39 Knives going away Big deal or business as usual
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- Опубликовано: 18 фев 2023
- The elimination of 39 models of Victorinox Swiss Army Knives has caused quite a bit of stir within the knife community. But is it really a bid deal or just business as usual? And is this necessarily a bad thing for either the typical consumer or the collector?
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You are the only channel that showed a list of all the discontinued SAKs, thank you for such a comprehensive video.
Thanks. I'm glad you found it helpful. My main reason for doing the video was because so many youtubers were more interested in being first than actually providing the information. I was bouncing everywhere trying to find youtube channel with the list only to find out it wasn't on your tube. It wasn't until after checking other places and finding other sources to verify the the lists I was finding did I decide to do a video. It may have shown up on you tube in other places since this video and if so, I pleased that it has happened regardless of where the content creator found it. What I probably need to do is revisit this and verify if there were more products discontinued as well as talk about the new knives that have appeared. For example The Companion, for one and the Evoke; which is essentially Alox Hunter Pro with an added thumbstud.
Tobias, I liked your rambling on the discontinued Victoranoxs. I've been looking for a setup of items I wanted but didn't know the model name till now. I now know its the camper. So I found one in black and ordered one. Atleast I was able to find one before they were gone totally. Thank you Brother Tobias!
Was good to hear a meow in the background, brought back good memories! Have a good remainder of your Sunday and a good week to come!
Down sizing to just the biggest sellers to max profit margins most likely the only thing going on, I hope anyway…My favorite knife brand by far.
I’m not sure if it is so much to maximize profit as it is eliminating internal competition.
Plus I’ve seen the 111mm and 130mm models contracting for a long time.
Thanks for the heads up been looking at the Walker for a while now so glad I saw this video so I could order one. SMKW was out of stock so I ordered from Chicago Knife Works
I just hope Victorinox keeps making great knives at a good price and doesn't eventually go to crap like it seems everything else has these days. They're one of the few quality companies I can think of these days. If they need to cut, these models seem like pretty solid choices. Really enjoy your channel BTW
I commented about this on a video of yours a few weeks ago. It’s interesting to hear the full break down and explanation of some of the redundancies with different models. I didn’t know this was planned for years. I was never really under the impression that victorinox was struggling but that these models are just very similar to others and if there not selling well and have odd sizes, than it’s just bogging down production or creating dead storage of products that don’t leave the shelf. I sort of hope this gives them the opportunity to make some new models that are unlike any of the others. It’s sad to see some of them go but also completely understandable why they would discontinue them. Great video!
I wanted 58mm Manager with pen and without LED light. There was possibility to choose to carry tweezers or toothpick. Toothpick is very important for me. But now the Manager has gone away...
Now, if I want small knife with bottle opener and pen, I must purchase most expensive knife with LED light and without toothpick. 😢
20:30 thanks a lot for making this clear. I was looking for a ranger today & it was out of stock everywhere. I was quite upset when I saw that victorinox is discontinuing ranger. Now I'm relieved that it's only the logo they are getting rid of.
Sorry to see the Walker go. I have one in a pocket survival kit. Just keep the Compact. And while they are at it, give ALL knives with package hooks the hook from the Compact, with the nail file.
I really liked your take on this whole issue! Thank you for chiming in!
I wonder if Victorinox is thinking about retooling the Delemont factory for new designs and if this is why so many Delemont knives are going away. I can almost understand why the 74mm knives are going away. I discovered the Alox Clip was the Money Clip knife. Even that 74mm knife doesn't sell well.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias They are very costly too. In Canada you get a classic for 25 - 30$ while the Money clip is like 60$ I think it is worth it but it's more a luxurious toy than a tool.
Thank you for the update Sir.
Really useful. Thanks. I actually just ordered an Edelweiss classic 😅
The scales on that one are beautiful 👍
All good decisions as far as I'm concerned. All knives mentioned here are pretty much insignificant models. If they were selling well, they'd still make them. When I saw the title of your video, I started to worry, but all the good ones are still in production. Thanks for sharing!
I agree with you. Even when it comes to the Camper and Ranger with a "Camper" stamped on the knife. They didn't dump the knife, just the hot stamping of the handle. This just means the "collectors'" are going to go nuts looking for older models. Users are not really going to care.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias I actually thought they quit stamping the "camping" logo years ago. I haven't seen a new, in-stock camper or ranger with it for a long time.
Thanks for all that info Tobias
The Walker and the Cybertool are the only two that really seem unfortunate. If only they would bring back the Walker with an awl/reamer that would be an awesome little camping knife.
I guess the Walker just doesn't sell. It's a pity. An awl would be a nice touch, especially if it took the place of the combo tool.
This was great info! I think it's a smart move on their part. Shame to see so many neat knives going away, but I think it's a good idea to focus on what the consumers seem to want the most. Cheers, buddy!
I prefer the Executive over the Classic SD because it allows a four finger grip. Although, I broke the scissors on mine cutting off a hang nail because of a weakness in the scissor design. I choose not to use the Victorinox warranty because after paying $5 plus shipping plus insurance it cost about the same as buying another used one off of eBay for $10. Now I have two Executive knives.
I'm not sure how the scissors broke but if it was just the spring, that is a fairly easy (an inexpensive fix) But I'm not sure if it beats just getting another one for $10 on eBay.
Tobias, I am surprised the small tinker is going away it one of my favorites. I am surprised the two handed 111mm knives since European knife laws says no to two handed knives.
I wonder if some of these are going away in the US but not in Europe?
Glad I picked up some nailclip models. Nice to have them. Too bad they don't sell.
Same here! I like mine even more now that I learned how to open them easily!
I was undecided between the Walker and the Hiker, but when I heard the walker was being discontinued I picked them both up. The Hiker lives in my pocket and the Walker stays on the shelf. I have a hard time wanting to daily carry a knife I cant replace easily, but I wanted to get the walker anyways because its the smallest SAK with a woodsaw. Will more than likely hunt down another walker so I dont feel so bad about taking it fishing. I hope maybe Victorinox will bring back a few 74mm models, never picked one up and now they're hard to find.
Most sad to see the Signature, Ambassador, and Walker go. Very useful and efficient knives in their categories.
I think the Miniclip alox could be the 75mm money clip model. The nail clipper has the Wenger scissors. There's also a version that is only a nail clipper with scales and Vic also make only the nail clipper.
To whom this may concern,
Put removable pocket clips on everything including, the micros. Please.
Interesting! Smart move on their part. Also until watching this video I didn’t know that Victorinox had bought Wenger. Only have two and one was a gift, I haven’t really followed the companies. Looked up to see when this happened and wow, can’t believe it’s been this many years! 😆
And if you look on the secondary market you will see that lightly used Wenger knives are still quite reasonably priced. It's funny that some of the just discontinued models are going at 2 or 3 times the list price. In a year slightly used one will be selling at a much more reasonable price. Collectors are a strange breed. As soon as the knife is no longer made it becomes the knife they always wanted! LOL
Looking at the reasons I’m starting sub collections I definitely can see where I’m a little nuts! Also in naming blades LOL but hey many had names in the Tolkien books! 😅 Btw also interesting to me was that in looking up more info on some of your knives shown I discovered the Victorinox Felco line of pruners! I didn’t realize there are Swiss Army hawkbills and they look really cool! Think I need to have one. Or two! Lol
Thanks Tobias great video like that info !!!
Glad I could help
They seem to have too many models, but I doubt many people agree on which ones they should keep. I could not find what I wanted, the Manager would have been fairly close but... discontinued.
Is the Ranger Grip 79 staying?
The perfect multi tool is a Swiss Tool Spirit Mx Clip with SOG compound leverage gears and plier head, but it doesn't exist.
you opened the nail clipper in a wrong manner - there is a plastic lever opposite the clipper which you must press away from the clipper to "POP-UP" the clipper which will return to it's initial position after you push the clipper back in it's slot!
Yep. I think I did a follow up video on this. I actually figured it out shortly after doing this video. I have had those clippers for years and found it out by accident. Thanks for pointing it out to me.
I agree, this will hit collectors more than the market. Hopefully dropping those models will give them the bandwidth to offer some new models.
The Swisstool Spirit Nr.3.0227.L the one with the serated butter blade, it's going to it's no longer available. I carry this multitool because of the knife restrictions in my country, and because it is a great multitool. That's a shame they no longer make it, because the price was lower then the other spirit models to. But I guess people didn't like the butter blade, and it may be because in their countries the law is not so restrictive. I guess my country and England, have the most stupid knife restrictions out there. 🤦🏼♂️
I think the Miniclip Alox is the Money Clip Alox.
I think you are right, it's "much ado about nothing". They are maximizing production of their best sellers. If Victorinox is like every other company on earth, in that supply chain issues are limiting production, they are maximizing profits with limited resources.
The "Miniclip Alox" on your list is most likely the "Moneyclip Alox" model, i believe.
Farmer alox is a good alternative for the walker.
Very true. In a simila vein, you could also grab Camper or Hiker but both of those are wider than the farmer
Think it's the money clip alox maybe a spelling error on the list, I have one from Amazon UK got it last week.
It looks like after this big purge Victorinox will only have about 150-175 models in the catalog. Interesting enough, many of the models listed are still readily available at list price. PS. The Walker is almost identical to the "My First Victorinox Knife" except the blade tip is rounded to prevent accidental stabbing. Imma getting one of them.
Scary thing is just about every 85mm knife out there has been using the Evo Scales or Evo-grip scales So are they going back to traditional scales. or are they moving entirely to "Evo Grip" These are the questions that actually bother me so.
Also, I think the "Mini-Clip Alox Executive" refers to the Victorinox Money Clip.
I've also thought about getting a "My 1st Victorinox" or the similar Evolution Junior 9. The greatest disadvantage I see with the rounded blade tip is trying to gut a fish. It's easy to insert a pointed blade in the anus and slice open going forward, not so easy with a rounded tip.
thanks man.
Glad you liked it! Thanks for dropping by.
For a guy like you Hobie or Mark Coffman who’s really into the type and styles it is a big deal but to the casual collector like me with twenty of them it doesn’t amount to a hill of beans as my grandmother used to say
I love them but I won’t miss the ones I don’t have
As usual thanks for another half hour of fine information and entertainment
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I got the Ranger Grip 78 and DO NOT LIKE the 130mm
like all the carry overs from Wenger I just don't like them
I have the Sentinel but it always felt & sounded cheap
but I've used it for many years
I'll really miss the Walker, was wanting to get another to put in a kit
never liked the the Classic SD, prefer the pointy version
That's not how you open a nail clip!! Use the textured black plastic pusher
That's the business model victorinox have always followed stop production of models that aren't popular
Some they shouldn't have like the mini champ and the tinker small. Walker ect. But some should go.
I hope it wasn't the one w/chainsaw.
They kept that one.
The walker is a most excellent knife, so sad, I needed some for gifts.
Hopefully it will find its way back in the future. I also really like that one.
The entire Wenger/ evolution line. That is sad as they brought them out just to discontinue them
Wenger was going bankrupt when Victorinox acquired them. the knife line. I don't think Victorinox has actually closed the Delemont factory. So We'll see what happens.
Some of the models are no big deal. A couple im bummed about. And some i was angry at first but i actually think they will release something similar but better!
It's a shame that so many models are disappearing. The large selection of models is one (not the only) special feature of Victorinox. A lot is understandable, but I'm really surprised that the 58mm ballpoint pen scales and 84mm models like the Tinker small are disappearing. It's hard to believe they're selling too badly
I don't think sales are the only factor but yeah the Small Tinker going away is a shame.
for me the knives in question they re too expansive for an popular knives and you have a lot of multitool at low cost with better function mar affordable this is the reason for the disparition of this bunch of knives
Very possible. The competition is really stiff these days. I'm hoping to get ahold of 2023 catalog in the near future to see just what is left. I have a feeling there are way more than 39 models still being produced!
The version of the nail clipper knife you have is the so-called TSA compliant model. Wenger also made the bladed model.
The black plastic with ridges above the clippers is used to open them if you push up on the plastic it pushes the clippers
out of the scales. I don’t believe Victorinox has put out any 85mm Delemont knives with the normal flat scales under
the Victorinox name. I also think they are saying the Evogrip models are on the chopping block in 2024.
That's also the way I understand it... All 85mm will be discontinued in December 2023.
My impression was the 85mm with evo scales are going away. If they dump all the 85 mm models then they just as well close the Delemont factory.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias As I said I don’t believe Victorinox makes any 85mm knives without the evo scales ?
If I am wrong please correct me and name a current 85mm model without the evo scales ?
I personally don’t take to the evo scales because they don’t fit my large hands. That is why I
am sad that so many of the 84mm knives are being discontinued.
@@hitchpost5822 They were making them with Evo Scales but as of this year they will no longer use the evo scales. I think I misunderstood you. I thought you said they stopped 85 mm production, entirely. They have definitely been phasing out the evo scales in the last 10 years. I think they were using up existing stocks of evo scales and have finally ran out!
I think in this day and age ,the swiss army knife is basically an outdated tool ? It is with laws as they are more and more difficult to carry them in most countries. I would imagine the lock knives sales are very limited, and the huge ludicrous models cost ridiculous money ,so although an old school owner of many in the past ,I, for one, won't miss them when they are gone !
At the end of the day, a Spartan is all your basics covered , and I'm not to bothered if that goes either really .
The problem with SAKs is that they all look the same. No one will know that 39 went away.
SAK, so many choices I am glad that they are narrowing the number, it has to be really hard to collect all the patterns for those that collect SAK
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Not a problem for me because i m not an victorinox user ! i prefer the thiers or pradel "multilames" old and used i agree this is a them thing but not the them quality! but they have an history patina
I’m in the minority here, but I can’t stand a SAK. But I hope you SAK nuts can still get the ones you want.
We forgive you.
What brand of pocket knife do you prefer? (I'm not too familiar with other brands).
@@fishjj76 I like a 3.5-4” single-blade with a curvy handle, like the Rough Ryder bow trapper. That’s prob my favorite brand. I do like my Wright & Sons lambs foot, too. Shoot, anything traditional, not expensive, well-made. Got hand issues, so no fiddly little blades that are hard to open.
No great loss. Victorinox very over hyped...
I'm not trying to be confrontational by asking this question, but what brand(s) of pocket knife do you prefer? I'm not too familiar with other brands.
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HI Tobias, great video! I really appreciate your take on this and your clarifications on the models being discontinued. I have a camper with the camping logo.. so more collectible I guess.. :) Check your email.. I sent you a message there.. ATB..