auzra he also had a piece of shit dad who never believed in him, people don't realize that he probably sees that in every single person who puts him down or says he sucks or that his play style is boring, hbox just wants to prove to every one who doubts him that he's among the best in the world and he doesn't care if he has to play the villain to become the best, I've been watching his streams and he really doesn't seem like that terrible of a guy. He just wants to play melee and I don't think he really cares how other people see him and that makes people think he's an asshole
Smash did Hungrybox to itself. It constantly shit talked puff so much that no player wants to play her and put up with all that crap, meaning only the most resilient could rise to the top with out quitting or switching mains. Suddenly there's no one decent to practice against when a god of the game (and hbox IS one of the greatest melee players of all time) harnesses a character like hbox does with puff.
@@aoeu256 no it wouldn't the argument that puff kills melee is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. the evo that hbox won was like one of the biggest tourneys and viewership skyrocketed.
He is. Verbatum, "If I ever play ICs, I hope that all the matches go to 8 minutes, to timeout." But nah, his sets are always incredibly quick. You're right. Go watch SnS3 Winners Finals again and time it. lol
Yeah. Because, if you actually listened instead of waiting for what you want to hear, that's because ICIES are the ones stalling HIM. "I'll taunt on SoPo". If you remember, Leffen and Mang0 had their sets go by pretty quickly, and Leffen was playing it right, with a balance of lasers and approaches. It's just when the other player (I.E. Armada) decides to stall the hell out of the game because they don't want to approach that the game takes 30 minutes.
TaismoFanBoy Are you deliberately slow? Against Chu, Hbox was on the ledge for a solid minute against a SoPo. But the IC is stalling by not killing himself or by not approaching Puff on the edge? God, people that defend Hbox's bitch play style might actually have the intelligence of 13 year olds.
RaJuanJohnson I think its more of whats the best way of playing puff and thats what hungrybox does he plays puff right people need to understand that puff isnt an offensive character not to the level of other characters like fox and falco
I cant imagine how frustrating that would be to be a top level player and you're getting rested over and over. That sound cuts deep to your soul each time
I'm not one of those people, but it's not his skill they hate (they recognise how good he is) - people just don't like the character and the way he plays sometimes. I understand it, but sometimes their complaints are stupid.
Enzan Takeshita people are hypocrites, HBox is also tired of all the armchair Reddit professionals so he trolls as much as he can to intentionally piss them off.
I don't understand how people hate his playstyle when every Fox forces him to camp with the smallest lead because all they do is laser camp him until he whiffs a bair and then they'll kill him because he took 60% from lasers
"...every Fox...laser camps him..." You realize that he only gets camped (usually by Armada) when he starts the camping/stalling. Mango, Leffen, Westballz, and just about every other Fox that isn't the campy m2k and Armada will approach Hbox. And that's why Hbox wins. Don't sit there and try to make Hbox the victim of being camped against. lmao
Dkdj11 m2k is a shit player? you should moneymatch him then, i’d like to see such a ‘shit player’ get destroyed. i don’t think i’ve ever seen your name up there either. huh.
Martin, he never said anything about Hbox's skill or being the second best. He simply said that people are correct when they say that he's boring to watch. That's because he is often boring to watch. He's not a "hater," you're just in denial and are a sheep.
enjoyment is subjective. if someone finds hbox enjoyable, he is enjoyable. it doesn't matter if he's enjoyable to you. all you're doing is whining like a baby on the internet.
Hankbob Hillpants So somebody can post a comment about how enjoyable they find hbox, but if somebody simply disagrees in REPLY then they're whining like a baby?
Its funny people say rest is cheap and easy when the reason not many main puff is because its actually hard to learn him well enough to even get close to Hbox.
hbox is so smart. he spent the last year working on his combo game in tournements, and now he's refreshing his rest game. all in preparation of evo 2017. everyone is sleeping on this strategy. he's going to take everyone by surprise. Smartbox is greatbox.
What's even scarier is that Hbox's playstyle goes for tons of trades. Rests can result in stock trades or get you punished to KO% for example, but he also deliberately plays suboptimally in the first half of the set to train his opponents to go for specific punishes... then reads and punishes the same punishes later in the set. If he's 4 stocking or 3-0'ing you, that means he's even further ahead than he appears to be.
@wahhoreocookie Mang0 didn't win a single major in 2018. He's at the lowest point he's been in years. HBox, meanwhile, is ranked #1 in the world right now and has been looking strong. I'm an M2K fan myself, but I'm not sure how you can argue Mang0 being better than HBox these days.
@wahhoreocookie Whether Mang0 has more "knowledge" about the game overall than Hbox is hard to answer, but they both know a lot. And in terms of their direct clashes, Hbox has beaten him at Smash Summit 7, GTX 2018, Big House 8, and Shine 2018. That's almost all of their recent encounters to my knowledge. Mang0 and Hbox from years past might be a different story, but the results speak for themselves. Even considering Armada, Hbox is probably the strongest contender for #1 of 2018 while Mang0 is unfortunately in a slump. Sandbagging doesn't excuse that, nor does it appear to be happening at majors.
@wahhoreocookie What are you smoking dude? Hbox number 1 at the end of 2017 AND 2018. By far the best player in the world atm. All youre saying is "lol mango doesn't try and he has more game knowledge" like cmon dude. Your boy mango got bodied by hbox for 2 years straight and youre still fanboying??
@wahhoreocookie Now thats just flat out not true. Hbox has been positive against mango in sets for 2018/2017/2016 and even in 2015. SOURCE liquipedia.net/smash/Five_Gods/God_Statistics/Hungrybox#Versus_Mango And for the record, I'm not an hbox fanboy. I'm just telling it how it is. Youre the one fanboying by making up statistics and getting defensive when someone criticizes your dear precious mango
honestly, if leffen were to have gotten 4 stocked with that rest in that last clip, that wouldve been a 50 second match between a now no 1 and really the only other contender for no 1 right now. Imagine what leffens career wouldve been. He would be known the same way silentwolf is known these days, the guy that just got completely 4 stocked like crazy, and did it in a minute. I LOVE YOU HUNGRYBOX
Picked up SSBU very recently and found puff a pretty damn OP character. If you’re even mildly good at rest setups then your opponent basically asks for 4-stocks
Fox is the best counterpick against puff. That's why a lot of top players have a pocket fox just to counter hbox. If you actually take a look at the mains of the top 10 players in melee , there are only like a couple solo fox mains (leffen, sfat). When people say that melee players only play fox, it just isn't true. Like a Pikachu main won the last summit and before that, a captain falcon main won smash N splash. Actually, I don't think a fox won a supermajor at all so far this year.
@@pineappleotai7240 In top 25 there are 9 solo-Fox mains - and another 2 or 3 that are so close to being solo-Fox mains you might as well count them. The next Jigglypuff other than Hungrybox is #44. There are like four characters represented by more than one top player. In every other Smash game this is just untrue. Melee is the least diverse, most monotonous high-level Smash game ever made. I don't understand the appeal.
If anyone knows, have any of the Five Gods never been 4-stocked by anyone in a tournament setting? For obvious reasons from this video alone, Mew2King and Mango are off that list, but what about HBox, PPMD or Armada? Edit: Although considering Mew2King gave up those last lives of his, I'm not sure that counts...
Mango: played puff
Becomes a legend
Hbox: plays puff but more awesome
Gets shat on for playing optimally(which all those 20xx fanboys pretend to want)
This is so true it hurts
Ahh yes
i never want to play optimally, i just wanna style on people
Oh no 20xx players are using their brains
auzra he also had a piece of shit dad who never believed in him, people don't realize that he probably sees that in every single person who puts him down or says he sucks or that his play style is boring, hbox just wants to prove to every one who doubts him that he's among the best in the world and he doesn't care if he has to play the villain to become the best, I've been watching his streams and he really doesn't seem like that terrible of a guy. He just wants to play melee and I don't think he really cares how other people see him and that makes people think he's an asshole
Smash did Hungrybox to itself. It constantly shit talked puff so much that no player wants to play her and put up with all that crap, meaning only the most resilient could rise to the top with out quitting or switching mains. Suddenly there's no one decent to practice against when a god of the game (and hbox IS one of the greatest melee players of all time) harnesses a character like hbox does with puff.
@Saikou210 Number1 "Currently hbox is ranked #1 *atm* " Isn't this pleonasm?
If mango had stayed puff (which means puff vs puff grand finals which need to be 2 stock), melee would probably be a dead game...
@@aoeu256 no it wouldn't the argument that puff kills melee is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. the evo that hbox won was like one of the biggest tourneys and viewership skyrocketed.
@@2036za you can't talk sense to someone's that brain dead with "pink thing bad box bad" disease. Don't worry, everyone else knows HB is the goat
Melee tournament drinking game: Take a shot for every Fox main.
Might as well show up drunk.
Haven't even started and I'm already drunk
Ew Fox mains
I'm Dead.
I think human can die for a overdose
5:17 that’s is literally unreal Hbox read him like a kid’s book
OOOH that was sweet
Koko Chanell ikr
he killed that man right there
the classic hbox triple spot-dodge, legendary
I can't stop clicking this timestamp.
"This might actually be one of the quickest grand finals"
And people say HBox is the reason grand finals go to 30 minutes every tournament nowadays.
He is. Verbatum, "If I ever play ICs, I hope that all the matches go to 8 minutes, to timeout." But nah, his sets are always incredibly quick. You're right. Go watch SnS3 Winners Finals again and time it. lol
Yeah. Because, if you actually listened instead of waiting for what you want to hear, that's because ICIES are the ones stalling HIM. "I'll taunt on SoPo".
If you remember, Leffen and Mang0 had their sets go by pretty quickly, and Leffen was playing it right, with a balance of lasers and approaches. It's just when the other player (I.E. Armada) decides to stall the hell out of the game because they don't want to approach that the game takes 30 minutes.
TaismoFanBoy Are you deliberately slow? Against Chu, Hbox was on the ledge for a solid minute against a SoPo. But the IC is stalling by not killing himself or by not approaching Puff on the edge? God, people that defend Hbox's bitch play style might actually have the intelligence of 13 year olds.
RaJuanJohnson I think its more of whats the best way of playing puff and thats what hungrybox does he plays puff right
people need to understand that puff isnt an offensive character not to the level of other characters like fox and falco
RaJuanJohnson If you actually look at all the time outs Chu was in all of them you hypocrite.
I cant imagine how frustrating that would be to be a top level player and you're getting rested over and over. That sound cuts deep to your soul each time
Yeah but they're getting read too easily
They let him set it up tho it’s not like he just press b and wins
KREEEEE
Some say Armada still sees a sleeping puff in his nightmares
That's why top melee players hate Hungrybox. When Fox mains go to sleep, they're looking under their bed for Hungrypuff.
Still gets on my nerves that a player as amazing as Hbox gets so much shit
I'm not one of those people, but it's not his skill they hate (they recognise how good he is) - people just don't like the character and the way he plays sometimes. I understand it, but sometimes their complaints are stupid.
Enzan Takeshita people are hypocrites, HBox is also tired of all the armchair Reddit professionals so he trolls as much as he can to intentionally piss them off.
I don't understand how people hate his playstyle when every Fox forces him to camp with the smallest lead because all they do is laser camp him until he whiffs a bair and then they'll kill him because he took 60% from lasers
It's not just the playstyle that they hate
"...every Fox...laser camps him..." You realize that he only gets camped (usually by Armada) when he starts the camping/stalling. Mango, Leffen, Westballz, and just about every other Fox that isn't the campy m2k and Armada will approach Hbox. And that's why Hbox wins. Don't sit there and try to make Hbox the victim of being camped against. lmao
Say what you want about the guy but you can't deny he's an incredible player, double m2k 4 stocks come on now
Xteve _ m2k gets frustrated and will forfeit wayyy more often than other top players, it seems
Xteve _ m2& is a shit player so that’s not really saying much
Dkdj11 Hello leffin
Dkdj11 m2k is a shit player? you should moneymatch him then, i’d like to see such a ‘shit player’ get destroyed. i don’t think i’ve ever seen your name up there either. huh.
M2k someone who has been the top player in melee and brawl at the same time is shit ok
As we learned from both Borp and HBox, spot dodge > spot dodge > spot dodge > grab is a true combo.
Say what you want about HBox but that Ness 4 stock will always be hype
Fox: falling
Ness: *zap*
that was a violation
Why is jiggz stock icons Kirby in the second match?
That a glitch i can't tell you how its performed but basically you have the kirby icon instead of the character you play as
supersmashbros.wikia.com/wiki/Stock_glitch
MrBulbmin10 thanks yo!
I’ve also seen Yoshi on Falco
@@WaffleCoYT I call her mostly Jiggz, but sometimes Puff.
the leffen one was a 4 stock imo bc puff hadn't died yet when he quit
agree
It was a jv4
Didn’t notice that at first but you were right. An honest 4 stock
Hey... the Last one IS an actual 4-stock...
*HungryBox didn't technically die*
0:57
Did you guys noticed that Jigglypuff has Kirby stock icons?
N64Hacking1.2 supersmashbros.wikia.com/wiki/Stock_glitch
Remember when he four stocked the PIZZA GUY????
if this real i need to see this haha
He 4 stocked his pizza lmao
Technically HBox still got the four-stock in the last clip ;)
I mean not technically but we hear ya!
@@bradytylenol7155 he technically got a 4 stock but he didn't really get a 4 stock.
@@alex8480 schrodinger’s four stock
The embodiment of yes but actually no
all that matters is the number of little pictures next to the percent ;)
When people say Hbox play style is boring
fuckwad Your just a hater srry he's 2nd best melee player in the world
Martin, he never said anything about Hbox's skill or being the second best. He simply said that people are correct when they say that he's boring to watch. That's because he is often boring to watch. He's not a "hater," you're just in denial and are a sheep.
Who cares how people play
enjoyment is subjective. if someone finds hbox enjoyable, he is enjoyable. it doesn't matter if he's enjoyable to you. all you're doing is whining like a baby on the internet.
Hankbob Hillpants So somebody can post a comment about how enjoyable they find hbox, but if somebody simply disagrees in REPLY then they're whining like a baby?
5:17 one of the most savage stocks ever
THIS IS A LIFESTYLE!
Its funny people say rest is cheap and easy when the reason not many main puff is because its actually hard to learn him well enough to even get close to Hbox.
@Krystof Perkey stop assuming puff's gender or im bringing you both to jail
@@TheBeggies95 You're right, Jigglypuff having a 3:1 female gender ratio doesn't mean it's female, nor it does mean that it's male.
Why can't people just say "it" when referring to Pokémon? I only call Pokémon "he" or "she" if I'm playing a game where their sex is displayed ingame.
@@mparagames puff is feminine that's enough to say it's a female
@@savatarx99 Well, but 25% of the puff population is male.
HBox needs to chill maybe take a REST
Stop
GreninjaGaming 0405 HAHAHA
i c what you did there
Then the REST is history, REST assured the puns are done. GG
8:08 “ay! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey”
“destrucTTTIENNNNNNNN”
1:45 why is the stock icon for puff kirby’s?
"this stage is bad for puff, you number 2 in the world... I don't think it matters"
commentator got owned.
He is #1 now.
But they weren't saying anything bad.
he was complimenting him what
lol he still did technically 4 stock leffen come on
nothing like a Mr.pickle upload.
hbox is so smart. he spent the last year working on his combo game in tournements, and now he's refreshing his rest game. all in preparation of evo 2017. everyone is sleeping on this strategy. he's going to take everyone by surprise. Smartbox is greatbox.
he shall take another EVO
The Sobman I hope he takes another Evo, heaven knows he deserves it.
hbox 4stocking mang0 is all i needed to see
What's even scarier is that Hbox's playstyle goes for tons of trades. Rests can result in stock trades or get you punished to KO% for example, but he also deliberately plays suboptimally in the first half of the set to train his opponents to go for specific punishes... then reads and punishes the same punishes later in the set.
If he's 4 stocking or 3-0'ing you, that means he's even further ahead than he appears to be.
There's a reason this dude was and still is so dominant. The melee community will never give him enough credit
@@NVRSE500 he's won the most majors of any Melee competitor, and IMO is the player who warped the metagame around himself the most.
@@B463L he look a lower mid tier to top tier on sheer dominance alone, nuf said
hbox is actually so fkn good
5:17 is the most disrespectful sequence of events I have ever seen in smash
Brings a tear 😭 to my eyes to see jiggly puff unleashed as top tier
Bro, puff his top tier ultimate rn
Why is no one talking that hbox got a glitch stock icon with kirby as Jigglypuff?
So you can't grab the ledge if someone is already on it (in Melee), is that correct?
Soviet Loli yes, ledge trump isn’t a thing.
Yes
I love it when HBox four stocks mango :)
@wahhoreocookie How is Mang0 better than HBox? In his early years maybe, but definitely not anymore.
@wahhoreocookie Mang0 didn't win a single major in 2018. He's at the lowest point he's been in years. HBox, meanwhile, is ranked #1 in the world right now and has been looking strong.
I'm an M2K fan myself, but I'm not sure how you can argue Mang0 being better than HBox these days.
@wahhoreocookie Whether Mang0 has more "knowledge" about the game overall than Hbox is hard to answer, but they both know a lot. And in terms of their direct clashes, Hbox has beaten him at Smash Summit 7, GTX 2018, Big House 8, and Shine 2018. That's almost all of their recent encounters to my knowledge.
Mang0 and Hbox from years past might be a different story, but the results speak for themselves. Even considering Armada, Hbox is probably the strongest contender for #1 of 2018 while Mang0 is unfortunately in a slump. Sandbagging doesn't excuse that, nor does it appear to be happening at majors.
@wahhoreocookie What are you smoking dude? Hbox number 1 at the end of 2017 AND 2018. By far the best player in the world atm. All youre saying is "lol mango doesn't try and he has more game knowledge" like cmon dude. Your boy mango got bodied by hbox for 2 years straight and youre still fanboying??
@wahhoreocookie Now thats just flat out not true. Hbox has been positive against mango in sets for 2018/2017/2016 and even in 2015. SOURCE liquipedia.net/smash/Five_Gods/God_Statistics/Hungrybox#Versus_Mango
And for the record, I'm not an hbox fanboy. I'm just telling it how it is. Youre the one fanboying by making up statistics and getting defensive when someone criticizes your dear precious mango
At 0:58 why is there a white kirby stock icon?
1:40 why is the stock icon Kirby and not Puff
honestly, if leffen were to have gotten 4 stocked with that rest in that last clip, that wouldve been a 50 second match between a now no 1 and really the only other contender for no 1 right now. Imagine what leffens career wouldve been. He would be known the same way silentwolf is known these days, the guy that just got completely 4 stocked like crazy, and did it in a minute. I LOVE YOU HUNGRYBOX
Dude that last stock Hbox did as Ness was complete DESTRUCTION
Im boutta leave for work... after I watch this video.
I watch smash videos at work dog I can't be stopped
The "..." says it all.
that juan on juan joke make me LOL
Me *Sees This Video Title*
Me -Watches the video*
Me *Proceeds to main Jigglypuff*
Picked up SSBU very recently and found puff a pretty damn OP character. If you’re even mildly good at rest setups then your opponent basically asks for 4-stocks
@@asvenson5267 probably casually but puff is mid tier in the tier lists its nothing compared to how good puff is in melee
The funny thing is HBox plays wayyy more hype than he needs to. He could play like Mew2King plays Puff but he very rarely goes there.
1:06 why is there a Kirby stock image for jigglypuff?
6:07 Look at hungrybox's face. He looks at mew2king's controller to see where he's going to DI after the throw.
I don't see him move at all what are you talking about
00:00 - 8:56 Look at Hungrybox's face; He's clearly cheating because he's outclassing every opponent by reading them like books
2:15 why is kirby in the stock count?
1:08, anybody notice how the stocks are shown as kirby instead of puff 🤔
1:38 why was the stock image kirby?
1:28 Why do the stocks on the left look like Kirby?
1:50 Why does it show Kirby instead of Puff on stock?
1:29 why does puff have the Kirby stock icon
This is definitely amazing content, and what do you do for the transitions? Is it a custom made one or one from a preset
it's a premiere pro preset
That last play was still technically a 4 stock, jigglypuff was still in the star KO animation meaning Hungrybox still had the stock
1:55 wait why is jiggly's icon a kirby icon????
Hungrybox TECHNICALLY 4 stocked leffen because hungrybox flew in the background. And he never died and had his stock taken
0:57 Is that a glitch? Why Jigglypuff's stock icon is Kirby's?
Not a glitch, hbox is just the worlds best Kirby main
s
@@CaptainShenanigans42 s
What was hax doing in his match against hbox? He wasn’t mixing up his neutral at all and was just shielding and nairing
1:02 Why is Jiglypuff’s stock icons similar to Gray Kirby....
A glitch? A mod?
Revolution 14 It’s a little glitch you can do
*best DI destruction ever 8:14
1:32 why does Jigglypuff have Kirby's icon?
2:00 why did he have kirby stock icons?
Leffen's face in the last clip says it all...
Ah came looking for the hax$ set. "Spot dodge spot dodge *spot dodge* grab regrab rest"...simply a masterpiece.
1:12 anyone else notice the character stock symbol is for Kirby and not puff?
0:57 why does jigglypuffs stocks white Kirby?
Why did the match at the beginning of the video with mango have kirby as the stock icon for puff?
They were all against fox so it shows how diverse the cast was in melee
Fox is the best counterpick against puff. That's why a lot of top players have a pocket fox just to counter hbox. If you actually take a look at the mains of the top 10 players in melee , there are only like a couple solo fox mains (leffen, sfat). When people say that melee players only play fox, it just isn't true. Like a Pikachu main won the last summit and before that, a captain falcon main won smash N splash. Actually, I don't think a fox won a supermajor at all so far this year.
@@pineappleotai7240 In top 25 there are 9 solo-Fox mains - and another 2 or 3 that are so close to being solo-Fox mains you might as well count them. The next Jigglypuff other than Hungrybox is #44. There are like four characters represented by more than one top player.
In every other Smash game this is just untrue. Melee is the least diverse, most monotonous high-level Smash game ever made. I don't understand the appeal.
@@verde7595 brawl and sm4sh:
@@verde7595 mk and bayo:
4:41 excuse me what about poke floats
Why in the second match did the jigglypuff have kirbys stock icon
1:08 why are the stocks kirbys
El Nikzuki its a stock glitch
who are the commentators for the first hungrybox, mango match
0:58 thats kirby for the stocks not puff
why were his stock icons kirby instead of puff during the 2nd game?
Did anyone else notice the stock icons were off in the second clip? they were white Kirby instead of puff.
The second game they show, why are hungrybox's stock icons kirby instead of puff?
5:17, wow
God, second game the puff looks naked without his bandana
Wow, imagine checking out the crowd reactions the whole video and then seeing yourself lmao
What's the theme at the end of this video, I know it's in melted but I forget
Why are the Kirby icons on for jigglypuff when hbox fights mango on fountain of dreams
Why does it show Kirby for stock icon
Why is the jigglypuff stock icon Kirby?
Nobody:
Puff: *Up throw into rest at 0% KO*
Yeah that doesn’t KO that early
what was that music at the end
sick haircut on the first clip hbox damn
Why is the Hbox v Mango showing kirby for Hboxs stocks?
Why did puff have Kirby stock icons?
So how does puff rest work? New melee player here, I had this mad idea to buy myself a gamecube thanks to this man.
umm in the second game, jigg's stock icons are kirby's
Mew2king looks like the Sith lord
Does anyone see the Kirby stock when there's only a Jiggs and Fox 1:28
Why does hbox have Kirby stocks in the second game?
I just noticed that jigglypuffs stock picture looks like kirby
Not proud if it but that Juan on Juan joke killed me
If anyone knows, have any of the Five Gods never been 4-stocked by anyone in a tournament setting? For obvious reasons from this video alone, Mew2King and Mango are off that list, but what about HBox, PPMD or Armada?
Edit: Although considering Mew2King gave up those last lives of his, I'm not sure that counts...
Outro song?
I need to know that outro song
Not sure if you still need it but the song is called target's. There's a melee and ultimate version but I think they are pretty much the same
2:50 Hungrybox playing without Puff give me triggers,please stop
that ness gameplay was fire
dont say hbox doesnt make you wanna main puff
@wahhoreocookie What would you say is the non lamee way to play puff then?
@wahhoreocookie You mean ledge guarding?
SquidLancer singing to your non friends/ enemies is pretty gay. Other than that your in the clear