Funny thing is Atlas is an American who had to develop an Irish accent to fool the player/Jack, while Karl Hanover the voice actor is an Irishman who has to develop an American accent to make Fontaine convincing. GOAT
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It's so nicely tied together. The moment where Andrew Ryan says his final "OBEY", sounds like russian word "kill" (oobey). Given that he says "dasvidaniya" in the beginning of the game, it could be a nice word play
One thing to add - I think it's implied that Elizabeth has her powers because her body exists in two different timelines at once as a result of her pinkie being severed.
I think that's ALSO the reason why, by the time of the 2nd DLC, her powers are waning now. As she's murdering the various itterations of Comstock those versions of Elizabeth vanish (as seen by the ending of the main game) and her further attempts to prevent her own "destiny" so to speak is further collapsing worlds in on themselves. The fewer itterations that exist of Comstock; the fewer that exist of Elizabeth in the spacetime, the further her powers weaken too. Basically at the end of the base game she exists as a quantum superposition (like the Lutece's). Theoretically that means she's a constant in the universe (she exists everywhere at the same time) and as she's aware of this can influence the spacetime around her (her opening up tears to make "possibles" a fixed reality)... by collapsing other realities her own existence becomes much more solidified; her eality becomes "fixed"
As Elizabeth... let's call her Nexus Elizabeth, is destroying instances of Comstock, she's destroying timelines wherein she gets her powers. Destroying Comstock inherently destroys herself, and as Nexus Elizabeth is a nexus of all versions of herself; she destroys herself.
It wasn't implied. The Luteces explained that she's in a "super position" because of that pinky event. This super position allowed her to tap into these powers.
This has a more interesting point behind it too. If I recall, some of the teachings of Satanism also point to seeing oneself as God or having that sort of potential and that Satan left heaven because he wanted freedom.
The protectiveness that Bioshock 2 instilled in me for protecting the little sister was unreal. The primal rage that would come over me when a splicer touched my little sister was intense.
When you talk about the dilemma with saving the girls or harvesting them, I think it's worth noticing that you know how much adam you get because you finished the game. If you don't know how much you will be rewarded makes it actually a nice suprise for a player who realises he didn't need to kill all those girls to get a similar amount of adam.
i disagree. i just think it's reaffirming the morals you show, by rewarding you regardless of the choice you make. since the morality system of bioshock one is more a test of which morals you hold, instead of a choice between a clear good and bad that it has decided for you. like the second game was. for instance, you could see the little girls as victims of a mad scientist that is only trying to save them to save themselves from the guilt of creating them. but that doesn't change the fact that they have had their humanity stolen from them, and any chance at a dignified existence has gone with those actions. so killing them is a mercy. personally, i chose to save the girls. but that is because of my personal beliefs and the subjective good i seek to embody. but that doesn't mean it's absolute, because no good is.. it's a matter of subjectivity. another person could look at this situation completely differently, kill the girls and still believe what they did was a just act of mercy with no alternative. the game rewards you with the same atom regardless of what you chose because it understands this. personally i think this sort of morality system is brilliant, because it give's you two choices that could be good or evil depending on the person making the choice. it isn't preaching the morals of it's creator, but leaving it open to interpretation. which is why i'm guessing many people feel locked into a certain path, your not being locked into a certain path. it's exposing your morality which makes you feel that way because your morality will not change as you play.
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Me realizing just now that the present from "your parents" in the opening cutscene of Bioshock 1 says on it "Would you kindly not open it until..." This game is freaking deep.
@@sethgilcrist8088 yeah idk if that was intentional or not, but after getting stabbed in the back by Atlas, I decided ain't no one trust worthy in bioshock lol. Incredible writing regardless, the bioshock games are timeless.
@@sethgilcrist8088 well, I don't know how much I really think the 3rd one is even a bioshock game, cuz it felt like a completely different game, just with the same title. I honestly wonder if the game would've done better had it not been named bioshock, cuz I had expectations for that game given it was a bioshock game, and they just didn't deliver the way I would've liked. If I didn't go in expecting it to be like the first two, I feel like I would've enjoyed it more. But the first two were phenomenal. I also played the 2nd one til it broke LOL
I also realized something that I’ve never noticed, when you first enter the light house in bio-shock 1 and see the statue of Andrew Ryan when you hover over it for long enough the text that pops up calls it propaganda even though this is supposed to be jacks first time in rapture. It makes sense when you think about how jack was “built” by Fontaine and tenenbaum, being brainwashed into hunting and eventually killing Andrew Ryan.
I also find it kinda of funny that the banner says "No gods or Kings only man" and yet Ryan has set a statue up of himself inside the lighthouse just above the banner idolizing himself in the same manner of gods and kings.
@@kittentuson5892 Doesn't make sense. There are statues of dogs and horses. Are we putting them on the same level of gods and kings because we have statues of them? Of course not. Bad point.
@@ShakyBakeyAre there giant dog statues in the lighthouse entering the city built by giant dogs who espouse giant dog philosophies about giant dog individualism that ultimately make this a very ironic giant dog moment?
I was so sad when BOTH Booker and Anna (Elizabeth) had to die so the story could come full circle I really thought at least Elizabeth was gonna get an happy ending not dying at the literal ocean sea floor but so as is
It closes the loop, ends the multiple universes produced around the idea of there always being a Lighthouse, always being a City. Elizabeth dying as a child and Booker dying before he accepted the bapstism and became a Religious extremist changes the path of history and ensures that none of the scientific discoveries that lead to the creation of Colombia and Rapture come to pass as the Tears between realities never become possible to create, and thus the versions of Lutece that manage to communicate with each other are now unable to take advantage of the pre-existing tears from other Elizabeths existing across the multiverse
Did y’all see what was playing at the cinema when she opened the portal? Revenge of the Jedi in French, before they changed it to Return of Jedi Pretty cool
I think the character that I feel the most sorry for in all of the Bioshock games has to be the guardian bird all the sudden teleported to the bottom of the ocean and imploding. What a horrible fate
Bioshock was really special it was bound to do great things and taught me the importance of words "would you kindly " and of Course "A man chooses A Slave Obeys " really makes one question their own genuine motivation And if one's own motivations are truly their own or instilled in them by someone else
@@lostopportunity4701 gladly it was a very long time ago but what I remember is I had recently got my Xbox 360 it was within my first year of owning it I seen the cover art and I have always been fascinated by deep sea divers and old diving suits when I seen this I immediately knew I was in for a ride little did I know what really I was getting myself into one of the best gaming experiences of the late 2000s
I genuinely cannot overstate how much I love your video essays. Your voice isn’t super robotic or annoying, your script is well written, your opinions are well thought out and well backed up, and I just love how you make your videos as well. I just really love your stuff and hope you continue to make many more
While playing Bioshock 2 I found a pair dancing together. Not screaming like the other couples, or shooting at each other. But holding each other close while a love song played. To me that shows that there was still some humanity in the spicers.
Bioshock’s twist being that you have no choice compared to Bioshock Infinite being about (roughly) a man’s many different choices was pretty cool to me. I started with Bioshock Infinite and did not expect the ending whereas when I played through Bioshock 1 I was like “hm well bet I’m a slave or agent” after first seeing the characters wrist.
@@LostShipMate some people did see it coming. I did as well to an extent and I played it first without being spoiled. Didn’t know about atlas being Fontaine, but that wrist tattoo looked like a chain and made me think of a slave too. I didn’t think about what the phrase was, although I did find it weed how often he said it. I was just waiting on the shoe to drop that I was being played into doing what I was doing and the silent character having those chains made me think brainwashing or android personally. So I guess I didn’t guess the whole twist, but being brainwashed wasn’t too far off at that point. Infinite was probably the farthest from guessing I was. I thought the quantum twins had tried to kill comstock a bunch of times (correct) but thought it was just they had sent a bunch of different guys to try. The AD and number 73 did give me a hint at timelines but I thought they were sending multiple bookers, not that I was a young comstock. Bioshock 2 I can’t remember how much of it I guessed lol or Minerva’s den, hell I remember that dlc better than the base game of bioshock 2
@@drethom087 I guess I was just side swiped by the twist for Bioshock 1. The room before the confrontation with Ryan was when I started to figure it out.
Wow even after beating the original so many times I never realised that we were Ryan's son. It explains why we were able to even use the Bathysphere as it is made pretty clear early on that only those that share Ryan's blood can use them anymore. How did I miss that?
Maybe you missed the audiolog were they explained the project our MC was born into, it is the only time the game tells you they used Andrew Ryan's sperm to make the test baby
I'm 33 and I bought this game when it released. I can't wait for my first passing of the torch to my now 7 year old son. He just needs a few more years to be able to handle it. I honestly can't wait.
My understanding of the respawn system was that you approached the thing that killed you as a version of booker who didn't make the decisions that got him killed. The whole game is a quantum immortality machine that churns out dead bookers to realize Elizabeth's destiny.
kinda reminds me of a theory about the Destiny series. the theory is that the Ghosts dont actually revive their Guardians when they die, they just pull an alive Guardian from another timeline.
Can't agree more with the statement "Bioshock 2 is perfection." It takes the established mechanics and refines them while adding more well developed machinery. Standout sequel to a masterpiece.
Yep and many people still disliked it. While it was arguably better then the first in every way. And the only difference was the first had the benefit of being the first and had a really cool twist.
It is strange that in Bioshock 2 you play as a Big Daddy, but aren't a complete powerhouse. In fact you're overwhelmed a lot more. But, in Bioshock Infinite you play as Booker and he's able to fight off the overwhelming odds better, even though he's in line with Jack's level of strength.
To be fair, Booker did have previous fighting experience. He fought in Wounded Knee and had been in the military. Jack had no prior experience with fighting so Booker did have the upper hand when he got to Columbia
I remember that when i rescued Ellie i never resorted to violence once we got outside, UNTIL i was forced to, because i realized how innocent she was i never crossed that line unless my or Ellie's life was in mortal danger, and at one point we were on an airship platform, i was out of ammo, no plasmids no grenades, about to die, pinned down i was trying to think of what to do to get us out of this, then Ellie tosses me a fully loaded tommy gun with more ammo, at that moment i was so grateful and kinda sad because it was then that i realized we were partners but that Ellie was aware that we needed to kill those people to survive, she was a good kid and i was upset how the dlc ended her story.
Audiologs are not unimmersive. It's just shorthand for flipping through someone's phone to find out what's going on. And people sending text messages and voice mails for stupid things is about as realistic as can be.
Yeah I agree it needs to get more love than it's gotten whileI don't think that it's better than Bioshock 1 I will agree that the combat was better and they changed that annoying hacking system which I hated and the camera had more usage and was more understood as a device overall it took some of the bad things and made it better but for me the story so in good in Bioshock 1 that it puts over the top for me
@@nottodayimbusy7146 its a matter of subjective opinion, for one thing I love System shock but i know a lot of people will NEVER get into it.Bioshock 2 i can never really get into, the the bright art style clashes with Rapture, and I had complaint with a silent character being close to a talking one, (aka same complaints i had with Half life 2) but infinite was a lot more linear, but it kinda fixes some of the Character complaints I have, but in return it broke the lore which is pretty much an odd sacrifice, but kinda worth it because it focuses more on characters which makes sense since nobody cares about Objectivism in Bioshock 1 just the cool characters/Big daddies/ Little sisters.
Bioshock 2 was the first one I ever played and made me fall in love with the series. I’m barley playing the first one right now gonna play the second one once I’m done
Glad to see someone else that enjoys bioshock 2. Also, the reason why that big daddy bonded with the little sisters is through the act of kindness of giving him Adam when he was down. They did the same with songbird in infinite. It's nice as the bonds were not all manufactured but as you said it kinda went against what was established.
One more parallel between 1 and infinite is that the first thing the blind splicer says when they smell you in the batisphere at the beginning of the game is "who's there? Is it someone new?". In infinite the guy that baptizes you is also blind and when you push yourself through the crowd also asks "is it someone new?" Just a cool little detail
That splicer isn't blind. A blind person couldn't have gutted Johnny perfectly, or climbed the walls while being fired upon by the flying bot, or need to shield their eyes when the bot shined its lights on her.
I fell asleep watching lore videos on my phone and then woke up to this playing. Not only is it about one of my favorite game series of all time, the guy in the video talks so smoothly it was mesmerizing.
I think the changes to Daisy in the DLC were a response to criticism over the base game equating Daisy with Comstock. The scene where she threatens a child is a too-obvious way of making her seem like a villain on par with Comstock, because the idea of an oppressor and someone fighting that oppression being equals wasn't landing. The DLC scene is there to retcon this and try to give a reason for why Daisy would do something so cartoonishly evil.
This is super late, but I have to get this off my chest: they ruined her character by doing this. She was a flawed person, and her motivation for murdering the kid made sense. Comstock and Fink ruined her life and killed her friends, you find this out through audiotapes. In her mind, she was making a necessary sacrifice, and getting revenge. By reversing this, the story makes less sense.
@@seventy-sixtrombones4130it wasn't really about Daisy though, people were pissed that Ken Levine was such a crap writer. The point he was trying to make was a bad one (people do not automatically become just as bad the oppressors if they react after being subjugated for decades. We quite literally see what's being done throughout our play). This poor point caused him to just say screw it let's make her kill a kid because then I can prove my crap point! It was shoehorned in and bad. I'm pretty sure you're thinking about her character 10x more than Ken and his writers did lol
I have never seen a video make me wanna play a game so bad, you explained the lore and gameplay so well I felt like I was truly in the game. You just earned yourself a subscriber
I like how each different game contrasts with eachother despite keeping the same world building. It’s such a beautiful franchise from the cruel capital bordering on the tyrannical idealism of Andrew Ryan, to the idea of pure selflessness which corrupts the vision of Zofia Lamb (who strives to create a world in which the ends justifies the means for the greater good), to the theological prophethood led by Zachary Comstock. And even through it all even with contrasting characters with different ideals and governing it all connects, every character has an effect on everything else eventually. It’s all connected down to the themes of religion to tyranny. A poetic and beautiful storytelling experience and so much to be taken away from it all.
It's interesting that the villian from the first games name is Atlas, when the whole world seems to be a twist on ayn rands atlas shrugged, with rapture being the inevitable conclusion of the "paradise" of gaults canyon.
It's not a twist, it's a refutation. It takes painstaking detail to highlight the dysfunction of a "objectivist" and Rand-vareity libertarian society. From worker mistreatment elucidated in audio logs, the only morality being that of absolute freedom to do absolutely anything (even if it makes other less free), and the fact that Andrew Ryan is literally a namesake to Ayn Rand showing how his vision would fail and crumble under the consequences. Even the main point of the game shows us that "Freedom" as Rand presents it is a falsehood as Jack is created as an antithesis to freedom. How Fontaines ability to do whatever he wants with *his* freedom has created a man with no freedom to speak of.
Alsom about Infinite and Booker- you can notice that Leutece twins give hints that Booker we play as wasn't the first attempt. You can hear their remark about the Shield tonic working- I think Robert remarked that he's supprised that "It worked this time" which means in other timelines the thing either killed Booker on the spot or didn't work at all (and you know how screwd you are without it). The other thing, and thing people most notice, is the Heads-to-Tails ratio on the board. Assumedly every single of the marks was Booker from each of their tries, guess this one is one of their experiments- checking if a person from parallel reality has different "luck" (sort to say). I also have personal theory that all the times you die before you meet Elizabeth your Booker actually dies- like, you aren't playing the same person if you die before meeting Elizabeth, these Bookers are dead and Leutece bring in a new one. I think the fall after first Songbird chase also ends up with Booker actually dying and you playing as a new one... but this one is far more contencious, since you fall with Elizabeth and she lives, and there is the explanation you fell into a flying beach not an actuall surface one. PS. There is also a running theory why Burial at Sea is the way it is- it's a retcon because someone didin't like the Bioshock 2. Basically, Bioshock 2 wasn't exactly made by Irrational Games- it was made by 2K Marine, a french dev studio of 2K, the publisher of Bioshock series. Long story short, it was either a response to people "not liking" Bioshock 2 or Ken Levine's middle finger towards 2K Marine and Bioshock 2
BioShock 2 was fucking great. I don’t understand the hate behind it. It reminds me of Borderlands:The Pre-Sequel, in how most people that I see don’t like it but I do, and can’t understand the hate. Maybe it’s because I played both franchises late.
@@callmepsycho3132 I also played bioshock 2 late. I love the narrative but I got lost fast and then just disappeared for a while. I never gave it a 100 hour chance. Which is why I'd like to experience it again. Speaking of the presequal I played the hell out of all the borderlands and loved it. But I feel the loot system and the random object interactions felt like bioshock. Idk why maybe I'm crazy
Honestly, I adored your enthusiasm for Bioshock 2. The game gets treated like the direct to video followup to the original but that seems like a massive disservice to it because it is a fantastic game with a great expansion on the original
I've always liked that sacrificing your humanity doesn't actually do much for you long-term in game 1. I realize why people are dissatisfied but I actually think of that as a strength of the narrative rather than a flaw. It feels right
I highly disagree with the sentiment ppl wouldnt make audio recordings of mundane life. People have been keeping diaries for centuries. Modern diaries are just blogs and vlogs.
Ehh... Not really. We had cassette players back in the day & no one was going around talking to them about what they were doing all day. If you compare it only to online blogs, I could see why it would maybe make sense, but online for sharing is way different than rambling into a tape to no one. I've never once found an old cassette & heard people talking to themselves.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; bioshock 2 is just as valid as the other two, and personally my favorite. The fact that people some people hate bioshock 2 baffles me, subjective taste is of course valid, but i simply cannot understand how you could say bioshock 2 sucks, if you've played it. (It's also one of the games that kickstarted the "Father simulator" era of games)
I concur the story may not be as strong as 1 ( dont really care for infinite) but I think it is underrated. I did feel that feeling of bonding with a little sister and I enjoyed it when they cheered for you and how happy they are to see you when you save them.
I've always stated that Bioshock 1 has the better story, but 2 has the better gameplay. No one I've talked to in person has disagreed with that assessment so it's weird for me to hear that so many others claim that no one liked 2 at all.
The Bioshock franchise is one of my most favorite videogames ever, I played Bioshock 1 twice and also Infinite with their DLCS , sadly I could not play Bioshock 2 due to the extreme ammount of crashes that this game has at least on the Steam platform, but even not playing it, the story of all this world is just breathtaking, and you need more and more of that. Thanks for this wonderful video.
Amazing video. I actually enjoy Infinite's second DLC, it felt like an attempt to make a full circle. Infinite makes you think that your choices matters, but they dont, while Bioshock 1 is the total opposite, it makes you believe that you don't have any choice, but you do. Loved all of that theme of constants and variables, there is always a city, there is always a lighthouse, there is always a father/daugther figure. It seems like Elizabeth and Booker cannot find peace, thats a constant, but Elizabeth choose the only path that allows to that father and daugther figure to finally find peace, which is to set in motion the events the conclude in the good ending of Bioshock 1. The execution was not optimal, but i liked the general idea. The complete story of all Bioshock games are in my opinion one of the best stories i have ever experienced in general, including cinema, books, or any other format. Bioshock is a perfect example of how a narrative and game mechanichs can be put together in order to create an exceptional piece of digital art/entertainment that makes you feel things that are very difficult to reproduce in any other format, it is an unique experience. Note: The Anabelle ghost was completely out of place lol
Amazing video! It’s so surprising to me how after all these years it is still not common knowledge that Bioshock is a direct adaptation of Ayn Rand’s book Atlas Shrugged. Atlas and other names are taken directly from her work, even Andrew Ryan is named after her. And Fountaine is named after his previous work The Fountainhead. I would really recommend everyone to read her work, it expands the game so much and leaves you wondering and pondering. Funny that you mentioned Mark Meltzer in Bioshock 2! His story is even deeper if you were part of the pre release ad campaign, where you followed around his research to find his daughter, there were even real life locations events to unfold the mystery of the missing surface girls. Such a crazy story and such a sad ending to it all. Truly a revolutionary take on videogames. A man chooses a slave obeys, and Irrational Games decided to choose perfection.
"Change your look, change your sex, change your race. *it's yours to change, nobody else's* " He says, as he starts changing patients in ways they don't want and operating on non-patients against their wills
So- personally love Minerva's Den and the audiolog of Milton turning on the finished Personality Function. Like, the VA for Milton trully plays the sheere fear and dispair in his voice when he activates the finished thing and still realizes that it isn't right, that this isn't his wife and it isn't something that should have ever be done Addition- about Steinman. He didn't only went mad from seeking perfection. If I recall correctly he was a cocaine adict and durring one high he hallucinated conversation with Aphrodite, I think he migh even took cocaine before he worked so it all mixed up- want of perfection and Aphrodite "speaking" to him drove him to insanity
Someone probably already said this but Ryan is voiced by Armin Shimmerman, (Quark from DS9). Also J. G. Hertzler (Martok, DS9) and Rene Auberjonois, (Odo) do some voices as well.
@@WaveForceful It actually makes a lot of sense if you know just how powerful ignorance can be when the person spouting such ignorance refuses to be proven wrong; We've seen this happen all over our planet for centuries now: Many groups of people who refuse to accept that they're wrong, and end up going to some extreme measures just to make sure their bubble isn't broken.
One little deep cut: Objectivism was pioneered by Ayn Rand, who wrote ATLAS Shrugged. A book basically making the same argument as Andrew Ryan. Also "Ayn Rand" is a partial anagram for "And(rew) Ryan", never noticed any of this until I watched this retrospective.
Man, this was good. I read the book Rapture, it gave so much detail on the many characters of Bioshock. I think its a masterpiece and we should leave it as is. If they ever return to that universe, I think it should be done like God of War compare to the Trilogy of God Of war, it should add to the universe than alter it. Love the vid!!!
Great video, only pointer is that you didn't mention why elizabeth had powers, because one part of her got cut off, and therefore she existed in 2 dimensions at the same time, resulting in her powers to start developing
I just realized that Bioshock Infinite is an alternate universe of Bioshock 2. Delta and Eleanor, DeWitt and Ellie. Lamb and Comstock. A missing daughter, lost at a young age, found when older. Either Infinite was an attempt to bring the underrated Bioshock 2’s story to light, or due to it’s tackling of alternate universes, Bioshock Infinite is an alternate universe parallel to Bioshock 2.
Yup. Made those connections instantly. I do like how Infinite makes the relationship a little more personal, but Bioshock 2 and it’s DLC are definitely overlooked and very underrated.
these videos actually made me want to play again i got the second one when i was younger and was scared to death by it but now i just got the collection and now im loving it , thank you bro (its down to 8;99 on ps btw)
Bioshock 2 is by far my favorite game in the series despite how much hair I pulled out using the remastered version(frequent crashes). It had the best narrative and gameplay in my opinion with some of the most variation plasmid and gun-wise out of any Bioshock game. As a side note I only played these games on the hardest difficulties so it was a little funny to see enemies downed in one or two shots in your gameplay footage.
I am now the proud owner of the Bioshock Collection! I've been on the fence about it for a long time. I woke up to this video and figured I'd let it play while I prepared for my day, but between your review, the masterpiece of Bioshock, and it's ON SALE IN EPIC STORE!! I bought it. Thank you for this, it's very well done!
I've always been a nintendo kid and immediately bought the collection when i saw it on Switch. Bioshock has always been my go-to when I'm itching to game
Daisy Fitzroy was supposed to show that being a violent extremist isn't good but people where mad that she was portrayed badly because she was against racists or somthing. So the scene in burial at sea 2 is supposed to retcon it because people where incapable of understanding nuance.
Don't forget that the city of Rapture is based on Ayn Rand's philosophy which is portrayed in the book "Atlas Shrugged" so another "Atlas" symbol to work in.
thank you. hard to believe this is not even mentioned. with all the adulation shown to the writing, when so much of it is so deeply indebted to Rand’s AS
@@athroughzdude you’re right in that Bioshock is very critical of Rands objectivism, but the game simply could not existed without Rand. it’s just so fundamental to the universe. Andrew Ryan, Ayn Rand. It’s just weird that it’s not even mentioned. it comes off as an oversight, but clearly someone who knows this much about BS ip must know about Atlas Shrugged. i’m guessing he hasn’t read it? it’s really long so i wouldn’t blame him. it would be a pretty deep dive to read a (i forget exactly) roughly 600 page book to better understand a video game series.
Listened to the entire video while at work today, and it was a great. You chose the best times of when and when not to analyze narrative elements. The whole thing was better paced than some movies, even tho these were different videos just put together. Really shows how well you made each retrospective when the overall pacing still works at nearly 3hours in length.
Currently playing this series for the first time and loving it. I remember being young and trying to play the first games demo on ps3 and just being too scared to move. Fast forward to me being 25 and still being scared of the game lol
Played all of BioShock recently since it was free on epic games, haven't had such a good time in years with a game. I really enjoyed BioShock 2 and both burials at sea.
I'm 25 min into the video so far and it's exactly what I'm looking for. I am in the middle of Bioshock 1 but I needed a refresher on the story covered so far. I'm so glad you aren't outright spoiling the plot but going through it as a player would. Then I can just pause the video when I catch up to where I am in game, and just finish the game. Awesome analysis too.
Great video and summary. I think you covered the story and games well, and I’m glad to see such a vocal Bioshock 2 fam as I know a lot of people who talk down on it. I feel like you missed or got confused on a couple of points, but one of the main ones is Elizabeth’s role with the bonding process. The Adam isn’t the part that makes the big daddy’s bond, it’s healing them. The conditioning and pheromones were working on the girls, but they needed to heal the big daddy to make it bond backwards with them the same way that Elizabeth did with the song bird when she was young. Also not sure if you misunderstood or just skipped over, but Elizabeth can open tears and the like because her pinky split her physically a cross multiverses.
I’m really glad to find someone else appreciating the masterpiece Bioshock 2. It’s sad when many people only play Infinite and praising it as the best game ever.
BioShock 1 made Ken Levine a household name. BioShock 2 used what was created before in order to expand the universe as well as create it's own tale for player to play through. BioShock Infinite (I'm talking about the DLC ) redcons a hole bunch of stuff in order to tale it's own tell while also trying to rewrite BioShock 1 as well as deliperately ignore the existence of BioShock 2.
Burial at Sea ignores Bioshock 2 because Ken Levine had nothing to do with 2 - it wasn't his. Through the creator's mindset, 2 is probably not cannon. Although I do believe there are some references to Bioshock 2 in Burial at Sea? Not a lot but I think Lamb is mentioned and I think Dionysus Park as well.
I might have missed it because I was using the video as noise but started getting really interested partway through the first half, but I think that Andrew Ryan and rapture are a critique of Ayn Rand's sociopathic (imo) "Atlas Shrugged", capitalist "utopia" and taking capitalism to it's logical and unchained conclusion and its is pretty on the nose about that
This was an awesome video I loved how you went into the story about bioshock because it has to be one of my favorite games out of all that I’ve played/watched. It took me a few days to finish your video but it was awesome and I’m really happy you made this :)
Not even gonna lie sacrificing the little sisters for the achievement straight made me cry. I still can't do it, it feels wrong because they are actually children. They did so good on the story for these games to make us care like that. Even my dad who never cried balled his eyes out the first time he sacrificed one of the sisters
the first bioshock game is so special to me, even though i was little when it came out, and i've never really played it myself. as a little girl (i'm not a girl anymore, but mentioning that i was is important here,), i'd watch my dad play through the game, and it would just be quality time between us without my step brothers. i'd watch him harvest little sisters and idk why but i asked if i was a little sister, would he turn me into a weird slug thing? and he said of course not. i know it sounds silly but the big daddy characters are special to me because they protect little sisters like my dad said he'd protect me. nowadays i can appreciate the game more for its art and story, as well as those memories. all around, a great game
Bioshock One and Two are just amazing pieces of work in dn near every sense, and Infinite has quite an amazing world and pretty alright gameplay. However, it just falls off nearing the middle, the combat is off, any morality is out the window, and the end just isn't worth going through it all imo. Glad to see a full retrospective on every Bioshock game!
Im glad that bioshock 2 has recently been getting the love it deserved all along. Following bioshock was no easy task and while the story didnt have a mind shattering twist like the first one did and the social commentary about communism wasnt quite as strong as the first games take on ayn rand objectivist style anarcho capitalism, the gameplay was vastly improved, the story was gripping and atleast for me more emotionally engaging, aside from andrew ryan the characters were more interesting, and the two tiered ending structure made my choices feel more impactful. i adore bioshock 2 and was massively disappointed by infinite well before the train wreck that was burial at sea and am glad to see the games falling into the places they all deserved from the begining. Side note i know it isnt as important to the overall story but the ending of something in the sea in bioshock 2 and Minerva's den are stand out moments each in their own right as well Edit: i wanted to add keeping subject delta's identity and back story as minimal as possible was to me a massive part of why i love that game so much. We arent watching jack's story as great as it is or booker's or elizabeth's, we are watching our own.
I honestly don't read B2 as a commentary on Communism. I see it as more commentary on Ayn Rand philosophy, particularly the whole "Altruisim is Selfish". You could be like Sofia and lean into that, but acting Altruistically as Delta refute the idea that it has to be like that.
@@Ranixo286 well both games are commentaries on ayn rand but b1 is the logical extreme of objectivism and b2 is the extreme of communism itself objectivism was an answer to in my opinion. Thats why ryan talks so much about the individual above all else while lamb is willing to sacrifice anything and everything for the community and greater good at the cost of the self. One of the things i love about b1 and 2 as a set if you read it that way as an exploration of two ends of one philosophy is that it shows that both self fulfilment and individual liberty as well as altruism can go too far but a functioning society needs both
6:10 Also the way she points out your "belly" and the way she phrases it insinuating that she would/could use the giant syringe on your stomach, is a line that makes you feel very vulnerable as a player in the shoes of the character.
Gonna try and piece together the story in the exact order. 1912: -Booker is launched into Columbia and after being deemed a threat to the city, is forced to take down Combstock with Elizabeth’s help -Booker kills Combstock before dealing with the rest of the residents alongside the Songbird before losing control of the mechanical creature -Elizabeth transports herself and Booker to Rapture where the Songbird is destroyed since it was teleported underwater, while Booker and Elizabeth are safely in the city, as the machine cannot handle the water pressure. -Booker finds out Combstock is his future self and Elizabeth’s father and one of many Bookers of alternate realities that becomes Combstock and is drowned by Elizabeth to prevent the cycle 1958: -Subject Delta, the first Alpha Series Big Daddy, to successfully bond with a Little Sister, Eleanor Lamb, was Hypnotized and then forced to shoot himself by Eleanor’s mother, Sofia. 1959: -An alternate Booker and Elizabeth search for Sally -Booker, realizing his error, tries to apologize but Elizabeth does not forgive him as he is then killed by a Bouncer Big Daddy -The Big Daddy also kills Elizabeth but Elizabeth uses her powers to cheat death and continue to look for Sally who is held hostage by Frank Fontaine and agrees to let her go if Elizabeth finds the Ace in the Hole he needs to take the city from Andrew Ryan -Elizabeth, along with 2 Little Sisters, co-operate to help a dying Bouncer, as the Little Sisters give him some of their ADAM, successfully bonding them -The Little Sisters try to tell Dr. Suchong that the experiment work only for one of them to get slapped by the Scientist -The Bouncer, having witnessed this, angrily kills Suchong, while Elizabeth retrieves the Ace in the Hole after the Bouncer calms down -After giving the Ace in the Hole and told Atlas that it says “Would You Kindly”, Atlas fatally strikes Elizabeth with a Wrench -Before dying, Elizabeth sees a vision of a man, Jack Ryan, the son of Andrew Ryan, killing Atlas and adopting Sally and 4 other Little Sisters while being sung a comforting song by Sally as Elizabeth dies 1960: -Jack’s plane crashes into the ocean and Jack enters a bathysphere that takes him to Rapture -Fontaine, using his Atlas persona, guides Jack through the city asking him to help him rescue “his wife and child” while using the “Would You Kindly” Phrase -Andrew Ryan has the bathysphere “containing Atlas’s wife and child” blown up, forcing Atlas to tell Jack that Andrew Ryan needs to die -Upon heading to Ryan’s office, Jack discovers Suchong’s corpse along with evidence that he was in fact born in Rapture and Andrew is his father as well as the phrase “Would You Kindly” being written in blood -Andrew uses the phrase to have Jack kill him -After Jack puts the key in the machine, Fontaine breaks his Atlas persona and plans to run the city in his image -While unconscious, Tenembaum, manages to help partially remove the curse Jack was under, meaning Jack cannot be controlled when someone says “Would You Kindly” and offers to help him fully free him for saving the Little Sisters. -Fontaine Activates “Code Yellow” to weaken Jack till Jack finally finds the cure to free him from Fontaine’s control for good -Jack disguised himself as a Rosie Big Daddy to have a Little Sister take him to Fontaine -Fontaine sends a rogue Bouncer to kill Jack, but the Bouncer was defeated and Jack was given the Syringe he needs to drain the Adam out of Fontaine -After Jack severely weakened Fontaine enough, 5 Cured Little Sisters(one of them being Sally) attack and kill Fontaine -After gaining the Little Sister’s trust, Jack decides to adopt them and take them to the surface, fulfilling Elizabeth’s vision 1968: -Brigid Tenembaum returns to Rapture to reawaken Subject Delta and another Alpha Series named Subject Sigma -Eleanor slowly guides Delta to look for her while a man named Porter guides Sigma to the Thinker -While dealing with Big Daddies and Big Sisters along with saving Little Sisters, Delta shows Mercy to Grace and Stanley while Sigma kills Wahl -Sigma realizes that he is Porter and the voice he heard was coming from the Thinker who never gave up on him when he became Subject Sigma -Porter joins Tenembaum as they take a bathysphere to the surface to cure him -After dealing with Gil and showing mercy to him, Delta heads to the chambers to retrieve Eleanor, only for Sofia to suffocate Eleanor long enough to severe the bond Delta has with Eleanor and is restrained and left to die. -Eleanor sends a Little Sister for Delta to control through her eyes long enough to retrieve a Big Sister suit for Eleanor to put on and rescue Subject Delta -Augustus Sinclair, Delta’s friend and Guide, was captured by Sofia and turned into an Alpha Series named Subject Omega -Delta mercifully kills Sinclair, upon Sinclair’s request, so he and Eleanor can take his bathysphere and leave Rapture -Sofia escapes in Sinclair’s pod -Delta and Eleanor retrieve any remaining Little Sisters so they can bring the water to a boil -After bringing the water to a boil, fending off numerous enemies ranging from Splicers and other Alpha Series, and flooding the city, Delta and Eleanor head for the exit out of the city -Upon seeing bombs Eleanor reached out to teleport herself and Delta out of harms way but Delta was not fast enough as he is blasted out of the city by the bombs but manages to hang on to the escape pod while watching Rapture sink -Eleanor saves Sofia from drowning before reuniting with a dying Subject Delta at the surface -Eleanor mercifully kills Subject Delta to gain his memories to help her do good as she, Sofia, and the Little Sisters wait for a rescue party to arrive Many Years Later: -Jack who is close to dying in a hospital of old age, is comforted by his adopted daughters one last time
Thank you so much, i love bioshock story breakdowns. Nice clip of Diane McClintock, her story always really affected me! its so wild hearing those last few days of rapture, and from someone who knew Andrew. Her's was a sad story! I think the mystery of rapture is what has kept me enthralled for so many years (played the games at least a dozen times), always wanting to know more. The fall of rapture is some far off event and we are just putting the pieces back together!
Im sure someone had already mentioned it but the introduction music in the lighthouse is not by Bobby Darin but by Django Reinhardt-La Mer. Its just a small detail but I feel La Mer is sort of an "anthem" for Bioshock.
Comstock wast not a white supremacist. He was a WASP (White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant) supremacist. Thats why the catholic, celtic white Irish were treated the same as the Blacks or Chinese in game.
I never understood the infinite ending, after all if they went back in time to kill booker before he choose it would simply make an alternative set of timelines in which he died and also keep the ones where he did not, after all there are supposedly as many realities as choices and other small variables killing him would do nothing to the ones where he was alive.
@@rh7474 But as the 'Infinite' title implies, there are still an infinite number of Colmstocks that could presumably have come into being. Like Booker had a Baptism later or Earlier in his life? Or becomes Colmstock due to entirely different circumstances, all the Elizabeths really do is stop a specific branch of multiple timelines, at least that's what I gathered.
Exactly. There are a lot of things that don't make sense in infinite, but people choose to just ignore it and if you say something they say you just didn't get it.
i love you man, thanks so much for reigniting my love in this series. you are my new obsession. currently going back and playing minerva’s den for the first time after hearing you talk about it. 1:18:06 your king form vids are perfect for working to, hope for more of those in the future !!
Not a bad analysis other than the "current year" perspective on Bioshock Infinite and its themings. You really need to understand that that's how things were in the early 1900s. Columbia was unique mainly due to the technology it received. The average perspective from the people on the ground were just normal
Man I remember the first time I loaded into the first BioShock and absolutely fell in love with the atmosphere and music and just how well they paired together. One of the first series of games I played all the way through multiple times! Such a fantastic series
I fell asleep to a whole different genre and woke up to this. I had the craziest dreams listening to this and have never played a second of this series lmao
Ive listened to this a few times now and i can say with 100% certainty that the voice acting combined with the setting are what made this game. Andrew Ryan saying "i chose rapture" still sends a shiver down my spine even today. And Atlas calm as a cucumber telling you that your DNA is actively being rewritten is amazing.
This video is really good, I loved the Bioshock series, ever since I was 13, you might already know this, but if not, they're actually making a fourth installment to the series. It's been in development for at least three years, nothing has been officially announced yet, but they might do so in the Summer Game Fest next month. I'm just speculating. ❤️🤞 Still, nice job making this video. 👍
Just finished infinite. Highly underrated and an unsung game of the series. Feel as though the DLC wrapped up the series nicely , leaving me full but always room with more
I don't know if you just didn't know at the time the video was made, but Mark Meltzer wasn't in the game at first. He was added into the game after the success of the there's something in the sea website. It was a marketing site for the game that gave clues over the course of a few months about his investigation, from b4 his daughter got kidnapped, what led to her disappearance, and his journey into rapture. It Was very well done , and so much fun to be a part of at the time. Made the wait a little bit easier for the release of the second game
Funny thing is Atlas is an American who had to develop an Irish accent to fool the player/Jack, while Karl Hanover the voice actor is an Irishman who has to develop an American accent to make Fontaine convincing. GOAT
I acted with Karl last year in a play and he played 4 different characters with unique accents the man's a true pro.
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It's so nicely tied together. The moment where Andrew Ryan says his final "OBEY", sounds like russian word "kill" (oobey). Given that he says "dasvidaniya" in the beginning of the game, it could be a nice word play
That's actually pretty cool, had no idea. It kind of seems like he didn't want to flair his origin around considering he americanized his name
Russians fave word
@@SlimeBlueMS next to "bljat"
Well his real name is Андрей Раяновский after all. He was born in the Russian Empire.
This clown made a 3 hour video and didn't even touch on Russian symbolism 😂
One thing to add - I think it's implied that Elizabeth has her powers because her body exists in two different timelines at once as a result of her pinkie being severed.
I think that's ALSO the reason why, by the time of the 2nd DLC, her powers are waning now. As she's murdering the various itterations of Comstock those versions of Elizabeth vanish (as seen by the ending of the main game) and her further attempts to prevent her own "destiny" so to speak is further collapsing worlds in on themselves. The fewer itterations that exist of Comstock; the fewer that exist of Elizabeth in the spacetime, the further her powers weaken too. Basically at the end of the base game she exists as a quantum superposition (like the Lutece's). Theoretically that means she's a constant in the universe (she exists everywhere at the same time) and as she's aware of this can influence the spacetime around her (her opening up tears to make "possibles" a fixed reality)... by collapsing other realities her own existence becomes much more solidified; her eality becomes "fixed"
Agreed
As Elizabeth... let's call her Nexus Elizabeth, is destroying instances of Comstock, she's destroying timelines wherein she gets her powers.
Destroying Comstock inherently destroys herself, and as Nexus Elizabeth is a nexus of all versions of herself; she destroys herself.
It wasn't implied. The Luteces explained that she's in a "super position" because of that pinky event. This super position allowed her to tap into these powers.
Which is why the story is fucking stupid
"It wasn't impossible to build Rapture at the bottom of the sea; it was impossible to build it anywhere else." - Andrew Ryan
No gods or kings only man
Then, a city in the sky lol
@@FargonNemeloc they did that to
@@kys290 not actually they, another reality
That's deep bro...
The juxtaposition of Rapture and Columbia is so great. A "heaven" below the ocean and a "hell" within the clouds
This has a more interesting point behind it too.
If I recall, some of the teachings of Satanism also point to seeing oneself as God or having that sort of potential and that Satan left heaven because he wanted freedom.
@@lifeline_ lucifer was cast out of heaven because he waged war in heaven. So youre wrong. He didnt leave, he was forced
Never met a priest wo preaches about heaven, only about hell... They built that place.
Pretty strong quote fitting this
@@DionPanday Such is the Christian belief. So you're wrong, that is just your opinion. ;)
@@drake7439 doesn't make the opposite is right though.
The protectiveness that Bioshock 2 instilled in me for protecting the little sister was unreal. The primal rage that would come over me when a splicer touched my little sister was intense.
I don’t trust anyone who got the harvest ending of bio 2
The masculine urge to protect small children
First time I played BioShock 1 I harvested the heck out of the little sisters....then I played 2....never had I hated past me more than in that moment
That's when you start hearing drill motors.
oh i know id be a terrible dad cuz i literally could not give less of af about those girls
People using devices to record themselves talking about mundane topics? Rapture was very ahead of us, they already had vlogging
They did that as well in alien isolation
fancy diary
@@Chellekathryn well alien isolation was set in the future so not shocking
@Shattered 214 2137 if I reminded myself correctly. It's set 15 years after the first film
They had vlogs in real life before bioshock even had come out yet
When you talk about the dilemma with saving the girls or harvesting them, I think it's worth noticing that you know how much adam you get because you finished the game. If you don't know how much you will be rewarded makes it actually a nice suprise for a player who realises he didn't need to kill all those girls to get a similar amount of adam.
This is true, a blind playthrough or even if you don't know a lot will test how cruel or kind the player would be
i disagree. i just think it's reaffirming the morals you show, by rewarding you regardless of the choice you make. since the morality system of bioshock one is more a test of which morals you hold, instead of a choice between a clear good and bad that it has decided for you. like the second game was. for instance, you could see the little girls as victims of a mad scientist that is only trying to save them to save themselves from the guilt of creating them. but that doesn't change the fact that they have had their humanity stolen from them, and any chance at a dignified existence has gone with those actions. so killing them is a mercy.
personally, i chose to save the girls. but that is because of my personal beliefs and the subjective good i seek to embody. but that doesn't mean it's absolute, because no good is.. it's a matter of subjectivity. another person could look at this situation completely differently, kill the girls and still believe what they did was a just act of mercy with no alternative.
the game rewards you with the same atom regardless of what you chose because it understands this.
personally i think this sort of morality system is brilliant, because it give's you two choices that could be good or evil depending on the person making the choice. it isn't preaching the morals of it's creator, but leaving it open to interpretation. which is why i'm guessing many people feel locked into a certain path, your not being locked into a certain path. it's exposing your morality which makes you feel that way because your morality will not change as you play.
@@jmc2830 man the bio shock 1 and 2 really make you think about things
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@@nunukawaii755 wha, what does this mean... /:[
Me realizing just now that the present from "your parents" in the opening cutscene of Bioshock 1 says on it "Would you kindly not open it until..." This game is freaking deep.
Real so many layers of story
Oh God chills... Chills every single time.
"I chose the impossible. I chose... RAPTURE." The screen drops down, and Rapture is revealed.
I also spent the entirety of bioshock 2 waiting for Sinclair to fuck me over. Then when it didn't happen, I felt bad for doubting him
same!!! he was so smooth talking he seemed too good to be true
It's good that you felt like that.
I think they meant that to happen with the way they did one.
Or is just a really good unintented effect
@@sethgilcrist8088 yeah idk if that was intentional or not, but after getting stabbed in the back by Atlas, I decided ain't no one trust worthy in bioshock lol. Incredible writing regardless, the bioshock games are timeless.
@@autonomous8108 I don't know about three.
But I played two tell it broke the disk from over use
@@sethgilcrist8088 well, I don't know how much I really think the 3rd one is even a bioshock game, cuz it felt like a completely different game, just with the same title. I honestly wonder if the game would've done better had it not been named bioshock, cuz I had expectations for that game given it was a bioshock game, and they just didn't deliver the way I would've liked. If I didn't go in expecting it to be like the first two, I feel like I would've enjoyed it more. But the first two were phenomenal. I also played the 2nd one til it broke LOL
I also realized something that I’ve never noticed, when you first enter the light house in bio-shock 1 and see the statue of Andrew Ryan when you hover over it for long enough the text that pops up calls it propaganda even though this is supposed to be jacks first time in rapture. It makes sense when you think about how jack was “built” by Fontaine and tenenbaum, being brainwashed into hunting and eventually killing Andrew Ryan.
Neat
I also find it kinda of funny that the banner says "No gods or Kings only man" and yet Ryan has set a statue up of himself inside the lighthouse just above the banner idolizing himself in the same manner of gods and kings.
@@kittentuson5892 Doesn't make sense. There are statues of dogs and horses. Are we putting them on the same level of gods and kings because we have statues of them? Of course not.
Bad point.
@@ShakyBakeyit’s called dramatic irony and symbolism
@@ShakyBakeyAre there giant dog statues in the lighthouse entering the city built by giant dogs who espouse giant dog philosophies about giant dog individualism that ultimately make this a very ironic giant dog moment?
I was so sad when BOTH Booker and Anna (Elizabeth) had to die so the story could come full circle I really thought at least Elizabeth was gonna get an happy ending not dying at the literal ocean sea floor but so as is
It closes the loop, ends the multiple universes produced around the idea of there always being a Lighthouse, always being a City. Elizabeth dying as a child and Booker dying before he accepted the bapstism and became a Religious extremist changes the path of history and ensures that none of the scientific discoveries that lead to the creation of Colombia and Rapture come to pass as the Tears between realities never become possible to create, and thus the versions of Lutece that manage to communicate with each other are now unable to take advantage of the pre-existing tears from other Elizabeths existing across the multiverse
@@Whiteythereaper - True…but still sad! 🥹
Did y’all see what was playing at the cinema when she opened the portal? Revenge of the Jedi in French, before they changed it to Return of Jedi
Pretty cool
It’s not exactly a circle when one of the curvy lines makes a slope triangle going outwards and coming back in a scribble.
I think its because she was sort of portrayed as a disney princess when we first meet her. But then when reality kicks in the fairytale ends
I think the character that I feel the most sorry for in all of the Bioshock games has to be the guardian bird all the sudden teleported to the bottom of the ocean and imploding. What a horrible fate
Bioshock was really special it was bound to do great things and taught me the importance of words "would you kindly " and of Course
"A man chooses
A Slave Obeys " really makes one question their own genuine motivation
And if one's own motivations are truly their own or instilled in them by someone else
You bought the game right? Would you kindly explain your motivations :)
@@lostopportunity4701 gladly it was a very long time ago but what I remember is I had recently got my Xbox 360 it was within my first year of owning it I seen the cover art and I have always been fascinated by deep sea divers and old diving suits when I seen this I immediately knew I was in for a ride little did I know what really I was getting myself into one of the best gaming experiences of the late 2000s
@@abyss9316 hands down unique
@@lostopportunity4701 ....indeed...
@@abyss9316 now would you kindly elaborate
I genuinely cannot overstate how much I love your video essays. Your voice isn’t super robotic or annoying, your script is well written, your opinions are well thought out and well backed up, and I just love how you make your videos as well. I just really love your stuff and hope you continue to make many more
While playing Bioshock 2 I found a pair dancing together. Not screaming like the other couples, or shooting at each other. But holding each other close while a love song played. To me that shows that there was still some humanity in the spicers.
Bioshock’s twist being that you have no choice compared to Bioshock Infinite being about (roughly) a man’s many different choices was pretty cool to me. I started with Bioshock Infinite and did not expect the ending whereas when I played through Bioshock 1 I was like “hm well bet I’m a slave or agent” after first seeing the characters wrist.
Actual I would say infinite is perspective and not choice
Did you actually see the twist coming, or did you hear about it before you played Bioshock 1?
@@LostShipMate some people did see it coming. I did as well to an extent and I played it first without being spoiled. Didn’t know about atlas being Fontaine, but that wrist tattoo looked like a chain and made me think of a slave too. I didn’t think about what the phrase was, although I did find it weed how often he said it. I was just waiting on the shoe to drop that I was being played into doing what I was doing and the silent character having those chains made me think brainwashing or android personally. So I guess I didn’t guess the whole twist, but being brainwashed wasn’t too far off at that point. Infinite was probably the farthest from guessing I was. I thought the quantum twins had tried to kill comstock a bunch of times (correct) but thought it was just they had sent a bunch of different guys to try. The AD and number 73 did give me a hint at timelines but I thought they were sending multiple bookers, not that I was a young comstock. Bioshock 2 I can’t remember how much of it I guessed lol or Minerva’s den, hell I remember that dlc better than the base game of bioshock 2
@@drethom087 I guess I was just side swiped by the twist for Bioshock 1. The room before the confrontation with Ryan was when I started to figure it out.
I’m I’m going on to
Wow even after beating the original so many times I never realised that we were Ryan's son. It explains why we were able to even use the Bathysphere as it is made pretty clear early on that only those that share Ryan's blood can use them anymore. How did I miss that?
Maybe you missed the audiolog were they explained the project our MC was born into, it is the only time the game tells you they used Andrew Ryan's sperm to make the test baby
I am 47, my 17 year old son , loves this game... true testament that this game has held its own.
I'm 33 and I bought this game when it released. I can't wait for my first passing of the torch to my now 7 year old son. He just needs a few more years to be able to handle it. I honestly can't wait.
So wholesome
I don’t have a son, but I know someone with a son who loves this game
@@lostopportunity4701 Would you kindly let us know how it plays out?
@@RealBradMiller I absolutely will. Thinking 9 or 10 is acceptable.
My understanding of the respawn system was that you approached the thing that killed you as a version of booker who didn't make the decisions that got him killed. The whole game is a quantum immortality machine that churns out dead bookers to realize Elizabeth's destiny.
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kinda reminds me of a theory about the Destiny series. the theory is that the Ghosts dont actually revive their Guardians when they die, they just pull an alive Guardian from another timeline.
Can't agree more with the statement "Bioshock 2 is perfection." It takes the established mechanics and refines them while adding more well developed machinery. Standout sequel to a masterpiece.
Yep and many people still disliked it. While it was arguably better then the first in every way. And the only difference was the first had the benefit of being the first and had a really cool twist.
2 is weakest of the trilogy and most certainly not perfection.
Two was freaking awesome.
Three was the weakest for sure.
@@zoltanz288 nope, Bioshock 2 is the best. Definitely way better than the mess that was infinite lmao.
@@sethgilcrist8088 for sure
It is strange that in Bioshock 2 you play as a Big Daddy, but aren't a complete powerhouse. In fact you're overwhelmed a lot more. But, in Bioshock Infinite you play as Booker and he's able to fight off the overwhelming odds better, even though he's in line with Jack's level of strength.
Because booker is Batman
To be fair, Booker did have previous fighting experience. He fought in Wounded Knee and had been in the military. Jack had no prior experience with fighting so Booker did have the upper hand when he got to Columbia
Its just game logic....start weak and by end game youre op
I remember that when i rescued Ellie i never resorted to violence once we got outside, UNTIL i was forced to, because i realized how innocent she was i never crossed that line unless my or Ellie's life was in mortal danger, and at one point we were on an airship platform, i was out of ammo, no plasmids no grenades, about to die, pinned down i was trying to think of what to do to get us out of this, then Ellie tosses me a fully loaded tommy gun with more ammo, at that moment i was so grateful and kinda sad because it was then that i realized we were partners but that Ellie was aware that we needed to kill those people to survive, she was a good kid and i was upset how the dlc ended her story.
Audiologs are not unimmersive. It's just shorthand for flipping through someone's phone to find out what's going on. And people sending text messages and voice mails for stupid things is about as realistic as can be.
Lucky that so many people decided to record historical evidence and incriminating testimonials instead of "( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)" on their audio logs
I love all 3 of them, but Bioshock 2 will always be my favourite.
Same
Me for real.
So goddamn happy to see Bioshock 2 getting the love it deserves. Thank you for making this.
My half or maybe 2/4 of my play through of bio shock 2 made me consider buying the trilogy, this or Alan wake both I haven’t finished
Yeah I agree it needs to get more love than it's gotten whileI don't think that it's better than Bioshock 1 I will agree that the combat was better and they changed that annoying hacking system which I hated and the camera had more usage and was more understood as a device overall it took some of the bad things and made it better but for me the story so in good in Bioshock 1 that it puts over the top for me
@@katyelizabethmendoza5159 2/4 is a half lol
@@nottodayimbusy7146 its a matter of subjective opinion, for one thing I love System shock but i know a lot of people will NEVER get into it.Bioshock 2 i can never really get into, the the bright art style clashes with Rapture, and I had complaint with a silent character being close to a talking one, (aka same complaints i had with Half life 2) but infinite was a lot more linear, but it kinda fixes some of the Character complaints I have, but in return it broke the lore which is pretty much an odd sacrifice, but kinda worth it because it focuses more on characters which makes sense since nobody cares about Objectivism in Bioshock 1 just the cool characters/Big daddies/ Little sisters.
Bioshock 2 was the first one I ever played and made me fall in love with the series. I’m barley playing the first one right now gonna play the second one once I’m done
Glad to see someone else that enjoys bioshock 2. Also, the reason why that big daddy bonded with the little sisters is through the act of kindness of giving him Adam when he was down. They did the same with songbird in infinite. It's nice as the bonds were not all manufactured but as you said it kinda went against what was established.
One more parallel between 1 and infinite is that the first thing the blind splicer says when they smell you in the batisphere at the beginning of the game is "who's there? Is it someone new?". In infinite the guy that baptizes you is also blind and when you push yourself through the crowd also asks "is it someone new?" Just a cool little detail
That splicer isn't blind.
A blind person couldn't have gutted Johnny perfectly, or climbed the walls while being fired upon by the flying bot, or need to shield their eyes when the bot shined its lights on her.
I fell asleep watching lore videos on my phone and then woke up to this playing. Not only is it about one of my favorite game series of all time, the guy in the video talks so smoothly it was mesmerizing.
I think the changes to Daisy in the DLC were a response to criticism over the base game equating Daisy with Comstock. The scene where she threatens a child is a too-obvious way of making her seem like a villain on par with Comstock, because the idea of an oppressor and someone fighting that oppression being equals wasn't landing. The DLC scene is there to retcon this and try to give a reason for why Daisy would do something so cartoonishly evil.
They couldn't make a black woman evil, so they retconned her xD. How sad.
@@RuberDildonobody asked you
@@MysteryGeek2006 Nobody asked you either.
This is super late, but I have to get this off my chest: they ruined her character by doing this. She was a flawed person, and her motivation for murdering the kid made sense. Comstock and Fink ruined her life and killed her friends, you find this out through audiotapes. In her mind, she was making a necessary sacrifice, and getting revenge. By reversing this, the story makes less sense.
@@seventy-sixtrombones4130it wasn't really about Daisy though, people were pissed that Ken Levine was such a crap writer. The point he was trying to make was a bad one (people do not automatically become just as bad the oppressors if they react after being subjugated for decades. We quite literally see what's being done throughout our play). This poor point caused him to just say screw it let's make her kill a kid because then I can prove my crap point! It was shoehorned in and bad.
I'm pretty sure you're thinking about her character 10x more than Ken and his writers did lol
I have never seen a video make me wanna play a game so bad, you explained the lore and gameplay so well I felt like I was truly in the game. You just earned yourself a subscriber
I like how each different game contrasts with eachother despite keeping the same world building. It’s such a beautiful franchise from the cruel capital bordering on the tyrannical idealism of Andrew Ryan, to the idea of pure selflessness which corrupts the vision of Zofia Lamb (who strives to create a world in which the ends justifies the means for the greater good), to the theological prophethood led by Zachary Comstock. And even through it all even with contrasting characters with different ideals and governing it all connects, every character has an effect on everything else eventually. It’s all connected down to the themes of religion to tyranny. A poetic and beautiful storytelling experience and so much to be taken away from it all.
It's interesting that the villian from the first games name is Atlas, when the whole world seems to be a twist on ayn rands atlas shrugged, with rapture being the inevitable conclusion of the "paradise" of gaults canyon.
It's not a twist, it's a refutation. It takes painstaking detail to highlight the dysfunction of a "objectivist" and Rand-vareity libertarian society. From worker mistreatment elucidated in audio logs, the only morality being that of absolute freedom to do absolutely anything (even if it makes other less free), and the fact that Andrew Ryan is literally a namesake to Ayn Rand showing how his vision would fail and crumble under the consequences. Even the main point of the game shows us that "Freedom" as Rand presents it is a falsehood as Jack is created as an antithesis to freedom. How Fontaines ability to do whatever he wants with *his* freedom has created a man with no freedom to speak of.
Alsom about Infinite and Booker- you can notice that Leutece twins give hints that Booker we play as wasn't the first attempt.
You can hear their remark about the Shield tonic working- I think Robert remarked that he's supprised that "It worked this time" which means in other timelines
the thing either killed Booker on the spot or didn't work at all (and you know how screwd you are without it). The other thing, and thing people most notice, is the Heads-to-Tails ratio on the board. Assumedly every single of the marks was Booker from each of their tries, guess this one is one of their experiments- checking if a person from parallel reality has different "luck" (sort to say).
I also have personal theory that all the times you die before you meet Elizabeth your Booker actually dies- like, you aren't playing the same person if you die before meeting Elizabeth, these Bookers are dead and Leutece bring in a new one. I think the fall after first Songbird chase also ends up with Booker actually dying and you playing as a new one... but this one is far more contencious, since you fall with Elizabeth and she lives, and there is the explanation you fell into a flying beach not an actuall surface one.
PS. There is also a running theory why Burial at Sea is the way it is- it's a retcon because someone didin't like the Bioshock 2. Basically, Bioshock 2 wasn't exactly made by Irrational Games- it was made by 2K Marine, a french dev studio of 2K, the publisher of Bioshock series. Long story short, it was either a response to people "not liking" Bioshock 2 or Ken Levine's middle finger towards 2K Marine and Bioshock 2
An underrated comment yo
Bro. What if the times it didn't work the coin landed on tails? Mind blown I know
@@lostopportunity4701 maybe... Infinite's Physics would probably disagree
BioShock 2 was fucking great. I don’t understand the hate behind it. It reminds me of Borderlands:The Pre-Sequel, in how most people that I see don’t like it but I do, and can’t understand the hate. Maybe it’s because I played both franchises late.
@@callmepsycho3132 I also played bioshock 2 late. I love the narrative but I got lost fast and then just disappeared for a while. I never gave it a 100 hour chance. Which is why I'd like to experience it again. Speaking of the presequal I played the hell out of all the borderlands and loved it. But I feel the loot system and the random object interactions felt like bioshock. Idk why maybe I'm crazy
Honestly, I adored your enthusiasm for Bioshock 2. The game gets treated like the direct to video followup to the original but that seems like a massive disservice to it because it is a fantastic game with a great expansion on the original
Imagine being an all knowing dimension hopper and trading your life for one random little girl in one random universe.
Based 🗿 lmfao.
Elizabeth ain't no Rick Sanchez and for that she's fucking based.
she didnt choose she was killed by mr bubbles
@@InitialPCshe knew she was going to die very much so chose it
Except it wasnt random...all timelines were dependent and affected by that outcome
I've been playing these games for years and I've only just now understood the Infinite plot by watching this video. Thank you 😭🙏
I've always liked that sacrificing your humanity doesn't actually do much for you long-term in game 1. I realize why people are dissatisfied but I actually think of that as a strength of the narrative rather than a flaw. It feels right
I highly disagree with the sentiment ppl wouldnt make audio recordings of mundane life. People have been keeping diaries for centuries. Modern diaries are just blogs and vlogs.
Ehh... Not really. We had cassette players back in the day & no one was going around talking to them about what they were doing all day. If you compare it only to online blogs, I could see why it would maybe make sense, but online for sharing is way different than rambling into a tape to no one. I've never once found an old cassette & heard people talking to themselves.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; bioshock 2 is just as valid as the other two, and personally my favorite.
The fact that people some people hate bioshock 2 baffles me, subjective taste is of course valid, but i simply cannot understand how you could say bioshock 2 sucks, if you've played it.
(It's also one of the games that kickstarted the "Father simulator" era of games)
I concur the story may not be as strong as 1 ( dont really care for infinite) but I think it is underrated. I did feel that feeling of bonding with a little sister and I enjoyed it when they cheered for you and how happy they are to see you when you save them.
I've always stated that Bioshock 1 has the better story, but 2 has the better gameplay. No one I've talked to in person has disagreed with that assessment so it's weird for me to hear that so many others claim that no one liked 2 at all.
The Bioshock franchise is one of my most favorite videogames ever, I played Bioshock 1 twice and also Infinite with their DLCS , sadly I could not play Bioshock 2 due to the extreme ammount of crashes that this game has at least on the Steam platform, but even not playing it, the story of all this world is just breathtaking, and you need more and more of that. Thanks for this wonderful video.
Amazing video.
I actually enjoy Infinite's second DLC, it felt like an attempt to make a full circle.
Infinite makes you think that your choices matters, but they dont, while Bioshock 1 is the total opposite, it makes you believe that you don't have any choice, but you do. Loved all of that theme of constants and variables, there is always a city, there is always a lighthouse, there is always a father/daugther figure.
It seems like Elizabeth and Booker cannot find peace, thats a constant, but Elizabeth choose the only path that allows to that father and daugther figure to finally find peace, which is to set in motion the events the conclude in the good ending of Bioshock 1.
The execution was not optimal, but i liked the general idea. The complete story of all Bioshock games are in my opinion one of the best stories i have ever experienced in general, including cinema, books, or any other format.
Bioshock is a perfect example of how a narrative and game mechanichs can be put together in order to create an exceptional piece of digital art/entertainment that makes you feel things that are very difficult to reproduce in any other format, it is an unique experience.
Note: The Anabelle ghost was completely out of place lol
Amazing video! It’s so surprising to
me how after all these years it is still not common knowledge that Bioshock is a direct adaptation of Ayn Rand’s book Atlas Shrugged.
Atlas and other names are taken directly from her work, even Andrew Ryan is named after her. And Fountaine is named after his previous work The Fountainhead. I would really recommend everyone to read her work, it expands the game so much and leaves you wondering and pondering.
Funny that you mentioned Mark Meltzer in Bioshock 2! His story is even deeper if you were part of the pre release ad campaign, where you followed around his research to find his daughter, there were even real life locations events to unfold the mystery of the missing surface girls. Such a crazy story and such a sad ending to it all.
Truly a revolutionary take on videogames. A man chooses a slave obeys, and Irrational Games decided to choose perfection.
YOOOOO can't wait. Just order food too. What perfect timing
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“Or turn a real circus freak into something you could show in the daylight..” lmao. Loved the Steinman character.
"Change your look, change your sex, change your race. *it's yours to change, nobody else's* "
He says, as he starts changing patients in ways they don't want and operating on non-patients against their wills
So- personally love Minerva's Den and the audiolog of Milton turning on the finished Personality Function.
Like, the VA for Milton trully plays the sheere fear and dispair in his voice when he activates the finished thing and still realizes that it isn't right, that this isn't his wife and it isn't something that should have ever be done
Addition- about Steinman. He didn't only went mad from seeking perfection. If I recall correctly he was a cocaine adict and durring one high he hallucinated conversation with Aphrodite, I think he migh even took cocaine before he worked so it all mixed up- want of perfection and Aphrodite "speaking" to him drove him to insanity
Someone probably already said this but Ryan is voiced by Armin Shimmerman, (Quark from DS9). Also J. G. Hertzler (Martok, DS9) and Rene Auberjonois, (Odo) do some voices as well.
Yeah I loved BioShock 2 don’t understand why people ignore it so much.
I felt that Sofia’s personal vendetta against the big daddy didn’t make much sense. He was as much as a victim as Eleanor was.
@@WaveForceful It actually makes a lot of sense if you know just how powerful ignorance can be when the person spouting such ignorance refuses to be proven wrong; We've seen this happen all over our planet for centuries now: Many groups of people who refuse to accept that they're wrong, and end up going to some extreme measures just to make sure their bubble isn't broken.
“Well I want a puppy, but that doesn’t mean I’m gonna get one!” Bro I spit out my drink when she made that comparison💀
Bioshock is a great series and it’s always great to see it get love (especially 2)
One little deep cut: Objectivism was pioneered by Ayn Rand, who wrote ATLAS Shrugged. A book basically making the same argument as Andrew Ryan.
Also "Ayn Rand" is a partial anagram for "And(rew) Ryan", never noticed any of this until I watched this retrospective.
Man, this was good. I read the book Rapture, it gave so much detail on the many characters of Bioshock. I think its a masterpiece and we should leave it as is. If they ever return to that universe, I think it should be done like God of War compare to the Trilogy of God Of war, it should add to the universe than alter it. Love the vid!!!
Thank you for putting this together. I too love this series so much. I was actually shocked at how underwhelming the remasters were.
I've noticed something:
Elizabeth in burial at sea wears the bird pendant, even if you chose cage in the main game.
Because she's free of the cage, free of the Siphon and the restrictions of her universe. Free of the causal loop of Booker becoming Comstock
Great video, only pointer is that you didn't mention why elizabeth had powers, because one part of her got cut off, and therefore she existed in 2 dimensions at the same time, resulting in her powers to start developing
I just realized that Bioshock Infinite is an alternate universe of Bioshock 2. Delta and Eleanor, DeWitt and Ellie. Lamb and Comstock. A missing daughter, lost at a young age, found when older. Either Infinite was an attempt to bring the underrated Bioshock 2’s story to light, or due to it’s tackling of alternate universes, Bioshock Infinite is an alternate universe parallel to Bioshock 2.
Yup. Made those connections instantly. I do like how Infinite makes the relationship a little more personal, but Bioshock 2 and it’s DLC are definitely overlooked and very underrated.
I like this theory but isn’t Songbird infinite’s equivalent of Delta?
@@kerosenn7016 more of a equivalent of a Big Sister, since both are powerful and difficult to fight enemies.
Levine doesn't like bioshock 2. He tried to make infinite and erase the second game, but it didn't work out.
@@Ronam0451. Regardless, Bioshock 2 was great!
these videos actually made me want to play again i got the second one when i was younger and was scared to death by it but now i just got the collection and now im loving it , thank you bro (its down to 8;99 on ps btw)
You are the first RUclips channel I have found that appreciates how good BioShock2 is! It’s my favorite BioShock too!
Bioshock 2 is by far my favorite game in the series despite how much hair I pulled out using the remastered version(frequent crashes). It had the best narrative and gameplay in my opinion with some of the most variation plasmid and gun-wise out of any Bioshock game. As a side note I only played these games on the hardest difficulties so it was a little funny to see enemies downed in one or two shots in your gameplay footage.
I've heard so many stories now of people having it crash on them, even on console, I guess I may have just been lucky
I really like subject deltas design he definitely gives me the vibe of a main character.
the ending of the dlc where you say the code is "would you kindly" blew my mind
I am now the proud owner of the Bioshock Collection! I've been on the fence about it for a long time. I woke up to this video and figured I'd let it play while I prepared for my day, but between your review, the masterpiece of Bioshock, and it's ON SALE IN EPIC STORE!! I bought it.
Thank you for this, it's very well done!
I've always been a nintendo kid and immediately bought the collection when i saw it on Switch. Bioshock has always been my go-to when I'm itching to game
Great job putting this together man. Also thanks for giving bioshock 2 the love it deserves despite its lack of time to develop.
Daisy Fitzroy was supposed to show that being a violent extremist isn't good but people where mad that she was portrayed badly because she was against racists or somthing. So the scene in burial at sea 2 is supposed to retcon it because people where incapable of understanding nuance.
Hell yeah!!! I stayed up super late last night rewatching your dark souls videos, this is exactly what I need rn.
Don't forget that the city of Rapture is based on Ayn Rand's philosophy which is portrayed in the book "Atlas Shrugged" so another "Atlas" symbol to work in.
thank you. hard to believe this is not even mentioned. with all the adulation shown to the writing, when so much of it is so deeply indebted to Rand’s AS
@@tigerbalmks "Indebted" is a strong word when the games thoroughly show why her philosophy is completely full of shit.
@@athroughzdude you’re right in that Bioshock is very critical of Rands objectivism, but the game simply could not existed without Rand. it’s just so fundamental to the universe. Andrew Ryan, Ayn Rand. It’s just weird that it’s not even mentioned. it comes off as an oversight, but clearly someone who knows this much about BS ip must know about Atlas Shrugged. i’m guessing he hasn’t read it? it’s really long so i wouldn’t blame him. it would be a pretty deep dive to read a (i forget exactly) roughly 600 page book to better understand a video game series.
Listened to the entire video while at work today, and it was a great. You chose the best times of when and when not to analyze narrative elements. The whole thing was better paced than some movies, even tho these were different videos just put together. Really shows how well you made each retrospective when the overall pacing still works at nearly 3hours in length.
Currently playing this series for the first time and loving it. I remember being young and trying to play the first games demo on ps3 and just being too scared to move. Fast forward to me being 25 and still being scared of the game lol
I was too scared to play on the PS3 too lol, me and my friend wouldn't get off the elevator so we turned it off.
Played all of BioShock recently since it was free on epic games, haven't had such a good time in years with a game. I really enjoyed BioShock 2 and both burials at sea.
I'm 25 min into the video so far and it's exactly what I'm looking for. I am in the middle of Bioshock 1 but I needed a refresher on the story covered so far. I'm so glad you aren't outright spoiling the plot but going through it as a player would. Then I can just pause the video when I catch up to where I am in game, and just finish the game. Awesome analysis too.
Great video and summary. I think you covered the story and games well, and I’m glad to see such a vocal Bioshock 2 fam as I know a lot of people who talk down on it.
I feel like you missed or got confused on a couple of points, but one of the main ones is Elizabeth’s role with the bonding process. The Adam isn’t the part that makes the big daddy’s bond, it’s healing them. The conditioning and pheromones were working on the girls, but they needed to heal the big daddy to make it bond backwards with them the same way that Elizabeth did with the song bird when she was young.
Also not sure if you misunderstood or just skipped over, but Elizabeth can open tears and the like because her pinky split her physically a cross multiverses.
I’m really glad to find someone else appreciating the masterpiece Bioshock 2. It’s sad when many people only play Infinite and praising it as the best game ever.
BioShock 1 made Ken Levine a household name.
BioShock 2 used what was created before in order to expand the universe as well as create it's own tale for player to play through.
BioShock Infinite (I'm talking about the DLC ) redcons a hole bunch of stuff in order to tale it's own tell while also trying to rewrite BioShock 1 as well as deliperately ignore the existence of BioShock 2.
Burial at Sea ignores Bioshock 2 because Ken Levine had nothing to do with 2 - it wasn't his. Through the creator's mindset, 2 is probably not cannon. Although I do believe there are some references to Bioshock 2 in Burial at Sea? Not a lot but I think Lamb is mentioned and I think Dionysus Park as well.
I might have missed it because I was using the video as noise but started getting really interested partway through the first half, but I think that Andrew Ryan and rapture are a critique of Ayn Rand's sociopathic (imo) "Atlas Shrugged", capitalist "utopia" and taking capitalism to it's logical and unchained conclusion and its is pretty on the nose about that
This was an awesome video I loved how you went into the story about bioshock because it has to be one of my favorite games out of all that I’ve played/watched. It took me a few days to finish your video but it was awesome and I’m really happy you made this :)
Not even gonna lie sacrificing the little sisters for the achievement straight made me cry. I still can't do it, it feels wrong because they are actually children. They did so good on the story for these games to make us care like that. Even my dad who never cried balled his eyes out the first time he sacrificed one of the sisters
Nice to see another person of culture who thinks bioshock 2 is good actually
Oh man bioshock is old but godamn that speech Andrew Ryan gives still gives me chills “a man chooses a slave obeys”
the first bioshock game is so special to me, even though i was little when it came out, and i've never really played it myself. as a little girl (i'm not a girl anymore, but mentioning that i was is important here,), i'd watch my dad play through the game, and it would just be quality time between us without my step brothers. i'd watch him harvest little sisters and idk why but i asked if i was a little sister, would he turn me into a weird slug thing? and he said of course not. i know it sounds silly but the big daddy characters are special to me because they protect little sisters like my dad said he'd protect me.
nowadays i can appreciate the game more for its art and story, as well as those memories. all around, a great game
I love that more and more people are realizing how great Bioshock 2 is.
The good ending of Bioshock 2 still makes me cry..
Bioshock One and Two are just amazing pieces of work in dn near every sense, and Infinite has quite an amazing world and pretty alright gameplay. However, it just falls off nearing the middle, the combat is off, any morality is out the window, and the end just isn't worth going through it all imo. Glad to see a full retrospective on every Bioshock game!
Im glad that bioshock 2 has recently been getting the love it deserved all along. Following bioshock was no easy task and while the story didnt have a mind shattering twist like the first one did and the social commentary about communism wasnt quite as strong as the first games take on ayn rand objectivist style anarcho capitalism, the gameplay was vastly improved, the story was gripping and atleast for me more emotionally engaging, aside from andrew ryan the characters were more interesting, and the two tiered ending structure made my choices feel more impactful. i adore bioshock 2 and was massively disappointed by infinite well before the train wreck that was burial at sea and am glad to see the games falling into the places they all deserved from the begining. Side note i know it isnt as important to the overall story but the ending of something in the sea in bioshock 2 and Minerva's den are stand out moments each in their own right as well
Edit: i wanted to add keeping subject delta's identity and back story as minimal as possible was to me a massive part of why i love that game so much. We arent watching jack's story as great as it is or booker's or elizabeth's, we are watching our own.
I honestly don't read B2 as a commentary on Communism. I see it as more commentary on Ayn Rand philosophy, particularly the whole "Altruisim is Selfish". You could be like Sofia and lean into that, but acting Altruistically as Delta refute the idea that it has to be like that.
@@Ranixo286 well both games are commentaries on ayn rand but b1 is the logical extreme of objectivism and b2 is the extreme of communism itself objectivism was an answer to in my opinion. Thats why ryan talks so much about the individual above all else while lamb is willing to sacrifice anything and everything for the community and greater good at the cost of the self. One of the things i love about b1 and 2 as a set if you read it that way as an exploration of two ends of one philosophy is that it shows that both self fulfilment and individual liberty as well as altruism can go too far but a functioning society needs both
honestly bioshock 1 and 2 could honestly get a remake that truely makes a game that would be nuts in this day and age.
6:10 Also the way she points out your "belly" and the way she phrases it insinuating that she would/could use the giant syringe on your stomach, is a line that makes you feel very vulnerable as a player in the shoes of the character.
well, maybe if it was gameplay and not a cinematic it would be kinda scary.
@@zoltanz288. That makes no sense; Both make it pretty scary.
Gonna try and piece together the story in the exact order.
1912:
-Booker is launched into Columbia and after being deemed a threat to the city, is forced to take down Combstock with Elizabeth’s help
-Booker kills Combstock before dealing with the rest of the residents alongside the Songbird before losing control of the mechanical creature
-Elizabeth transports herself and Booker to Rapture where the Songbird is destroyed since it was teleported underwater, while Booker and Elizabeth are safely in the city, as the machine cannot handle the water pressure.
-Booker finds out Combstock is his future self and Elizabeth’s father and one of many Bookers of alternate realities that becomes Combstock and is drowned by Elizabeth to prevent the cycle
1958:
-Subject Delta, the first Alpha Series Big Daddy, to successfully bond with a Little Sister, Eleanor Lamb, was Hypnotized and then forced to shoot himself by Eleanor’s mother, Sofia.
1959:
-An alternate Booker and Elizabeth search for Sally
-Booker, realizing his error, tries to apologize but Elizabeth does not forgive him as he is then killed by a Bouncer Big Daddy
-The Big Daddy also kills Elizabeth but Elizabeth uses her powers to cheat death and continue to look for Sally who is held hostage by Frank Fontaine and agrees to let her go if Elizabeth finds the Ace in the Hole he needs to take the city from Andrew Ryan
-Elizabeth, along with 2 Little Sisters, co-operate to help a dying Bouncer, as the Little Sisters give him some of their ADAM, successfully bonding them
-The Little Sisters try to tell Dr. Suchong that the experiment work only for one of them to get slapped by the Scientist
-The Bouncer, having witnessed this, angrily kills Suchong, while Elizabeth retrieves the Ace in the Hole after the Bouncer calms down
-After giving the Ace in the Hole and told Atlas that it says “Would You Kindly”, Atlas fatally strikes Elizabeth with a Wrench
-Before dying, Elizabeth sees a vision of a man, Jack Ryan, the son of Andrew Ryan, killing Atlas and adopting Sally and 4 other Little Sisters while being sung a comforting song by Sally as Elizabeth dies
1960:
-Jack’s plane crashes into the ocean and Jack enters a bathysphere that takes him to Rapture
-Fontaine, using his Atlas persona, guides Jack through the city asking him to help him rescue “his wife and child” while using the “Would You Kindly” Phrase
-Andrew Ryan has the bathysphere “containing Atlas’s wife and child” blown up, forcing Atlas to tell Jack that Andrew Ryan needs to die
-Upon heading to Ryan’s office, Jack discovers Suchong’s corpse along with evidence that he was in fact born in Rapture and Andrew is his father as well as the phrase “Would You Kindly” being written in blood
-Andrew uses the phrase to have Jack kill him
-After Jack puts the key in the machine, Fontaine breaks his Atlas persona and plans to run the city in his image
-While unconscious, Tenembaum, manages to help partially remove the curse Jack was under, meaning Jack cannot be controlled when someone says “Would You Kindly” and offers to help him fully free him for saving the Little Sisters.
-Fontaine Activates “Code Yellow” to weaken Jack till Jack finally finds the cure to free him from Fontaine’s control for good
-Jack disguised himself as a Rosie Big Daddy to have a Little Sister take him to Fontaine
-Fontaine sends a rogue Bouncer to kill Jack, but the Bouncer was defeated and Jack was given the Syringe he needs to drain the Adam out of Fontaine
-After Jack severely weakened Fontaine enough, 5 Cured Little Sisters(one of them being Sally) attack and kill Fontaine
-After gaining the Little Sister’s trust, Jack decides to adopt them and take them to the surface, fulfilling Elizabeth’s vision
1968:
-Brigid Tenembaum returns to Rapture to reawaken Subject Delta and another Alpha Series named Subject Sigma
-Eleanor slowly guides Delta to look for her while a man named Porter guides Sigma to the Thinker
-While dealing with Big Daddies and Big Sisters along with saving Little Sisters, Delta shows Mercy to Grace and Stanley while Sigma kills Wahl
-Sigma realizes that he is Porter and the voice he heard was coming from the Thinker who never gave up on him when he became Subject Sigma
-Porter joins Tenembaum as they take a bathysphere to the surface to cure him
-After dealing with Gil and showing mercy to him, Delta heads to the chambers to retrieve Eleanor, only for Sofia to suffocate Eleanor long enough to severe the bond Delta has with Eleanor and is restrained and left to die.
-Eleanor sends a Little Sister for Delta to control through her eyes long enough to retrieve a Big Sister suit for Eleanor to put on and rescue Subject Delta
-Augustus Sinclair, Delta’s friend and Guide, was captured by Sofia and turned into an Alpha Series named Subject Omega
-Delta mercifully kills Sinclair, upon Sinclair’s request, so he and Eleanor can take his bathysphere and leave Rapture
-Sofia escapes in Sinclair’s pod
-Delta and Eleanor retrieve any remaining Little Sisters so they can bring the water to a boil
-After bringing the water to a boil, fending off numerous enemies ranging from Splicers and other Alpha Series, and flooding the city, Delta and Eleanor head for the exit out of the city
-Upon seeing bombs Eleanor reached out to teleport herself and Delta out of harms way but Delta was not fast enough as he is blasted out of the city by the bombs but manages to hang on to the escape pod while watching Rapture sink
-Eleanor saves Sofia from drowning before reuniting with a dying Subject Delta at the surface
-Eleanor mercifully kills Subject Delta to gain his memories to help her do good as she, Sofia, and the Little Sisters wait for a rescue party to arrive
Many Years Later:
-Jack who is close to dying in a hospital of old age, is comforted by his adopted daughters one last time
Pulling an all nighter to revise for exams, this is perfect timing my guy!! Loved the Halo retrospective, looking forward to this
Thank you so much, i love bioshock story breakdowns. Nice clip of Diane McClintock, her story always really affected me! its so wild hearing those last few days of rapture, and from someone who knew Andrew. Her's was a sad story! I think the mystery of rapture is what has kept me enthralled for so many years (played the games at least a dozen times), always wanting to know more. The fall of rapture is some far off event and we are just putting the pieces back together!
Im sure someone had already mentioned it but the introduction music in the lighthouse is not by Bobby Darin but by Django Reinhardt-La Mer. Its just a small detail but I feel La Mer is sort of an "anthem" for Bioshock.
Comstock wast not a white supremacist. He was a WASP (White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant) supremacist. Thats why the catholic, celtic white Irish were treated the same as the Blacks or Chinese in game.
I never understood the infinite ending, after all if they went back in time to kill booker before he choose it would simply make an alternative set of timelines in which he died and also keep the ones where he did not, after all there are supposedly as many realities as choices and other small variables killing him would do nothing to the ones where he was alive.
yup. infinite has really dumb writing and plot.
The idea is that every Elizabeth drowned every Booker. Not just the one youre playing as.
@@rh7474 But as the 'Infinite' title implies, there are still an infinite number of Colmstocks that could presumably have come into being. Like Booker had a Baptism later or Earlier in his life? Or becomes Colmstock due to entirely different circumstances, all the Elizabeths really do is stop a specific branch of multiple timelines, at least that's what I gathered.
Exactly. There are a lot of things that don't make sense in infinite, but people choose to just ignore it and if you say something they say you just didn't get it.
@@rh7474 there were like, 7 Elizabeths there. If there are infinite universes, there's absolutely no way every single one of them killed booker.
i love you man, thanks so much for reigniting my love in this series. you are my new obsession. currently going back and playing minerva’s den for the first time after hearing you talk about it. 1:18:06
your king form vids are perfect for working to, hope for more of those in the future !!
Not a bad analysis other than the "current year" perspective on Bioshock Infinite and its themings. You really need to understand that that's how things were in the early 1900s. Columbia was unique mainly due to the technology it received. The average perspective from the people on the ground were just normal
You missed the point entirely.
Man I remember the first time I loaded into the first BioShock and absolutely fell in love with the atmosphere and music and just how well they paired together. One of the first series of games I played all the way through multiple times! Such a fantastic series
I fell asleep to a whole different genre and woke up to this. I had the craziest dreams listening to this and have never played a second of this series lmao
Ive listened to this a few times now and i can say with 100% certainty that the voice acting combined with the setting are what made this game. Andrew Ryan saying "i chose rapture" still sends a shiver down my spine even today. And Atlas calm as a cucumber telling you that your DNA is actively being rewritten is amazing.
This video is really good, I loved the Bioshock series, ever since I was 13, you might already know this, but if not, they're actually making a fourth installment to the series. It's been in development for at least three years, nothing has been officially announced yet, but they might do so in the Summer Game Fest next month. I'm just speculating. ❤️🤞
Still, nice job making this video. 👍
Just finished infinite. Highly underrated and an unsung game of the series. Feel as though the DLC wrapped up the series nicely , leaving me full but always room with more
Listening to this while I work night shift, thanks king, love your content.
I don't know if you just didn't know at the time the video was made, but Mark Meltzer wasn't in the game at first. He was added into the game after the success of the there's something in the sea website. It was a marketing site for the game that gave clues over the course of a few months about his investigation, from b4 his daughter got kidnapped, what led to her disappearance, and his journey into rapture.
It Was very well done , and so much fun to be a part of at the time. Made the wait a little bit easier for the release of the second game