get the starlight keyblade early in KH3!
Potential theory about the box. When I was first watching through these videos last year, I was watching through the theatre modes of the games as well. In one of the earliest games (either KH1 or CoM), in Halloween Town, Dr Finklestein is trying to create an artificial heart. The first step in the instructions he follows is "take a container with a lock". That struck me as significant. If anyone could create an artificial heart, it would be the master of masters.
Okay. I just have to say this now. After...fuck, hours, hours of listening to Chase talk about Kingdom Hearts...I still giggle every time he says 'beats them/him/her off.' And he says it a lot.
Rewatching this for like the 6th time and just realised chase forgot to mention that xehanort using time magic to freeze mickey and riku was in response to mickey casting Ultima
Honestly, I would love to see a lore dump on the sleeping realms theory at some point, if only just for the sheer chaos that episode would be. But it’s 600 freaking pages, man. I would genuinely worry for y’all’s mental health taking that on, especially Chase since he would be the one to have to read it lol ^_^;
This is super late, but the reason the portal is the same as the one in Dream Drop is because the realm of sleep and the realm of death touch or are connected to each other
Just want to reiterate how much I've enjoyed this whole series. Kingdom Hearts is one of my favourite game series, and hearing it told by Chase is one of the best ways to reexperience it. The banter between you three is next level as well, these videos are hilarious. Thank you so much for this series, it's given me hours and hours of enjoyment.
Please cover literally everything Kingdom Hearts. I want to learn all of the lore I didn't pick up while playing the games, and this series is perfect for that.
Watching through some older lore dump episodes (probably my fourth or fifth time around) and commenting AGAIN on the second channel that the Sleeping Realm Theory is absolutely worth an episode in the interim before KH4.
One scene that I really love that didn't get covered here: when Ansem the Wise first shows up back at his lab, Ienzo immediately starts crying and saying things like "I was just a child when they cast you out, they told me you had betrayed us and I didn't know what to do, I'm so sorry." It sells his redemption in a way the other apprentices don't even come close to getting. I also love that when Ansem obviously forgives him, Aeleus and Dylan, who also betrayed him and have no such excuses, are just standing awkwardly in the corner.
I dont know if it's a common or even valid theory, but my thought on the 'how does everyone just happen to have exactly the right keyblade for them' problem is that MoM made the _keyblades,_ but like in-game it's the _keychains_ which determine their form and power. New keyblade wielders gain the ability to summon one of MoM's keyblades, and then that manifests with a keychain representing them personally (or something along those lines).
12:58 The combined Keyblade was one of the Reality Breaks in Dream Drop Distance 1:08:20 Please do Sleeping Realm theory! It'll blow their minds. The key piece of this theory is that it's not a dream theory in the sense of "It didn't really happen and didn't matter." It's more like a dream in the sense of, hey remember, we have a whole game that was VERY impactful and mattered a lot where Sora and Riku are in dreams.
I’m not going to lie- i believe we are in the timeline where the Sleeping Worlds Theory is real. Some details may be different as we learn more but it seems like there is too much to support it. It’s also just wild and fun
OH!! That unknown star very well could be Kairi, but the Kairi who was devoured by the heartless tornado. She's waiting for her Sora, but it's Sora who probably turned into the Master of Masters whose heart became twisted after watching all of his friends die in the timeline where darkness won possibly?
2:10:38 i'm not sure about other platforms, but i thought it was really cool that on ps4 their voices came from the controller speakers instead of the tv
I don't know if it was mentioned in the original video, but it's believed Aqua left her keyblade on Destiny Islands at the end of KH1. When it was returned to the realm of light with Kairi. As to why or how no one noticed it or moved it, I don't f*ing know lol that's the one thing that has always bugged me. KH3 ranks within in my top 3 of the series as so many moments bring a tear to my eyes. Xion's return, Roxas's return, Terra's return, and hearing Donald and Goofy through my PS controller during the final fight. I know people have their gripes on it, but I just can't find it in me to see KH3 in a negative light.
I noticed that you keep editing headphones onto the characters in this episode and it’s really funny. I can’t wait to play the Keyblade Graveyard section because it just sounds so cool! I’m still in awe as to how they managed to program the ‘Union X players helping you section’ it’s so technically impressive and I love it. Excellent on the fly explanation of the crews’ deaths. The separation of the fights through the maze is a good chunking technique so you don’t have to fight all of them at once. I’m really curious as to what the wild card is. The second deaths of the og Nobodies are very sad, especially Marly’s. I hope they’re recombined and just…. hanging around in 4 somewhere.
I think. I THINK I might've found a way to phrase the Power of Waking in a way that is somewhat coherent. The "traverse hearts to reach worlds, not worlds to reach hearts" line is such a stupid way to clarify this because it's probably the most obtuse way to do so. Ok, SO, what I believe this means is that TPoW is meant to utilise Hearts as a starting point and a compass, you use a Heart that's within or around you and trace its connections to far-away Worlds. Now when Sora, as Young Xehanort said, "traverses Worlds to reach Hearts" what I THINK this means is tracing some kind of connection BACKWARDS, which basically results in him doing inter-dimensional instant-transmissions. More or less he just WILLS himself next to his friends' Hearts without following the proper flow of the universe. It's like the universe is a big cat and he keeps stroking his fur in the wrong direction, and the cat gets really pissed off, real quick. Now the only problems is TPoW apparently also can do what it's name suggests and wake up/release/make connections for sleeping or lost Hearts. And also also it seems to be what allows Sora to fuck with time. It took me a while to finally put it together what connects all these, but in the most succinct way it's: the ability to manipulate Hearts. Now I don't/can't know if TPoW is the name for the totality of this ability or just a part or stage of it, but it seems to me this is the fundamental ability of all Keyblade weilders. Their weapons don't do physical damage in the traditional sense, but they break down the metaphysical Body that houses the metaphysical Heart, and from that comes more and more control of their own Heart and the Hearts around them(sharing it with others, taking over others', traveling through them, throwing them through space and time), up to the point of highest mastery where they can manifest the Heart of the very universe itself, Kingdom Hearts (which is the short, one sentence explanation of "What is Kingdom Hearts?") I really think this more or less what Nomura and other writers are going for, but they're either too comfortable leaving it all up to sub-text and innuendo hidden in cryptic dialog and monologues, or they legit don't want us to have a clear picture of this at this point. I think the former is more likely, but the later is also possible if you consider that Sora is the main POV of the series and he likely doesn't understand jack s**t about this either. He got enough of a hang of it in 3 to kinda do it by feel, but then immediately used it so wrong he got straight banished. They called KH3 the end of an arc, and that's most likely for Soraas well, not just Xehanort. I believe it's finally time for Sora to start growing up mentally and familiarise himself with the concept of "consequences" and maybe, JUST MAYBE stop tying 100% of his self-worth to other people and start believing in himself a little.
Watching through these for the first time and loving them!!!! I doubt you read the comments on these older vids, but if you do (and if this hasn’t already been explained or said later on) but Yozora and Noctis aren’t just ‘seemingly’ parallels, they are explicitly the same in terms of concept, leading to the fact that Nomura is more than probably creating VS13 in KH. Biggest clue in to this is their names mean the exact same thing in two different languages, that being ‘Night sky’. The original name for Luna Freya too was ‘Stella’ meaning ‘Star’, and the woman in the Verum Rex trailer is seen with a star necklace. Also the warp strike instead of being a strike that warps you is a warp portal that Yozora strikes through. Nomura is a fucking deranged person. Love the videos 🖤
I seriously haven't played any KH games more than a couple hours in 3 and 1 , and legitimately started tearing up . Chase did an amazing job with this story. Thank you
Just a note about when all the light heroes died. It wouldn't stop the x blade from forming as there are 6 other princesses of light not including Kairi so the 13 could use them instead if kairi and the other 6 can't be used.
He can take your channel. He can take your mind. He can make you question everything you know. But if it's your fate (and it is) Then every step forward will be a step closer to Union X.
I feel like game hamstrings the impact of your "Everything goes wrong at the keyblade graveyard" section by not giving all the side characters adequate power scaling. We have no idea how powerful any of them are in comparison to each other, so when Ven gets bodied we don't know how much that should matter. Axel is arguably the weakest of their number except maybe Kairi because he at least has been a combatant for years, so watching him get sent DBZ style through rocks into a mountain doesn't tell us much. And Goofy/Donald have always been a bit weaker than Sora despite them NOT being Metroided every single game so they should arguably be getting stronger by continuing to fight while Sora catches back up to his old strength and then surpassing it. So at some point in the series, we should have seen Goofy do some impressive feats of strength and durability, like helping Hercules do something to show just how physically powerful he has become over all these experiences and that he is something greater than being owner of the team's only brain cell- so when Terranort knocks him back with 1 blow it should be an "Oh shit" moment for the players. And likewise Donald's limits should have shown power equivatlent to at least the Gigaflare even stronger than Aqua's Megaflare from BBS- so when he casts Zetta, it should 1: feel even remotely plausible for him to know about let alone cast, and 2: it should be obvious that the ONLY reason he is casting it is because it is an absolute last ditch effort to save everyone else from death- and he should have faded to light indicating a permadeath (before all Sora's time shenanigans). They had the time over the course of 4 games with those 2 at our sides to show that they were worthy of being the right and left hands of 2 Keyblade Masters and the King of a world. But the gameplay and cutscenes just never show us the power that they should have before this point until Donald busts out something that we would better believe if just about any other character or even combination of characters had cast it. I think maybe it wouldn't be so shocking if like Merlin, Yensid, Aqua, and Donald all cast together somehow and then passed out.
So I could be wrong but I was under the impression that the Masters of Masters was the traitor. He betrayed all of them by setting them up against each other and gave Luxo/zigbar the most important task.
OK assuming we see more of Square Enix properties in future games, how does this ultimately affect the Final Fantasy characters we've already met? Like in Kingdom Hearts canon, we've had Cid, Aerith and Leon who came from Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden, then there's Cloud, Tifa, Sephiroth and those three fairy things that appeared in KH2, who are also from Radiant Garden...? I guess Auron too, but he's dead and brought back from the Underworld, so I don't know where that leaves him
Yen sid wanted them to have the power of waking to trace connections to hearts to figure out where ven/aqua and terras are and presumably each other if they get lost during the final battle. Sora kind of figures out he can use the power to basically teleport exactly to where the hearts are located. Unfortunately where they are is dead so hes bringing them back using this connection instead. Also remember from the other games that hearts and memories are connected. Going to MX heart in the end took them to scala because of MX memories of it. I think thr keyblade graveyard is basically whats left of scala/daybreak
I dont know what the sleeping realms theory is but ill look it up. However if part of it is based on that the portals are the spiky dome shaped things. Riku also used this at the end of DDD to enter soras heart to save him. I believe its just representative of the power of waking being tied to the dream scape or whatever. I 100% dont believe kh3 takes place within a dream.
You guys should check out nier automata. It's another really good game with a great story and is a square game so it could eventually make an appearance in kingdom hearts.
I wholeheartedly agree that the "everything was a dream" theory is not true simply because that would be just plain bad. I can see them making the reality/unreality dichotomy between Quadratum and what we known so far as the KH universe, the point being that each is real from their own point of view. Also it's really easy to blame dream logic for narrative contrivances and shortcuts, but on a base level KH literally runs on disney magic and dream logic. It may be "shockingly compelling" when you follow the theory makers full thought process, but if by the end, the theory can't answer the question of "how does this make the story better", I see no point in believing it. I suppose, in KH sleeping world does have a bit of a different meaning then in other "it was all a dream" theories, so maybe there's something there, but I personally think it's just next level overthinking. Chirity says that edge of sleep and death touch right? And when you die, you pass THROUGH the Last World into death, meaning the Last World itself is still on this side of the fence, on the side of sleep. Ergo, when making a portal out of there, it would appear as a sleepy keyhole. I don't think that's too hard of a logic to follow, but I guess y'all were pretty sloshed at this point.
It's not really a happy ending, his heart returns to Kingdom Hearts, as all hearts do eventually. Not a single person actually forgives Xehanort for what he did, but they don't try to keep his heart from going back to Kingdom Hearts, as it's not up to them.
@@KodasGarden I agree that that is what happens, but when compared to previous villains becoming purged of their evil, or no longer existing after facing Sora and co, the final time of their game; It feels like Master Xehanort didn't face consequences equivalent to his crimes
Fun fact: The X-Blade in KH3 is not the real one. The REAL one can’t be forged until the 13 Darknesses and the 7 Princesses of Heart properly clash and reunite. So, I pose to you three two questions: Was this indeed the real Kingdom Hearts? The second: What do you think happened to the X-Blade?
Recall what Yin Sid says in DDD. the X Blade broke into 20 pieces: 13 of Darkness (the 13 original darkness) and 7 of light (the Seven Princesses) Why else would the Master of Masters make the heart symbol in front of the moon?
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Thanks for being here! This episode is a reupload, transferring our backlog of Lore Dumps from the Monty Zander youtube channel.
Now we are on a new channel... you get a new request for the sleeping realms theory
Chase is such a good storyteller! At the start of this series I thought I would never like kingdom hearts because of Donald Duck, but now I am very invested despite of Donald Duck
Chase did Aqua dirty with that Vanitas fight recap. She was clearly winning until Vanitas realized he was gonna lose and started targeting Ven. If Aqua didn't have to body block a fireball, she would've had that.
“Men only want one thing and it’s f*cking disgusting”
Men: 1:42:07
just adding my 2 cents to say that i would absolutely love a special lore dump episode on the sleeping realm theory!!
I have come back and re watched/listened to the "Three grown men cry over an anime boy" bit of this like a dozen times. The excitement and emotion and happiness is just SO. REAL. Your guys reaction, as well as Chase almost breaking down giggling through tears followed by "What is this Chase? Is it finally happening? Whats about to happen?" And then the reaction is just so damn genuine and heartwarming. I fucking love this podcast.
Literally how i found this comment. just rewatching that clip and commenting that "Neil is standing up, Chase is crying, I'm tearing up. It's a good day." should be on a shirt.
@Brand0nGuinn Omfg yes I would buy that t shirt in a heartbeat.
1:26:30 correction from someone who was actually a part of the event to get their name into KH3! It was in khux! It was when they added the Classic Kingdom games to khux and you had to get a certain high score on each game. You'd get your name added to a drawing list and a code to get the starlight keyblade early in KH3!
You guys and this whole show is the best wayfinder trio I know of.
Potential theory about the box. When I was first watching through these videos last year, I was watching through the theatre modes of the games as well. In one of the earliest games (either KH1 or CoM), in Halloween Town, Dr Finklestein is trying to create an artificial heart. The first step in the instructions he follows is "take a container with a lock". That struck me as significant. If anyone could create an artificial heart, it would be the master of masters.
Don't know if this was previously said but the Combined Keyblade a.k.a. the Gayblade is a reference to a Reality Shift from Dream Drop Distance.
I forgot to give kudos for the explination of the first terranort battle. that was off the cuff, and done amazingly.
Okay. I just have to say this now. After...fuck, hours, hours of listening to Chase talk about Kingdom Hearts...I still giggle every time he says 'beats them/him/her off.' And he says it a lot.
Rewatching this for like the 6th time and just realised chase forgot to mention that xehanort using time magic to freeze mickey and riku was in response to mickey casting Ultima
What’s ultima?
One of the strongest spells in Final Fantasy@@LRVChupathingy
Sleeping Realms Theory when
Please don't encourage Chase on this one, not sure we could handle it- Neil
@@LoreDump
So we should give Chase all the encouragement
@@LoreDump You gotta do it!
Honestly, I would love to see a lore dump on the sleeping realms theory at some point, if only just for the sheer chaos that episode would be. But it’s 600 freaking pages, man. I would genuinely worry for y’all’s mental health taking that on, especially Chase since he would be the one to have to read it lol ^_^;
@LoreDump I actively want to encourage Chase
This is super late, but the reason the portal is the same as the one in Dream Drop is because the realm of sleep and the realm of death touch or are connected to each other
Just want to reiterate how much I've enjoyed this whole series. Kingdom Hearts is one of my favourite game series, and hearing it told by Chase is one of the best ways to reexperience it. The banter between you three is next level as well, these videos are hilarious. Thank you so much for this series, it's given me hours and hours of enjoyment.
Please cover literally everything Kingdom Hearts. I want to learn all of the lore I didn't pick up while playing the games, and this series is perfect for that.
The sheer joy at Roxas' return made me do the biggest smile. THAT WAS GLORIOUS
Watching through some older lore dump episodes (probably my fourth or fifth time around) and commenting AGAIN on the second channel that the Sleeping Realm Theory is absolutely worth an episode in the interim before KH4.
One scene that I really love that didn't get covered here: when Ansem the Wise first shows up back at his lab, Ienzo immediately starts crying and saying things like "I was just a child when they cast you out, they told me you had betrayed us and I didn't know what to do, I'm so sorry." It sells his redemption in a way the other apprentices don't even come close to getting. I also love that when Ansem obviously forgives him, Aeleus and Dylan, who also betrayed him and have no such excuses, are just standing awkwardly in the corner.
That's one of the scenes that made Ienzo my favourite character in the series
I dont know if it's a common or even valid theory, but my thought on the 'how does everyone just happen to have exactly the right keyblade for them' problem is that MoM made the _keyblades,_ but like in-game it's the _keychains_ which determine their form and power.
New keyblade wielders gain the ability to summon one of MoM's keyblades, and then that manifests with a keychain representing them personally (or something along those lines).
12:58 The combined Keyblade was one of the Reality Breaks in Dream Drop Distance
1:08:20 Please do Sleeping Realm theory! It'll blow their minds. The key piece of this theory is that it's not a dream theory in the sense of "It didn't really happen and didn't matter." It's more like a dream in the sense of, hey remember, we have a whole game that was VERY impactful and mattered a lot where Sora and Riku are in dreams.
You better have shown them the full scene after Axel says he should have brought some ice cream, because the moment after is much more emotional.
I know Chase doesnt want it but we *need* a Sleeping Realm video
This series made me realize a lot of things I missed in the lore
It also contextualized just how insane the Kingdom Hearts games is lol
I’m not going to lie- i believe we are in the timeline where the Sleeping Worlds Theory is real. Some details may be different as we learn more but it seems like there is too much to support it. It’s also just wild and fun
The facet of it explaining rage form is what really sells it for me. Good people going into spartan rage is just a trope I love
OH!! That unknown star very well could be Kairi, but the Kairi who was devoured by the heartless tornado. She's waiting for her Sora, but it's Sora who probably turned into the Master of Masters whose heart became twisted after watching all of his friends die in the timeline where darkness won possibly?
The combined keyblade is the one they use in dream drop distance
2:10:38 i'm not sure about other platforms, but i thought it was really cool that on ps4 their voices came from the controller speakers instead of the tv
I don't know if it was mentioned in the original video, but it's believed Aqua left her keyblade on Destiny Islands at the end of KH1. When it was returned to the realm of light with Kairi. As to why or how no one noticed it or moved it, I don't f*ing know lol that's the one thing that has always bugged me.
KH3 ranks within in my top 3 of the series as so many moments bring a tear to my eyes. Xion's return, Roxas's return, Terra's return, and hearing Donald and Goofy through my PS controller during the final fight. I know people have their gripes on it, but I just can't find it in me to see KH3 in a negative light.
I noticed that you keep editing headphones onto the characters in this episode and it’s really funny. I can’t wait to play the Keyblade Graveyard section because it just sounds so cool! I’m still in awe as to how they managed to program the ‘Union X players helping you section’ it’s so technically impressive and I love it. Excellent on the fly explanation of the crews’ deaths. The separation of the fights through the maze is a good chunking technique so you don’t have to fight all of them at once. I’m really curious as to what the wild card is. The second deaths of the og Nobodies are very sad, especially Marly’s. I hope they’re recombined and just…. hanging around in 4 somewhere.
My only thing is I wish Chase hadn’t spoiled that the Guardian was Terra back in the BBS episode, would have made the reveal a much bigger surprise
I think. I THINK I might've found a way to phrase the Power of Waking in a way that is somewhat coherent. The "traverse hearts to reach worlds, not worlds to reach hearts" line is such a stupid way to clarify this because it's probably the most obtuse way to do so. Ok, SO, what I believe this means is that TPoW is meant to utilise Hearts as a starting point and a compass, you use a Heart that's within or around you and trace its connections to far-away Worlds.
Now when Sora, as Young Xehanort said, "traverses Worlds to reach Hearts" what I THINK this means is tracing some kind of connection BACKWARDS, which basically results in him doing inter-dimensional instant-transmissions. More or less he just WILLS himself next to his friends' Hearts without following the proper flow of the universe. It's like the universe is a big cat and he keeps stroking his fur in the wrong direction, and the cat gets really pissed off, real quick.
Now the only problems is TPoW apparently also can do what it's name suggests and wake up/release/make connections for sleeping or lost Hearts. And also also it seems to be what allows Sora to fuck with time. It took me a while to finally put it together what connects all these, but in the most succinct way it's: the ability to manipulate Hearts. Now I don't/can't know if TPoW is the name for the totality of this ability or just a part or stage of it, but it seems to me this is the fundamental ability of all Keyblade weilders. Their weapons don't do physical damage in the traditional sense, but they break down the metaphysical Body that houses the metaphysical Heart, and from that comes more and more control of their own Heart and the Hearts around them(sharing it with others, taking over others', traveling through them, throwing them through space and time), up to the point of highest mastery where they can manifest the Heart of the very universe itself, Kingdom Hearts (which is the short, one sentence explanation of "What is Kingdom Hearts?")
I really think this more or less what Nomura and other writers are going for, but they're either too comfortable leaving it all up to sub-text and innuendo hidden in cryptic dialog and monologues, or they legit don't want us to have a clear picture of this at this point. I think the former is more likely, but the later is also possible if you consider that Sora is the main POV of the series and he likely doesn't understand jack s**t about this either. He got enough of a hang of it in 3 to kinda do it by feel, but then immediately used it so wrong he got straight banished. They called KH3 the end of an arc, and that's most likely for Soraas well, not just Xehanort. I believe it's finally time for Sora to start growing up mentally and familiarise himself with the concept of "consequences" and maybe, JUST MAYBE stop tying 100% of his self-worth to other people and start believing in himself a little.
The maze Xehanort makes is actually meant to be symbolic of the chess board.
Watching through these for the first time and loving them!!!! I doubt you read the comments on these older vids, but if you do (and if this hasn’t already been explained or said later on) but Yozora and Noctis aren’t just ‘seemingly’ parallels, they are explicitly the same in terms of concept, leading to the fact that Nomura is more than probably creating VS13 in KH. Biggest clue in to this is their names mean the exact same thing in two different languages, that being ‘Night sky’. The original name for Luna Freya too was ‘Stella’ meaning ‘Star’, and the woman in the Verum Rex trailer is seen with a star necklace. Also the warp strike instead of being a strike that warps you is a warp portal that Yozora strikes through. Nomura is a fucking deranged person. Love the videos 🖤
I seriously haven't played any KH games more than a couple hours in 3 and 1 , and legitimately started tearing up .
Chase did an amazing job with this story.
Thank you
"Neil is standing up, Chase is crying, Monty {I'm} is tearing up. It's a good day." NEEDS TO BE A SHIRT! 1:42:35
Just a note about when all the light heroes died. It wouldn't stop the x blade from forming as there are 6 other princesses of light not including Kairi so the 13 could use them instead if kairi and the other 6 can't be used.
He can take your channel.
He can take your mind.
He can make you question everything you know.
But if it's your fate (and it is)
Then every step forward will be a step closer to Union X.
I feel like game hamstrings the impact of your "Everything goes wrong at the keyblade graveyard" section by not giving all the side characters adequate power scaling. We have no idea how powerful any of them are in comparison to each other, so when Ven gets bodied we don't know how much that should matter. Axel is arguably the weakest of their number except maybe Kairi because he at least has been a combatant for years, so watching him get sent DBZ style through rocks into a mountain doesn't tell us much. And Goofy/Donald have always been a bit weaker than Sora despite them NOT being Metroided every single game so they should arguably be getting stronger by continuing to fight while Sora catches back up to his old strength and then surpassing it.
So at some point in the series, we should have seen Goofy do some impressive feats of strength and durability, like helping Hercules do something to show just how physically powerful he has become over all these experiences and that he is something greater than being owner of the team's only brain cell- so when Terranort knocks him back with 1 blow it should be an "Oh shit" moment for the players. And likewise Donald's limits should have shown power equivatlent to at least the Gigaflare even stronger than Aqua's Megaflare from BBS- so when he casts Zetta, it should 1: feel even remotely plausible for him to know about let alone cast, and 2: it should be obvious that the ONLY reason he is casting it is because it is an absolute last ditch effort to save everyone else from death- and he should have faded to light indicating a permadeath (before all Sora's time shenanigans).
They had the time over the course of 4 games with those 2 at our sides to show that they were worthy of being the right and left hands of 2 Keyblade Masters and the King of a world. But the gameplay and cutscenes just never show us the power that they should have before this point until Donald busts out something that we would better believe if just about any other character or even combination of characters had cast it. I think maybe it wouldn't be so shocking if like Merlin, Yensid, Aqua, and Donald all cast together somehow and then passed out.
13:01 That keyblade is one they use in DDD as well.
2:58:33 More Square properties in KH? Octopath world in KH5 let’s go!
So I could be wrong but I was under the impression that the Masters of Masters was the traitor. He betrayed all of them by setting them up against each other and gave Luxo/zigbar the most important task.
Chase was actually Jiminy the whole time!
Combined keyblade is the link attack that Sora and Riku used in Dream Drop Distance
Great now I wanna replay 3 for the 20th time lmaoo
OK assuming we see more of Square Enix properties in future games, how does this ultimately affect the Final Fantasy characters we've already met?
Like in Kingdom Hearts canon, we've had Cid, Aerith and Leon who came from Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden, then there's Cloud, Tifa, Sephiroth and those three fairy things that appeared in KH2, who are also from Radiant Garden...?
I guess Auron too, but he's dead and brought back from the Underworld, so I don't know where that leaves him
Thank you for at least mentioning the sleeping world's theory
Yen sid wanted them to have the power of waking to trace connections to hearts to figure out where ven/aqua and terras are and presumably each other if they get lost during the final battle.
Sora kind of figures out he can use the power to basically teleport exactly to where the hearts are located. Unfortunately where they are is dead so hes bringing them back using this connection instead.
Also remember from the other games that hearts and memories are connected. Going to MX heart in the end took them to scala because of MX memories of it. I think thr keyblade graveyard is basically whats left of scala/daybreak
I hate that I played this game before I had any of the context and the return of important characters meant nothing to me.
As requested chase
.... please do the sleeping worlds theory.
i need you to know that i am sighing heavily in resignation as kh 1.5+2.5 is downloading.
I too miss the days of darkness darkness hearts friendship data
The building’s 109.
They isekai'd Sora, holy shit
A kh game for PSVR
Kingdom Hearts VR (Verum Rex)
Like how KH Dream Drop Distance is on the 3Ds
I dont know what the sleeping realms theory is but ill look it up.
However if part of it is based on that the portals are the spiky dome shaped things. Riku also used this at the end of DDD to enter soras heart to save him. I believe its just representative of the power of waking being tied to the dream scape or whatever.
I 100% dont believe kh3 takes place within a dream.
I kept waiting for some some one to say it was the mans castle (beasts) at scala ad caelum 😂
The sleeping realms theory can't possibly be 600 pages of real content
Correct a lot of space is taken up by screenshots
Question, is it possible that Nomura is going to self insert himself as the Master of the master s?
That was exactly what came to mind
I tried reading some of sleeping realms theory, but it immediately lost me when it became just Sora/Riku shipping and Kairi bashing.
You guys should check out nier automata. It's another really good game with a great story and is a square game so it could eventually make an appearance in kingdom hearts.
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I wholeheartedly agree that the "everything was a dream" theory is not true simply because that would be just plain bad. I can see them making the reality/unreality dichotomy between Quadratum and what we known so far as the KH universe, the point being that each is real from their own point of view. Also it's really easy to blame dream logic for narrative contrivances and shortcuts, but on a base level KH literally runs on disney magic and dream logic. It may be "shockingly compelling" when you follow the theory makers full thought process, but if by the end, the theory can't answer the question of "how does this make the story better", I see no point in believing it.
I suppose, in KH sleeping world does have a bit of a different meaning then in other "it was all a dream" theories, so maybe there's something there, but I personally think it's just next level overthinking. Chirity says that edge of sleep and death touch right? And when you die, you pass THROUGH the Last World into death, meaning the Last World itself is still on this side of the fence, on the side of sleep. Ergo, when making a portal out of there, it would appear as a sleepy keyhole. I don't think that's too hard of a logic to follow, but I guess y'all were pretty sloshed at this point.
2:47:30 Me, for one.
ROXAS!!!!!
Hot take but Goofy is more annoying to me than Donald.
I mean I love the idea of the series but just like Naruto am I gonna invest all that time into the Fandom probably not.
The villain should not get that much of a happy ending when we're still mourning the death of kairi
It's not really a happy ending, his heart returns to Kingdom Hearts, as all hearts do eventually. Not a single person actually forgives Xehanort for what he did, but they don't try to keep his heart from going back to Kingdom Hearts, as it's not up to them.
@@KodasGarden I agree that that is what happens, but when compared to previous villains becoming purged of their evil, or no longer existing after facing Sora and co, the final time of their game;
It feels like Master Xehanort didn't face consequences equivalent to his crimes
Fun fact: The X-Blade in KH3 is not the real one. The REAL one can’t be forged until the 13 Darknesses and the 7 Princesses of Heart properly clash and reunite.
So, I pose to you three two questions: Was this indeed the real Kingdom Hearts? The second: What do you think happened to the X-Blade?
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So glad you’re here to suffer with us, Monty. ❤ Have Chase do the Sleeping Realms theroy, it’d be great chaos!
Uh… no, it is the complete X-Blade that was forged. You’re thinking of the Keyblade of Heart.
There is no fake x-blade...
There was an incomplete x-blade in bbs due to the ven/itas union.
The one in kh3 is very real.
Recall what Yin Sid says in DDD. the X Blade broke into 20 pieces: 13 of Darkness (the 13 original darkness) and 7 of light (the Seven Princesses)
Why else would the Master of Masters make the heart symbol in front of the moon?