Melee is the only eSports game where the commentary sometimes just boils down to "OHHHH AHHH" "WHAT" "OHHHHH OHHHHHHHHHHHHH" and then you know exactly what is going on
Question: When they say something has a pot bonus, does that pot bonus only go to first place? Or is it spread out evenly with the people who get money.
Dude, I actually really like HBox..he's so emotional and animated, has a ton of personality. Never gives up and is the most clutch smasher of all time in my opinion. Congrats HBox. Hope you do well at Big House! 😁
yeah, and what's crazy is he's been doing it since 2013. Last time Mango used puff at Apex 2014, he was smash DI'ing at the same percentages against M2K.
I love how HBox, in such a tense moment, is still composed enough to be laughing as he narrowly avoids death at 38:28. I can't say the say about after the match, but hey, after that match he's allowed to let it all out haha.
K O Yeah. He fucking got that Dair, read that roll left and ran past him. Grabbed. Threw him upwards. Read the troll left again. Up air. Went left = Rest Done.
Yo, this is by far one of the best tournaments ever. 2 game tens, multiple upsets and loads of amazing plays And about this match, props to Hungrybox for the clutch play at the end. Props to Armada for doing amazing the whole tournament. And I want M2K to win something, but that's just me :]
Ethan Flinner it's a rough life for us Leffen fans. Luckily I love Oscar too but damn that must be crushing. People always shit on Leffen a little bit but it's seemed a lot worse this time and I think Leffen's not in a great spot right now. Playing off, getting upset, having multiple weaker tournaments in succession all with the pressure he puts on himself and the negativity of his own tweets. It's too bad to watch because he is such a phenomenal player when he's on. Nobody looks as perfect with Fox in my opinion.
weaselsdawg Well, he brought it on himself with that replayed UCF match. DQing himself would've been the right thing to do for his mindset, which is why Armada, M2K and Mango all said they would've DQ'd themselves in that situation. One match is definitely not worth the mental hit. His mindset is still recovering from that.
Lol the match didn't affect his mindset, everyone shitting on him for weeks after did. Even if you think it's a shitty thing, the TO made the ruling according to the rules of the tournament and their own judgment. There wouldn't have been a problem if they set up the only main stream GameCube properly. People blew it out of proportion massively.
So glad this was my first major to attend. It was awesome. Too bad there wasn't a shot of the crowd after Clutchbox won, the whole crowd shot to their feet. (Also Lovage vs Leffen tho.)
It's kind of you to give people a time to click on, on the other hand, any person who does not want to know the end result and have a little sense in the head avoids the comments section.
Pretty surreal seeing a guy down a stock and in kill percent to the best in the world SMILE when he has a small chance of bringing it all back, like he just knows internally 'all i need is that one rest'.
GOD I'm gonna miss Armada. Armada-Hbox and Armada-PPMD were matchups that pushed the boundaries of what is possible in this game, and easily my two favorites of all time.
Its even more amazing when you consider he beat sfat and mew2king, two very different flavors of fox in bo5 sets, to then play 10 games with armada and win everything.
_Manuel_ (meaning "God with us") used to be the one true ultimate smash god. Due to his unparalleled skill it didn't even seem possible to come anywhere near his level of play. People would practise for years and still get four-stocked, and while not getting JV5'd was seen as a huge improvement, people ultimately gave up after six years of trying to at least take 1 set off of him. There also seemed to be a huge disparity in player skill and this heavy gap between them, along with Manuel's domniance, lead to the competitive scene dying out for good. Sakurai understood that his first attempt to create a Smash Universe was flawed, and the balance of power too uneven. He erased that timeline and began anew, this time with a much greater focus on weeding out players of casual level, henceforth strengthening the growth of particularly competitive ones. He learned from his mistake of forcing a competitive-scene and would give them a lot more "tough love" this time around. Putting them into a position where they would HAVE TO *FIGHT* for their game. And so we did. However, just as a final safety measure he split the smash-god Manuel in two, seperating his _unrelenting fiery passion_ from his _intense mental focus_ when each half would then grow into their own individual Smash God, Sakurai knew he made the right call. These two halves are now known as Mang0 and Hungrybox.
Biggest difference in Hungrybox is that he's humble. Surprised when his approaches and decisions are working, and accepting Armada's intelligence or his own faults when they don't.
28:25 As many times as I've seen this set, I never realized how next level that air dodge is... If Hungrybox were prepared, he could have gotten a rest or a grab to whiff punish the up smash.
Floofie kun tbh I used to hate him cause his style was boring and a little scummy, but recently the meta vs jiggly is playing a scummy, campy fox and hungrybox looks like he's really pushing his character to its outer limits. he's pretty hard to hate now, and I notice I'm starting to cheer for him more often
ParForThePeople yeah but there isn't really any other way to make puff viable. her air mobility and kill capability make her a perfect camper, and ofc foxes adapted. I'm just glad hbox isn't relying on cheap rest setups as much and is getting more aggresive with reads and combos, makes things exciting
Can we please give Hungrybox mad props?!? Like, he is really playing Jigglypuff lol. I know jigglypuff isn't a bad character but still. Jigglypuff is SUPER light and can be killed by fox super early. The fact that he makes the shit work is very shocking....even until this day lol
Two questions 1. With lazer game being so strong with Fox against puff, why is the Puff Falco match up considered not worth trying? 2. When Hbox smash DI's every up-air from fox why aren't they trying to just get the second hit? It's not terribly difficult and we see it against other characters like Luigi
Hungrybox is melee's shining star, he proves that you can be good with your favorite character. Even when everyone said puff is a low tier, even when they called him names and tried to bring him down. Hungrybox is an innovator in melee, broadening the horizons of the entire community. #1 in America, Best Puff in the world, his love of the game really inspires so many, including myself. We love you Hbox, take a break from melee if you need one, but please don't stop playing, we love you so much.
Those two months felt like a friggin' dynasty. Shine, GTX, Dreamhack, Big House, and Summit, all won in a row. After how EVO/Smashcon went, it seemed like Armada had it in the bag...but lord were we wrong
Love or hate the fact these two have been in what seems like, a shit ton of grand finals adding some boring repetition - it almost always goes down to the wire or has a close game; and 2-3 of them have been some of the wildest closest Melee games you ever saw. They are a fun pair of competitors to see face off against each other - no matter who won that time.
I was convinced it was all over for Hbox when Armada took the 3-1 stock lead in game 10. He racked so much percent on Hbox, but somehow, Clutchbox prevailed. Props to Armada for being a good sportsman though, great interview.
Does anyone find this aspect of the Melee competitive scene kind of boring: the fact that grand finals at these majors always have the same few players appear? I only enjoy smash 4 more because it is more unpredictable and I like that feeling of anticipation whenever you watch a tournament.
Grant the Dragon Honestly, yeah. It gets worse when there's massive ledge guarding, and you normally never see any mid or low tiers in these sets What's sadder though is the severe lack of competitive Brawl. And I mean vanilla Brawl, not Project M
![GTX 2017 Melee - [A]rmada (Peach) vs FOX MVG | Mew2king (Marth) - SSBM W.Finals](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Sc2xW1Oug6M/mqdefault.jpg)
![SSBM: [A]rmada vs Liquid'Hungrybox - EVO 2016 Grand Finals](/img/1.gif)
Melee is the only eSports game where the commentary sometimes just boils down to
"OHHHH AHHH" "WHAT" "OHHHHH OHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
and then you know exactly what is going on
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Vish: Wanna know why he fell? Because his wallet just got a whole lot heavier.
That was smooth af.
i nutted when he said that
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Question: When they say something has a pot bonus, does that pot bonus only go to first place? Or is it spread out evenly with the people who get money.
The reward gets less and less the farther down you go.
Hbox got 12,000, armada got 6,000, M2K got 3,000 etc. You can look up the exact amounts online.
Dude, I actually really like HBox..he's so emotional and animated, has a ton of personality. Never gives up and is the most clutch smasher of all time in my opinion. Congrats HBox. Hope you do well at Big House! 😁
Hbox face at the end of last game was priceless. He knew he was going to win after armada lost the 3rd stock.
You win by taking out three stocks wdym?
@@SaifKhan-nw6zn Melee finals are played with four, my guy.
@@Fenrir160202 oh ok im dumb
That smirk when he SDIs the upsmash. He knew right then he had it in the bag.
@@dereklewis4321 upsmash?
do you mean upair?
Ending was clutch as fuck. Good shit hbox
I think it might actually be more clutch than evo
Ive been searching for a reason to use this, but he is the COAT (Clutches of all time)
That inside roll read was insane
Look how many up air kills he gets in the first set. It's ridiculous.
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One of the greatest sets I have ever seen.
H.box and Armada game 10 sets are always legendary
"Whoever the F said that that set in Florida was the best ever, you are sadly mistaken!"
Lame
Lmao
@@Toni-un4so babyrage fr
I feel like smash DI on upthrow is what ends up deciding those games. Hungrybox living all those throws was huge.
yeah, and what's crazy is he's been doing it since 2013. Last time Mango used puff at Apex 2014, he was smash DI'ing at the same percentages against M2K.
I love how HBox, in such a tense moment, is still composed enough to be laughing as he narrowly avoids death at 38:28. I can't say the say about after the match, but hey, after that match he's allowed to let it all out haha.
iSlasheR thank you for the time of most awesome combo Ive seen
Personally I smile a lot when I'm nervous, I think Hbox is also this type of person
@@alexandreroudaut3418 No he smiled because the same situation happened at the Grand Final of EVO2016
Shades of Evo 2016. Clutchbox strikes again. That Smash DI and rest was AMAZING
Seriously, if he had missed that smash DI on Armada's up air, that was game over. Damn. Props to Hbox, he really deserved that win.
Wasn't smash DI, he was too high and input his jump in just enough time that the first hit of up air clipped him but not the second
ZykMoney It made it slight easier, but it was still smash DI.
the rest was the easiest part.. the two reads that led to it was amazing
K O Yeah. He fucking got that Dair, read that roll left and ran past him. Grabbed. Threw him upwards. Read the troll left again. Up air. Went left = Rest
Done.
Yo, this is by far one of the best tournaments ever. 2 game tens, multiple upsets and loads of amazing plays
And about this match, props to Hungrybox for the clutch play at the end. Props to Armada for doing amazing the whole tournament. And I want M2K to win something, but that's just me :]
Multiple upsets, including literally the BIGGEST upset in Melee history, being Lovage vs Leffen.
13FFEN
Ethan Flinner it's a rough life for us Leffen fans. Luckily I love Oscar too but damn that must be crushing. People always shit on Leffen a little bit but it's seemed a lot worse this time and I think Leffen's not in a great spot right now. Playing off, getting upset, having multiple weaker tournaments in succession all with the pressure he puts on himself and the negativity of his own tweets. It's too bad to watch because he is such a phenomenal player when he's on. Nobody looks as perfect with Fox in my opinion.
weaselsdawg Well, he brought it on himself with that replayed UCF match. DQing himself would've been the right thing to do for his mindset, which is why Armada, M2K and Mango all said they would've DQ'd themselves in that situation. One match is definitely not worth the mental hit. His mindset is still recovering from that.
Lol the match didn't affect his mindset, everyone shitting on him for weeks after did. Even if you think it's a shitty thing, the TO made the ruling according to the rules of the tournament and their own judgment. There wouldn't have been a problem if they set up the only main stream GameCube properly. People blew it out of proportion massively.
I was there in person, and it was the best experience I ever had with smash. What a tournament both sm4sh and Melee.
I hope this event happens next year
So glad this was my first major to attend. It was awesome. Too bad there wasn't a shot of the crowd after Clutchbox won, the whole crowd shot to their feet. (Also Lovage vs Leffen tho.)
match starts at 3:40
It's kind of you to give people a time to click on, on the other hand, any person who does not want to know the end result and have a little sense in the head avoids the comments section.
Thx
36:57
And now,he will try.
dan altamirano i was thinking the same thingg
legendary comment hahaha
Loool
"Ahh, woups"
I know right!
Pretty surreal seeing a guy down a stock and in kill percent to the best in the world SMILE when he has a small chance of bringing it all back, like he just knows internally 'all i need is that one rest'.
Hbox is the most clutch player in melee
Fuck oath
"most clutch" by playing a braindead easy character with slow, overly-defensive super-campy gameplay
lol
@@Gotmilk0112 damn, the salt is real
Marisa Nya what do you and Yul have against HBox lol you 2 are everywhere
Marisa Nya k then if it's Puff use Puff and go win Evo if you can
GOD I'm gonna miss Armada. Armada-Hbox and Armada-PPMD were matchups that pushed the boundaries of what is possible in this game, and easily my two favorites of all time.
LMAO look at Esam in Armada's Camera at 38:31 😱
Its even more amazing when you consider he beat sfat and mew2king, two very different flavors of fox in bo5 sets, to then play 10 games with armada and win everything.
Didn't know that Hbox and Mango have same middle name!
_Manuel_ (meaning "God with us") used to be the one true ultimate smash god.
Due to his unparalleled skill it didn't even seem possible to come anywhere near his level of play.
People would practise for years and still get four-stocked, and while not getting JV5'd was seen as a huge improvement, people ultimately gave up after six years of trying to at least take 1 set off of him.
There also seemed to be a huge disparity in player skill and this heavy gap between them,
along with Manuel's domniance, lead to the competitive scene dying out for good.
Sakurai understood that his first attempt to create a Smash Universe was flawed,
and the balance of power too uneven.
He erased that timeline and began anew,
this time with a much greater focus on weeding out players of casual level,
henceforth strengthening the growth of particularly competitive ones.
He learned from his mistake of forcing a competitive-scene and would
give them a lot more "tough love" this time around.
Putting them into a position where they would HAVE TO *FIGHT* for their game.
And so we did.
However, just as a final safety measure he split the smash-god Manuel in two,
seperating his _unrelenting fiery passion_ from his _intense mental focus_
when each half would then grow into their own individual Smash God,
Sakurai knew he made the right call.
These two halves are now known as Mang0 and Hungrybox.
U Turn good shit, i'd double like if i could
Underrated as heck
U Turn I'm still waiting for the time they team in doubles.
+U Turn This Manuel mained Jigglypuff didn't he...
Evo caliber reset, Evo caliber pop off, this set's gonna be a good one to remember. 10 games of DAMN good melee.
JebaJebaJemeh What are you on about????
@@jamiecal11 wtf mad
After this top 8 I think Vish and Waffles are my new favorite combo. Great commentators
I think Vish is one of those commentators who just has great chemistry with anybody. He always sounds like he's having so much fun.
Same. So damn tired of scar and toph
I think it was pretty bad. A lot of awkward silence and not even commenting on the match.
hbox has the most entertaining popoffs for sure , lol , that tantrum of joy, laughing ,crying and rolling on the ground :D love dat guy, clutch af
that ledge cancel to up air by armada was mint
Just wanna see m2k win again :(
colonelbongwater besides you :3
M2k has never won. Dont know why he is considered a "God"
M2k did dominate for a time, but his reign was shortlived
He's still one of the best players, but rarely wins against Hbox or Armada
midocrimsonfate he's still there among them. 2nd-4th place at least
Myles He doesn't deserve to win.
CLUTCHBOX
Biggest difference in Hungrybox is that he's humble. Surprised when his approaches and decisions are working, and accepting Armada's intelligence or his own faults when they don't.
28:25 As many times as I've seen this set, I never realized how next level that air dodge is... If Hungrybox were prepared, he could have gotten a rest or a grab to whiff punish the up smash.
Only 2 times I've seen Armada look so broken.
1) Loss at EVO 2016
2) This...
That was some Evo 2016 stuff HBox you're a godddddddd
I’m so happy for Hbox this was such a huge moment for him. I would’ve been emotional as fuck too.
Mang0: GOAT
Armada: BOAT
Hungrybox: COAT
Fernando Trujillo U forgot to put M2k: ROBOT
Mango can have his GOAT, but Armada gets a special word made for him, Godliest Of All Time.
Leffen: GLOAT
lukewarmtoast your comment is the true GOAT
Greatest Local Of All Time? LMAFOOO
Last stock Clutchbox is satistfying to see.
Seeing Armada lose any match is satisfying to see.
People give H-BOX too much S###. Fox was camping this whole match. I don't blame him either. Juan en fuego!
Very hyped for Big House
For sure :) , rooting for M2k
Floofie kun tbh I used to hate him cause his style was boring and a little scummy, but recently the meta vs jiggly is playing a scummy, campy fox and hungrybox looks like he's really pushing his character to its outer limits. he's pretty hard to hate now, and I notice I'm starting to cheer for him more often
foxes only camp him because of his campy play style. if it weren't for him doing it first, then other foxes wouldn't need to
ParForThePeople yeah but there isn't really any other way to make puff viable. her air mobility and kill capability make her a perfect camper, and ofc foxes adapted. I'm just glad hbox isn't relying on cheap rest setups as much and is getting more aggresive with reads and combos, makes things exciting
That smile at 38:33 from Hbox. I think he won at that moment. He knew.
I popped off like Hbox did, fuck, this game was amazing! GG to both Hbax and Armada
38:31, that SDI to roll read to rest was INSANE
kudos
Turn it down to .5 speed and you can see brawl...
I was looking back at this fantastic set. It's sick that Melee has gotten better recently when I thought it had already peaked.
Game 10 was hype
It's true, Hbox gets every Fox thrown at him and overcomes them all. Gotta admire that
Armada isn't even that great he loses to a alcoholic Mario kart streamer and a Pokemon player he's washed up
He meant Axe the Picka trainer.
so did you just not get the joke?
Inb4 people take it more than a joke
sense of humor broke
Frost XT dude relax it's not that deep
Can we please give Hungrybox mad props?!? Like, he is really playing Jigglypuff lol. I know jigglypuff isn't a bad character but still. Jigglypuff is SUPER light and can be killed by fox super early. The fact that he makes the shit work is very shocking....even until this day lol
Two questions
1. With lazer game being so strong with Fox against puff, why is the Puff Falco match up considered not worth trying?
2. When Hbox smash DI's every up-air from fox why aren't they trying to just get the second hit? It's not terribly difficult and we see it against other characters like Luigi
Is there less and less people coming to tournaments ? Is melee dying?
This video is harder to find because of the G. finals thing... doesnt come up on google just fyi
I love how Armada blinks perfectly synchronized everytime HB hits him at 7:00
Hungrybox is melee's shining star, he proves that you can be good with your favorite character. Even when everyone said puff is a low tier, even when they called him names and tried to bring him down. Hungrybox is an innovator in melee, broadening the horizons of the entire community. #1 in America, Best Puff in the world, his love of the game really inspires so many, including myself. We love you Hbox, take a break from melee if you need one, but please don't stop playing, we love you so much.
Watching them both physically react to every up throw up air is genuinely hilarious 😂
This is the greatest jigglypuff comeback
why does hbox ledge-camp some sets and not others? I don't understand
he doesn't want to kill the game
Here comes the MONEEEEEEEEEY!
Those two months felt like a friggin' dynasty.
Shine, GTX, Dreamhack, Big House, and Summit, all won in a row. After how EVO/Smashcon went, it seemed like Armada had it in the bag...but lord were we wrong
Love or hate the fact these two have been in what seems like, a shit ton of grand finals adding some boring repetition - it almost always goes down to the wire or has a close game; and 2-3 of them have been some of the wildest closest Melee games you ever saw.
They are a fun pair of competitors to see face off against each other - no matter who won that time.
Happy Hbox makes me feel happy 😭💚
If u look closely through the player cams you can see axe IRL streaming
How come these tournaments seem a lot faster and they hit a lot harder than normal Super Smash Bros melee
38:16 - Hbox thinks to himself how sick it would be to win this game and starts smiling
How many cajas you need to put jaun in it.
How do they play hearing the commentary? I would get so distracted man.
I know right
Watching this set was actually fucking insane. Holy shit.
I think it's so funny. The crowd was cheering for a four stock against HBox in his set vs plup. But this time the croud chants USA.
Why was the stadium so empty? Did sales where bad??
Diego Salazar It's not like Smash Bros is gonna draw enough people to fill up a full NBA stadium.
Diego Salazar I think it's because it's in Utah.
Hbox is the clutch king. It's like he thrives under pressure it's insane
I was convinced it was all over for Hbox when Armada took the 3-1 stock lead in game 10. He racked so much percent on Hbox, but somehow, Clutchbox prevailed. Props to Armada for being a good sportsman though, great interview.
Wild to hear how much the crowd loved hbox this tournament
They can hear the announcers?
Why do they start a match in the beginning and quit right away?
Danny Rodriguez warm up?
@@ArkinesVT makes sense, melee is very fast paced
38:32 armada: Omae u wa no shinderu
Hbox:No u
A:NANI
That 0-death from G2 set 1 (armada's 3 stock) is probably one of the best I've seen
And he did it all without ledge stalls.
This was such a good event, so many good match ups and sets. :)
38:29 listen to the commentators at 0.25x speed
ummmm... thatguy who camps quited yt 4yrs ago but now its bassicaly 2018....hes still alive PROOF
Love you Armada. You're still the GOAT ♥️
😀
when is s2j winning a major i need these answers
next year.
Do they actually have to listen to the commentary while they are playing?
Depends
@@evadekiryu5060 I just don't like the idea of the commentary impacting the outcome of the match.
usually not
He completely deserved that with a 3-stock comeback. Won almost all of the neutrals in that last stock.
Nobody else paying attention to Armada the whole time? He flinched or twitched like every time he got hit.
I thought the warmup was an actual match until Hbox rollout off the edge
I wanted Armada to take it this time but that last stock was so perfect. Congrats HBox.
How big are these tv’s?
Pretty big, I had one TV similar to those and they're ridiculously heavy
The Hbox hate has to stop. The man is fucking sickk
Akhil Manda Duuuude im saying right
Hbox doesn't need to camp to win. This is pretty much the same way he played at Dreamhack in Europe.
u can see armada was ready to jump when he missed that up smash giving hbox an opening to grab then finish a rest what an amazing game
Whole set just like evo lol. Gratz to Hbox!
38:17 hbox was like “I know what I’m about to do to this man”
Armada vs h box set that isn’t evo 2016? I could never
Good shit man. Just good shit from both guys. Took it all the way down to the wire. Amazing!!
The last 2 seconds of this video is Hbox looking up at his dad and thinking "Now I've proved twice that I'm the best ✌️"
I was watching this live and my jaw literally dropped I just stared at my screen for about 3 minutes. Fucking clutchbox strikes again
Hungryyboxs rest was so powerful my videos resolution got messed up 😂
The three stock comeback. FUCKING NUTS. He'll go down as the clutchest ever.
This means Hbox is now the most up on Armada this year.
Damn. With Armada gone I’m gonna miss sets like these.
This might actually be the best set of the year overall, Armada was playing so well, but Hbox just could not be outclutched, absolutely unbelievable.
That last match was very exciting :D
The year is 2017. The Puff-Fox MU is now so abysmal that Hbox has resorted to CPing Yoshi's against Armada. What a world.
Armada tried to camp the hell out of him, so Yoshi's is a very logical pick. Hbox wanted to go in, and he got it.
incredibly hype set
mad props to both players
Does anyone find this aspect of the Melee competitive scene kind of boring: the fact that grand finals at these majors always have the same few players appear? I only enjoy smash 4 more because it is more unpredictable and I like that feeling of anticipation whenever you watch a tournament.
Grant the Dragon Honestly, yeah. It gets worse when there's massive ledge guarding, and you normally never see any mid or low tiers in these sets
What's sadder though is the severe lack of competitive Brawl. And I mean vanilla Brawl, not Project M